Two different friends of mine lost absolutely huge amounts of their inventory (and all their client settings), when they uninstalled the 2.0 viewer.
Unless you have to, I recommend not uninstalling it if you have in fact installed it on your computer. They were both on windows so I'm not sure it applies to the Mac version, but be warned!
]]>Sonja, is in my experience an exceedingly fair and honest person and I'm sure she wouldn't dream of putting up advertisements for the Arosa sim project unless there were already advertisements for similar things (which there are not as far as I know). Aliasi was instrumental in "saving" the Anzere hub when it was left to degenerate for a long period of time and several CDS members pitched in and helped with the building from what I heard.
What I was suggesting is that a similar period of "decline" or inactivity has passed and perhaps we should think of a redesign and sprucing it up sort of speak. I would volunteer my building services as I said. I realise however that this is something that might have to be done by committee and discussed for a long period of time first.]]>
FernLeissa wrote:Fern announced that she had found a librarian willing to teach a class in bookmaking. The time and day for the class was tentatively set at 3 pm slt on a Wednesday in April. Fern will get back to the Daisyblue Hefferman in order to establish a definite date/ time. The class will be on ThinC books. Once the class time has been set it will be announced through the Al Qantara Library Group and also as a C.D.S. Forum posting. It will be open to anyone.
Thank you for this initiative. I am really interested to take this course, because I want to develop a bit the Library of the Monastery. I just hope it will not be too for European people. 3 pm is the latest time I could attend during the week.]]>
Present: Lilith Ivory, Andreu Donat and Fern Leissa
Lilith presented two different frames to consider for framing Andreu’s Al-Idrisi map that is to be placed in El Partel Plaza. The group selected Lilith’s second brown and white calligraphy tile frame and Lilith will make adjustments to make sure the frame does not cover the text at the bottom of the image. Lilith will try to have the map and frame ready by the next Library meeting.
Lilith is also considering using the same frame texture on the Library’s Events Board. Fern will check with Rose to see whether she has talked to Satir about the events board and whether or not Rose has a template for the board that Rose wants to give to Lilith to development of a new board.
Andreu is writing the note card that will be added to the map contents.
There was a brief discussion on copyright permissions in terms of copying textures. This is an issue that Lilith also has to deal with in rl, so she was drafted to serve as expert, when any questions come up about material the library creates.
Fern will check with Rose for more details about the storytelling event before Fern posts an announcement to the Alexandrian Library’s newsletter.
Fern announced that she had found a librarian willing to teach a class in bookmaking. The time and day for the class was tentatively set at 3 pm slt on a Wednesday in April. Fern will get back to the Daisyblue Hefferman in order to establish a definite date/ time. The class will be on ThinC books. Once the class time has been set it will be announced through the Al Qantara Library Group and also as a C.D.S. Forum posting. It will be open to anyone.
There was some discussion about finding more residents to contribute links to the library. Andreu suggested that we might have better luck making contacts with people who would be able to contribute, if we first hosted some programs or conferences that would introduce them to the Library. Andreu also suggested that it would be a good idea to first create more books for the library before hosting conferences. Perhaps then we could have a inauguration.
The next Library meeting will be held, March 23, 2010 at two different times; 5:30 am slt and 10 am slt.]]>
Personally I would advise only cautious, slow change at the Anzere hub. Most objects there have some historical significance; some are not replaceable.
During my term, Aliasi Stonebender agreed to do some contact with the Linden Labs people, about use of the Anzere hub, which is a significant historical artifact for us, and for the Lindens as well. I don't know what came of those contacts.
As I recall, Aliasi, Sudane, Rose, Moon, Dianne and I, at least, all have some practical experience with the group and script permissions on the Linden-owned hub land.
Regards JP]]>
In CDS, of course, go "both ways" at present.
We currently have the Al-Andalus estate owned by a RL corporate entity, to qualify for the large non-profit discount available from Linden Labs. The other half of CDS is owned by a single avatar account, which is expected to administer it in trust for the benefit of the estate's citizens, as directed by its government. This was a result of our recent merger, which still is in its one-year revocable period.
Integrating that into a single, sound system, with appropriate safeguards and survivability, will be a major challenge for CDS, during the current (12th) and next (13th) government terms.
Regards JP]]>
I think when it was last re-done, there were three CDS members who created the Fachwerks and each of the three building types are represented for that purpose. This leaves few prims for anything else though and constructs the space as well.
Since o e of my current projects is making Fachwerks, I would volounteer to remake the hub, but I realise that it would have to approved by a few committees and argued over for a few months first.
. (joke)It would be nice to redesign it with a bit more space for avatars, clearer, more current information and if it's not dissalowed, a CDS vendor with a selection of goods in it.]]>
I have had the experience that when I returned to the old viewer I was a white cloud.]]>
Dianne, to the contrary, we did have one case of that, late in my last term: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2713
On the presence of ads in the Anzere infohub, that's something to take up with the Executive Branch. Are we advertising something there now? I think there are Linden rules about keeping official Linden infohubs somewhat noncommercial.
Regards JP]]>
If I see something interesting, I will tell them.]]>
- The RA has accepted that one of its member, Lilith Ivory, has the position of caretaker.
- The RA has formed a workgroup whose task is to define what is a CDS citizen. The head of the WG is Mikelo Serevi. The other members are Arria Perreault, StuiChicanne Darkstone and Pip Torok.
- The RA has decided to put the point of the agenda "Concerns of citizen" at the beginning of each meeting. This point has a time limit of 15 minutes.
Other informations:
- Keila Forager has made a brief report about the last meeting of the Portal/Forum workgroup. The workgroup will meet again.
- Town Hall meetings are a positive experience and bring good results.
7 day votes have been a feature of RA meetings for as long as I can recall (certainly since 2005). If an RA member cannot make a meeting they have been able to ask the LRA that they cast their vote on any issues taken to a vote within 7 days of the meeting being held. This is helpful if, for example, there is an important vote on a bill or constitutional amendment scheduled for the meeting but one or more members cannot attend the meeting. Every RA member has the chance to vote and is not disenfranchised because, for example, they have a RL commitment they cannot reschedule.
Perhaps we could work up an amendment to the rules of procedure on these forums and then vote on it at the next formal RA meeting on 21 March?]]>
Send info to Arias Ahren, Apollo Manga, JAM Yangtz or you can always send to me, and I'll make sure they get it.
Silver Pen is located in the El Tesoro Libreria in Al Garnata.]]>
The poster session she presented took place on ALA Info Island, and will be on display until March 20, I believer. I've asked Fern to consider setting up the poster session and perhaps give her presentation to everyone after it is finished there. I was able to attend one of the sessions, and Fern's presentation and professionalism were the best given, and all the presenters were professionals!
Please join me in thanking Fern for her hard work on the Al Qantara library and for continuing to spread the word of the great projects being undertaken in Al Andalus and CDS.]]>
AGENDA
Old Business:
Al-Idris Map frame
Storytelling event on March 22
Events Board for Library
Bookmaking class date/time
New Business
Setting permissions on Al Qantara objects
Recrutiment for link selectors for library bookcases
Alternate time/date for having library meetings
Benches for courtyard
And... any other topics members would like to introduce
Coffee and more]]>
Keila, I am sorry to hear Richie will not be able to be there. It is difficult to find a time that is perfect for everyone, and this time has been chosen as one that normally is good for the most people. If you would like to suggest another time, we can all talk about whether or not it would be a better time for people to be there.]]>
I suggest we gather on this day, March the 20th, at 4:00 pm SLT in Al Andalus Almunecar. Then we can walk together to Alpine Meadow.
Along the way we can admire the beauty of this great land and improve it by planting green trees!
]]>Multiple sections are missing and I now have this notice on my screen. Is there something that the citizens are no longer permitted to view???]]>
I'd LOVE to have the history of the SC and Guild, as that information predates me. It seems to me that the SC has sort of lost its way.. and I think it's a very important part of CDS government... (and i dont' mean this as any criticism to the individuals involved now.. i think you are great public servants but this branch of government is just not functioning well.)
And yes Danton, we do need what you are suggesting. Lets talk about it? now that i'm no longer a public servant, i have time
I'd also like for you to talk to Keila Forager who is working really hard to get some proposals to us on web presence that would include this.. but she's having trouble getting input, especially from people with actual authority to make changes. In the meantime, changes are happening on the portal.. without input... so as you can see it is pretty frustrating. Also the new Library and Silver Pen groups are doing some really cool things that you should be involved in.
More on this in a few hours,( rl and weekends. bah!)]]>
The point is well taken. In my blog series called "CDS Chronicles" I at least tried to mention parties and cultural activities. But in the new format called "Fast Forward" I even let those drop, just skimming rapidly through the RA meetings. I'm aware that the RA meetings reflect only a tiny portion of the active life of the community.
Other projects to give a broader presentation of our activities have been talked about. One is the CDS History Project that Brian Livingstone evoked in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2422
Another idea would be a community newspaper. I've discussed this with Rose Springvale a few times. It could be set up as a blog with multiple authors, so that any member of the community that wanted could participate, write about recent events, post photos and so on. (An editorial team could be set up to provide some kind of minimal editorial control.) This would offer an additional medium for expression alongside the portal, which is very formal, and the forum, which is mostly for internal discussion.]]>
However, I do have a quibble about the name. I was expecting a chronicle of the history of the CDS, but what is here is a chronicle of the *legislation* that went through the RA in a given term.
I lived through a lot of this history personally, and I can say that there were many more people involved in the political decisions, as well as many more exciting and interesting things that happened entirely outside of the legislature.
Besides the personal stories, the events, the plays, and the interpersonal grief and excitement, there are also many political things that happened in the Guild (formerly a branch of the government), and in the Scientific Council that are not recorded here. I served on the Scientific Council for quite a while as did several others and there is no mention that we even existed in this chronicle.
I don't want to go too much here, but one of the things I was always fighting against as a CDS member was the perception that the entire community was about whatever arguments that happened to be occurring in the RA at any given moment. We are indeed the "arguing country" (love that term), but we will never be a real community until we embrace the other things that make a community work as well.
The political side of the CDS is so much more than just what happens in the RA, and the life of the CDS to me is tied up in so much more than just the political arguing we do. To paraphrase that old detective story line, "There area million stories in the CDS," some of them involve people who never had any political involvement at all but still contributed greatly to our community.]]>
Soro.]]>
I don't believe the logo is that unique or interesting that wholesale theft is going to go on, and the CDS is not so well known that anyone would want to pretend to be us or pose as us in some kind of business situation IMO.]]>
Howard Fineman's book "The Thirteen American Arguments" puts forward the view that the United States of America is 'The Arguing Country' - born in, and born to, debate. How much truer is this of the CDS - Second Life's oldest democracy born in, and born to, endless argument! Fineman considers this to be America's greatest strength. I agree, and I think our tendency to argue is one of the CDS's greatest strengths too. I have identified "Six CDS Arguments" which I have seen in my years in this community.
