LUC Meeting - Transcript - 4 March 2023 -
Members Present: Leslie Allandale, Sudane Errato, Sandy Burgess, Delia Lake, Rosie Gray, Mizou Vavoom
Attending: Lilith Ivory
[2023/03/04 09:04] Leslie Allandale: Let's start?
[2023/03/04 09:04] Sudane Erato: yes
[2023/03/04 09:04] Sandy Burgess: yep
[2023/03/04 09:04] Rosie Gray: yes please
[2023/03/04 09:04] Mizou Vavoom: yes
[2023/03/04 09:04] Leslie Allandale: Call to Order.
[2023/03/04 09:05] Sudane Erato: i move to approve the agenda
[2023/03/04 09:05] Leslie Allandale: You have the updated agenda.
[2023/03/04 09:05] Sudane Erato: yep
[2023/03/04 09:05] Mizou Vavoom: second
[2023/03/04 09:05] Delia Lake: yes
[2023/03/04 09:05] Leslie Allandale: Vote
[2023/03/04 09:05] Rosie Gray: aye
[2023/03/04 09:05] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2023/03/04 09:05] Sandy Burgess: aye
[2023/03/04 09:05] Sudane Erato: aye!
[2023/03/04 09:06] Leslie Allandale: Carried
[2023/03/04 09:07] Leslie Allandale: We have no minutes
[2023/03/04 09:07] Sandy Burgess: Can we approve no minutes?
[2023/03/04 09:08] Leslie Allandale: I will make brief ones for next meeting.
[2023/03/04 09:08] Sudane Erato: we can just skip it, no?
[2023/03/04 09:08] Leslie Allandale: move to table?
[2023/03/04 09:08] Rosie Gray: so moved
[2023/03/04 09:09] Mizou Vavoom: second
[2023/03/04 09:09] Leslie Allandale: vote
[2023/03/04 09:09] Sudane Erato: aye
[2023/03/04 09:09] Rosie Gray: aye
[2023/03/04 09:09] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2023/03/04 09:09] Sandy Burgess: aye
[2023/03/04 09:09] Delia Lake: aye
[2023/03/04 09:09] Leslie Allandale: Carried.
[2023/03/04 09:10] Leslie Allandale: Any volunteers for PT & sec?
[2023/03/04 09:10] Mizou Vavoom: i can do secretary
[2023/03/04 09:10] Rosie Gray: yay
[2023/03/04 09:10] Leslie Allandale: yay
[2023/03/04 09:11] Leslie Allandale: Nominate
[2023/03/04 09:11] Sandy Burgess: /me applauds and looks relieved
[2023/03/04 09:11] Second Life: Items successfully shared.
[2023/03/04 09:11] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2023/03/04 09:11] Leslie Allandale: Smiles at Sandy.
[2023/03/04 09:11] Sandy Burgess: Usually they try to give those jobs to the noobs in committees
[2023/03/04 09:12] Rosie Gray: 
[2023/03/04 09:12] Leslie Allandale: Vote.
[2023/03/04 09:12] Rosie Gray: aye
[2023/03/04 09:12] Lilith Ivory: /me thinks that there is a new archivist needed too
[2023/03/04 09:12] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2023/03/04 09:12] Sandy Burgess: aye
[2023/03/04 09:12] Sudane Erato: aye
[2023/03/04 09:12] Rosie Gray: /me thinks that archivist and secretary are the same thing in this case
[2023/03/04 09:12] Sudane Erato: thats what i thought
[2023/03/04 09:12] Mizou Vavoom: yes they are
[2023/03/04 09:12] Lilith Ivory: ah ok 
[2023/03/04 09:13] Leslie Allandale: Nes Secretary, Mizou.
[2023/03/04 09:13] Mizou Vavoom: brb cat in RL
[2023/03/04 09:13] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2023/03/04 09:14] Leslie Allandale: Nomination for Deputy Chairperson?
[2023/03/04 09:14] Rosie Gray: aka pro tempore
[2023/03/04 09:14] Mizou Vavoom: back
[2023/03/04 09:14] Leslie Allandale: Yes.
[2023/03/04 09:14] Leslie Allandale: Or volunteer?
[2023/03/04 09:15] Sandy Burgess: You were just voted pro tempore Mizou
[2023/03/04 09:15] Mizou Vavoom: no??
