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[2019/02/25 12:03] Tanoujin Milestone: okay, I call this meeting to order
[2019/02/25 12:03] Tanoujin Milestone: Administrative
[2019/02/25 12:03] Tanoujin Milestone: Review and approval of the agenda - it is in the Amphora
[2019/02/25 12:03] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): agenda looks good, motion to approve
[2019/02/25 12:03] Rosie Gray: Motion to approve Agenda
[2019/02/25 12:03] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): second
[2019/02/25 12:04] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Second
[2019/02/25 12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please
[2019/02/25 12:04] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 12:04] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 12:04] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Aye
[2019/02/25 12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: aye, carries
[2019/02/25 12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you
[2019/02/25 12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: Review and approval of the minutes
[2019/02/25 12:04] Tanoujin Milestone: I have no link at hand... sorry, not at home again
[2019/02/25 12:04] Rosie Gray: one moment, I'll get it
[2019/02/25 12:05] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you so much, Rosie
[2019/02/25 12:05] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8853
[2019/02/25 12:05] Tanoujin Milestone: cool, ty
[2019/02/25 12:05] Rosie Gray: ach, Lyu, you are fast
[2019/02/25 12:05] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2019/02/25 12:05] Tanoujin Milestone: have we all read it?
[2019/02/25 12:05] Rosie Gray: thank you
[2019/02/25 12:05] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): yes, looks good :)
[2019/02/25 12:05] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I have
[2019/02/25 12:05] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): rosie wrote it, so i suppose she has too :)
[2019/02/25 12:05] Lilith Ivory: hi all :)
[2019/02/25 12:05] Tanoujin Milestone: wonderful - a motion to approve the minutes?
[2019/02/25 12:05] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): hi lilith :)
[2019/02/25 12:06] Tanoujin Milestone: Hey Lilith :)
[2019/02/25 12:06] Keila Forager: Hi Lil
[2019/02/25 12:06] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): motion to approve minutes
[2019/02/25 12:06] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): So moved
[2019/02/25 12:06] Rosie Gray: hi Lilith
[2019/02/25 12:06] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Hello lilith
[2019/02/25 12:06] Tanoujin Milestone: is there a second?
[2019/02/25 12:06] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): second
[2019/02/25 12:06] Tanoujin Milestone: and vote
[2019/02/25 12:06] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2019/02/25 12:06] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 12:06] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 12:07] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 12:07] Tanoujin Milestone: carries
[2019/02/25 12:07] Tanoujin Milestone: Executive report
[2019/02/25 12:07] Tanoujin Milestone: let me get the message from the chancellor
[2019/02/25 12:08] Tanoujin Milestone: ah, Kere : Kyoko apologizes for not being able to be here
[2019/02/25 12:08] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): How exciting- a message from another world almost:)
[2019/02/25 12:08] Rosie Gray: /me smiles
[2019/02/25 12:08] Tanoujin Milestone: She wants me to ask Rosie to report on our new residents and Lyubov's party ;)
[2019/02/25 12:08] Rosie Gray: Yes of course
[2019/02/25 12:09] Rosie Gray: The new residents I think she is referring to are with the new art museum.
[2019/02/25 12:09] Tanoujin Milestone: :)
[2019/02/25 12:09] Rosie Gray: The art museum is being put together by 8 or 9 art historians and their students
[2019/02/25 12:10] Rosie Gray: but not all are actually citizens... yet ;)
[2019/02/25 12:10] Rosie Gray: I think there are 2 that are actually citizens
[2019/02/25 12:10] Tanoujin Milestone: nice!
[2019/02/25 12:10] Rosie Gray: they have taken a total of 4 large parcels
[2019/02/25 12:10] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): WOW!
[2019/02/25 12:10] Pip Torok: cd someone give me a list of the student-builders so I can greet them?
[2019/02/25 12:11] Rosie Gray: and the museum is the same building that I made initially to be a theatre
[2019/02/25 12:11] Rosie Gray: which I've put down for them, and which our Chancellor has waived a piece of the covenant for... the piece that requires a 5m clearance around the parcel
[2019/02/25 12:12] Rosie Gray: because the building is very large.
