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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Aliasi Stonebender</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Gwyneth Llewelyn wrote:</cite>Aww, don't be too harsh on Carolyn, Aliasi <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> I, for one, am not offended — I've known Caro well before she ever joined AA, and that's just the way she always talks. She has always said <span style="font-style: italic">exactly</span> what she thinks without flourishes or subtlety with accurate meaning; and I can appreciate that! Aye, even if it's targeted at me...<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br />&quot;Aw, they're just that way&quot; is not adequate excuse for being a jerk. <span style="font-style: italic">I</span> am a jerk and I make the effort to bite my tongue quite a lot.<br /><br />In any case, it's merely a slap on the wrist. Given the usual pace of these forums I suspect it would be very easy to not even notice you'd been banned.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm just wondering if the New Guild is still active. Will there be any meetings soon, and is there anything in the works now?]]></description>
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            <title>Representative Assembly Announcements :: Re: Transcript, RA meeting July 29, 2010 :: Reply by ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[[12:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Given the the Chancellor, Treasurer and the people assembled in commission meetings find the current collection rules ineffective, confusing and a hindrance to the effective management of tier collection, the following amendments are proposed to the Land Sales Reclamation Act.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set (by posting to the CDS Forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter. The due date will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments. Landowoners must contact the treasurer directly to arrange pre-payment as necessary.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">2. The CDS Executive Branch shall provide for notice (which may be by IM or notecard) to each land owner when they have failed to pay tier rental by the established due date within 5 days of the delinquency.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full.</span></span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">4. CDS has the right to make public the lists of provisional citizens from time to time, as reasonably needed for its administration of government.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">DELETE 5. One calendar month after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall send another notice to the landowner warning of imminent reclamation (loss of the land). Fourteen days after that 1-month notice is sent, the CDS Executive Branch shall re-take ownership of the land, and the owner shall be removed from 'provisional citizen' status. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. All objects on the parcel at the time of reclamation shall be returned, and a notic</span><br />[12:51] <span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: a notice of the reclamation sent to the landowner.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD 5. Fourteen days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be be returned to the landowner and the parcels be set for re-sale</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">DELETE 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, and reaches the one-month notice above, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above. However, this paragraph 6 shall only be in force on and after the date on which CDS government has posted a method by which absent landowners can effectively prepay rent, in amounts at least up to 3 months' in advance.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">7. The CDS Executive Branch is encouraged</span><br />[12:52] <span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: to take reasonable additional steps to notify citizens of past due amounts and all other matters described in this Act, but timely rent payment primarily is the citizen's responsibility to monitor.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">8. This law repeals any provisions of prior CDS laws (including NL 7-6 [http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=208]) that specify land reclamation or rent payment methods, to the extent that they contradict the explicit terms of this law.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">Adopted by the RA 4 January 2009</span><br />[12:52] <span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: now we have a motion and a second. Ready to vote?<br />[12:52] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: second</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh no i cant</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: its been seconded</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i'll call the vote then. All in favor of the motion as amended</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor Karlsvalt is hoping this ends soon</span></span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: please say aye</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: aye</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen /mefrowns</span></span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: gwyn, arria?</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles...</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hmm</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oops</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye aye</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: lol</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: sorry!</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: aye</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: chair also vote aye, and motion carries!</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: congratulations <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and Pip?</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Thank you for your diligence .. he voted aye</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: have voted</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he did vote, sorry</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hooray</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: That concludes todays business</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen raises her hand</span></span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so yes Calli?</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we will give you a notecard, don't worry</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: I am sorry if I missed some section of text in lag, but hwat happened to that whole paragraph about boxes being opn no later than 5 days before due date, the addition to 1?</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hmm, i think that's going to have to be administrative implementation...</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: .... aye and crash.... hehe</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: do we have language on when boxes are open?</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: or shall we leave to the discretion of the Exec office</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: actually</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it is left to the treasure</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn lost the past few minutes of discussion, sorry</span></span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: in large part</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: sent gwyn</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: thank you</span><br />[12:59]  Callipygian Christensen: so this was dropped: [12:45] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set, (by posting to the CDS forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter. The due date will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments. Landowoners must contact the treasurer directly to arrange pre-payment as necessary.</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: that last sentence</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: no, that is in, isn't it?</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: It's supposed to be in!</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: some of it might have gotten truncated</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: when you posted rose.</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: this is what you voted on:</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, its in, at 12:45 on my screen</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: Rose Springvale: motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Given the the Chancellor, Treasurer and the people assembled in commission meetings find the current collection rules ineffective, confusing and a hindrance to the effective management of tier collection, the following amendments are proposed to the Land Sales Reclamation Act.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set (by posting to the CDS Forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter.</span></span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hmm</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oopsie</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the notecard is right lol</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: maybe my paste got messed up again.</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: we can definitely re-post what is RIGHT and just ask a vote again to make sure</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i think there is a character limit in local chat</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (yes, Tor, there is)</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: well I am just concerned that the transcript hold the full law</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: did everyone get the notecard?</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: nope <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /></span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: I did</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, we'll add it to the transcript.</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: There isn't an all clear on the grid yet, so that may be the problem</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: was there a warning earlier?</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Yes..</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: is the notecard in the box?</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes Lilith</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not yet, tor was handing out the new one</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh ool</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: oh sorry .. I misled you</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, lets just confirm that we were voting on the language calli cited</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: because i can't paste again lol</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes, please</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn confirms she was voting on the language Calli cited.</span></span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i'll put it in the transcript thread, if that's NOT what you voted on, make sure to note it in 7 day vote</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we lost kas</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we've lost kas, yes</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: uh oh</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Ra fighting it´s way through hip deep lag</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: lol</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if you all confirm now, then we can just clear with kas</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and we can ajourn <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: aye</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and the RA members concerns?</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: thank you</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, we can do that next arria</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we did not had a published agenda for today</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, it was the continuation from last week. and here is kas, so we can revote <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yay</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yay</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: ok, what'd I miss?</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: all in favor of the motion as amended with the language calli pasted, say aye please</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye please</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: abstains</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: just confirming the vote</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: aye</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (lol Kas)</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: arria, you voted in favor before, not confirming the language?</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: sorry</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: aye</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think that is everyone... i also am aye</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: other concerns of RA?</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Yes — <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=3016">viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=3016</a><!-- l --></span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: woot</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: &lt; relief &gt; .....</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Delia asks us the following:</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: This discussion is a continuation of item 1. of the 26 July 2010 SC meeting. The SC has been asked by the LRA to set dates for the bi-election on account of the resignations of StuiChicanne Darkstone and Patroklus Murakami. Please 1. approve dates for the 13th RA bi-election proposed by Claude Desmoulis: Candidate declaration on August 1st, polls open on August 8th, polls close on August 15th (schedule for the by-election); or 2. Propose a different set of dates for approval.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Please weigh in ASAP, and not later than Thursday 29 July.</span></span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Motion to accept the dates?</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Second!</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it's very short</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (very)</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Move to accept</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: second</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: no</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: you are oo quick</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: too</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe — do you have any problem with the dates, Arria?</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: discussion?</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the delay is very short</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Apoligies, but I'm going to have to leave in 5 minutes - I'm late for an RL appointment</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well, we shouldn't have a crippled RA for long.</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, but it's summertime</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: There are 2 weeks for campaigning</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks kas</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, but for announcing ...</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: i's very short</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well all the better</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok, what other dates would you suggest then?</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think a short time period is okay... there are only two positions open</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: get it done</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: one more week</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry agrees with Tor</span></span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I really wouldn't like to leave the RA with open seats <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /></span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we will be in summer for a while yet. in texas, a long while <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh right</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Till December, rose..LOL</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Pat said he stay until we elect someone</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: agrees with Tor considering its soon to the end of term</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: he's officially resigned</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Arria, I disagree that a week makes a difference.</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: My resignation will be effective from the day the polls open for the by-election (which can now be for two seats instead of one).</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Who is taing vacations in August will either not be here... or be here</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: can we elect someone while he is still on office?</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: No, he officially resigned, Tor</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: thought so</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: .</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: So either we push the elections to September (using the argument that August is a bad month), or it's pointless to postpone really</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think the SC considered the issues and sent us dates that work for them</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so would support the dates they've given us</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: did Delia sent a notice to appeal candidacies?</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we had a second.</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: an in-word notice?</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: no idea what that means</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: lets vote</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we are in discussion unless someone calls the question Tor</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: call the question</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: many of you think forums are not a good commun ication</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I want to add a week</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well, the SC can't set the dates without us agreeing <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we now have a motion called. All in favor of accepting the SC dates for the by election, say aye</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: nay</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: pip?</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: aye</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: chair votes aye and it goes to 7 day.</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: any other business?</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: must go - sorry, all!</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks kas!</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: cu Kas</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: bye kas</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I hope not <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> I need to go too <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: bye Kaseido</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: bye!</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen returns and eeks</span></span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: see you, Kas!</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: bye kas</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes Arrias concern ...</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we are inquorate now, so unless we want to chat, we are adjourned</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Next meeting will Feature the Election commission</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: at least we can hear Arrias concern ...</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: In that case, I don't think Delia was posting that as something to be voted on, although I may be msitaken</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think she stated it didn't she?</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: She asked us to approve the dates or suggest different ones.</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles. was moved into the meeting though Calli</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: well imo the timing constrained us to vote</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the question was called. no options</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: a 7 day vote can now mullipfy a campaign already in progress</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: nullify</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Hmm</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I want to say 2 things</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: That's true.</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: then we will need to have someone vote in favor fast <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: dont forget ... the current term has not long to run ...</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: I beleive Delia was posting it for input - but that the SC has the responsibility of the scheduling</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think the RA has ultimate responsibility ... gwyn do you know?</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: certainly up to the SC to review, if the motion passes</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well we only voted than to agree iwth the SC.</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we are officially off the record now, btw</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that is even better if they have final say</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: No... on by.-elections, SC sets the dates (I, 2 - Vacancies in RA positions will be filled by by-election administered on a schedule set by the Scientific Council consistent with other applicable CDS law.</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: We just voted to agree, yes</span>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[[12:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: It would do that, Kas</span><br />[12:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so we don't discriminate or bolox up the RA</span><br />[12:11] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Mh. Good question indeed... I think that at the time this piece of law was written, the worry was more about voting rights</span><br />[12:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i can see it now, subversive group stymies the RA by not paying tier til the 14th day!</span><br />[12:12] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh!</span><br />[12:12] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: lol!</span><br />[12:12] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: exactly!</span><br />[12:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: cured if we change to &quot;run for office&quot; or &quot;stand for election&quot;</span><br />[12:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok agrees</span></span><br />[12:13] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yep</span><br />[12:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Calli, when we finish with this, assuming it passes, please have the SC take a close look to see if we srewed anything up okay?</span><br />[12:13] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen nods</span></span><br />[12:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: then we can put the fix in Gwyns laws lol</span><br />[12:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Tor, how are you doing&gt; you need help?</span><br />[12:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[12:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ah, good</span><br />[12:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to run for office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.</span></span><br />[12:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: and for four</span><br />[12:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: no notice by im or notecard</span><br />[12:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. The treasure will notify the a delinquent landowner by the 5th of the month that tier is overdue and warn that reclamation will occur on the 14th of the month. At the 14th of the month, if tier is still outstanding, then objects will be returned and and all parcels will be reclaimed and set for re-saile.</span><br />[12:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: no notice</span><br />[12:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: just make it automatic</span><br />[12:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: Tor ... &quot;the a&quot; should be &quot;the&quot;</span><br />[12:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we send one when they are delinquent, but not again</span><br />[12:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and much as i hate to complicate, the language needs to be &quot;5th day after due date&quot; because we don't know what date the treasurer will set</span><br />[12:16] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: ok...</span><br />[12:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to run for office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full.</span><br />[12:17] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. The treasure will notify the delinquent landowner by the 5th of the month that tier is overdue and warn that reclamation will occur on the 14th of the month. At the 14th of the month, if tier is still outstanding, then objects will be returned and and all parcels will be reclaimed and set for re-saile.</span><br />[12:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i fixed the spelling of sale</span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: &quot;by the 5th day after due date&quot; <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oh</span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: within 5 days of the deliquency?</span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: and it would be &quot;At the 14th day after due date&quot; too</span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: That works for me, Ms Lawyer <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: It sounds more ominous... hehe</span><br />[12:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: copy and paste isnt' working for me anymore lol</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 3. By the fifth day after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to run for office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full.</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. The treasure will notify the delinquent landowner by the 5th day after the due date for the month that tier is overdue and warn that reclamation will occur on the 14th day after the due date. At the 14th day after the due date, if tier is still outstanding, then objects will be returned and and all parcels will be reclaimed and set for re-sale.</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: &quot;vote or run for office&quot; ?</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ohok</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: both</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes, both</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: both indeed.</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: does anyone know if the notices are sent by the treasurer or chancellor? I have never had the privilege of being late lol</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: but vote where? is that in issue</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I think it is the treasurer</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: in any election Tor</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: poor Rose</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: cds election</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray grins</span></span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not the RA</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: so simply &quot;vote&quot; is sufficient</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles at Rosie. I may try just to add to my life experiences!</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: CDS by-election or general election?</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: either</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: just cds election</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes either</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 3. By the fifth day after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote in any CDS election or run for office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full.</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen rasies her hand</span></span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yay!</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes Calli?</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: whew</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: if I am undertanding that wording correctly you are giving specila treamtment to RA members</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: well... and SC members.... they vote too <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: no, we are simply giving them the same treatment, and not paralyzing the RA</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: as a citizen I lose my right to vote if I am provisional..but a RA member who beocmes provisional can still vote on legislation</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: or commissions.... or New Guild</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if they lose their land, they no longer qualify for RA</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: but in the meantime, the represent other citizens who have not lost the right to representation</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: they*</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: True. So... at best they will only vote at the RA once (since the RA usually just meets every other week)</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ooooh</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: ok, thank you for the clarification</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: we could make them wear a title &quot;Delinquent&quot;</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: lol</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: brand them</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Rose Springvale points to debtors prison above</span></span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: can you script that Gwyn</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: The Scarlet D</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: on their foreheads?? <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes I can, Tor <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: it requires a 'bot but is doable <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /> hehe</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: anyway, forget it</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we have a tool for that outside the pratorium</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: stocks?</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: can I second the motion as amended?</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor Karlsvalt lol</span></span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not quite finished is it?</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oh....</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: sorry</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: want me to repost it?</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: just the changed wording for 6</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we need to deal with that mulitple parcel thing</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ah</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Yes, true</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: unless you have it all together !</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well 6 becomes 5</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i have it as</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 5. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above.</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we can delete it really</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we said we were going to add, &quot;so long as all tier is collected together&quot;</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: We can only delete it if we have a system that allows paying for all parcels automatically at the same time.</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Right</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it means that someone who doesnt pay can lose all the properties?</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: that's the law now arria</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Yes, Arria. In fact, that's what happens now, you cannot pay for separate parcels in the CDS sims</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: imo we should say he looses only the parcels he can´t pay for</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think we need to leave it, because i think its been taken advantage of before,and because anyone can abandon parcels any time</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: at the moment he has to pay for all at the same time</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well... the point is... if you can't pay for one parcel any longer, then just sell it...</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it's technically not possible in fact</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: our system doesn not allow for that</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: But that might change if we change the system, so I'd leave that point in the law\</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: or you need several avatars</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: or abandon it Gwyn. And if they want to change it, the need but change the system. yes</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok... so let's leave it and amend it as Rose suggested.</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: to put away this point?</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: So long as a citizens tier is paid collectively to the CDS system,</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: No... let it stay, and just add: &quot;so long as all tier is collected together&quot;</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: </span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oops</span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiels</span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: ADD 5. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above, so long as all tier is collected together.</span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the legislator has to look to the future <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: well, so long as tier for all parcels are collected by the CDS system as one payment</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok that pharse is at the end of the sentence?</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: operationally, no other way but to forfeit all</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: unless we change systems</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DD 5. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above, so long as all tier is collected together.</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we have to think about the principle</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: ADD 5. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above, so long as tier for all parcels are collected by the CDS system as one payment.</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thats it gwyn</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: collected together just makes it mushy</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: even it's so technically now, maybe citizen could make a deal with the treasurer and pay her for sell parcels</span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: less*</span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok got it</span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Arria, anyone at any time can abandon any single parcel that they can't pay for</span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and have the balances adjusted at the tier boxes</span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I know</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, have it all tor?</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: are we ready to see it together?</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hold on</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: turns jeopardy music back on...</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hah</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Given the the Chancellor, Treasurer and the people assembled in commission meetings find the current collection rules ineffective, confusing and a hindrance to the effective management of tier collection, the following amendments are proposed to the Land Sales Reclamation Act.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD: The due date for the future or current month will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments. Landowoners must contat the treasurer directly to arrange pre-payemnt as necessary.</span><br />[12:37] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 2. The CDS Executive Branch shall provide for notice (which may be by IM or notecard) to each land owner when they have failed to pay tier rental by the established due date.<br />[12:38] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD 3. By the fifth day after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote in any CDS election or run for office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full.</span><br />[12:38] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 4. CDS has the right to make public the lists of provisional citizens from time to time, as reasonably needed for its administration of government.</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 5. One calendar month after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall send another notice to the landowner warning of imminent reclamation (loss of the land). Fourteen days after that 1-month notice is sent, the CDS Executive Branch shall re-take ownership of the land, and the owner shall be removed from 'provisional citizen' status. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. All objects on the parcel at the time of reclamation shall be returned, and a notice of the reclamation sent to the landowner.</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. The treasure will notify the delinquent landowner by the 5th day after the due date for the month that tier is overdue and warn that reclamation will occur on the 14th day after the due date. At the 14th day after the due date, if tier is still outstanding, then objects will be returned and and all parcels will be reclaimed and set for re-sale.</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, and reaches the one-month notice above, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above. However, this paragraph 6 shall only be in force on and after the date on which CDS government has posted a method by which absent landowners can effectively prepay rent, in amounts at least up to 3 months' in advance.</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 5. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above, so long as tier for all parcels are collected by the CDS system as one payment.</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: CHANGE 7 to 6: 6. The CDS Executive Branch is encouraged to take reasonable additional steps to notify citizens of past due amounts and all other matters described in this Act, but timely rent payment primarily is the citizen's responsibility to monitor.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Change 8 to 7. This law repeals any provisions of prior CDS laws (including NL 7-6 [http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=208]) that specify land reclamation or rent payment methods, to the extent that they contradict the explicit terms of this law.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">Adopted by the RA 4 January 2009</span><br />[12:39] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i wll make a nc</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: In new 4, first line, &quot;treasurer,&quot; not &quot;treasure&quot;</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: got it</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: In 2, &quot;land owner&quot; should be &quot;landowner&quot; (for consistency)</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: where is point 3?</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the addition to 1 is not quite clear</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: got qwyns change</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Hmm. Rose is right. There are also a few spellling mistakes at the end hehe</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: The Treasurer shall set, (by posting to the CDS forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter.