Transcript - RA Meeting - August 6, 2017

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Transcript - RA Meeting - August 6, 2017

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[11:59] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Since we're all here and we are in fact quorate, let's get started.
[11:59] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Is there a motion to approve the agenda?
[11:59] Sylvia Tamalyn: so moved
[12:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Second?
[12:00] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): second
[12:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): LEt's vote
[12:00] Sylvia Tamalyn: aye
[12:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Aye
[12:00] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): aye
[12:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Tan?
[12:00] Sylvia Tamalyn: Tan is afk
[12:00] Sylvia Tamalyn: (RL emergency)
[12:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Ah, ok
[12:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Well, motion passes
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Motion to approve the minutes?
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): They can be found here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8175
[12:01] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): So moved
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Second?
[12:01] Sylvia Tamalyn: second
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's vote.
[12:01] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Aye
[12:01] Sylvia Tamalyn: aye
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Aye
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Motion passes.
[12:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The Chancellor is NOT present, so there is no report.
[12:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Is there anything to be report from the LUC?
[12:02] Sylvia Tamalyn: LUC has not met
[12:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) sighs.
[12:02] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[12:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Rosie?
[12:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Remember we have that handy talking stick, too ㋡
[12:03] Rosie Gray: Sylvia is correct that the LUC hasn't met, but I did do the second part of the test for prim shifting
[12:03] Rosie Gray: not sure if that goes under LUC or not, but thought I'd report on it
[12:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) stares at it for the rest of the meeting.
[12:03] Rosie Gray: lol
[12:03] Tanoujin Milestone raises a hand
[12:03] Sylvia Tamalyn: we also have it under old business on the agenda
[12:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Could you report on it at 4a on the agenda, please?
[12:03] Rosie Gray: oh okay, then I'll wait
[12:03] Rosie Gray: done
[12:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Thank you ㋡
[12:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Tan?
[12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: I amm sorry, I have an emergency with a rabbit under shock
[12:04] Sylvia Tamalyn: :(
[12:04] Rosie Gray: :(
[12:04] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) frowns
[12:04] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Hi Almut
[12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: We have to depart tpoo the vet immediately. Please grant me a 7 day vote and excuse me for this meeting
[12:04] Rosie Gray: hi Almut
[12:04] Almut Brunswick: Hello everybody
[12:04] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Of course, Tan!
[12:04] Rosie Gray: take care Tan
[12:04] Rosie Gray: bye
[12:04] Sylvia Tamalyn: take care, tan, and good luck!
[12:04] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Go save a life!
[12:04] Drewski Northman: good luck with the rabbit, Tan. TC
[12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you, bye
[12:04] Pip Torok: hi Almut
[12:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) says a few mantras.
[12:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Hi Almut ㋡
[12:05] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Sorry for you problem, Tan. Send the rabbit my regards
[12:05] Sylvia Tamalyn: hi almut
[12:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Are there any citizens' concerns?
[12:05] Drewski Northman: welcome, Almut and Shep
[12:05] Sylvia Tamalyn: hi shep
[12:05] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Hello Shep!
[12:05] Pip Torok: hi (again) Shep!
[12:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Hi Shep ㋡
[12:05] Rosie Gray: hi Shep!
[12:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): (Thank you, Tan).
[12:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Are there any citizens' concern?
[12:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): *concerns
[12:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): If not, then are there any RA members' concerns?
[12:06] Shep (Shep Titian): Hi folks
[12:06] Sylvia Tamalyn: none from me
[12:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): None here
[12:07] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): I have none today
[12:07] Almut Brunswick: I would have a question, if this is allowed
[12:07] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Sure, Almut, what is your question?
[12:08] Almut Brunswick: As you know, Tor Karlsvalt granted me to run a small store at Neufreistadt. Albeit...I haven't seen him for a while
[12:08] Almut Brunswick: Do you have any sign of life from him?
[12:08] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I can confirm that he liked one of my photos on Facebook yesterday
[12:09] Sylvia Tamalyn laughs
[12:09] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): BUT, I have not seen him in world for some time!
[12:09] Rosie Gray: he is alive and well in RL
[12:09] Almut Brunswick: Ah, so he is still amongst us :D
[12:09] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): He is alive!
[12:09] Drewski Northman: alive and liking!
[12:09] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Just terribly busy and inactive in world ATM
[12:09] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Alive AND well! That's a relief...
