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It's coming up to 24 hours before Saint Valentine's starts ....
Here's my proposal :
That throughout Saint Valentine's Day, from midnight to midnight, every citizen with a grudge against any other citizen take down the bans, mutings, etc. against them, and desist from disparaging.
Can we do it? Can we put aside our self-imposed woes for this short time?
Let's try.
Those whose blood is up could always "smite the good smite with all their might" once it's over.
Enjoy the day,
Pip Turk
Pip,
What a nice idea!
It it is good to hear you ask for this sort of peace and requesting that people not ban and mute and ignore other people.
Perhaps you and I can have a conversation about your issues. I will IM you in-world.
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Your request reminded me of Jesus saying : "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." During the Sermon on the Mount.
from the King James Bible
The Sermon on the Mount
1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
The Beatitudes
(Psalm 1:1-6; Luke 6:20-23)
3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
cleopatraxigalia wrote:Pip,
What a nice idea!
It it is good to hear you ask for this sort of peace and requesting that people not ban and mute and ignore other people.
Perhaps you and I can have a conversation about your issues. I will IM you in-world.
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If my calculations are right, CLEO, we're into that period now (it's 22.00 GMT)
Readers, what bought this to mind was that extraordinary episode during the first Christmas of 1914, when German and English troops lay down their arms, crossed into each others' lines, and celebrated together ... including a joint singsong and a football match, as I understood it. Followed next day of course by business as usual, ie their collective self-slaughter on the battle-field.
So, at the risk of sounding churlish, I'll reply that, although I'll listen to words, it's deeds that impress me.
Pip Torok
Pip Torok wrote:.
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It's coming up to 24 hours before Saint Valentine's starts ....Here's my proposal :
That throughout Saint Valentine's Day, from midnight to midnight, every citizen with a grudge against any other citizen take down the bans, mutings, etc. against them, and desist from disparaging.
Can we do it? Can we put aside our self-imposed woes for this short time?
Let's try.
Those whose blood is up could always "smite the good smite with all their might" once it's over.
I will do this. Please, no "smite" afterwards. "We are just people trying to make our way". We have no idea what others are going through unless we have the chance to get to know them. I think people are basically "good" and need acceptance.
Pip, I back your proposal. ~cheers~Enjoy the day,
Pip Turk
These forums are hard to follow. Having said that, I agree with Pip and did as he asked. He are only people trying to "make our way through this life". We don't know other people situations until we get the chance to know them. I do think people are basically "good" and just want acceptance. ~Cheers~ to you Pip. Happy Valentine's Day to all.
BUILDING BRIDGES
I totally agree Abby.
Pip and I spent quite a long while chatting last night. First time in years. It was really nice and good to catch up with him. I assure you we had not had a conversation that pleasant in a long, long time. I hope our truce goes well beyond a one day thing and that we can continue to talk and find "common ground". And agree to disagree when that occurs. We found out that we both very much want the best for CDS. One thing we found out in particular was that we both think that CDS would benefit from having a new sim soon.
Of course, Pip and I still don't agree on everything, nor do we have the same ideas about everything. But two people from very different walks of life, cultures and mindsets with a history... CAN find ways to build bridges.
Thank you for saying YES Pip.
Cleo <3
cleopatraxigalia wrote:BUILDING BRIDGES
I totally agree Abby.
Pip and I spent quite a long while chatting last night. First time in years. It was really nice and good to catch up with him. I assure you we had not had a conversation that pleasant in a long, long time. I hope our truce goes well beyond a one day thing and that we can continue to talk and find "common ground". And agree to disagree when that occurs. We found out that we both very much want the best for CDS. One thing we found out in particular was that we both think that CDS would benefit from having a new sim soon.
Of course, Pip and I still don't agree on everything, nor do we have the same ideas about everything. But two people from very different walks of life, cultures and mindsets with a history... CAN find ways to build bridges.
Thank you for saying YES Pip.
Cleo <3
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For the record, CLEO and readers, I saw things rather differently ... like this in fact :
She asked if we could talk, and I invited her to 1160 Gwynethstrasse, my very first SL home. I declined her TP-offer to somewhere of her choosing. Office-politicians will know how important a locale can be for any meeting.