</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: got contact and payment</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: when this law will come in force, if we vote it today?</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: probably need two months for the adjustments</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: but in force immediately i'd say. after 7 day votes</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: does have the SC a delay to veto it?</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: what do the rest of you say?</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: SC has 7 days after passed into law</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and publication by the RA</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: so 14 days</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: transcript will go up today</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not necessaerly</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: 7 votes passes it into law</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: could be final in 7 days</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: is the transcript the publication?</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: always has been</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set, (by posting to the CDS forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter. The due date for the future or current month will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments. Landowoners must contact the treasurer directly to arrange pre-payment as necessary.</span></span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: well .. technically of course. but I am sure you would agree with me that it is not a efficient communication ....</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i would delete &quot;for the future or current month&quot;</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it concern every citizen</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yep, it's just confusing and out of context</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we'll do group notices too.</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: good idea</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I would suggest we do some communication</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: as i'm sure the chancellor will do</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and also paste the new in the portal (I will do)</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (yes please!)</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set, (by posting to the CDS forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter. The due date will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments. Landowoners must contact the treasurer directly to arrange pre-payment as necessary.</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: new law</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this won't be a surprise ... finance commission has met three times, and we have met twice</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: there are many peole who were not at these meeting</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: for the archivist,which we will elect next week. but thanks for offering</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: and never read the forum</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the one who come once a month to pay</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: it is all on the forum</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, are we ready to vote?</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yes</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: or actually, need a second if the motion is ready</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory nods</span></span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: seconded</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: tying to find my new note card</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: do you give us the final version, Tor?</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if you find, paste one more time please</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if paste still works for you <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor Karlsvalt gave you Motion to amend NL 9-2 final.</span></span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: been ising a text editor</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this looks right, want me to paste it?</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: sure</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok wonders if there's a &quot;Royal Society for the prevention of cruelty to Text Editors&quot; ......</span></span>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[[11:33] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok we could change section five to read 14 days after the 1st of hte month</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: in this case only the parcel thas isn´t payd for imo</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (I would be fine with that Tor)</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: make the 1rst of the month the due date? might take a one time adjustment to bring eveyrone to that date</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yes</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span></span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I always thought it would work that way!!</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: nods</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: It's a complete surprise to me that I actually could pay up to the 24th .... lol</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: well, other than the fact that we dont' actually HAVE a due date, it does</span><br />[11:34] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn is silly <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /></span></span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Rose Springvale puts her tier money back in her pocket for a few more days hehe</span></span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn grins</span></span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I tried sometimes but was not able to let Rudeen starve</span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: any other issues with this motion?</span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lol</span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:35] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i'd like to add an amendment that says, tier can be prepaid by contacting the treasurer directly</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: because that's how it actually happens</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Oh ok</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Yes.</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: do you want the amended section five</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I totally agree</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: ok by me too</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: unless we change systems</span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Rose</span></span><br />[11:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 5. Fourteen days after the 1st of the month for which tier is due, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be not be returned to the landowner nor will the parcels be set for re-sale until 30 days after the due date has passed. Notice of this reclamation and impending loss to regain the reclaimed parcels will be sent to the landowner. At the end of the month, if the landowner has continued to not pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS will return all objects on parcels. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel.</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i'd change that to notice after 3 days and return at 14</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok. So this would mean that 2 weeks after failing to pay, the land would be locked; and at the end of the month, sold.</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: still looks like 6 weeks to me</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I'd also prefer Rose's wording.</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I´m fine with that</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[11:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and i'd suggest we add &quot;so long as all tier is billed as one payment&quot;</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so that we can reconsider Liliths issue if we change systems</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: wb Kas</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: wb Kas</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so that only delinquent land be forfeited, if we separate parcels</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok not sure where all of this is going</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: maybe we need to take it section by section</span><br />[11:38] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Mmh.</span><br />[11:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: can we add the bit on pre payment to section1</span><br />[11:39] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And I also don't see a problem with Rose's suggestion....</span><br />[11:40] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: .</span><br />[11:40] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules.</span><br /><span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-style: italic">ADD: The due date for the future or current month will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments. Pre-payments for several months can be specially arranged by contacting the Treasurer.</span></span><br />[11:40] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Gah.</span><br />[11:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set (by posting to the CDS Forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter.</span><br />[11:41] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: looks good and better than i was typing</span><br />[11:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: And most sims limit prepayments to 12 weeks at the most i think</span><br />[11:41] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yep</span><br />[11:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: because of the SL instability issues</span><br />[11:41] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes, I remove my suggestion and prefer Rose's.</span><br />[11:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well, perhaps just adding: Pre-payments can be specially arranged by contacting the Treasurer.</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, better</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Good!</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: she will kill us if eveyrone starts wanting to prepay, with out a new system anyway</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: With no limits — it'll be up to the Treasurer</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok would take advantage of that</span></span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes that is what i was typing</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: wb arria</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Landowoners must contact the treadurer directly to arrange pre-payemnt as necessary.</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Yes I know. Thus bumping the issue to a higher priority <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok Tor</span><br />[11:42] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I'm fine with that!</span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, thats good for section one.</span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: sans the spelling mistakes</span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yay <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: wb Arria!!</span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think 2 and 3 are okay as written</span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: 4, i have issues with, but that's the law now isn't it?</span><br />[11:43] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aww how sweet Arria — but you stood up before I could take a picture of you sitting on Pip's lap!</span><br />[11:44] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: spoil-sport!</span><br />[11:44] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Could you tell us your issues with 4, Rose?</span><br />[11:44] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I'm assuming it's about the citizens' list?...</span><br />[11:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: well, its akin to debtors prison lol. Publishing the names of delinquent people</span><br />[11:45] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Yes, I don't see any reason for public shaming</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: especially since...</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I think that the point was to have a current citizens' list...</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: I think the 2as reasonably needed&quot; is the opening for discretion ...</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: in reality, we get a current list about once per term</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Which we need twice a year, and have other legal provisions mandating it already</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok, ok</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I'm persuaded you're right <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: no need to make more work for the treasurer or chancellor, which is why i'd propose this change:</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: So, do you move to delete that sentence?</span><br />[11:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ADD 5. Fourteen days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be be returned to the landowner and the parcels be set for re-sale</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok strike section four</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiels, lets get the whole thing together then adjust the motion</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And strike 4.</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok!</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: ok</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: do you all agree that 14 days is enough?</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yes</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: for reclaim and return, no extra notices too?</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Tor, what do you think? you met with the people</span><br />[11:47] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: there will be one notice....</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and the boxes give notice too</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes.</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the commission was more inclide to be hard</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: oh good :0</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oh goodie!</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so we can be too lol</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: we won't disappoint them <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: as a citizen, 14 days is more than enough time.</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the consesnsus as always that this is an individual responsibilyt</span><br />[11:48] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: my my. So much consensus, I'm feeling queasy</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hear, hear, Tor. And we want responsible citizens!</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, and with 7, the chancellor still has discretion to send notices</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i woudl be too</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so... do we want to amend the motion and put it all up here so we can see?</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: and Sudane did always mention that we often let deadbeats off the hook</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*</span></span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: put in only the language we want</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Rose too</span></span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: they have time to sell before tier is paid</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: exactly</span><br />[11:49] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: right!</span><br />[11:50] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[11:50] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: who'll do the copying &amp; pasting? <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so, um, tor, you want to scroll back through and put it all together and propose the amendments as friendlys?</span><br />[11:50] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[11:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: just paste on a notecard, then paste in the box too</span><br />[11:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the text box</span><br />[11:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we will just talk about other things in intermission <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:51] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hold on</span><br />[11:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we do have several 7 day voters out there this week</span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: looking for those changes</span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we can help if you want.</span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hi Rosie <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Hi Rosie</span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: hi Rosie!!</span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray smiles: Hi everyone!</span></span><br />[11:52] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Hi Rosie</span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Hi Rosie</span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we are in intermission while we put pressure on Tor. Key Jeopardy music <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: ㋡</span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: lol ...</span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray applies some pressure too</span></span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory goes for another cup of coffee</span></span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: oh, Calli, i should send you the mp3 files of the anthem for Saturday</span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: what a good idea! ...</span><br />[11:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if its part of the program, out of the loop <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: oh, yes..please do..I'll drop you an e-mail address for them</span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: kk</span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Does everyone here have current CDS flag textures?</span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: seem to still be some old ones flying</span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: not me ...</span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: I guess this means I must abandon 'Send in the Clowns' as the processional music?</span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry cracks up</span></span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray snickers</span></span><br />[11:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ohhh</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: we have the anthem, Calli!!</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: there's been a flag patch?</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets have a clown ball <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not since you've been here kas</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: can we just look at now no 4</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. Fourteen days after the 1st of the month for which tier is due, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be not be returned to the landowner nor will the parcels be set for re-sale the end of the month. Notice of this reclamation and impending loss to regain the reclaimed parcels will be sent to the landowner. At the end of the month, if the landowner has continued to not pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS will return all objects on parcels. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel.</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: ahh, ok</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i changed that one ... hang on</span><br />[11:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ADD 5. Fourteen days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be be returned to the landowner and the parcels be set for re-sale</span><br />[11:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: is that right &quot;resale the end of the month&quot;??</span><br />[11:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i guess it is 4 now. i think it needs to be set for resale at the end of the 14 days</span><br />[11:56] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i think we wanted to give a person until he end of he month</span><br />[11:56] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well, I'd like to have the bit that says &quot;the CDS Executive Branch&quot;.... so we know, without a shadow of doubt, who is in charge of returning objects and flagging the parcels for re-sale</span><br />[11:56] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory agrees with Tor</span></span><br />[11:56] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Not even that, Tor <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we wanted to relaim it and hold it after 14 days</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Notice after 3 days, boom goes your pacel after 14 <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: resale at the end of the month</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Why wait? <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i agree with Gwyn</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: not a problem</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: its crazy to leave it empty for 14 more days</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: ok Tor ... what I thought it would be ...</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: No, really... why wait? Is there a good reason?</span><br />[11:57] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Rose... you read my mind lol</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: is the moon still full?!</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Is used to deal with bank or log in issues</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I think it's a bit stupid to leave the parcel locked for 2 weeks but not be allowed to do anything...</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: just being nice. I am totally ok with tougher</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Almost still full l:)</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *howls*</span></span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Lilith, if one person has those issues</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we all will</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and then there will be an opportunity for the chancellor to react accordingly</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: ... we can always talk to the Treasurer first</span><br />[11:58] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes right</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, and if anyone KNOWS of issues, it only takes a message</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory is used to that also <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span></span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: exactly!</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: (that's rl advice too lol)</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: if someone doesn't even care enough to send a simple IM....</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes right</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: quite gwyn</span><br />[11:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: or even an email</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if you can't get online</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: We still send the automatic notice a few days before the end of the month; one automatic message at the last day I believe; and this law will give a further notice 3 days after the due date, so...</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: right!</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory alsways has Sudanes mail adress handy</span></span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: just in case hehe</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: email, smoke signals.... anything goes</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we are the Tough RA</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. Three days after the 1st of the month for which tier is due, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be not be returned to the landowner nor will the parcels be set for re-sale. Notice of this reclamation and impending loss to regain the reclaimed parcels will be sent to the landowner. On the 14th of the month, if the landowner has continued to not pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS will return all objects on parcels. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel.</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes haha</span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles and agress</span></span><br />[12:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hmm</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: that's much more complicated</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Rose's suggestion was simpler <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: wait wait wait, object forfeiture?</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this requires specific duties by the chancellor, better to make it self operative</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Notice after 3 days, object deletion and reclaiming the parcel after 14, to be put up for re-sale automatically.</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: objects should be returned</span><br />[12:01] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: YES!</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: then CDS will return all objects on parcels.</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Right.</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And that happens on the 14th day</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok agrees</span></span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: ok, whew</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: with no extra notification</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: exactly!</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: no need.</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we need to make this easy on the exec office, not more work</span><br />[12:02] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: right!!!</span><br />[12:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles at poor tor who wishes he'd gone to law school now lol</span><br />[12:03] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry wouldn't wish *that* on anybody</span></span><br />[12:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: shhh</span><br />[12:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: you'll ruin the mystique!</span><br />[12:04] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:04] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: lol!</span><br />[12:05] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*</span></span><br />[12:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: one question</span><br />[12:06] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray listens quietly</span></span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: boxes open for a week prior to due date and 5 days after? lock always on the 5th?</span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hope this is good.</span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: which gives 12 days to pay for the succeeding month</span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 4. The treasure will notify the a delinquent landowner by the 3rd of the month that tier is overdue and warn that reclamation will occur on the 14th of the month. At the 14th of the month, if tier is still outstanding, then objects will be deleted and and all parcels will be reclaimed and set for re-saile.</span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Yep, sounds right</span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: no no, not deleted, returned</span><br />[12:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Executive officeers</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not treasurer</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and returnd, not deleted, yes</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok!</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: not deleted..returned...</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: drafting amend .... &quot;the a&quot; &gt; &quot;the&quot;</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and is it 3 days, or 5?</span><br />[12:08] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: I thought 5</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: &quot;objects will be deleted&quot; ...??????</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: well, it's fine by be if it's 3 or 5 lol</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: then this stays, but not the rest... 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full.</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok we can change taht</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: (strike rental though, just leave as tier)</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: surely we &quot;returned&quot; ...</span><br />[12:09] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: this term &quot;due date&quot; becomes fuzzy</span><br />[12:10] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: OK, a question about that -</span><br />[12:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: remember paragraph one</span><br />[12:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: 1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer shall set (by posting to the CDS Forums) due dates for tier, which shall be the due date thereafter.</span><br />[12:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[12:10] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: say I don't pay tier and become a &quot;provisional citizen&quot; - does that trigger a by-election because I no longer meet the qualifications to hold office?</span><br />[12:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i think it could Kass,</span><br />[12:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets make it &quot;run for office&quot;</span><br />[12:11] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: even if I cure within the period? That seems to be vauge in the language</span>]]></description>
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            <title>Representative Assembly Announcements :: Transcript, RA meeting July 29, 2010 :: Author Rose ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[[11:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we can take some time for citizens concerns and go on the record now, while we wait for quorum</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: mine is on the way</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: no, i was touring steampunk sims Tor lol</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets start</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: think of a desktop as an ipad thats too heave!</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: agrees with Rose's proposal</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: heavy</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this is a continuation of the RA meeting from last saturday, which we have called to complete the work on the Finance commissions current proposal</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Hi Tor <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Lilith</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Pip</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hiya</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: That is all that we have on the agenda today, but we can do citizens concerns now. Remember that anything you say will be transcripted <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Any citizens want to speak?</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hi Kas</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: hi Tor</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: kas!</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: hi Rose!</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: as citizen I have a request</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think we will have quorum now, once Gwyn gets here</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, go on Arria</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Hi Kas <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hi Calli</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hello!</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hi Gwyn</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Hi Lil! Wow, you look different! I like it!</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Hi Calli, hi Gwyn</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: welcome CAlli and gwyy, you make quorum <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen waves hello</span></span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: thank you <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: whew sorry.... teleporting was a bit tough</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: sometimes I get tired of my 2007 skin hehe</span><br />[11:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I understand the grid had some problems a bit ago??</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: lol, yep!</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: yes, logins were down this morning</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: aArria is on an ipad and has a citizen request she's typing in</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes I had a lot of trouble to come online</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes it did</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: A meltdown..LOL usually happens after server updates..hehe</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles, was waiting for me i guess. I had no issues lol</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oh my</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: lucky Rose <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: lol, my groupe note came via mail</span><br />[11:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[11:09] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: did not get it inworld</span><br />[11:09] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: maybe we should send an im then</span><br />[11:09] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: might be wise</span><br />[11:10]  Keila Forager: [Updated 9:40 am PST] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">The issue that we are currently experiencing has been identified. However, we do not have an expected ETA. As soon as we have further information we will update this blog.</span></span><br />[8:48 am PST] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-style: italic">We are aware that there are various technical issues taking place currently inworld and on the website. We are investigating this situation and working towards a quick resolution.</span></span><br /><span style="color: Green"><span style="font-style: italic">Some of the symptoms involved are difficulty to teleport, transactions failing and the inability to login. Please refrain from making inworld transactions, inventory transfers or rezzing items inworld. Please check this blog for further updates.</span></span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: does anyone else have citizen concerns?</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: did Arria crash?</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: think we lost arria</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: went through a tunnel</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: keila, Calli? anything you want to talk about?</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: Translation: usual problem, please stand still until further notice</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: Nope..</span><br />[11:10] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: can I suggest we hear Arria when she resurfaces?</span><br />[11:11] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: not right now <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: well, until she does we don't havea quorum, so can't really do anything anyway</span><br />[11:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: ah!</span><br />[11:11] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: well we could remind people that the inaugural ball is on Saturday</span><br />[11:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: time?</span><br />[11:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: yes (and dont forget that party calli)</span><br />[11:12] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I talked to some citizens yesterday who were concerned about floating flags and other items</span><br />[11:12] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: apparently not doing anything includes opening textures lol</span><br />[11:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: do we have dates for the by election? i know i got a note, just haven't read it</span><br />[11:12] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: maybe we could ask the executive to have a look and fix it</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: 12 noon to 2 pm</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: floating flags? more than the ones we did last night?</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: AH yes. We have a &quot;strong recommendation&quot; by teh SC to approve some dates</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks Calli</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: and yes, a beach party on Sunday in LA</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yay Calli <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: there seem to be more things like the ones you fixed yesterday</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles. bet there won't be volleyball <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry snickers</span></span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn found a rental box from Emory down below at ground level.</span></span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I see sudane set property in LA for sale.</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: ha..there will be....*drum roll*...</span><br />[11:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i suggest we make a list and send them to the chancellor</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: lawn darts!</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes???</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ahhh</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: total fun until someone loses an eye</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: now thats roman themed ... hehe</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i have some back up eys in inventory</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks for your work on those parties Calli</span><br />[11:14] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Keila Forager</span>: add some gladiator games..lol</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: And I guess this is the first meeting without Pat as a member.</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I can bring my lion!</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: oh, I am not doing much other than playing music and announcing, but thank you lol</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: wb Arria</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: sorry, Arria, I didn't see your IM!!!</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ah, great, arria is back</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: wb Arria</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets start our meeting and go back to the concerns when Tor is finished</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: lilith..it can battle my tiger <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so we are sure to get our work done today</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: sorry, we went through several tunnels</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe good idea</span><br />[11:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Tor, do you want to put your motion up again? i think its in the box on the table still</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: i will tell my concern at the end</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: kk</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i don't think it is</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-style: italic">Object owned by Rose Springvale gave you 'CDS RA Agenda July 24 2010'  ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41</a><!-- m --> ).