Transcript from the RA meeting, June 1, 2010

[Rose Springvale]

[12:10] Delia Lake: well, we have all the new representatives here
[12:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Good evening and Welcome Mathiew
[12:10] Solomon Mosely: touch anything
[12:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Stui and Cindy!
[12:10] Rose Springvale: sign records without touch apparently
[12:10] Cindy Ecksol: may have to multitask....
[12:10] DavidJrDotCom Asp: hi everyone
[12:10] mathiew Glenwalker: thank you stui
[12:10] fig whispers: Greeting Arias .
[12:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: a new face in the crowd !
[12:10] Rose Springvale: and color codes for posting
[12:10] mathiew Glenwalker: yeahhhhhh
[12:10] Lilith Ivory: yea!
[12:11] Rose Springvale: so do we begin?
[12:11] Delia Lake: yes
[12:11] Solomon Mosely: ok, 15 after
[12:11] Solomon Mosely: who's driving?
[12:11] Patroklus Murakami: let's get started
[12:11] StuiChicanne Darkstone: are you sitting comfortably ?
[12:11] Delia Lake: i will start
[12:11] Rose Springvale: Delia, do you want to administer the oath?
[12:11] StuiChicanne Darkstone: then I'll Begin
[12:11] Cindy Ecksol: recorder will record and send a transcript to me now...
[12:12] StuiChicanne Darkstone: is anyone sitting here ?
[12:12] Lilith Ivory: not yethehe
[12:12] Delia Lake: as Dean of the SC, I congratulate each and everyone of you on your election as representative in the 13th term of the CDS RA
[12:12] Cindy Ecksol: go ahead, stui, try ti out
[12:12] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'll test it
[12:12] StuiChicanne Darkstone: maybe AP left a booby trap
[12:12] Delia Lake: The Confederation of Democratic Simulators is a democratic state. One of the freedoms embodied in our Constitution is that of religious choice as specified in one of its Founding Documents, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
[12:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: *counts to ten*
[12:13] Delia Lake: i have passed to each of you a copy of the RA Affirmation of Office
[12:13] Delia Lake: Out of our respect for diverse religious beliefs about taking oaths as well as for RA members who may be non-religious, the following affirmation does not contain any referrences to any supernatural entities.
[12:14] StuiChicanne Darkstone: other than me eh Dee Dee
[12:14] Delia Lake: However, anyone taking office who may wish to do so may add the words "So help me God" [or any other entity] at the end, if they wish so. They may also replace the words "affirm" by "swear" if they are so inclined.
[12:15] StuiChicanne Darkstone: can I do it first ?
[12:15] Delia Lake: if you would please, each insert your own name into the NAME space of the affirmation, and enter your affirmation into the chat for the log.
[12:15] StuiChicanne Darkstone: can I go first ?
[12:15] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[12:15] Kaseido Quandry: lol Stui, hurry then! :p
[12:15] Delia Lake: so long as we get everyone
[12:15] Cindy Ecksol: /afk
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I am ready
[12:16] Pip Torok: (the first will be last and the last will be first
[12:16] Rose Springvale: we are waiting for you stui
[12:16] Delia Lake: and as quickly as possible
[12:16] StuiChicanne Darkstone: oops I think my copy is incomplete
[12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
[12:16] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Dee Dee can you resend it ?
[12:16] StuiChicanne Darkstone: *LOL*
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I, muhammedyussif Wikinger, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators. so help me God
[12:16] Rose Springvale: sorry stui, too slow
[12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: see, your chance is lost, Stui
[12:16] Pip Torok: I, Pip Torok, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:16] Lilith Ivory: I, Lilith Ivory, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:16] Tor Karlsvalt: I Tor Karlsvalt, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] Arria Perreault: I, Arria Perreault, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] Patroklus Murakami: I, Patroklus Murakami, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well I had to delay somehow - it's my trait *LOL*
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I, Gwyneth Llewelyn, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] Rose Springvale: I, Rose Springvale, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] Timo Gufler: I, Timo Gufler, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol !
[12:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I, StuiChicanne Darkstone (Stui), having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
So help me Patty !
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: @ Stui... heh
[12:17] Solomon Mosely: I, Solomon Mosely, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:17] Lilith Ivory giggles
[12:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Patty loves me
[12:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: deep down inside
[12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I see that we're managing to crash all devices around us...
[12:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone:
[12:18] Rose Springvale: yep
[12:18] mathiew Glenwalker asks himself: is crashing contageous?
[12:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope not, mathiew
[12:18] Delia Lake: many people have been crashing today
[12:18] Cindy Ecksol: ok, sorry...I'm back
[12:18] Solomon Mosely: oh, having a storm here, always knocks my connection wonky
[12:18] Tor Karlsvalt: me to Mat
[12:18] Cindy Ecksol: client in crisis
[12:18] mathiew Glenwalker: wear your masks!
[12:19] mathiew Glenwalker thinks he is really contageous
[12:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh my. We're having an agitated meeting.
[12:19] Delia Lake: lol
[12:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm wearing my safety unders
[12:19] Delia Lake: we are missing Cindy
[12:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: anti crash unders
[12:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Cindy Doody !
[12:19] mathiew Glenwalker: lol
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: ok, back again....
[12:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's your turn
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: sorry....
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: phone won't stop ringing
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: your turn to swear
[12:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww Cindy
[12:19] Tor Karlsvalt: we are missing Kas
[12:19] Timo Gufler: turn it off
[12:19] Cindy Ecksol: card?
[12:19] Delia Lake: oops yes
[12:19] Delia Lake: lost Kas
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: let´s swear now and be nice the rest of the term
[12:20] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I can teach Cindy to swear
[12:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Stui lol
[12:20] Tor Karlsvalt: second for lillith
[12:20] Cindy Ecksol: I, Cindy Ecksol, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:20] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'll just try her patience a bit
[12:20] fig whispers: Noticed Arria
[12:20] StuiChicanne Darkstone: esp. if she is chancellor
[12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm
[12:21] Delia Lake: we are stil missing Kas
[12:21] Cindy Ecksol: thank you stui -- I SOOOO appreciate your support!
[12:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I can put on a ladies voice
[12:21] Tor Karlsvalt: she isn't even on yet
[12:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'll pretend to be Kas
[12:21] Delia Lake: no
[12:21] Delia Lake: and no )
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: she seemes to be crashed
[12:21] Solomon Mosely: ok, well, 10/13, can we still elect lra?