Link to full article.]]>
As for my request, I always had thought the info hub was just for CDS, but recently noticed a LM/Info giver for someplace outside of CDS. So I would like to know how I can also put a sign to my winter park *Winter Angel Woods*. Do I need to get rezzing privledges or give a full perm copy to someone??? And if I need to give a copy, who would that be?]]>
[13:10] Keila Forager: OK, lets start and just remember I'd like to post this on the forum..LOL
[13:10] Rose Springvale: okay, keep it clean ladies
[13:11] Keila Forager: Cindy asked me something about the portal
[13:11] Keila Forager: She said and I agree..the present portal has exploded and is gone forever...
[13:11] Keila Forager: What do you want to see in the new portal and what's important to be there???
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: I want to have a system that makes it more easy to find old posts
[13:12] Keila Forager: Yes
[13:12] Keila Forager: We need a place for laws and constitution
[13:12] Satir DeCuir: who did that cds page anyway? I usually cant find anything when rose send me link =s maybe its me
[13:13] Rose Springvale: we need a page for each commission or activity
[13:13] Rose Springvale: or at least a thread
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: right
[13:13] Rose Springvale: like
[13:13] Rose Springvale: merchants
[13:13] Rose Springvale: land
[13:13] Keila Forager: the neufreistadt link that is in covenants and other places no longer exists
[13:13] Rose Springvale: organizations
[13:14] Satir DeCuir: lol
[13:14] Keila Forager: We need to tell people who and what we are..
[13:14] Rose Springvale: and covenants shoudl BE in covenants
[13:14] Lilith Ivory: hehe so true
[13:15] Keila Forager: yes and be up to date
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: might be useful to have a public part and one only for residents
[13:15] Keila Forager: we need a land for sale section
[13:15] Keila Forager: I think we need to have officers/editors for each section
[13:15] Lilith Ivory: once I tried to bring a friend to the CDS and told him to read the forum for more info
[13:16] Keila Forager: we can't have just one person incharge
[13:16] Rose Springvale: ugh
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: we scared him away lol
[13:16] Keila Forager: I bet..
[13:16] Rose Springvale: yes, we have done that to many
[13:16] Rose Springvale: i never give the forum to new people lol
[13:16] Keila Forager: while I was here with Richie he gave me the link and I looked once,...
[13:16] Rose Springvale: unless i dont' lke them
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: smart of you
[13:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:16] Keila Forager: closed it and went back later and then gave up..LOL
[13:17] Lilith Ivory: same with me
[13:17] Keila Forager: We need to clear the clutter..
[13:17] Rose Springvale: i have a question
[13:17] Keila Forager: why is there links on the top, the side the middle and the bottom of the home page and no real info??
[13:18] Rose Springvale: people are often saying .. we need the history, we need the debates
[13:18] Rose Springvale: i'm not convinced. The story is interesting, but.. keeping transcripts of RA meetings forever?
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: the debates are useful to blame somebody for being a liar lol
[13:18] Lilith Ivory: but you never can find the right threat
[13:18] Rose Springvale: do we really want that option?
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: it´s not necessary
[13:19] Rose Springvale: is it helpful?
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: as we can make chat loggs of our own
[13:19] Rose Springvale: i'd rather see LESS drama
[13:19] Keila Forager: Definitely
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: but the history somewhere is not bad
[13:20] Rose Springvale: okay, but if we have to dig to find something. let it be that
[13:20] Keila Forager: I think there is too much, "us" "them" "me" and not enought "we" as in CDS
[13:20] Rose Springvale: i agree
[13:20] Keila Forager: I think the transcripts etc can be archived..
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:20] Rose Springvale: one thing during an election or debate of an issue
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[13:20] Rose Springvale: another thing entirely once decisions are made
[13:20] Keila Forager: and we don't debate here..everyone argues..
[13:21] Keila Forager: We need a place for businesses
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: yup
[13:21] Keila Forager: I'd like to see photos incorporated..
[13:21] Keila Forager: most people love to see pics instead of reading
[13:22] Keila Forager: especially if english is not their first language
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: I wasn´t able to add a pic when I tried once
[13:22] Rose Springvale: i don't konw how to do them
[13:22] Keila Forager: it is mine and I don't understand most of the laws and constitution
[13:22] Rose Springvale: i have folders of event pics
[13:22] Keila Forager: too legaleze..sorry Rose
[13:22] Rose Springvale: i am a better lawyer than that lol
[13:22] Rose Springvale: personally i'd like to rewrite it all
[13:23] Rose Springvale: but am not volunteering
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: as a non lawer I don´t understand what it means
[13:23] Rose Springvale: i find that to be a problem in a community like ours
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: I don´t think it´s a matter of my language
[13:23] Rose Springvale: if you don't understand
[13:23] Keila Forager: Unless the present site is easy to explain to volunteers and easy to use..I think it needs to be
[13:23] Rose Springvale: then i'm betting 90% don
[13:23] You decline Turtle & Bunny Bay Market @ Prim, Rebels Haven (38, 57, 23) from A group member named Kristy Belar.
[13:23] Rose Springvale: t
[13:25] Rose Springvale: did you all crash?
[13:25] Keila Forager: That's what I mean Lilith, english is my first language and I don't understand it..LOL
[13:26] Keila Forager: Nope still here..
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:26] Lilith Ivory: uhm - not crashed
[13:26] Rose Springvale: smile
[13:26] Keila Forager: I just find it all frustrating I got appointed to this, everyone wants to update, but no one wants to help
[13:26] Rose Springvale: we had silence,i'm not used tot hat
[13:26] Satir DeCuir: bavck
[13:26] Rose Springvale: i want to help
[13:27] Keila Forager: Although some unknown person is updating the present portal...
[13:27] Rose Springvale: but i dont' know hwo we make progress with no access
[13:27] Rose Springvale: i think that is an issue that needs to be addressed
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: I don´t have any experience with web sites
[13:27] Rose Springvale: hard to say its a community forum when the committee charged with it can't have basic info
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: I only can tell you where I think the problems are
[13:28] Keila Forager: Me either, but the test site I saw on ning had some great possibilities
[13:28] Joel Savard is Online
[13:28] Rose Springvale: lets all work on one
[13:28] Lilith Ivory accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Rose Springvale: if we all can add to it
[13:28] Rose Springvale: we can show a working protocol
[13:28] Keila Forager: I'm trying to figure out how to add you to the one I was playing with..
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: great!
[13:29] Keila Forager: I might have to send a message to the creators forum..I like they have a help area
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: if I am able to work with it everybody can - I´m such a newb
[13:29] Keila Forager: I am too...totally
[13:30] Joel Savard is Offline
[13:31] Kooko Darwin is Offline
[13:32] Rose Springvale: got it, but let me see if i can show you mine, a little farther along
[13:32] Keila Forager: I like the idea of a blog with approval first..
[13:33] Keila Forager: and what ever we decide we need to be able to transfer ability to be an administrator
[13:33] Keila Forager: or add them as needed
[13:33] Rose Springvale: on ning
[13:33] Keila Forager: it does us no good to have one person and no updates
[13:33] Rose Springvale: you make your own approval i think
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: yup
[13:34] Lucinda Bergbahn is Online
[13:34] Rose Springvale: i have the one i was working on, but its not loading right
[13:34] Rose Springvale: http://alandalus.ning.com/
[13:35] Rose Springvale: see if you can see it
[13:35] Keila Forager: I think that we also need to be able to link to facebook, twitter, RSS etc
[13:35] Rose Springvale: that's easy with this
[13:35] Rose Springvale: and i thought so too
[13:35] Rose Springvale: would have been great to post one time and have it broadcast to all those
[13:36] Rose Springvale: now, if you do an event
[13:36] Rose Springvale: you post to sl events
[13:36] Rose Springvale: you post to the forum
[13:36] Rose Springvale: you post to the groups
[13:37] Keila Forager: I think most agree we need to update teh portal, what we need to figure is how to do it and what additional features to add...
[13:37] Keila Forager: besides simplify and de cluttering it
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: your does not look bad so far Rose
[13:38] Rose Springvale: you can see it?
[13:38] Rose Springvale: good
[13:38] Rose Springvale: i spent maybe 20 minutes on it
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: sure was playing with it till now
[13:38] Rose Springvale: someone who knows what they rare doing could make it really nice i think
[13:38] sasken Aeghin is Offline
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: think so also
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: what I can do is mayking the pictures as long as someone tells me what is needed
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: make those for my RL client also
[13:39] Keila Forager: Since none of us have access to the present portal, who do we talk to about that? Brian?
[13:40] Rose Springvale: if brian isn't replying, then Arria i think
[13:40] Rose Springvale: i know Solomon is trying to get hold of brian too
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: better talk to Brian imao hehe
[13:40] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Christopher Mai (19m)
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: ah I see
[13:40] Brian Livingston is Offline
[13:40] Rose Springvale: he kind of goes deep and dark, then resurfaces!
[13:41] Keila Forager: Must have just recently logged off
[13:42] Rose Springvale: hi christopher
[13:42] Keila Forager: Hi Christophe
[13:42] Lilith Ivory: Hi Chris
[13:42] Christopher Mai: Hi
[13:42] Christopher Mai: You ladies having a meeting.
[13:42] Rose Springvale: we are just having a meeting about our web presence
[13:42] Christopher Mai: Oh
[13:43] Keila Forager: Have you seen the CDS Portal Christopher??
[13:43] Christopher Mai: Your web presence is very good.
[13:43] Christopher Mai: No
[13:43] Keila Forager: Really??
[13:43] Keila Forager: You haven't seen it??
[13:43] Christopher Mai: OOps I just stepped on a rabbit
[13:44] Kooko Darwin is Online
[13:44] Christopher Mai: Where is it
[13:44] CoolestBean Brunswick is Online
[13:44] Left Door: Christopher Mai is at the door.
[13:44] Rose Springvale: slcds.info
[13:44] Christopher Mai: slcds info?
[13:45] Rose Springvale: dot between s and i
[13:45] Keila Forager: www.slcds.com
[13:45] Christopher Mai: Ok
[13:45] Rose Springvale: i'll see you all later. sorry need to run
[13:45] Lilith Ivory: see you soon
[13:45] Satir DeCuir: I should go too :\
[13:45] Rose Springvale is Offline
[13:45] Keila Forager: Ok, I don't think we have much more to discuss ...
