Transcript - 21 January 2015 RA Meeting

[Guillaume Mistwalker]

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[07:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Hi Timo ㋡
[07:00] Cadence Theas: Hi Timo, Hi Bells
[07:00] Timo Gufler: Hi Cadence and all
[07:00] Bells Semyorka: hello lovelies
[07:00] Timo Gufler: I'm trying sit without graphics...
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[07:00] Bells Semyorka: you can do it Timo!
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[07:00] Cadence Theas: Hi Rosie
[07:01] Cadence Theas: Hi Em
[07:01] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Good morning
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[07:01] Timo Gufler: did it succeed?
[07:01] Bells Semyorka: Hello Rosie and EM
[07:01] Rosie Gray: good morning everyone ㋡
[07:01] Bells Semyorka: no.
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[07:01] Rosie Gray: yeesh, terrible time trying to log in
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[07:02] Cadence Theas: We are missing Pip and Tor, but we have a quorum to begin
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[07:02] Cadence Theas: has anyone heard from Tor recently?
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[07:02] Rosie Gray shakes her head
[07:02] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Please remember to turn off all cell phones and electronics, fasten your seat belts, and have a good flight...
[07:03] Bells Semyorka: lol
[07:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): And no, I haven't seen him on at all lately!
[07:03] Cadence Theas: I hope he is ok
[07:03] Cadence Theas: Ok, I am going to go ahead and begin
[07:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): He logged on four days ago, which is unlike him
[07:03] Cadence Theas: the iris box has the latest agenda
[07:04] Cadence Theas: it also has the budget and a law proposed by Gauis
[07:04] Cadence Theas: so please click on it to have the relevant documents
[07:04] Second Life: You decline 'CDS Budget 22nd RA' ( Colonia Nova (13,165,41) ) from Object.
[07:04] Second Life: You decline 'AGENDA FOR 22nd RA MEETING, WEDNESDAY JANUARY 21, 7-9AM SLT' ( Colonia Nova (13,165,41) ) from Object.
[07:04] Second Life: Object owned by Cadence Theas gave you 'Act to Establish Diplomatic Relations' ( Colonia Nova (13,165,41) ).
[07:04] Cadence Theas: Please look at the revised agenda for approval
[07:05] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to approve the agenda for todays meeting?
[07:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So moved
[07:05] Cadence Theas: second?
[07:05] Timo Gufler: aye
[07:05] Cadence Theas: is there any discussion?
[07:06] Cadence Theas: if not, then please vote on the approval of the agenda
[07:06] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): aye
[07:06] Timo Gufler: aye
[07:06] Cadence Theas: aye
[07:06] Cadence Theas: the agenda is approved
[07:07] Cadence Theas: here is the link to the minutes from the January 3 meeting
[07:07] Cadence Theas: Ok, I am going to go ahead and begin
[07:07] Cadence Theas: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6299
[07:07] Cadence Theas: worry wrong copy/paste
[07:07] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to accept the minutes from the January 3rd meeting?
[07:08] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So moved
[07:08] Cadence Theas: second?
[07:08] Timo Gufler: second
[07:08] Cadence Theas: can we please vote
[07:08] Cadence Theas: for approval of the minutes
[07:08] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): aye
[07:09] Timo Gufler: aye'
[07:09] Cadence Theas: aye
[07:09] Cadence Theas: the minutes are approved
[07:09] Cadence Theas: the next part, the executive report. I was unable to schedule a time for Pat to be here
[07:09] Cadence Theas: so it will have to wait until the next RA meeting
[07:10] Cadence Theas: at this point I would like to ask if there are any citizen concerns?
[07:11] Cadence Theas: ok, if there are no concerns I would like to move on to the next section, RA concerns
[07:11] Cadence Theas: are there any RA concerns until we get to mine which is in the agenda?
[07:11] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): None from me
[07:11] Cadence Theas: Timo?
[07:11] Timo Gufler: no, not from me
[07:11] Cadence Theas: ok
[07:12] Cadence Theas: I would like to mention a concern and invite everyone to opinionate
[07:12] Cadence Theas: I am concerned about the huge misconceptions about the LUC which are appearing in conversation and the forum
[07:13] Timo Gufler nods
[07:13] Cadence Theas whispers: conceptions which do not reflect the intent of the lUC
[07:13] Cadence Theas is challenged with the key board this morning
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[07:13] Em Warden (mothercard.warden):
[07:14] Cadence Theas: so, the invitation is is for all of us to express opinions and ideas about the LUC
[07:14] Cadence Theas: remember to use the SPR
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[07:15] Widget Whiteberry wonders is 'all of us' refers only (or first) to RA members.