[2023/03/04 09:15] Rosie Gray: lol
[2023/03/04 09:15] Mizou Vavoom: oh Sandy!! lol
[2023/03/04 09:15] Sandy Burgess: /me laughs
[2023/03/04 09:15] Delia Lake: not me. I have all I can do right now between RL and SL
[2023/03/04 09:15] Rosie Gray: Sandy... how about you?
[2023/03/04 09:15] Mizou Vavoom: yes lets vote for Sandy
[2023/03/04 09:15] Sandy Burgess: Have enough stuff right now
[2023/03/04 09:16] Leslie Allandale: yes, easy peasy, Sandy.
[2023/03/04 09:16] Rosie Gray: move to table this item for now
[2023/03/04 09:16] Sudane Erato: second
[2023/03/04 09:16] Leslie Allandale: Second?
[2023/03/04 09:17] Leslie Allandale: Vote
[2023/03/04 09:17] Sandy Burgess: Aye for move to table
[2023/03/04 09:17] Rosie Gray: aye
[2023/03/04 09:17] Delia Lake: aye
[2023/03/04 09:17] Mizou Vavoom: aye
[2023/03/04 09:17] Sudane Erato: aye
[2023/03/04 09:17] Leslie Allandale: Carried.
[2023/03/04 09:18] Leslie Allandale: Signage.
[2023/03/04 09:18] Leslie Allandale: Any comments?
[2023/03/04 09:19] Mizou Vavoom: no comments as I am not familiar as yet with the signage proposed
[2023/03/04 09:19] Rosie Gray: lots more descriptions have been added to the document, which is great ㋡
[2023/03/04 09:19] Sandy Burgess: And I too new to know about signs
[2023/03/04 09:19] Mizou Vavoom: could i have a link please?
[2023/03/04 09:19] Rosie Gray: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WwK ... sp=sharing
[2023/03/04 09:20] Mizou Vavoom: thanks rosie
[2023/03/04 09:20] Leslie Allandale: ty, Rosie
[2023/03/04 09:20] Mizou Vavoom: i need to request edit access?
[2023/03/04 09:20] Mizou Vavoom: oh not anymore
[2023/03/04 09:21] Rosie Gray: yes I just noticed you didn't have access
[2023/03/04 09:22] Leslie Allandale: When would this document be ready to publish?
[2023/03/04 09:22] Rosie Gray: it's not for publishing
[2023/03/04 09:22] Rosie Gray: it's for use as descriptions for where we need them
[2023/03/04 09:22] Rosie Gray: inside the signs, on the website... anywhere we need descriptions
[2023/03/04 09:22] Leslie Allandale: Woud we vote on it?
[2023/03/04 09:22] Mizou Vavoom: Should we add something about using the bicycles?
[2023/03/04 09:23] Rosie Gray: it's more for descriptions of landmarks and historical items, Mizou
[2023/03/04 09:23] Sudane Erato: well, aren't we advisory to the Chancellor? shouldn't we just send this to her as our advice?
[2023/03/04 09:23] Mizou Vavoom: ok but it says something about the horse rezzer
[2023/03/04 09:23] Lilith Ivory: in the box is a notecard with Kyokos original proposal
[2023/03/04 09:24] Lilith Ivory: those signs are meant to be educaltional and point out some of our places of interest
[2023/03/04 09:24] Rosie Gray: indeed
[2023/03/04 09:24] Rosie Gray: I'm not sure how interesting bicycle rezzers are
[2023/03/04 09:24] Rosie Gray: /me shrugs
[2023/03/04 09:25] Mizou Vavoom: Question: will those signs be inside a box?
[2023/03/04 09:25] Lilith Ivory: I think not all places in Tors google doc are needed for those signs
[2023/03/04 09:25] Sandy Burgess: How are we going to lead the people to the signs?
[2023/03/04 09:25] Lilith Ivory: it was just the document we started to work with
[2023/03/04 09:25] Rosie Gray: yes, and it's evolved a lot since he started it
[2023/03/04 09:26] Rosie Gray: I don't think that's a part of the project, to lead people to the signs... just to create text for them
[2023/03/04 09:26] Mizou Vavoom: ah ok
[2023/03/04 09:26] Sandy Burgess: /me nods
[2023/03/04 09:27] Rosie Gray: I see we still need some descriptions though
[2023/03/04 09:27] Rosie Gray: Luna Marina, for instance
[2023/03/04 09:29] Mizou Vavoom: oh yes just saw that
[2023/03/04 09:29] Rosie Gray: Almut asks a good question about the Schloss
[2023/03/04 09:30] Leslie Allandale: So, atm, we just need fingers in the document?