[2019/02/25 12:12] Rosie Gray: Pip, you can get names from me or Lilith later ㋡
[2019/02/25 12:12] Pip Torok: thanks
[2019/02/25 12:12] Rosie Gray: there are also some other new citizens, but I haven't met them yet
[2019/02/25 12:12] Lilith Ivory: /me does not have a list of names :)
[2019/02/25 12:13] Rosie Gray: lol, neither do I Lilith, but I can probably figure it out
[2019/02/25 12:13] Lilith Ivory: /me smiles
[2019/02/25 12:13] Rosie Gray: as for reporting on Lyubov's DJ Party, it was a wonderful time
[2019/02/25 12:13] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): wonderful news rosie! just noticed on the census that we have 68 citizens now, up from the last report of 63
[2019/02/25 12:13] Rosie Gray: perhaps Lyubov herself can report on it a bit more!
[2019/02/25 12:13] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I suppose they have an SL group where all the memebers are listed?
[2019/02/25 12:13] Rosie Gray: yes, that's right!
[2019/02/25 12:13] Tanoujin Milestone: makes sense to me
[2019/02/25 12:14] Rosie Gray: I don't know Em
[2019/02/25 12:14] Tanoujin Milestone: would you like to report, Lyubov?
[2019/02/25 12:14] Rosie Gray: haven't seen one yet
[2019/02/25 12:14] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): ty to everyone that was able to come to the CDS montnly DJ party, hosted by myxelf at my new Game Center in LA
[2019/02/25 12:14] Rosie Gray: done
[2019/02/25 12:14] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you, Rosie :)
[2019/02/25 12:14] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): it has been a fun and exciting month, creating a new interior space next to the Gacha market facing the harbor
[2019/02/25 12:15] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): and i hope that this will become an active and open space for all to enjoy :)
[2019/02/25 12:15] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): played a House music set and everyone found the dances :)
[2019/02/25 12:16] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): during the 90 minute event, we had 23 unique vistors (including 2 for me!)
[2019/02/25 12:16] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): and the average guest stayed for approximately an hour
[2019/02/25 12:16] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): we all had a wonderful time and i'm looking forward to hosting another event soon! done. <3
[2019/02/25 12:17] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Lyubov
[2019/02/25 12:17] Pip Torok: /me hopes it's very soon ...
[2019/02/25 12:17] Tanoujin Milestone: /me struggles with their viewer...
[2019/02/25 12:17] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i will do my best to do at lest a weekly DJ event
[2019/02/25 12:18] Rosie Gray: wow, that's a lot!
[2019/02/25 12:18] Tanoujin Milestone: yay!
[2019/02/25 12:18] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): well, if i just have to put on my music :)
[2019/02/25 12:18] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i won't be buidling another Palace anytime soon :)
[2019/02/25 12:18] Tanoujin Milestone: hehe
[2019/02/25 12:18] Tanoujin Milestone: so, back to Kyokos message:
[2019/02/25 12:18] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i also hope to gain awareness for CDS though the game activities which i intend to promote
[2019/02/25 12:19] Tanoujin Milestone: :)
[2019/02/25 12:19] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I am impressed by your visitor statistics, Lyubov
[2019/02/25 12:19] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): ty :)
[2019/02/25 12:19] Tanoujin Milestone: Kyoko anounces the Celebrating of SL Women 2019 on March 23
[2019/02/25 12:20] Tanoujin Milestone: and this is the end of her message
[2019/02/25 12:20] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): are we doing someting specifically on 8 march, international womens day?
[2019/02/25 12:20] Rosie Gray: hi Emilia ㋡
[2019/02/25 12:20] Lilith Ivory: Hi Emilia
[2019/02/25 12:20] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): Hi Rosie, hello everyone!
[2019/02/25 12:20] Keila Forager: Hi Emi
[2019/02/25 12:20] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Hello Emilia
[2019/02/25 12:20] Tanoujin Milestone: hm, good question
[2019/02/25 12:21] Tanoujin Milestone: nothing taht I personally herad of
[2019/02/25 12:21] Rosie Gray: the next event is the Celebrating SL Women 2019 on March 23
[2019/02/25 12:21] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): that's a friday....at the very least i can play some music...
[2019/02/25 12:21] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): ok :)
[2019/02/25 12:21] Rosie Gray: (message also from Kyoko)
[2019/02/25 12:21] Lilith Ivory: /me wonders if Emilia can report about womans day
[2019/02/25 12:21] Lilith Ivory: I know there are plans :)
[2019/02/25 12:22] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): Sure, thank you, Lilith..
[2019/02/25 12:22] Tanoujin Milestone: you have the floor, Emilia
[2019/02/25 12:22] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): It's on March 23, a Saturday, actually,
[2019/02/25 12:22] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): 12-2pm
[2019/02/25 12:23] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): We will have a DJ for the event, her name is Aurora
[2019/02/25 12:23] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): she was recommended by one of our nominees Gabrielle Riel.