[07:15] Timo Gufler tries remember use it despite of his blindness
[07:15] Cadence Theas: Calli
[07:15] Callipygian Christensen: It's hard to comment on huge misconceptions unless they are identified. What exactly are they?
[07:16] Cadence Theas: ok
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[07:16] Cadence Theas: one is the actual relationship of the LUC to the executive branch
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[07:16] Cadence Theas: one is the nature of the LUC's authority
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[07:17] Cadence Theas: one is the collective nature of the LUC and the perception of individual power and manipulation
[07:17] Cadence Theas: these are all things that have come up in the forum
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[07:17] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): WB Rosie
[07:17] Cadence Theas: there is also the perception that the LUC is a knee-jerk reaction from the incompetence of the previous administration
[07:19] Cadence Theas: those are some of the issues, Calli
[07:19] Cadence Theas: I have tried to respond to them in the forum
[07:19] Cadence Theas: but it is as though people only read parts of the answer
[07:21] Cadence Theas: how do we clear this up, so that the function and operational procedure of the LUC is clear?
[07:21] Cadence Theas: Em
[07:22] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Perhaps we could publish the intentions and powers of all working commissions somewhere
[07:22] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Done
[07:23] Cadence Theas: these are defined by the RA in the motion that identifies the commissions
[07:23] Cadence Theas: they in turn within those parameters refine these
[07:23] Cadence Theas: but yes, we could publish them
[07:23] Cadence Theas: Calli
[07:23] Callipygian Christensen: The law says:
[07:24] Callipygian Christensen: called the CDS Land-Use Commission (hereinafter called “the Commission”), to advise
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[07:24] Callipygian Christensen: The purpose of this commission is to form a group of experts to advise
[07:24] Callipygian Christensen: Nothing in this document, however, shall allow the commission to make law
[07:24] Callipygian Christensen: and so on..'advise'
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[07:26] Callipygian Christensen: Ithink tht some of the confusion may have come from comments regarding intention to change that from advise to 'enforce', giving the LUC powers that belong to the Chancellor..but as the law stands, imo, the LUC is an advisory borad,tasked with specific areas, reporting to the RA and Chancellor
[07:27] Callipygian Christensen: So post the law , point those things out, and that should adress most concerns?
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[07:27] Cadence Theas: WIdget then Rosie then me
[07:27] Widget Whiteberry: I also think the idea of changing the status of the LUC is at the base of the problem... and premature
[07:27] Widget Whiteberry: done
[07:27] Cadence Theas: Rosie
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[07:28] Rosie Gray: I don't know where the idea has arisen that the LUC has tried to create any laws
[07:28] Rosie Gray: I think the mission of the LUC is pretty clear, myself
[07:29] Rosie Gray: there does seem to be some issues of interpretation on procedures though
[07:29] Rosie Gray: and, speaking from the LUC right now, we are down 2 people (which I hope will be addressed with this meeting)
[07:30] Rosie Gray: I think there have been some kind of knee jerk reactions based on drafted documents
[07:30] Rosie Gray: that there was really no need for
[07:31] Rosie Gray: and that because the Chancellor has not been available during the times that the LUC was trying to execute its mandate, to discuss procedures
[07:31] Rosie Gray: the LUC forged ahead
[07:31] Rosie Gray: I think that's about where the commission is right now
[07:31] Rosie Gray: done
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[07:32] Cadence Theas: ok, me then Josie
[07:32] Josie Cooperstone (josephine.fotherington): I clicked this for Coop - he is on a mobile device
[07:32] Cadence Theas: I am going to take a slightly more polemical take on this
[07:32] Cadence Theas: (ok Josie)
[07:32] Cadence Theas: when the law was first proposed, I had hoped it would have a regulatory function within the executive branck
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[07:33] Cadence Theas: this did not happen, and it is an advisory commission
[07:34] Cadence Theas: the part that worries me is six citizens taking a lot of time from their rl, dedicated themsleves to issues of building covenants and landscaping to have the possibility that all this work is just ignored byt the chancellor of the moment
[07:34] Cadence Theas: if we t hink of the LUC as the mandate of the chancellor, a neutral commission that ensures the aesthetic viability of CDS regardless of the chancellor, then its advisory capacity should be strengthened
[07:35] Cadence Theas: not to make law as Rosie said, but to ensure compliance with existing law, from a plural collective perspective and not from a single person who is in office for six months
[07:35] Cadence Theas: this is not directed against any one chancellor
[07:35] Cadence Theas: and the idea occurred to me before we had to suffer the Xigalias
[07:36] Cadence Theas: so this is not a punative measure, rather one that is designed to keep CDS as a quality sim
[07:36] Cadence Theas: done
[07:36] Cadence Theas: Coop
[07:36] Cadence Theas: then Widget
[07:37] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): Here is my concern, and my frustration. the law was discussed and passed, and only after the fact did anyone notice. The LUC forged ahead with the mandate it was given.