[12:09] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I can send him a message
[12:10] Almut Brunswick: That#s good news. I just would be sure that the store tier is paid
[12:10] Almut Brunswick: would like to be sure*
[12:10] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let me reach out to him, since we are all wondering what he's up to...
[12:10] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I can speak to you afterwards, Almut ㋡
[12:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Are you done?
[12:11] Almut Brunswick: Yes ok, thank you
[12:11] Almut Brunswick: Nods
[12:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Thank you!
[12:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Now, Rosie!
[12:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Could you give us that report, please. ㋡
[12:11] Rosie Gray: ah
[12:11] Rosie Gray: sure
[12:12] Rosie Gray: so of course it wasnt' quite as straight forward as would appear
[12:12] Rosie Gray: here is the process:
[12:12] Rosie Gray: 1) get the parts of the building that were no modify from Sudane
[12:12] Rosie Gray: 2) take it all to a sandbox, rework some of the walls etc. to link it all together
[12:13] Rosie Gray: 3) mess around with it quite a bit because of the 'too far apart to link' message
[12:13] Rosie Gray: when trying to add an anchor prim
[12:13] Rosie Gray: come back and replace it on the parcel
[12:13] Sylvia Tamalyn: hi sudane :)
[12:13] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Hi Sudane ㋡
[12:14] Rosie Gray: mess around with it some more to make sure it was in the correct spot
[12:14] Sudane Erato: hii hi :)
[12:14] Rosie Gray: hi Sudane ㋡
[12:14] Rosie Gray: so, all in all it took about 2 hours to do
[12:14] Rosie Gray: but it's done ㋡
[12:14] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden) is beginning to get a vivid picture of the problem
[12:14] Drewski Northman: that's the village area in LA, correct?
[12:14] Rosie Gray: the lesson for me in doing that building, and in doing the mews
[12:14] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Hello Sudane :)
[12:14] Rosie Gray: is that it all will take much longer than one imagines
[12:14] Sudane Erato: hi :)
[12:15] Rosie Gray: and each building will likely have its own challenges
[12:15] Rosie Gray: that's about it
[12:15] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) nods.
[12:15] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Thank you, Rosie.
[12:15] Sylvia Tamalyn: what building was that?
[12:15] Rosie Gray: Sudane's building on the pier, in LA
[12:16] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): On the Quay
[12:16] Sylvia Tamalyn: thanks :) (i hate that "too far apart" message)
[12:16] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Do you need our authorisation or anything else from us to continue your work?
[12:16] Rosie Gray: I am not sure which other ones you want to proceed with
[12:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Do you think it would be possible to proceed with some of the parcels on the Platz?
[12:17] Rosie Gray: probably some of them
[12:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) nods.
[12:17] Rosie Gray: the ones that I have permissions on the buildings, and if the parcels are open for group objects to 'enter'
[12:18] Rosie Gray: the issue is that in order to do the buildings, I have to either own them, or be able to link them to something on the common lands that is owned by someone else that I can also manage
[12:18] Rosie Gray: do you want me to have a go at the platz parcels then?
[12:19] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Well, let's see what others think. Sylvia?
[12:19] Sudane Erato: does that mean that we will require certain buildings stay on their Platz parcels?
[12:19] Sylvia Tamalyn: thanks, gaius. rosie, i'm wondering what order makes the most sense to you, since you are the one doing it. would it be better to be orderly and move to the fishing village next?
[12:19] Sudane Erato: no discretion of owner to change?
[12:20] Rosie Gray: that's a good question, since right now they only have to be approved by the Chancellor, they don't have to actually be the exact buildings
[12:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): One question at a time!
[12:20] Sudane Erato: sorry :(
[12:20] Rosie Gray: it would require a change to the covenants
[12:20] Sylvia Tamalyn: rosie did you see my question? :)
[12:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Which question are you referring to, Rosie?
[12:21] Rosie Gray: the covenants on the NFS platz
[12:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Are you referring to Sylvia's question or Sudane's?
[12:21] Rosie Gray: I was referring to Sudane's question
[12:22] Rosie Gray: sorry
[12:22] Sylvia Tamalyn: let's try this again
[12:22] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Ah, ok
[12:22] Sylvia Tamalyn: [12:19] Sylvia Tamalyn: thanks, gaius. rosie, i'm wondering what order makes the most sense to you, since you are the one doing it. would it be better to be orderly and move to the fishing village next?