</span></span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh it is</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: amendment of NL9-2</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-style: italic">Object owned by Rose Springvale gave you 'Motion to amend NL 9-2'  ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41</a><!-- m --> ).</span></span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: i would be happy if you paste it in the chat</span><br />[11:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it is too long to post in chat</span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: or i could just post each section</span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: i cannot open notecard</span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: section by section is okay Tor</span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: let me try</span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory nods</span></span><br />[11:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Given the the Chancellor, Treasurer and the people assembled in commission meetings find the current collection rules ineffective, confusing and a hindrance to the effective management of tier collection, the following amendments are proposed to the Land Sales Reclamation Act.</span><br />[color=SlateGray]<span style="font-style: italic">1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules.</span></span><br /><span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-style: italic">ADD: The due date for the future or current month will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments.</span></span><br />[11:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 2. The CDS Executive Branch shall provide for notice (which may be by IM or notecard) to each land owner when they have failed to pay tier rental by the established due date.</span><br />[11:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.</span><br />[11:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 4. CDS has the right to make public the lists of provisional citizens from time to time, as reasonably needed for its administration of government.</span><br />[11:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 5. One calendar month after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall send another notice to the landowner warning of imminent reclamation (loss of the land). Fourteen days after that 1-month notice is sent, the CDS Executive Branch shall re-take ownership of the land, and the owner shall be removed from 'provisional citizen' status. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. All objects on the parcel at the time of reclamation shall be returned, and a notice of the reclamation sent to the landowner.</span><br />[11:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ADD 5. Fourteen days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be not be returned to the landowner nor will the parcels be set for re-sale until 30 days after the due date has passed. Notice of this reclamation and impending loss to regain the reclaimed parcels will be sent to the landowner. Thirty days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to not pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS will return all objects on parcels. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel.</span><br />[11:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: DELETE 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, and reaches the one-month notice above, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above. However, this paragraph 6 shall only be in force on and after the date on which CDS government has posted a method by which absent landowners can effectively prepay rent, in amounts at least up to 3 months' in advance.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above.</span><br />[11:19] [color=Sienna]<span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 7. The CDS Executive Branch is encouraged to take reasonable additional steps to notify citizens of past due amounts and all other matters described in this Act, but timely rent payment primarily is the citizen's responsibility to monitor.</span><br />[11:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 8. This law repeals any provisions of prior CDS laws (including NL 7-6 [http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=208]) that specify land reclamation or rent payment methods, to the extent that they contradict the explicit terms of this law.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Adopted by the RA 4 January 2009</span></span><br />[11:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks</span><br />[11:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that is the whold act including amendments</span><br />[11:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Now to review, i believe this motion is on the floor, duly seconded</span><br />[11:19] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok</span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i also would like to point out that the Treasure indicated she supported it at the last meeting</span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so.. discussion?</span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: true</span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: i have a question</span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: arria?</span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: no more tunnels <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[11:20] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: woot</span><br />[11:21] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: what mean these 5 days ? do we have only 5 days to pay?</span><br />[11:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: no</span><br />[11:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jsut a limitation on the treasure</span><br />[11:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: she sets the payment schedule</span><br />[11:21] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: c</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Does this mean that the actual due date is 5 days after boxes open?</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: currenlty you have until the boxes open on the 28th of the month through the 24th i think</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* I think so too</span></span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it can't be any earlier</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we can remove it</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: why don't we have a set day though?</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we don't</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i know</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the 24 of the next month? i seenow</span><br />[11:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the treas sets the date</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so technically, people can have a full month before they are even past due, then another 14 days?</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: but the treas has no limitations on that date</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Oh wait... I thought it was just 14 days?</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Hmm</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: rose that is correct</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: so, 6 weeks instead of 3 months...</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: still too long for me <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well the boxes are open until the 4th</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: 24th</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I agree with Rose!</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Agreed</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we can shorten it, but...</span><br />[11:23] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I really don't see why just 14 days is not enough</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: there might be RL issues that keep you away from paying</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: what if we change that window of being open for 4 weeks, but also provide for prepayments</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry agrees with Gwyn</span></span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok agrees with Gwyn</span></span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I think we should have a month to pay</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Lilith, eveyr other sim in SL seems to be able to handle it</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: i agree with Lilith</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok Tor... &quot;but&quot;. So, what would be the real consequences of that?</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we could. but not sure of your current system is capable of that</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well we're the RA — we *demand* things to happen <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we do have a month to pay</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: from the 24th to the 28th</span><br />[11:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: well, that's just tradition, not law</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: then 14 days later too</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think the issue is citizenship revocation, or has been in the past</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the period is set by the treas</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: guys, I am back in some minutes. i 'll run home</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: even LL gives me a few weeks to give them my money <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And Rose is right.... on my other parcels, if I don't pay, I get icked out. Immediately. No questions asked. The only nice guy I know out there (besides the CDS!) is Prokofy Neva, who never kicked me out even if I failed to pay for a few days... <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: *kicked</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: one advantage of a tighter timescale is to indicate whether a citizen is still interested</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes, pip</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and to keep our cash flow stable</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well funny</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: I agree - the places I've rented before, it's 5 days grace, but prepayments are possible</span><br />[11:25] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Anyone who is really interested will make sure the payment is on time</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i would be in favor of a tighter schedule</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: thought you guys would not</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: haha</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and if they know they are going to be gone, or if there are extenuating circumstances, the Exec can show discretion</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: we're more evil and greedy than you thought <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*</span></span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: lol!</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: interesting ... <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" />)</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: well when I had payment issues in the past I informed Sudane about them and everything was fine</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: but the boxes are open until the 24th</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes</span><br />[11:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: well, we can close them earlier <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: let them close until.... right, Rose</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it has been tradition that ppl have until then to pay</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: what Rose said.</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: cant' we script girl?</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiels</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And you know — this is the first time I heard this!</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Callipygian Christensen raises her hand?</span></span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I *thought* they would be closed on the last day lol</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes Calli?</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: Can the boxes be set so that people have a month to pay, but that payment is for the following month</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oooh</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: that</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Calli &lt;3 <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: s how the rest of sl works</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: they have to close in order to reopen for the next month</span><br />[11:27] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: that way payment is always current..but people still have the one month time frame to do so</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes, yes!</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: (which is why we wanted the hippo system)</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (yes <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> )</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Callipygian Christensen</span>: also means any reposession is far more timely</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: my goal was to shore up a loophole and not change things too much</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think we as RA can adopt the law and turn it over to the exec office to figure out implementations</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I think so too.</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: RA had approved a change three terms ago i think</span><br />[11:28] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok agrees as well</span></span><br />[11:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: looking at the language of the motions...</span><br />[11:29] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: problem with the law as writtin is that secion six was suspended pending establishment of pre-payment</span><br />[11:29] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: effecively this gutted the law</span><br />[11:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes, well, we should have implemented that by now <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /></span><br />[11:30] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /></span><br />[11:30] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Hmm</span><br />[11:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so Tor, if we want to change to a 14 day grace period only, how would you change the language?</span><br />[11:30] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: not to mentionthe fact that mose landowners own more than one parcel</span><br />[11:30] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: Tor, would the remit of the Fincial Commission include implememntation?</span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: That's currently irrelevan, Tor, since we pay for them all at the same time.</span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i thnk that is reserved to the exec Pip, not for the commission.</span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I mean we don't need to worry about that extra responsibility <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right, but section six dealt with owners of more than one parcel</span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: True.</span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Scrap it! lol</span><br />[11:31] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: since most onwnmore than one, nobody could get legally reclaijmed</span><br />[11:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i don't have a problem reclaiming all if one is unpaid</span><br />[11:32] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: um 14 period</span><br />[11:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: since it was made clear that anyone can abaondon anytime</span><br />[11:32] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Neither do I — because you actually don't pay them separately anyway</span><br />[11:32] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: It's a lump sum, always</span><br />[11:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: what do the rest of you think?</span><br />[11:33] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: personally I dont have a problem with it</span><br />[11:33] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn thinks that Arria dropped... <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /></span></span><br />[11:33] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: since it's a lump sum, agreed</span><br />[11:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: she said she'd be right back Gwyn</span><br />[11:33] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oh... sorry.... yes, she was near home</span><br />[11:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: what if it isn't a lumpsum? if we switch systems, i could be by parcel</span>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Gwyn.  I have information from the SC that i'll pass along that your commission should probably handle as well.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Rose Springvale)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Well, since I didn't get any better suggestions so far, I've unilaterally and tyrannically decided that the next (and hopefully last!) meeting shall be on next <a href="http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&amp;tmeid=YjgzczRsMmFvOWc0cWU0ODlqdDZ1MGg1ajAgY2RzLnNlY29uZGxpZmVAbQ&amp;tmsrc=Y2RzLnNlY29uZGxpZmVAZ21haWwuY29t" class="postlink">Saturday, July 31, at 9 AM SLT</a>, at the Colonia Nova Thermae <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />That should give us some time to chat well before the Inauguration Ball starts <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:06:02 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the condolence, Rose. <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> The time of day is actually fairly optimal in general... Maybe I will attend to the meeting.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Timo Gufler)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:12:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Timo,<br /><br />I'm very sorry for your loss.  If there is anything I can do to make the time easier, please let me know.<br /><br />Rose]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:59:45 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Soro Dagostino wrote:</cite>When will CDS get real and pass a rule that says if your on RA, you miss three meetings in a row -- your gone! toast!?</div></blockquote><br />I expect this will be less of a problem with the smaller RA that we will have now that Al Andalus is leaving the CDS. It is very difficult to find a time that works for everyone on the RA given time zones, work commitments and religious observance. I agree that it is unhelpful for RA members to be unable to attend regular meetings. I think the answer is to be more flexible and try to fix schedules in advance rather than impose tough-sounding but unfair rules.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Patroklus Murakami)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:35:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[When will CDS get real and pass a rule that says if your on RA, you miss three meetings in a row -- your gone! toast!?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Soro Dagostino)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:10:22 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I am not sure, if I am in mood of coming to the meeting for death of someone close to me. For good measure, I request 7-day vote for RA meeting on July 29th.<br /><br />Timo]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Timo Gufler)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:25:54 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[I requested 7-day vote for the RA meeting and here are my votes:<br /><br />The motions to re-parcel and re-price lot AH2 in Alpine Meadow (including the amendments and changes on the language): <span style="font-weight: bold">aye</span><br /><br />A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act: <span style="font-weight: bold">aye</span><br /><br />Thank you. <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Timo Gufler)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:20:06 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Ranma Tardis</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Guvnah,<br /><br />Oh decisions, tea or good European beer that is the question. Oh wait I am not a citizen of the CDS so it will have to be tea. We will fend off the rebels!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:35:15 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Re: Save the Date!  Inaugural Ball - - Saturday, July 31st :: Reply by Sonja Strom</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Gwyneth, I am sorry if it will be at a difficult time for you.  We chose the day and time of the Ball based on when we thought the most people would be available to come.  Hopefully you can be there!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Sonja Strom)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:01:12 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Aw, aw, Saturday evenings is always so difficult for me to attend... oh well. I'll try to at least drop by at the end...]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Gwyneth Llewelyn)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:38:40 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Aww, don't be too harsh on Carolyn, Aliasi <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> I, for one, am not offended — I've known Caro well before she ever joined AA, and that's just the way she always talks. She has always said <span style="font-style: italic">exactly</span> what she thinks without flourishes or subtlety with accurate meaning; and I can appreciate that! Aye, even if it's targeted at me...<br /><br />I'd certainly like to appeal that decision if that's the only outstanding &quot;offence&quot; she has.<br /><br />And Desmond, we'll take tea battles any day! Mind you, only if we can fight back with good old stout Neubräu beer...]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Gwyneth Llewelyn)</author>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:36:13 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Carolyn Saarinen wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Gwyneth Llewelyn wrote:</cite>Desmond, I'd love to move our sims near to Caledon <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></div></blockquote><br />Good, bugger off.</div></blockquote><br /><br /><span style="color: #BF0000">Since apparently you still don't get this 'civilized behavior' concept, Carol, take three days off.<br /><br />Appeals may be directed to the Dean.</span>]]></description>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Re: Save the Date!  Inaugural Ball - - Saturday, July 31st :: Reply by Sonja Strom</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Delia Lake has said she will also give us a few words as Dean of the Scientific Council. <br /><br />The speeches are planned to begin at around 12:30, or so.   <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> <br /><br />The DJ Callipygian Christensen is bringing a large collection of vinyl records.  <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <title>SC Discussion :: Dates for the Bi-Election to replace two resigned RA members :: Author Delia Lake</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This discussion is a continuation of item 1. of the 26 July 2010 SC meeting.  The SC has been asked by the LRA to set dates for the bi-election on account of the resignations of StuiChicanne Darkstone and Patroklus Murakami.  Please 1. approve dates for the 13th RA bi-election proposed by Claude Desmoulis:  Candidate declaration on August 1st, polls open on August 8th, polls close on August 15th (schedule for the by-election); or 2. Propose a different set of dates for approval. <br /><br />Please weigh in ASAP, and not later than Thursday 29 July.]]></description>
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            <title>SC Discussion :: Re: Bill about Campaigning :: Reply by Delia Lake</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This request for ruling was addressed at the SC Meeting, 26 July 2010 as follows:<br />Delia Lake: so I move that the Campaign Election Rules stands as law minus the section<br />   <blockquote class="uncited"><div> The SC will, at minimum, organise the following election campaign activities on a non-discriminatory basis:<br />    Advertising on publicly owned land (with equivalent space given to all candidates)<br />    The SC will solicit two notecards from each candidate and circulate these, in batches, before the polls open. The deadline for receipt of the first will be the deadline for declaring candidacy, the deadline for  receipt of the second is 7 days before the polls open. One circulation is to take place shortly after the deadline for declaring candidacy and the second is to take place just before the polls open. The SC also has discretion to handle the May 2010 election differently as candidates are already declared for this election.<br />    An event to 'Meet the Candidates' informally and/or an election debate</div></blockquote><br /><br />Soro Dagostino: Second.<br />Delia Lake: all in favor?<br />Claude Desmoulins: aye<br />Soro Dagostino: Aye . . . and goodbye -- RL calls.<br />Delia Lake: aye<br />Delia Lake: ty Soro<br />Delia Lake: Calli?<br />Callipygian Christensen: clarification please: is it permitted to choose aprt of a bill and act on it as law and decline the second part - isnt the bill a whole and if one part is sent back, in effect it all is?<br />Delia Lake: we are declaring tht the law is in effect<br />Delia Lake: and that the demand to the SC portion is unconstitutional and therefore struck from the law<br />Callipygian Christensen: IF that id permissable then aye<br />Delia Lake: 4 aye, no opposed<br /><br />This law stands as passed by the 12th RA, minus the SC implementation, and as it states, modifies Article IV, Section 4 of the CDS Constitution.]]></description>
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            <title>Scientific Council Announcements :: SC July meeting Transcript :: Author Delia Lake</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Delia Lake: since we have a quorum now, i call the SC meeting to order<br />Callipygian Christensen: np Soro <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: we have only 2 agenda items today<br />Delia Lake: the format for discussion will be unstructured for each of them<br />Tor Karlsvalt has indicated consent to be recorded.<br />Delia Lake: hi Justice<br />Delia Lake: nice to see you<br />Justice Soothsayer: hi alll<br />Tor Karlsvalt: hi Justice<br />Soro Dagostino: Hello Justice.<br />Delia Lake: hi Gwyn<br />Soro Dagostino: Hello Gwyn<br />Delia Lake: the first item on the agenda is the bi-elections<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi!<br />Delia Lake: we now have 2 RA members who have resigned mid-term<br />Callipygian Christensen: Do we need to deal with Arria's request first then?<br />Delia Lake: Stui and Pat<br />Delia Lake: yes, that is part ot it<br />Tor Karlsvalt: hi Gwyn<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn *waves*<br />Claude Desmoulins: Well we would need to schedule the by-election, no?<br />Delia Lake: we have to set dates as to declaration of candidates, and when the election will be held<br />Claude Desmoulins: Then we'd know how long we had to sort out campaign rules <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: i spoke to Jon yesterday to ask if we might count on his services again<br />Delia Lake: he said yes<br />Claude Desmoulins: Thanks in advance to Jon.<br />Delia Lake: yes <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: so it would probably be prudent to deal with the Election campaign rules law first<br />Delia Lake: have you all had a chance to review the citations?<br />Callipygian Christensen nods<br />Claude Desmoulins: It's been a while. Since the constitutional amendment failed, the new election law has to be judged, I think against the existing IV -5<br />Delia Lake: IV-4 i believe<br />Claude Desmoulins: Oops<br />Delia Lake: np <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> i did review them recently<br />Claude Desmoulins: Did you include a notecard with the new election law?<br />Callipygian Christensen: But an issue was rasied that the bill itself amends what the Consitution says, wasn't it?<br />Callipygian Christensen: and as such, did not actually get enough votes to pass? or am I one thread behind on the hisotry (which is quite possible)<br />Delia Lake: my understandi tg of the issue is that the intent was to have the bill complement the ammendment<br />Delia Lake: they are not identical in wording<br />Claude Desmoulins: But some of the bill might be congruent with the existing constitution since the amendment didn't pass.<br />Delia Lake: that is my thought also, Claude<br />Claude Desmoulins: My question is - the constitution mentions dissalowing group IM but not group notices.<br />Delia Lake: campaigning article of the constitution that is in effect right now could be said to be unduely restrictive<br />Claude Desmoulins: They didn't exist at the time.<br />Claude Desmoulins: If you read Iv -4 narrrowly then any technology like group notices is a free for all until the constitution is amended to deal with it.<br />Delia Lake: the bill that was passed into law, if taken to modify the existing IV-4, which is the article it specifies, would go a long way toward making a reasonable campaign possible on the part of the candidates<br />Claude Desmoulins: Or you can read IV-4 broadly as in world group communication tools.<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is away!<br />Claude Desmoulins: Does anyone have a copy of the bill text that passed?<br />Soro Dagostino: Are its proponents here?<br />Delia Lake: Proposed Bill - Election Campaign Rules<br /><br />Preamble<br />This bill operates in conjunction with Article IV, Section 4 of the CDS Constitution to clarify what manner of campaigning is consistent with the right to speak and assemble and avoid invasions of privacy or disruptions of the peace during the election campaign.<br /><br />The following activities are permitted:<br /><br /> Election debates<br /> Public or private meetings<br /> Advertising public meetings by group notice<br /> Person to person IMs<br /> Notecard givers (which require someone to click on them to receive a notecard)<br /> Campaign posters<br /> Campaign newspapers<br /> Advertising on privately owned land<br /> Any internet-based content not pushed at individuals: e.g. candidate/faction websites, tweets<br /> Any non-excessive use of social media directed towards individuals: e.g. Facebook notices<br /><br /><br />The following activities are not permitted:<br /><br /> Use of CDS or AA official group chat or notices to solicit votes<br /> Dropping unsolicited notecards on people<br /> Shouting in the vicinity of an election booth<br /><br /><br /><br />Delia Lake:The SC will, at minimum, organise the following election campaign activities on a non-discriminatory basis:<br /><br /> Advertising on publicly owned land (with equivalent space given to all candidates)<br /> The SC will solicit two notecards from each candidate and circulate these, in batches, before the polls open. The deadline for receipt of the first will be the deadline for declaring candidacy, the deadline for receipt of the second is 7 days before the polls open. One circulation is to take place shortly after the deadline for declaring candidacy and the second is to take place just before the polls open. The SC also has discretion to handle the May 2010 election differently as candidates are already declared for this election.<br /> An event to 'Meet the Candidates' informally and/or an election debate<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is online!<br />Delia Lake: or if it is easier, <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2812">viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2812</a><!-- l --><br />Claude Desmoulins: If you take the position that iv-4 references to group IM mean just that. Then the the bill provisions on notices wouldn't conflict with the constitution.<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Lilith Ivory is online!<br />Tor Karlsvalt: i just sent Kas a FB message<br />Claude Desmoulins: Although I have questions about the RA saying that the SC will do x at time y.<br />Delia Lake: currently, our Chancellor has given people permission to post messages to the CDS group i believe<br />Callipygian Christensen: I agree Claude, it specifies IM and makes no mention of notices<br />Delia Lake: i am not happy with the way the bill/law reads re the imposition on the SC and had hoped it would have been changed before we held another election, but lol.........here we are<br />Claude Desmoulins: I think the level of detail here impinges on the SC independence. What's next, the RA telling us when to meet?<br />Delia Lake: and Tor yes, there was an inclusion of th fb group but it is only in the RA transcript<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn grins<br />Delia Lake: agreed, Claude. and since i was the one who actually carried out duties i can tell you it took a large amt of time<br />Delia Lake: in a short period of time<br />Tor Karlsvalt: If not the SC then might we need a special election commission?<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Pip Torok is online!<br />Delia Lake: that might work, or there may be a way to have the SC the responsible party but not have all the duties lumped there<br />Tor Karlsvalt: hi Lil<br />Lilith Ivory: Hiya all<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />)<br />Pip Torok: hi all<br />Claude Desmoulins: If you read iv-4 narrowly I think you could let stand the list of permitted and non permitted activities.<br />Tor Karlsvalt: I think the hope was that the SC was already established, had expertice in this matter and could take it on<br />Delia Lake: the issue at hand though is whether or not the bill that passed is established law absent the passing of the amendment<br />Claude Desmoulins: There's already precedent that you can't restrict campaign items on private land.<br />Delia Lake: hi Lilith. hi Pip. love your group title today! <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />)<br />Pip Torok: thanks Lilith<br />Claude Desmoulins: Yes it is.<br />Claude Desmoulins: the bill says &quot;This bill operates in conjunction with Article IV, Section 4 of the CDS Constitution &quot;<br />Delia Lake: yes<br />Claude Desmoulins: doesn't specify which version of Iv-4 that is.<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^<br />Pip Torok has indicated consent to be recorded.<br />Claude Desmoulins: So unless the bill specifically contradicts something in iv-4 or elsewhere we should let it stand.<br />Callipygian Christensen: Since no part of it contradicts the Constitution, going by the exact wording, but adds a list of examples, as it were, I feel the bill can be law with no conflict<br />Claude Desmoulins: *elsewhere in the constitution<br />Delia Lake: and although the intent was to have them passed together as layed out in the Forum, in the actual transcript of the RA meeting and the votes it was not presented that way<br />Claude Desmoulins: just a moment<br />Callipygian Christensen: It has to work in conjunction with iv-4 as it is<br /><span style="color: #000080">Claude Desmoulins: article I-7<br />Claude Desmoulins: Section 7 - Powers of the RA<br />In regards to the Philosophic branch:<br />The RA provides a vote of confidence on candidates to the Philosophic branch. This vote is in regards to their perceived likelihood to uphold the constitution.<br />The RA can amend the constitution with a 2/3 vote.<br />The RA can seek impeachment of members of the Philosophic branch by initiating an impeachment hearing.<br />Claude Desmoulins: Nothing there about telling the SC how to run elections.</span><br />Delia Lake: lol<br />Notary Desk: Passed self test.<br />Claude Desmoulins: So I'd argue that the explicit instructions in the second half of the bill step all over I-7<br />Tor Karlsvalt: we need an inclusion clause in the constitution<br />Soro Dagostino: In my view, the legislation was an attempt to make up for the loss of the constitutional amendment.<br />Soro Dagostino: By its terms it is illegal.<br />Claude Desmoulins: But since it doesn't make specific reference to the amendment but merely to IV-4<br />Delia Lake: i'd agree on a legal level. on a practical level, removing that part at this time might through the entire campaigning and election process into a state of chaos and make it more difficult for the citizens inform themselves in order to elect their representatives<br />Callipygian Christensen: Wht date was this bill passed?<br />Claude Desmoulins: I can keep the top half (the list) as a legislative clarification of the iv-4 provisions (even the existing ones)<br />Delia Lake: Soro, i believe that the amendment and the bill were written at the same time with the intent to have them work together. however the amendment takes 2/3 to pass and a bill takes a majority. the bill passed into law but the amendment was on 7 day and did not get the votes required<br />Delia Lake: i can look up the date. it was the 2nd to last meeting of the 12th RA<br />Claude Desmoulins: which puts one back at reconciling the bill with the unamended constiutition.<br />Delia Lake: immediately before the last election, that's why the time crunch then<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is away!<br />Delia Lake: that's what it seems to me, Claude<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is online!<br />Delia Lake: is there any reason you see, Soro, that that cannot be done?<br />Callipygian Christensen: thank you Delia. With all due respect to my colleagues, perhaps *then* would have been a better time to point out that the second part is a problem. Doing so now, as Delia points out, creates chaos when some expediancy would be beneficial<br />Claude Desmoulins: So I tsay we keep the list of permitted and forbidden activities .<br />Claude Desmoulins: Calli, we may in fact do what the second part suggests.<br />Claude Desmoulins: But I suggest that the RA does not have the authority to order the SC to do so.<br />Delia Lake: if we do this again, i would, i have to say Insist, that the RA fix this asap<br />Delia Lake: so i would comply this time under protest, in effect<br />Callipygian Christensen nods. Something to keep in mind for the future perhaps, to point out such things right away.<br />Tor Karlsvalt: the constitution tells the SC that:<br />Callipygian Christensen agrees with Delia's comments<br />Tor Karlsvalt: Its governmental role is to interpret and enforce the constitution..<br />Tor Karlsvalt: the operative word here is enforce<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is away!<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Timo Gufler is online!<br />Delia Lake: had we done that last time, Calli, we would have had to postone the elections<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is online!<br />Callipygian Christensen: I see Delia<br />Claude Desmoulins: Can someone tell me where the 15 day campaign period is specified, or is that by tradition?<br />Claude Desmoulins: The voting period on the bill and the amendment to change campaign rules was during the campaign.<br />Delia Lake: Article I, Sec 2 Calli.<a href="http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=135" class="postlink">http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=135</a><br />Soro Dagostino: Delia -- what action should the SC be taking with regard to this legislation?<br />Soro Dagostino: Can we modify?<br />Claude Desmoulins: We can only block and send recommendations back to RA.<br />Tor Karlsvalt: seems the SC is responsible for setting the election schedule. So he bill eally doesnot change that.<br />Soro Dagostino: Or is it &quot;Yes&quot; or &quot;No&quot; -- Up or Down?<br />Claude Desmoulins: but we needn't block all of it.<br />Delia Lake: our charge here Soro is to determine whether the bill is in fact law. or if it is not since the amendment did not pass. if it is not, the old/current IV-4 is the only Campaigning reg in effect<br />Claude Desmoulins: We can strike just those provisions the SC finds to be in conflict.<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... and resubmit.<br />Tor Karlsvalt: would it have to bo bac to RA for a vote?<br />Claude Desmoulins: I still think we could resubmit part of it.<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: &quot;Final ratification of law is performed by the Philosophic branch, which can veto a bill or resubmit a modified bill for vote, if it conflicts with the Constitution.&quot;<br />Delia Lake: we could strike the section about the SC duties as unconstitutional as Claude pointed out<br />Soro Dagostino: That's my issue. If we vote it down. The RA has another shot at doing it right.<br />Claude Desmoulins: Even if we strike the whole thing because of the SC duties.<br />Tor Karlsvalt: Elections shall be held over a 168 hour period beginning at noon SLT on the Saturday before the 16th of the month prior to the new RAs taking office. In the event of a server outage which prevents citizens from casting ballots and which lasts more than 12 hours, the Dean of the SC has the authority to adjust or extend the election schedule.<br />Claude Desmoulins: The RA would still be able to revisit it prior to the campaign starting.<br />Claude Desmoulins: When is the next RA, btw?<br />Delia Lake: then the bill could stand without that part and there might be a problem with implementaton<br />Delia Lake: 2 wks<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Timo Gufler is offline!