RA meeting Transcript 27 August, 2016

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RA meeting Transcript 27 August, 2016

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[12:14] Leslie Allandale: I move we approve the agenda
[12:14] Tanoujin Milestone: do we have a second?
[12:15] Tanoujin Milestone: i think i can second that myself
[12:15] Tanoujin Milestone: so: second
[12:15] Leslie Allandale: We are pretty lax, so do it yourself
[12:15] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please
[12:15] Leslie Allandale: aye
[12:15] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[12:15] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Aye
[12:16] Tanoujin Milestone: wonderful, Agenda is approved
[12:16] Leslie Allandale: We have a short transcript, but no minutes
[12:16] Tanoujin Milestone: now let us review the minutes of the last meeting
[12:16] Tanoujin Milestone: oh.
[12:16] Leslie Allandale: Han posted it, but didn't edit it
[12:16] Tanoujin Milestone: how comes?
[12:16] Tanoujin Milestone: i note we have no minutes
[12:17] Tanoujin Milestone: tztztz
[12:17] Leslie Allandale: I will consolidate the transcript for next meeting
[12:17] Tanoujin Milestone: so we have to skip it
[12:17] Leslie Allandale: I so move
[12:17] Tanoujin Milestone: we should have a wword with the archivist ;)
[12:17] Leslie Allandale: :(
[12:18] Tanoujin Milestone: can i have a second?
[12:18] Leslie Allandale: Perhaps Em is multi-tasking
[12:18] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): You are welcome
[12:19] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Yes- I am multitasking, and I am no good at it at all
[12:19] Tanoujin Milestone: Motion is to skip appproval of the previous meeting's minutes
[12:19] Tanoujin Milestone: so vote
[12:19] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I second
[12:19] Leslie Allandale: aye
[12:19] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[12:19] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Aye
[12:20] Leslie Allandale: I move we table language discussion until we have Ranma and Han
[12:20] Tanoujin Milestone: regarding the proposal to clarify language of the meeting procedures?
[12:20] Leslie Allandale: Yes, please
[12:20] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, nice, i second that
[12:20] Tanoujin Milestone: please vote
[12:20] Leslie Allandale: aye
[12:21] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[12:21] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Aye
[12:21] Tanoujin Milestone looks out for the chancellor
[12:21] Leslie Allandale: Since Rosie isn't here, is there anyone to step in for her?
[12:21] Lilith Ivory: Rosie is out of town this weekend
[12:21] Tanoujin Milestone: I see
[12:21] Tanoujin Milestone: we have to skip that too
[12:22] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): We do
[12:22] Tanoujin Milestone: shall we vote on it, or is it obvious=?
[12:22] Leslie Allandale: i move
[12:22] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I think we could call it obvious :)
[12:22] Leslie Allandale: to skip to Citizens Concerns
[12:22] Tanoujin Milestone: fine then, Citizen Concerns
[12:22] Leslie Allandale: just to be clear
[12:22] Leslie Allandale: kk
[12:23] Tanoujin Milestone zooms to the speakers stick
[12:23] Tanoujin Milestone: anything, dear fellows?
[12:23] Leslie Allandale: Not from this rep
[12:24] Widget Whiteberry waits for new business
[12:24] Tanoujin Milestone: RA members concerns. I have a little one
[12:24] Leslie Allandale: listens
[12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: I want to bring to your notice that we should make sure the update of NL7-1 is on the agenda of the next meeting. We have a discussion in the pipeline on hte forums
[12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: thats all for the moment
[12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: comments?
[12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: okay
[12:25] Leslie Allandale: I agree that anything we can put to rest is appropriate
[12:25] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): Then one of you guys needs to make sure the LRA adds it
[12:25] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, Calli?
[12:26] Widget Whiteberry: NL 7-1 ... can we have the name of NL 7-1 for the record?
[12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: (I tried that, Coop, to no avail)
[12:26] Leslie Allandale: ty Calli
[12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: it is the Governement question hour act
[12:26] Widget Whiteberry grins
[12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: Calli?
[12:26] Callipygian Christensen: Just out of interest - you opted to go ahead with the meeting, and are quorate - is there a reason for delaying that discussion of the question hour law?
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: it has not been added on the agenda by the LRA
[12:27] Tanoujin Milestone: it is not on the agenda, Ranma and Han are not here
[12:27] Leslie Allandale: Is it old business?
[12:27] Tanoujin Milestone: i tried to have it added to the agenda but did not reach the LRA
[12:27] Tanoujin Milestone: no, it is a new proposal
[12:28] Tanoujin Milestone: we can discuss it, if you want
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: ah ok..thankyou
[12:28] Callipygian Christensen: I misread the agenda between bites of fritatta :)
[12:28] Leslie Allandale: the proposal may be new, but it must have been discussed at a previous meeting
[12:28] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Lol
[12:28] Tanoujin Milestone: lol, good appetite!
[12:29] Leslie Allandale: Do we have a link to the text of the new proposal?
[12:29] Tanoujin Milestone: Leslie? How do you mena?
[12:29] Tanoujin Milestone: moment
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 0&start=30
[12:29] Tanoujin Milestone: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 0&start=30
[12:29] Leslie Allandale: If it was discussed previously, and tabled, then it might be old business
[12:29] Leslie Allandale: Even if the proposal is new
[12:29] Callipygian Christensen: If it is not on the agenda, it's quite correct not to address it- I take back mah question :)
[12:30] Tanoujin Milestone: not as far as i know, Leslie. Rosie brought it up inbetween the RA meetings
[12:30] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Maybe "old" and "new" business is not enough... we need "current" business
[12:30] Leslie Allandale: Okay then. I will read the link for next meeting and ask that it be on the agenda
[12:30] Tanoujin Milestone: great, thank you
[12:31] Tanoujin Milestone: so we are at the new business, Discussion on change the costs of prims in Friedsee
[12:31] Leslie Allandale: Yay
[12:31] Tanoujin Milestone: Coop, you are on the list?
[12:31] Leslie Allandale: My support of the change is a reply on the forum
[12:31] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): Not now, I'm off
[12:32] Tanoujin Milestone: okay.
[12:32] Tanoujin Milestone: we arre asked to approve a rise in cost per prim on friedsee
[12:32] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I so move
[12:32] Tai'lahr (tailahr.winnikow) is online.
[12:32] Leslie Allandale: I second
[12:32] Tanoujin Milestone: Delia wrote a nice comment on the forums...
[12:32] Tanoujin Milestone: wait, we have to state what we vote on
[12:33] Leslie Allandale: do you have the text, widget?
[12:33] Leslie Allandale: Or Delia?
[12:33] Widget Whiteberry: I do
[12:33] Leslie Allandale: can you state it for the record
[12:33] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I move that the RA approves the rise in prim price in Friedsee
[12:33] Widget Whiteberry: Recommendation: raise the per prim cost for private plots to $0.0395 US, up from $0.0277 US