[12:22] Rosie Gray: I'm not sure
[12:23] Rosie Gray: one issue that was raised by Sudane, was about the LI effects
[12:23] Rosie Gray: if we do all of the prims indicated on the sheet, on LA
[12:23] Rosie Gray: perhaps Sudane would like to comment?
[12:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Sudane?
[12:24] Sudane Erato: There are simply not enough public prims available in LA... even now
[12:24] Sudane Erato: there are basically zero available now
[12:25] Rosie Gray: you mean though, if all of the parcels were occupied... right?
[12:25] Sudane Erato: since the existing public prim usage, plus the new builds linked by Rosie to public land, take them all up
[12:25] Sudane Erato: yes, correct
[12:25] Sudane Erato: but... we MUST assume that the parcels might someday be occupied
[12:25] Rosie Gray nods
[12:25] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) nods.
[12:25] Rosie Gray: and in fact tow of the larger ones have become occupied recently
[12:25] Rosie Gray: two*
[12:25] Sudane Erato: we can use potentially private parcel prims for temp events
[12:26] Sudane Erato: but
[12:26] Sudane Erato: not for permanent arrangements
[12:26] Sylvia Tamalyn: is any area ready to proceed?
[12:26] Sudane Erato: so right now... there are almost zero LI/prims available there
[12:26] Rosie Gray: out of the ones on the list, probably the NFS platz
[12:27] Rosie Gray: but it would require an update to the covenants
[12:27] Rosie Gray: and, probably a review of the buildings themselves, and updating of some of them
[12:27] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Since people can currently replace buildings there, Rosie?
[12:27] Sylvia Tamalyn: it sounds like, and correct me if i am wrong, that further study is needed to go ahead with NFS?
[12:28] Rosie Gray: yes Gaius
[12:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Ah, sorry, this is still sylvia's time.
[12:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): TY
[12:29] Sylvia Tamalyn: well, i think the answer to my question is "we're not sure" so i am done for this question
[12:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Rosie, would you be willing to work with me and possibly a few others to help you do a more detailed analysis?
[12:30] Rosie Gray: sure ㋡
[12:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): That was we can move forward with our heads above the sand. ㋡
[12:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's proceed to new business, then.
[12:31] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Many of us and many citizens have recently voiced their opposition to the fact we did not have an inaugural ball.
[12:32] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Since many consider this a grave lapse in the CDS's government's prerogative and traditions (and indeed it is!), some have come up with the wonderful idea to put on a ball in its place.
[12:32] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Rosie, are you still willing as PIO to help put on this ball?
[12:32] Rosie Gray: yes of course!
[12:33] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Do you have any suggestions for a theme?
[12:34] Rosie Gray: well, we discussed Summer Anzere Ball
[12:34] Rosie Gray: or Anzere Summer Ball
[12:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I like the oxymoronic twist
[12:35] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): This ball is also needed to award the Order of Anzere and bestow it upon last term's recipients
[12:35] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden) is looking for an english-Swedish dictionary
[12:35] Sylvia Tamalyn: is this still considered the inaugural ball?
[12:36] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Rosie and I had thought that the occasion for the inaugural ball is too far gone, since we are now about three months, or half way, through the term
[12:36] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): But it will be a state function, we thought, to make up for the fact we did not have an inaugural ball
[12:37] Sylvia Tamalyn: well... i believe the topic that was posted for discussion in the forums was for an inaugural ball. it has been my concern all along that we have one, no matter how late
[12:37] Sylvia Tamalyn: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8181
[12:38] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I believe we can still recognise the members of the RA at this ball, as well, and incorporate elemtns of an inaugural ball into this prposal.
[12:38] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Hi Calli
[12:38] Pip Torok: hi Calli
[12:38] Sylvia Tamalyn: hi calli, just in time
[12:38] Rosie Gray: hi Calli
[12:38] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Hello Cali
[12:39] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The need for the RA, however, as I understand, is to authorise the money associated with the ball.
[12:40] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): How much money do you suspect it will cost, Rosie?
[12:40] Rosie Gray: just the expense of the DJ, Gaius
[12:40] Rosie Gray: everything else would be free
[12:40] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): And how much is that?