[12:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I can be Lady G
[12:22] StuiChicanne Darkstone: You've been a very bad girl, a very very bad BAD girl, gaga!
[12:22] Patroklus Murakami: kas will get a 7-day vote if she is not able to come back
[12:22] Delia Lake: this as you know is the first RA under new rules where Factions are not the organizing groups
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: ah
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: wb Kas
[12:22] Rose Springvale: yay Kas!
[12:22] Tor Karlsvalt: wb Kas
[12:22] Kaseido Quandry: thanks -
[12:22] Delia Lake: in the past there has been a LRA previous to the first RA meeting of a new term
[12:22] Kaseido Quandry: my apologies, I had to reboot my router
[12:22] fig whispers: Greeting CDS_NewPraetorium_l.
[12:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's ok Kas I offered to put on my lady voice
[12:23] Kaseido Quandry: lol! thanks, Stui!
[12:23] Delia Lake: as soon as Kas has rezzed and taken her affirmation
[12:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ha
[12:23] fig whispers: Greeting Notecard .
[12:23] Kaseido Quandry: I, Kaseido Quandry, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[12:23] Delia Lake: ty Kas
[12:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: YAY !
[12:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: there you go — congrats to all new RA members for the 13th term!
[12:23] fig whispers: Greeting Cindy .
[12:23] Delia Lake: we have now officially constituted the 13th RA
[12:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: woo hoo!
[12:24] Pip Torok: yes congratulation , all
[12:24] fig whispers: Greeting StuiChicanne .
[12:24] Kaseido Quandry cheers, in a glowing, cloud-like way
[12:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: oooh who is fig ?
[12:24] Patroklus Murakami: 13.... hmmmm!
[12:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: oh it's sol's dog
[12:24] Solomon Mosely: your new master stui
[12:24] Rose Springvale: lucky number
[12:24] Arria Perreault: 13 for the 13th RA
[12:24] fig whispers: Greeting Patroklus .
[12:24] Kaseido Quandry giggles
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: How more lucky can we get?
[12:24] Delia Lake: so my duties are over, and you all may now self organize to elect your LRA for this term
[12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll last until 2013, I'm sure
[12:25] Solomon Mosely: i bet stu knows
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[12:25] StuiChicanne Darkstone: you were blessed when I walked in
[12:25] Rose Springvale: smiles. and
[12:25] Rose Springvale: if we are lucky and efficient
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: Who is the 13th
[12:25] Rose Springvale: 13 meetings
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope to do more, but that's for the next RA meeting...
[12:25] Rose Springvale: okay, i am going to just ask for nominations for LRA...
[12:25] Kaseido Quandry: I nominate Rose Springvale for LRA
[12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... to discuss
[12:25] Solomon Mosely: a little alchemy and we make 13 a good number
[12:25] Tor Karlsvalt: me i think
[12:25] Rose Springvale: so we aren't stalled
[12:25] Patroklus Murakami: i nominate arria perreault for LRA
[12:25] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I second
[12:26] Pip Torok: I nominate arria Perrault
[12:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I second Rosy !
[12:26] Timo Gufler: I second Pip
[12:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds either Pat or Pip (same nomination!)
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: I second Rose
[12:26] Rose Springvale: lol
[12:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[12:26] Rose Springvale: other nominations?
[12:26] Kaseido Quandry: call for vote
[12:26] Timo Gufler: I second Arria (I meant)
[12:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: don't all rush to nominate me
[12:26] Patroklus Murakami: hold on
[12:26] Cindy Ecksol: ummm...discussion?
[12:26] Patroklus Murakami: could we ask the candidtes qns before we vote?
[12:27] Pip Torok: we need a discussion ...
[12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: note that Rose got 22 votes in the last election for first pref
[12:27] Rose Springvale: why?
[12:27] Rose Springvale: we have never before
[12:27] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[12:27] Rose Springvale: this isn't chancellor
[12:27] Lilith Ivory agrees with Tor
[12:27] Pip Torok: whats that to do with it Tor?
[12:27] Patroklus Murakami: we never had an election for LRA before rose
[12:27] Cindy Ecksol: Rose, we've never ELECTED a LRA before
[12:27] Patroklus Murakami: so we never had a chance
[12:27] Arria Perreault: this is the first election of an LRA, Rose
[12:27] Rose Springvale: i'm aware of that
[12:27] Arria Perreault: I am ready to answer questions
[12:27] Solomon Mosely: fig come
[12:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we did elect one... as a replacement once
[12:27] Patroklus Murakami: could delia continue to chair until we have an LRA elected?
[12:28] Rose Springvale: sure, want to start with statements?
[12:28] Patroklus Murakami: so this does not become a free-for-all
[12:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now that's a good idea, Pat I second that
[12:28] Tor Karlsvalt: that is a good idea Pat
[12:28] fig whispers: Noticed Lilith
[12:28] StuiChicanne Darkstone: hasn't an RA member who's been elected with the most votes got the support of the citizens and so therefore has the greater right to be here than our choice as the elected body ?
[12:28] Patroklus Murakami: no stui. thats not how it works
[12:28] Cindy Ecksol: no, stui, the new law does not state that.
[12:28] Rose Springvale: its okayu stui, lets just do it
[12:28] Pip Torok: not in th constitution Stui
[12:28] Delia Lake: the new law does not specify
[12:28] Cindy Ecksol: we have to make it up as we go along
[12:29] Arria Perreault: it was the former law
[12:29] Solomon Mosely: that logic held when parties ruled, but not now ffor some reason
[12:29] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well I hope we stick to the constitution this term
[12:29] Tor Karlsvalt: NO but I think that should be considered.
[12:29] Rose Springvale: okay, i'm prepared for questions. go for it
[12:29] Cindy Ecksol notes that it had no logic previously...but it was the law
[12:29] StuiChicanne Darkstone: ha I thought the mandate of the citizenship would be sufficient... *LOL*
[12:29] Rose Springvale: but lets keep it to 15 minutes okay?
[12:29] Patroklus Murakami: perhaps we could have candidate statements and then questions?
[12:29] Patroklus Murakami: short statements?
[12:29] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I didn't think we were higher than they are
[12:29] Pip Torok: second pats suggestion
[12:29] Delia Lake: we have 2 nominees for LRA, Rose and Arria
[12:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, sounds reasonable — a short statement would be fine
[12:30] Rose Springvale: arria, go ahead, i'm sure you are prepared
[12:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Arria shoiuld go first as she is the last LRA, or have the option
[12:30] Arria Perreault: let's say we take the alphabetical order ...