[2023/03/04 09:30] Rosie Gray: Neues Schloss, if at all. Do we have an old one somewhere, too? -- What about giving the Schloss a fancy name, like Schloss Freienstein (=stone of the free) etc.
[2023/03/04 09:30] Lilith Ivory: I would go with Schloss Neufreistadt
[2023/03/04 09:31] Leslie Allandale: Good Idea, but we need a German to do it.
[2023/03/04 09:31] Lilith Ivory: hu?
[2023/03/04 09:31] Sandy Burgess: Schloss Neufreistadt is good
[2023/03/04 09:31] Lilith Ivory: the text will be in english I think 
[2023/03/04 09:32] Leslie Allandale: I agree.
[2023/03/04 09:32] Rosie Gray: yes, but we German names
[2023/03/04 09:32] Lilith Ivory: /me grins and looks at Sandy
[2023/03/04 09:32] Rosie Gray: because we English only speakers find it exotic
[2023/03/04 09:32] Mizou Vavoom:
[2023/03/04 09:32] Leslie Allandale: Rosie' right.
[2023/03/04 09:33] Mizou Vavoom: as long as the names are correct in German
[2023/03/04 09:33] Rosie Gray: yes!
[2023/03/04 09:33] Sandy Burgess: And it seems there is no problem with Neufreistadt re having some history. At least google only find CDS references
[2023/03/04 09:33] Leslie Allandale: !
[2023/03/04 09:33] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2023/03/04 09:34] Rosie Gray: so that's clean and straightforward
[2023/03/04 09:35] Sandy Burgess: Yep we are good with that
[2023/03/04 09:35] Lilith Ivory: (If you ask me for names you will get more Kuhfluchtwasserfälle )
[2023/03/04 09:35] Mizou Vavoom: no way Lilith lol
[2023/03/04 09:35] Rosie Gray: ha, but I love that name even if I have only a wild guess at how to pronounce it!
[2023/03/04 09:35] Delia Lake: I have to leave. I'm one of the presenters for The Science Circle today and need to be there early.
[2023/03/04 09:35] Sandy Burgess: I think Almut thoroughly hates that name
[2023/03/04 09:36] Rosie Gray: bye Delia
[2023/03/04 09:36] Delia Lake: bye
[2023/03/04 09:36] Lilith Ivory: /me giggles
[2023/03/04 09:36] Rosie Gray: what do you think of it, Sandy?
[2023/03/04 09:36] Mizou Vavoom: bye Delia take care
[2023/03/04 09:36] Lilith Ivory: I am SOOOO sorry she hates it
[2023/03/04 09:36] Leslie Allandale: Me too
[2023/03/04 09:37] Sandy Burgess: I think its a weird name but it is realistic - you find such local names in many places of Germany. So I am fine with it
[2023/03/04 09:37] Rosie Gray: it's a bit of interesting fun for me
[2023/03/04 09:37] Sudane Erato: What was going to be called the Kuhfluctwasserfalle?
[2023/03/04 09:37] Mizou Vavoom: if its realistic then fine by me too
[2023/03/04 09:37] Sudane Erato: I forget 
[2023/03/04 09:37] Lilith Ivory: the waterfalls in AM
[2023/03/04 09:37] Sudane Erato: ahh... yes!
[2023/03/04 09:37] Sudane Erato: where the cows hang out
[2023/03/04 09:37] Sandy Burgess: There is a whole area called that
[2023/03/04 09:39] Rosie Gray: I think the descriptions are looking really good... but we still need more for Locus Amoenus
[2023/03/04 09:39] Sandy Burgess: That is one possible explanation. There are two on the website. On states that it is where the cows flee from the sun and the other state its a tweaked Roman word
[2023/03/04 09:39] Leslie Allandale: Are we all agreed the the document is moving along well?
[2023/03/04 09:39] Rosie Gray: like a description of the waterfront, the river, etc.
[2023/03/04 09:39] Rosie Gray: I think it is, Les
[2023/03/04 09:40] Sudane Erato: I think the doc looks great!