[13:45] Satir DeCuir: already afking a lot lol
[13:46] Christopher Mai: You are all very lovely today I need to run also
[13:46] Keila Forager: OK..
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: see you guys
[13:46] Keila Forager: thanks Christopher
[13:46] Lilith Ivory: ne excuse for me to stay online longer
[13:46] Keila Forager: Be interested Christopher what you think of the website
[13:46] Christopher Mai: I feel like I broke up your meeting
[13:47] Keila Forager: You didn't..we were pretty much done
[13:47] Christopher Mai: Will check it and get back to you
[13:47] Keila Forager: OK thanks..
[13:47] Keila Forager: Thanks for coming guys..
[13:47] Satir DeCuir: see u all later
[13:47] Keila Forager: Bye
[13:47] Christopher Mai: Satir, lilith Keila bye
[13:47] Lilith Ivory: bye for now]]>
http://dantonsideways.blogspot.com/2010 ... art-1.html
This latest instalment takes us up to the end of January 2009. That's only about one year behind today's date!
For reference, the previous instalments were mentioned in this forum post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2352]]>
I. ADMIN
a. Get agreements to record session.
b. Review this agenda. Approve any changes
c. Inquire for speakers on today's agenda items.
d. Representative Assembly Rules of Procedure
d. 7-day votes
II. ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED FROM PRIOR RA MEETING(-)
a. Report of the Portal/Forum Workgroup (Keila Forager)
b. Report of the Town Hall Meeting
III. NEW ITEMS
a. Compatibility between the position of caretaker and RA membership (Request from the Chancellor's Office)
b. Definition of citizen (Mikelo Serevi)
c. Order of the RA Agenda (StuiChicanne Darkstone)
IV. Concerns of RA Members
V. Concerns of Citizens
VI. Adjournment]]>
I would also suggest that we add a list of all businesses in the portal, besides the kiosk.]]>
A great last-ish action as Chancellor, sir.
]]>I like what Pip said: with more direct voting methods, voters will be able to can exercise some choice, and "appoint those who represent them by getting business done more briskly than others."
I'm not sure I agree with Pat that a 7-member body, of which 5 usually attend, is better than a 15-member body, where 11 usually attend. It's certainly easier to run meetings :) But it's more elitist too.
Certainly the RA could not operate the way it does now with 15, 17 or 31 members. But the way it operates now is full of long speeches, social side remarks, long digressions, and other indulgences that work in a small group, but not a big one. In a modern legislature .. like the EU Parliament or US Senate .. members use different rules, use more committees, and bring things to vote more briskly, because it's arithmetically obvious that everyone in a 100-member body can't give a ten minute floor speech on every topic.
So the right questions may be;
(a) Today, do we want the RA to be a scalable national legislature, or a small clan of village aldermen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderman)?
(b) Do we expect to grow significantly, and does that change the answer?
regards JP]]>
if that doesn't work, just go to to slcds.info and click the box that says "Looking for something to do" http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=93
(BTW, the calendar appears to be in the update process, lots of things out of alignment. I'm sure they'll get to it. Not sure why we have slurls all over our splash page... there is a meeting concerning these issues Thursday at 1 slt though!)
As for making the changes to the Schloss... as you'll see in the discussion, the fact that individuals have done so over the years is one of the reasons we've opened discussions... because it IS an important community resource and changes made haven't always been in line with what works best for the community. Seems we all have ideas about what we want and like there... so rather than just turn over the project to an individual and hope for the best, an opportunity to participate in the discussion and actually plan the work ... much as we do when we open new sims... was chosen as the best route.
If we actually make some of the suggested changes, it is possible that some prims could be freed for other purposes, but our dearth of prims is one of the reasons we all lag so much at Schloss events.]]>
I was more interested in making the changes themselves than in involving myself in the debate.
The fact that it's been discussed for so long already certainly doesn't bode well for anything actually happening but I would still like to see the document or perhaps participate in meetings or discussion about it regardless. Wouldn't this be a Guild issue?]]>
It seems to me that at least part of the problem is that our communities don't really function as such. Specifically, while the individual communities or cities act as political entities, they don't act well as fiscal entities, or social entities.
The rental carts for instance are a well recognised, useful and quite popular solution in many other SL communities. The obvious solution for the financial problems is that they should be a resource provided by the community (for purposes of maintaining the vibrance of said community), and just a part of the city budget. 100 prims divided into 10 carts would be more than sufficient and in the general scheme of things a worthy "spending" of the sims overall resources considering the possible benefit. The city or sim could take a cut of sales as is customary but not necessarily view it as a profit situation or necessarily making all it's money back.
The other obvious RL solution to some of these problems (and another way in which we do not operate like a RL community or city), is zoning and city planning. If a body, such as the Guild, had planning and zoning control, many of the problems could be worked around without having to send every decision up the chain to the RA. Many of the arguments that occupy us for weeks and months could be much more quickly and practically decided by a group that is empowered to do things like move stores around, and make decisions about prim allocation etc.
We are "about" government it seems, as you point out, but our government is very flat. It seems like even tiny descisions must be sent to the RA. This kind of like the city of Denver having to argue before the US Congress to get permission to pave a road, and then follow it up with a hearing before the Supreme Court because someone in a small town in Deleware disagrees with the funding proposal on a technicality.
These descisions also can take a longer time than the whole lifetime of an SL business or even the "lifetime" of an avatar.
My understanding is that the CDS Is about "Virtual World Democracy." It seems like a large part of that project should be concerned with the adjustments that need to be made in order for Democracy to work in a virtual world. Maybe voting on every single thing by the whole community is one of those things that needs to be changed.
To end with a positive suggestion... Another way to tackle the poor business environment is for the individual communities of the CDS to open a "company store" of sorts. Imagine if one side of the Platz were one large store with vendors for members of the TA or the Guild. Many more businesses could be accomodated, with far fewer prims and in much less space. The city would make money off the sales and to the degree that a vibrant business "zone" is created, the tier of the residential areas could go down. Just like in RL.]]>
In the current Representative Assembly we have 11 representatives. Previously there have been 12, 5, 7, 9 .... The number depends on how many citizens are registered when the polls open. Personally, I think this is insane And I'd like to propose that we fix the size of the RA at a suitable number. I think it should be 7.Well personally, I think that any number that depends, however approximately, upon the number of registered citizens has alot going for it. For a start, the representation is not vitiated, as it would certainly be if we had 7 per 150 (or 7 per 500, or 7 per 1500!)
I think the size for the RA should be 7 when the registration is from 1 to 99, but 9 for 100 to 149, 11 for 150 to 199 and so on upwards.
I agree on the rationale behind having odd numbers.
Readers will notice that, in practice, there's not much difference between Pat's figure and mine for our current size of citizenry.
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Why do we have this wacky system? Well, when the founders developed the Constitution they provided that seats on the RA would be an odd number equivalent to 10% of the population (rounded down). They also set the maximum number at 40 representatives. They set an odd number for obvious reasons - so that votes would be less likely to end in a tie. The specified a maximum of 40 because that was the maximum number of avatars you could fit on one sim at a time in those days. I don't know why they set 10% as a proportion.
The problems this causes are that we never know exactly how many reps there will be until the polls open and we know how many citizens are registered.
This may be the case at present. However, this can be put right when (a) we have a definition of "citizen" in place ( b) we have the means of totalling the numbers easily, speedily, and _transparently_ so that (c) we clearly see in good time just how many representatives there will be.
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With more RA members the meetings have to become more 'formal' in order to get business done. Recent meetings have been a roll-call of procedural votes - do people want to change the agenda? It needs a vote. Do people want to cut the discussion short? It needs a vote. This makes meetings slow down so less is accomplished. It also means that fewer citizens get to speak as time has to be prioritised for RA members who want to participate in the meeting. Furthermore, getting more than a few people to agree about anything is a nightmare! This problem expands exponentially the more people are added to the RA.
I disagree. With Single Transferable Voting, voters will learn, after a term or two, just which representatives pare their points to save time, and which representatives drag their feet. The tools Cindy provided last term would be invaluable. And "getting more than a few people to agree about anything"? Well, Parliamentary practice in the UK from 1721 to 2010 will give some pointers there, at least!
My point? Voters will be able to, and will, appoint those who represent them by getting business done more briskly than others.
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It was all a lot easier when the RA was smaller. Sure, we had our problems then too but my recollection is that meetings had less formality and it was easier for citizens to participate to a fuller extent.
I suggest we fix the number of RA members at 7. It's a number big enough to represent different points of view but permit good discussion. It would allow more non-RA members to take part. And it would reduce the number of politicians in the CDS - that has to be a major selling-point!
"Politician" ... hmmm well I hope the word was kindly meant. Not as "I am a concerned citizen, you are a politician, he is ... etc."
Pip Torok]]>
I wasn't around when the decision was made not to rent shops, but i am aware that some cling to the idea that not renting insures that we don't have "non resident landlords." But as you've correctly observed, what we have instead are non resident land owners. Three reasons for this: 1) Some people just buy land for the citizenship ... this leaves NFS with its very low tier completely vulnerable, and why there are so many empty shops... 2)coupled with the dearth of prims! Even with the one allowed prim lot, only the very clever can have the structure and the contents do much with around 60 prims. Then there is 3) the parcels that have been owned by the same people for a very long time, who have really moved on to other projects but keep a hand in CDS out of sentimentality, interest or friendship. We almost never see these people in world, or at events.
Allowing rental isn't the only answer to this i'm afraid, as we see each time we put up our market stands, and as most recently shown through the To Limani experiment, which we have to conclude was terminated due to financial reasons. The reality is that successful sims have successful commercial areas because they have a) space b) quality goods and c) events (including just observation of beautiful builds) that bring in traffic so that the SL world is aware of the products. Directories wont' help if there is no traffic. There won't be traffic without events,preferably that relate to or support the theme and the traffic produced won't matter if there is no place open for shops to locate. Shops can't locate if all the inexpensive commercial space is taken up by "citizens."
That said, CDS has never been presented as just a sim project... by definition our project is democracy, not community building, not commercial center. (See the recent debates on the sale of land for much of this opinion) The conclusions i draw are that this is what the historical majority of CDS wants.]]>
Thanks for the quick response.
My email is just "Sylvia.Tinkel@gmail.com"
Is there a calendar where in world meetings of the various CDS groups are listed?]]>
I'm not really sure what the point of starting the Trading Association up again is then. It seems like the barriers to anyone selling themed products for our communities are very, very high indeed!
I know something of the history of the CDS so I understand the reasoning behind some of those decisions and I know how long it takes to make any changes to policy in CDS, but it seems like the net effect of this is that there is:
- (practically speaking) no new commercial space available in Neufreistadt (even for residents)
- no ability for anyone from outside the community to do business here at all.