[12:31] Solomon Mosely: holy cow
[12:31] Solomon Mosely: first or last name....?
[12:31] Arria Perreault: I am running for the position of LRA. I had this position for one term already.
[12:31] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Sol... Rl Name or SL name ?
[12:31] Solomon Mosely: heh
[12:31] Arria Perreault: I think I am able to take in account the proposals of the different members of the RA and of the citizen to set the agenda and to manage the debates.
[12:32] Arria Perreault: during my term, the agenda was open to everyone who had a proposal, which seems to me important in democracy
[12:32] Arria Perreault: Because of her/his tasks in this Assembly, the LRA has a duty of neutrality.
[12:32] Arria Perreault: I think it will important during this term to have someone able to be neutral to manage this assembly
[12:33] Arria Perreault: it is not the main task of the LRA to develop projects
[12:33] Arria Perreault: I think also that it isimportant to avoid conflicts of interest
[12:33] Arria Perreault: as you know, I have no interest in Al-ANdalus
[12:34] Kaseido Quandry: isn't that the truth
[12:34] Solomon Mosely: no kidding
[12:34] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well at least we aren't dressing it up
[12:34] Arria Perreault: I consider I can manage the different debates we will have, especially about the agreement between CDS and the owner of AA
[12:35] Patroklus Murakami notes that 'no interest in' has a number of meanings which people who speak english as a second language might not be aware of
[12:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed
[12:35] Arria Perreault: we should have serene debates about this question and other
[12:35] Arria Perreault: That's why I believe I can manage this task during this term.
[12:36] Arria Perreault: Thank you
[12:36] Cindy Ecksol scratches her head wondering whether a "serene debate" would be any fun.....
[12:36] Solomon Mosely: claps
[12:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, Arria!
[12:36] Patroklus Murakami applauds
[12:36] Pip Torok: claps
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: haha cindy
[12:36] Rose Springvale: shall i go or shall arria take questions first?
[12:36] mathiew Glenwalker: claps too
[12:36] Cindy Ecksol claps
[12:36] Timo Gufler claps
[12:36] Pip Torok: suggest arria takes questions now ...
[12:36] Tor Karlsvalt: I think you should do yur statement first

[Rose Springvale]

[12:37] Rose Springvale: delia?
[12:37] Delia Lake: yes, Rose, then people may ask questions of both of you
[12:37] Rose Springvale: thank you. and thank you to Arria.
[12:37] Rose Springvale: Three words define what i want from the RA this term
[12:37] Rose Springvale: Accountability, Accessibility and Action.
[12:38] Patroklus Murakami: AA and A nice
[12:38] Rose Springvale: it is the job of the RA to lead the community, and that means that it is our job to assure that the people we elect are doing their job
[12:38] Patroklus Murakami: in case we wondered what the priority was
[12:38] Pip Torok wonders where "independence comes in
[12:38] Rose Springvale: that includes the Chancellor, the staff and our members.
[12:38] Rose Springvale: appreciates the courtesy being extended
[12:38] Kaseido Quandry: Pat, if you play her speech backwars, it says "All Hail Satan" too :p
[12:39] Rose Springvale: accessibility.... we don't need to sit on high chaira and rule. We need to be among the people. we need to talk to our neighbors, we need their input on our laws
[12:39] Rose Springvale: we need to have open meetings where all are encouraged to participate
[12:39] Rose Springvale: in varying days and time zones
[12:39] Rose Springvale: we need in short, to represent.
[12:39] Rose Springvale: and action.
[12:40] Rose Springvale: the last RA will forever be characterized by what it didnt' get done
[12:40] Rose Springvale: that's not healthy.
[12:40] Rose Springvale: Much has been said about neutrality.
[12:40] StuiChicanne Darkstone: (and needing a megaphone)
[12:40] Rose Springvale: and conflict of interest
[12:40] Rose Springvale: yet no one has spoken about facts.
[12:40] Rose Springvale: the facts:
[12:40] Rose Springvale: Arria has come out opposing, publickly the AA merger
[12:41] Rose Springvale: I have always, and continue to be, left the option open that AA may or may not continue
[12:41] Pip Torok thinks this shd be about Rose not Arria
[12:41] Rose Springvale: I have spent many hours working for CDS, trying to create an environment open and friendly to all who wish to participate iin a democratic experiment
[12:41] Rose Springvale: i will continue to do so
[12:42] StuiChicanne Darkstone: **'`*`'** Stui **'`*`'**
[12:42] StuiChicanne Darkstone: thinks it's free speech
[12:42] Rose Springvale: i don't have preconcieved notions about who is good or bad
[12:42] Tor Karlsvalt: I think arriawas not interrupted
[12:42] Rose Springvale: i don't expect to be yoked with assumptions based on innuendo, but to deal solely in facts
[12:42] Rose Springvale: I can do this job, and i have no party affiliation
[12:43] Rose Springvale: so i guess i'm confused when i'm labeld "not neurtral"
[12:43] Rose Springvale: i have a list of the issues for the 13th RA
[12:43] Rose Springvale: it is long
[12:43] Rose Springvale: it is going to take work
[12:43] Patroklus Murakami: but you do have a conflict of interest - as Al Andalus Estate Owner and founder of the VDI non-profit which owns them
[12:43] Rose Springvale: it is goign to take eveyrone in this room to accomplish
[12:43] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Patty
[12:43] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[12:43] Solomon Mosely: save it for questions pat
[12:43] Rose Springvale: will be happy to take your questions later
[12:43] Rose Springvale: but we cannot afford to continue the way we have been
[12:44] Rose Springvale: if we want to be taken seriously, and i for one do, then we need to quit "Playing Politics" and illustrate democracy in virtual worlds
[12:44] Rose Springvale: I challenge you all to join me, professionally, as we take on this taxk
[12:44] Rose Springvale: task.
[12:44] Rose Springvale: thank you
[12:44] Cindy Ecksol applauds enthusiastically
[12:44] Lilith Ivory claps
[12:44] StuiChicanne Darkstone: YAY !
[12:44] Tor Karlsvalt: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[12:44] mathiew Glenwalker applauds
[12:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you, Rose
[12:45] Solomon Mosely: claps
[12:45] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks rose
[12:45] Patroklus Murakami claps
[12:45] Kaseido Quandry applauds
[12:45] Ulysse Alexandre claps
[12:45] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I put a candle down to light the way
[12:46] Solomon Mosely: ok, questions
[12:46] Pip Torok raises hand for a quetion
[12:47] fig whispers: Greeting CLEOPATRA .
