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Brain Storming Solutions to Locus Amoenus

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Last October 6th, after the scheduled RA meeting was declared inquorate, members of RA and citizens met in the Chancellor's conference room for an impromptu discussion regarding Locus Amoenus. The meeting was an opportunity for the Chancellor to discuss the financial impact of vacant parcels in CDS, and LA in particular. This sparked a bit of brain storming upon what can be done to make Locus Amoenus more competitive in the Second Life market place.

Some suggested change to a Mediterranean theme along the lines of Neufreistadt which is a post-modern medieval village. This might allow more latitude in builds and spark more interest. Also, there was some interest in providing a water sim with small islands in keeping with the maritime character of LA. Finally, there was some discussion on modifications made to parcelling and terraforming.

However, the main result was the Chancellor and those present requested that CDS hold several regional meetings to discuss and report on the problems and possible solutions to the decline in Locus Amoenus.

It is my lucky job, to hold these meetings. Probably I will try to have several in the next few weeks in order to accommodate all the people of CDS especially those who live in the Roman regions. Naturally, all will be welcome to attend or comment on the forum as the health of one region concerns all of CDS.

The transcripts of the October 6th meeting follow:

[9:56] Trebor Warcliffe: Shep you ok with that?
[9:56] Rosie Gray: but maybe we should go somewhere else?
[9:56] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
[9:56] Trebor Warcliffe: lets go to my house
[9:56] Trebor Warcliffe: actually the office in CN
[9:56] Shep Titian: well I like to think the bears kept him as a pet .. but he was never seen again :)
[9:56] Lilith Ivory smiles
[9:56] Trebor Warcliffe: C12 second floor
[9:57] Close Range: Rosie Gray [21m]
[9:57] Long Range: Rosie Gray [43m]
[9:57] Chat Range: Rosie Gray [6m]
[9:58] Alexia Carnell is Offline
[9:58] Rosie Gray: wow
[9:58] Rosie Gray: a table for giants
[9:58] Lilith Ivory: wow indeed!
[9:58] Object: Hi Lilith Ivory! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[9:59] Trebor Warcliffe: I am terribly laggy today
[9:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok folks
[9:59] Shep Titian: Like the boardroom vibe Treb
[9:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Lilith has brougt up a topic I've been tryign to avoid LOL.
[9:59] Trebor Warcliffe: TY
[9:59] Lilith Ivory grins innocently
[9:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Got a great deal on this stuff
[9:59] Rosie Gray: hahhaha
[9:59] Rosie Gray: oh good!
[10:00] Trebor Warcliffe: 295 for the whole set regular price was like 2500
[10:00] Rosie Gray: well it's all out of scale
[10:00] Alexia Carnell is Online
[10:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok who here has been looking at the financial statements?
[10:00] Shep Titian: Ah from that warehouse place
[10:01] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Shep the day you went shopping with me.
[10:01] Shep Titian: Not me
[10:01] NemoIdaho Resident is Offline
[10:01] KATANA Zuzu is Offline
[10:01] Shep Titian: But I have wondered
[10:01] Trebor Warcliffe: Rosie? Lil?
[10:01] Vladimir Gabardini is Online
[10:01] Lilith Ivory: yes?
[10:02] Rosie Gray: ?
[10:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Have you looked at teh financial statements?
[10:02] Rosie Gray: nope
[10:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok
[10:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Here's the good news.
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: I can´t see internet content with my old viewer
[10:02] Loretta Masukami is Online
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: in case it´s on this screen
[10:02] Trebor Warcliffe: We have not had to dip into our reserves for wither one of my terms.
[10:03] Rosie Gray: clap clap clap
[10:03] Rosie Gray: yay
[10:03] Shep Titian: Well done
[10:03] Lilith Ivory applauds
[10:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Now give me a second to open my paperwork
[10:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Dont start applauding yet
[10:03] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:03] Trebor Warcliffe: We have a problem that needs to be addressed
[10:03] Rosie Gray: lol, okay
[10:03] Shep Titian: k
[10:03] Vladimir Gabardini is Offline
[10:04] Tor Karlsvalt is Online
[10:04] Loretta Masukami is Offline
[10:04] Trebor Warcliffe: Out of 10 months we have only made a profit 3 of those months.
[10:04] Khisme Nitely is Offline
[10:05] Trebor Warcliffe: The main reason is lack of tier moreso than our expenses besides tier.
[10:05] Shep Titian: does'nt surprise me
[10:05] Rosie Gray: but if we didn't have to dip into our reserves,
[10:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Some months just looking at tier we have not collected as much as we pay out. Add to that events and other things and we have a loss
[10:05] Rosie Gray: how come?
[10:05] Elaine Jacobus is Online
[10:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Because we have enough in operating funds to absorb the loss.
[10:06] Long Range: Tor Karlsvalt [73m]
[10:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Give me a second adn Ill post the gain/loss for this years 10 moths
[10:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Dec 2011 to Sep 2012
[10:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok
[10:07] Loretta Masukami is Online
[10:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Dec gain $21.74
[10:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Jan loss $55.02
[10:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Feb loss $286.64
[10:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Mar gain 19.63
[10:08] Chat Range: Tor Karlsvalt [6m]
[10:08:13] Trebor Warcliffe: April loss 203.54
[10:08:14] Lilith Ivory: does anybody mind if I TP Tor in?
[10:08:18] Rosie Gray: we're here Tor
[10:08:25] Trebor Warcliffe: bring him in
[10:08:26] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:08:27] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:08:31] Rosie Gray: sorry I already did
[10:08:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Boy the chancellor really gets nice digs
[10:08:49] Trebor Warcliffe: May gain 116.79 (that was our best month so far)
[10:08:52] Tanoujin Milestone is online.
[10:08:57] Tor Karlsvalt: They gave me a phone on the florr in the schloss
[10:09:04] Trebor Warcliffe: June loss 74.88
[10:09:04] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:09:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Julky loss 52.56
[10:09:18] Object: Hi Tor Karlsvalt! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[10:09:19] Trebor Warcliffe: Aug loss 345.98
[10:09:36] Trebor Warcliffe: Sep loss 273.12
[10:09:36] Rosie Gray: question Treb
[10:09:40] Trebor Warcliffe: total year to date as of Sept 30th loss of 746.54
[10:09:44] Trebor Warcliffe: Done
[10:09:47] Lizzo Dreamscape is online.