- (ironically) empty "stores" all over the city.
I'm trying to stay positive, but isn't this almost the worst combination of effects possible for making a successful business? It turns away potential (successful) outside businesses and groups, and severely limits even what residents can do in terms of selling their wares. It also requires a huge initial investment (including citizenship and parcel ownership), to even get started. The empty buildings (some even on the Platz), then make the whole area look like a ghost-town or a bad place to shop.
In any case, I'm still actively interested in being a part of the TA or contributing or whatever and would like to be included in any meetings etc. that go on.]]>
At the end of the term there were two fachwerk houses available in NFS, both i think on Ursalaweg, near the school. Neither had many prims available, one only 2 aside from the house as i recall, though i think there may be some prim land available. Here is the link to the master parcel list, which shows pricing and tier: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pKpEHNlZSbBS95SoA3QNDOg. CDS policy right now is that all land sells at the list price.
There is at least a parcel or two available in each of the original CDS sims i think. The chancellor is in charge of land transfers, so perhaps you can check with Sonja if you find one you like. Generally, if a parcel is owned by Rudeen, it can be purchased.
As for kiosks and carts, NFS is severely limited on prims, so we have in the past only offered those as seasonal benefits for residents, usually limited to 10 prims and offered first come first served through oktoberfest and recently, the Christmas market. By the time we take them down, we've always had complaints about the clutter on the platz. It's all a balancing act.
Another issue is that CDS doesn't officially allow rentals. These are all issues that may make the agenda of the Representative Assembly.]]>
My point is not to discourage this group.. it is great to see some action here, but only to let you know that a lot of people have had very strong opinions on this issue. I'm told all the time that we have to have our history available and that is one of the reasons we have the portal... so maybe a review of the meetings so many of us participated in would help too. I think you can find the transcripts in the new guild threads.
let me know if you want/need help.]]>
Not sure about protocol re citizenship and all that, but if you send your email to me or to Moon, you are welcome to have a look at what we've been working on.
Great to have your input!]]>
I am interested in getting in involved in this thingie, but I'm not a citizen (only a "friend" of the CDS), the reason being I can't see anywhere in Nstadt where I can open a shop.
(and I'm kind of not ready to quite yet anyway). Perhaps my observations as a sort of "outside observer" might be relevant. I was thinking of opening a shop in Neufreistadt in the CDS so I've wandered around the city a bit lately looking and as far as I can see there is no land for sale, and no shops or even space on carts for rent. In reality, I'm sure there probably is, but it sure isn't apparent to anyone walking around (at least not me anyway.) This seems like a barrier to business IMO. Most places also seem to have some carts or stalls that are easily rentable, usually in the town square, for folks that have only a few things to sell and not much money. I don't see any of those in Neufreistadt although maybe they are in some of the other CDS sims. This can also be a barrier to business growth in that if one has to own a significant chunk of land before being able to open a store, well ... it's just like turning people away for what seems like no reason at all!
In any event, I'd like to get involved. I'd also maybe like to enter the kiosk contest, but despite the description I'm not sure what the TA is looking for. Could someone maybe point at a similar kiosk somewhere else for comparison? Or maybe post what general size, such a kiosk would be?]]>
I don't feel that the Schloss is well designed for having events like this however.
I was wondering if there were any interest in a respectful (slight) re-design of the Schloss towards the goal of making it better for that purpose? I'm not *quite* a citizen (yet), but I'm a pretty good builder and would work for free, and in consultation with anyone who was interested, and of course the community itself. More minor changes than a complete redesign.
What I'm thinking of is something that respects the kitschy, higgldy-piggledy nature of the current construction and somehow preserves Kendra's & Sudane's original work, yet makes more room available for dancing or DJ'ing and maybe considers the actual uses of the structure. Perhaps there could be places to sit, or to talk quietly while others dance. I've always thought the concept of the bathrooms was really fun also, but they are way over on the other side of the construction from the dance floor and don't get used that much.
One idea I had was that perhaps the "throne room" (pretty much useless for events), which sits dead centre of all the rooms that *are* used, could be sent up into the sky as a tribute to Kendra. It seems to create a central bottleneck that keeps people from moving from room to room.
We could leave a plaque down below that was a TP to the new location perhaps. This would totally free up the layout IMO.
PS - I'd also like to volunteer my services (building and texturing mostly I suppose), for any future CDS events.]]>
Why do we have this wacky system? Well, when the founders developed the Constitution they provided that seats on the RA would be an odd number equivalent to 10% of the population (rounded down). They also set the maximum number at 40 representatives. They set an odd number for obvious reasons - so that votes would be less likely to end in a tie. The specified a maximum of 40 because that was the maximum number of avatars you could fit on one sim at a time in those days. I don't know why they set 10% as a proportion.
The problems this causes are that we never know exactly how many reps there will be until the polls open and we know how many citizens are registered. It also means that, as the CDS has expanded, the size of the RA has expanded. I think this has had a number of negative effects. With more RA members the meetings have to become more 'formal' in order to get business done. Recent meetings have been a roll-call of procedural votes - do people want to change the agenda? It needs a vote. Do people want to cut the discussion short? It needs a vote. This makes meetings slow down so less is accomplished. It also means that fewer citizens get to speak as time has to be prioritised for RA members who want to participate in the meeting. Furthermore, getting more than a few people to agree about anything is a nightmare! This problem expands exponentially the more people are added to the RA.
It was all a lot easier when the RA was smaller. Sure, we had our problems then too but my recollection is that meetings had less formality and it was easier for citizens to participate to a fuller extent.
I suggest we fix the number of RA members at 7. It's a number big enough to represent different points of view but permit good discussion. It would allow more non-RA members to take part. And it would reduce the number of politicians in the CDS - that has to be a major selling-point!
What do others think?]]>
It's time, once again, for the annual revitalization of the CDS Chamber of Commerce Festival!
For those that missed yesterday's Town Hall (for any number of reasons that can be peacefully (cough) discussed in more meetings), it was discussed and decided that another wild stab would be taken at the elusive C of C beast. In fact, to simplify and consolidate all the past efforts, we decided to kill off some of the other groups that started and never got off the ground and just pick one to run with. In the interest of ease and convenience and not seeing how the name really mattered, we decided to go with one of the existing groups with a founder that was still known to be in-world and available for any modifications to the group profile stuff, and more convenience. We went with the Traders' Association (TA), founded by Pat. He also just happened to be at the meeting and could invite folks, so that made it easy.
Also, a plot was hatched to create a business directory to highlight all businesses in CDS, and have them in Sim centers across the land. Now, this is no doubt raising ooOodles of questions about usefulness, aesthetic, cost, maintenance, scale, and most importantly, does this really meet the true desires and needs of the community and properly and fairly express the passion and creative genius pumping so fiercely through the veins of all CDS citizens?
i dont know....
But, there are a lot of great businesses in CDS and there have been many that have left for many different reasons. Some feel some steps should be taken to strengthen the commercial side of our fair state and this directory is a simple, relatively harmless first step. Let me emphasize, First Step. We know it is not the final answer or missing link to financial success for all our businesses for all time, but it's low hanging fruit to tide us over till we get dinner ready.
Of course, you are all invited to the table and what's more, you're all invited to propose how to best prepare the fruit however you like. We're giving an open invite to any who would like to submit a model kiosk system.
That's right, we're holding a KIOSK KONTEST! The winner(s) get: bragging rights, free beer for life at my place, The Outhouse, and a photo-op with the new kiosk so they can send pics to their friends and family and gloat till their hearts content. Oh, maybe we can even wring some compensation from the RA and funding for required system purchases, if needed.
here's the deal: Due date for submissions: March 14th.
It should be able to display at least 24 businesses, the ideal kiosk will be scalable to whatever number we need as we grow. There is not an accurate, or complete list of all the businesses and services in CDS, so we don't know how large to make it, but what we do know is that it can't be a monster. Since the CDS intends to keep growing, it really doesn't matter how many businesses we have at the moment, the design has to be relatively compact, scalable, attractive, easily navigable for guests, and informative.
It has to fit in the scale and style of our various sim themes with a consistent look so it's easily recognizable to guests as they sim hop, shop and look for places to blow all their cash on us, so not a different one on each sim.
Oh, and it of course needs to be easy to update and set up for current and future staff to distribute and maintain.
Drop the submissions with full perms on me in a labeled folder: CDS Business Directory Kiosk submission - <YOUR NAME>, with a NC about its design and function along with any other info you think is important about it, and post a message in this forum that you have done so and give a little synopsis of it, to make your submission official, get on the record, and let the group know about your idea.
and that's it. pretty simple ground rules.
The TA will go over all the submissions, decide on a prototype of the kiosk and system to propose to the RA the following week for approval. Then, as soon after that as possible, the system will be in place. Notices, hook, crook, and hoopla will be used to campaign for business participation and shops will be responsible for submitting the needed materials to participate.
The directory will be mirrored on the website.
Now, some of you are great designers/builders, some are great scripters, others are great planners and system architects, but can't build or script. If you have a good, complete idea, bring it. For example: Perhaps resident A will have a beautiful design, that fits all our physical needs, and has an outline for function, but can't script, while resident B has scripted a hot dog information system and can't can't rez a box to save his avie. we can work with that. Submitters need to be willing to possibly have any part or all of their submission used in some way to create the desired end result. If someone knows of a particular pre-fab system, submit the information to me in a NC, labeled like a standard submission (see above) with a link to any Xstreet page and website and any specific info about the particular product with your thoughts on its relevance to our needs. Then also post about it here and note that you submitted it to me.
Over the next two weeks, through the magic of the forums and a couple in-world meetings, the TA will take shape from volunteer citizens. For now, most surprisingly and most inevitable detriment to the nation, it will be led by me cuz i was the dummy with the big mouth and no brains that kinda pushed it. With any luck, by the 14th, others will step up to properly head the TA and the rest of the volunteer group can decide on a Chair.
Our beloved Stui, as head of the last RAs Commerce Commission, has been met with and is okey-fine with participating in and supporting the current efforts, as the primary directive of that Commission has been executed and the existence of it in the current RA is completely unknown.
So that's it. get your submissions and/or completed system outlines in by the 14th, post responses here in the forum and come to one of the next meetings of TA to be held this Thursday, March 4th in the amphitheater in CN at either 11 A.M. SLT and 7 P.M. SLT to discuss the kiosk project, purpose, organization, and mission of the TA and for the love of sweet Mary's sacred baby boy, pick a new leader for it.