[12:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Pip has a question
[12:48] Kaseido Quandry: I don't think chaos will ensue if we all just ask them
[12:48] fig whispers: Noticed Timo
[12:48] Pip Torok: Rose how can you know your not totally unsuitable? As the Estate Owner for Al Andalus and the founder of the VDI non-profit which owns the AA sims, Rose has a clear vested interest in both the finalisation of the merger with AA and any future transfer of the CDS sims to VDI. In these circumstances it would be _wholly_ inappropriate for her to set the agenda for, organise and chair RA meetings
[12:48] Timo Gufler throws a bone to fig
[12:48] Rose Springvale: smiles
[12:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: See also: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=182 (point 7)
[12:49] Rose Springvale: you are operating on assumptions that have no basis in fact pip. 1) Virtual democracy Inc, a texas non profit corporation, which has three board members, owns the AA estate
[12:49] Cindy Ecksol wonders whether pip is asking a question or making an attack
[12:49] Rose Springvale: not going off line, please ask in chat
[12:49] Pip Torok: and that makes you totally mot-neutral, Rose
[12:49] Rose Springvale: no
[12:50] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[12:50] Pip Torok: *not-neutral
[12:50] Rose Springvale: i disagree
[12:50] Rose Springvale: you are the one not neutral, as you appear to have made up your mind
[12:50] Pip Torok: the facts speak for themselves
[12:50] Patroklus Murakami: rose, are you trying to claim that you are *not* the Al Andalus Estate Owner?
[12:50] Arias Ahren: Raises Hand
[12:50] Rose Springvale: my method is to gather facts.
[12:50] Rose Springvale: that's correct pat
[12:50] fig whispers: Greeting Alexia .
[12:50] Patroklus Murakami: this beggars belief
[12:50] Rose Springvale: linden labs sends invoices to the corporation
[12:50] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I think aLRA should take care of the function of RA and not change the society
[12:50] Pip Torok: i stating facts Roser, not my mind
[12:51] Rose Springvale: ask the treasurer, she gets them
[12:51] Arias Ahren: Raises Hand
[12:51] Tor Karlsvalt: Perhaps thisis like Sudane bein gour EO
[12:51] Rose Springvale: furthemore, the merger agreement was already adopted
[12:51] Cindy Ecksol agrees with Tor
[12:51] Lilith Ivory: Imo Rose wants what is best for all Sim including AA, but everybody else should want the same
[12:51] Rose Springvale: so the question left ti determine is if CDS will comply with it, Nothing really to debate here
[12:51] Patroklus Murakami: sudane can't stand for office. the law forbids it
[12:52] Lilith Ivory: as she is treasurer
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol wonders what Pats point might be....
[12:52] Patroklus Murakami: the point is to avoid conflict of interest. and there is clearly one here
[12:52] fig whispers: Noticed hippoRENT
[12:52] Tor Karlsvalt: is that Sudane or Rudeen?
[12:52] Rose Springvale: well, if i didn't own any land in CDS yoru point would have more weight
[12:52] Cindy Ecksol: Pat, if Sudane is the estate owner (by virtue of receiving the notices from LL) then where's the conflict?
[12:52] Rose Springvale: but you don't own land in AA, so perhaps you are conflicted?
[12:52] Pip Torok: If Sudane as EO cannot stand for office then how can Rose as EO stand for office?
[12:53] Solomon Mosely: forget sudane....
[12:53] Rose Springvale: VDI is the estate owner... and this is a moot point.. if i can be in RA, and no one challenged that
[12:53] Kaseido Quandry: Pip, what makes you think that is the case?
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: I thought ROse just pointd out that she is NOT the EO....
[12:53] Rose Springvale: how can you care now?
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: Rose does not receive the notices from LL...Sudane does.
[12:53] Rose Springvale: and i did seek a ruling before i ran
[12:53] Rose Springvale: cindy, VDI recieves the notices
[12:53] StuiChicanne Darkstone: the EO is the non profit which is more than one person
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: this is true
[12:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Sudane is not the EO (from a techbnical point it) either, in case you failed to notice
[12:53] Patroklus Murakami: where is this ruling rose?
[12:53] Pip Torok: Kas ... in RA does the Boss chair your union?
[12:53] Cindy Ecksol: ok, so it's VDI, butu I still don't see the conflict....
[12:53] Tor Karlsvalt: neither is Rose
[12:54] Rose Springvale: is there other questions? Pat, a member of only CDS, thinks members of both communities are conflicted.
[12:54] StuiChicanne Darkstone: isn't there 2 other people on the VDI ?
[12:54] Solomon Mosely: in any event, even if she *was* biased to lean towards *continuing* the agreed up merger, so has the cds, as the referendum illustrated.
[12:54] Rose Springvale: yes, stui, and CDS is supposed to appoint two more
[12:54] Solomon Mosely: if anything, you could accuse her of following the will of the people
[12:54] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and isn't one of those others Dee ?
[12:54] Rose Springvale: there is no conflict cindy
[12:54] Patroklus Murakami: i think you have to perform some real mental double-think to believe that rose is not the AA estate owner
[12:54] Kaseido Quandry: Pip, I have no idea what you just said, and it's entirely irrelevant. I believe the law forbids "the treasurer" from holding elected office, not the EO - and as pointed out, neither Sudane nor Rose is EO of record
[12:54] Arias Ahren: Raises Hand!
[12:54] Rose Springvale: thanks for your opinion pat. next?
[12:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kas: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=182 (point 7) Read it please.
[12:55] Pip Torok: when you own or part-own VDI there _must_ be a conflict
[12:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 7). The EO will receive no compensation for the office. In addition, the EO will be prohibited from holding any elected or appointed office in the sim government, unless a waiver might be granted, on a case by case basis, by the SC. The only compensation provided will be the ceremonial title "Owner of the Sim".
[12:55] Patroklus Murakami: "the EO will be prohibited from holding any elected or appointed office in the sim government, unless a waiver might be granted, on a case by case basis, by the SC."
[12:55] Cindy Ecksol: I agree with you rose: I see no conflict. But obviously Pat and Pip do...I'm just trying to figure this out.
[12:55] Cindy Ecksol: Ah, Pip, now I see...you feel as though Rose OWNS part of VDI....
[12:55] Delia Lake: our law as written should be revisited for many reasons. it appears to be out of date regarding LL policies
[12:55] Timo Gufler: Rose, who are the board members of your non-profit organization?
[12:55] Cindy Ecksol: but the fact is that one cannot "own" part of a not for profit....