<br />Delia Lake: almost<br />Tor Karlsvalt: The SC is ultimately responsible for the election schedule<br />Delia Lake: but i think they wanted to hold on a Thursday this time<br />Delia Lake: so i don't know the date<br />Lilith Ivory: isn?t it this thursday?<br />Soro Dagostino: Let's think consequences . . . This law was passed as part of the issues with AA and CDS merger and the number of candidates.<br />Delia Lake: is it, Lilith?<br />Lilith Ivory: I?m gonna check it<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: <a href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=3009" class="postlink">http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=3009</a> (next thursday, July 29)<br />Lilith Ivory: ah ok<br />Callipygian Christensen: Does a by-election have to follow the same timelines as regular elections for RA?<br />Delia Lake: ty Lilith and Gwyn<br />Claude Desmoulins: If we struck the whole thing, the RA would have a strong incentive to fix it before the campaign.<br />Soro Dagostino: Along with the loss of factions.<br />Claude Desmoulins: Voting period is constitutionally mandated.<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: I, 2: &quot;Vacancies in RA positions will be filled by by-election administered on a schedule set by the Scientific Council consistent with other applicable CDS law.&quot; <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Claude Desmoulins: Is the campaign length in the constitution or code somewhere?<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn wishes she could find a reference for that, Claude...<br />Tor Karlsvalt: i think the schedule should be put in place without the new law then.<br />Delia Lake: not specifically for bi-elections i think<br />Tor Karlsvalt: get the by-elections done.<br />Claude Desmoulins: If there's no codified 15 day campaign, I'd suggest the following.<br />Soro Dagostino: Question.<br />Delia Lake: yes, Soro?<br />Soro Dagostino: With the loss of AA -- how many RA positions are possible?<br />Claude Desmoulins: :Strike the law, because of the SC mandates in the second part<br />Soro Dagostino: The number of seats in the RA are based on population?<br />Claude Desmoulins: The change of the RA size won't take effect until the next scheduled census<br />Claude Desmoulins: 28 days before the next general election (November)<br />Delia Lake: that would seem to be the way it is, Claude<br />Soro Dagostino: Hmmmmm, With 80 voters gone?<br />Delia Lake: lol<br />Claude Desmoulins: Yep - but ti's temporary.<br />Claude Desmoulins: *it's<br />Delia Lake: the next RA would be smaller<br />Soro Dagostino: Back to 7<br />Soro Dagostino: These two seats are the epic example of an afterthought.<br />Claude Desmoulins: So if we strike the law and set the candidacy deadline at Sunday August 1<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is away!<br />Claude Desmoulins: Then how long does the campaign need to be?<br />Delia Lake: the citizenship and therefore the RA size is based on the census before the regular election<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Pip Torok is away!<br />Tor Karlsvalt: next RA might have only five<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Pip Torok is online!<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is online!<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: (on dates: there is mention of an Election Day Revision Act here: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2578">viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2578</a><!-- l --> )<br />Delia Lake: does this round of campaigning have to be 2 wks? or might it be 1 wk?<br />Claude Desmoulins: Gwyn that just moved the general elections from Jan/July to Nov/May<br />Claude Desmoulins: I think the SC could shorten to a week.<br />Delia Lake: for the bi-election i tend to agree<br />Soro Dagostino: Or ignore the whole thing. Politically it will do nothing to the current scheme of things.<br />Claude Desmoulins: So that would give you candidacy deadline sunday 1 aug with polls opening 8 august and closing 15 aug?<br />Delia Lake: you know, Soro, as of now that may be true. when it was just Stui's seat not holding an election would have put the RA in violation of the constitution as it would have had an even number of members<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is away!<br />Soro Dagostino: Correct.<br />Delia Lake: but with Pat's resignation, the RA has the required odd number<br />Soro Dagostino: But, now to diametrically opposites are gone.<br />Soro Dagostino: two*<br />Delia Lake: so to Soro<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Gwyneth Llewelyn is online!<br />Soro Dagostino: Et tu Brute<br />Delia Lake: 's points, do we really need to hold this bi-election?<br />Claude Desmoulins: I think so.<br />Claude Desmoulins: The RA has 13 members until the next regular census.<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn muffles herself to remain silent <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Callipygian Christensen: I don't think it is up to us to decide that Delia..the constition says by elections fill vacant seats<br />Soro Dagostino: Ahhhh! My lucky number!!<br />Lilith Ivory: has something like this happened in the past?<br />Tor Karlsvalt wonders if the SC will just delay making a decision until the subject is moot.<br />Claude Desmoulins: vacant seats?<br />Claude Desmoulins: or losing half the citizens in one go?<br />Callipygian Christensen: If we do nothing, as a body I believe we are affecting the potetnial blance of the RA, and it doenst matter which way things might change or not, it's not for us to decide surely?<br />Lilith Ivory: vacant seats with an odd number <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: Gwyn, before we cut off discussion and make some motions, do you have something relevent you'd like to say about this?<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, not really, I was just making a poor attempt at humour <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> But in fact the by-elections are really to fill vacant seats, not as a pretext to keep the number of seats an odd number...<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: and yes, we had to fill 2 seats at a time too... 11th term I think<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's all, thank you <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: ty<br />Lilith Ivory smiles<br />Delia Lake: having reread the bill/law just now again<br />Delia Lake: i am inclined to say that although the bill is law, the section re the SC shall at a minimum be struck, and that we direct the RA to immediately take up how elections shall be implemented. as i agree with Claude that that wording is in conflict with the constitution<br />Claude Desmoulins: The RA has at the very least it's upcoming thursday meeting at which to address the issue.<br />Claude Desmoulins: *its<br />Soro Dagostino: I agree.<br />Claude Desmoulins: <span style="color: #000080">What about the 1st 8th 15th schedule for the by-election?</span><br />Tor Karlsvalt: i don't thing there is a meeting thurday<br />Tor Karlsvalt: there is a Town Hall<br />Delia Lake: ah that myay be Tor<br />Delia Lake: we are already beyond our hour<br />Tor Karlsvalt: sure, cuz i was asked to host it<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tor:<a href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=3009" class="postlink">http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=3009</a><br />Soro Dagostino: Call the Question.<br />Lilith Ivory: yes<br />Callipygian Christensen: I thought what I heard form the discussion is that we can schedule a byelection based on I, 2: &quot;Vacancies in RA positions will be filled by by-election administered on a schedule set by the Scientific Council consistent with other applicable CDS law.&quot; <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />, while sending the bill/law back to RA for revision.<br />Claude Desmoulins: what motion are you calling the question on?<br />Delia Lake: so I move that the Campaign Election Rules stands as law minus the section <br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div><span style="color: #000080">The SC will, at minimum, organise the following election campaign activities on a non-discriminatory basis:<br /> Advertising on publicly owned land (with equivalent space given to all candidates)<br /> The SC will solicit two notecards from each candidate and circulate these, in batches, before the polls open. The deadline for receipt of the first will be the deadline for declaring candidacy, the deadline for receipt of the second is 7 days before the polls open. One circulation is to take place shortly after the deadline for declaring candidacy and the second is to take place just before the polls open. The SC also has discretion to handle the May 2010 election differently as candidates are already declared for this election.<br /> An event to 'Meet the Candidates' informally and/or an election debate</span></div></blockquote><br />Tor Karlsvalt: my mistake then<br />Soro Dagostino: Second.<br />Delia Lake: all in favor?<br />Claude Desmoulins: aye<br />Soro Dagostino: Aye . . . and goodbye -- RL calls.<br />Delia Lake: aye<br />Delia Lake: ty Soro<br />Delia Lake: Calli?<br />Callipygian Christensen: clarification please: is it permitted to choose aprt of a bill and act on it as law and decline the second part - isnt the bill a whole and if one part is sent back, in effect it all is?<br />Delia Lake: we are declaring tht the law is in effect<br />Delia Lake: and that the demand to the SC portion is unconstitutional and therefore struck from the law<br />Callipygian Christensen: IF that id permissable then aye<br />Delia Lake: 4 aye, no opposed<br />Delia Lake: i will send a note to Rose with that information<br />Claude Desmoulins: I think so, we have to interpret III-8 that explains the sc veto/resubmit.<br />Delia Lake: yes<br />Claude Desmoulins: I think there's precedent for partial veto as well.<br />Callipygian Christensen: thank you Claude<br />Claude Desmoulins: Do we still have a quorum to set the by-election schedule?<br />Delia Lake: no<br />Delia Lake: we are a 6 person body<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Pip Torok is away!<br />Claude Desmoulins: So must we schedule another inworld or may we puvh by-election scheduling to the discussion forum?<br />Delia Lake: Tor, did you confirm that the thursday meeting is an official RA meeting?<br />Indicator Board (Business Ver): Pip Torok is online!<br />Callipygian Christensen: Can we place Claude's schdule in the transcript and have th ohter members vote by e-mail or in the Forum?<br />Claude Desmoulins: Gwyn pointed to a forum post from Rose thatso indicates,<br />Delia Lake: i think we can put that on the forum.<br />Delia Lake: and i'll request that everyone weigh in on the dates<br />Delia Lake: before thursday<br />Claude Desmoulins: OK<br />Callipygian Christensen: Yes, THursday is an offical RA meeting<br />Callipygian Christensen: I seem to recall it having a very specific one item agenda though.<br />Callipygian Christensen: One of the commissions<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: &quot;The agenda will be limited to the discussion of the Finance Commission report as presented on July 24. RA members are requested to review the transcript and legislation prior to Thursday's meeting. Thanks!&quot;<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'm sure that such an important issue like this could considerably be added to the agenda...<br />Callipygian Christensen: eep..Gwyn is in my head<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Calli!<br />Delia Lake: since it is now almost 1:30, i think we should postpone the discussion of the forum moderation. it is to ,me a rather urgent matter and should be discussed very soon<br />Tor Karlsvalt: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Tor Karlsvalt: somehow my memory got clouded.<br />Delia Lake: and Rose may have to add the election implementation to that agenda<br />Tor Karlsvalt: but that is right.<br />Delia Lake: Gwyn, re the forum. do you know who hosts it and in what country it is hosted?<br />Lilith Ivory: change the group tag of your memory Tor <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /><br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: The CDS forums?<br />Delia Lake: yes<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh... it's hosted by Dreamhost, in San Francisco <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Callipygian Christensen: Delia, I would suggest we begin the discussion of forum moderation by mail or forum so that when we meet we have already had an opportunity to consider peoples input<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: It used to be across the street from Linden Lab <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: agreed, Calli. i didn't have that piece of information though<br />Delia Lake: and who is the person who *owns* the forum?<br />Callipygian Christensen nods - was not meant as a 'why didn't we' <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: since there could be rl implications to moderation<br />Tor Karlsvalt laughs at Lilith's comment about my memory.<br />Lilith Ivory smiles<br />Delia Lake: do you know in whose name the forum space is registered, Gwyn?<br />Gwyneth Llewelyn: Privately to me <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br />Delia Lake: ok. ty<br />Delia Lake:<span style="color: #000080"> we will continue the discussion from 1. re the bi-election dates, and 2. forum moderation to the SC discussion of the Forum</span><br />Delia Lake: if there is no other business, i recommend that the SC adjourn<br />Claude Desmoulins: aye<br />Callipygian Christensen: aye]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:35:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hello all,<br /><br />As it could be seen on the <a href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3000" class="postlink">transcript of the second meeting</a>, it was a quite productive one, and we pretty much covered all items on the agenda! Thanks again to all who participated.<br /><br />Due to the recent changes in the CDS, two seats at the RA were left vacant, calling for immediate by-elections, but unfortunately none of the recommendations eventually being made will apply to these elections... but hopefully some of them might be in place for the next term.<br /><br />I propose that we do a final meeting — suggestions are welcome, and if nobody opposes, I'd suggest either Saturday, July 30 at either 9 or 11 AM (since the RA meeting was anticipated to Thursday) or Sunday, August 1 at 9 AM or at 11 AM (assuming that the New Guild doesn't meet that day), to review the document to be submitted as final recommendation to the RA.<br /><br />Based on the transcripts, here is a resumed version of the consensus reached so far (and also some notes where there wasn't a consensus!):<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">1. Explaining the voting system better</span><br /><br />This issue was left mostly undecided. It was found out that STV is not really well-understood by most, and although an open-source tool exists for validating the results (<a href="http://www.openstv.org/" class="postlink">OpenSTV</a>, used by the Dean to validate the last elections), explaining how the system works is beyond the abilities of most.<br /><br />No decision was made, although a suggestion was made to research into different, more easily explained systems; the chair also suggested to keep STV for a few terms at least to give people a certain familiarity with it.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">2. Campaigning and 3. Role of the SC in the election process</span><br /><br />It was felt that the role of the SC in the election process should just be limited to overseeing the campaigning. This leads itself to the following bill:<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic">Campaigning Act</span><br /><br />1. Campaigning starts officially two weeks before the last election day [My note: the second week of campaigning overlaps with the week where the election booths are open for voting]   <br />2. Campaigning ought to be supervised by the SC as they see fit, trying to keep a balance between limiting spam and allowing free access of candidates to do their campaigning. The RA might pass further legislation regarding campaigning, to be enforced by the SC.<br />3. Candidates would be allowed ONE group notice, with an attached notecard, announcing their candidacy and stating their platform; no further campaigning/political group notices are allowed. However, if candidates wish to &quot;sponsor&quot; a general event and use it to raise awareness as candidates, that's fine — as an event, it will be announced as usually. [My note: via in-world notices and IMs; via the portal; via the shared Google Calendar; via the forums; or via any other method that the Communication Commission sees fit to establish as a valid communication medium for the CDS Government]<br />4. Each candidate should be allowed to post their own notice.<br />5. The SC should collect notecards/pictures from candidates and set up a board (possibly at several locations) where citizens can learn about what the candidates stand for. This is non-intrusive and gives all a fair chance.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">4. Leader of the Representative Assembly (LRA) and 5. Eligibility and dates</span><br /><br />Bundling together these two items... the issue to be discussed is that the appointment/election of a new LRA is not codified in law now that we're using a STV system. Traditionally, the LRA was &quot;the candidate with the most votes&quot; (who, under St. League, was also a member of the winning faction). Since we have no more factions and STV doesn't translate the results directly into a &quot;candidate with most votes&quot;, a difficulty was created — the LRA is the person in charge for managing all meetings for the RA since Day One, but if the first meeting is the one that actually appoints a LRA, this method is flawed.<br /><br />Recent discussions at the Scientific Council also rejected the SC's interference with the RA's meeting schedule as being unconstitutional.<br /><br />Thus, a proposal was made for codifying more precisely the dates after the election (other dates, like the citizen roll call, the dates for announcing candidacy, and the actual election dates, were already codified in law):<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic">New Term Act</span><br /><br />1. The last day the voting booths are open is always a Saturday (until noon). The newly elected Representative Assembly will automatically meet on the immediately following Sunday at noon, unless the newly elected RA members decide, by majority, in the 24 hours following the closing of the voting booths, to meet at a different date, which cannot be set beyond 10 days after the voting booths were closed.<br />2. The agenda for the first term meeting mandatorily includes:<br />a) Inauguration Ceremony with Administration of the Oath to the newly elected Representative Assembly members by the Dean of the Scientific Council;<br />b) Election of the new Leader of the Representative Assembly, who will immediately chair the meeting;<br />c) State of the Nation address.<br />3. On the weekend after the first RA meeting for the new term, the Inauguration Ball will be held.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">6. Chancellor election</span><br /><br />This point was the one that received many fundamental changes. The following proposal will probably require a lot more discussion, but an approach was made to turn the CDS into a presidentialist system, where the Chancellor becomes elected by universal suffrage, and not by a college of electors.<br /><br />One of the reasons for the proposed change is to deal better with a factionless Representative Assembly. The previous model relied on the assumption that the winning faction would in effect nominate the Chancellor, as is the case in most parliamentary systems, thus having a RA-friendly Chancellor for a term. With the abolishment of factions, that model does not make sense.<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic">Chancellor Election Act</span><br /><br /><span style="text-decoration: underline">Constitutional changes:</span><br /><br />Art II, Section 5 - Deleted and replaced with:<br /><br />1. The Chancellor of the CDS shall be elected by universal suffrage of all citizens from among any CDS citizen who shall make application to the RA.<br />2. The Chancellor will serve a term ending with the election of the next Chancellor.<br />3. The Chancellor may not be elected to or serve on the Representative Assembly, nor serve on the Scientific Council. The Chancellor may hold a position in the Artisanal Collective but may not vote therein. [My note: remains as it was]<br /><br /><span style="text-decoration: underline">New Law:</span><br /><br />1. Chancellors are elected for a 12-month term and cannot hold two terms in succession [My note: see also below].<br />2. The application period shall finish on [to be discussed]. On the next day, all applicants will be listed by the LRA, and campaigning begins [My note: under the same terms of RA elections?]. Election booths will open on [TBD] and close on [TBD], overseen by the Scientific Council, which will announce the results on [TBD].<br />[TBD: 3. In case the Chancellor leaves its office or is removed from it mid-term, a special Chancellor by-election will be immediately called for by the RA, which will open new applications on the day notice was given and close applications after a week.]<br /><br />---<br /><br />Note that the suggestion of a 12-month term for the Chancellor follows the recommendations on the next item. Also, a suggestion was made that the terms of the Chancellor and the RA are not held simultaneously, mostly due to allow the Chancellor to prepare the budget with plenty of time; so possibly the Chancellor would be elected either in March/April or September/October and remain in power for a year. This will mean that candidates for the Chancellorship will present the budget as part of their campaigning, and thus also attract votes depending more on the kind of things they want to implement during their office (and less on their ideology). <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">7. Suggesting a limit of successive mandates</span><br /><br />The reason why no term limits were set in the CDS was due to the historically very low number of volunteers interested in participating in Government; on the other hand, this gave citizens the perception that always the same people are in power with little rotativity, thus discouraging their participation. As the CDS increased its population, the objection against limiting terms seems to have weakened. This commission thus proposed the following bill:<br /><br /><span style="text-decoration: underline">Term Limits Act</span><br /><br />No directly elected office in the CDS Government can be held by the same citizen more than two terms in succession. [Note: that makes it simple <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> Note that the SC and its Dean are <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> directly elected offices, and the roles like Estate Owner, Treasurer, PIO, Archivists, etc., who are members of the Civil Service and not elected but <span style="font-style: italic">appointed</span>, will be exempt from this rule. In fact, this will only apply to the Chancellor — in this case, limiting it to just one long 12-month term, as per the proposed law before — and to RA members]<br /><br />On the other hand, the major issue found by this commission is not really about &quot;people in power who remain in power&quot;, but in a perceived abuse of power — expressed through incivilities in public, for example — to officials who have repeatedly been elected. Thus, this commission also recommends the creation of a new entity to supervise the conduct of elected officials:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Standing Ethical Committee Act</span><br /><br />[much yet to be discussed!!]<br />1. The Standing Ethical Committee (SEC) is an advisory body to Government dedicated to validate the strict adherence of officials of the CDS Government to a Code of Conduct.<br />2. The SEC will be composed of three members: the Dean of the Scientific Council (who presides), the Chancellor, and the Leader of the Representative Assembly.<br />3. The SEC will establish a Code of Conduct to determine adequate behaviour of all elected officials, keeping the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and integrate them with the principles of politeness, transparency, accountability, and overall civility towards all other citizens.<br />4. The Code of Conduct will formally be approved by the RA as a law and remain in effect until it's revised by the SEC. [Note: since all officials solemnly affirm to uphold all CDS laws, this makes them automatically affirm to follow the Code of Conduct as well, since it'll just be another law] <br />5. Under the Code of Conduct, the SEC will formally review the conduct of elected officials, either by its own initiative or by request of any citizen, and keep a public journal of its meetings and its recommendations.<br />6. All decisions of the SEC will be made by a majority of its members.<br />7. The SEC will devise its own methods of meeting as well as any necessary internal regulations.<br />8. The SEC will formally recommend the removal of an official that repeatedly fails to comply with the established Code of Conduct, first by inviting the official to present their notice of resignation; in case of rejection, the SEC will notify the competent authorities to remove the offending official, either through normal mechanisms [e.g. the Chancellor can always be removed by a 2/3 vote of the RA] or impeachment [all officials in the CDS can ultimately be impeached].<br />9. The Scientific Council will be charged with overseeing that the SEC complies with its own Code of Conduct.<br /><br />Note that the SEC is only an <span style="font-style: italic">advisory</span> body (similar to the New Guild) and not an <span style="font-style: italic">executive</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">judiciary</span>, or <span style="font-style: italic">legislative</span> one. It has no powers except to <span style="font-style: italic">recommend</span>. Nevertheless, it's expected, for the good of the community, that its recommendations are followed. The extreme case — recommending impeachment — might simply never be followed, and there is no requirement whatsoever to do anything with those recommendations, but it would be seen as outrageous if the Code of Conduct was being deliberately violated and the SEC's recommendations completely ignored!  <br /><br />---<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic">Final notes</span> (not part of the recommendation!)<br /><br />Please take into account that this is a <span style="font-style: italic">draft</span> document! While some things are taken directly from the transcripts, and are thus relatively consensual, others are not. The Election Commission hasn't &quot;formalised&quot; anything yet, except perhaps the few campaigning rules. The rest is really just some notes jotted down hurriedly, based on what was said and what I interpreted to be the will of the commission, and which should just serve as a base to facilitate discussion (it's always easier to start with a working document instead of empty air!). So please comment, change things, yell &quot;that's not what I meant!&quot;, and make sure that all contributions are properly recorded!<br /><br />Also, feel free to suggest which time slots (presented at the beginning) would work better for you.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:17:00 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Carolyn Saarinen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Gwyneth Llewelyn wrote:</cite>Desmond, I'd love to move our sims near to Caledon <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></div></blockquote><br />Good, bugger off.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Carolyn Saarinen)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:56:55 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Carolyn Saarinen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Carolyn Saarinen wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>You employ the sneer as a standard debating device, but here you've over-reached yourself.</div></blockquote><br />If Robert's comparison is over-reaching Pip, what can be said about yours: Pat as Julius Caesar? This is sycophancy gone too far even for you.<br />Unless you mean this version: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw" class="postlink">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw</a></div></blockquote><br /><br />Are you sitting comfortably, Carolyn? ... Then I'll begin:</div></blockquote><br /><br />Patronising bleeder lately ain't cha? Go on<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>When people at a leave-taking are &quot;mindful&quot; of some passage like this one, it very often means that it's only a small bit, or small bits, of a passage that they think of, not the whole chunk from &quot;Friends ...&quot; until &quot;till it come back to me.&quot; Do <span style="text-decoration: underline">you</span> know anyone who can recite it through by heart, Carolyn?</div></blockquote><br /><br />No, I don't, since I don't number RSC members among my acquaintance (I wish I did there might be cheap tickets in it). <br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>Many people among those I'm acquainted with would have known this already. They would have gone to the first key &quot;couplet&quot; (= a set of two lines). And here is that &quot;couplet&quot;:<br /><br />&quot;The evil that men do lives after them,<br />The good is oft interred in their graves; ...&quot;</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yep yep, I know what a couplet is. I do believe my English Lit lecturers mentioned it. But first key couplet? Key is your reading. The definitely first couplet is:<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>    Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;<br />    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Rather more appropriate, in my view, but go on....<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>Now here's the hard part, Carolyn:</div></blockquote><br /><br />Braces herself.<br /><br /><blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>Do you think the point of it is to encourage you to say good things at a &quot;leave-taking&quot;, or else to say nothing? ....</div></blockquote><br /><br />That's a dichotomy you offer Pip. I'm not sure yours is the last word on Shakespeare's play. For myself, I'd hold to the notion that since Pat isn't dead and is/was <span style="font-style: italic">certainly</span> no Caesar, your quotation, with it's implied comparison, is a lot of pompous bollocks.<br /><br />Still. Stand together, that's the main thing<br /><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/4831736891_b14f5a57b3.jpg" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Tor Karlsvalt</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Desmond  or rather Your Excellency, Guvnah, <br /><br />Thanks you for your post.  I have not had such a good laugh while reading these forums until today.    Rebel Provinces!!!   LOL!!   I have heard of our wars and am a bit miffed now that we have not erected any monuments to the citizens who served in the conflicts.    We will have to establish a commission to argue (ahem) i mean discuss, how the CDS victories over Monarchist Caledon should be commemorated.<br /><br />I think tho, Desmond, you know nothing of real war if your disputes with neighboring rival kingdoms can solve disputes over tea.   As you are all too well aware, citizen friends in CDS cannot decide on a lunch menu that easily.  <br /><br />BTW, as a helper on Help People Island, thanks for the good work Caledon seems to have always done with new residents to SL.  <br /><br />Tor Karlsvalt<br />Member of the 13th RA, CDS.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:00:25 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Tor Karlsvalt</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Good Luck with your new home and promotion.   I  wish you the best.  <br /><br />Tor]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:37:14 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Pip Torok</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Carolyn Saarinen wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>You employ the sneer as a standard debating device, but here you've over-reached yourself.</div></blockquote><br />If Robert's comparison is over-reaching Pip, what can be said about yours: Pat as Julius Caesar? This is sycophancy gone too far even for you.<br />Unless you mean this version: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw" class="postlink">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw</a></div></blockquote><br /><br />Are you sitting comfortably, Carolyn? ... Then I'll begin:<br /><br />When people at a leave-taking are &quot;mindful&quot; of some passage like this one, it very often means that it's only a small bit, or small bits, of a passage that they think of, not the whole chunk from &quot;Friends ...&quot; until &quot;till it come back to me.&quot; Do <span style="text-decoration: underline">you</span> know anyone who can recite it through by heart, Carolyn?<br /><br />Many people among those I'm acquainted with would have known this already. They would have gone to the first key &quot;couplet&quot; (= a set of two lines). And here is that &quot;couplet&quot;:<br /><br />&quot;The evil that men do lives after them,<br />The good is oft interred in their graves; ...&quot;<br /><br />Now here's the hard part, Carolyn: Do you think the point of it is to encourage you to say good things at a &quot;leave-taking&quot;, or else to say nothing? ....<br /><br />Yes, I know. It is hard. But I hope you can answer it before your head starts hurting too much.  <br /><br /> &quot;I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son-of-a-bitch,<br /> although he was, but that's not against the law for generals.<br /> If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be<br /> in gaol.&quot;<br /><br />-- Harry S Truman (Plain Speaking)<br /><br />Pip Torok]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:57:28 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Scientific Council Announcements :: SC Meeting Monday July 26, 2010 :: Author Delia Lake</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The SC will meet Monday, July 26, at Noon, SLT, in the Rathaus in Neufreistadt.  There are two agenda items today.  1. Setting up the CDS bi-election (re request of the RA in this Saturday's meeitng), including ruling on Arria's request for the SC to determine whether the Election Campaign Rules which was passed by the 12th RA is &quot;law of the land&quot; even though the Proposed Constitutional Amendment to replace Article IV, Section 4 - Campaigning did not pass. (<a href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=2945" class="postlink">http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=2945</a>) 2.  The SC responsibility for and moderation of the Forum. (Forum Moderation Forum  - The Scientific Council is responsible for moderating and maintaining the C.D.S. discussion forums. The Forum Moderation Forum gives S.C. members a centralized forum to discuss and announce their decisions on these activities and any appeals.<a href="http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=sc0" class="postlink">http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=sc0</a>)]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:54:53 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Carolyn Saarinen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Pip Torok wrote:</cite>You employ the sneer as a standard debating device, but here you've over-reached yourself.</div></blockquote><br />If Robert's comparison is over-reaching Pip, what can be said about yours: Pat as Julius Caesar? This is sycophancy gone too far even for you.<br />Unless you mean this version: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw" class="postlink">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw</a>]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:43:18 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Rose,<br /><br />I'm glad you set the matter straight. With all due respect to Kas and her opinions, which are welcome, I'm so glad to hear that they are neither your opinions (neither Jamie's), nor even perhaps representative of a majority of citizens. That's very, very encouraging to hear. You don't realise the relief I had when reading your post here — and yes, I was really at my wits' end. It's tough hearing all the time from so many sources that all that the AA residents <span style="font-style: italic">really</span> wanted is to abolish the CDS' institutions, get rid of its values, and replace it with benevolent dictatorship. When it's just one person, I'm happy: variety of opinions is generally a good thing, even if those opinions are attacking fundamental core values of the CDS. They often point to flaws in the system, like the one you mention: inertia.<br /><br />I just worry when it's not one, nor two, but whole masses of residents expressing the same views, over and over again. But I now also realise that just because those &quot;masses&quot; are vocal, they are not a majority; and that the silent majority was really not after overthrowing the CDS (nor AA!).<br /><br />Thanks for your post. And I do apologise if I inaccurately represented a minority opinion that was hardly &quot;mainstream&quot;, but was just very strongly presented as that.<br /><br />Robert, please don't insult our intelligence <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> Your rants are particularly amusing, specially because I happen to have read a few &quot;revisionist&quot; historians, and they love to adopt a style similar to yours. Revisionist history is fun if you see it as literary fiction — when it adopts the name of &quot;alternative history&quot; among its fans — but pathetic when people actually believe what they're saying. In your case, I don't know which is which; I choose to accept it as a poorly constructed attempt to make some humour out of the situation at my expense. Well, so be it, I actually smiled when reading that <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> Keep that humour vein flowing, and I might even *laugh* at it!<br /><br />Jamie, while I might disagree with some your points, I actually agree on your last one, e.g. that collaborative democracy opposes representative democracy, at least ideologically. But I have to admit that it took me some time to understand that, and it only came from reading some authors on the subject. Most of the ones I read tend to argue for collaborative democracy is usually by postulating that representative democracy is and will always be a form of adversarial system, where factions or parties (explicitly created or loosely, informally formed by groups of similarly-aligned individuals) entrench themselves with a stubbornly held opinion and refuse to compromise — but are willing to accept a majority vote to settle the score. This, authors conclude, will always mean that the will of the people comes as a distant second to actually &quot;winning&quot; a discussion/vote at the representative assembly; it also follows that demagogy and hypocrisy will become popular tools for each &quot;side&quot; of the arguing parties to influence the vote. Collaborative democracy, by contrast, and by removing the &quot;need&quot; of elected representatives (each citizen represents themselves directly), pushes decisions at the more appropriate level bringing all interested citizens to the same discussion and generally adopt a consensus (i.e. local issues might be decided by consensus simply by calling a neighbourhood meeting to settle an argument and make a decision; there is no need to &quot;trickle&quot; the issue upwards to &quot;central government&quot; if it can be settled locally). Using electronic participation tools, the system is more dynamic than classical models of direct democracy, since groups where decisions are made are not fixed (citizens just join the ones discussing the issues they find more interesting) and can grow and shrink depending on interest (thus avoiding a certain lethargy of &quot;too much voting&quot; which is common to classical direct democracy models).<br /><br />The assumption that representative democracy is <span style="font-style: italic">always</span> adversarial is, however, just that: an assumption. Of course it's easy to make the case for the CDS, where people are always arguing, all the time — but &quot;arguing&quot;, by itself, is not necessarily a bad thing (see <a href="http://ezinearticles.com/?Democracy---Its-Not-Supposed-to-Be-Polite&amp;id=4559591" class="postlink">Dahl's article on &quot;politeness in democracy&quot;</a>). In fact, it's far more dangerous to have a system where dissenting opinions, because they're not &quot;politely worded&quot;, are discarded. Nevertheless, as said, it doesn't really mean that representative democracy is all about being unpolite and adversarial and entrenching opinions. The irony is that some groups in the CDS RA were persuaded — and I use that word in its positive sense! — to dramatically support opposing views to the ones held a few years before. Some might argue that this is just hypocrisy — but in truth it just means that opinions <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> change (even radically so!) when sufficient argumentation (and documentation!) is provided to support a different opinion.