I had in mind a sounding-out of her thinking, and to see whether a meeting of minds was even remotely possible. I succeeded in learning of her basic resentments towards me, towards others, and what she felt entitled to. What she heard from me is what she (and you, readers) have heard me say in public before, and nothing besides. I have the transcript to our conversation safe, and I expect she has too. I'm happy to talk in confidence to anyone about it.
I won't go further into it at this point, except to point out two things : first, that no-one was betrayed, and no confidences were broken; second, that this is not a truce, if fact, no more than a cease-fire at best.
Though we talked in a reasonably civilised way (by dint of us ignoring harsh things said on both sides), there was no meeting of minds. I'm just glad I hadn't been seriously expecting any.
One thing I do agree on (besides the new sim) is that there are cultural differences that can lead to misunderstanding. At the time, though, I didn't point out to her that those differences don't account for the deep contempt towards her that so many of her "country-men" feel ...
I know the reaction to my original proposal was mixed, and I thank those who chose to take it up.
Enjoy the rest of this day, folks
Pip Torok
Pip.
I'm happy for you to share YOUR SIDE OF the convo chat log,
AND I will share MINE.. only here on the forums...NOT inworld... PLEASE update your copy of my post you did not understand..
I am sorry you were not sincere in your offer of a truce. I was and have been since you started all this stuff cleo.
Chat log ????? I'm game
cleopatraxigalia wrote:Pip. I'm happy to share the convo chat log. How about you?
Chat log ????? I'm game
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I take it that you do not mind who I send the chat log to, then.
In it, there is a 10-line patch with a passage you wished me to keep to myself, which was about RL and had nothing to do with CDS, nor with any past or present citizen. I'll replace them with dots ......................
If you would like a copy, please IM me.
Pip Torok
NO PIP I am not giving you permission to pass my chat inworld
I am saying for you to post YOUR side of the chat
and I will post MINE on these forums ONLY >
got it ?
YOU do NOT have my permission to pass chat logs inworld.
YOU have permission to post YOUR side of the chat ..
I will post MY side.. then we BOTH know that the side of the chat we post is correct ..
CLEO
Pip it seems you called a truce for 24 hours and were unable to keep that truce. Perhaps it goes better next time, hope you had a nice valentines day.
cleopatraxigalia wrote:Pip it seems you called a truce for 24 hours and were unable to keep that truce. Perhaps it goes better next time, hope you had a nice valentines day.
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CLEOPATRA,
With anyone else, I'd have been surprised at your sudden retreat from open publication of what we said. As you, I and every concerned reader knows, your inane ploy ("you publish your side, and I might publish mine") is so much eyewash. Who'd spend 2-3 tedious hours trying to re-collate them? I wouldn't. No, it's your whitened-sepulcre form of a censor's gag. Everyone will see which of us is willing to publish the transcript, and which of us is anxious to hide it.
Now for the truce. At the head of this thread, you'll see that my proposed truce was for all citizens, the punishers, the punished and the bystanders, for 24 hours only. The bystanders would simply have benefitted. It was far more than simply for thee and me, for some indefinite time. I noticed also that, during it, you unbanned me alone (no other citizen) on some properties only , leaving others intact. So your grand words in this thread were just that .... words. I doubt anyone was surprised.
As an aside, that spotty selection of temporary unbanning confirms to me one thing : that your thinking is totally in non-collective terms of individual foes or "friends", never in terms of any sort of sincerely-cooperating community (yes readers, the chances of you ever seeing CLEO's side of the text has now died!) To sum up, I unmuted for those 24 hours, and would have freed any bans, had I any bans to unban, so I most certainly kept the truce. Your assertion that I "was unable to keep" it flies in the face of truth.
Did I have a nice Valentine day? Thank you, I had a far nicer one than several thousands around me, courtesy of the massive storm and the onslaught of the recent floods .... oh dear! I've caught myself think communally, collectively even! What a socialist I must be! 
"Life is mostly froth and bubble
Two things stand like stone
Kindness in another's trouble
Courage in one's own.
-- Adam Lindsay Gordon"
Pip Torok