[12:55] StuiChicanne Darkstone: will we explore the AROSA link with the chancellor this time ?
[12:55] Arria Perreault: but this is the current law
[12:55] Patroklus Murakami: where is your ruling on this rose? is it a private word from the SC or has it been made public?
[12:56] Cindy Ecksol: she's a volunteer board member, not an employee or owner...
[12:56] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm just leaping ahead with my logic as others are wanting to do
[12:56] Pip Torok: but Rose _does_ have part-control over VDI
[12:56] Cindy Ecksol: perhaps you're just unfamiliar with that concept?
[12:56] Cindy Ecksol: what is "control"?
[12:56] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[12:56] Rose Springvale: is there another question?
[12:56] Pip Torok: controlog policy
[12:56] Arias Ahren: Yes
[12:56] Rose Springvale: this has been answered
[12:56] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well Pip that's rather like saying I get heard at RA last term and made all the decisions
[12:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Rose who collects the tier for AA?
[12:56] Patroklus Murakami: you have not answered mine rose
[12:56] Pip Torok: control of policy
[12:56] Arria Perreault: who will represent VDI in the negociation?
[12:56] Patroklus Murakami: where is your SC ruling?
[12:56] Arias Ahren: I believe that there is a person who has been nominated for the position of LRA who did not attend a single meeting of the RA during the last term.
I believe if this body if to ever be taken seriously that fact needs to be given serious consideration.
Rose: How many of last term RA meetings did you attend?
[12:57] Timo Gufler: who are the board members of the non-profit organization behind AA?
[12:57] Kaseido Quandry: More than you, chief.
[12:57] Rose Springvale: thanks for your input Arias. I attended a few, and read transcripts from them all.
[12:57] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Arias since when was it necessary for people to attend RA meetings to function as informed citizens ?
[12:57] StuiChicanne Darkstone: the Forum is supposed to plug the gaps
[12:57] Pip Torok: Rose Springvale, Micael Khandr, Delia Lake
[12:57] Patroklus Murakami: and i did seek a ruling before i ran<--- where is it?
[12:57] Rose Springvale: i was not a member of the RA last term, and since the meetings were held during church hour, i chose church.
[12:58] Arias Ahren: Rose: I have heard you say on a number of occasions that you “hate” four of the members or the newly elected RA. How do you propose to work with people that you say that you hate.
[12:58] Rose Springvale: take your complaint to the SC pat, its really untimely now
[12:58] Timo Gufler: Rose, did you see my question?
[12:58] Rose Springvale: arias, i'm not aware of those conversations.
[12:58] Patroklus Murakami: you have no ruling rose
[12:58] Pip Torok: (Rose puts us firmly second, in our place!)
[12:58] Arias Ahren: That is a lie
[12:59] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think we should stick to the facts
[12:59] Rose Springvale: i'm sorry timo, i didn't see your question, will you restate it
[12:59] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and those that are commonly visible
[12:59] Timo Gufler: who are the board members of the non-profit organization behind AA?
[12:59] Patroklus Murakami: i wonder who the gang of four could be?
[12:59] Kaseido Quandry: Arria, you stated that you believe the LRA should be independent- yet you were one of a minority of candidates to run as a member of a faction. How do you reconcile those things?
[12:59] StuiChicanne Darkstone: not the suppositions that are not
[12:59] Rose Springvale: VDI has three current board members, myself, micael khandr and Delia lake
[12:59] Pip Torok: Rose Springvale, Micael Khandr, Delia Lake
[12:57] MystiTool
[12:59] Timo Gufler: ok, thank you
[12:59] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I have a question for AP
[13:00] Rose Springvale: the merger agreement called for the CDS chancellor to serve, and for CDS to appoint two more members
[13:00] Rose Springvale: CDS has not done so
[13:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (it had time until June 30 )
[13:00] Tor Karlsvalt: Some pple here should never complaim abt personal attacks
[13:00] Kaseido Quandry: Arria , did you not run on a faction platform of invalidating the merger? Is that not a clear conflict of interest?
[13:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head* that's like asking "you have opinions, isn't that a conflict of interest"? Kas, Arria gets elected because of opinios
[13:01] Pip Torok knows Arria better than Kaseido does, it seems ...
[13:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *opinions even
[13:01] StuiChicanne Darkstone: AP last term... I had a seconded motion at a meeting... and I had to wait for my vote... until others had discussed til their heart was content, then at other times I was forced to vote because someone had exactly the same on the table.... how can that be seen other than that I was being ignored ?
[13:01] Kaseido Quandry: Arria made two statements which cannot be reconciled.
[13:01] Rose Springvale: smiles at the double standards
[13:02] Solomon Mosely: arria, your recent forum posts point to your exclusive interest in your monastery project. will that be the focus of your attention this term? or will it continue to fall through the cracks, like all other matters last term?
[13:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia grins
[13:02] Arria Perreault: In a parliament (as we are), someone has to chair the debate. This is an advantage and a disavantage. The fact you can set the agenda is an advantage. The disavantage is that you use your energy to manage the debate instead to participate complitely to this debate. That was my experience. Even I was CSDF member, I have taken in the agenda concerns from you or from Stui. Of course, at the moment of the vote, the LRA become again a normal member.
[13:02] Tor Karlsvalt: I was reading some old guild transcrips, I wonder if greek iles were put onhold because of the AA merger?
[13:02] Solomon Mosely: arria, what did you do as lra last term to hold the chancellor accountable for following through on her obligations as exec?
[13:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Tor — we felt we had plenty of sims to worry about
[13:03] Kaseido Quandry waits for the answer to that question
[13:03] Tor Karlsvalt: I thin k Arria, the greed isles were a project you supported
[13:03] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and I asked you in your capacity as LRA also to ask the RA members of the work group for citizenship def to be asked for their consent to be recorded... and you wouldn't ask them... and I asked more than 5 times and more....
[13:03] Solomon Mosely: arria, what did you do last term to get constitional holes regarding elections tidied up?
[13:03] StuiChicanne Darkstone: consequently I wasn't able to supply the transcripts of this to the group members
[13:03] Arria Perreault: we had a Bill about finances. It's still pending and ready to be voted
[13:03] StuiChicanne Darkstone: how could you assure this sort of thing wouldn't occur again ?
[13:04] Cindy Ecksol notes that that bill was in the LAST RA....to be voted in this RA it will have to be re-introduced.
[13:04] Kaseido Quandry: Arria, do you not have a consistent record of failing to promote events run by anyone outside your faction, and have you not demonstrated consistent favoritism in events promotion?