Here’s background

When the RA instructed the Estate Owner to request that LL downgrade Friedsee from a full region to a homestead the region, changes occurred immediately. As a full region, Friedsee was allotted 15000 prims by LL; as a homestead, the total prim allotment became 3750, only ¼ of what the region previously had. In addition to providing fewer prims for homesteads, LL also charges the region owner a higher rate per prim than they charge owners of full regions. So the net is we have fewer prims available on Friedsee now and although the total cost we pay LL is now $95 per month, down from $295 per month, as these numbers show, we pay LL more per prim.

Why request an increase to $0.0395?

The redesign of Friedsee has 3114 prims out of the 3750 designated for private plots, leaving only 636 for public lands, fewer public prims than on any other CDS region. If we were to sell all 3114 private prims at
[12:33] Widget Whiteberry: 0.0277, it would bring in only $89 US, $6 short of the amount due each month to LL for Friedsee. At this charge per prim it is impossible for Friedsee to carry itself even if it were always at full occupancy.

$0.0395 US represents an amount per prim that enables Friedsee to pay for itself at an occupancy rate of 77%, in keeping with occupancy decisions that have been made in the past regarding other CDS regions.

Further discussion regarding this recommendation is in the LUC transcript of 17 July 2016 meeting.
viewtopic.php?f=67&t=7655
[12:33] Tanoujin Milestone: would you proceed, Widget?
[12:33] Tanoujin Milestone: thanks
[12:33] Leslie Allandale: It has been moved and seconded
[12:34] Leslie Allandale: may I call the question?
[12:34] Tanoujin Milestone: motion is to raise the per prim cost for private plots to $0.0395 US. Vote please
[12:34] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Aye
[12:34] Tanoujin Milestone: Aye
[12:34] Leslie Allandale: aye
[12:34] Tanoujin Milestone: Motion carries, thank you
[12:35] Tanoujin Milestone: do we have any general announcements?
[12:35] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): None from me
[12:35] Tanoujin Milestone: fine. When shall we meet again?
[12:35] Leslie Allandale: If people want topics added to the agenda, I will collect them and forward them to the RA
[12:36] Leslie Allandale: We need to meet to approve the covenants to Friedsee.
[12:36] Leslie Allandale: So sooner the better
[12:36] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): How about the 24th of September?
[12:37] Tanoujin Milestone: works for me
[12:37] Tanoujin Milestone: Les?
[12:37] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Do you think it is too long time, Leslie?
[12:37] Leslie Allandale: Yes, but can we rent plots before then?
[12:38] Tanoujin Milestone: on Friedsee?
[12:38] Leslie Allandale: It is okay for me, but I don't want to loose lindens just because we don't approve the covenant
[12:38] Tanoujin Milestone: ahh! The covenant!
[12:38] Leslie Allandale: Yes, Rosie says we need to approve the new covenants
[12:38] Widget Whiteberry raises her hand
[12:39] Leslie Allandale: I am just wording them, but started to late for this meeting
[12:39] Tanoujin Milestone: Delia, Widget, what does the LUC say? Do we need a meeting sooner?
[12:39] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): It is not on the AGenda today :(
[12:39] Leslie Allandale: I am sorry, but I was just given the job
[12:39] Tanoujin Milestone: Ah, sorry, Les, you are on the LUC, i forgot, excuse me
[12:39] Leslie Allandale: :( whah
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[12:39] Widget Whiteberry: Might covenants be dealt with on the Forum?
[12:39] Tanoujin Milestone: so we meet earlier of course
[12:39] Leslie Allandale: It is a matter for Rosie
[12:39] Leslie Allandale: And she wants RA approval
[12:40] Widget Whiteberry: duh, right