[12:41] Rosie Gray: depends on the DJ
[12:41] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Do you have one in mind?
[12:41] Rosie Gray: well Calli and I had talked about it, but since we didn't have a date
[12:42] Rosie Gray: couldn't really go any further at the time
[12:42] Rosie Gray: since you are here though Calli, what do you think?
[12:42] Rosie Gray: shall we pick a date and do you want to do it again?
[12:42] Rosie Gray: hi Ranma
[12:42] Sylvia Tamalyn: hi ranma
[12:43] Almut Brunswick: Hello Ranma
[12:43] Callipygian Christensen: I am ok for sat or sun the rest of this month as long as I know ahead and its between noon and 3 SLT :)
[12:43] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): or maybe we could be satisfied with a music stream?
[12:43] Ranma Tardis: hello :)
[12:43] Drewski Northman: Hi Ranma
[12:43] Shep (Shep Titian): Hi Ran
[12:43] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Hi Ranma
[12:43] Ranma Tardis: been getting ready for my trip to Helsinki
[12:43] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Hi Ranma
[12:43] Ranma Tardis: hello everyone :
[12:44] Ranma Tardis: :)
[12:44] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Shall we check our calendars, then?
[12:44] Rosie Gray: I think having a DJ makes it much more special
[12:44] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Yes, and Calli can play the national anthem
[12:44] Ranma Tardis: 12pm on the 20th works for me
[12:44] Pip Torok agrees
[12:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): 12pm on te 20th is best for me too, but that conflicts with our schedule
[12:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): BUT I suppose we can miss a meeting and be inaugurated!
[12:45] Ranma Tardis: is two weeks from now
[12:46] Sylvia Tamalyn: to clarify: are we proposing an official inaugural ball to be held in the schloss as usual?
[12:46] Ranma Tardis: ok
[12:46] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I thought so
[12:46] Sylvia Tamalyn: ok i was confused with talk of summer and anzere :)
[12:46] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): An official ball with some inaugural elements
[12:46] Rosie Gray: well we usually have some kind of theme to go with an inauguration
[12:47] Sylvia Tamalyn: ok as long as it is an inaugural ball. that is what i'm asking lol
[12:47] Rosie Gray: okay ㋡
[12:47] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Calli, what do you charge for DJing?
[12:48] Callipygian Christensen: 20 thousand lindens
[12:48] Callipygian Christensen: but for you guys, such a deal..3k
[12:48] Rosie Gray raises both eyebrows
[12:48] Sudane Erato: :)
[12:48] Sylvia Tamalyn grins
[12:49] Almut Brunswick: Are you from Switzerland? ^^
[12:49] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) is speechless.
[12:49] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:50] Callipygian Christensen: ya know..you just need to say 'Rosie, go arrange a ball' the budget is already approved isnt it?
[12:51] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I was told we needed to authorise the money.
[12:51] Sylvia Tamalyn: well then, let's authorize calli's fee and be done with it!
[12:51] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): From the Chancellor himself, I believe
[12:52] Pip Torok agrees with Sylvia
[12:52] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I motion to authorise Rosie Gray to organise an inaugural ball on 20 August at Noon SLT with 3,000L for DJ fees for Callipygian Christensen.
[12:52] Sylvia Tamalyn: second
[12:53] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): I may be wrong, but I thought the Chancellor had to authorise it
[12:53] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): (To be clear, Tor did not enumerate money specifically for an inaugural ball in his budget.)
[12:53] Ranma Tardis: he is UA right?
[12:54] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Well then, we take the full responsibility for the funding then
[12:54] Ranma Tardis: nods
[12:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): We have financial powers and the power of the purse
[12:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's vote!
[12:54] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Aye
[12:54] Ranma Tardis: aye
[12:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Aye
[12:54] Sylvia Tamalyn: aye
[12:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Motion passes!
[12:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): /claps
[12:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): clap clap clap
[12:54] Sudane Erato: yay!! :)
[12:54] Rosie Gray: hehe
[12:54] Ranma Tardis: claps, lets have a party!
[12:54] Sylvia Tamalyn collapses
[12:55] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): YAY! We're having a ball!
[12:55] Sylvia Tamalyn: only took three months!
[12:55] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:55] Drewski Northman: finally! Yay!!
[12:55] Sudane Erato: that's CDS time! :)
[12:55] Rosie Gray: you all better right it down in your calendars!