Thank you,
Solomon Mosely
Chief Head Master KIng Honcho Pooba with tomato, onions, and extra cheese of the CDS Trader's Association]]>
Jan 2010, elegible = 122, voted = 57 (47%)
Jul 2009, elegible = 71, voted = 39 (55%)
Jan 2009, elegible = 72, voted = 43 (59%)
So the trend has been down, but my guess is that this is mainly because of the percentage of newer citizens voting in the latest election. Personally, I am very glad we are going to STV.]]>
Let's look at the items on your tab.
Parcels:
Parcel Name: C.05 NW Sim Name: Colonia Nova Size: 400 Rate: 0.0091 Fee: 3.64
Parcel Name: C.06 NW Sim Name: Colonia Nova Size: 256 Rate: 0.0091 Fee: 2.3296
Parcel Name: Tier Credit Sim Name: Monastery Size: 1 Rate: -1.456 Fee: -1.456
Total monthly fee 4.5136
L$ 1300 (approx) to pay this month - this amount may vary as the exchange rate varies.
You will note that the item on Monastery is a *credit*, meaning that it lowers the amount you owe from the other two parcels. In fact, it's very clearly marked "Tier Credit". It provides you with the tier credit mandated by the RA action.
I'm sorry this is not more clear, but using the tools I have available make these rules difficult to administer. I decided on this course as being the simplest and clearest. As for why "Monastery", Monastery is the simplest sim with regard to parcel structure, so that adding "Tier Credit" parcels there was the least likely to confuse things.
As everyone knows, the mechanics of the tier payment system are managed by myself. If there are any questions like this about what appears on your "tab", please contact me directly. Part of the reason for having a box system which you can touch to display the details of your account is so you can check just this kind of thing and make sure its accurate.
Sudane.......................]]>
The minerva tour is still there, right where it has always been. Sometimes SL is not as reliable as we'd like it to be and the scripts in the rezzer needed to be reset.
It has been taken care of.]]>
Thanks. See you all there.
Keila]]>
Cindy]]>
Can someone please explain this charge/credit?
Soro.]]>
I suspect we are unlikely to agree
Your conclusions are entirely supported by data and mine rest on an assumption but my assumption is a reasonable one to make. The preferences of the community as a whole are (currently) not known. If someone were to poll everybody in the CDS we might get an answer. It could be that all the non-voters would have voted for one or other faction or none... We will probably never know. And, in any case, it's votes that count in a democracy.
The most reasonable assumption to make though is that the voter turnout is roughly representative of political opinion and preferences in the CDS. It's the simplest explanation for the result. Occam's razor would support my point of view!
That being said, one thing we agree on is that we should give some thought to why roughly half of our citizens did not vote. There will be some logistical/personal reasons - people were on holiday/too busy at work/otherwise busy in RL. There may also be some political reasons - Simplicity Party voters who felt the other factions did not represent their views. There may have been non-voters who were protesting (but why did we not hear from them and their protest?) There may have been people who thought their votes would not make a difference (and they would have been partly right, our old electoral system does not automatically yield proportional results).
Once again, I will predict a higher turnout next time. STV will force individual candidates to go out and get people to vote for them as individuals. No campaigning, no seats
I expect that will take us back up to 60-70% turnout which I think would be a respectable figure.]]>- Code: Select all
1st 2nd
CSDF 21 25
DPU 16 25
SEED* 20 7
In the simplest counting fashion, CSDF received 46 total votes, DPU 41, and SEED* 27. I'd count that as a preference among those who voted for CSDF (40%, with DPU 36%, and SEED* 24%), not as "approximately equal preferences" for all three factions. Even if you give two points for a first place vote and one for a second place vote (as our system does - and 3rd place votes receive 0) then you get: CSDF 67, DPU 57, and SEED 47. That's an even strong preference for CSDF: the faction received 39% (DPU 33%, SEED* 27%) of the total points available. Not a majority, not a mandate, but a pretty strong showing even with the "leveling out" effect that our counting system imposes.
It sure would be interesting to understand more about those who did not vote. And I'm now VERY certain that we can't make any statements about what preferences our citizens might have in general, only about what preferences those who voted have demonstrated.
Cindy]]>
Patroklus Murakami wrote:Yup, those conclusions can be drawn too, but so can mine In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, it's fair to assume that the distribution of support for the three factions which contested the election in the population is similar to that of the citizens who turned out to vote. I can't readily think of a reason why that distribution would be different.
In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, it's fair to assume that the distribution of support for the three factions which contested the election in the population is similar to that of the citizens who turned out to vote. I can't readily think of a reason why that distribution would be different.Actually my conclusions are completely supported by the data. Yours are supported only by assumption (as you correctly note here). Your mindset may not allow you to envision reasons why the distribution would be different, but that does not validate your assumptions.
I can envision many scenarios that would result in your assumption being invalid. For instance, what if the vast majority of those who did not vote were citizens who had joined CDS less than 120 days prior to the election? Then the only valid statement you could make would be "Among those who have been citizens for more than 120 days there is an approximately equal first-choice preference for each of the three factions who contested the election." You cannot make any other statement because the preference among those new voters might turn out to be for one particular faction or another and there are enough of them to be statistically significant. What if citizens of one faction were the vast majority of those who did not vote, perhaps as some kind of protest movement? Then all you could say would be "Among citizens who are not members of Faction X there is an approximately equal preference for each of the three factions that contested the election." Those non-voters now BY DEFINITION strongly prefer a single faction and would skew the overall preference pattern. What if the vast majority of non-voters were those who do not believe their vote would make a difference? Then you could say "Among those citizens who believe that their vote makes a difference there is an approximately equal first-choice preference for each of the three factions who contested the election." And so on....the possibilities are endless, and some are not so trivial. Perhaps we should give them some thought.
Cindy]]>
This is not an instant solution to our portal issues. A web site that does not meet our needs on the web when pasted onto the side of a prim will still fail to meet our needs
And if you think about the difference between what a web site looks like in a full-blown browser on your computer versus what it looks like on your cell phone you'll start to understand that we may need to redesign the entire CDS site for "in world functionality" (once we figure out what that means). But what this capability DOES do is open up the full spectrum of web-based functionality for use inside of Second Life. Up until now it's taken a fair amount of tricky LSL programming to get even minimalist "interactive" function into Second Life applications. In comparison creating sophisticated web-based applications is a cinch...and there are many more people who can mark up a web page than can program in LSL.I guess what I'd say about this is that it's something that ought to be included in the field of possibilities as we continue to talk about what we need and how those needs are prioritized. For example, we might find that we can make a pretty good case that our first priority ought to be some "from scratch" sets of pages customized for display in-world rather than a redesign of the existing site. I can see some scenarios for that which would allow us to develop prototypes quickly, test them in world, modify them according to the feedback, and deploy them as soon as they are ready. If our overall design is comprehensive and flexible enough, adding additional "application sets" will be simple, and the experience we gain from creating the early ones will make development of subsequent sets quicker. And the existing site could be re-designed by whomever is interested in working on our web-based presence. Or maybe we could do a good enough job on the in-world presence that when it's "complete enough" we'll simply use it to replace the current web presence. As I said earlier, the possibilities are very rich, we just have to figure out what we really want.
Looks like I may be snowed in for a bit over the weekend, so I may take advantage of the time to play with this and come up with some examples for people to poke at. I'll let you know if I do...
Cindy]]>
Present: Imotali Antiesse, Lilith Ivory, Mashi Muramabhad, Andreu Donat, Fern Leissa, Rose Springvale, Nala Kamala
Andreu showed the map, made by the anadalusian geographer Al-Idrisi; a map that is extremely important for the history of map-making, to the people that were not at the last library meeting. We are going to put the map up in the plaza.
Discussion on framing the map continued. Lilith suggested adding the frame to the texture to save a prim. Rose suggested that it would be a good idea to have something consistent to frame with and that the frame needs to be historically accurate. Rose checked with Damen Gorilla, the creator of the plaza to see if he has appropriate textures for the frame. Rose will pass the Damen textures to Lilith for frame-making; if the perms are right.
Andreu is also working on a notecard for the map. Imotali suggested adding book info and links to the notecard.
Minerva Trapdoor will hold an archive copy of the Al-Idrisi map texture.
Mashi also raised the issue of whether or not the library should have Spanish language material. She is willing to help with information in Spanish or with looking for more Islamic art.
Rose noted that Arias is willing to help with translations as well.
Fern said no bookmaking workshop has been lined up yet. Still trying to find someone willing to teach it. Neither JJ Drinkwater nor Rolig Loon make "page-turning" books. Both Rose and Fern will continue looking for someone. Rose will look for a list of bookmaker names that Onyx Plutonium gave to her.
Rose has arranged for a storytelling session for March 22 at 6 pm slt. Everyone discussed how to publicize the event. Rose suggested that we start with the CDS/AA groups as well as the storytelling Guild. Rose suggested that we also need to publish on SL events. Mashi suggested that we put posters up. Rose agreed to work on the publicity for the event.
Rose also suggested that we think about using the Alexandrian Library Group. Fern will follow up on contacting the Alexandrian Library group. Need to make sure we are compliant with their standards.
Fern discussed the plan to try and have an events board. Lilith has already indicated a willingness to help. Rose had a sample board make by Satir which Rose rezzed, as another possibility. She noted that since AA has been around for 3 years, many things are already made/available. Rose will see what she can bring to the next meeting in terms of a modified board for the library. The top will say events, than each section below will be whatever we want to highlight.
Discussed prim use. The maximum left for use is 100. Rose thought that some of the pretty but not necessary items should be removed to save prims.
The quality of the furnishings, the importance of not making changes to fast, of consistency with the existing build was also discussed. Lilith also noted that there are a lot of high quality 1 prim plants available now. Rose also mentioned Linden plants
Rose announced that there may be a new group willing to take over the old library building. It is a private, non-profit literary group called the Silver Pen. If they decide to use it as a library we may want to make sure we are coordinating programs.
Fern affirmed that the Al Qantara library did not need anything from the old library building.
More discussion about changing the meeting time to accommodate different, busy avatar schedules. Evenings were discussed but were not good for Fern. Weekends are already full of events. Wednesdays are also busy. Discussed using Doodle but decided not to do so.
Next meeting will be Tuesday, March 9 at 10 am slt
Birthday cake will be served.]]>
Present: Rose Springvale, Andreu Donat, Fern Leissa
Reviewed links which have been loaded in the bookshelves and tested for operability.
Andreu has images of Schools of Translation, both Arabic and Christian. May use them to make wall posters for the library
Discussion about need to keep library land in AA group if we want to maximize the number of prims available. Issue of permissions options also discussed. Need to decide who can rez within the Library
Discussed clearing 2nd floor of 2nd wing' Can wait a bit; month. Cynthia has been notified by Rose
Rose knows story-teller who would we willing to do event on the Arabian Nights. Rose will set a date, possibly Feb 20th
Discussed the need for an announcement board. Lilith may be willing. Rose said she had some for AA already and will bring to next meeting
The writers' group may work out of Solomon and Jamye's new cafe, so we need to coordinate with them. Jayme and Sterling will be doing mostly evening hours. Rose also talked about looking at the kind of events hosted within the Alexandrian Library system.