[10:09:50] Rosie Gray: are these losses on tier ?
[10:09:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Sorry
[10:09:56] Trebor Warcliffe: thats wrong
[10:10:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Year to date loss 1133.58
[10:10:21] Trebor Warcliffe: No
[10:10:38] Trebor Warcliffe: These numbers reflect total gaion or loss on everything
[10:10:52] Glasz DeCuir is online.
[10:11:03] Rosie Gray: so if there were no events, purchases, etc.
[10:11:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Where the loss is greatest is in the tier departemnt
[10:11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes USD
[10:11:24] Rosie Gray: would there be a loss still?
[10:11:24] Tor Karlsvalt: This is USD?
[10:11:24] Trebor Warcliffe: We'd still have a small loss
[10:11:26] Rosie Gray: hiya Tan
[10:11:36] Tanoujin Milestone: Hello dear Folks :)
[10:11:44] Trebor Warcliffe: Hi Tan sit down and relax
[10:11:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Tan
[10:11:46] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tan :)
[10:11:46] Trebor Warcliffe: If you like I have all of this broken down into a spreadsheet I can email
[10:11:57] Trebor Warcliffe: You can see each department
[10:12:02] Tanoujin Milestone: :) do not let me interrupt you
[10:12:03] Trebor Warcliffe: What was spent what was earned
[10:12:08] Rosie Gray: sure that would be useful Treb... or couldn't you just post on google docs and send invite to us?
[10:12:24] Trebor Warcliffe: Good idea give me a second to post it
[10:12:46] Tor Karlsvalt: Can you post it on a prim, here?
[10:13:07] Tor Karlsvalt: I suppose it would have to be on a website tho?
[10:13:14] Lilith Ivory: I can`t see things posted on a prim Tor :(
[10:13:22] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[10:13:28] Rosie Gray: easier to post to google docs
[10:13:29] Rosie Gray: I think
[10:14:32] Trebor Warcliffe: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8zbEv ... 3k0cjJYd0E
[10:14:44] Trebor Warcliffe: Probably want to DL it to Excel adn open that way
[10:14:55] Trebor Warcliffe: I'll give everyoen a few minutes to digest everything
[10:15:24] Shep (shep.titian): Hello those I missed turn up .. I had to text
[10:15:24] Rosie Gray: I can see it fine this way
[10:15:55] Tanoujin Milestone: Hi Shep :)
[10:16:06] Tor Karlsvalt: i see it fine
[10:16:41] Rosie Gray: wow, so August was a huge loss
[10:16:52] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes
[10:17:00] Trebor Warcliffe: With tier it seems to run in cycles
[10:17:12] Udo Swashbuckler is offline.
[10:17:13] Trebor Warcliffe: Reason being people can pay up to 3 months in advance
[10:17:31] Trebor Warcliffe: So you're not collecting money for each month in that month
[10:17:34] Jo Renierd is offline.
[10:17:46] Trebor Warcliffe: We're still earning the tier its just paid differently
[10:18:16] Trebor Warcliffe: If you look at tier collected the average for the year to date is roughly $35 short a month
[10:18:19] Rosie Gray: is it calculated on here by the month that it's due on?
[10:18:26] Trebor Warcliffe: No
[10:18:30] Tor Karlsvalt: But then tier paid in advance is a liability for CDS really.
[10:18:42] Rosie Gray: why?
[10:18:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Everything you see here is based on actual funds earned and spent
[10:18:58] Tor Karlsvalt: We owe it to the citizen
[10:19:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Tor in accounting terms yes BUT we use a cash basis accounting system not an accrued
[10:19:19] Object whispers: Reading Data...
[10:19:22] Object whispers: 5 sits Read. Ready.
[10:19:22] Object whispers: Memory: 100
[10:19:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Honestly though that has nothing to do with our situation
[10:20:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Any other questions?
[10:21:07] Tor Karlsvalt: So do you think some are just pulling out for the summer?
[10:21:13] Trebor Warcliffe: No
[10:21:18] Tor Karlsvalt: or prepaying tier for the summer
[10:21:23] Trebor Warcliffe: Some people pay tier once every 90 days
[10:21:33] Rosie Gray: I prepaid for the summer
[10:21:38] Rosie Gray: probably others did too
[10:21:42] Trebor Warcliffe: For the year it all evens out
[10:21:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I could see paying tier forward in June and then not come back for two months.
[10:21:54] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah
[10:21:56] Trebor Warcliffe: Thats not a problem. We dont need to change our tier method
[10:22:09] Rosie Gray: yes I can't see that as a problem
[10:22:43] Calla Everdark (darkcallaflower) is online.
[10:22:46] Lilith Ivory: do we make loss in all Sims alike or are there ones which cause more problems than others?
[10:23:00] Trebor Warcliffe: It's what shows at the end of our 12 months
[10:23:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok Lil
[10:23:10] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:23:24] Trebor Warcliffe: When we changed the tier
[10:23:35] Shep (shep.titian): are the sims over a grand a month?
[10:23:39] Trebor Warcliffe: Webased the tier on prims
[10:23:41] Shep (shep.titian): each
[10:23:43] Trebor Warcliffe: yes $1,075
[10:23:48] Trebor Warcliffe: total
[10:24:01] Se7en Wirsing is online.
[10:24:42] Shep (shep.titian): right
[10:24:43] Rosie Gray: how does this compare to previous years?
[10:24:44] Trebor Warcliffe: And we're averaging $1030 a month in tier revenue
[10:25:11] Trebor Warcliffe: For the records I have that go back about 4 or 5 years this has been the worse year
[10:25:13] Shep (shep.titian): so we're more than breaking even ... just
[10:25:27] Trebor Warcliffe: This has also been the worse year for population
[10:25:43] Rosie Gray nods
[10:25:45] Trebor Warcliffe: Also
[10:25:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Old tier
[10:25:55] Shep (shep.titian): yes but think of RL constrictions atm
[10:26:11] Trebor Warcliffe: our breakeven point was about 65%
[10:26:21] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, the economy has been bad for the last four years.
[10:26:21] Trebor Warcliffe: with our lower tier it is up around 80%
[10:26:30] Rosie Gray: right
[10:26:37] Tor Karlsvalt: population is up?