[2019/02/25 12:23] Tanoujin Milestone: same place as last year, Emilia?
[2019/02/25 12:24] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): Location is Barzane Gallery
[2019/02/25 12:24] Tanoujin Milestone: /me nods
[2019/02/25 12:24] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): so inside the CN walls..
[2019/02/25 12:24] Tanoujin Milestone: looking forward to it!
[2019/02/25 12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: are you done, Emilia?
[2019/02/25 12:25] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): Yes of course, it will be a "big" public facing event, and we hope most if not all nominees make at least a "cameo appearance."
[2019/02/25 12:25] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): yes, unless there are questions.
[2019/02/25 12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: hehe, cool
[2019/02/25 12:25] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): /me smiles
[2019/02/25 12:25] Tanoujin Milestone: questions
[2019/02/25 12:25] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): yes, it will be awesome.
[2019/02/25 12:26] Rosie Gray: /me notices Pip's name on the talking stick
[2019/02/25 12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: i hear none, we go on. Thank you Emilia
[2019/02/25 12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Pip?
[2019/02/25 12:26] Pip Torok: sorry .. i thought it was the amphora
[2019/02/25 12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: /me pokes Pip
[2019/02/25 12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: lol
[2019/02/25 12:26] Rosie Gray: lol
[2019/02/25 12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: could you remove your name?
[2019/02/25 12:26] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): /me grins
[2019/02/25 12:26] Rosie Gray: just click it again to remove your name
[2019/02/25 12:26] Pip Torok: ok
[2019/02/25 12:26] XD-Moderator Speaker List v2.36: Current Speaker is Now:
[2019/02/25 12:26] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you
[2019/02/25 12:27] Tanoujin Milestone: Report on the LUC
[2019/02/25 12:27] Tanoujin Milestone: Your turn again, Rosie
[2019/02/25 12:27] Rosie Gray: thank you Tan
[2019/02/25 12:27] Rosie Gray: we had a good meeting of the LUC on the 17th, where we discussed amongst other things, security orbs
[2019/02/25 12:28] Rosie Gray: there are different opinions about it, but it seems that most people do not want security orbs on the ground here in the CDS
[2019/02/25 12:28] Rosie Gray: since we have the tools for all citizens to prevent people from seeing avatars on their parcels, and also of booting people
[2019/02/25 12:29] Rosie Gray: and of even blocking specific individuals
[2019/02/25 12:29] Rosie Gray: also it was pointed out that much furniture you can set to your own group or owner only if you wish
[2019/02/25 12:30] Rosie Gray: the full transcript is up on the forum now, if anyone wishes to read it
[2019/02/25 12:30] Tanoujin Milestone: i admit i did not have the tie to read it yet
[2019/02/25 12:30] Rosie Gray: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8863
[2019/02/25 12:30] Tanoujin Milestone: *time
[2019/02/25 12:30] Rosie Gray: done
[2019/02/25 12:30] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you Rosie
[2019/02/25 12:31] Tanoujin Milestone: My fellow reps, do you ant that put to a vote here? If we allow security orbs on the ground or not?
[2019/02/25 12:32] Rosie Gray: I would be willing to vote on that
[2019/02/25 12:32] Rosie Gray: but perhaps everyone should read the transcript first?
[2019/02/25 12:32] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): do we need any discussion?
[2019/02/25 12:32] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): OK
[2019/02/25 12:32] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i know where i stand, and i agree with the sentiment of the LUC
[2019/02/25 12:32] Tanoujin Milestone: yes. And we should discuss it here, briefly at least
[2019/02/25 12:33] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): Em, do you have any thoughts or concerns?
[2019/02/25 12:33] Tanoujin Milestone: I would also like to adress those who might be drawn away from cds if we vote against it
[2019/02/25 12:33] Tanoujin Milestone: Em?
[2019/02/25 12:33] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I am personally against security orbs
[2019/02/25 12:34] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i think we can approach prospective citizens though education on the topic...
[2019/02/25 12:34] Rosie Gray: that was discussed at the meeting too
[2019/02/25 12:34] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): There is a possibility to rez a skybox if you have something you want to conceale
[2019/02/25 12:34] Rosie Gray: the idea of having a notecard on what you can do yourself for your security, without using security orbs
[2019/02/25 12:34] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): something like "as a full citizen, you have ownership rights of the land and have access to the land tools which do what orbs do..." as rosie and the LUC discussed...