Discussed possibility of doing a book club at the library, where we meet and discuss specific books.
Need to think about whether or not we want a hippo or subscribomatic group of our own.
Fern will try to find someone to give a bookmaking class. Possibly speak with librarians on Info Island
Fern said she would also check on bookmaking classes with librarians on Info Island
Andreu showed historic map of Al Andalus. Decided to mount and display it in the Plaza; with notecard. Andreu noted that on the map, Europe is in the south and Africa in the north; the current vision of the world in Al Andalus at the time.
Andreu and Fern discussed the need for some books for pages that turn. Fern asked about he possibility of putting together a book of maps. Andreu though the volume should be kept fairly small.
Andreu will look for books on Al Idrisi that are in the public domain and can be used in the library, as that is his speciality.
Discussed changing the time of the library meeting to an earlier time; maybe 8 am slt. Andreu can't make 8 am slt and not good for Rose either. Next meeting will be at 10 am slt on Feb 22nd. Rose will put it on the calendar.]]>
50% turnout is not that great. I think it may be a new low though I'd have to check the figures. My impression (based on my faulty memory having participated in about eight of these elections now) is that our turnout is declining over time from the seventies, then sixties to where we are now.
I think part of the reason was the electoral system, a factor that won't feature in our next election. The combination of ranking parties and then distributing them by proportional representation is 'rough sandpaper'. It hugely favours minority parties. Add to that the fact that factions had to have over 10% of the population behind them to participate and the outcome is virtually guaranteed. There really wasn't much incentive to work hard at getting out the vote under our old electoral system. Each additional vote (beyond the core which you hope will vote anyway) does not really get you that closer to an additional seat.
All of this changes when we move to Single Transferable Vote (STV) in the next election! It will be really important to get people to vote for you as an individual (even if standing as part of a faction slate of candidates) or at least rank you highly. I predict more campaigning and a higher turnout next time around. (Feel free to bash me with this if it turns out to be too optimistic!)]]>
More info on what "HTML on a prim" looks like is available at http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetPrimMediaParams . The concept is simple, but the implementation possibilities are very rich!
Cindy]]>
Patroklus Murakami wrote:Thanks for posting this Jon. The election results are always interesting, these as much as any others. I note that the three factions which contested the election - CSDF, DPU and SEED - got roughly a third of the first preferences each. There should be no real surprise therefore regarding the division of the 11 seats up for election.
It's worth bearing in mind that all factions have roughly equal support in the community at this point as we work together this term.
It's worth bearing in mind that all factions have roughly equal support in the community at this point as we work together this term.
Hmmm. I don't read it quite that way. A more precise and less misleading statement might be: "Among the less than 50% of our citizens who voted in the last election, approximately equal numbers had a first preference for each faction that contested the election." I supposed you could also say something a little less formal like "Among citizens in our community who were engaged and motivated enough to vote, approximately equal numbers had a first preference for each faction."
Cindy]]>
It's worth bearing in mind that all factions have roughly equal support in the community at this point as we work together this term.]]>
The SC has approved my posting the election data -- but the silly forum software won't let me attach the file, so I am linking to it here:
http://conchis.org/cds-election/votes.txt
The attached file is tab-delimited with one line per registered vote. The first three columns are the faction ids in preference order. The 5 through the end of the line are the candidate names in preference order. No voter ids are included, and the votes are in random order.
Best,
Jonathan]]>
Thurs 25 Feb at 2pm SLT in the Old Church Ruins, Neufreistadt.
- Agenda
1. RA Meetings - tone & handling
2. Priorities for the term. What should we propose next?
3. Working with our new Chancellor. What's on our wish list?
4. Any other business
Colour-coding is nice (I used to do this too) but let's take care about the extra duties we load on other people - especially when the script might need manual fixing as Rose describes. We have been more careful in recent years to acknowledge the fact that we are a volunteer organisation and that everyone who 'works' for the CDS is doing this in their free time. It's easy to say "It would be better if it was done like this" but that means that someone has to go to extra trouble to deliver it for us. It's only fair that we bear that in mind when making the request or commenting on what has been delivered.]]>
For me it´s nearly impossible to read what Sonja said. Looks like a good joke that of all people her speech is invisible
Is there a way to change that?
Not only the RA might have to look it up later, it also is one of the first things interested people might see when visiting our portal.
Lilith]]>
i'm just jealous. we only got the cold. Enough of that already!]]>
Cindy]]>
[10:48] Sonja Strom: Now I have been in the CDS for over 3 years -
[10:48] Sonja Strom: I have served in the Representative Assembly for three terms.
[10:48] Sonja Strom: I have been a trustworthy citizen of the CDS,
[10:49] Sonja Strom: being quite open about my perspectives on things in the open forums,
[10:49] Sonja Strom: being willing to let everybody know my thoughts and views as a matter of public record.
[10:49] Sonja Strom: I have been a Caretaker of the CDS,
[10:50] Sonja Strom: and a Faction Leader.
[10:50] Sonja Strom: I have also been active in Second Life in general.
[10:50] Sonja Strom: I used to own a very highly respected dance club,
[10:51] Sonja Strom: and have helped to build other communities as well as this one.
[10:51] Sonja Strom: The way I want to continue to help to build this one is in partnership with all of you
[10:51] Sonja Strom: Thank you very much for your trust in me.
[10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you!!
[10:51] Sonja Strom bows
[10:52] Mikelo Serevi claps heartily
[10:52] Timo Gufler claps
[10:52] Patroklus Murakami applauds
[10:52] Fern Leissa: claps
[10:52] Imotali Antiesse: claps claps claps
[10:52] Pip Torok cheers heartily
[10:52] Arria Perreault: Thank you, Sonja
[10:52] Lilith Ivory applauds
[10:52] Keila Forager claps
[10:52] Ulysse Alexandre applauds
[10:52] Solomon Mosely: yay!, clapity clap clap
[10:52] Cindy Ecksol: .mem claps
[10:52] Jamie Palisades: I miss contakt! (the club)
[10:52] Sonja Strom:
[10:53] Arria Perreault: Now I will I will give to RA members the opportunity to ask questions to the candidate
[10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have 2 questions lol
[10:53] Arria Perreault: who will the floor?
[10:54] Patroklus Murakami: greedy gwyn
[10:54] Arria Perreault: thank you, Gwyn
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: always, Pat
[10:54] Arria Perreault: you have the floor
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
[10:54] Patroklus Murakami raises hand to ask question later
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One is very simple..
[10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's usual (not obligatory) that Chancellors will present their teams for the Executive,
[10:54] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I have a question too
[10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: since at least events are the heart and soul of the CDS, I wonder if you have a name in mind for PIO?
[10:55] Arria Perreault: I will give you the floor, Stui, after SOnj'as answer
[10:55] Sonja Strom: This is a good question Gwyneth.
[10:56] Arria Perreault: Pat first, then Stui
[10:56] Sonja Strom: The CDS has had very good PIOs in the past,
[10:57] Sonja Strom: and I would be happy if they would continue to support this community in the way that is enjoyable for them...
[10:57] Carolyn Saarinen: One from me too.
[10:57] Arria Perreault: ok, Caro
[10:57] Sonja Strom: if they would like to do so, and if anybody else would like to participate and help to make this community a fun and successful one,
[10:57] Sonja Strom: I would be happy to hear from them.
[10:58] Arria Perreault: Gwyn, your second question
[10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
[10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The second one is more tricky lol
[10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since you're also a community manager of Arosa, Sonja,
[10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if you're splitting your time between the CDS and Arosa,
[10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or planning for Arosa to join the CDS at some point too?
[11:00] Solomon Mosely took that as a given
[11:00] Sonja Strom: When I first left Help Island I looked for a mountain community...
[11:00] Sonja Strom: and did not really find one
[11:01] Sonja Strom: I thought about starting a mountain village somewhere,
[11:01] Sonja Strom: but then found Neufreistadt
[11:02] Sonja Strom: I decided to see if I could help direct Neufreistadt toward my vision
[11:02] Sonja Strom: but found my doing that was not widely popular in the CDS
[11:03] Sonja Strom: there were a few people who also wanted it to be an alpine town,
[11:03] Sonja Strom: but more who did not really want mountains to be made around it or near it
[11:03] Sonja Strom: so I began looking for if there could be a way I could move forward with my original concept,
[11:04] Sonja Strom: and I founded Arosa,
[11:04] Sonja Strom: intending for it possibly to become the first mainland area of the CDS,
[11:04] Sonja Strom: what in the CDS Constitution is described as a franchulate.
[11:05] Sonja Strom: I like both the CDS and Arosa, and I see no reason why they can not work together.
[11:05] Sonja Strom: I believe most of us here are involved in other aspects of SL outside of the CDS,
[11:05] Keila Forager: But for you , could be a conflict of interest..
[11:05] Sonja Strom: and they can all compliment each other.
[11:06] Sonja Strom: Keila, I don't see it as a conflict of interest, any more than your property next to Arosa is for you.
[11:06] Arria Perreault: Thank you, Sonja. Patroklus now
[11:06] Patroklus Murakami: ty arria
[11:07] Patroklus Murakami: my question is about completing the merger between CDS and Al Andalus
[11:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you
[11:07] Patroklus Murakami: i think we have completed some of the process but, in some ways, it still feels like we are a bit separate
[11:08] Patroklus Murakami: what would you do to complete teh realisation of the merger? to find truly one community which respects the traditions of both?
[11:08] Sonja Strom: Patroklus, I agree this is a very important issue in the CDS at the moment,
[11:08] Sonja Strom: and for this term.
[11:09] Sonja Strom: One thing I see is,
[11:09] Sonja Strom: the community will need to decide what it wants for itself,
[11:09] Sonja Strom: and I, as a public servant, will do what I can to help the community to realise its dreams.
[11:10] Sonja Strom: From my perspective,
[11:10] Sonja Strom: there are two major issues that would be helpful to have resolved this term...
[11:11] Sonja Strom: One is for the definition of who is a CDS citizen to be agreed upon,
[11:11] Sonja Strom: so everybody knows what their status is in this regard.
[11:12] Sonja Strom: Another is for the relationship of the Al Andalus sims within the CDS to be agreed upon in a way that leaves as many of the residents as possible happy with this relationship.
[11:13] Sonja Strom: I believe mostly these issues will be something for the RA to work on this term, but I will do whatever I can to be helpful.