[2023/03/04 09:40] Leslie Allandale: yay
[2023/03/04 09:40] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2023/03/04 09:41] Leslie Allandale: Shall we move on, then?
[2023/03/04 09:41] Mizou Vavoom: yes
[2023/03/04 09:41] Rosie Gray: yes please
[2023/03/04 09:42] Leslie Allandale: Covenants.
[2023/03/04 09:43] Sudane Erato: nice picture
[2023/03/04 09:43] Leslie Allandale: I have been drowning in RL, but promise to work on this this week.
[2023/03/04 09:43] Sandy Burgess: The picture is great
[2023/03/04 09:43] Leslie Allandale: May we table?
[2023/03/04 09:43] Rosie Gray: the covenants?
[2023/03/04 09:44] Lilith Ivory: /me raises her hand
[2023/03/04 09:44] Leslie Allandale: yes, Rosie.
[2023/03/04 09:44] Leslie Allandale: Lilith.
[2023/03/04 09:44] Lilith Ivory: I have one thing I really want to get added to the general covenant
[2023/03/04 09:44] Lilith Ivory: and that is that citizens have to restrict media to their own parcels
[2023/03/04 09:44] Leslie Allandale: Go.
[2023/03/04 09:45] Leslie Allandale: I agree.
[2023/03/04 09:45] Rosie Gray: yes, good point!
[2023/03/04 09:45] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2023/03/04 09:45] Sandy Burgess: I agree. Any specific reasons?
[2023/03/04 09:45] Rosie Gray: because they spam their neighbours otherwise
[2023/03/04 09:45] Lilith Ivory: also I wonder if we really need the restriction of subletting
[2023/03/04 09:45] Leslie Allandale: Media is annoying.
[2023/03/04 09:46] Lilith Ivory: one might want to have a hotel and rent out rooms per day to visitors or one might ant to rent out boxes in his stable
[2023/03/04 09:46] Lilith Ivory: of course a "rented" room will not make one a citizen
[2023/03/04 09:47] Sudane Erato: thats where we always got hung up on that topic
[2023/03/04 09:47] Sudane Erato: whether renting made you a citizen
[2023/03/04 09:47] Mizou Vavoom: yes sounds like an old topic
[2023/03/04 09:47] Lilith Ivory: if we are very clear on NO it makes no sense to keep it in the covenant
[2023/03/04 09:47] Sandy Burgess: I would say no - renting is not buying land - which is a long term thing.
[2023/03/04 09:48] Sudane Erato: true
[2023/03/04 09:48] Rosie Gray: well it would go against our whole idea of citizenship if a subleaser got citizenship
[2023/03/04 09:48] Lilith Ivory: and if one rents a room one might want to become a citizen by buying land after a while
[2023/03/04 09:48] Sudane Erato: i agree... but allowing renting always made that topic come up
[2023/03/04 09:48] Rosie Gray: personally I can't see it happening very much
[2023/03/04 09:48] Lilith Ivory: I am strictly against giving subletters citizenship
[2023/03/04 09:48] Mizou Vavoom: Has there been a demand for renting?
[2023/03/04 09:48] Leslie Allandale: Good point,Lilith.
[2023/03/04 09:49] Lilith Ivory: there often have been ideas about having a hotel or offering rooms for newbies
[2023/03/04 09:49] Mizou Vavoom: ah ok
[2023/03/04 09:49] Lilith Ivory: and ... that owner of the politi group subletted illegally without our knowlede
[2023/03/04 09:49] Sudane Erato: oh my!
[2023/03/04 09:49] Mizou Vavoom: well well
[2023/03/04 09:49] Sudane Erato: a CDS criminal
[2023/03/04 09:50] Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
[2023/03/04 09:50] Mizou Vavoom: lol jail!
[2023/03/04 09:50] Rosie Gray: an SL criminal I think, in the end
[2023/03/04 09:50] Sudane Erato: Death!
[2023/03/04 09:50] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[2023/03/04 09:50] Leslie Allandale: Off with their head.