<br /><br />Similarly, due to the nature of dynamic groups in collaborative democracy models, it's far easier to exclude dissenting opinions from minorities — just break up the group and form a new one and &quot;forget&quot; to invite the dissenters, and call the decisions of the second group as being &quot;final&quot;. More to the point, the most severe critics of collaborative democracy models actually point out a different weakness: that it becomes impossible, due to its extreme dynamics, for a group with an opinion to extend themselves across <span style="font-style: italic">all</span> decision groups to present an united front. They might simply have less members than the number of decision groups in existence and be unable to attend to all of them simultaneously. Some, of course, love this by design — because it efficiently <span style="font-style: italic">dis</span>allows dissenting, organised groups to be very active, while on representative democracies, these groups usually just need to lobby at the top level and can be far more efficient in pushing their agenda — even if they are a small minority. Another issue is related to the problem of dealing with experts. Current representative democracy models assume that elected politicians have little or no experience of dealing with the &quot;real world&quot; (they're often not professionals) and rely on experts to determine what they should do or not. Even the bureaucratic arm of the State is usually modelled to allow the figureheads to be politicians but leave most of the decisions in the hands of an executive board which has the training, the knowledge, and the experience to put politics into practice. A pure collaborative democracy means that the experts are not a &quot;requirement&quot;, at least at governmental level, since they only need to be participating at the group level to make their opinions known. But here lies another problem: expert opinion — by definition rare and limited in number compared to mainstream opinion — will always be in a minority and will have a hard time arguing inside an ad-hoc group, and will very likely never be heard as part of a consensus.<br /><br />A typical example is a discussion around taxes. In classical representative democracies, raising or lowering taxes are used as political tools for winning a vote at the representative level — but no serious politician will ever assume a &quot;zero tax&quot; policy, because economics experts will then ask them where they will get money to support their <span style="font-style: italic">other</span> policies? Promising to &quot;lower taxes&quot; might just be demagogy (and rightly seen as such by the media) because experts will never allow that to actually be implemented — at least not to the level of the &quot;promises&quot; made. On the other side of the coin, a politician gleefully promising to lower taxes to zero will immediately be flagged by expert opinion-makers — and later by the mainstream media picking up on those opinions — as being a pure demagogue, and so <span style="font-style: italic">most</span> politicians will be more moderate in what they can actually promise (and yes, we all know how populist parties break and shatter this rule completely...).<br /><br />However, in a pure collaborative democracy, this might be handled differently. At the ad-hoc group level where the decision to lower the taxes to zero is first introduced, the number of available economic experts to argue against this change might be small. Even if the group happens to be lucky enough to get an economist on board, he or she might not be able to convince the whole group that lowering taxes to zero is a bad idea. Even if they're very skilful speakers, their audience might simply lack the know-how to correctly evaluate the explanation. If you never had the tiniest background in economics, the need for taxes might never be apparent — and that will be expressed by a majority of all ad-hoc groups, simply because the number of available economists, and the number of people who, while not experts, are at least able to understand an economist's reasoning, will be tiny compared to the majority of citizens in the group. Thus, insane policies like abolishing all taxes, which are expressed by a majority of citizens at all times throughout history, will easily become &quot;law&quot; under a pure collaborative democracy — collapsing the State.<br /><br />Of course I'm aware this is an extreme case. Nevertheless, I'm sure you can see the point defended here: a lot of issues decided for a community requires specialised, technical knowledge, which is always held just by a very small minority. Under a pure collaborative democracy, those issues will often be decided based on common sense — the prevailing opinion of the majority of people — and not based on technical knowledge of the issue. One might argue that, by contrast, other issues — of moral or ethical nature — do <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> require representative democracy at all, but just direct consultation of the citizens, and that representative democracy is actually a factor hindering the ethical and moral advance of societies by imposing the prevailing morals and ethics of the currently elected group of representatives upon all the citizens, while these morals and ethics might not even be universally shared (not even by a majority!). Classifying what is a &quot;moral&quot; or &quot;ethical&quot; issue that can &quot;safely&quot; be decided collaboratively by ad-hoc groups, and what is a technical issue that requires experts to provide proper understanding, is probably the most complex question to be answered in <span style="font-style: italic">any</span> kind of democracy! (Some countries, for instance, forbid holding referenda on technical issues but encourage Governments to hold them just for moral and ethical issues instead)<br /><br />What some authors recommend is a mixed model — instead of limiting legislation to be confined to a single branch of Government &quot;at the top&quot;, create ad-hoc groups at all levels, allowing citizens to spontaneously group however they like, by preparing recommendations for legislation, aware that these recommendations have reached consensus by interested citizens. Under most Governments, public opinion is often called by them, to be argued and discussed by all citizens. However, in some cases, this &quot;call for public opinion&quot; can be extremely biased — e.g. Government prepares a list of opinion-makers and experts to discuss &quot;publicly&quot; the issue. Here I believe that a methodology more aligned with the goals of collaborative democracy is far more efficient and leads to more fair results. Let ad-hoc groups discuss the issues and present proposals. They can be validated by so-called experts <span style="font-style: italic">later</span> — after public opinion got a chance to discuss them first and achieve a consensus. And representatives that fail to implement what those ad-hoc groups have suggested will have to politically defend their choice and assume the political responsibility of not implementing the citizens' will (usually, that means they won't be elected again!).<br /><br />The CDS, since it started using commissions back in 2006, is closer to that mixed approach, although it's also true that we never had so many commissions as during this term <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> (we have to thank Rose for that!)<br /><br />Then there is always the big discussion about &quot;size&quot;. I don't know how to argue about that, because I certainly have seen — and been part of! — far smaller groups that used a representative democracy model to self-manage their affairs, and often these had way more complex systems of rules to go by than we have in the CDS... and yes, I have also seen small villages with even less than 120 citizens to be finely separated among party ideologies and fighting for a seat at the local assembly of representatives (usually with just 3, 5, or at most 7 members) way stronger than we do in the CDS; and, on the other side of the scale, I found it very interesting to see how the direct democracy tradition of Switzerland is very much alive on small villages where every Sunday issues are called out on the market place and people just need to raise a sword to vote &quot;aye&quot; on an issue (swords are conveniently rented on stalls set up for the purpose; anyone can vote, even visiting tourists!), which sounded way weird for me — but it worked quite well in the past 6 or 7 centuries for the Swiss living in those villages <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />So I'm not entirely persuaded that we have a too complex system; it's really more a question of perception. For some (like me!) our system is too simple — it has far too many loopholes, leaves far too many things to &quot;interpretation&quot;, and there are few frameworks (good exceptions are, for instance, the Expansion Acts, which are rather thorough — that was your excellent work, Jamie! — and at the level of what I would expect all legislation in the CDS to be). But I'm sure that no two citizens would agree on that <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />Nevertheless it's hard to argue against a better politician being one that is actively engaged in the community, and so I agree that it's worth thinking seriously about what you propose. I like the idea of setting a minimum number of hours per week of presence in the year prior to the election. At the very least, I second the suggestion.<br /><br />Oh, and Desmond, I'd love to move our sims near to Caledon <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:05:43 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Representative Assembly Discussion :: 7-day vote request for RA July 29th :: Author muhammedyussif</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Really this time I can't attend because travelling abroad for one week from Wednesday to Tuesday. If it is needed I ask for 7-day vote in all items.]]></description>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Great quotes, Pip <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />And we'll be missing you, Pat — but I'm sure you'll be able to return as soon as your RL move is completed! Even though that might take some time, I know...<br /><br />Cheers!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:39:27 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Pip Torok</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Robert Walpole wrote:</cite>Pat,<br /><br />You are the spit-image British reincarnation of Pim Fortuyn! Men like you are dangerous in every walk of life -real or virtual. Congratulations on being promoted to your level of incompetence!<br /><br />I wish you everything you deserve!</div></blockquote><br /><br />Ah yes .... theRobert Walpole, otherwise known as Michel Manen ... we meet again.<br /><br />You employ the sneer as a standard debating device, but here you've over-reached yourself.<br /><br />Whenever anyone leaves, nearly all of us become mindful of Anthony's speech in Julius Caesar, and make an effort to say only good. You didn't, and I imagine that you'll not ever regret it. That behaviour may be what you are, your 'Ding An Sich', as Goethe would have put it. So be it.<br /><br />But then you really blundered. You compared Patroklus Murakami to Pim Fortuyn. And that comparison has opened up the real and hidden heart of you.<br /><br />For those unacquainted with Dutch politics, here is a vignette of the late Pim Fortuyn's thinking:<br /><br />-- Stronger measures to fight crime<br />-- Less bureaucracy in government<br />-- Reduction of teacher shortages in schools<br />-- Shortening of waiting lists for hospital treatment<br />-- Repatriation of those immigrants who &quot;won't integrate into Dutch society&quot;<br /><br />whereas Pat's own thinking could be summarised here:<br /><br />&quot;Your split between debate and community is yet another false dichotomy. We can have both.   Political debate is a means to an end, not an end in itself. We need free and unrestricted speech in order to debate the issues and reach the right conclusions. We have a community. I think the distinction is between a closed society where certain topics are off limits, where the community maintains cohesion through repression, where, for example, people are 'discouraged' from free discussion on blogs and forums and told to 'keep it inworld'; and an open society where there are multiple sources of information, discussion and debate and freedom to say what you believe by the lights of your own conscience *even if that offends some people*. I think you favour a closed society, I think many other people in the CDS do. I favour the open society which the CDS was based on.&quot;<br /><br />Can any reader think of a more profound contrast between Pim and Pat? I can't.<br /><br />Now I, Pip Torok, am an advocate of Jung's idea of the &quot;<span style="text-decoration: underline">shadow</span>&quot;. Google wikipedia for &quot;Shadow (Psychology)&quot; to get the background. It's naught for my comfort, so it may make uncomfortable reading for you too.<br /><br />If it has validity, then you, Michel Manen, have marked yourself out as one of those &quot;Men ... who are dangerous in every walk of life -- real or virtual&quot;. Hoist by your own petard.<br /><br />&quot;Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears;<br />I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.<br />The evil that men do lives after them,<br />The good is oft interred with their bones;<br />so let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus<br />Hath told you Caesar was ambitious;<br />If it were so, it was a grievous fault;<br />And grievously hath Caesar answered it.&quot;<br /><br />-- Shakespeare, Julius Caesar III, 2<br /><br />Pip Torok]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Patroklus Murakami wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Robert Walpole wrote:</cite>Pat,<br /><br />You are the spit-image British reincarnation of Pim Fortuyn! Men like you are dangerous in every walk of life -real or virtual. Congratulations on being promoted to your level of incompetence!<br /><br />I wish you everything you deserve!</div></blockquote><br />LOL! Cheers Robert (alt of Michel Manen). I wish you love and light, love and light <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></div></blockquote><br /><br />In one of her books, Simone de Beauvoir mentioned that Nelson Algren had casually handed her the greatest accolade he could possibly have given her ....<br /><br />In Nelson's view, Simone had made the right enemies.<br /><br />I agree, as it happens. And if you do, you must be feeling particularly good this morning!  <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /> <br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />'Don't you come that stuff, Jim Garland!  We always <br /> were English, and we always will be English, an' just<br /> because we _are_ English, we're sticking up for our<br /> right to be Burgundians!'<br /><br />-- 'Passport to Pimlico' 1949<br /><br />Pip Torok]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Robert Walpole wrote:</cite>Pat,<br /><br />You are the spit-image British reincarnation of Pim Fortuyn! Men like you are dangerous in every walk of life -real or virtual. Congratulations on being promoted to your level of incompetence!<br /><br />I wish you everything you deserve!</div></blockquote><br />LOL! Cheers Robert (alt of Michel Manen). I wish you love and light, love and light <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Transcript Continued, Alpine Regional Committee, July 25th :: Reply by Sonja Strom</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[[13:31] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: how many musicisans do we need</span><br />[13:31] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: and we should allput the poster on what ever land we have on other sims</span><br />[13:31] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: here is a picture of the dancing in the past: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=1384">viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=1384</a><!-- l --></span><br />[13:31] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[13:31] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray has a look</span></span><br />[13:31] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: how does something get listed as an event on search.</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: easy i can do that ..</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: me too</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: oh no i cannot</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: land??</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hm, yes...</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: one must be in the group that owns the land to be able to give the location accurately.</span><br />[13:32] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: anyone who has land should be able to</span><br />[13:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: But actually making the posting is not difficult.</span><br />[13:33] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: how about posters?</span><br />[13:33] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Lilth is making the poster</span><br />[13:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I´m going to make one )</span><br />[13:33] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: great ㋡</span><br />[13:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, Rosie... for example, if the posting is for the Marktplatz, then the person making the posting must be in the group that owns the Marktplatz</span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray nods</span></span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Lilith can you have it give a link to our portal maybe. The event calendar</span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I'm pretty sure that would be the Land Verwaltung.</span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: not in that group.</span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes should be possible <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I can invite anybody who needs it for the events.</span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: well you know, anyone beside the marketplatz can also do a posting</span><br />[13:34] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: it would make for more hits</span><br />[13:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: good idea <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, for their place <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:35] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that is a good idea Rosie</span><br />[13:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I have one other overall idea,</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: which is that we organise some events together with the AM United Artists group in the Old Bowl Theater on Alpine Meadow.</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: it is a nice location.</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that would be good lilith</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it is, it should be used more often</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: what is it?</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: sorry, time for me to leave now... thanks for organizaing the meeting, Sonja... bye <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: If you agree, I will contact them about it.</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: an outdoor theater</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: bye Timo</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Thanks for coming Timo!</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: byebye Timo <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: bye Timo</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: bye timo</span><br />[13:36] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Rosie, we can go there.</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will show it to you.</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh thanks Sonja</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: It has not been used for a while, I don't think.</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I must have seen, but didn't know what it was</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: kind of down the lane from my cabin.</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Pip used to do poetry readings there</span><br />[13:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: it is sort of at the height of the monastery, on Alpine Meadow</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray thinks she has explored the sims fairly well, but not always obvious what the locations are intended for</span></span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: sure, no problem <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Any other ideas?</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: actually that would be a good place for say evening walzes.</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes, it could work for that</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: does someone have the appropriate drinks and food for Oktoberfest?</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i remember they did that in a park in vienna</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: for the Alpine sims?</span><br />[13:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hm, maybe Rose has those...</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will ask her about that.</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have barrels in the Monastery</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Right rosies, beer kegs and sausages.</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in the ceiling</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes, Arria, I meant my question mostly only for these three sims...</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: lol, makes me think about creating a PIO assistant Alt</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Neufreistadt, Monastery, and Alpine Meadow.</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in the cellar, sorry</span><br />[13:39] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: and I heard someone mention musicians... is there a polka band?</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: an Alt who has all items stored for the actual Pio to use</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: lol, Lilith</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hm, good idea Lilith!</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it would be good to have an inventary alt, I agree</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: for ball dances, stages, booths, etc...</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes as most items are not transferable</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Tyroller Eck if we can get them</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: like MoCaSo Oh,</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: or Mona Schism for the monastery</span><br />[13:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: who is the alt for the Museum of Contemporary Art</span><br />[13:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, right!</span><br />[13:41] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray gave you yodel schweizer jodler.</span></span><br />[13:41] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: jololahity</span><br />[13:41] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[13:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[13:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: jololahity</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: a Swiss fellow visiting NFS last week gave that to me</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: jololahity</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: would be fun to give out at the events</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jololahity</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe yes</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jololahity</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: great</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[13:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: maybe he can come back for Oktoberfest <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: haha maybe... I don't remember his name</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: but he loved the sim</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: said it was just like where he lives</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: great!</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: check your chat log if you have tem</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: tehm</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: them</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: did you invite him to our group?</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: is there any part of the events that nobody is organising?</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: no I was going to</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: but he left too quickly</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: oh I see</span><br />[13:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: can i invite to the CDS group?</span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: never tried</span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I can't invite anyone anyway</span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: oh, interesting</span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: you have to jump on them, push them on the ground and then invite them <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it was more a joke from my side</span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I don't own that group, but can try to help make it so citizens can invite people into it.</span><br />[13:44] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh wait... hmmm maybe I can invite people to C.D.S.</span><br />[13:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think we have somebody taking care of all of the events we talked about here.</span><br />[13:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: If anybody wants help with them, I will be glad to help, and to help with bringing others into it.</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i think i can too.</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: have to do that</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I just looked, and citizens can</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: great</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in the list you gave to us in the beginning, a concert in the church was proposed</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that was easy, lol</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I think it's a good idea</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, me too</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: near Christmas</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh lovely</span><br />[13:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: sounds good</span><br />[13:47] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: a concert by whom?</span><br />[13:47] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that would be good near christmas.</span><br />[13:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we have to find someone. I have found a SL resident in facebook who play classical music in rl and in SL</span><br />[13:47] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: there are quite a few</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, I have heard his music</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it was nice</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: ohis it draxtors friend</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: hes german</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: ??</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I would like to contact him</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: could always liase with the Classical Music Aficonados group</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that is a good idea Rosie</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Rosie, that would be very good.</span><br />[13:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it was a music appropriate for a church</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: well if the other person doesn't work out</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: maybe I contact this person first</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: We might want to change some of that symbolism in the church.</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: if it doesnt work, we can look further</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: yes do that first Arria, that sounds good</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok, thank you</span><br />[13:49] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I would like to inform about the activities of the Monastery, to coordinate a bit</span><br />[13:50] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I am working on a new exhibition whose theme is CLOUDS</span><br />[13:50] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I hope to open it in october</span><br />[13:50] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I have a question about the dance pavillion.. mainly that I can't place it there because I don't have permissions</span><br />[13:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Rosie, I can give you those permissions.</span><br />[13:51] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: is the musician justus yiyuan arria?</span><br />[13:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: no</span><br />[13:52] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: k</span><br />[13:52] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: thanks Sonja</span><br />[13:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I plan also to organize some hunts in the Monastery sim</span><br />[13:52] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: what kind of hunts Arria?</span><br />[13:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: treasure hunt</span><br />[13:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I did in the Monastery already</span><br />[13:53] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray nods: well if you don't have one, I can recommend a great treasure hunt system</span></span><br />[13:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: which one?</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: we could have a treasure hunt throughout this area, or even the CDS <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: let me find a link</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: one sec</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: would that be too big?</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, thank you</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: maybe, SOnja</span><br />[13:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the Monastery sim is interesting because a lot of room betwee the houses</span><br />[13:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: but we can move from sim to sim, I agree</span><br />[13:55] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&amp;file=item&amp;ItemID=1414060">https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?n ... ID=1414060</a><!-- m --></span><br />[13:55] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: treasure hunt game</span><br />[13:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: great <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:56] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: welcome</span><br />[13:56] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: ㋡</span><br />[13:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: great</span><br />[13:56] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: it works very well, I've used it</span><br />[13:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: thank you</span><br />[13:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I will read the description</span><br />[13:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I would like to add that Ulysse wants to make a ski slope on the sim this winter</span><br />[13:57] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh fun!</span><br />[13:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we did last winter already</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that would be great</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that should be good</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes cool</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: how about a skating rink too?</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: could we volunteer him here to organise the skiing in the CDS?</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he will improve and maybe add a timing system</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: have hot chocolate with shapps at the monastery</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: thos monks make shnaps, right</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, Tor. Did you visit the cellar?</span><br />[13:58] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: mmmmmm</span><br />[13:59] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: schnaps is already available. I can add hot chocolate <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:59] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha great</span><br />[13:59] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[14:00] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: skating: the roman sims will freeze the river and we will freeze hte lake too</span><br />[14:00] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I had also vendors for skate</span><br />[14:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: skating there is fun <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: it is large enough to be an adventure</span><br />[14:00] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we need also vendors for ski</span><br />[14:01] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I will contact a famous ski designer</span><br />[14:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: when we tried to have skating in NFS it was so small.... and nobody used it here.</span><br />[14:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: That would be great Arria</span><br />[14:01] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes that would be good</span><br />[14:01] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: you can have a long slope in the Monastry sim and if we add a sim above the Monastery, it will be more fun <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Ulysse knows pretty well about ski and snowboad in SL</span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: it would be nice if you could skate from one sim to the other</span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: continuously</span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: perfect - I hope he will not mind our assigning this to him <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I saw a guy having a great time snowbording near Anzere the other day.</span><br />[14:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we can organize a race</span><br />[14:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes Rosie, that's how it is <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:03] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Ulysse will do this task with pleasure</span><br />[14:03] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh excellent</span><br />[14:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: wonderful</span><br />[14:03] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I have not met Ulysse</span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he was at the RA yesterday</span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray nods</span></span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, he was sitting behind you Rosie <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I think I have missed a lot of people still</span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh, okay</span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: but he left before the end</span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: so did I</span><br />[14:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: anybody have anything else for these three sims for now?</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well that is what an event will do, get us all together</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he built the sim of the Monastery with me</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Whenever we want, we can have another meeting...</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and also made the conception of the LA sim</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I am done, ty</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Rosie said maybe she could become a Co-Chair of it in the future too <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: pobably should to at least report on progress</span><br />[14:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Alright, Tor</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: how often would you like to hold them?</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: monthly maybe</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: monthy might be good</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: lol, well I will have to ease into anything like that</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we do so in the roman sims</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: more often if necessay in sept.</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: alright -if we want to do that, we should schedule the next meeting now.</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes for Oktoberfests</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: mybe we should have another meeting before the octoberfest</span><br />[14:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: to make sure everything works</span><br />[14:07] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: that seems like a good idea Lilith</span><br />[14:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: if we will meet once a month,</span><br />[14:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: then the next meeting would be in August</span><br />[14:07] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:08] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: how about Saturday, August 28?</span><br />[14:08] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: fine for me</span><br />[14:08] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: probably ok</span><br />[14:08] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I can add an information about the portal</span><br />[14:08] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: probably okay for me too</span><br />[14:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have started to add informations about the roman sims like places to see: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=385">http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=385</a><!-- m --></span><br />[14:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: fine for me also</span><br />[14:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have mentionned the regional committee</span><br />[14:10] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I can do the same for here</span><br />[14:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: btw, I have a sign on my property with the events. if we have land elsewhere we all should do the same</span><br />[14:10] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I will coordinate with Anna. She is making maps with TP for places of interests</span><br />[14:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I always have signs on my property also</span><br />[14:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: those maps are great</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, I agree with you</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: is it like the one in the Marketplatz?</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the idea is to have this information on the portal too</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: uhm ... maybe they would look even better if there is a nice frame around them</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I think the map is good, but the sign itself needs to be integrated into the theme</span><br />[14:11] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: yes exactly LIlith</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: probably Lilith.</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory agrees with Rosie</span></span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: maybe you can help to make nice frames</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: honestly I first thought the one in LA would be litter</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I can do for sure <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: maybe NFS could look like a kookoo clock</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: yes I thought so too</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in the past, Moon has made such things</span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: we had the same idea at the commerce commision <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[14:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I don't think she as time now</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: lol</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I have never seen her online</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: we should try to keep it low prim</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: just full of great ideas</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh yes, always low prim</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: hahah</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: better to be pragmatic and to do</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i like those clocks too</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: but you can do a lot with low prim</span><br />[14:13] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[14:14] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Moon is a great builder but very very busy</span><br />[14:14] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">1st Floor</span>: rezer script startup</span><br />[14:14] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">2ond Floor</span>: rezer script startup</span><br />[14:14] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-weight: bold">3rd Floor</span>: rezer script startup</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in the past, we have discussed the kiosks at the guild, but it was a long processs</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: too many cooks can spoil the broth, lol</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: well, I ve to leave you now</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: anna is having a problme with the kiosks</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: she needs perms</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: getting way hungry <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: and can't get in touch with brian</span><br />[14:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: bye Lil</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Anna has also had permissions problems,</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: bye Lilith</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: see you later <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: because a lot of them are owned by Brian</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: bye for now</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: see you Lilith!