[07:38] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): The Chancellor then decided to pull the brake lever, and was not willing (from my perspective) to meet with or discuss said mandate. Yes the LUC was advisory in capacity as designed.
[07:39] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): So basically the law is in effect, and the members were basically told 'Glad you did all that work, but it doesn't matter'
[07:40] Cadence Theas: are you done Coop?
[07:40] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): almost
[07:40] Cadence Theas:
[07:40] Cadence Theas: np
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[07:41] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): Done for now. Connection is draggy
[07:41] Cadence Theas: ty
[07:41] Cadence Theas: Widget then me
[07:41] Widget Whiteberry: Madam LRA, given your intentions, it would have made sense to engage a handful of past Chancellors in the effort, so that the LUC could have been presented as you've just described. As it is, the LUC, especially with your announced intention to consider making it regulatory, can be perceived as a foil for the Executive rather than an arm of the Executive.
[07:42] Widget Whiteberry: And I think that is the heart of the problem. Done
[07:42] Cadence Theas: ty
[07:42] Cadence Theas: let me see if I can make it clearer my concern
[07:42] Cadence Theas: it was an example I gave in the forum
[07:42] Cadence Theas: about having building decisions in the hands of just one person who changes every six months
[07:43] Cadence Theas: Bags, when she was chancellor started imposing convenant all over CDS
[07:43] Cadence Theas: when she herself was in violation with her library in LA
[07:43] Cadence Theas: when this was pointed out to her, she said that Tor, as chancellor, approved it
[07:44] Cadence Theas: this means that between one administration and the next ALL of the aesthetic decision making power is in the hands of one person often who is not an historical architect
[07:44] Cadence Theas: the LUC is not a law maker
[07:44] Cadence Theas: it is an entity that would function just like the chancellor and make these sorts of decision according to the law
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[07:45] Cadence Theas: the advantage of having six people from all walks of CDS means that no single political tendency can make vindictve political decision about builds
[07:45] Cadence Theas: on one hand,
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[07:45] Cadence Theas: and on the other by having a rotating membership where anyone can be a part of it, it means that we all have a vested interest in the impartial working of the LUC
[07:45] Cadence Theas: as it is right now
[07:46] Cadence Theas: the chancellor can say, as Coop suggested, thanks but you are wasting your time
[07:46] Cadence Theas: so when I say regulatory it does not mean law making
[07:46] Cadence Theas: done
[07:46] Cadence Theas: Calli then Gauis
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[07:47] Callipygian Christensen: With all due respect Madame LRA, you brought this topic up to address misconceptions about the law as it stands, but you are stil speaking to 'why I think the LUC should be regulatory'. I suggest this is going to add to the uproar, not deal with it. I suggest that dropping the dream of the future and focussing on what *is* would be a better approach.
[07:48] Cadence Theas: what is is a waste of time for six citizens
[07:49] Callipygian Christensen: My suggeston would be that the RA ask the Chancellor and LUC to meet, discuss *their* perceptions, and move on form there.
[07:49] Callipygian Christensen: done
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[07:49] Cadence Theas: that would be a good idea
[07:49] Cadence Theas: Gauis then we move on with the meeting
[07:49] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Oh! Then you don't need my concern then. ㋡
[07:50] Timo Gufler smiles
[07:50] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I was going to tell you that we've been discussing this for 40 minutes and have exhausted the topic.