[2023/03/04 09:50] Sandy Burgess: We could make a new sim ... a prison island - and criminals have to rent there for the time of their sentence
[2023/03/04 09:50] Mizou Vavoom: he was a difficult person if i remember correctly
[2023/03/04 09:50] Rosie Gray: lol
[2023/03/04 09:50] Sudane Erato:
[2023/03/04 09:50] Mizou Vavoom: lol Sandy
[2023/03/04 09:51] Lilith Ivory: lol and I know of at least one person who uses the house of someone else and once told me she pays the owner
[2023/03/04 09:51] Rosie Gray: and I was thinking more in terms of some citizen duties, like sweeping the platz every morning for 3 months
[2023/03/04 09:51] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[2023/03/04 09:51] Sudane Erato: hehe... yes
[2023/03/04 09:51] Mizou Vavoom: lol
[2023/03/04 09:51] Sandy Burgess: I could script a broom
[2023/03/04 09:52] Mizou Vavoom: so subletting i shappening under our noses
[2023/03/04 09:52] Rosie Gray: /me thinks of an owner and subletter too
[2023/03/04 09:52] Leslie Allandale: I want to get to Sandy's Metro.
[2023/03/04 09:52] Lilith Ivory: and the restriction of subletting keeps citizens away from launching fun and interesting projects I think
[2023/03/04 09:53] Sandy Burgess: Actually I never really saw why it was forbidden. Renters don't get citizenship ... I would not even have had that idea and they have to stick to the covenant
[2023/03/04 09:53] Rosie Gray: good point, let's move along
[2023/03/04 09:53] Sandy Burgess: Ok
[2023/03/04 09:53] Leslie Allandale: Sandy.
[2023/03/04 09:53] Leslie Allandale: You're up
[2023/03/04 09:53] Sudane Erato: I suggest that these covenant ideas get submitted to the RA for approval so they can get done
[2023/03/04 09:54] Sudane Erato: sorry
[2023/03/04 09:54] Sandy Burgess: Wait - I have to set up what I thought up ... only thought about a possible route
[2023/03/04 09:54] Leslie Allandale: of course, Sudane.
[2023/03/04 09:54] Sudane Erato: neat!
[2023/03/04 09:56] tototol: Hello
[2023/03/04 09:56] Lilith Ivory: Hi Toto
[2023/03/04 09:56] Rosie Gray: hello tototol
[2023/03/04 09:56] Lilith Ivory: welcome
[2023/03/04 09:56] tototol: Thank you
[2023/03/04 09:56] tototol: What is everyone doing?
[2023/03/04 09:56] Lilith Ivory: we are having a Land use commission meeting right now
[2023/03/04 09:57] Lilith Ivory: but you are free to join us
[2023/03/04 09:57] Sandy Burgess: There are a few problems like crossing privat parcels and reasonable pathway
[2023/03/04 09:57] tototol: I will take up that offer
[2023/03/04 09:57] Sandy Burgess: The possible thing I thought up is we could start at the gates of CN and end in front of the Cabaret
[2023/03/04 09:58] Rosie Gray: /me squints closely at the diagrams
[2023/03/04 09:58] Sudane Erato: Sandy, this would be an air borne route?
[2023/03/04 09:58] Sandy Burgess: Yes
[2023/03/04 09:58] Sudane Erato: like a cable car
[2023/03/04 09:58] Sudane Erato: or a ski lift
[2023/03/04 09:59] Sandy Burgess: We would only cross one or two private parcels which we certainly would need to discuss with the owners
[2023/03/04 09:59] Leslie Allandale: I took Sandy to one that seems to work well.
[2023/03/04 09:59] Sandy Burgess: I set out some pillars along the rout so if you wish we can go make a little field trip after the meeting
[2023/03/04 10:00] Sudane Erato: Sandy, if we are using that red line
[2023/03/04 10:00] Rosie Gray: oh I'd like to see that, Sandy
[2023/03/04 10:00] Sudane Erato: I can see an easy way not to cross any private parcels
[2023/03/04 10:00] Lilith Ivory: sorry but I have to run back to RL now
[2023/03/04 10:00] Lilith Ivory: see you folks
[2023/03/04 10:00] Rosie Gray: bye Lilith
[2023/03/04 10:00] Sudane Erato: bye!!
[2023/03/04 10:00] tototol: Take care
[2023/03/04 10:00] Leslie Allandale: bye
[2023/03/04 10:00] Sandy Burgess: The one that is working looks good but I would prefer going to some old style like steel pilars and ancient gondolas
[2023/03/04 10:00] Mizou Vavoom: bye
[2023/03/04 10:01] Sandy Burgess: See you Lilith
[2023/03/04 10:01] Sudane Erato: that would be neat
[2023/03/04 10:01] Mizou Vavoom: Sorry but I need to make RL dinner, will leave Mizou here
[2023/03/04 10:01] Leslie Allandale: Absolutely, Sandy. I have been looking.