[12:55] Sudane Erato: its in mine :)
[12:55] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): ㋡
[12:55] Sylvia Tamalyn: i will be there, Mistress PIO ;)
[12:55] Sudane Erato: better be in Calli's!
[12:55] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I will send out invitations to the recipients of the Order of Anzere
[12:55] Drewski Northman: I will be there!
[12:55] Sylvia Tamalyn: (we better conference and make sure we don't wear the same gown!)
[12:56] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): (of which Calli IS one!)
[12:56] Sylvia Tamalyn: and pip!
[12:56] Ranma Tardis: laughs
[12:56] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Yes ㋡
[12:56] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): What about the theme?
[12:56] Pip Torok hides under the bench
[12:56] Sylvia Tamalyn: i have two gowns, ranma, just in case ;)
[12:56] Ranma Tardis: I have one :)
[12:56] Almut Brunswick: I need to leave now. See you around and thank you!
[12:56] Ranma Tardis: actually three
[12:56] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Bye Almut!
[12:56] Sylvia Tamalyn: bye almut :)
[12:56] Rosie Gray: bye Almut ㋡
[12:56] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Bye bye Almut
[12:57] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The theme, Em, is an "Anzere Summer"
[12:57] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Thank you Gaius. Then I have a suitable outfit
[12:57] Rosie Gray starts to get some ideas for colour
[12:57] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): (The irony is that Anzere is one of the winter sims)
[12:57] Ranma Tardis: smiles
[12:57] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Hehehe
[12:57] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's move along.
[12:57] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Bill on Maximum Land Ownership - Discussion
[12:58] Pip Torok: SL's climate change ...
[12:58] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Discussion on the forums and at our last meeting pointed to the need to raise the limit on the number of parcels one can own in the CDS.
[12:59] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): This limit is set by the general covenant and has other specific limits in the sim-specific covenants.
[12:59] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Discussion originally wanted a long-ranging law to address the problem and plan for future times when we will have more occupied parcels.
[13:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): However, discussion has recently changed to seek a simple policy change -- able to be addressed by a motion.
[13:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's discuss.
[13:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Sylvia?
[13:00] Sylvia Tamalyn: i just wanted to point out that if we get into much of a discussion, i would like to table that until such time as tan can join us since he has very much been part of the forum conversation on this topic
[13:00] Sylvia Tamalyn: done
[13:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Thank you.
[13:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I included a bill on the forum and in the box here.
[13:01] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The language still needs to be worked out, but we can move forward to authorise a change to the covenants today.
[13:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let us first address the specific general covenant's limit.
[13:02] Ranma Tardis: I move to table discussion
[13:02] Sylvia Tamalyn: second
[13:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's vote.
[13:03] Ranma Tardis: aye
[13:03] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Nay
[13:03] Sylvia Tamalyn: aye
[13:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Nay
[13:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Motion fails.
[13:03] Ranma Tardis: it was a tie
[13:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Aye, and so the motion fails.
[13:04] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The purpose of raising this topic was to address the problem raised by Han last meeting.
[13:04] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): We can address the problem simply today, which I believe is best, and continue discussion of any bill later.
[13:05] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): In my opinion the most important thing is that we have flexible system, where we relatively easily can adapt to new situations
[13:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): And it seemed that most agreed on the forums with that, Em.
[13:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Sudane, could you please address the limit which you think the RA can authorise to be changed today?
[13:06] Sudane Erato: I'm not sure i understand the question?
[13:07] Sudane Erato: I would not know what the RA can and cannot do
[13:07] Sudane Erato: lol.... I'm terrible at that :)
[13:08] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): We can change the covenant today through a motion to raise the specific line in the covenant to raise the limit on maximum land ownership.
[13:08] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): At least, that is my constitutional opinion.
[13:09] Sudane Erato: Well, i think it should be raised... but only if there is provision for enabling new citizens to get parcels in times of land scarcity
[13:09] Ranma Tardis: I point out the RA is tied 50/50 and no bill will be passed today
[13:09] Sudane Erato: thats the nut that needs cracking
[13:09] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): We can vote to change the covenant, but wait with the deatails until further calculations have been performed
[13:10] Ranma Tardis: I will vote nay
[13:10] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Exactly, Em.
[13:10] Sylvia Tamalyn: why would we want to do that? honest question
[13:10] Sudane Erato: raise the limits?