[13:04] StuiChicanne Darkstone: i.e I'd like to be heard and treated as an equal
[13:04] Arria Perreault: I am an RA member, Cindy. I can reintroduce it
[13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: Arria characterize your interest in the monaster.
[13:05] Cindy Ecksol: yes @arria...but it is NOT currently pending. last term's bills are all dead unless reintroduced and re-seconded for discussion
[13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, Cindy is right.
[13:06] Arria Perreault: Tor, you're right to tell about that. I got so many reproaches when I had this project of sim, because I was in the RA and in the New Guild
[13:06] Delia Lake: if i may as SC Dean make a point re the NL 5-6 Estate Owner Act. This law as written is aparently not up to date on LL policies regarding nonprofit sim ownership. and also we have in the CDS and have had a Treasurer and CDS EO who are one and the same rl person so there is precedent of long standing for a waiver from this law. Hereby, Rose is granted a waiver and if Sudane does not already have one she is granted a waiver retroactively. This law is being taken up by the SC for recommended revision
[13:06] Arria Perreault: so I have left these two groups to concentrate on the project
[13:06] Patroklus Murakami: LOL!
[13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
[13:06] Arria Perreault: when the sim was voted, I was not member of the RA
[13:06] Arria Perreault: I WAS consistent
[13:06] Patroklus Murakami: delia, r u holding SC meetings here too now?
[13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that was fast
[13:07] Patroklus Murakami: (and, as a member of VDI, should you not recuse yourself?)
[13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: but yiu still have a considerable interest in the monastery.
[13:07] Rose Springvale: smiles, VDI is not running for office
[13:07] Patroklus Murakami: (conflict of interest? hmm?)
[13:07] Pip Torok recognises the SC ruling but notes the total conflict of interest for an LRA
[13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (well, Pat, actually, nothing really forbids SC members to be EOs )
[13:07] Solomon Mosely: arria, what assurances do we have that you don't really just represent your party, and will give equal attention to the issues raised bu others in ra?
[13:07] StuiChicanne Darkstone: *thinks AROSA*
[13:07] Arias Ahren: The developer of VDI is
[13:07] Arria Perreault: and Kas, I have a lot to say about communication. The only hing I want to tell you is that you mixt constlantly public information and event promotion. I don't
[13:08] Arias Ahren: Is running for office
[13:08] Tor Karlsvalt: IN SL many of us here have other sims we are involved in
[13:08] Arria Perreault: because I did during the last term. I have taken concernns from other sides
[13:08] Patroklus Murakami: and, when the sims have all been handed over to VDI? there will be no conflict of interest!

[Rose Springvale]

[13:08] Kaseido Quandry: Was not Feria a public event? Did you not fail to promote it? Was not the pirate party a private event? Did you not promote that extensively?
[13:08] Solomon Mosely: really? like what?
[13:08] Timo Gufler: good point, Pat
[13:08] Rose Springvale: VDI doesn't have any interest in others sims
[13:09] Kaseido Quandry: did you not fail to promote the public event of the photography contest?
[13:09] Arria Perreault: Pirate event was a project of the regional committe of CN-LA
[13:09] Solomon Mosely: "when all sims are handed over to vdi"?
[13:09] Pip Torok: Rose, how do we know you won't try to take the CDS sims for VDI?
[13:09] Solomon Mosely: what does that even mean?
[13:09] Rose Springvale: LOL
[13:09] Arria Perreault: Fera was a project of the regional committe of AA
[13:09] Patroklus Murakami: of course not rose. but your friends will 'suggest' the CDS is turned over and you'll agree
[13:09] Rose Springvale: pip, that is a very naive statement
[13:09] Rose Springvale: no Feria was a CDS event
[13:09] Rose Springvale: like oktoberfest
[13:09] Pip Torok notes that LOL is no answer ...
[13:09] Solomon Mosely: yea, thats completely impossible
[13:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Note that it's not the job of the *LRA* to promote and announce events That's why we have an *Executive*
[13:09] Patroklus Murakami: and all the ppl making decisions will be... in VDI!
[13:09] Arria Perreault: no, Rose, I find this is an interesting question
[13:10] Solomon Mosely: ohhh... and the executive who was supposed to appoint a pio
[13:10] Rose Springvale: to transfer sims from one owner to another requires action from both
[13:10] Kaseido Quandry: Gwyn, thank you - I'll be quoting you on that when we vote on the Executive!
[13:10] Solomon Mosely: and a land management team?
[13:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Kas please do
[13:10] fig whispers: Noticed hippoRENT
[13:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: *notes that Pip would always want no other answer than the one he wants to hear*
[13:10] Tor Karlsvalt: VDI is a neutral holding company
[13:10] Rose Springvale: VDI can't "take over" anything
[13:10] Arria Perreault: the exec organizes her/his office
[13:10] Pip Torok: On the contrary, Rose ... it goes to the heart of the matter
[13:10] Rose Springvale: please explain Pip
[13:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: sometimes life just isn't that fair Pippy
[13:10] fig whispers: Noticed mathiew
[13:10] Arria Perreault: Sonja has sold out the land: 2 parcels are for sale now
[13:11] Solomon Mosely: pat, you're misinformation is disgusting and disruptive
[13:11] Solomon Mosely: no pip, that isnt even an issue
[13:11] Pip Torok: Sonja has plots in NFS
[13:11] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[13:11] Kaseido Quandry: Interesting, as Sonja was utterly uninolved in *my* two purchases of land
[13:11] Arria Perreault: and there is 2 new channels of information
[13:11] Patroklus Murakami: mark my words. we will look back at this in six months and it will be too late by then
[13:11] Solomon Mosely: you're creating it to create fear of some phantom takover, which isnt even possible
[13:11] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think that this big focus is frankly insulting of Micael and Dee's integrity
[13:11] Pip Torok: its very much an issue Sol
[13:11] Tor Karlsvalt: sonja didn'd sell the land, pple just bought it
[13:11] Solomon Mosely: go back to your "rovian" playbook and try again
[13:11] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I know both Micael and Dee
[13:11] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and they are capable of being heard
[13:11] Arria Perreault: this is the goal, Tor
[13:11] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and of making their points
[13:11] Arria Perreault: to see the land sold
[13:12] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and not being influenced
[13:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Sonjay never marketed anything
[13:12] Arria Perreault: she just put parcels for sales that were blocked for a long time
[13:12] Kaseido Quandry: well, not anything in the CDS, at least :p
[13:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right. So let me ask a question to BOTH candidates. Will you support legislation that regulates the way the VDI will respect the CDS' decisions, and, if so, how will those be enforced?