[10:26:37] Trebor Warcliffe: That was why we lowered our tier to be more competitive
[10:26:41] Trebor Warcliffe: Down
[10:27:04] Rosie Gray: breakeven point, Tor
[10:27:05] Tanoujin Milestone: no, tor, the break even point is up
[10:27:12] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[10:27:25] Lilith Ivory: it changes from 65% to 80% right?
[10:27:37] Trebor Warcliffe: It changed over a year ago
[10:27:38] Lily Swindlehurst is online.
[10:27:41] Calla Everdark (darkcallaflower) is offline.
[10:27:48] Trebor Warcliffe: when we instituted our lower tier
[10:27:55] Rosie Gray nods
[10:27:58] Trebor Warcliffe: 3.25 single prim 512sqm
[10:27:59] Tor Karlsvalt: Some have more land I think. I notice Pat has a large parcel.
[10:28:12] Trebor Warcliffe: 6.50 double prim 512sqm
[10:28:20] Tor Karlsvalt: Raise the tier, we might see some constriction.
[10:28:31] Rosie Gray: LA still has lots of unrented plots
[10:28:33] Trebor Warcliffe: No
[10:28:37] Trebor Warcliffe: afk
[10:28:42] Calla Everdark (darkcallaflower) is online.
[10:28:47] Tor Karlsvalt: LA does
[10:28:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Give me a second guys
[10:28:54] Lilith Ivory: imo LA is our worst problem and we need to find out what to do with it
[10:28:54] Tor Karlsvalt: And that is our expensive sim.
[10:28:55] Rosie Gray: personally I don't think raising the tier would help at all
[10:29:02] Trebor Warcliffe: No we cant raise tier
[10:29:04] Rosie Gray: I agree Lilith
[10:29:08] Trebor Warcliffe: ABSOLUTLY NOT
[10:29:18] Tor Karlsvalt: no raising tier might cause some to reduce parcels.
[10:29:29] Lilith Ivory: if we raise tier we will most likely have more empty parcels
[10:29:39] Rosie Gray: indeed
[10:29:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Rosie, myself and Pat that i can see have more land now than before.
[10:29:52] Tanoujin Milestone: like sim city ;)
[10:29:58] Trebor Warcliffe: Remember our saving grace is our reserves. Thats why we're not in a panic mode
[10:29:59] LadyJ Celestalis is offline.
[10:29:59] Lilith Ivory: this might even make some citizens leave completely
[10:30:23] Rosie Gray: so we are agreed that raising tiers is not a good idea
[10:30:29] Tor Karlsvalt: We do have some who really like LA tho.
[10:30:36] Trebor Warcliffe: AGREed
[10:30:37] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, tier is out of the question, imo
[10:30:48] Trebor Warcliffe: Guys I have to go for about 10 minutes
[10:30:52] Rosie Gray: even NFS has some plots empty
[10:30:54] Tor Karlsvalt: k
[10:31:01] Trebor Warcliffe: Im leaving my window open
[10:31:01] Shep (shep.titian): lots of cheap land out there atm
[10:31:01] Lilith Ivory: ok
[10:31:04] Trebor Warcliffe: so i can get all the chat
[10:31:05] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:31:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Now that is new. NFS was always full
[10:31:14] Rosie Gray: kk Treb
[10:31:19] Shep (shep.titian): so no no increase in tier
[10:31:32] Tor Karlsvalt: parcels in NFS never stayed on the market more then days.
[10:31:32] LadyJ Celestalis is online.
[10:31:40] Trebor Warcliffe: 195
[10:31:41] Trebor Warcliffe: 195
[10:31:43] Rosie Gray: yes, so that is a change now
[10:31:45] Trebor Warcliffe: 295
[10:31:47] Trebor Warcliffe: 295
[10:31:52] Trebor Warcliffe: 90
[10:32:07] Rosie Gray: what are those numbers Treb?
[10:32:14] Tor Karlsvalt: sim tier to LL
[10:32:23] Rosie Gray: oh
[10:32:32] Tor Karlsvalt: NFS is discounted
[10:32:44] Tor Karlsvalt: so is CN
[10:32:49] Rosie Gray: does anyone know if all of the land unoccupied is reflected by the yellow land for sale?
[10:32:56] Tor Karlsvalt: AM and LA are 195
[10:33:03] Tor Karlsvalt: i mean 295
[10:33:14] Shep (shep.titian): theres the gypsy site
[10:33:22] Shep (shep.titian): nice plot
[10:33:25] Tanoujin Milestone: i took it, Shep
[10:33:26] Rosie Gray: oh right
[10:33:29] Shep (shep.titian): not for sale
[10:33:30] Rosie Gray: did you Tan!
[10:33:30] Tanoujin Milestone: do you want it? ;)
[10:33:37] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, and I noticed that Jon's place was locked on hippo.
[10:33:38] Shep (shep.titian): ah ok
[10:33:38] Rosie Gray: nice one
[10:33:45] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[10:34:05] Shep (shep.titian): used to be mine lol
[10:34:18] Tanoujin Milestone: Rosie, the crucial question is: which parcels do really generate tier... and that is not reflected by yellow map
[10:34:20] Rosie Gray: just looking at the Census data
[10:34:27] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we have some good news tho. When we are on Steam, SL might get more people.
[10:34:30] Rosie Gray: yes exactly Tan
[10:34:40] Rosie Gray: I dunno about that Tor
[10:34:47] Rosie Gray: I wouldn't particularly count on it
[10:34:54] Tor Karlsvalt: well we don't know, but it can't hurt.
[10:34:59] Rosie Gray: true
[10:35:33] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker) is online.
[10:35:35] Rosie Gray: looking at the Census data... some long term people, like Danton Sideways have arrears on all
[10:35:38] Tor Karlsvalt: I know we got one new citizen for Oktoberfest.
[10:36:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I see that about Danton. I think he might have lost interest.
[10:36:13] Lily Swindlehurst is offline.
[10:36:17] Lilith Ivory: some long term citizens have always problems tp pay their tier in time :(
[10:36:39] Lilith Ivory: Danton and John are our usual suspects lol
[10:36:41] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, I have noticed. I think we are too reticent to boot them .
[10:36:56] Lilith Ivory: but they use to pay us back sometimes later
[10:36:56] Lily Swindlehurst is online.
[10:37:01] Rosie Gray: does anyone contact them and say, hey, you need to pay up now?