[13:10] Sylvia Tamalyn: vote without details
[13:10] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): To move things forward
[13:10] Ranma Tardis: to delay the bill until it is a good bill
[13:10] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Because we fix the immediate problem Sylvia, and continue to discuss the bill.
[13:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let me be clear, since I am not being clearly understoof.
[13:11] Sylvia Tamalyn: what are we fixing today, that is my question. you are wanting to raise the limits today and then come back later with a bill to change the limits? sorry if i am stupid but this makes no sense to me
[13:11] Ranma Tardis: we are not in a need to do it today
[13:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I believe it is best that we immediately approve the l raised limits on the maximum land ownership.
[13:11] Ranma Tardis: is there a need?
[13:12] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The bill to address the underlying problem can continue to be discussed (as it must).
[13:12] Sudane Erato: thge need is money
[13:12] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Yes, Ranma, as there is a citizen currently over the limit and there are several close to passing the limit (and another who says he is willing to pass it).
[13:12] Ranma Tardis: soone wants to buy more lots?
[13:12] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): The need was made clear by Han at the last meeting.
[13:12] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Yes, and some already have more.
[13:13] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Han expressed the EM:s concern
[13:13] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): And Sylvia here agreed and reflected her concerns.
[13:13] Ranma Tardis: Tor is absent, so there is no one to enforce the limits
[13:13] Ranma Tardis: I find the bill too complex
[13:13] Sylvia Tamalyn: i agreed but i don't think it's ready to be voted on at this time. that is my current concern
[13:14] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): You do not think we should vote on an immediate fix, Sylvia?
[13:14] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Because that was the prevailing opinion on the forums, which you agreed with!
[13:15] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I am proposing that we make a simple fix to the problem here today, by raising the limits to 12 parcels.
[13:15] Sylvia Tamalyn: i do not. we are not in crisis. i want us to have a solid bill that addresses the needs and concerns of as many citizens as possible. as a representative, that is my job. the bill you have given us today does not, in my opinion, address those concerns. i think we need more discussion to hammer out something that better complies with the wishes of the citizens and the well being of CDS
[13:15] Sylvia Tamalyn: i don't think two votes accomplishes this. i would like to see one vote, on a solid bill
[13:16] Ranma Tardis: nods
[13:16] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Well, then we are dead-locked.
[13:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Sylvia.
[13:17] Sylvia Tamalyn: sorry that was from earlier
[13:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Ah.
[13:18] Pip Torok needs to go
[13:18] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Bye Pip!
[13:19] Rosie Gray: bye bye Pip
[13:19] Sylvia Tamalyn: bye, pip :)
[13:19] Drewski Northman: Bye Pip!
[13:19] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Byebye, Pip
[13:19] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I motion to raise the limit on the maximum land ownership from 8 parcels to 12.
[13:20] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): second
[13:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's vote.
[13:20] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Aye
[13:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Aye
[13:20] Sylvia Tamalyn: aye
[13:21] Ranma Tardis: ays
[13:21] Ranma Tardis: aye
[13:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Motion passes.
[13:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): We can continue discussing the bill on the forum.
[13:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's continue.
[13:22] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Finally, something fun (in my opinion) to talk about!
[13:22] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Finally, I want to announce the formation of a new committee to finish the work of giving names to streets and roads in our estate and giving each region a local "flavour."
[13:22] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Finally, I want to announce the formation of a new committee to finish the work of giving names to streets and roads in our estate and giving each region a local "flavour."
[13:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Ach
[13:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): According to the RA's Rules of Procedure, the LRA can "create committees of members for the purpose of study and information gathering on proposed topics (bills, agenda items of all sorts)." With this committee, I hope to work with a series of volunteers and publics from across to propose names for the streets and roads of our estate and to propose addresses for parcels to the RA.
[13:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): *from across the CDS
[13:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): To date, two regions—Neufreidstadt and Colonia Nova—have street names; only NFS has addresses.
[13:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): This committee will consider naming and address conventions of the RL macronations which each SL region is based off, and I hope will work to develop street signage and option private address signage for each sim based off each sim's long-standing unofficial symbols (some of which are the flags across the nave from us here).
[13:24] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): For example, proposed new street addresses may follow the address conventions of Italy or other, Germanic Alpine countries, where street addresses tend to follow the name of the street (e.g., "Viale Toscano, 10" for LA or "Dorfstrasse 27" for AM, Monastery, or FS).