[2019/02/25 12:35] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): exactly rosie
[2019/02/25 12:35] Tanoujin Milestone: Let me read the transcript, i move we talble it and vote on it next time
[2019/02/25 12:35] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): That is absolutely the best solution in my opinion
[2019/02/25 12:35] Rosie Gray: second the motion
[2019/02/25 12:35] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please on tabling this item
[2019/02/25 12:35] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Aye
[2019/02/25 12:35] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2019/02/25 12:36] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 12:36] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 12:36] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you. Motion carries
[2019/02/25 12:36] Tanoujin Milestone: i will be prepared next time, thanks for your patience
[2019/02/25 12:37] Tanoujin Milestone: Next on Agenda: Report on the MoCa working group
[2019/02/25 12:37] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I think this is going very smoothly, Tan :)
[2019/02/25 12:37] Tanoujin Milestone: ;)
[2019/02/25 12:37] Tanoujin Milestone: Any representative of the MoCa working group here?
[2019/02/25 12:37] Rosie Gray: Nothing to report since the Chancellor is not available at this time and she is taking the helm.
[2019/02/25 12:38] Tanoujin Milestone: ahhhh, okay!
[2019/02/25 12:38] Tanoujin Milestone: good, we will wait for Kyoko's return then
[2019/02/25 12:38] Tanoujin Milestone: next: Citizen Concerns
[2019/02/25 12:39] Lilith Ivory: Tan is about to crash
[2019/02/25 12:39] Rosie Gray: oh dear
[2019/02/25 12:40] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): any citizen concerns? pip, keila, emilia, lillith?
[2019/02/25 12:40] Keila Forager: Not from me..
[2019/02/25 12:40] Pip Torok: none at this time
[2019/02/25 12:40] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): Not that i can think of, none have been brought to me.
[2019/02/25 12:40] Tanoujin Milestone: is offline.
[2019/02/25 12:40] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): RA member concerns?
[2019/02/25 12:41] Rosie Gray: not from me
[2019/02/25 12:41] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): We lost our LRA :(
[2019/02/25 12:41] Lilith Ivory: Tan is about to come back
[2019/02/25 12:41] Tanoujin Milestone: is online.
[2019/02/25 12:41] Rosie Gray: there he is
[2019/02/25 12:41] Rosie Gray: welcome back, Tan dear
[2019/02/25 12:41] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): WB, Tan :)
[2019/02/25 12:41] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): no citizen concerns, Tan
[2019/02/25 12:42] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): re RA members:
[2019/02/25 12:42] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i would also like to mention 1) Naf and I have been experimenting with live-streaming SL... i did so during our event yesteday :)
[2019/02/25 12:42] Tanoujin Milestone: ok... just a moment, lol
[2019/02/25 12:42] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): and 2) also in my Game Center, i have begun experimenting with SL's new "animesh" feature... it's fun and i'm excited about the possiblities. done
[2019/02/25 12:43] Tanoujin Milestone: okay, I am up again hehe
[2019/02/25 12:43] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2019/02/25 12:43] Tanoujin Milestone: no citizen concerns, ... okay. Do the RA members have something for us?
[2019/02/25 12:43] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): nothing more :)
[2019/02/25 12:43] Rosie Gray: only if you do, Tan
[2019/02/25 12:44] Tanoujin Milestone: my only concern is to keep the cam oin this room
[2019/02/25 12:44] Rosie Gray: /me laughs
[2019/02/25 12:44] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Hehehe
[2019/02/25 12:44] Tanoujin Milestone: it feels weird to talk to the shingles outside ;)
[2019/02/25 12:44] Pip Torok: :)
[2019/02/25 12:45] Tanoujin Milestone: great, we come to CDSL 17-01
[2019/02/25 12:45] Tanoujin Milestone: Citizens notification act
[2019/02/25 12:45] Tanoujin Milestone: I have 5 points to discuss
[2019/02/25 12:45] Tanoujin Milestone: the main purpose is to insert time frmes for agenda, Budget and proposals
[2019/02/25 12:46] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): your proposals look reasonable Tan.
[2019/02/25 12:47] Tanoujin Milestone: lets start with the first point: instead of putting the legislation off for a certin time, we alllow a defined time for participation before we issue them
[2019/02/25 12:47] Tanoujin Milestone: thnk you Lyubov
[2019/02/25 12:47] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): yes agree. once decided, it is enacted.