[10:37:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I think Jon comes through.
[10:37:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Delia has some contact with Jon.
[10:37:15] Lilith Ivory: yes, Sudane usually does it herself
[10:37:34] Rosie Gray nods
[10:37:50] Tanoujin Milestone: with Jon , you have to ask Sudane... Jon runs the voting machines, do not forget to get a new one when you boot him
[10:37:58] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[10:38:03] Butterfly Seeder EasternTiger v1.7b: Butterfly Seeder switched on...
[10:38:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, we would be in a pickle.
[10:38:18] Rosie Gray: indeed!
[10:38:53] Tor Karlsvalt: So what do we do? Ideas?
[10:39:24] Tor Karlsvalt: Change themes? Use twitter and fb agressively?
[10:39:42] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[10:39:42] Tanoujin Milestone: Please set my LA parcels under water, would you?
[10:39:56] Lilith Ivory: I personally like the idea of changing the theme in LA from roman to mediteran
[10:40:03] Tor Karlsvalt: Ah, redo LA?
[10:40:05] Lilith Ivory: might bring more interested people
[10:40:13] Rosie Gray: well one of the problems, I think, is that some of the older builds take up so many prims, that there aren't many left for the person to use
[10:40:13] Lilith Ivory: but that´s just my opinion
[10:40:21] Tor Karlsvalt: I suspect it would too?
[10:40:29] Rosie Gray: I like that idea too Lilith
[10:40:38] Lilith Ivory: first of all I think we need a regional meeting to talk to the people who live there
[10:40:41] Tor Karlsvalt: not a question btw
[10:40:42] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:40:52] Rosie Gray: I've never particularly liked the strictly Roman theme
[10:40:53] Butterfly Seeder EasternTiger v1.7b: Seeder switched off..
[10:40:57] Tor Karlsvalt: and it needs more water.
[10:40:59] Lilith Ivory: me neither
[10:41:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Roman really never worked for us I think.
[10:41:22] Lilith Ivory: whe could make sky box parcels out of half the sim
[10:41:33] Rosie Gray: it's too confusing for people... it's not rp, but they need to have old roman buildings
[10:41:35] Rosie Gray: doesn't make sense
[10:41:41] Lilith Ivory: some people might be fine with it and we had water on the ground
[10:42:31] Tor Karlsvalt: We could lose the Time Machine.
[10:42:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Tho it isn't much of a draw.
[10:43:02] Rosie Gray: it's not much of a draw, but it does pay it's own tier
[10:43:12] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, it does
[10:43:20] Lilith Ivory: and Alexia is a long time citizen
[10:43:32] Rosie Gray nods
[10:43:37] Lilith Ivory: was nice to find a solution that does not make us loose citizen
[10:43:50] Rosie Gray: well a Meditarranean them would still work for her shop
[10:43:51] Tanoujin Milestone: We could ask Alexia what her interests are, why not preserve Structures that have a function?
[10:44:05] Lilith Ivory: I think so too Rosie
[10:44:12] Rosie Gray: theme*
[10:44:12] Tor Karlsvalt: if we were Mediterranean like NFS is medieval, then we could have a mix of modern and ancient.
[10:44:21] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[10:44:22] Rosie Gray: yes exactly
[10:44:39] Lilith Ivory: (sudanes builds are more mediteran than ancient anyway)
[10:44:42] Brandy (kalli.birman) is offline.
[10:44:52] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, and the builds I like usually
[10:44:54] Rosie Gray: and honestly, I still think that Sudane's old builds have much more character
[10:44:55] Tanoujin Milestone: Hello Gaiuns!
[10:45:00] Shep (shep.titian): Hi G
[10:45:02] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi G
[10:45:03] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Salvete. ㋡
[10:45:08] Rosie Gray: Hi Guill
[10:45:09] Lilith Ivory: I always liked Sudanes builds best
[10:45:14] Lilith Ivory: hi Gaius
[10:45:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Honestly, if we here are all agreed that a theme change would help, that would be half the battle.
[10:45:48] Rosie Gray: I'd vote for that
[10:45:48] Tanoujin Milestone: Who approves such a change? The RA?
[10:45:54] Calla Everdark (darkcallaflower) is offline.
[10:45:56] Lilith Ivory: me too :)
[10:45:57] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't think there would be much opposition.
[10:46:04] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, it would be the RA.
[10:46:33] Tor Karlsvalt: Really, I think LA was a cleo project.
[10:46:33] Lilith Ivory: a regional commission meeting first might be nice
[10:46:48] Lilith Ivory: so we don´t make decissions above the citizens who live there
[10:46:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I wonder if anyone around now was really in love with it.
[10:46:53] Zu2nyte Xeno is online.
[10:46:59] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[10:47:00] Tanoujin Milestone: hmhm. Regional meeting would be nice anyway
[10:47:08] Rosie Gray: good idea Lil
[10:47:11] Nacey Solo is online.
[10:47:18] Trebor Warcliffe: back
[10:47:22] Lilith Ivory: I had a parcel in LA one (and have one again now) but I never felt at home there
[10:47:24] Tor Karlsvalt: wb Treb
[10:47:37] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): WB, Chancellor.
[10:47:37] Shep (shep.titian): wb
[10:47:41] Trebor Warcliffe: Going to scroll up adn catch up
[10:47:52] Lilith Ivory: wb Treb :)
[10:48:03] Lilith Ivory: just say aye treb :)
[10:48:09] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, I have the winery, but would rather it more of a Tuscan villa/winery
[10:48:56] Tor Karlsvalt: do we want to put any money into a new sim to the east of LA? A water sim?
[10:49:25] Shep (shep.titian): We have money going everywhere atm
[10:49:28] Brandy (kalli.birman) is online.
[10:49:33] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[10:49:48] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): It would be more attractive with the Mediterranean sim.
[10:49:51] Tanoujin Milestone: and that would be just a change of covenant? The covenant for CN too?
[10:50:10] Tor Karlsvalt: well we might want to plan what we can do to make the Mediterranean sim great. That Harbor is nice, but needs some water.
[10:50:19] Rosie Gray: it sure does
[10:50:33] Shep (shep.titian): I have to keep my CN parcel and I want my island .. other than that I'll do around 2k a week
[10:50:43] Tanoujin Milestone: hehe, sorry, i need to go... see you all soon.