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[07:50] Cadence Theas: ok, onto old business
[07:50] Cadence Theas: The chancellor provided a copy of the budget
[07:50] Cadence Theas: is there a motion to approve the budget for the 22nd term?
[07:51] Timo Gufler: move
[07:51] Cadence Theas: second?
[07:51] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): second
[07:51] Cadence Theas: is there any discussion before we vote? Pat addresses the concerns expressed in the forum about some items
[07:51] Cadence Theas: in his notecard
[07:52] Cadence Theas: if there is no discussion then can we vote on the budget
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[07:52] Cadence Theas: Gauis, Timo?
[07:52] Timo Gufler: no comments
[07:53] Cadence Theas: can we vote, please
[07:53] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): aye
[07:53] Timo Gufler: aye
[07:53] Cadence Theas: aye
[07:53] Cadence Theas: the budget is approved
[07:53] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Two months later...
[07:53] Cadence Theas: the next item is the Law Review COmmittee recommendations
[07:54] Cadence Theas: after Calli's admonishment, I am assuming that we have all read the laws that are implicated
[07:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker) nods.
[07:54] Cadence Theas: is there a motion to accept the recommendations of the Law Review Committee?
[07:54] Timo Gufler: yes, move
[07:55] Cadence Theas: is there a second?
[07:55] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): second...
[07:55] Cadence Theas: is there any discussion before we vote?
[07:55] Timo Gufler: the schedule looks good, no further comments
[07:55] Cadence Theas: Gauis?
[07:55] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): None here
[07:55] Cadence Theas: ty
[07:56] Cadence Theas: then can we please vote on the motion to accept the recommendations of the Law Review Committee and the list of laws to be repealed and articles to be ammended
[07:57] Cadence Theas: said laws appear in the viewtopic links in the agenda
[07:57] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): aye
[07:57] Timo Gufler: aye
[07:57] Cadence Theas: aye with a thank you to the Law Review Committee for their outstanding work
[07:57] Cadence Theas: the motion carries
[07:58] Cadence Theas: the next item I think would require a greate number of RA members
[07:58] Cadence Theas: with just three members present it is hard to talk about commissions and their mandates
[07:58] Timo Gufler nods
[07:58] Cadence Theas: having said that I do think it is urgent that we work on the new sim tier schedule and covenant approval
[07:59] Cadence Theas: are we in agreement about holding off on 4.3?
[07:59] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I am
[07:59] Timo Gufler: I agree on that
[08:00] Cadence Theas: ok, it will be left for the next RA meeting
[08:01] Cadence Theas: Item 4.4. Pat asked me have us clarify the term executive in the Omnibus New Region Expansion act
[08:01] Cadence Theas: he wanted to know if it referred soley to the chancellor
[08:02] Cadence Theas: Calli, could you intervene for a moment and talk to the importance of clarifying this
[08:02] Callipygian Christensen: Certainly - and first I'll point out that Pat is actually asking the wrong people to clarify
[08:03] Callipygian Christensen: Once the law exists, what you 'meant' it to say becomes 'what does it say'
[08:03] Callipygian Christensen: and that is the SC's problem to deal with.
[08:03] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker) nods.
[08:03] Callipygian Christensen: So..in my personal opinion, but I would expect the rest of the SC to see it the same way, the Consitution states:
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[08:04] Callipygian Christensen: The Chancellor will serve as the executive of CDS,
[08:04] Callipygian Christensen: So to me, wherever the law says 'the Executive' it is referring to the Chancellor
[08:04] Callipygian Christensen: done
[08:04] Cadence Theas: Josie
[08:04] Cadence Theas: or Coop
[08:04] Cadence Theas:
[08:04] Josie Cooperstone (josephine.fotherington): Again I have clicked for Coop
[08:05] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): The law was written based on existing precedents.
[08:05] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): It was put up for review on the forum, it was reviewed by the team on the Law Review.
[08:06] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): No one commented on it much before it was passed, and now it seems to be an issue...
[08:06] Cadence Theas: Coop, just a correction, it is not an issue
[08:06] Cadence Theas: Pat simply wanted a clarification
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[08:09] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): I know. Calli said it. Done
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[08:09] Cadence Theas: Gauis, I think that the law was written with the intent that Calli mentioned
[08:09] Cadence Theas: Gauis
[08:09] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Ah.