[2019/02/25 12:48] Tanoujin Milestone: so this leaves us with the question when laws do take effect
[2019/02/25 12:48] Tanoujin Milestone: i believe this is the case aas soon as they are posted to the portal?
[2019/02/25 12:48] Tanoujin Milestone: is that correct?
[2019/02/25 12:48] Rosie Gray: I am not sure
[2019/02/25 12:49] Tanoujin Milestone: darn, me neither
[2019/02/25 12:49] Rosie Gray: I thought that they were in effect as soon as they are passed, and should be
[2019/02/25 12:49] Lilith Ivory: /me raises her hand
[2019/02/25 12:49] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): sounds fair. the meeting decision, nor the transcript would be sufficient. the text of the law should be posted to the site. upon posting, it is effective
[2019/02/25 12:49] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Lilith?
[2019/02/25 12:49] Lilith Ivory: I would say Laws arenot in afect before they got posted at the portal as there has to be a way to find them again
[2019/02/25 12:50] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): /me raises hand
[2019/02/25 12:50] Lilith Ivory: noone can be expected to sort through all transcripts to look for laws which might have been passed without being posted :)
[2019/02/25 12:50] Lilith Ivory: done
[2019/02/25 12:50] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2019/02/25 12:50] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, I remember it is the same in RL... there is a certain paper in which new laws are published to make them effective
[2019/02/25 12:50] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): agree
[2019/02/25 12:51] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): /me waves both hands
[2019/02/25 12:51] Tanoujin Milestone: okay, let us vote if we all agree on that and write it into the proposal later on
[2019/02/25 12:51] Tanoujin Milestone: Yes, Em?
[2019/02/25 12:51] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): Em is waving frantically :)
[2019/02/25 12:51] Tanoujin Milestone: hehe
[2019/02/25 12:52] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I am pretty sure this is what we did when we had to make new laws during the Cigalia times. RA had a discussion, and if I remember it correctly Sudane pointed out at that time, that the laws had to be posted on the portal before they were effective
[2019/02/25 12:53] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): sounds like a proper procedure Em :)
[2019/02/25 12:53] Tanoujin Milestone: great, I like that! I move we fix that in the proposal we are going to draft
[2019/02/25 12:53] Rosie Gray: agreed
[2019/02/25 12:54] Rosie Gray: second, I should say
[2019/02/25 12:54] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please
[2019/02/25 12:54] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): :)
[2019/02/25 12:54] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 12:54] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 12:54] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 12:54] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2019/02/25 12:54] Tanoujin Milestone: carries
[2019/02/25 12:54] Tanoujin Milestone: thank you#
[2019/02/25 12:55] Tanoujin Milestone: next: Posting is defined as Forums post (appropiate place) and Group notice with added notecard
[2019/02/25 12:55] Tanoujin Milestone: do we need anything more?
[2019/02/25 12:55] Rosie Gray: I don't think so
[2019/02/25 12:55] Tanoujin Milestone: i guess we all agree
[2019/02/25 12:56] Tanoujin Milestone: i would say we fix that too - if no one vetoes
[2019/02/25 12:56] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): yes, sounds like a good definition of "posting"
[2019/02/25 12:56] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Not the portal then?
[2019/02/25 12:56] Tanoujin Milestone: can we go on?
[2019/02/25 12:56] Rosie Gray: the portal is where the laws go
[2019/02/25 12:56] Tanoujin Milestone: oh, Em, we post it and then the discussion and participation starts
[2019/02/25 12:57] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Ah- I see. Sorry
[2019/02/25 12:57] Tanoujin Milestone: and when it is issued, it has to go to the portal to take effect
[2019/02/25 12:57] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): and a "post" might mean an agenda item, meeting notice..
[2019/02/25 12:57] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): /me nods
[2019/02/25 12:57] Tanoujin Milestone: no problem, was a good question
[2019/02/25 12:57] Lilith Ivory: you might want to define what this point is about :)
[2019/02/25 12:58] Lilith Ivory: I am a bit confused too
[2019/02/25 12:58] Rosie Gray: I agree, Lilith
[2019/02/25 12:58] Lilith Ivory: posting of what )
[2019/02/25 12:58] Rosie Gray: more definition as to what exactly we are talking about
[2019/02/25 12:58] Tanoujin Milestone: you will se it with the next item: it s just the definition that posting is forums post and inworld notice with attached notecard
[2019/02/25 12:59] Tanoujin Milestone: then: we need such a "post" eg for the budget
[2019/02/25 12:59] Rosie Gray: okay, so you have broken it down into more points
[2019/02/25 12:59] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): we "post" notices, we "write" laws. a law is "effective" when it is "written" to the Portal. meeting noticices are "posted" to the forum and group
[2019/02/25 13:00] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, right Lyubov
[2019/02/25 13:00] Tanoujin Milestone: sorry for makinh it this complicated
[2019/02/25 13:00] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): So there are two steps of posting: one before the RA decision and one after the Ra-decision, when posting means added to the laws in the portal
[2019/02/25 13:01] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): (Right?)