[2023/03/04 10:01] Rosie Gray: okay Mizou ㋡
[2023/03/04 10:02] Leslie Allandale: (:
[2023/03/04 10:02] Sandy Burgess: We have to consider terrain and not only parcels. We need spots that are in line of sight from the previous pillar
[2023/03/04 10:02] Sandy Burgess: See you Mizou
[2023/03/04 10:02] Rain Alderbury: is online.
[2023/03/04 10:02] Sudane Erato: yes
[2023/03/04 10:02] Rosie Gray: is there some reason they couldn't go over the roads?
[2023/03/04 10:02] Sudane Erato: I assume it would
[2023/03/04 10:03] Sandy Burgess: I would stay over the road - its unprecise touch here
[2023/03/04 10:03] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[2023/03/04 10:03] Rosie Gray: so if they are over the roads, they aren't on private parcels
[2023/03/04 10:03] Sandy Burgess: no
[2023/03/04 10:03] Sudane Erato: well... the road thru AM is VERY twisty turny
[2023/03/04 10:04] Sudane Erato: after you leave the Mexana
[2023/03/04 10:04] Sandy Burgess: We cannot use that road up the hill - its too twisted as Sudane said
[2023/03/04 10:04] Leslie Allandale: The ski run?
[2023/03/04 10:04] Sandy Burgess: Perhaps we could go around that parcel - would need to look at the terrain
[2023/03/04 10:05] Leslie Allandale: is public, isn't it?
[2023/03/04 10:05] Rosie Gray: the Mexana is private
[2023/03/04 10:05] Sandy Burgess: What is the Mexana?
[2023/03/04 10:05] Sudane Erato: the big parcel there is Pip's old place... owned now by my friend Jeanne Schimmer
[2023/03/04 10:06] Sudane Erato: I know that she would be accomodating
[2023/03/04 10:06] Rosie Gray: it's the restaurant owned by Tor that used to be owned by Naftali
[2023/03/04 10:06] Sandy Burgess: You should be able to draw lines on the board
[2023/03/04 10:06] Sudane Erato: oh my!
[2023/03/04 10:06] Sudane Erato: I just drew that one
[2023/03/04 10:07] Sudane Erato: the two rectangular parcels by the box in NFS are public land
[2023/03/04 10:07] Sudane Erato: so once you get there
[2023/03/04 10:07] Moon Adamant: is online.
[2023/03/04 10:07] Leslie Allandale: Could we make a group to help Sandy?
[2023/03/04 10:07] Sudane Erato: its easy to get to the cabaret door
[2023/03/04 10:08] Sandy Burgess: We are just at the start of this project - so thinking up possibilities ... and I don't know the land well enough
[2023/03/04 10:09] Rosie Gray: that looks quite good the way it's drawn now
[2023/03/04 10:09] Sandy Burgess: As I said we can make a field trip and have a look at the pillars to see what it would look like
[2023/03/04 10:09] Rosie Gray: let's do that!
[2023/03/04 10:09] Sudane Erato: sure
[2023/03/04 10:09] Leslie Allandale: yay.
[2023/03/04 10:10] Sudane Erato: should we end the meeting?
[2023/03/04 10:10] Sandy Burgess: Ok - I would propose ... as Sudane said
[2023/03/04 10:10] Leslie Allandale: When?
[2023/03/04 10:10] Rosie Gray: there's new business
[2023/03/04 10:10] Sudane Erato: next date and everything?
[2023/03/04 10:10] Sandy Burgess: After the meeting
[2023/03/04 10:10] Leslie Allandale: k
[2023/03/04 10:10] Sudane Erato: yes, the new business
[2023/03/04 10:11] Leslie Allandale: LUC
[2023/03/04 10:11] Draxtor Despres: is offline.
[2023/03/04 10:12] Stevie Morane Basevi (Stevie Basevi): is online.
[2023/03/04 10:12] Leslie Allandale: It would be ironic if I were the first chair a decade ago ant now the last one.
[2023/03/04 10:13] Sudane Erato:
[2023/03/04 10:13] Rosie Gray: I'm not sure there's much for us to say about it... this would be for the RA, no?