[08:09] Widget Whiteberry goes to read the Omnibus Bill, searching for "Executive Branch"
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[08:10] Cadence Theas: ok, we can move onto new business
[08:11] Cadence Theas: the first item is to accept or not the nomination of Em and AbbyRose to the LUC to replace Leslie and Josie
[08:12] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to accept the nomination of Em and Abby to the LUC?
[08:12] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So moved
[08:12] Cadence Theas: second?
[08:12] Timo Gufler: second
[08:12] Cadence Theas: is there any discussion?
[08:12] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): None here
[08:13] Cadence Theas: Em, would you like to say somthing
[08:13] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): me expresses her gratitude of the confidence
[08:13] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker) smiles
[08:13] Cadence Theas: ty
[08:13] Rosie Gray: ··•°•··..☺ Applauds! ☺ ..··•°•··..
[08:13] Timo Gufler claps
[08:13] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): I will do my best to live up to expectations
[08:14] Cadence Theas: can we please vote on the acceptance of EM and Abby to the LUC
[08:14] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Aye!
[08:14] Timo Gufler: AYE!
[08:14] Cadence Theas: aye, the motion carries
[08:14] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): clap clap clap
[08:14] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): clap clap clap
[08:14] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): clap clap clap
[08:14] Timo Gufler: welcome to LUC, Em and Abby
[08:14] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[08:14] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Thank you
[08:14] Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
[08:14] Cadence Theas: the next item is a bill sponsored by Gauis, there is a copy in the iris box
[08:15] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker) clears his throat.
[08:15] Cadence Theas: do I hear a motion to discuss the Act to establish diplomatic relations?
[08:15] Cadence Theas: a motion?
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[08:16] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Do we need a motion to discuss?
[08:16] Cadence Theas: yes
[08:16] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So moved
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[08:16] Cadence Theas: I second
[08:16] Cadence Theas: the floor is yours Gauis
[08:16] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Thank you. ㋡
[08:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This act is inspired from Em who was told to contact me by Rosie.
[08:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): The act is actually rather simple.
[08:17] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): It regulates inter-estate embassies that spring up in the CDS by controlling the appellation of the term "embassy."
[08:18] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): In other words, an embassy is not an embassy if one specific criterion isn't met: that the embassy is accepted on the receiving terriory.
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[08:18] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Territory, rather.
[08:19] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This hasn't been important before, but some now have concerns over this sort of realistic regulation of the term.
[08:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): The act requires that people establishing embassies do so from an actual legalistic position.
[08:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): That is, they must present a letter of credence from one estate owner to the RA.
[08:20] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): And the RA must approve them.
[08:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This is an important function of any micronation's diplomacy, and I would like to thank Em for bringing the concern to me.
[08:21] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Done.
[08:21] Cadence Theas: Calli
[08:21] Cadence Theas: then Josie
[08:22] Callipygian Christensen: Is this only a motion to discuss , or is there intent to actually vote on this today?
[08:22] Cadence Theas: I think there are some questions that need to be answered.
[08:22] Cadence Theas: it is a motion to discuss
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[08:22] Cadence Theas: and now we are inquorate
[08:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): We can still discuss.
[08:23] Cadence Theas: yes
[08:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I suspect Timo will come back
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[08:23] Cadence Theas: did you want to add to the discussion Calli?
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[08:23] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): WB Timo
[08:23] Callipygian Christensen: No, just wanted to make sure no vote was planned on unpublished Bill
[08:24] Callipygian Christensen: done
[08:24] Cadence Theas: Josie
[08:24] Josie Cooperstone (josephine.fotherington): once again I have clicked for Coop
[08:24] Cadence Theas: Coop
[08:25] Cadence Theas:
[08:25] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): My question was in the first section are we only discussing outside estates setting up within CDS?
[08:25] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): The second question was if you grandfather existing ones, why pass the law?
[08:26] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): Done
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[08:26] Cadence Theas: Gauis, do you want to answer that?
[08:26] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Thank you for your questions, Coop. ㋡
[08:26] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): As it stands in the preamble and referenced in Article 1 (a), yes we are discussing inter-estate relations.
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[08:27] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): outbound or inbound?
[08:27] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Inbound: it regulates so-called diplomatic missions to the CDS.
[08:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): As to your second question, we can not pass ex post facto laws, so it would grandfather in embassies regardless.
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[08:28] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): However, the need is still pressing.