[2019/02/25 13:01] Tanoujin Milestone: let me try the other way round:
[2019/02/25 13:01] Tanoujin Milestone: "Proposed budgets must be posted at least 7 days before voting on."
[2019/02/25 13:01] Tanoujin Milestone: and posting means: forums and Inworld notice
[2019/02/25 13:01] Tanoujin Milestone: in this context
[2019/02/25 13:02] Rosie Gray: that's a better order
[2019/02/25 13:02] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, I agree
[2019/02/25 13:02] Tanoujin Milestone: I have seen better days ;)
[2019/02/25 13:02] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): :)
[2019/02/25 13:02] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Better computers too, I guess :)
[2019/02/25 13:02] Tanoujin Milestone: lol
[2019/02/25 13:02] Rosie Gray: lol
[2019/02/25 13:03] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): correct concept Em. to be precise, we might want to use a different word for laws. instead of "posting" laws, we "write" laws to the forum. discussions about revisions to laws may be "posted" to the forum to discuss... (oh my!) :)
[2019/02/25 13:03] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2019/02/25 13:03] Lilith Ivory: /me raises her hand once more
[2019/02/25 13:03] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I think I understand...
[2019/02/25 13:03] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Lilith?
[2019/02/25 13:04] Tanoujin Milestone: /me feels like going down the niagara falls atm :D
[2019/02/25 13:04] Lilith Ivory: might be good to have a wording that does not only talk about proposed budgets but about proposals in generel too
[2019/02/25 13:04] Lilith Ivory: done
[2019/02/25 13:04] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): *write laws to the Portal, post discussions about laws to the forum
[2019/02/25 13:04] Tanoujin Milestone: how does this sound to a native speaker?
[2019/02/25 13:04] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): anyone? lol
[2019/02/25 13:05] Rosie Gray: I think it makes sense
[2019/02/25 13:05] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Yes, that is a good definition, Lyuobov. That makes things more clear
[2019/02/25 13:05] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): /me nods
[2019/02/25 13:05] Rosie Gray: agreed
[2019/02/25 13:05] Tanoujin Milestone: maybe the steps we are taking are to small
[2019/02/25 13:06] Tanoujin Milestone: i want to adress Liliths remark
[2019/02/25 13:06] Pip Torok: once write and post are carefully defined and delineated, it soulds clear to this native speaker
[2019/02/25 13:06] Tanoujin Milestone: let me give you the full text
[2019/02/25 13:06] Tanoujin Milestone: thanlk you Pip
[2019/02/25 13:06] Tanoujin Milestone: uh, I touched the cam again...
[2019/02/25 13:07] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): /me grins
[2019/02/25 13:07] Tanoujin Milestone: Lilith, this is the rest: • "Proposed budgets must be posted at least 7 days before voting on."
• "proposed laws or amendments to laws must be published 30 days before being voted on."
• "All other actions of the RA, including agendas that specify proposals and administrative discussion must be posted 24 (48?) hours before meeting time.""• "Proposed budgets must be posted at least 7 days before voting on."
• "proposed laws or amendments to laws must be published 30 days before being voted on."
• "All other actions of the RA, including agendas that specify proposals and administrative discussion must be posted 24 (48?) hours before meeting time."
[2019/02/25 13:07] Tanoujin Milestone: sigh. now it is there two times
[2019/02/25 13:08] Lilith Ivory: ah ok thank you
[2019/02/25 13:08] Tanoujin Milestone: thanks for understanding it though, lo
[2019/02/25 13:08] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2019/02/25 13:08] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Rosie?