[2023/03/04 10:13] Sandy Burgess: You'd have made the full circle
[2023/03/04 10:13] Sudane Erato: I liked Sandy's post in the forum
[2023/03/04 10:13] Rosie Gray: yes I did as well
[2023/03/04 10:13] Sandy Burgess: The decission is RA but the LUC can make a statement either way
[2023/03/04 10:13] Sandy Burgess: Thank you
[2023/03/04 10:13] Leslie Allandale: Yes, but I wanted members to know, Rosie.
[2023/03/04 10:14] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2023/03/04 10:14] Sandy Burgess: For those who have not read it: viewtopic.php?t=10254&sid=db8aeb17e9f4e ... 56bbdca3b8
[2023/03/04 10:14] Leslie Allandale: And comment, if desired.
[2023/03/04 10:14] Sudane Erato: well... I am NOT addicted to meetings... so anything that lessens them is welcome
[2023/03/04 10:15] Sandy Burgess: Please do. We will make (hopefully) make a decission on the next RA meeting next week. if you have anything to say please do because otherwise you will not be heard
[2023/03/04 10:15] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2023/03/04 10:16] Sudane Erato: most of us have weighed in I think?
[2023/03/04 10:16] Rosie Gray: i guess I haven't
[2023/03/04 10:16] Rosie Gray: but I will
[2023/03/04 10:16] Leslie Allandale: The things on our agenda are appropriate to this group, and would be a pain for anyone else.
[2023/03/04 10:16] Sandy Burgess: And if the LUC wants to make a statement I could bring that to the RA meeting
[2023/03/04 10:17] Sudane Erato: Leslie... I think that anything on this agenda could certainly be discussed in the Guild
[2023/03/04 10:18] Sandy Burgess: Yes they are but in fact they ultimately fall into the Chancellors resort if I understand correctly. And nobody stops the chancellor from seeking advice
[2023/03/04 10:18] Sudane Erato: exactly
[2023/03/04 10:18] Sudane Erato: we are advisory... and to some extent pressed into work service
[2023/03/04 10:18] Rosie Gray: I agree with Sudane, and also the idea that for specific items like updating the Covenants, that could be done by temporary committees, as Sandy suggests
[2023/03/04 10:19] Sudane Erato: so could the Guild... and so could some new amalgam of both
[2023/03/04 10:19] Sandy Burgess: /me chuckles
[2023/03/04 10:20] Leslie Allandale: Why would you want to make a series of commities, when you already have one?
[2023/03/04 10:21] Leslie Allandale: committees
[2023/03/04 10:22] Sandy Burgess: You could call them committee or work group. Nobody will be stopped to help in CDS but Chancellor Moon's question is: Do we need LUC. And the founding history shows its not necessary all the time.
[2023/03/04 10:22] Leslie Allandale: It could meet only when necessary
[2023/03/04 10:23] Sandy Burgess: If you want to keep LUC running please state your arguments in the forum so they are public and can be considered
[2023/03/04 10:24] Rosie Gray: I think that since we are almost all the same people as in the guild, and anyone interested can join the guild, that the LUC is redundant. Also, for the times that a special committee/workgroup is needed for something, that it might feel less of a committment for people to just take one one specific project instead of endless o nes.
[2023/03/04 10:24] Mizou Vavoom: /me nods
[2023/03/04 10:25] Leslie Allandale: I respect my old friends here, and they want to move on,
[2023/03/04 10:25] Rosie Gray: it can feel daunting for people to join something like the LUC, for some
[2023/03/04 10:25] Sandy Burgess: And I guess in the next committee we will see the same people anyway
[2023/03/04 10:25] Sudane Erato:
[2023/03/04 10:26] Mizou Vavoom: So does that mean that Land use will be in the hands of the Guild?