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[08:29] Cadence Theas: I have a question
[08:29] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Just speaking with someone last night, other estates' impressions of the CDS are rather negative. This provides a way to regulate those interactions.
[08:29] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): Can you not pass ex post facto?
[08:29] Widget Whiteberry agrees with Coop ... why can’t we pass laws to cover problems that have arisen?
[08:30] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Well, it's sort of unconstitutional.
[08:30] Widget Whiteberry looks at Calli
[08:31] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I am not certain what the CDS constitution says precisely, but the practice is a legal taboo.
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[08:32] Cadence Theas: I have a question that might also be for Calli to answer
[08:32] Cadence Theas: are not embassies and the approval of ambassadors a function of the executive branch?
[08:32] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): In a real world situation, they would be.
[08:33] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): However, the CDS constitution does not grant the Chancellor the powers of a head of state.
[08:33] Cadence Theas: all the RA would do is approve what is arranged at the executive branch level
[08:33] Cadence Theas: nor to the RA
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[08:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): That is true, nor to us. H
[08:35] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So, that can be changed.
[08:36] Cadence Theas: Perhaps you should consult with the SC, since we have also been counseled with the idea of being more precise in our language in the laws
[08:36] Cadence Theas: so they actually reflect the intent
[08:36] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Yes, I will do that. ㋡
[08:36] Cadence Theas: then you can post it in the forum
[08:37] Cadence Theas: and we can vote on it next meeting
[08:37] Cadence Theas: Lets take advantage that Timo is on line
[08:37] Cadence Theas: and discuss the authorization of the LUC and chancellor to open a competition to rebuild the CN Thermae
[08:38] Timo Gufler: sorry, my network has problems
[08:38] Cadence Theas: is there a motion to discuss and authorize said competition
[08:38] Cadence Theas: np Timo
[08:38] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So moved
[08:38] Cadence Theas: I second it
[08:38] Timo Gufler: second
[08:38] Cadence Theas: Gauis do you want to talk about this
[08:38] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Sure!
[08:39] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This term, one of our legislative projects is to renovate the CDS's public infrastructure and our public building.
[08:39] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This competition will provide a way in which we can realise that goal one step at a time.
[08:40] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): This open competition will allow builders to rebuild the dated and primmy CN Baths and to make them into a more modern, more extravagant public building.
[08:41] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): It is also a way in which present political issues surrounding the LUC can be resolved by having the Chancellor work with the LUC.
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[08:42] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): So, both the explicit and latent results of this competition will be beneficial for the estate.
[08:42] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Done.
[08:42] Cadence Theas: Widget then me
[08:42] Widget Whiteberry: How many prims and scripts are currently used in the baths? Are you specifying goals for reduced numbers?
[08:42] Widget Whiteberry: done
[08:42] Widget Whiteberry: oh wait
[08:42] Widget Whiteberry: any other specific condiditiions? ok, done now
[08:43] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): The Colonia Nova Thermae, or baths, were created in October 2006 by Antonius Camus. The baths are made of 553 l.i. on a parcel 1344m² large and with a capacity of 307 l.i.. This building is under used and sees 0 traffic; this building is used officially for only the announcement of electoral results, an event that happened last May in 2014.
[08:43] Cadence Theas: Gauis?
[08:43] RG Cooperstone (roguegeek.cooperstone): The Thermae is built in sections
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[08:44] Lilith Ivory: HI everybody
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[08:44] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): As to conditions, I was watiing for this opportunity to speak of them.
[08:44] Em Warden (mothercard.warden): Hello Lilith
[08:44] Rosie Gray: hi Lilith ㋡
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[08:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): The primary concern I believe is certainly saving prims, as technology has advanced since 2006 when the baths were built.
[08:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): We can mesh, sculpt, convex hull...
[08:45] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Done.
[08:45] Cadence Theas: I think before the competition can be opened, there needs to be the meeting between the LUC and the chancellor. Because at this point, the LUC has not defining role.
[08:46] Cadence Theas: I would make the approval contingent on the meeting between the LUC and the chancellor
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[08:47] Cadence Theas: would that be acceptable?
[08:47] Cadence Theas: authorization of the competition contingent on the meeting between the LUC and the chancellor?
[08:47] Widget Whiteberry: Purpose of that meeting?
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[08:48] Cadence Theas: to do what Calli suggested to resolve the impasse between the LUC and the chancellor
[08:48] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I agree, though the renovation of our public infrastructure is, in my opinion, more important than mediating a conflict in our constitution.