[11:13] Sonja Strom: Thank you for working together on them
[11:13] Rose Springvale wonders what is left to be determined
[11:13] Arria Perreault: Thank you. Stui has a question.
[11:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: What does AA mean to you and to your vision of CDS? How does it feature in the future of the Greater body of the CDS? How do you plan to assist the community there ? What is the issues for you in the life of AA? And what does AA bring to CDS ?
[11:14] Sonja Strom: Stui, it seems to me there is more than one question there...
[11:14] Arria Perreault: 4 questions
[11:14] Sonja Strom: but I will address your concerns.
[11:14] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I wasn't elected for my mathematical capabilities
[11:15] StuiChicanne Darkstone: just my ability to speak
[11:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: he he
[11:15] Timo Gufler:
[11:15] Sonja Strom: As I said earlier my interest in participating in Second Life is mostly community building,
[11:15] Sonja Strom: and helping people to have things be how they want them to be...
[11:15] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we can hold lessons in counting
[11:15] Sonja Strom: this is my persspective on Al Andalus.
[11:16] Sonja Strom: Al Andalus is a beautiful place,
[11:16] Sonja Strom: representing a rich history in RL and in SL.
[11:16] Sonja Strom: Although it used to be in competition with the CDS I always supported it,
[11:16] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:16] Sonja Strom: and went there to events and so on,
[11:16] Sonja Strom: because I liked it,
[11:17] Sonja Strom: and I liked the people involved in it.
[11:17] Sonja Strom: When the opportunity came up for Al Andalus to join the Confederation of Democratic Sims,
[11:18] Sonja Strom: I was in the RA, and I supported this from the beginning to where we are now.
[11:18] Sonja Strom: My thinking about supporting Al Andalus is that it is now a valuable part of the CDS.
[11:19] Sonja Strom: It seems to me we can make this community even greater than it is already,
[11:19] Carolyn Saarinen: Valuable how, to echo Stui's last point?
[11:19] Sonja Strom: which mostly will come out of our participation in it.
[11:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: if my memory serves correct, CDS representation at events wavered after a point...
[11:20] Sonja Strom: Carolyn, do you think I have not expressed that I think Al Andalus is a valuable part of the CDS?
[11:22] Arria Perreault: Carolyn, you had a question too?
[11:22] StuiChicanne Darkstone: my question relates to my wondering whether AA will become the CDS toy that got boring
[11:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[11:23] Arria Perreault: Stui, you got an answer from SOnja
[11:23] Sonja Strom: My perspective on that Stui,
[11:23] Sonja Strom: (thanks Arria)
[11:23] Sonja Strom: is that Al Andalus is a community,
[11:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I was inviting more detail to be given
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: not asking for a response
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: merely passing comment
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: as is my right
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I am a citizen
[11:24] Sonja Strom: yes Stui,
[11:24] Carolyn Saarinen: My original question was keila's
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and a member of the TA
[11:24] Arria Perreault: thank you, Caro
[11:24] Sonja Strom: but is it a question of me, or of the RA?
[11:24] Patroklus Murakami: The Territorial Army?
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: or does this LRA prefer my thoughts not be explored ?
[11:24] Patroklus Murakami is puzzled
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: RA
[11:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Pat
[11:25] Patroklus Murakami: oh, i see
[11:25] Rose Springvale: is this meeting timed?
[11:25] Cindy Ecksol thought it might be the "T&A Club"
[11:25] StuiChicanne Darkstone: anyone can typo
[11:25] Arria Perreault: I suggest Sonja answers Stui's last question
[11:25] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's down to you to be a pedant
[11:25] Mikelo Serevi isn't sure what stui is getting at
[11:25] Gelf Yalin: I think Stui the wording of your question is once again offensive...that somehow the CDS thinks of AA as a "toy"
[11:25] Sonja Strom: I will be happy to give my own answer, if that is what is wanted.
[11:25] Gelf Yalin: your question is not productive and is simply an attach
[11:25] Gelf Yalin: attack
[11:25] StuiChicanne Darkstone: my wording is direct
[11:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: nothign more or less than that
[11:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: offence is personal choice
[11:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: politics is about action
[11:26] Arria Perreault: Sonja has the floor for an answer, Stui
[11:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh, I like that, Stui
very true hehe[11:26] Keila Forager: Yay Stui
[11:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I ask directly so that I get the answer
[11:26] Patroklus Murakami waits to hear sonja...
[11:27] Keila Forager: Sonja, your answers are general and vague, at least to me. I think he wants specifics..
[11:27] Sonja Strom: Stui, you are asking me to answer your question of how I view Al Andalus within the CDS?
[11:28] StuiChicanne Darkstone: yes and it's relevance
[11:28] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and how you will make it as much a focus as any of the sims
[11:29] Sonja Strom: My perspective is that the whole of the CDS is a community,
[11:29] Sonja Strom: made up of three different thematic communities
[11:29] Sonja Strom: one of which is Al Andalus.
[11:29] Sonja Strom: The community of Al Andalus is made up of people -
[11:29] Sonja Strom: People who bring a lot to the CDS,
[11:30] Sonja Strom: including culture, values, ideas, concepts,
[11:30] Sonja Strom: and anything else they choose to bring to it from their participation in it.
[11:30] Pip Torok notes that Stui raises the possibility of one community _toying_ with another ... and is not happy
[11:31] Sonja Strom: The value of our community comes from our participation, which is why I am here standing before you.
[11:31] Arria Perreault: thank you Sonja for your answers
[11:31] Arria Perreault: anything to add?
[11:31] StuiChicanne Darkstone: **'`*`'** Stui **'`*`'**
[11:31] StuiChicanne Darkstone: is pleased that he is not here to please people but to represent the community and it's diversity without the need for sugar coating for those easily offended
[11:31] Sonja Strom: Have I answered your question Stui?
[11:32] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well to a point
[11:32] Arria Perreault: Ok
[11:32] Sonja Strom: What part would you like for me to address more?
[11:32] StuiChicanne Darkstone: the distance between detail and generic
[11:33] Mikelo Serevi notes that people's time is not invaluable
[11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn would suggest a more complete answer on the forums; we *do* have a time limit on these sessions
[11:33] StuiChicanne Darkstone: when one stands under an umbrella he cannot record specific raindrops
[11:33] Arria Perreault: Stui, I am watching the clock ...
[11:33] Timo Gufler seconds Gwyn
[11:33] Patroklus Murakami: yes, i will need to go soon. it woudl be good to make progress
[11:33] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but he would notice one in the eye if he had no umbrella
[11:33] Arria Perreault: Time to move
[11:33] Gelf Yalin: you are onI motion to close discussion
[11:33] Gelf Yalin: I motion to close discussion
[11:34] Rose Springvale: wow, lots of people still in line ...
[11:34] Pip Torok: second
[11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds
[11:34] Sonja Strom: One thing I can see there Stui is, the New Guild can work together with Al Andalus to make for more and better building by sharing the talents of builders accross the CDS.
[11:34] Arria Perreault: we vote on the motion
[11:34] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[11:34] Timo Gufler: aye
[11:34] Pip Torok: aye
[11:34] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[11:34] Gelf Yalin: aye
[11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[11:34] Imotali Antiesse: aye
[11:35] Rose Springvale: this is the motion to cut off discussion? sorry, no one restated
[11:35] Gelf Yalin: yes
[11:35] Mikelo Serevi: yes, as the discussion is going nowhere
[11:35] Mikelo Serevi: not to sugar coat it
[11:35] Cindy Ecksol shrugs
[11:35] Arria Perreault: Caro, Stui, Lilith?
[11:35] Rose Springvale: i see. thanks .. thought the citizens had a chance to ask questions. but w'e
[11:36] Cindy Ecksol notes a lot of people with questions still in line....including that no one asked the citizens if they have questions
[11:36] Patroklus Murakami: we've been here two and a half hours folks!
[11:36] Rose Springvale: so ?
[11:36] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'd probably be rather silly to adjourn after opening the meeting asking for the concerns of a citizen to be heard first and then for none to be heard at all
[11:36] Gelf Yalin: thinks that most of these questions are better for other forums
[11:36] Lilith Ivory: I don't think we should cut off disussing while there still are questions
[11:36] StuiChicanne Darkstone: all because we haven't had time to serve the purpose
[11:37] Gelf Yalin: this has gone on long enough
[11:37] Patroklus Murakami: if so much time hadn't been wasted earlier...
[11:37] Pip Torok agrees with Gelf
[11:37] Gelf Yalin: then vote nay if you disagree
[11:37] StuiChicanne Darkstone: waste is a matter of opinion
[11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Gelf has a point; if you think we should go on, just vote nay
[11:37] Arria Perreault: Caro, Stui, Lilith, your vote, please
[11:37] Solomon Mosely: like taking a vote to say thank you?
[11:37] StuiChicanne Darkstone: nay
[11:37] Lilith Ivory: nay
[11:38] Arria Perreault: aye
[11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn tickles Caro
[11:38] Sonja Strom: I am here at the discretion of the RA, but one point I could maybe bring up is, the Chancellor does not determine the course of direction for the CDS...
[11:38] Arria Perreault: 8 aye, 3 nay, motion carries
[11:38] Sonja Strom: The Representative Assembly does.
[11:38] Arria Perreault: e move to the election now
[11:38] Arria Perreault: we*
[11:39] Lilith Ivory: how can we elect Sonja while there are open questions?
[11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[11:39] Gelf Yalin: the vote on ending discussion is over
[11:39] Carolyn Saarinen: sorry briefly afk
[11:40] Gelf Yalin: time for election
[11:40] Carolyn Saarinen: not that it makes much difference eh?
[11:40] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's ok Caro we've been ushered out already
[11:40] StuiChicanne Darkstone: your question was out of time
[11:40] Sonja Strom: If the Representative Assembly does not want me to serve, I will stand down.
[11:40] StuiChicanne Darkstone: owing to my curiosity
[11:40] Gelf Yalin: yes you are always the victim poor Stui
[11:40] Timo Gufler: there were many good questions and answers, it's time to move on now
[11:40] Sonja Strom: If that is the case, then there is no point in my continuing to be here.
[11:41] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I motion for a vote to apologise to you
[11:41] Gelf Yalin: I vote for Sonja
[11:41] Arria Perreault: I call a vote in favour or against the election of Sonja Strom as Chancellor of CDS
[11:41] Gelf Yalin: second
[11:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we did 45 mins of Q&A... the agenda mentioned 20 mins for the whole election process
[11:41] Patroklus Murakami: i vote for sonja
[11:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I vote for Sonja
[11:41] Pip Torok: I vote for Son ja
[11:41] Rose Springvale: smile, so the citizens are not heard, again.