[10:50:44] Shep (shep.titian): ooop
[10:50:46] Tanoujin Milestone is offline.
[10:50:49] Shep (shep.titian): wrong box
[10:50:52] Rosie Gray: oop, that was fast
[10:50:54] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Plus, with water, we can then sell docking plots.
[10:51:04] Lilith Ivory: we could do it like in New Toulouse: make a sketch with say 4 islands on that Sim, wait for reservations and buy a homestead as soon as the islands are reserved
[10:51:04] Tor Karlsvalt: true, G
[10:51:43] Rosie Gray: that would be a good idea Lilith
[10:51:54] Rosie Gray: I think we tossed around that idea before
[10:51:56] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker) nods.
[10:51:56] Lilith Ivory: it worked within a few weeks in New Toulouse
[10:52:06] Rosie Gray: but for some reason, we didn't do it
[10:52:13] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah that would work.
[10:52:16] Lilith Ivory: because we are CDS ;-)
[10:52:20] Rachire Andel is online.
[10:52:20] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[10:52:22] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:52:25] ANITA (anitha.astermann) is online.
[10:52:25] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): ㋡
[10:52:31] Tor Karlsvalt: talked it to death
[10:52:37] Brandy (kalli.birman) is offline.
[10:52:37] Rosie Gray: yup
[10:52:41] Lilith Ivory: Miss Gabi in NT does not need to wait for consent
[10:52:44] Tor Karlsvalt: like the schloss revamp
[10:52:46] Shep (shep.titian): Water is good
[10:53:13] Lilith Ivory: and as a homestead it might pay for itself
[10:53:27] Rosie Gray: how much is a homestead to purchase these days?
[10:53:29] Rosie Gray: anyone know?
[10:53:33] Tor Karlsvalt: I think teaking the theme would also give some impetus to build stuff.
[10:53:44] Rosie Gray: I do too
[10:53:52] Lilith Ivory: I guess Sudane knows best but on the second market they shouldn´t be this expensive
[10:53:57] Tor Karlsvalt: probably can buy them on the market for almost nothing.
[10:54:23] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok im all caught up
[10:54:27] Rosie Gray: and honestly, before purchasing any more sims does it make sense to do it with all of that unwanted space there now?
[10:54:46] Lilith Ivory: that´s a good point too
[10:55:23] Tor Karlsvalt: it might if people don't want to be part of a Mediterranean sim with no water.
[10:55:24] Trebor Warcliffe: I think that would depend on the strategy
[10:55:24] Tor Karlsvalt: chat lag
[10:55:29] Rosie Gray: true
[10:55:30] Lilith Ivory: the question is: WILL water make sell us land in LA better?
[10:55:39] Trebor Warcliffe: If you're going Mediterranean you need that Homestead
[10:55:42] Lilith Ivory: imo the whole sim is a mess the way as it is now
[10:55:51] Rosie Gray: I agree completely
[10:55:54] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Why not edit the landscape?
[10:55:57] Rosie Gray: it's just plain ugly
[10:56:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, we probably need to look at some of the builds and the parcel config.
[10:56:05] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Make the sea in LA larger?
[10:56:13] Rosie Gray: yes absolutely
[10:56:19] Rosie Gray: the river could be bigger
[10:56:21] Alexia Carnell is offline.
[10:56:23] Tor Karlsvalt: the Quad parcels need to go
[10:56:24] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Plus, we can have a foot in the door with sailors.
[10:56:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Guill if it doesnt remove private sqm than thats fine
[10:56:36] Nacey Solo is offline.
[10:56:50] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Quad parcels are a disaster.
[10:56:51] Trebor Warcliffe: We have to keep our public to private ratio as it is now
[10:56:57] Rosie Gray: there's all that public land along the riverway
[10:57:01] Lilith Ivory nods
[10:57:01] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, I love that bridge but it inhibits navigation
[10:57:10] Chief Bowenford is offline.
[10:57:10] Lilith Ivory: but we could have more public land as water
[10:57:10] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Yes, the bridge is too small.
[10:57:14] Trebor Warcliffe: yes and that big round think is VERY primmy
[10:57:19] Rosie Gray: it sure is
[10:57:23] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): It's old.
[10:57:28] Rosie Gray: not to mention right in the way
[10:57:34] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker) nods.
[10:57:35] Tor Karlsvalt: that round thing is 270+ prims
[10:57:41] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:57:47] Tor Karlsvalt: that is not counting the stuff inside it
[10:57:48] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Soro is a sailor, no?
[10:57:51] Rosie Gray: does that count all of the memorablia inside?
[10:58:08] Rosie Gray: oh it doesn't!
[10:58:12] Tor Karlsvalt: no I didn't count the stuff
[10:58:17] Rosie Gray: jeez
[10:59:02] Trebor Warcliffe: I am happy to hear that we're talking about making things better rather than just getting rid of a sim. I was worried about that.
[10:59:07] Tor Karlsvalt: I remember Sudane did not want all the roads laied in LA cuz she is always worried about prims.
[10:59:31] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:59:37] Rosie Gray: the roads have been fixed, they don't take many prims now
[10:59:48] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I think we should keep it, just make it more attractive.
[10:59:55] Rosie Gray: it's the old builds that do
[11:00:06] Rosie Gray: I agree Tor
[11:00:06] Trebor Warcliffe: If were talking about remodeling LA the most important thing is to reach out to current citizens in there.
[11:00:09] Lilith Ivory: if making it more atractive does not work we can still close it
[11:00:15] Zu2nyte Xeno is offline.
[11:00:18] Rosie Gray nods
[11:00:20] Tor Karlsvalt: oh But there are supposed be roads running N S
[11:00:25] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): The builds near the Quay are old, like the builds here in CN. They need to be rebuilt.
[11:00:34] Tor Karlsvalt: There is space for them
[11:00:41] Trebor Warcliffe: I remember Mizou's reaction when I mentioned remodeling last year. Damn near bit my head off and it was just a thought.
[11:00:46] Lilith Ivory: I always liked the old builds best :)
[11:00:50] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:00:56] Tor Karlsvalt: me too
[11:01:00] Rosie Gray: I like Sudane's old builds
[11:01:01] Tor Karlsvalt: I love the warehouse
[11:01:08] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[11:01:10] Rosie Gray: yes me too
[11:01:15] Sudane Erato is offline.