[2019/02/25 13:08] Rosie Gray: I am a little concerned with the 30 days for proposed laws or amendments to laws
[2019/02/25 13:08] Rosie Gray: that seems like a long time to me
[2019/02/25 13:08] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): agree rosie, far too long
[2019/02/25 13:09] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): half that time, 1 RA meeting cycle, should be sufficient
[2019/02/25 13:09] Tanoujin Milestone: makes sense to me
[2019/02/25 13:09] Rosie Gray: I think that 7 days would be enough
[2019/02/25 13:09] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): I a gree to that
[2019/02/25 13:09] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i can go with 7 even rosie :)
[2019/02/25 13:09] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, good!
[2019/02/25 13:09] Tanoujin Milestone: wait a moment....
[2019/02/25 13:09] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): and 24 hours... we have enough trouble posting agendas 23 hours in advance..
[2019/02/25 13:09] Rosie Gray: keep it the same as for proposed budgets
[2019/02/25 13:09] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): *24
[2019/02/25 13:09] Tanoujin Milestone: it id really about participation
[2019/02/25 13:10] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): yes
[2019/02/25 13:10] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i don't think the marginal participation from 2 weeks to 30 days is much
[2019/02/25 13:10] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): and even from 7 days to 2 weeks, i don't know...
[2019/02/25 13:10] Rosie Gray: I think that if people want to participate, they are usually paying attention and will do so within a reasonable amount of time
[2019/02/25 13:11] Tanoujin Milestone: hm. / days for budgets
[2019/02/25 13:11] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): for example, the recent forum discussion re the Orbs... it all happens quickly, if interested
[2019/02/25 13:11] Tanoujin Milestone: 7days
[2019/02/25 13:11] Rosie Gray: otherwise it will take forever for anything to happen
[2019/02/25 13:11] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): How about a compromise of 10 days?
[2019/02/25 13:11] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, i see that
[2019/02/25 13:11] Rosie Gray: 10 days is reasonable to me
[2019/02/25 13:11] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Or do we need full weeks
[2019/02/25 13:11] Lilith Ivory: /me raises her hand
[2019/02/25 13:11] Tanoujin Milestone: yes, Lilith?
[2019/02/25 13:11] Rosie Gray: but it 'could' be longer, as we are talking about a minimum
[2019/02/25 13:12] Tanoujin Milestone: that i true, Rosie, we should say it is the minimum requirement
[2019/02/25 13:12] Lilith Ivory: don´t we have 14 days (or more) to give citizens time to react on landscaping issues? I think Laws are more important thatn that and need at least as much time to be discussed
[2019/02/25 13:12] Lilith Ivory: done
[2019/02/25 13:12] Hannah Marie Tempestwolf (Han Held): is online.
[2019/02/25 13:12] Rosie Gray: hmmm, good point
[2019/02/25 13:13] Rosie Gray: so perhaps 14 days would be better, and then it also makes it all easier to remember
[2019/02/25 13:13] Rosie Gray: aligning times
[2019/02/25 13:13] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): Lilith, my *only* hedge on 14 days is: i would hate to be 24 hours away during the next RA meeting and be unable to act... which then effectively makes it 28 days...
[2019/02/25 13:13] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Aligning times i a good aspect
[2019/02/25 13:13] Tanoujin Milestone: Lilith, help me a little, so would that give us the possibility to vote on it if there are 14 days between two meetings?
[2019/02/25 13:14] Rosie Gray: and people still would have the time to come to a meeting and make other suggestions, if they do not like what is proposed, correct?
[2019/02/25 13:15] Lilith Ivory: yes I think so - while I personally have no problem with those 30 days too as I am sure Calli had good reasons to suggest it this way
[2019/02/25 13:15] Rosie Gray: it makes everything grind to a halt sometimes
[2019/02/25 13:16] Lilith Ivory: all suggested days only say you can vote on a law , not you have to vote on it
[2019/02/25 13:16] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Maybe we could add a possibility to prolongue the time after an RA decision about it, if someething is unusually important
[2019/02/25 13:17] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): i'm feeling the 7 (or 10) day is a sufficient "minimum".. which effectively means 14 because of the RA meeting cycle... and this is just a discussion, not necessarily a vote...whereas landscaping is an imminent change
[2019/02/25 13:17] Tanoujin Milestone: May I summarize?
[2019/02/25 13:18] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Please do...