[2023/03/04 10:26] Sandy Burgess: But then it is for one project like CDS20B event group ... and be done once that is over
[2023/03/04 10:26] Rosie Gray: land use is in the hands of the Chancellor, as it always has been
[2023/03/04 10:26] Sudane Erato: Mizou, all this is purely advisory
[2023/03/04 10:26] Sandy Burgess: It will be in the hands of the Chancellor
[2023/03/04 10:26] Sudane Erato: exactly
[2023/03/04 10:26] Mizou Vavoom: ah ok
[2023/03/04 10:27] Rosie Gray: I think the LUC served its purpose over the years, but things change ㋡
[2023/03/04 10:27] Sandy Burgess: The guild certainly will be asked to do things ... and perhaps be asked how they would do that. But they will not make the decissions
[2023/03/04 10:27] Mizou Vavoom: I can think of former Chancellor taking over the website and everyting else, but we are a more peaceful place since that period
[2023/03/04 10:27] Sudane Erato: lol ... from your mouth to God's ear
[2023/03/04 10:27] Mizou Vavoom:
[2023/03/04 10:28] Rosie Gray: /me nods at Mizou
[2023/03/04 10:28] Sandy Burgess: AND we (RA) should change the law so it is possible to call for a commission when needed
[2023/03/04 10:28] Leslie Allandale: We all seem to be on the same page, so it is up to the RA, now.
[2023/03/04 10:28] Mizou Vavoom: /me agrees
[2023/03/04 10:28] Sudane Erato: yes
[2023/03/04 10:28] Leslie Allandale: Thank you.
[2023/03/04 10:28] Sandy Burgess: I see some reservations from Leslie's side
[2023/03/04 10:28] Sudane Erato:
[2023/03/04 10:28] Rosie Gray: so we fullfill our duties until the law is changed
[2023/03/04 10:29] Leslie Allandale: Yes.
[2023/03/04 10:29] Rosie Gray: awh, well the LUC was Leslie's baby, initially
[2023/03/04 10:29] Rosie Gray: it's always hard to see the baby leave the nest
[2023/03/04 10:29] Mizou Vavoom: it served us well :0
[2023/03/04 10:29] Leslie Allandale: I am very proud.
[2023/03/04 10:30] Sudane Erato: )
[2023/03/04 10:30] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2023/03/04 10:30] Mizou Vavoom: and so you should be Leslie
[2023/03/04 10:30] Sandy Burgess: /me nods. As I said: Please tell us on the website. I am not opposed to change my mind. But at the moment the arguments are mostly set
[2023/03/04 10:30] Rosie Gray: I agree!
[2023/03/04 10:30] Sandy Burgess: You can be proud on what you achieved over the years
[2023/03/04 10:31] Leslie Allandale: With out change there is stagnation.
[2023/03/04 10:31] Rosie Gray: indeed
[2023/03/04 10:31] Leslie Allandale: Usually a smelly proposition.
[2023/03/04 10:31] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2023/03/04 10:32] Leslie Allandale: Anything else?
[2023/03/04 10:32] Sudane Erato: next meeting?
[2023/03/04 10:32] Leslie Allandale: K
[2023/03/04 10:32] Leslie Allandale: Suggestions?
[2023/03/04 10:33] Sudane Erato: 1 month?
[2023/03/04 10:33] Sandy Burgess: 1st of April ... I'll make the fool
[2023/03/04 10:33] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2023/03/04 10:33] Rosie Gray: /me drags out the calendar
[2023/03/04 10:33] Leslie Allandale: ty Rosie.
[2023/03/04 10:33] Rosie Gray: April 1 is fine for me
[2023/03/04 10:34] Leslie Allandale: Me too.
[2023/03/04 10:34] Sudane Erato: and me
[2023/03/04 10:34] Mizou Vavoom: me too
[2023/03/04 10:34] Rosie Gray: 9:00 am slt?
[2023/03/04 10:34] Leslie Allandale: Done.
[2023/03/04 10:34] Sandy Burgess: Yep
[2023/03/04 10:34] Sudane Erato: it'll be springtime!
[2023/03/04 10:35] Leslie Allandale: Adjourn, then?
[2023/03/04 10:35] Sandy Burgess: So anybody want to come to a field trip after we are done here?
[2023/03/04 10:35] Rosie Gray: it's on the calendar
[2023/03/04 10:35] Sudane Erato: I'll come
[2023/03/04 10:35] Rosie Gray: yes I do Sandy
[2023/03/04 10:35] tototol: Can I join too?
[2023/03/04 10:35] Rosie Gray: sure you can
[2023/03/04 10:35] Sudane Erato: sure!
[2023/03/04 10:35] Leslie Allandale: sure.
[2023/03/04 10:35] Sandy Burgess: I will post the next LM in local chat
[2023/03/04 10:35] Rosie Gray: okay
[2023/03/04 10:35] Sudane Erato: ok
[2023/03/04 10:35] Sandy Burgess: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/C ... /64/102/31