[11:01:17] Trebor Warcliffe: Some of the old builds are nice adn if you can replicate the nice ones using newer technology
[11:01:22] Trebor Warcliffe: than thats great
[11:01:24] Rosie Gray: but it would work well with Mediteranean theme
[11:01:24] Tor Karlsvalt: just seems to fit in well there on a harbor
[11:01:34] Lilith Ivory: exactly :)
[11:01:43] Rosie Gray: actually, I've been de-primming some of her old builds
[11:01:49] Lilith Ivory: cool
[11:01:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Great
[11:01:54] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Well, perhaps we can renew them with less prims
[11:01:56] Rosie Gray: I've done all the ones that aren't owned by someone else... mostly
[11:01:59] Rosie Gray: brb
[11:02:00] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Oh, good, Rosie.
[11:02:01] Trebor Warcliffe: Rosie you also did some road remodeling correct?
[11:02:19] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, I think Rosie relaid all the roads.
[11:02:26] Linn London is online.
[11:02:28] Cricket Crabe is online.
[11:02:34] Tor Karlsvalt: I know they are new up by my cabin
[11:02:45] Trebor Warcliffe: They look very nice.
[11:02:50] Rosie Gray: yes all of the ones except for Moon's, and except for on Monastery
[11:02:51] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): The Platz is no longer ~ 11 prims.
[11:02:53] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, lot less primmy
[11:03:10] Lilith Ivory: great work Rosie :)
[11:03:13] Tor Karlsvalt: too bad we can't work on those fachwerk.
[11:03:17] Trebor Warcliffe: Little things like that go unnoticed
[11:03:24] Pip Torok is online.
[11:03:28] Rosie Gray: well, we can when they are empty
[11:03:35] Trebor Warcliffe: But for the ones that do notice it we do really appreciate it.
[11:03:42] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:03:51] Tor Karlsvalt smiles and puffs up, I redid the alley by Minerva's Temple.
[11:03:53] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker) was appreciative.
[11:04:04] Rosie Gray: I've also done the walls on this sim
[11:04:04] Lilith Ivory: hehehe Tor
[11:04:17] Tor Karlsvalt: :)
[11:04:29] Rosie Gray: but there are some things, like the Amptitheatre that should really be redone
[11:04:51] Rosie Gray: anyway, that's off topic
[11:05:08] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I still have my model for the Temple to Minerva up, too.
[11:05:10] Tor Karlsvalt: So I suppose the consensus is we have a regional meeting.
[11:05:18] Rosie Gray nods
[11:05:22] Lilith Ivory: I think so too
[11:05:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Regional or all citizens
[11:05:32] Rosie Gray: well.. all citizens I think
[11:05:39] Trebor Warcliffe: Granted I dont know how many will show up
[11:05:39] Rosie Gray: otherwise, I can't be there!
[11:05:45] Lilith Ivory: sure all citizens
[11:05:57] Jyclops Jansma is online.
[11:05:59] Tor Karlsvalt: the topic being how to improve LA? Theme, configuration, water sim with islands.
[11:06:12] Rosie Gray: improved builds
[11:06:12] Trebor Warcliffe: All citizens but someone needs to make contact with each owner in LA.
[11:06:16] Rosie Gray: reshaping the land
[11:06:30] Lilith Ivory nods
[11:06:30] Tor Karlsvalt: and keeping monuments.
[11:06:35] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker) nods.
[11:06:44] Trebor Warcliffe: What monuments are in LA Tor?
[11:06:45] Tor Karlsvalt: like the umbilicus thingy
[11:06:46] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Well, we can redo the Umilicus Mundi.
[11:06:57] Rosie Gray: some of the monuments need to be remade
[11:06:58] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): *Umbilicus
[11:07:00] Rosie Gray: I think
[11:07:12] Trebor Warcliffe: I can agree with that Rosie.
[11:07:19] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): The warehouse and the Museaon can be deprimmed.
[11:07:22] Tor Karlsvalt: oh I have another topic for LA -- sort of
[11:07:25] Trebor Warcliffe: Same appearance just better built
[11:07:34] Rosie Gray: yes... de-primmed
[11:07:35] Tor Karlsvalt: we should have a hiking trail up from the beach into Monastery
[11:07:35] Lilith Ivory nods
[11:07:36] Rosie Gray: :D
[11:07:52] Trebor Warcliffe: I like that Tor
[11:07:52] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip :)
[11:07:53] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Good idea!
[11:07:53] Tor Karlsvalt: The delete button works for deprimming he umbilicus
[11:08:00] Rosie Gray: oh like the hiking trail
[11:08:03] Brandy (kalli.birman) is online.
[11:08:16] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Hey! Pip
[11:08:17] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, a hiking trail would be good
[11:08:36] Pip Torok: hi folks .. hope this is really an RA mnonmeeting
[11:08:37] Trebor Warcliffe: Hello Pip
[11:08:43] Shep (shep.titian): Hello Pip
[11:08:48] Rosie Gray: hi Pip
[11:08:52] Jenna Felton is online.
[11:09:03] Shep (shep.titian): You could'nt make the meeting?
[11:09:20] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah, this is a non RA planning meeting. Just hashing stuff out.
[11:09:27] Pip Torok: well I was unavoidably detained ..... (long story)
[11:09:41] Tor Karlsvalt: oh btw, anyone with stuff on the platz please remove it by tormorrow.
[11:09:43] Trebor Warcliffe: If it was a secret meeting I would have rented a suite on teh USS Galaxy hehe
[11:09:54] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:09:57] Lilith Ivory grins
[11:10:10] Linn London is offline.
[11:10:12] Pip Torok: the green dots betrayed you'all!
[11:10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: Treb you need to find a crate to sit on.
[11:10:24] Trebor Warcliffe: LOL good one Pip
[11:10:51] Lilith Ivory: we need a green roof at this place - for secret meetings
[11:11:00] Lilith Ivory: so nobody can see the dots
[11:11:08] Rosie Gray: hehehe
[11:11:08] Pip Torok: good idea!
[11:11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: well pip, not to worry. We solved all the CDS problems.
[11:11:31] Tor Karlsvalt: hay, that would work maybe.
[11:11:42] Tor Karlsvalt: We agreed to call a meeting.
[11:11:44] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:11:44] Pip Torok: good .. was that trails you were talking about?