</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Thanks for coming.</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: bye bye Lilith</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: he apparently owns the kiosks</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Does anybody have a problem with the transcript from this meeting being posted?</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we should solve this problem once: threw them all and make new ones in tranfer mode</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: no</span><br />[14:16] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes Tor, most of them.</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I agree Arria</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: no problem with posting it</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: thanks</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and have a copy in the archive avatar</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: anything that is a public build should be able to be dealt with</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right, an i heard CDS paid for them</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: no problem to post the transcript</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: so why is brian the owner.</span><br />[14:17] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: if they were paid for, then he should have transfered all perms</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: At the moment Anna is using an Info Kiosk that she is able to copy to replace those she is not able to do anything with.</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: there are several examples like that in CDS, not only the kiosk</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: I'd love to see the rest of the discussion <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right Rosie. but maybe that was not done on all of hem</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: certainly not the one in CN</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray nods</span></span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think that is the case, yes.</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have realized that when I became PIO ...</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: me too!</span><br />[14:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: when I became Chancellor I mean.</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: you have to know who has the kiosk, who has the dance balls, who has the textures, ...</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yep</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: This meeting has now gone over two hours.</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: can some of this stuff be deeded to a group?</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think let's end it here.</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: wow</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: ㋡</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: time flies</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, I agree</span><br />[14:19] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: jololahity</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it was a good meeting</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jololahity</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hahaa</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: naturally we will be in contact with each other.</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i might be sick of that by oktoberfest</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jololahity</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: hahahha</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: well then let's not overuse it</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will post the transcript, as soon as I have permission from everybody,</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: so we can have fun with it then</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and a summary</span><br />[14:20] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: great</span><br />[14:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: great</span><br />[14:21] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have posted the summary of the roman reg comm</span><br />[14:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[14:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: The next of these meetings will be on Saturday, August 28th, and Noon</span><br />[14:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Thanks everybody!</span>]]></description>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Transcript of Alpine Regional Committee Meeting, July 25th :: Reply by Sonja Strom</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[We met in the Neufreistadt Schloss Meeting Room, as was announced here:  <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=3002">viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=3002</a><!-- l --><br /><br />[12:17] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: This meeting it for us to talk about what kind of cultural events we would like to have in the Alpine area of the CDS.</span><br />[12:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: We have had a meeting last winter, which was the last one for this group.</span><br />[12:18] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Lilith and I are the Co-chairs of this committee,</span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but as we all know it is open <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: anyone can participate and contribute,</span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: or complain if they want, lol</span><br />[12:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: What we talked about and came up in the last meeting is summarised here: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2623#p14013">viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2623#p14013</a><!-- l --></span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think we can review those ideas, and see what we would maybe like to do with them,</span><br />[12:20] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: if anything.</span><br />[12:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: And I now have a couple of other ideas too.</span><br />[12:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: One thing we can consider is,</span><br />[12:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: in the CDS budget that was announced to the RA and in the Forum,</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: - by the Chancellor - <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: all projects seem very nice</span><br />[12:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: there is an amount that we can spend of L$12500 each month on cultural activities for these sims,</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that means, Neufreistadt, Alpine Meadow, and Monastery.</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I think Oktoberfest was on a separate allocation tho, right?</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes,</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: how much dp we have for Oktoberfest?</span><br />[12:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: for CDS-wide events they can come from the overall CDS budget.</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: In the CDS budget there is L$45000 for the Oktoberfest,</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: which is the same amount budgeted for it in the past two years or so.</span><br />[12:24] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: are you still in contact with ther german Sims Sonja?</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: The 12500 is for us to spend however we think would be good for these three sims.</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that collaberation with Wunderbar was wonderful</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor's Google Translator: Wonderful was wonderful with that Collaberation</span></span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: did we use the whole 12500 in the last year?</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes, I am a little in contact with the German-speaking sims, mostly the Swiss ones</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that is a monthly amount</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but they seem to be kind of emptying out :-\</span><br />[12:25] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I see</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: monthly... ok <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh really sonja</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: shame</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think SL is becoming less popular in some areas</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: do we have any difficulties on spending it?</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, I find it a little bit sad, because I really like SL</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I liked the Tiroler eck band</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: me too</span><br />[12:26] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Rose has said that she will be travelling for Oktoberfest and that she cannot work on the organization. It means we need a working group for that (either this committee or a special group)</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I sent an IM and asked if they would like to come back here and play,</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and I have not gotten any response.</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I can try again.</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: oh I see</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: would be great</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think they are not so active in SL anymore.</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I´ve not many contacts to other germans myself lol</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that is a shame</span><br />[12:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: loved them</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, if you all agree, we can try to have the Tiroler Eck Showband come back</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we should keep trying.</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: maybe they have time for us then</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: yes, that's nice</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I´d like to see them here</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes, Tiroler Eck was wonderful</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: do you have the name of an alt in this band?</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: had a great time that day.</span><br />[12:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Arria, an alt?</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: an avatar, to contact them</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I have sent an IM to my best contact with them already...</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: zaphod Enoch</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and not heard back from him</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: do we speak about Oktoberfest now?</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: maybe he is just offline for the summer</span><br />[12:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: there are others I can try to contact too</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: maybe</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: possible ...</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, we can talk about Oktoberfest</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: does anyone have last year's schedule?</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we can make a list of ideas</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I might be traveling in September also</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will look and see if I have it in my files.</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: but I´d lik eto help as much as I can</span><br />[12:30] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Lilith and I, we have talked today about a flea market</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes, I have it</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: dates first, you're right</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will give it to all of you.</span><br />[12:31] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor Karlsvalt gave you Last Weekend of Oktoberfest!.</span></span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: ah, Tor found it before me - thanks Tor!</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: but that was only the last weekend</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: ok</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: the real one is from 9/18 till 10/4</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I have an overall one</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in Munich?</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will share it with you.</span><br />[12:32] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes I just looked for it</span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory accepted your inventory offer.</span></span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-style: italic">Anna Toussaint accepted your inventory offer.</span></span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: but of course ours don´t have to be at the same time</span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor Karlsvalt accepted your inventory offer.</span></span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have found the website too</span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Arria Perreault accepted your inventory offer.</span></span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Timo Gufler accepted your inventory offer.</span></span><br />[12:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: thanks, Sonja</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: great</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: One thing that would be good, is if we have a great poster for it <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: 18 sept is a saturday</span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Sonja Strom looks in the direction of Lilith</span></span><br />[12:34] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I tried to make one alreday</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: oh?</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: wow!</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: can try to find it and see if you like it <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: great</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that's on the ball</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: thanks!!</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: did it for the last one but could not finish it in time hehe</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: if we keep these dates, we should publish them soon</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: now you have a head start! lol</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: ok, I can publish them</span><br />[12:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right and start working on it <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: One issue of interest about Oktoberfest in the CDS is,</span><br />[12:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: it is the founding date of the community.</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Neualtenburg was originally created for the Oktoberfest of 2004.</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: oh I see</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: 6 years</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes Timo <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok, it that the theme of the ball?</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor's Google Translator: ok, dit wat die tema van die bal?</span></span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: need fireworks</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-style: italic">Tor's Google Translator: nodig vuurwerke</span></span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: So in a way it is the anniversary of the CDS.</span><br />[12:37] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: right</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: That's a good idea Tor,</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: we could have an Anniversary Ball.</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: yes</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: how many bands and DJ do we need to find for the whole Oktoberfest ?</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Fireworks sounds great too. I can organise those.</span><br />[12:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Arria, I think that is up to us to decide and work on.</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: As far as I am concerned, we could have them all day long for 10 days <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i think Callie or Rose has some great fireworks.</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: that would be great</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[12:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Maybe we could even find someone who has musician friends and would like to help with inspiring them to come and play here.</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I can remember having an event nearly every day last time</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Rug &amp; Rezer whispers: Kill Objects</span></span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: DarkSlateGray"><span style="font-style: italic">Rug &amp; Rezer: Rezer script ver 4.0 start</span></span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Do any of you know musicians who would be good for it?</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I can help to find musicians</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes, there were many events.</span><br />[12:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Or anybody else who would be good?</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Well does't all have to be german.</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: no, I don't think so</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes please</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: no, but at least one band</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: if there is a German I can be accepting of that...</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well tyroller eck for sure if we can</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and not judge too harshly, lol</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: lol</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I only bare german folk music to sell my dresses <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Sonja Strom is turning off the fog</span></span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hahaa</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha, i like german folk music, with beer.</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: oh, that's better</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: well, I like US country music</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I was having trouble seeing you guys!</span><br />[12:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I do too!</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: turning off the fog is the first thing I do in NFS</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hahaa</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we could have a folk theme in general</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: us county german fold</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: that might be fun</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Naf,</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Sounds good</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Naf for sure if she has time</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: There are German-language country performers,</span><br />[12:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but I don't know of any in SL</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: *Truckstop* is a pretty good band</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I might know a DJ who has german music</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I bet black horse sim would connect us up with someone</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: great Lilith, would you talk with them?</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: there are some cool german singing bavarian bands</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Tor, would you?</span><br />[12:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I´ll try <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: thanks!</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hi Cleo</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hi Cleopatra!</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: tyvm</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: hi Cleo</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: welcome</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Anna Toussaint</span>: Hi, Cleo</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: ty</span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Hi Cleo <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[12:45] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hi cleo</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: i have alittle plot in nfs ill just listen and catch up</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: brb</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: please do, and participate if you like</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: k thank you</span><br />[12:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: ok Timo</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: did we have a hay ride last year?</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: not that I would know</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: but the horse parade</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: In the past there has been a big parade (or at least an attempt to have a big parade) for the Oktoberfest in the CDS</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: hay ride?</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I loved the horse parade!</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: I remember, that we had bit technical problems then...</span><br />[12:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but I think the wagons we had for that have always caused problems</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, I think it's a very laggy activity</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe that was a lot of fun also</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, last year it was awful!</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: sure lol</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: the people on horses and doing their own thing have always gone ahead</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: maybe we could do a trial run</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and left the wagons to struggle with their sim crossings</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that would be good, a horse parade.</span><br />[12:48] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I always suggested to have prizes for the survivors</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Tor, would you like to organise the parade?</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hahaa</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: sure i can try</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: funny</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we can all dress like hessians or somethign</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that would be great! thanks</span><br />[12:49] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I already wish I could cancel my travels in Sept lol</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: lol!</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: so far we have Lilith organising the poster,</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: me organising the fireworks,</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: ok I´ll do that</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and I will help with the musicians</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: who is doing the market?</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Tor will organise the parade</span><br />[12:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I just need the time when it will nbe</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I understand that, Lilith</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: there are booths</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Indigo"><span style="font-weight: bold">Anna Toussaint</span>: Folks, I have to go ... I'll help in however way I can, just let me know</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jsut throwing this out, not oktoberfest related</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Moon made them imo</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: would any of you like to organise the market? I can help with it.</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: bye, bye Anna</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: bye Anna!</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we should have a Criskindalmarkt</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: me?</span><br />[12:51] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I can</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, Tor, we can plan on that -</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I would love to do it but can´t promise to be here at this time <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /></span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but that will be before Christmas.</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: just popped in my head to wanted it out there</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: sure!</span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[12:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: we can plan for it being at that time.</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Are we done talking about Oktoberfest for now?</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh of course</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: to be sure, you asked me to help to organize the market?</span><br />[12:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I can also volunteer to organise the Anniversary Ball.</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I have asked if anybody would like to organise it.</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Lets see if we can make the dance floor a slight bit bigger on the platz.</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: If not, then... I will help with that.</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: the market?</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I am ready to organize the market</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: who has those stalls?</span><br />[12:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes, Cleo, we will have a market for the Oktoberfest celebrations.</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Rose or Moon</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: ooky yes i remember</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: the ones Rose have have no transfer</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think Moon made them.</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: so you might to have Moon</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: do we need to find vendors?</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I will ask Moon</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: i miht can help do that</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that would be great cleo</span><br />[12:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Cleo, we do need to find vendors who will put their things there.</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: It seems to me that would be the biggest part of the work of that.</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Bringing in people's things.</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: please reserve a stall for me</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: how about rides?</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[12:56] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: maybe in that neualtenberg area.</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Thank you for volunteering to organise the market Arria!</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yw</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will be happy to help with it.</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we have a baloon ride</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: thank you</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we could have a merrygoround</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, maybe in the Altenburg area we can do something.</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and Cleo will help for the vendors</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Last year we did have a merrygoround,</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: if we can find one in sl</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: yes i will help arria</span><br />[12:57] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: what is a merrygoround?</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: where did we put it?</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but it had to be taken out because it caused a lot of lag for the other activities</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: maybe we could find a place for it on another sim</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: like in LA for example</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: maybe or outside the walls.</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: there seems to be plenty of place in LA</span><br />[12:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: maybe Tor,</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: but the problem with lag is, it is true for the sim as a whole</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: ah, it's a carousel...</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: when there is a live musician and 35 avies, with a market...</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well if we do accomplish a new sim, that would solve teh lag problem maybe</span><br />[12:59] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: having it at a different sim seems to be a good idea</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I don´t think we will have a new Sim before Sept</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: then having something using a lot of scripts causes problems...</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and when we had it there before hardly anybody used it.</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: It was fun, but not very popular.</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes Timo, and there are two different kinds of them too</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we have to launch a project of sim, I agree</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: btw we could have seveal horse parades and lead ppl though NFS AM and if the group isn't to lagre MON</span><br />[13:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: one goes around in a circle horizontally, and one vertically.</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: animated things can cause a lot of lag</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: sounds like a good idea Tor</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Sure Tor, that sounds very good!</span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I don't know what MON means though <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:01] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: monastery</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Sorry, would you explain that more Tor?</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: lol I don´t think you will get a group larger than 25 people</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well a i could tour the sims on horse</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: start on the plaz and go down to am an monaster.</span><br />[13:02] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: or go the other way.</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: I hope Monastery won't cause too bad lag problems</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: end on the platz</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: or the other way</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i guess it would depend on the size of the group.</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: a smaller group can start at the Monastery and join the rest in AM</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: naturally, yes</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: No Sim can be more laggy than CN lol</span><br />[13:03] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: right lol</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: be nice to show off that gorge in monastery</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">CLEOPATRA Xigalia accepted your inventory offer.</span></span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: then through am and up to the platz</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, we will finally improve the bridge</span><br />[13:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: soon</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: wonderful idea, Arria <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: yes</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we will make a real one</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: who will make it?</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the devil bridge</span><br />[13:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Ulysse</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he made all the roads</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the current bridge was provisory</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: devil bridge sounds cool</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hahaa</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yessss</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: no come on</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: no devils</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it's a swiss legend</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: lol</span><br />[13:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: in germany a lot of places have names like that</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the oldest bridge in the Gotthard pass</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: need a troll under the bridge</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%E2%80%99s_Bridge">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%E2%80%99s_Bridge</a><!-- m --></span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: a norwegian legend</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: we have enough trouble around here</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, I think there is the same legend in several places</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: lol</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: too bad, since my home is located behind the bridge</span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: paying a troll toll won't be nice <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:07] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: keep your kids close, Timo</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I used to play in a &quot;devils forest&quot; when I was a kid <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: I try <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: there is already a ghost in the tower. now a troll on hte bridge</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Timo Gufler gulps</span></span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: neat</span><br />[13:08] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I don't know what kind of secret will have the saint patrick church of Mizou <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: snakes</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: a dragon?</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: scarrying sim ....</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: makes me want to live there hehe</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, for the entrance of the sim. good idea <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: don't go through the sim by night <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: hehe</span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:09] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: haha</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: if you ever need some scary deco, just ask me Arria <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, maybe for halloween</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yea</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: or for the troll <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: well right halloweeen too</span><br />[13:10] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I decorate</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I might have a troll in my inventory</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: oh yes...</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I love halloween</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: have to get one too,</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the Monastery for halloween</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: do we want to do something for halloween?</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that would be great Arria!</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that would be good too.</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: at least decoration</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: we should try to get people to decorate their places</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right Arria, that for sure</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: a contest?</span><br />[13:11] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: One year we had a home decoration contest</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I don't know how popular it was</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I think we had that twice already</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: maybe we could have a costume contest</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: that would be fun also</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I think it was popular</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: although... probably Lilith would win <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Sonja Strom grins</span></span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: contests with prizes are popular</span><br />[13:12] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: last year there were giftcards for the deco contest winners</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: we could do that</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh are we going to have prizes at oktoberfest?</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: would anyone like to help organise Halloween in the CDS?</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Best folk Costume,</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Tor, that's a great ida!</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: best legs in lederhosen</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: idea</span><br />[13:13] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: lol</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe good idea</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I love Halloween. I think the easiest to celebrate would be a decoration contest with prizes and a party in the Schloss</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes</span><br />[13:14] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that sounds great</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I´d like to volunteer decorating the schloss again <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Arria, would you be willing to be an organiser of it?