[13:12] Rose Springvale: blocked?
[13:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Is not Rose more controversial than Arria. LRA ought to be as little controversial as possible
[13:12] Arria Perreault: not for sale in-world = block
[13:12] Arria Perreault: visibly it is the best method as all is sold out
[13:12] Pip Torok cheers Gwyn
[13:13] Rose Springvale: not true Arria. all the was owned by the CDS was placed for sale before she took office
[13:13] Solomon Mosely: none of you dpu/csdf people have read the merger, have you?
[13:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Muh - not in my view
[13:13] Arria Perreault: why do you claim about that
[13:13] Rose Springvale: and not the law from the last term
[13:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: in my view AP didn't listen to me
[13:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and ignored me
[13:13] Rose Springvale: the query re agreements
[13:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but didn't do the same with others in the room
[13:13] Solomon Mosely: VDI, is CONTROLLED by the CDS exec! it can't do anything without cds!
[13:13] fig whispers: Noticed Lilith
[13:13] Arria Perreault: during the 11th term, people claimed we had so many unsold land and now thy claim because it's sold out
[13:13] StuiChicanne Darkstone: therefore that's more my concern
[13:13] Rose Springvale: Gwyn, CDS agreed to take the AA sims and preserve the non profit status
[13:13] Patroklus Murakami: sol, i think we need some guarantees on that
[13:13] Pip Torok: All right. So let me ask a question to BOTH candidates. Will you support legislation that regulates the way the VDI will respect the CDS' decisions, and, if so, how will those be enforced?
[13:14] Rose Springvale: CDS doesn't have to have anything to do with VDI, so long as it has an organiztion that meets the requirements for LL
[13:14] Arria Perreault: who will represent VDI in the negociation?
[13:14] StuiChicanne Darkstone: bloody hell we have an echo
[13:14] Solomon Mosely: read the freaking docs pat
[13:14] Solomon Mosely: arent you supposed to be a lawyer?
[13:14] StuiChicanne Darkstone: or Gwyn is throwing her voice
[13:14] Rose Springvale: if they don't wish to make their own, then an operating agreement is an option
[13:14] Rose Springvale: but
[13:14] Arria Perreault: a contract need negociators
[13:14] Solomon Mosely: see, i know you're not really this stupid pat
[13:14] Solomon Mosely: i know you must have read them
[13:14] Patroklus Murakami: i've read em (no, i employ lawyers but i'm not one:-))
[13:14] Solomon Mosely: and this is just more of the same fear-mongering you tried last term
[13:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: please end discussion and start voting
[13:14] StuiChicanne Darkstone: ORDER !
[13:15] StuiChicanne Darkstone: ORDER !!
[13:15] StuiChicanne Darkstone: *wacks his toy gavel down on the desk
[13:15] Kaseido Quandry: I agree with muhammad - this is futile
[13:15] Pip Torok: then Sol, i'd hate to be you when you found out how things are ....
[13:15] Arria Perreault: Rose, I have a serious question for you
[13:15] Kaseido Quandry: we know how we're voting, let's get to it
[13:15] Rose Springvale: 5. A new nonprofit organization shall be established to be the sim holder of record, using two nominees from CDS and two nominees from AA as the nominal organizers, and the CDS chancellor (by virtue of office) as a presiding director [or manager, or such other similar arrangement as applicable local law may permit, in a nonprofit company form reasonably acceptable to AA management and the CDS government. That organization shall have the purpose of reporting to, taking direction from and managing for the benefit of the CDS government.
[13:15] Solomon Mosely: you'd be lucky
[13:15] Solomon Mosely: fig come
[13:15] Solomon Mosely: fig good
[13:15] Solomon Mosely: fig sit
[13:15] Rose Springvale: not sure how much clearer that can be gwyn
[13:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's too minimalistic
[13:16] Rose Springvale: but it is clear
[13:16] Patroklus Murakami: so why did you do nothing about this in the 11th RA Rose?
[13:16] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we have a member of the SC on the VDI
[13:16] Rose Springvale: nothing?
[13:16] Patroklus Murakami: and why did no one come with a proposal during the 12th?
[13:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: For instance, "managing for the benefit of the CDS government" might mean "sell everything in the CDS to Caledon for L$1" because it might be "for the benefit" of the CDS government doing so
[13:16] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think she'd be capable of making the point to the SC if anything was untoward ?
[13:17] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[13:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: n'est pas ?
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: well, gwyn, seems that if it's too minimalistic, RA can be more specific...but it sure does seem pretty specific to me regarding who "controls" VDI....
[13:17] Pip Torok notes article 5. particularly the conflict of interest with it for any LRA
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: and it's definitely not Rose...unless we elect her Chancellor.
[13:17] Rose Springvale: that would require a vote of the RA wouldn't it gwyn
[13:17] Solomon Mosely: wre any of you residents of cds when the merger was drafted?
[13:17] Arria Perreault: Cindy, the law must consider every potential case
[13:17] Patroklus Murakami: why not elect her empress and have done with it?
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can only hope so, Rose
[13:17] Solomon Mosely: and proposed to ra?
[13:17] Arria Perreault: not considering people
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh. I guess I'm used to 1000-page contracts with US companies A one-paragraph-agreement just scares me, sorry
[13:17] Delia Lake: yes, i was and am a cds resident
[13:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's irrational, I know.
[13:17] Cindy Ecksol: Arria, as we well know in real life, the law CANNOT consider every case.
[13:18] Rose Springvale: you need better lawyers
[13:18] Solomon Mosely: not you delia
[13:18] Cindy Ecksol: that is why we have Supreme Courts and SC's to make rulings
[13:18] Delia Lake: i have been a cds resident for 3.5 yrs
[13:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: perhaps, Rose I won't question that
[13:18] Rose Springvale: as have i
[13:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Why not let patty be a drama queen and we'll all bow on our knees to his oscar winning perfomance as the creator of the best overstatement of this term ?
[13:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: pfft
[13:18] Rose Springvale: can we please stop name calling?
[13:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: a queen would be much better than a princess
[13:18] Rose Springvale: we are adults. use your words!
[13:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: empress even
[13:19] Solomon Mosely: my point was, why the sudden questions? this has been planned for years now
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol loves the subtle digs...
[13:19] Rose Springvale: delia, i dont' have the rest of the day for this, can we call for vote?
[13:19] Delia Lake: i was just thinking about that.... let's all take a couple of minutes of silence
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol: I move to close discussion. can I have a second?