[2019/02/25 13:18] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): please Tan :)
[2019/02/25 13:18] Rosie Gray: I agree, that we are talking about posting proposals here, so that people have time to revue them, but they can also come and make suggestions or objections at the meeting time
[2019/02/25 13:18] Rosie Gray: yes, sorry Tan
[2019/02/25 13:18] Tanoujin Milestone: we would like to keep the 24 hours for agenda
[2019/02/25 13:18] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): yes
[2019/02/25 13:18] Tanoujin Milestone: and we are fine with 7 days for the budget
[2019/02/25 13:18] Rosie Gray: yes
[2019/02/25 13:18] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): yes
[2019/02/25 13:18] Rosie Gray: yes
[2019/02/25 13:18] Tanoujin Milestone: hmhm
[2019/02/25 13:19] Tanoujin Milestone: this is already something
[2019/02/25 13:19] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2019/02/25 13:19] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): :)
[2019/02/25 13:19] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): :)
[2019/02/25 13:19] Tanoujin Milestone: I will try to make a proposal in legisative discussion on this basis and leave the wuestion of law proposals open
[2019/02/25 13:20] Tanoujin Milestone: we can discuss it there further
[2019/02/25 13:20] Tanoujin Milestone: can we leave it at that for the monent?
[2019/02/25 13:20] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Meinetwegen
[2019/02/25 13:20] Tanoujin Milestone: lol
[2019/02/25 13:21] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2019/02/25 13:21] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): what she said :)
[2019/02/25 13:21] Rosie Gray: sounds good, Tan
[2019/02/25 13:21] Tanoujin Milestone: that is the only word you need to know to enjoy your holiday in germany, Em
[2019/02/25 13:21] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): Virtually "I have no objections"
[2019/02/25 13:21] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): >Hehehe, Tan
[2019/02/25 13:22] Tanoujin Milestone: great... I move we table this and go on at the forum
[2019/02/25 13:22] Rosie Gray: second the motion
[2019/02/25 13:22] Tanoujin Milestone: lease vote
[2019/02/25 13:22] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 13:22] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 13:22] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 13:22] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2019/02/25 13:22] Tanoujin Milestone: motion carries, thank you!
[2019/02/25 13:23] Tanoujin Milestone: no new business
[2019/02/25 13:23] Tanoujin Milestone: any Announcements?
[2019/02/25 13:23] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): sounds like Spring is Coming up the mountain soon? :)
[2019/02/25 13:23] Rosie Gray: yes I believe it is!
[2019/02/25 13:24] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): YAY!
[2019/02/25 13:24] Pip Torok: it cannot come quickly enough ...
[2019/02/25 13:24] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): I do see some grass even in the snow up high...
[2019/02/25 13:24] Keila Forager: LOL Summer weather here in RL
[2019/02/25 13:24] Keila Forager: still liking the snow :)
[2019/02/25 13:25] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): :)
[2019/02/25 13:25] Tanoujin Milestone: where worries melt like lemon drops ;)
[2019/02/25 13:25] Emilia Dagostino (emilia Avindar): /me smiles
[2019/02/25 13:25] Tanoujin Milestone: next meeting?
[2019/02/25 13:26] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): monday 11 march?
[2019/02/25 13:26] Tanoujin Milestone: fine with it
[2019/02/25 13:27] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): works for me too
[2019/02/25 13:27] Tanoujin Milestone: Rosie?
[2019/02/25 13:28] Rosie Gray: ack sorry
[2019/02/25 13:28] Tanoujin Milestone: np
[2019/02/25 13:28] Rosie Gray: one sec
[2019/02/25 13:28] Tanoujin Milestone: sure
[2019/02/25 13:28] Rosie Gray: yes March 11 works for me
[2019/02/25 13:28] Rosie Gray: noon again?
[2019/02/25 13:28] Tanoujin Milestone: /me takes a puff from their new vaper
[2019/02/25 13:28] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): noon is good :)
[2019/02/25 13:28] Tanoujin Milestone: great, lets have it so
[2019/02/25 13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: motion to meet again on March 11 noon
[2019/02/25 13:29] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): second
[2019/02/25 13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: vote
[2019/02/25 13:29] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 13:29] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 13:29] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2019/02/25 13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: can I have a motion to adjourn?
[2019/02/25 13:29] Lyubov (20180414 Resident): motion to adjourn
[2019/02/25 13:29] Rosie Gray: second
[2019/02/25 13:29] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): second
[2019/02/25 13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: vote please
[2019/02/25 13:29] Rosie Gray: aye
[2019/02/25 13:29] Tanoujin Milestone: aye
[2019/02/25 13:29] Em Warden (EmWarden Resident): aye
[2019/02/25 13:30] nieru: left the region.
[2019/02/25 13:30] Tanoujin Milestone: we stand adjourned until march 11th

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