</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: and other public places if needed</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: great <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will help, but for some reason I don't feel inspired to take the lead on that one.</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I can organize</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Lilith did you do the christmas tree in the platz?</span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: great! thanks <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:15] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: might be <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I am glad that Lilith is voluteer to decorate the Schloss</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I have some huge Xmas trees in my inventory</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that was a great tree</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it was scarying last year</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hope Samantha does not mind hehe</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: last year she had complains about the covenant ,-)</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: but I told her it was only temporary</span><br />[13:16] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: really?</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: was a fun story <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: maybe we can warn her in advance this year</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: I think she knows now <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: who is samantha?</span><br />[13:17] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Samatha Fuller</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: She contributed in many buildings in CDS</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: including the Monastery</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh, did she have nother name?</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: sylvia?</span><br />[13:18] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: no Samantha is Samantha <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, as far as I know</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: probably never met her then</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: she is a good builder</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hey Rosie Gray is a great builder</span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and Moon Adamant too <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[13:19] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: hehe</span><br />[13:20] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: If you ask her I bet she would help, but might have to get to her befor the end of summer</span><br />[13:20] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Samantha has contributed a lot in CDS</span><br />[13:20] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: she just came online <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:20] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: look this door. you have the same pattern in the Monastery</span><br />[13:20] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Rosie I mean</span><br />[13:20] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Rosie said she was volunteer to build in CDS. I hope we find an opportunity for her</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: if we need any stages built or something rosie might help.</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: me too</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, great!</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: a new sim for example</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: her shop is cute <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes Arria, I now she is eage to help</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: hi Rosie!</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Hi Rosie</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Hi Rosie <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Hi Rosie</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Timo Gufler</span>: Hi Rosie</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: hi everyone!</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: we were just talking about you!</span><br />[13:21] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: sorry to be so late</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: (only good things!)</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: no problem</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: check out her new house</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: welcome, happy you came</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray smiles broadly</span></span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, mainly about the fact you're voluteer to build</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: hehe</span><br />[13:22] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh haha</span><br />[13:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: yes, and we have projects for you <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:23] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yess</span><br />[13:23] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh?</span><br />[13:23] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: okay, well cool</span><br />[13:23] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Maybe a dance floor for Oktoberfest?</span><br />[13:24] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: yes we always did that</span><br />[13:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: not sure who had the one last year, but I remember it was a bit cramped.</span><br />[13:24] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: remember when draxtor did a piece on it</span><br />[13:24] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: what sort of thing do you mean? like a dance pavilion?</span><br />[13:24] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes, rosie</span><br />[13:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Rosie, I can give you a picture of how it was before</span><br />[13:25] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: sure</span><br />[13:25] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: sounds like fun</span><br />[13:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Oh one more thing to throw out</span><br />[13:25] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: think there would be any interest in a baloon rally</span><br />[13:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: do we know if anyone has the polka dances?</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: alexicon</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: might be cool to see.</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Tor, that could be fun</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: right</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: he logs in from time to time i talk to him</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: a balloon rally?</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: sounds fun</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: oh maybe rose has some too</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: in his shop, I guess</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hot air balloons</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">CLEOPATRA Xigalia</span>: sorry ill hush</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: thanks Cleo, I will send him an IM</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: oh nice idea!</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Richie might organize it</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: Rose has some for sure</span><br />[13:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I will ask Rose about the dances too.</span><br />[13:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Tor, when do you think would be a good time for a balloon event?</span><br />[13:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: oh donno</span><br />[13:27] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: but maybe the end of the first week</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: would you like to work on that, and see how it goes?</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: sounds good</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the ball woudl climax the second week</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rosie Gray</span>: when is the Oktoberfest?</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i see if i can contact richie</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: float the idea</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Thanks Tor</span><br />[13:28] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: the original one in RL munich is from 9/18 till 10/04</span><br />[13:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think we should follow those dates</span><br />[13:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: yes think so also</span><br />[13:29] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Rosie Gray nods: yes I agree</span></span><br />[13:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Sonja Strom whispers: part of &quot;oktoberfest in SL</span></span><br />[13:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[13:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: we should advertise it in what is left from the german sims <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: that would be good</span><br />[13:30] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: you´ve better contacts to them than I have <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[13:30] <span style="color: Sienna"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span>]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[Robert, I can't believe you said that!  And that came from someone who is not even a resident of the CDS... <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /> <br /><br />Patroklus, congratulations on your new home and your new job!  I understand the need to sometimes take care of things in RL, and wish you all the best!  Thank you for all of your service in this community.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:04:44 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Pat,<br /><br />You are the spit-image British reincarnation of Pim Fortuyn! Men like you are dangerous in every walk of life -real or virtual. Congratulations on being promoted to your level of incompetence!<br /><br />I wish you everything you deserve!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Robert Walpole)</author>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:48:56 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Re: Commerce Commission Meeting :: Reply by Lilith Ivory</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[the next meeting will be held on wed 7/28 at 6pm slt in Locus Amoenus.<br />Hope to see you there <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:36:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Alpine Regional Committee Meeting, July 25th, 2010 :: Author Sonja Strom</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="font-weight: bold">Meeting Summary</span><br /><br />Present in the meeting:<br />Anna Toussaint, Arria Perreault, CLEOPATRA Xigalia, Lilith Ivory, Rosie Gray, Sonja Strom, Timo Gufler, Tor Karlsvalt.<br /><br />We began the meeting by looking at two inputs from the past.<br />One of these was a Forum thread from the last meeting of this committee, to be found at:  <br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2623#p14013">viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2623#p14013</a><!-- l --><br />Another was the schedule for last year's Oktoberfest.  If you don't have that schedule and would like to get it, send me an IM and I will give it to you.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Ideas we talked about were:</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Ongoing</span><br />- Live musicians and DJs - Sonja will organise<br />- Getting The Old Bowl Theater more active. To do this, the AMUA group that owns The Old Bowl would need to allow events to be hosted there.  After the meeting Pip told us we could use the Old Bowl for community events.<br />- Balloon Event - Tor will organise (maybe this will be coordinated with the Oktoberfest celebrations)<br />- Monastery Events, including live musicians, treasure hunts - Arria will organise<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Oktoberfest</span> (Sept. 18 to Oct. 4)<br />- Market<br />- Parade<br />- Live Music<br />- Contest for Best Traditional Folk Costume<br />- Anniversary Ball<br />- Fireworks<br /><br />Oktoberfest Organisers:<br />Lilith = Poster<br />Tor = Parade<br />Sonja = Musicians, Fireworks, Anniversary Ball (at the end), overall contact with others<br />Arria = Market (Cleopatra will help)<br />Rosie = Building<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Later in the Year:</span><br />- Halloween - Arria (and, I assume, Lilith) will organise<br />- Skiing - Ulysse and Arria will organise<br />- Christkindlmarkt - no organiser yet<br />- Christmas, including a Christmas Tree on Platz, live concerts in the Neufreistadt Kirche - Lilith and Rosie will help<br /><br />If you would like to participate in organising any of these activities, please let Lilith Ivory or I know!  She and I are the Co-Chairs of the Committee.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:18:38 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Pat,<br /><br />I understand your reasons to resign. I would like to thank you sincerely for the time you have given to the community by being an active RA member for many years. <br />I wish you good luck for your new job. <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:44:33 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Resignation from the RA :: Reply by Kaseido_Quandry</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Congratulations on these exciting new turns in your life, and all the best of luck with them!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:04:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Adios :: Reply by Carolyn Saarinen</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Pat, Pip, who cares? You've got what you wanted, and worked for. The merger is dead. Or, rather, from what I could see, still-born. You have a free hand to undo what good was done in the teeth of your obstructionism. CDS can go back to being the irrelevant clique that you and Gwyn so desire. I certainly wont be bothering with you.My only regret is that well-intentioned hard-working people from al-Andalus wasted so much time on you. You were, most conspicuously, never worth the effort.<br /><br />It's pitiful that you have so little in your lives that you feel the need to re-hash rows that no longer have any purpose. (But of course, posting on these forums is the Old Guard substitute for doing something useful in-world isn't it?) And rows about an obvious phoney like Arias: Shipping magnate, world traveller, philanthropist. brain surgeon. Wounded in Vietnam (while ending the war) and able to post from his bed while awaiting major surgery. Incredible, literally! Maybe I've been on the Net too long, but he's as fishy as a chowder.  Was he merely an alt or a source of alts? Either way, Kas summed him up as a familiar phenomenon.<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>&quot;As internet kerfuffles go, it was pretty standard stuff: the arrogant noob shows up, starts telling everyone else how things should be done, draws some supporters and some enemies, gets their feelings hurt, airs private dirty linen in public, goes on a rampage against one of the community leaders, delivers the drama queen “IM QUITTIN NOW!!1!” post, stays away for a day or two, then comes back to deliver reams of snark, generally ignored.&quot;</div></blockquote><br /><br />I hope he comes back to you (assuming he ever did, or could go away) you're clearly soulmates. Oh, and Jamie? The only source of interest here now is to see how long it takes the Old Guard to find a new enemy to hound out. Or, maybe this time they've finally reached the end, and rendered CDS so conspicuously toxic that - the odd clueless newb aside - no one will darken it's doors again.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:14:24 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Adios :: Reply by Pip Torok</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Rose Springvale wrote:</cite>Arias prime motivation was to hurt me personally, and he saw sabotaging the merger with Al Andalus as a way to do this. With the end of the merger, you all may be able to persuade him to return, if that is what you really want for this community.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Rose, I'm intrigued.<br /><br />How is it you seem to have at times a 20/20 insight into Arias' (or anyone's) motivation, let alone his/their &quot;prime&quot; motivation?<br /><br />How is it that, in addition, you somehow <span style="text-decoration: underline">know</span>, for a fact, that Arias &quot;sabotaged the merger&quot;?<br /><br />Or is this bald assertion another way of saying that, although you don't know these things for a fact, you feel <span style="text-decoration: underline">so</span> sure that you are willing to go into print about this, on a whim?<br /><br />If that is the case, how about phraseology such as &quot;I feel sure that Arias' prime motivation ...&quot; etc. ?<br /><br />It would be clearer. And more helpful.<br /><br /> .. If people who do not understand each other<br /> at least understand that they do not understand<br /> each other, then they understand each other better<br /> than when, not understanding each other, they do<br /> not even understand that they do not understand<br /> each other.<br /><br />-- Gustav Ischheiser (Appearance and Realities)<br /><br />Pip Torok]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:08:11 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Patroklus Murakami wrote:</cite>I understand that the Scientific Council will be meeting tomorrow to set dates for a by-election. Following the end of the merger with Al Andalus, one RA member does not have a CDS plot and so we will need a by-election to replace him.<br /><br />I am finding it difficult to devote enough time to RA activities so would like to resign from the RA. My resignation will be effective from the day the polls open for the by-election (which can now be for two seats instead of one).<br /><br />My reasons are that my RL partner and I recently bought a home and getting it set up right takes up a lot of my free time now. I will also be starting a new job (on promotion!) in mid-August and I expect that will mean even less time available for RA meetings and so on. I hope that resigning at this point causes less disruption than it would at another point in the term.<br /><br />Best of luck to the remaining RA members and the new members who will shortly be elected.</div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Hi Pat,<br /><br />I'm really sorry to hear that you're going. I wish you all the best in the onerous job that's facing you. Both a change of job and a change of location are, as you know, stress-inducing ... so I hope you'll take it easy.<br /><br />And if you can find time to visit us, and, not least, to promote your blog, we'll be glad to see you.<br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />Pip Torok]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:29:03 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Events in CDS :: Summary of the meeting of the Roman regional committee :: Reply by Arria Perreault</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Party on the beach:<br />1st August, 1PM to 3 PM<br />Callypigian is DJ<br /><br /><br />Primtionnary:<br />more advertising<br />put on SL events<br />contact a group which is called Primtionnary<br />more regular schedules<br />prize (gifts certificates by local merchants)<br /><br />Pathways: <br /><br />A solution will be search with Ulysse Alexandre, as he has made the design of the sim. The Chancellor will be informed. Original textures are needed.<br /><br />Open house Initiative : - <br /><br />Concerts in the CN Theater<br />Tribute to Edith Piaf as possible theme<br />Each artist has to sing at least one song of Edith Piaf<br />Schedule: from September to December, monthly (not during Oktoberfest)<br /><br />Saturnalia: <br />this topic will be discussed in the next meeting <br />Ideas: party (Carnival), decoration contest<br /><br />@Sonja: thank you for the precision<br /><br />@ CDS community: does anyone has a tiki bar, parasols or any objects familiar on a beach ? We would like to decorate the place where the party is held.]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I understand that the Scientific Council will be meeting tomorrow to set dates for a by-election. Following the end of the merger with Al Andalus, one RA member does not have a CDS plot and so we will need a by-election to replace him.<br /><br />I am finding it difficult to devote enough time to RA activities so would like to resign from the RA. My resignation will be effective from the day the polls open for the by-election (which can now be for two seats instead of one).<br /><br />My reasons are that my RL partner and I recently bought a home and getting it set up right takes up a lot of my free time now. I will also be starting a new job (on promotion!) in mid-August and I expect that will mean even less time available for RA meetings and so on. I hope that resigning at this point causes less disruption than it would at another point in the term.<br /><br />Best of luck to the remaining RA members and the new members who will shortly be elected.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:40:21 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Rose Springvale</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[::slips her scimitar into the folds of her skirt and examines the map, noting particular vulnerabilities of Southend, Cape Wrath and that university full of newbies:: Tea did you say Desmond?   one lump or two?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Rose Springvale)</author>
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            <description><![CDATA[I love you Dessie <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><br /><br />Thanks for that]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Patroklus Murakami)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:03:47 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: Love me, love my friends :: Reply by Desmond Shang</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Shocking, *quite* shocking... we cannot let this revisionist history stand!  Al Andalus was *not* bent upon crushing the CDS democracy.  This is poppycock.  <br /><br />The truth of the matter is this:  *I* set out to crush the CDS democracy.  Get it right, people!  Those snappy red uniforms and gunboats were expensive!<br /><br />Turn your steam powered clocks back to the spring of ought six, when a rather overexuberant CDS offered to aid a newly ascendant, highly aristocratic micronation of Caledon with some ah... 'financial aid' or something via a 'bank' I do believe.  Along with an offhand comment, something to the effect of helping our credibility or stature or some other silliness... at that point, the gauntlet had met our fine, upturned cheek!  We simply *had* to make an effort to destroy you all, mmm?  Otherwise it would have been about like a crude farmer calling us &quot;boy&quot; and getting away with it.  And if we had not declared war, simply ignoring the whole matter would have been *terribly* disrespectful of us.  I simply could not treat the CDS so poorly!<br /><br />As such, I offered to buy the entire CDS outright.  And would have!  Save for the fact that the then~leader, Ms Zugzwang, didn't seem to actually *possess* the CDS (trifling detail, really).  In fact, she might have been in exile at the time; I can't quite recall.  But the letter and spirit were true in intent!  Had I succeeded, it would have been the *immediate* end of your democracy.  Oh, don't look so sad!  There would have been cake!<br /><br />Since then, well, I'm not sure what we'd actually *do* with a crushed CDS even if we'd got it, so... I've not paid it much mind.  The fear, really, is that the CDS could have been reduced to a pile of low rubble and it *still* wouldn't have stopped the arguing; and as such been a bit of an embarrassment to our oh~so~civil sensibilities.  And even if we'd rounded up the lot of you and tossed you all in the clink, you'd probably all form a democracy and argue over the formulation of an escape plan ~ yes, really, it *is* that bad.<br /><br />We did go to war with Port Neualtenburg in ought seven, however!  (Once you build up an army, always give them something to do OUTSIDE of the borders I always say ~ they get tetchy at home) ... I'd be a lot more warlike to this day, but worthy enemies keep collapsing internally before I can do much to them.  It's *so* annoying.<br /><br />ANYWAY.  I have an historic Proposal for the lot of you.<br /><br />1) One, or both rebel provinces (which one is which?) may choose to border on Caledon if you like, and you are free to set up trenches, tank traps, towers, &amp;c &amp;c as needed, with perhaps a scruffy checkpoint and a secret tunnel or two.  I would reciprocate as best I could.<br /><br />2) I would be happy to sell arms to the both of you.  And if you would be so good as to quietly announce your secret attacks upon each other, we could all turn out to watch the fireworks.<br /><br />3) All this is a bit contingent upon what the micronations of Winterfell, Numantia and Austral think about this if either of you actually said yes, but fear not ~ we are *anything* but democracies, and could sort the whole matter out quickly over tea.<br /><br />What say?<br /><br />Your oh so favourite aristocratic Menace,<br /><br />Desmond Shang, Guvnah<br />Independent State of Caledon]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Desmond Shang)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:45:12 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: CDS chronicles continued :: Reply by Patroklus Murakami</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I understand what Delia is saying <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> I agree, up to a point. We work better when we focus on issues and try to tackle those rather than attacking people. Where I differ is that I think it is legitimate to make ad hominem criticisms in some circumstances (the character of Ulrika, Ashcroft, ThePrincess Parisi and Michel Manen were relevant to criticism of their plans for the CDS for example).<br /><br />Jamie, what I'm trying to get you to understand, is that *making war* on a section of our community was not a good idea. Sadly, this has been your project for a number of years now. You used the bully-pulpit of the Chancelry to condemn the CSDF and DPU factions. You used the merger as a battering ram, getting the new citizens riled about the evil factions and took factions out of the electoral process. But... despite all your many mean-spirited and personal attacks on us, we did not leave and continued to get elected to the Representative Assembly (which is why you now want to restrict election to the RA to those who pass your 'inworld attendance' test and are hinting at abolishing it altogether.)<br /><br />Your split between debate and community is yet another false dichotomy. We can have both <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> Political debate is a means to an end, not an end in itself. We need free and unrestricted speech in order to debate the issues and reach the right conclusions. We have a community. I think the distinction is between a closed society where certain topics are off limits, where the community maintains cohesion through repression, where, for example, people are 'discouraged' from free discussion on blogs and forums and told to 'keep it inworld'; and an open society where there are multiple sources of information, discussion and debate and freedom to say what you believe by the lights of your own conscience *even if that offends some people*. I think you favour a closed society, I think many other people in the CDS do. I favour the open society which the CDS was based on.<br /><br />I'm at a loss to see how I can be 'gracious' except perhaps by keeping silent? If that's what you want, stop inviting me to comment!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Patroklus Murakami)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:13:39 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Eh? :: Reply by Jamie Palisades</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Delia, sorry, but I couldn't quite understand that sentence fragment.<br /><br />Pat, if you feel that criticism of others is deleterious to community ... and that it's a bad thing, not a normal healthy political feature ... then I enthusiastically encourage you to lead by example.  <br /><br />Really, you think there have <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> been warring tribes in CDS?  <br /><br />You think I am wrong about the split between political debate, versus community, as overriding goals? <br /><br />You got exactly what you wanted.  AA has un-merged.  Why not consider it a victory, and try being gracious?]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Jamie Palisades)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:32:07 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: CDS chronicles continued :: Reply by Delia Lake</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[And attack issues important to the community, doing so in creative, collaborative ways.  And (again) refrain from attacking people.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Delia Lake)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:19:01 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: Re: CDS chronicles continued :: Reply by Patroklus Murakami</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think to be liveable, tolerant of diversity and a community we need to stop characterising one section of our community as an elite, accusing them of 'preferring the bullring' and referring to them pejoratively as a &quot;tribe&quot;.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Patroklus Murakami)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:32:50 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Discussion :: CDS chronicles:  World of Statecraft :: Reply by Jamie Palisades</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Reading Pat and Delia, above, juxtaposed, focused me on their distinct interests.<br /><ul><li> It's possible to want a town that above all is focused on minority rights, debate and political views. </li><li> It's possible to want a town that above all is livable, tolerant of diversity and a community.</li></ul>Doing both is not a bad goal, but at some points, the goals oppose each other.<br />(For example, an electoral system uses rules;  those rules can be designed to reward, or discourage, aggressive tactics.  A communitarian spirit can welcome, or quash, differing viewpoints.)<br /> <br />Many of the debates of the past year, stripped of the personal issues, simply adopt one point or another on that continuum.<br /><br />(My own view -- and here is where it's pure opinion -- is that the majority of CDS citizens prefer a tolerant, liveable, civil tone -- but a small, louder and more vigorous political elite prefer the bullring -- and have the benefit of deep entrenchment in the current rules and legacy power structure.  Of course, some of those who I describe as that elite, might see it differently.) <br /><br />However, regardless of that, I have always agreed completely with Gwyneth and her tribe about one thing:  CDS is a valuable experiment in the rarely attempted field of virtual self-governance.  If that continuum concept is right, then experimentation over time with our rules <span style="font-style: italic">should yield adjustments</span>.  For example:<br /><ul><li>Did ending the faction system of election change the outcomes much?</li><li>Will changing the conditions of citizenship change the electorate much?</li><li>Does the size of the RA matter?  Or the proportion of RA members to citizens? </li><li>Does having three branches mostly help, or mostly serve as an overcomplication?</li></ul>On some of those issues, it's too early to tell.  Still, watching them with interest.  Regards JP]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Jamie Palisades)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:55:24 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Representative Assembly Announcements :: Next Meeting of RA: Thursday, July 29 11 am slt :: ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The agenda will be limited to the discussion of the Finance Commission report as presented on July 24. RA members are requested to review the transcript and legislation prior to Thursday's meeting. Thanks!]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Rose Springvale)</author>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:35:06 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[[11:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Arria wanted to talk about it</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Hm. Why is that a RA concern? With due respect to Arias, are we really going to review why all citizens come and go from the CDS, here at the RA?</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: ???? Tor?</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i promised to let her air her concern, so that's why it is here</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I don't think Arias wanted to &quot;control&quot; LA</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Agreed, this is a community, not a legislative, issue</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he did not pushed me out the sims</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And with due respect to Arria as well for bringing up the issue...</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Arria, are you satisfied that your concern as a legislator has been met?</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i don't think we should discuss ppl who are not here and their motives. i think this issue shd be discussed at another time and place</span><br />[11:01] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: my concern is that we have to be open with people with ideas</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and you think we are not</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I don't think we need a law for that</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, thank you</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Pat and Kas. This is really not the place not the time</span></span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets move to announcements</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: yes, please.</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-style: italic">Carolyn Saarinen chortles</span></span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Arria has announced a beach party on August !?</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: no but keeping that in mind is a good thing Arria</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: 1?</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: sorry, missed the date</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: wooot</span><br />[11:02] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: The Roman regional committee have decided to make a party on the beach on the 1st August</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and is the Inaugural ball the day before, with the same dj?</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I will check the right time and publish it</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: busy weekend I see <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: might want to coordinate with the chancellor</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Sonja, is that correct, the ball is on the 31st?</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we have discussed that</span><br />[11:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and Calli have informed SOnja</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: why not to have fun an entire weekn edn <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Yes, the Inaugural Ball is scheduled for the 31st,</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles, we are the party project after all.</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we love parties</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: and then a Beach Party is scheduled for the 1st.</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: Why not?</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: any other announcements?</span><br />[11:04] <span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sonja Strom</span>: I think both sound fun <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, then lets have a motion to adjourn please</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: so moved</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: second</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you,</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: seconsd</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: all in favor?</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: aye</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">muhammedyussif Wikinger</span>: aye</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: aye</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: aye</span><br />[11:05] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: and, congratulations to us on getting through an entire meeting without so much as snarking, let alone fighting!</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: hear, hear kas</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you all for your service. Please try to get your meetings up with as much notice as possible, and expect to continue the Finance commission report either on thursday or saturday this week</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hear hear</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I knew something was missing...</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*</span></span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: lol!</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: DarkSlateBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Jeroma Wycliffe</span>: Most edifying</span><br />[11:06] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: taking the record now</span>]]></description>