[11:42] Mikelo Serevi: I vote for Sonja
[11:42] Timo Gufler: I vote for Sonja also
[11:42] Lilith Ivory: aye for Sonja
[11:42] Rose Springvale: we get the nomination on the forums one day before, nad no opportunity to discuass
[11:42] Rose Springvale: sigh
[11:42] Carolyn Saarinen: abstain
[11:42] Imotali Antiesse: aye for Sonja
[11:42] Keila Forager: It's the way of the RA Rose
[11:42] Solomon Mosely: seriously?
[11:42] Solomon Mosely: this is ok?
[11:43] Arria Perreault: Stui?
[11:43] Mikelo Serevi: That is not true, rose, we followed the established process
[11:43] Rose Springvale: ha
[11:43] Rose Springvale: the constitution had a process
[11:43] Rose Springvale: this RA has changed process each meeting so far
[11:43] Patroklus Murakami notes that ppl were a little more gracious when jamie was elected
[11:43] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I give AP the right to pass the verdict without my voting on account that it will be done regardless of the logic or my response
[11:43] Patroklus Murakami: i would hope we could return to some civility in proceedings
[11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
[11:43] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and regardless of the questions of the RA
[11:44] Arria Perreault: I vote for Sonja
[11:44] Rose Springvale: jamie didn't have conficts of interest that have not been discussed, sorry pat. where ar the tender flowers now?
[11:44] Carolyn Saarinen digs out her CDS dictionary and looks 'gracious'...
[11:44] StuiChicanne Darkstone: all because the agenda says 20 mins
[11:44] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we must be more careful in future to study the agenda
[11:44] Pip Torok: They're here, Rose
[11:44] Gelf Yalin: you didn't ask questions Stui, only made attacks for the purpose of being disruptive.....next time how about organizing yourself and putting forth and candidate....
[11:44] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it might be more convenient to the RA to serve it's purpose then
[11:44] Arria Perreault: Congratulation, Sonja
[11:44] StuiChicanne Darkstone: semantics Gelf
[11:44] StuiChicanne Darkstone: your view
[11:44] Gelf Yalin: rather than taking the easy road and being a troll
[11:45] Mikelo Serevi: Congratulations, Sona
[11:45] StuiChicanne Darkstone: your opinion
[11:45] Keila Forager: congrats Sonja
[11:45] Arria Perreault: Please, this is an important moment for our community
[11:45] Sonja Strom: Thank you
[11:45] Timo Gufler: Congratulations, Sonja!!
[11:45] Carolyn Saarinen: Whoah, fight fight fight!
[11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: congratulations, Sonja
[11:45] Patroklus Murakami: yes, congratulations sonja
i look forward to working with you this term[11:45] Mikelo Serevi: I also feel stui was being disruptive
[11:45] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and the beauty of democracy is we all have the right to speak
[11:45] Gelf Yalin: congrats Sonja!
[11:45] Tanha Core: congats, have a successful term
[11:45] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Mikelo if you feel that way
[11:45] Junius Inaka: claps!
[11:45] Ulysse Alexandre congratulation Sonia
[11:45] Gelf Yalin: and you also have the right to be outvoted and lose
[11:45] Mikelo Serevi: Yay Sonja!
[11:45] Rose Springvale: Thank you stui, for representing those of us hw didn't get a chance to speak
[11:45] Gelf Yalin: cplas!
[11:45] Pip Torok: congratulations !!!!!
[11:45] Keila Forager: Stui was asking for a concise answer, not general and vague..
[11:45] Rose Springvale: gelf, welcome to the community
[11:45] StuiChicanne Darkstone: outvoted
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: that would be a joke
[11:46] Patroklus Murakami: could we try to keep things polite? we don't need to mar the beginning of a new chancelor's term in this way
[11:46] Gelf Yalin: thank you Rose!
[11:46] Carolyn Saarinen: yeah Gelf, that's democracy in action. Or something
[11:46] Jamie Palisades claps. Please join me in warmly congratulating Sonja and pledging to help her do a good job for us all
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: on account that we voted prematurely
[11:46] Arria Perreault: Please, we have a Chancellor now
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: with a lack of facts
[11:46] Cindy Ecksol applauds for Sonja
[11:46] Keila Forager claps for Sonja..
[11:46] Solomon Mosely: the issue isnt with sonja, but this process
[11:46] Mikelo Serevi: We're lucky to have Sonja, and I honestly don't see what the problem is
[11:46] Sonja Strom: For all who still have questions about my views and thoughts, I will stay here to talk with them.
[11:46] Arria Perreault: I ask for some solemnity for her oath
[11:46] Keila Forager: we have always had a chancellor, just a new one now..
[11:46] Rose Springvale: well, good. i hope you never have to find out
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: a chancellor i elected after a campaign and a choice
[11:47] Carolyn Saarinen: 'gracious' 'civility' 'polite' Is that you Pat or an imposter?
[11:47] StuiChicanne Darkstone: not in the short cut of one and the absence of the other
[11:47] Arria Perreault: Please
[11:47] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Democracy must be the term for representation of the people in accordance to the stop watch
[11:48] Gelf Yalin: Stui just accept that you lost and move on
[11:48] Gelf Yalin: its okay
[11:48] Gelf Yalin: we can all be freinds now
[11:48] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Gelf do not patronise me
[11:48] Fern Leissa: claps for Sonja
[11:48] Delia Lake: congratulations Sonja
[11:48] Mikelo Serevi: Sonja is taking the oath here...
[11:48] Arria Perreault: Sonja, we will ask you to swear to respect our Constitution
[11:48] Gelf Yalin: no I am being frank
[11:49] StuiChicanne Darkstone: you had the option to do as I did
[11:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Please... with due respect, and not wishing to feel that I'm 'interrupting' anything... can we go on with the ceremony?
[11:49] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I did not break any rules
[11:49] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but others here did
[11:49] Sonja Strom: Thanks again everybody for your support in making this a wonderful community for all of us.
[11:49] Solomon Mosely: wait, how can we continue with this spirit in the room?
[11:49] Pip Torok supports Gwyneth
[11:49] Soro Dagostino: Its fated Solomen
[11:50] Arria Perreault: Sonja, will you respect our Constitution in your position of Chancellor?
[11:50] Arria Perreault: I, NAME , having been elected as Chancellor of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[11:51] Solomon Mosely: i mean, i'm not against sonja, i'm no lawyer, but something feels very wrong here
[11:51] Soro Dagostino: No agenda posted
[11:51] Sonja Strom: I will be happy to make this declaration,
[11:51] Arria Perreault: Please
[11:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Soro: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2709
[11:51] Solomon Mosely: i'm flashing bac to florida
[11:52] Sonja Strom: but there are citizens here who don't want me to?
[11:52] Arria Perreault: The RA elects the Chancellor, SOnja
[11:52] Sonja Strom: If this is the case, I can stand down.
[11:52] Solomon Mosely: i dont think you're specifically at issue here sonja
[11:52] Arria Perreault: the citizen have elected us
[11:53] Mikelo Serevi: I think Sonja deserves more respect than this
[11:53] Timo Gufler: absolutely!
[11:53] Gelf Yalin: yes!
[11:53] Sonja Strom: The only reason why I would want to serve the community in the position of Chancellor is to help.
[11:53] Sonja Strom: If my help is not wanted, then I can go elsewhere.
[11:53] Solomon Mosely: its terrible you're caught standing in this, and i admire your grace through it, but there are several respected, conficting opinions here
[11:53] Pip Torok: imo that opinions the one by the overwhelming majority
[11:54] Patroklus Murakami: i'm afraid i must go. congratulations to sonja. i think we need to work on building bridges and understanding why some ppl are so upset with this result. but sonja is our new chancellor and should be given our support
[11:54] Arria Perreault: We are in a oath ceremony. I ask for some respect
[11:54] Arria Perreault: thank you
[11:54] Patroklus Murakami: this kind of disruption is what ppl have been spending two or more years trying to get beyond!
[11:55] Arria Perreault: Sonja, you can make your declaration
[11:55] Sonja Strom: Does anyone else in this room want to be here in my place?
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[11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed ...
[11:56] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Sonja I don't stand against your candidacy
[11:56] StuiChicanne Darkstone: or say that you couldn't or shouldn't be the chancellor
[11:56] Gelf Yalin: then please lets finish the oath......
[11:56] Arria Perreault: now we can finish the aoth
[11:57] Arria Perreault: Sonja
[11:57] Sonja Strom: Alright, I will
[11:57] Sonja Strom: I, Sonja Strom , having been elected as Chancellor of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[11:58] Sonja Strom: Thank you.
[11:58] Arria Perreault: thank you, SOnja
[11:58] Gelf Yalin: yea!!!!!
[11:58] Mikelo Serevi: Thank you, Sonja!
[11:58] Imotali Antiesse: APPLAUSSSEEEE
[11:58] Patroklus Murakami applauds
[11:58] Mikelo Serevi: Applauds!!!
[11:58] Junius Inaka: claps!!
[11:58] Arria Perreault: and congratulations
[11:58] Timo Gufler applauds!!!
[11:58] Pip Torok: APPLAUSE ....
))[11:58] Arria Perreault:
[11:58] Sonja Strom:
[11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn applauds and congratulates again
[11:58] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I thank Sonja, but I do not thank the RA
[11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: whew, that was tough...
[11:58] Imotali Antiesse: Congrats Sonja
[11:58] Patroklus Murakami: and i'm afraid i must go due to RL
[11:58] Ulysse Alexandre applauds
[11:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye, Pat
[11:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn moves a motion to finish for today..
[11:59] Arria Perreault: ty Gwyn
[11:59] Rose Springvale: again, the citizens are lost
[11:59] Arria Perreault: any second?
[11:59] Rose Springvale: becasues this is the RA of the few.
[11:59] Timo Gufler: seconds
[11:59] Mikelo Serevi: second
[11:59] Pip Torok: second
[12:00] Arria Perreault: vote please
[12:00] Keila Forager: and forget the rest of the agenda??
[12:00] Mikelo Serevi: aye
[12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[12:00] Timo Gufler: aye
[12:00] Pip Torok: aye
[12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, Keila, it gets tabled for the next meeting automatically)
[12:00] StuiChicanne Darkstone: don't involve me in this
[12:00] Keila Forager: yippee.
[12:01] Arria Perreault: other votes?
[12:01] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:01] Carolyn Saarinen: abstain
[12:02] Arria Perreault: aye
[12:03] Soro Dagostino: RL calls.
[12:03] Arria Perreault: I think with 6 aye, we are adjourned
[12:03] Fern Leissa: Bye Soro
[12:03] Rose Springvale: congratulations sonja
[12:03] Jamie Palisades: See you all at the .Inaugural Ball
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