[13:24] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): This committee will require a few volunteers to help and I expect the committee as a whole will meet over the next month or so to work on how to operate and name streets. Would any of you be willing to volunteer?
[13:25] Sudane Erato: I wish i had time!
[13:25] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): I would enjoy being a part of that committee
[13:25] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Thank you, Em ㋡
[13:25] Sylvia Tamalyn: i have volunteered enough, i think, and don't have time for more. sorry :(
[13:25] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Not to worry!
[13:26] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I'll work with you, Em, and hopefully we can trick someone else to take part and have public meetings.
[13:26] Sylvia Tamalyn: lol
[13:26] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Then we can bring the RA some suggestions. ㋡
[13:27] Sudane Erato: float the proposed names on the forum, and i'lll be happy to put in my 2 cents :)
[13:27] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Certainly!
[13:27] Sylvia Tamalyn: you could even do a poll there
[13:27] Sudane Erato: yes!
[13:27] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): That's a lot of polls for as many roads we have!
[13:27] Sudane Erato: hehe
[13:27] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): But maybe we can d it for some of the important ones
[13:28] Callipygian Christensen: you could poll those who live on each street :)
[13:28] Sylvia Tamalyn: door to door!
[13:28] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): One sim at a time would be doable
[13:28] Sudane Erato: hehe... yes :)
[13:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Excellent ideas! ㋡
[13:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I like it.
[13:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I know I'll definitely need others' creative ideas
[13:29] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): (What do we call that big road down from NFS through AM?)
[13:29] Sudane Erato: sorry... i must go
[13:29] Sudane Erato: bye all!
[13:29] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Are there any announcements?
[13:29] Rosie Gray: bye Sudane
[13:29] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Bye Sudane!
[13:29] Callipygian Christensen: bye Sudane
[13:29] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Bye bye, Sudane
[13:29] Sylvia Tamalyn: bye sudane :)
[13:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Well, I guess the biggest announcement is to be at the Schloss on 20 August at Noon!
[13:30] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden) grins
[13:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): And, since we will be having the ball that day, we will not be meeting in a fortnight like usual.
[13:31] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Instead, we will meet on 3 September at Noon!
[13:31] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Any objections to that?
[13:31] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): I can do it
[13:31] Sylvia Tamalyn: is that 2 weeks after the ball?
[13:31] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker) nods
[13:32] Sylvia Tamalyn: ok i should be... i'm on holiday that weekend (labor day weekend) but will try!
[13:32] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Does it work for you, Ranma?
[13:32] Sylvia Tamalyn: i'm sure someone else can do the minutes if need be ;)
[13:32] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): (Yes!)
[13:32] Sylvia Tamalyn smiles
[13:32] Drewski Northman: RL calls folks. See you all soon!
[13:32] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Bye Drew!
[13:32] Rosie Gray: bye Drew ㋡
[13:33] Sylvia Tamalyn: bye drew! :)
[13:33] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Byee Drew
[13:33] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Well, Ranma can let me know if that doesn't work for her
[13:33] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I'll be in my new place by then
[13:33] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Is there a motion to adjourn?
[13:34] Ranma Tardis: I will be there
[13:34] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): So moved
[13:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Thank you!
[13:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Let's vote!
[13:34] Ranma Tardis: aye
[13:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Aye
[13:34] Sylvia Tamalyn: aye
[13:34] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Did we have a second?
[13:34] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Aye
[13:34] Sylvia Tamalyn: second
[13:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Ach!
[13:34] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden) laughs
[13:34] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): I got a head of myself
[13:34] Rosie Gray: :D
[13:34] Sylvia Tamalyn: someone is in a hurry to go
[13:35] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Thank you all
[13:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): Well, motion passes ㋡
[13:35] Sylvia Tamalyn: call it!
[13:35] Rosie Gray: see you all soon... must run
[13:35] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): See you at the ball
[13:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): See you in two weeks!
[13:35] Em Warden (Mothercard Warden): Bye bye Rosie
[13:35] Sylvia Tamalyn: bye rosie :)
[13:36] Sylvia Tamalyn: so did you adjourn us? lol
[13:36] Gaius Tiberius Curio (Guillaume Mistwalker): We are adjourned.

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