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            <title>Representative Assembly Announcements :: Re: Transcript of CDS RA Meeting, July 24, 2010 :: ...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[[10:23] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">muhammedyussif Wikinger</span>: aye</span><br />[10:23] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye</span><br />[10:23] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[10:23] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: nay, there is no need for the bill</span><br />[10:23] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[10:23] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: well... technically you're right lol</span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: in practice, it's nice to show that the RA cares <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: lol</span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: (thus my &quot;aye&quot;)</span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: I'm opposed to the content, as i believe repricing of the whole sim should be considered before taking the plan apart, so i vote nay</span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: aye</span><br />[10:24] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: motion carries, we will see if the SC overrules it</span><br />[10:25] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Rose, I have a question</span><br />[10:25] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes?</span><br />[10:25] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: the re-pricing COULD be considered as a &quot;one-time special&quot; without violating your very valid concern</span><br />[10:25] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: now we are voting legislation, it would go to publish the motions, bills, acts we vote on the portal and to update the legislation</span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we need a RA Archivist</span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you for your concern Arria</span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we'll consider that on a future agenda, now we are in the finance commission report</span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I add I am volunteering to do this task</span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: we can talk later</span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: yay, thx arria <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:26] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Tor, you have another motion for the group i believe</span><br />[10:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i am not accepting that at this time pat</span><br />[10:27] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: um yes, this is more involved.</span><br />[10:27] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: hold on</span><br />[10:27] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: post it, i'll brb</span><br />[10:27] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: whoopsie</span><br />[10:27] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: he thanks me for volunteer. Of course, my offer can be refused ...</span><br />[10:28] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act.<br /><span style="font-style: italic">Given the the Chancellor, Treasurer and the people assembled in commission meetings find the current collection rules ineffective, confusing and a hindrance to the effective management of tier collection, the following amendments are proposed to the Land Sales Reclamation Act.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">ADD: The due date for the future or current month will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">2. The CDS Executive Branch shall provide for notice (which may be by IM or notecard) to each land owner when they have failed to pay tier rental by the established due date.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the<br /> right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.<br />4. CDS has the right to make public the lists of provisional citizens from time to time, as reasonably needed for its administration of government.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">DELETE 5. One calendar month after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall send another notice to the landowner warning of imminent reclamation (loss of the land). Fourteen days after that 1-month notice is sent, the CDS Executive Branch shall re-take ownership of the land, and the owner shall be removed from 'provisional citizen' status. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further intere</span></span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, this is a motion from committee, so technically doesn't need a second, but i'd like one for the record please</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: interest in the parcel.</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds it.</span></span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">muhammedyussif Wikinger</span>: second</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it is very long</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: does not go in chat well</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: would a nc be better?</span><br />[10:29] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: could you summarise the impact pls?</span><br />[10:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: is there more? yes, and lets put in the box</span><br />[10:30] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: what changes as a result of passing this motion?</span><br />[10:30] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: hold on a second while we get the text in front of eveyrone</span><br />[10:31] <span style="color: SandyBrown"><span style="font-style: italic">Object owned by Rose Springvale gave you 'CDS RA Agenda July 24 2010'  ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41</a><!-- m --> ).</span></span><br />[10:31] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i can't add to the box</span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: just give me your notecard <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it is in forum</span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Tor, perhaps you could give it to Rose, she'll put it inside the box <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: ah good, Arria</span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3007">viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3007</a><!-- l --></span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: SeaGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">You decline 'CDS RA Agenda July 24 2010'  ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41</a><!-- m --> ) from Object.</span></span><br />[10:32] <span style="color: SandyBrown"><span style="font-style: italic">Object owned by Rose Springvale gave you 'Motion to amend NL 9-2'  ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/13/166/41</a><!-- m --> ).</span></span><br />[10:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: there now</span><br />[10:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: thanks</span><br />[10:33] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: thank you</span><br />[10:33] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay. do you want to summarize for the assembly Tor?</span><br />[10:33] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: sure</span><br />[10:34] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Currently the Chancelor and Treasurer find the law inadaquat</span><br />[10:34] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it leaves a loophole allowing landowners a way to avoid paying tier</span><br />[10:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: and allows for some to skip paying tier when selling land.</span><br />[10:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: So</span><br />[10:35] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: This law will allow the Treas to reclaim but hold in reserve parcles if teir is overdue 14 days after the boxes close</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this shortens the current time substantially, correct?</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: then re-sell 30 days after the boxes close</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so instead of a 3 month period without payments</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: boxes close on the 24th of evry month</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Aha yes. I see the issue... you could just stop paying tier one month before selling land, then tier would be the next owner's issue... and in the mean time, for a month, nobody would have paid tier.</span><br />[10:36] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the land could become productive again after 6 weeks?</span><br />[10:37] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Rose</span></span><br />[10:37] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: looks like it <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:37] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and you still would not allow prepayments, correct?</span><br />[10:37] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: we do not now have a provision for pre-payments</span><br />[10:37] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: No, not yet <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: yes that is right rose, we do not have a provision for pre-paymens</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok, one question (for clarification): &quot;ADD 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above.&quot;</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: So this means that if you own, say, 3 plots...</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: in fact the current law is really no law at all as it was suspened pending establishment of prepayment system</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: and forget to pay for one... the CDS can reclaim all the others?</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-style: italic">Rose Springvale nods</span></span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry nods at Gwyn</span></span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: that seems excessive</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: which is grossly unjust</span><br />[10:38] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: forget... with the number of notices</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: seems a bit unrealistic</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: the current system is that you pay for all at once... regardless</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: are not all tier payments collected from one box?</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Hm. I see. There is here a detachment of the notion of &quot;paying fees&quot; from &quot;being a citizen&quot;. A citizen is someone who pays ALL fees.</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i believe there is still provision for contact by the chancellor before forfeiture as well, correct?</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: yes Lilith</span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok... so... this doesn't really apply, does it? <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:39] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not sure what you are saying gwyn</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I mean hmm</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: you cannot pay half the fee for a third of your land <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: either you pay it all,</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: or not at all.</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: correct</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right gwyn</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Sudane, if someone forfeits land though, intentionally, it comes off the box, correct?</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: So this item is really not necessary?</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: can people abandon a land if they have someissue to pay?</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: all they need to id notify?</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: that was the intention of the law to begin with</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: yes, Rose, it does</span><br />[10:40] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: *is notify.</span><br />[10:41] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ah wait... so the idea, Tor, is that this law validates how the land management system actually works?</span><br />[10:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: right</span><br />[10:41] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: If so, I don't have any objection!</span><br />[10:41] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: As tor said, this is pretty complicated legislation, and we have more items on todays agenda. Do we want to review this more and take it up next week?</span><br />[10:41] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the law as currently in force, really hampers the treasurer</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: And you're right! We should make sure that the laws reflect what we already do <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> (de jure following de facto <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /> )</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Tor, Sudane, I would like to know if can people abandon a land if they have someissue to pay, with this updated law?</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: I'd be happy to support this - *with* prepayments</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: agreed kas.</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: people can always abandon land</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn would love that too.</span></span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i'd be interested to hear sudane and sonja's views before voting on this</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: do we have a motion to extend or table to the next meeting?</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: move to table to next meeting</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: second?</span><br />[10:42] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: second</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: second</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, I second</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you, all in favor?</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DimGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Sudane Erato</span>: i'm supportive of what Tor is proposing</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">muhammedyussif Wikinger</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we need to talk about this in the forums</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: ty sudane <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: But please, I'd love to second Pat's suggestion as well — let's have some info and suggestions from Sudane &amp; Sonja</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you all, We'll extend this discussion to the next meeting, on thursday or saturday, depending on the Commission chairs schedule</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: please watch notices.</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: .)</span><br />[10:43] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you Tor, i know this is hard work and it is work we need to do carefully</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: when is the next meeting?</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: Red"><span style="font-weight: bold">Soro Dagostino</span>: RL calls</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it is a joy</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thanks for coming Soro</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: thanks, Tor. I agree with Rose, and I think we're pretty close to agree on that</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: bye Soro</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: See you, Soro!</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: next item on the agenda is a discussion of the by election.</span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-style: italic">Sonja Strom is thankful to Tor, and believes this issue can move forward quickly</span></span><br />[10:44] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: As you all know, with the withdrawal of Al Andalus, we have lost one member of the RA</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Yes.</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: awwww</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":-(" title="Sad" /></span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this leaves us one member short per the certiffied number of the representatives for this term</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: ... unless that member quickly buys a plot... <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /></span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: but also leaves the RA at an even number, which we cannot leave</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: he's declined. i've asked</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Dang <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: we have lots for sale</span><br />[10:45] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: My reading of the STV legislation says we must have a by election to fill the seat, so would propose that we send this to the SC to establish</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and carrry on as soon as possible</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well that really means we have to go with that...</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*</span></span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Any thoughts?</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: let me re-read that bit of law... I think it's automatic,</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: still they need to set dates</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: e.g. we really wouldn't need to ask the SC for establishment</span><br />[10:46] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: no... the RA sets dates... that wasn't changed yet</span><br />[10:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, but someone oversees the voting.... yes?</span><br />[10:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn just asks for a few minutes!</span></span><br />[10:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not on the agenda! lol</span><br />[10:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: hehe ok</span><br />[10:47] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: fair's fair <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:47] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: does someone wish to propose dates then?</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: probably need to give ppl two weeks</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Sorry Rose. You ARE right.</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: My apologies!</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: &quot;Vacancies in RA positions will be filled by by-election administered on a schedule set by the Scientific Council consistent with other applicable CDS law.&quot;</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: smiles</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Straight from the Constitution.</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so lets refer it to the SC shall we?</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok, motion to move it to the SC immediately.</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: let the SC do it</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you.</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok cool we are off the hook</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: second</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: arria is that a second to gywns motion..okay pat</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: lol Tor</span><br />[10:48] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I am not sure the SC needs a motion</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: doesn't hurt</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: second</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I don't think so, either, but it doesn't hurt.... right EOse</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: *Rose even</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets just vote to refer and ask the SC to help us asap</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it's an automatic process</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: The SC must only know about the fact one RA memer is gone</span><br />[10:49] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: expected discussion of the fact that now we will each be representing about 5 people.. but okay</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: that's another story, but RA members are elected based on the number of citizens at the time of election; fluctuations are just accounted for at the next term.</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: which member has gone btw?</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the SC will be meeting monday i believe, so we can let them take it up</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Stui</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: ah ....</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I see Delia ....</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so no need to vote, fine. we can move on</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-weight: bold">Delia Lake</span>: the SC will meet at noon slt on Monday</span><br />[10:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you Delia</span><br />[10:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: will you take judicial notice that we don't need to vote on this motion?</span><br />[10:51] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Delia, could the SC meetings get onto the calendar?</span><br />[10:51] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-weight: bold">Delia Lake</span>: yes</span><br />[10:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ty</span><br />[10:51] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-weight: bold">Delia Lake</span>: and yes</span><br />[10:51] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: We are to item V, concerns of RA members, with a prayer of finishing close to on time. Floor is open</span><br />[10:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: any concerns</span><br />[10:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ?</span><br />[10:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: let me address the issue of archivist</span><br />[10:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oh yes please <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /></span><br />[10:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Cindy has volunteered to help as well but i havn't seen her for a while, and since arria is already chairing a commission, makes sense to me to spread the wealth</span><br />[10:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i think Cindy is travelling, but will be in touch with her to see if she is still interested</span><br />[10:53] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Goodie <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: i believe she has the skills to do the work as well</span><br />[10:53] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Rose, I have an access to the portal and I a used to</span><br />[10:53] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it's not a big work for me</span><br />[10:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: yes arria, but i think we need to have more people with those skills involved, so lets just hold for now</span><br />[10:54] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: anyway, the position is elected</span><br />[10:54] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: by the RA</span><br />[10:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you for your input. we'll have it on the agenda in a future meeting. There have been several terms where no RA Archivist was elected at all, i'm not concerned</span><br />[10:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: other issues?</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i propose arria for RA archivist</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I suppose that teh major problem is to make sure that the backlog of laws is posted on the portal... whole years are missing <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /></span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: indeed gwyn, but this term will be there</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I'd second that, Pat <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it's a problem for citizen who don't have an updated legislation</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: or perhaps we could propose both as joint archivists?</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: folks, this is out of order</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: oooh</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: this is just discussion of concerns, no motions</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: especially if we change the law about the way we pay fees</span><br />[10:55] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: that in effect creates a new role and a new item on the budget <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: and sorry, Rose, you're right.</span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Any other issues?</span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: lunch</span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: 4 more minutes Tor!</span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: if there are no more concerns of the RA, we can move to announcements</span><br />[10:56] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Gwyneth Llewelyn is fine with that.</span></span><br />[10:57] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I have one</span><br />[10:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay</span><br />[10:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: go ahead Arria</span><br />[10:57] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ty</span><br />[10:58] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: The Roman regional committee have decided to make a party on the beach on the 1st August</span><br />[10:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: oh, you are on announcements?</span><br />[10:58] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Calli will DJ</span><br />[10:58] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes</span><br />[10:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not concerns? let me make sure we are finished with concerns first please... Folks? any more?</span><br />[10:58] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: (I told my concern already)</span><br />[10:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: last meeting there was concern about the departure of Arias, and i thought you wanted to talk about that, but happy to move on</span><br />[10:59] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: yes, of course</span><br />[10:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, announcements</span><br />[10:59] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we can talk about that</span><br />[10:59] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Might that be more appropriate for the town hall meeting?</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Carolyn Saarinen</span>: He's actually gone at last?</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-style: italic">Pip Torok agrees with Kas</span></span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: Teal"><span style="font-weight: bold">Delia Lake</span>: /</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I think CDS has to find a new dynamic and integrate new citizen with ideas and projects</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: and how do you think that failed in this case?</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Carolyn Saarinen</span>: More curtain calls than sinatra</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: need to define &quot;gone&quot; or &quot;left&quot;</span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Patroklus Murakami think this will not end well....</span></span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry agrees</span></span><br />[11:00] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: As long as you all know he wanted to contoll all of LA for his university.</span>]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (Rose Springvale)</author>
            <category>Representative Assembly Announcements</category>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:30:49 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[[9:50] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Carolyn Saarinen</span>: &quot;Is creating commissions a real work ? Is making a bill a result ? ...A real project is something else than a commission work. &quot;</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: shh caro <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: to instruct the Chancellor to repossess all fully or partially delinquent parcels two weeks in arrears and</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: to finally return all objects and set for sale any parcel delinquent for one month.</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: The current law is NL 9-2 Land Sales Reclamation Act found at:  <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=240">http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=240</a><!-- m --></span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: --We also found support for making our tier more uniform.   We suggested we would look at his question more after this RA meeting.</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkOrange"><span style="font-weight: bold">Carolyn Saarinen</span>: ;p</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: However, in general support exists for basing tier on the number of prims allotted to each parcel.</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: </span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: --There was also concern regarding any costs related to the eventuality of de-merger between the five original CDS sims and AA sims.</span><br />[9:50] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Sudane was asked to begin considering this possibility.</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: --All in all on the commission seemed hopeful that we could continue work on an expansion of NFS.</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I did not hold subsequent meetings for several reasons.  One RL concerns on my part.  But also we had a number of meetings just in the past week and I suspected there might be conflicts.</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Finally, the merger question was coming to a resolution and I thought it best to let this question get settled.</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I am on leave this next two week and hope to have several meetings and optimum times for all.</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: The two motions for which the commissions found support are posted to the forums at:</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: </span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3007">viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3007</a><!-- l --></span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A Motion to re-parcel lot AH2 in Alpine Meadow</span><br />[9:51] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3006">viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3006</a><!-- l --></span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: Thats it</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: wow</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: woo hoo!</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: great report. thanks for taking the time to do all that!</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: a lot to digest <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> — thanks Tor!</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: wow, great work!</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: what tool are you using to give ur report tor? it's v handy</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: heh</span><br />[9:52] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: um Speakeasy</span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Tor, would you like us to discuss the specific motions at this point?</span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: sure</span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: the repaceling is probably the easiest</span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: reparceling</span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: I think we know this commission is a huge one and will be ongoing for the term, so don't get nervous, or relax too much <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: haha</span><br />[9:53] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, lets post it in the record please</span><br />[9:54] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: ok</span><br />[9:54] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I see that we have two motions...</span><br />[9:54] <span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A Motion to re-parcel lot AH2 in Alpine Meadow<br /><span style="font-style: italic">RA requests that the New Guild re-parcel the large lot in AM (AH2, 4096 sq. m. located in the NW corner of Alpine Meadow sim) with the suggestion that some portion of it be used solely as prim land.</span></span><br /><span style="color: RoyalBlue"><span style="font-style: italic">The parcel has been set for sale since before January 2010. Currently, it is too expensive for the market. It is priced at $L95,219.00. Depending on the the value of the Linden, this equates to about $344.00 to $380.00 USD.<br />[i]The RA instructs the New Guild to consider re-parcelling AH2 into no more than four parcels with a suggestion that some of the land be designated as prim farm land that will remain free of large structures.<br />The RA requests that the New Guild report back to the RA with a plan for re-parceling this plot no later than the first RA meeting after September 1, 2010.</span></span><br />[9:54] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you. Do we have a second for the motion?</span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: umm, isn't that the chancellors' job?</span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">muhammedyussif Wikinger</span>: second</span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: thank you muhammed</span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: now we can discuss</span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry raises a hand</span></span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: kas</span><br />[9:55] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: I'd like to offer an amendment which I hope is just for clarification -</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: ok...</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-style: italic">Kaseido Quandry whispers: in that last paragraph, to add after &quot;re-parceling,&quot; - &quot;and re-pricing&quot;</span></span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: Chopping up an insanely priced parcel alone doesn't get us anything</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: Tor?</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: indeed kas</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: any thoughts on that amendment?</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: I am not totally agains repricing our land. But I wonder if that is too much to take on in this motion.</span><br />[9:56] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: what amendment?</span><br />[9:57] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: scroll back, Pip</span><br />[9:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so for now you'd reject the amendment to add repricing to this proposal</span><br />[9:57] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Patroklus Murakami has a couple of questions when u r ready</span></span><br />[9:57] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i do agree with Kas, tho, our land seems to be prices way over comperable land elsewhere</span><br />[9:57] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: not friendly then, so i think we have to either have the amendment seconded and voted or withdrawn</span><br />[9:57] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: there is concept of pricing for each sim</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i didn't see an amendment. cd we have the text pls?</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: need either a second on kas's motion or we return to the discussion</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: in that last paragraph, to add after &quot;re-parceling,&quot; - &quot;and re-pricing&quot;</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: seconded</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: can Kas write the motion in a clear text?</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: did</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ah ok.... I had missed that too <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: ok</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i didn't get the text the first time</span><br />[9:58] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, so now we are considering ONLY the amendment which adds repricing</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: All in favor of amending the motion on the table to add repricing</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: please say aye</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: i saw no amendment either Pat</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: it would affect the pricing of the sim: two prim price for the same sim ....</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: if we are willing that is ok by me.</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i agree, it's daft to try selling it at that price. why not fix it lower? (but not at zero:))</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: Green"><span style="font-weight: bold">muhammedyussif Wikinger</span>: aye</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: lets stick with procedure</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-weight: bold">Lilith Ivory</span>: aye</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: Olive"><span style="font-weight: bold">Kaseido Quandry</span>: aye</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: aye</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: aye</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: abstain</span><br />[9:59] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye,</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: is it only the selling price, not the ffes?</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: i have no problem as thre seems to be wide support for this.</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: Kas, Tor?</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: aye</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: fees*</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: okay, motion carries, the motion on the table now will include repricing as well</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: YellowGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Pip Torok</span>: can someone IM the amended motion to me (thanks)</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: now we can discuss the motion, and i think Pat is in line next</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: jsut the selling price.</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: sorry, I dd not vote and I had a comprehesnsion question</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: tor, have the AM residents requested this reparcelling?</span><br />[10:00] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: you can speak after pat</span><br />[10:01] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: now I vote aye, as Tor has answered my question</span><br />[10:01] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: and, isn't this for the chancellor not the guild? (and not really us <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />)</span><br />[10:01] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: that's all</span><br />[10:01] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: anyone want to respond to pat?</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: I agree with Pat that it is risky to ask the Guild as it is a bit sleepy</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the Chancellor can do that</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-style: italic">Lilith Ivory smiles</span></span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Well.... my feeling is that we can certainly recommend the Chancellor with some action,</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: as amended</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: but the RA shouldnt't try to replace the Executive in its role <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: A Motion to re-parcel lot AH2 in Alpine Meadow<br /><span style="font-style: italic">RA requests that the New Guild re-parcel AND re price the large lot in AM (AH2, 4096 sq. m. located in the NW corner of Alpine Meadow sim) with the suggestion that some portion of it be used solely as prim land.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">The parcel has been set for sale since before January 2010. Currently, it is too expensive for the market. It is priced at $L95,219.00. Depending on the the value of the Linden, this equates to about $344.00 to $380.00 USD.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">The RA instructs the New Guild to consider re-parcelling AH2 into no more than four parcels with a suggestion that some of the land be designated as prim farm land that will remain free of large structures.</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic">The RA requests that the New Guild report back to the RA with a plan for re-parceling AND RE-PRICING this plot no later than the first RA meeting after September 1, 2010.</span></span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: the guild will meet tomorrow</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: is my understanding</span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: Gray"><span style="font-style: italic">Sonja Strom's ears perk up</span></span><br />[10:02] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: especially if it is only a farm for prims</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the Executive can decide of it will ask the Guild or not</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: This parcel has been empty for nearly a year i believe</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-style: italic">Patroklus Murakami thought AM was already double-prim...</span></span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: we all want to solve this question, Rose</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: I think the RA can make laws regarding land use</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: the quickest soltion is to ask the Chancellor to do that</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: and the Chancellor find a way to do this task</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: not sure i've had an answer on my first question</span><br />[10:03] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: so maybe this motion should be to request the chancellor to request the guild</span><br />[10:04] <span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Tor Karlsvalt</span>: it has been a problem since at least January and nothing was done.</span><br />[10:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Ok... you see, my point here is the following. I think we ALL agree that this is something importan to do, and do quickly. My only fear is that we might be stepping outside the powers of the RA <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /> and thus the SC might veto the proposal... wasting even another week....</span><br />[10:04] <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-weight: bold">Rose Springvale</span>: who then will report back to the chancellor who will report to us. I think the community is asking, through this commission, which has met several times, for action.</span><br />[10:04] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: I'd be fine with a motion to recommend teh Chancellor a course of action <img src="http://forums.slcds.info/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /></span><br />[10:05] <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gwyneth Llewelyn</span>: Aye, Rose</span><br />[10:05] <span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="font-weight: bold">Patroklus Murakami</span>: i'd be fine with that too gwyn</span><br />[10:05] <span style="color: SlateGray"><span style="font-weight: bold">Arria Perreault</span>: 