[11:11:52] Rosie Gray: I have to go folks
[11:11:55] Rosie Gray: see you later
[11:11:58] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Ok, bye Rosie
[11:11:58] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok Rosie
[11:11:59] Lilith Ivory: see you Rosie :)
[11:12:05] Rosie Gray waves
[11:12:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Rosie who is going to take the reins on this
[11:12:06] Shep (shep.titian): Ok Rosie :)
[11:12:13] Rosie Gray is offline.
[11:12:17] Pip Torok: ave et vale, Rosa!
[11:12:18] Ayhan (ayhan.vaniva) is online.
[11:12:22] Lilith Ivory: I think the chancellor should call the meeting#
[11:12:26] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Rosie left too soon
[11:12:26] Pip Torok: rosita!
[11:12:27] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:12:37] Trebor Warcliffe: Looks like she left you holding the bag on this one Tor. Hehe
[11:12:48] Shep (shep.titian): oooooh lol
[11:13:05] Tor Karlsvalt: um, my connection seems to be bad
[11:13:09] Trebor Warcliffe: How about it Tor? You want to take the reinds on thsi one
[11:13:11] Trebor Warcliffe: LOL
[11:13:17] Trebor Warcliffe: no you dont hehe
[11:13:22] Lilith Ivory gives Tor a winning smile
[11:13:26] Trebor Warcliffe: going through a tunnel?
[11:13:33] Tor Karlsvalt: you mean call a meeting?
[11:13:41] Tor Karlsvalt: yikes,
[11:13:53] Lilith Ivory: and contact the citizens of LA
[11:14:01] Trebor Warcliffe: Yea kind of take teh lead on this idea
[11:14:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I bet I can get help from Lil Shep and G and PIp too!
[11:14:07] Lilith Ivory: might be nice to find a time when they are able to come
[11:14:19] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): You can have my help, definitely.
[11:14:32] Trebor Warcliffe: My RL situation is goign to be changing at the end of thsi month adn I wont be inworld as much as I have been.
[11:14:36] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I can go around and contact owners.
[11:14:41] Pip Torok: does anyone remember Minerva .. the tourist-bearing owl?
[11:14:47] Tor Karlsvalt: That would be great
[11:14:52] Lilith Ivory: yes sure
[11:14:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Pip
[11:14:55] Tor Karlsvalt: probably have two meetings.
[11:14:55] Lilith Ivory: what is with her?
[11:15:02] Lilith Ivory: good idea Tor
[11:15:06] Trebor Warcliffe: I would love to have a statue made of her
[11:15:13] Trebor Warcliffe: Something majestic
[11:15:15] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Just tell me what to say, Tor.
[11:15:26] Pip Torok: well reviving her and advertising her wd make a great "trail" imo
[11:15:34] Tor Karlsvalt: well I think we should put out a notice.
[11:15:34] Trebor Warcliffe: nice idea
[11:15:49] Lilith Ivory nods
[11:16:06] Tor Karlsvalt: tell people we would like to discuss improving LA
[11:16:08] Pip Torok: of course the route wd need to be re-jigged
[11:16:18] Trebor Warcliffe: I would love if someone could reach out to Gwynn and see if she could write an article or two about teh CDS
[11:16:27] Timothy Scarborough is online.
[11:16:33] Trebor Warcliffe: that we could submit to some of the popular inworld publications
[11:16:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I think those of us who twitter should mention the CDS once a week
[11:16:48] Pip Torok: YES .. if she has the time .. always a problem it seems
[11:17:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Are you on close terms with her Pip?
[11:17:12] Tor Karlsvalt: and if you do twitter always use the hashtag #secondlife
[11:17:44] Rachire Andel is offline.
[11:17:47] Pip Torok: a shame that CDS also means "credit Default Swaps" .. a name with an off-colour reputation
[11:17:53] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:18:01] Tor Karlsvalt: it also has a bad connotation in SL
[11:18:08] Trebor Warcliffe: it does
[11:18:18] Pip Torok: ive no doubt about that!
[11:18:19] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): It...does?
[11:18:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Welcome to teh City-State of Anzere
[11:18:26] Tor Karlsvalt: Is is the name of an outfit that ran an AV tracking program
[11:18:41] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Oh.
[11:18:41] Lilith Ivory: ooh :(
[11:18:52] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Well...
[11:18:58] Pip Torok: well Guillaume .. every avie's typist is bound up with the RL credit-crunch
[11:19:02] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Maybe we should focus on the Confederation part.
[11:19:12] Pip Torok: agree!
[11:19:16] Trebor Warcliffe: And the democratic part LOL
[11:19:39] Tor Karlsvalt: http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2010/12 ... with-them/
[11:19:43] Pip Torok: very strongly agree ....
[11:19:43] pet Karu is online.
[11:19:52] Trebor Warcliffe: It is rather tricky considering the name is 8 years old
[11:20:02] Trebor Warcliffe: But thats another meeting
[11:20:03] Tor Karlsvalt: So when you refer to CDS try to spell it out
[11:20:04] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Speaking of Confederation part, I did put out flags on the Platz for people to see.
[11:20:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Not today lol
[11:20:37] Pip Torok: one way to go cd be "what input on the RL decisions do YOU contribute?
[11:20:52] Pip Torok: sorry .. for RL read SL
[11:20:57] Trebor Warcliffe: Nice looking flags Guill. Now are those meant to be a flag for each sim or for CDS in general?
[11:21:08] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Each sim, Treb
[11:21:13] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[11:21:16] Trebor Warcliffe: ty
[11:21:17] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): And that's true, Pip
[11:21:21] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): NP
[11:21:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Im going to logg off for now
[11:21:51] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I'm going to go too
[11:21:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Im very happy I was able to get together with eneryone
[11:21:58] Pip Torok: for example it wd be interesting how Caledon citizens wd reply ...
[11:21:59] Jyclops Jansma is offline.
[11:22:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Seems like we're going to turn a negative into a good positive.
[11:22:07] Lilith Ivory: yes was a great brainstorming :)
[11:22:18] Udo Swashbuckler is online.
[11:22:20] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Treb, I'll talk to you later.
[11:22:29] Trebor Warcliffe: k
[11:22:33] Pip Torok: is someone recording it btw? .. or wishes to?