[13:19] Kaseido Quandry: second
[13:19] Patroklus Murakami: i just wonder why the supporters of merger did *nothing* about the non-profit last term... just sayin;
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol: whew!
[13:19] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of closing discussion?
[13:19] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[13:19] Cindy Ecksol: (say aye)
[13:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: aye
[13:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: aye
[13:20] Rose Springvale: aye
[13:20] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:20] Delia Lake: and review what each of the candidates for LRA said about their view of the job
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[13:20] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:20] Timo Gufler: aye
[13:20] Cindy Ecksol: I believe we have eight votes to close discussion
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: that was my first vote
[13:20] Tor Karlsvalt: yuo go fig
[13:20] Patroklus Murakami: aye to closing discussion
[13:20] Solomon Mosely: but we still vote here today, right?
[13:20] Cindy Ecksol: I move to vote on the RA selection. Second?
[13:21] Pip Torok: aye
[13:21] Arias Ahren: May I make one more statement?
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: sorry..LRA selection
[13:21] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:21] Patroklus Murakami: um cindy. not so fast
[13:21] Rose Springvale: no discussion closed
[13:21] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[13:21] Solomon Mosely: aye
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: um...Pat, discussion is closed.
[13:21] Timo Gufler: aye
[13:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Trust Tor to lose his voting virginity in something nothing to do with me... I feel like he cheated on me *LOL*
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: and we have a second for moving to a vote
[13:21] Patroklus Murakami: so, this is the new regime
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: coting now...
[13:21] Cindy Ecksol: voting now....
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt:
[13:21] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:21] Patroklus Murakami: aye, get on with it
[13:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hail. I mean, aye
[13:21] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: aye for voting now
[13:22] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[13:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: aye
[13:22] StuiChicanne Darkstone: AYE AYE AYE !!! *bangs his toy gavel*
[13:22] Solomon Mosely: aye
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: ok, one vote each....
[13:22] Patroklus Murakami thought delia was chairing the meeting....
[13:22] Solomon Mosely: you had your train wreck last term, its over
[13:22] Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of Arria say aye please?
[13:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: aye
[13:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[13:22] Pip Torok: aye
[13:22] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[13:22] Timo Gufler: aye!
[13:22] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:23] Cindy Ecksol: all in favor of rose say aye please?
[13:23] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[13:23] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:23] Solomon Mosely: aye for rose
[13:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: AYE !!!
[13:23] Tor Karlsvalt: aye for Rose
[13:23] Cindy Ecksol: aye for rose
[13:23] Rose Springvale: aye
[13:23] Solomon Mosely: fig, you're not ra, hush
[13:23] Kaseido Quandry:
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[13:24] Arria Perreault: 6 to 7, I bet it will be the result for all votes during this term ...
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: probably not
[13:24] Rose Springvale: i hope not Arria
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: not everyone has voted....
[13:24] Solomon Mosely: welcome to politics
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: rose?
[13:24] Delia Lake: 6 for Arria, 7 for Rose
[13:24] Kaseido Quandry: rose voted
[13:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Rose voted
[13:24] Cindy Ecksol: ah, ok, I missed it.
[13:24] Delia Lake: yes everyone voted
[13:24] Tor Karlsvalt: lilith?
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: I voted for Rose
[13:24] Lilith Ivory: go figure
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
[13:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:24] Rose Springvale: thank you all for your support. I look forward to working with all of you
[13:25] Cindy Ecksol: congratulations madame LRA....
[13:25] Kaseido Quandry cheers
[13:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: congrats, Rose
[13:25] Arria Perreault: all?
[13:25] Delia Lake: Congratulations, Rose
[13:25] Rose Springvale: yes arria, all.
[13:25] mathiew Glenwalker: congrats rose
[13:25] Lilith Ivory: congratulations Rose
[13:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yay
[13:25] Rose Springvale: thanks
[13:25] Rose Springvale: i have a notecard
[13:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: congratulations!!
[13:25] Arria Perreault: did you see my first list of proposals in the forum?
[13:25] Rose Springvale: of the issues that we need to deal with this term
[13:25] Patroklus Murakami: congratulations rose
[13:25] Rose Springvale: and proposed timelines
[13:25] Rose Springvale: i''ll send a copy to each member of the RA
[13:25] Arria Perreault: congratulations, of course. I am fair
[13:26] Rose Springvale: and ask you to add to or comment, and let me know what areays you want to work on
[13:26] Rose Springvale: hang on, if you will
[13:26] Arria Perreault: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2894
[13:27] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[13:27] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Rosy I kept it warm
[13:27] Cindy Ecksol: nice job, stui!
[13:27] StuiChicanne Darkstone: all my leaping up and down
[13:27] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and I patted the cushion
[13:28] Rose Springvale: i'll send a notice around on the first meeting, at which point we will elect a chancellor, and discuss the plan for the term
[13:28] Timo Gufler accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Patroklus Murakami accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] StuiChicanne Darkstone accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Cindy Ecksol accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Tor Karlsvalt accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] muhammedyussif Wikinger accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Pip Torok accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Kaseido Quandry accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Rose Springvale: if you've not posted your availabitliy on the forums, please do so, or send me a note or im
[13:28] Solomon Mosely accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] Lilith Ivory accepted your inventory offer.
[13:28] StuiChicanne Darkstone: whoa it's like war and peace
[13:29] Rose Springvale: thank you Delia and the SC for faciliitating the new term
[13:29] Rose Springvale: yes, stui, there is a lot to do
[13:29] Rose Springvale: hopefully we won't hav etime to bicker
[13:29] fig whispers: Noticed CDS_NewPraetorium_l
[13:29] StuiChicanne Darkstone: damn I'll miss that *looks up at the ceiling*
[13:30] Rose Springvale: hehe
[13:30] Rose Springvale: if there is nothing further, lets adjourn
[13:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[13:30] Rose Springvale: all in favor?
[13:30] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[13:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[13:30] muhammedyussif Wikinger: aye
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:30] Solomon Mosely: aye
[13:30] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[13:30] Timo Gufler: aye
[13:30] Lilith Ivory: when do we have a party?
[13:30] Arria Perreault: aye
[13:31] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[13:31] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[13:31] Arria Perreault: I think Sonja has started to organizing it
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: ah great
[13:31] Solomon Mosely: lol
[13:31] Solomon Mosely: should we ask the pio from last term
[13:31] Kaseido Quandry snickers
[13:31] Rose Springvale: we are adjourned, ending record