[08:48] Cadence Theas: the mediation would make the renovation possible
[08:49] Cadence Theas: otherwise we will have conflicting interests at play
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[08:49] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Only if we allow the condition to stand, otherwise the wording of the law allows the Chancellor to act on his own.
[08:49] Widget Whiteberry: If the RA is going to give direction to the LUC and Chancello with regars to the baths, I suggest being explicit about outcomes.
[08:49] Cadence Theas: clearly it is in everyone's interest for the chancellor and LUC to meet as soon as possible
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[08:50] Cadence Theas: outcomes in terms of land impact?
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[08:51] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I have sincere concerns aboutt hat happening, considering it has taken the Chancellor two months to give us his budget.
[08:51] Widget Whiteberry: In this instance, what decisions do you wish the chancellor and luc to make together?
[08:52] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): In this instance, it is for the LUC to exercise its lawful powers: to advise the Chancellor.
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[08:52] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Advise as per the dynamics of a competition, the parameters set, etc.
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[08:53] Widget Whiteberry: and for the Chancellor to implement, having taking LUC advice into account?
[08:53] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Yes, to organise a competition.
[08:54] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): One in which the RA can approve.
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[08:54] Cadence Theas: I move that we authorize that the chancellor and LUC organize a competition to replace the CN Thermae, pursuant to a meeting between the LUC and chancellor to organize their relationship in a functional manner.
[08:54] Cadence Theas: this would also facilitate future rennovations
[08:55] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): It would certainly iron out the procedure
[08:55] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I second
[08:55] Cadence Theas: ty
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[08:55] Cadence Theas: np Calli
[08:56] Cadence Theas: can we vote on the motion
[08:56] Timo Gufler: aye
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[08:56] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): aye
[08:56] Cadence Theas: aye, the motion carries
[08:57] Cadence Theas: I will try from the RA to organize as quickly as possible the LUC/chancellor meeting
[08:57] Cadence Theas: before we adjourn, I want to express my concern about the existing commissions and the frequency with which they are meeting if at all
[08:58] Callipygian Christensen waves her hand
[08:58] Cadence Theas: Calli
[08:59] Callipygian Christensen: I realize the perception of my commentsmy be that I am grumpy, admonishing, or whatever, but so be it. YOu just passed a motion saying 'we want this, but only after those parties meet'..
[08:59] Callipygian Christensen: and then that the LRA will try to arrange the meeting.
[08:59] Cadence Theas: the LRA part is not in the motion
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[09:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): Cadence is just facilitating the conversation, iirc.
[09:00] Callipygian Christensen: Meetings like that are for those involved to man up, grow up, and get on with. In m opinion the RA should be passing 'hold a competition', then smacking them all with a stick if they don't get on with it.
[09:00] Callipygian Christensen: Done.
[09:00] Cadence Theas: I disagree Calli
[09:00] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): I have worse things than a stick if they mess this up. ㋡
[09:00] Cadence Theas: I do not see the point of passing a law that then plays out in the forum with a lot of condemning language
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[09:01] Cadence Theas: I would rather the law stipulate that they resolve issues and then work towards a common goal
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[09:01] Cadence Theas: the common goal often is not common enough or strong enough to bring the sort of harmony we need
[09:02] Cadence Theas: done
[09:02] Callipygian Christensen: You didnt actually pass a 'law'..this is an administraitve motion directing the Executive etc to take action.
[09:02] Cadence Theas: yes to the clarification
[09:03] Cadence Theas: but that action is contingent
[09:03] Callipygian Christensen: I would just like 'representational' democracy to come back into style..you guys represent, and if people dont like it, they dont vote for you next time - Forum input is input, not gospel.
[09:04] Timo Gufler: how many of us were voted to RA this term?
[09:04] Cadence Theas: I think you are mischaracterizing the RA, but that can be discussed out of this chamber
[09:04] Cadence Theas: I move that we adjourn
[09:04] Timo Gufler: second
[09:04] Cadence Theas: please vote
[09:05] Gaius Tiberius Curio (guillaume.mistwalker): aye
[09:05] Timo Gufler: aye
[09:05] Cadence Theas: aye
[09:05] Cadence Theas: thank you for coming
[09:05] Timo Gufler: thank you for chairing, Cadence