[11:22:43] Tor Karlsvalt: Locus Amoenus a nice place
[11:22:51] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): It is
[11:22:51] Trebor Warcliffe: I've had my chat window open
[11:23:00] Tor Karlsvalt: i truned up late
[11:23:05] Tor Karlsvalt: turned
[11:23:13] Lilith Ivory: we never talked about transcripting
[11:23:19] Trebor Warcliffe: And whoever is the last one here we can add theres to mine
[11:23:20] Pip Torok: ?me feels a bit better!
[11:23:23] Lilith Ivory: but I don´t mind it
[11:23:32] Trebor Warcliffe: I didnt plan on publishing anything
[11:23:33] Tor Karlsvalt: nor do I
[11:23:44] Lilith Ivory: we might have to ask Rosie
[11:23:45] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker) just walked in.
[11:23:45] Trebor Warcliffe: but at the same time we do need to keep track of what was discussed
[11:23:57] Trebor Warcliffe: published or not
[11:24:03] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Yes.
[11:24:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I really don't think so.
[11:24:12] Shep (shep.titian): I don't have local on record
[11:24:19] Pip Torok: a summary perhaps? in the Forum?
[11:24:29] Lilith Ivory: good idea
[11:24:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Basically we were just citizens planning to discuss this later in a Regional Meeting
[11:24:42] Trebor Warcliffe: I think Tor will be doing that with his call of a meeting so that should suffice
[11:24:58] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Sim landscaping, theme change, landscape change, de-primming, build renewals, and a hiking trail
[11:25:08] Tor Karlsvalt: yeah.
[11:25:09] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): That's all I remember.
[11:25:20] Lilith Ivory: (and the reasons why we started talking about it)
[11:25:20] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Well, that's all I was here for ㋡
[11:25:36] Tor Karlsvalt: That is about it
[11:25:55] Pip Torok: speaking as one who likes LA is is, are there serious reservations here about it?
[11:26:02] Lilith Ivory: well if all was fine in LA we had no reason to re-design the Sim
[11:26:30] Tor Karlsvalt: I showed up at 10:08, about a half hour after you probaly began
[11:26:49] Tor Karlsvalt: I was late for the RA
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[11:27:20] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I will be glad to give my services and work whenever, just contact me.
[11:27:30] Tor Karlsvalt: k
[11:27:35] Trebor Warcliffe: We got here right at 10
[11:27:56] Sonja Strom is online.
[11:28:02] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Will we be keeping the Umbilicus Mundi or getting rid of it without renovating it?
[11:28:06] Tor Karlsvalt: ok then I probably have almost all of the meeting
[11:28:12] Trebor Warcliffe: Waited 30 minutes for RA members and than Lil kind of reminded me I had something I needed to address hehe
[11:28:19] Lilith Ivory: I think so too Tor
[11:28:29] Lilith Ivory smiles
[11:28:30] Pip Torok: I wd vote for keeping it .. after all its LA's oldest tradition
[11:28:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Pip can you explain the history behind it please.
[11:29:02] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): If we keep it, Pip, it would have to be redone if we changed the river.
[11:29:12] Trebor Warcliffe: And Im being serious, not ebing a smartass
[11:29:18] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): ㋡
[11:29:32] Pip Torok: and of course it DOES form the centre whose absence someone mentioned
[11:29:36] Lilith Ivory: that´s all small details I think
[11:29:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Hey pip, what role did Cleo have in buying LA? She told me she was responsible for it
[11:30:03] Pip Torok: only one citizen amongst many ....
[11:30:13] Trebor Warcliffe shudders at that word
[11:30:23] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): We could redo the Umbilicus Mundi and move it to one side of the river, so that ships can now pass by it.
[11:30:32] Pip Torok: it seems her announcement resembles mark Twains death ....
[11:30:41] Tor Karlsvalt: Well I for one don't like it. It really makes sailing the river a problem
[11:30:52] Rain Ninetails is online.
[11:31:04] Tor Karlsvalt: I would be ok with that
[11:31:06] Trebor Warcliffe: I don't not like it but where it is located is a problem that Tor points out
[11:31:10] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I'm with Pip, we should keep it. It should just be redone, made smaller and less primmy.
[11:31:25] Pip Torok: how about making it a sunken umbilicus? over which ships cd sail?
[11:31:26] Tor Karlsvalt: it is very primmy
[11:31:33] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): And we should get rid of the stuff inside of it.
[11:31:40] Trebor Warcliffe: Well this is all stuff that can be discussed at the meeting Tor will call for the general public
[11:31:51] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): The votive objects can be put ina simply box.
[11:31:52] Lilith Ivory: once those gifts had a symbolic meaning
[11:31:53] Tor Karlsvalt: well that was the whole point of it G.
[11:31:55] Trebor Warcliffe: I suggest we wrap this meeting up for now
[11:31:56] emilia (emilia.avindar) is online.
[11:31:59] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[11:32:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes we have to respect history
[11:32:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Have to be careful
[11:32:16] Trebor Warcliffe: But not be stuck in the past
[11:32:20] Pip Torok: oh no Guillaume .. the "stuff" are our gifts ... the raison detre of the umbilicus and of LA itself! :|
[11:32:37] Trebor Warcliffe: History goes back further than you adn I guill
[11:32:41] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): They can still be, just put into a single prim, though.
[11:32:49] Trebor Warcliffe: We have to keep that in consideration
[11:33:00] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I'm not saying to get rid of them
[11:33:01] Trebor Warcliffe: I've always liked the idea of a CDS museaum
[11:33:05] Lilith Ivory: that might become difficuölt as all have diverent owners
[11:33:10] Pip Torok: actually Guillaume .. our continuity stands us in utter contrast to the rest of SL (again imho)
[11:33:11] Lilith Ivory: not all here any more
[11:33:12] Trebor Warcliffe: I think Rosie first mentioned that way back when
[11:33:22] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): I'm not discussing that at all, Pip.
[11:33:23] Winter Nightfire is offline.
[11:33:31] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok lets call this meeting
[11:33:34] Shep (shep.titian): ok we're almost full circle .. so I'll be off for now
[11:33:36] Trebor Warcliffe: Everyone in agreement
[11:33:42] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[11:33:49] Gaius Tiberius (guillaume.mistwalker): Yup
[11:33:49] Trebor Warcliffe: Till next time thank you all
[11:33:50] Lilith Ivory: good idea :)
[11:33:55] Trebor Warcliffe is offline.

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