[12:40] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): NextSaturday?
[12:40] Delia Lake raises her hand
[12:40] Leslie Allandale: So I am wording the covenants to present to her
[12:40] Tanoujin Milestone: 10th of september then?
[12:40] Leslie Allandale: I have already had most of it discussed most of it with her
[12:40] Leslie Allandale: yes
[12:40] Leslie Allandale: that is good for me
[12:40] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): OK
[12:40] Delia Lake waves her hand
[12:41] Leslie Allandale: I will try to get with Ranma to make it brief
[12:41] Leslie Allandale: Ms, Lake?
[12:41] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, Delia
[12:41] Delia Lake: The modification to the covanant doesn't change the theme of Friedsee
[12:41] Delia Lake: it changes the land use
[12:42] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Private vs commercial?
[12:42] Delia Lake: the matter of land use falls within the purview of the Chancellor
[12:42] Tanoujin Milestone: ah, ic
[12:42] Leslie Allandale: I agree, but I give the covenant to Rosie, who asked for the changes, and she is the one who wants to present it to the RA
[12:42] Tanoujin Milestone: you mean there is no RA approval needed?
[12:42] Delia Lake: the theme falls within the purview of the RA. the theme remains Central European Apine
[12:43] Delia Lake: the RA should certainly be informed of Covenant changes
[12:43] Leslie Allandale: It is still not on the agenda
[12:43] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): And what are the suggested changes in land use?
[12:43] Delia Lake: but this is a modification of an approved covenant that does not change its theme
[12:43] Leslie Allandale: So, if Rosie wants to proceed, it is up to her.
[12:44] Delia Lake: that there is no longer commercial use of land on Friedsee
[12:44] Tanoujin Milestone nods
[12:44] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I see
[12:44] Tanoujin Milestone: nevertheless - it would not harm to meet earlier to have it presented
[12:44] Leslie Allandale: If Delia is right, we don't need to meet on the 10th, and can move to the 24th
[12:44] Leslie Allandale: If it is okay with you two
[12:44] Tanoujin Milestone: either way is fine for me
[12:44] Delia Lake: if it were to be changed to be a futuristic space station in theme the RA would need to vote the change
[12:44] Widget Whiteberry: I expect Rosie to present to the RA, but it's part of the Chancellor's report.....
[12:45] Delia Lake: but this is land use changes within theme
[12:45] Leslie Allandale: Em, is 10th a hardship for you?
[12:45] Tanoujin Milestone: i see your point . Delia
[12:45] Delia Lake: so it isn't really necessary for the RA to vote on this
[12:45] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): No, the 10th is fine
[12:45] Tanoujin Milestone: fine, I move we meet again on 10th of september at noon here in the praetorium
[12:45] Leslie Allandale: second
[12:46] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please
[12:46] Leslie Allandale: aye
[12:46] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Aye
[12:46] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[12:46] Leslie Allandale: Thank you Tanoujin
[12:46] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): the sane time as usual?
[12:46] Tanoujin Milestone: at noon, yes
[12:46] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): same time
[12:46] Leslie Allandale: yes
[12:46] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Good
[12:46] Leslie Allandale: I move we adjourn
[12:46] Tanoujin Milestone: second
[12:46] Leslie Allandale: aye
[12:46] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I second
[12:46] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please
[12:46] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Aye
[12:46] Tanoujin Milestone: aye

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