[10:32] Rosie Gray: seeing as it is 10:32, I'll call this meeting to order ㋡
[10:32] Sudane Erato: ok!
[10:32] Rosie Gray: The Agenda is pposted here: viewtopic.php?t=10523
[10:33] Rosie Gray: does anyone have anything to add to it?
[10:33] Sudane Erato: looks good to me... be lovely if we could get thru it 
[10:33] Rosie Gray: if not can I have a Motion to accept the Agenda
[10:34] Sudane Erato: I so move
[10:34] Rosie Gray: thanks Sudane
[10:34] Lilith Ivory: I move to approve the agenda
[10:34] Lilith Ivory: I second
[10:34] Rosie Gray: and thanks Lilith
[10:34] Rosie Gray: now the Minutes of the previous meeting please
[10:35] Rosie Gray: they look good to me... I'll make the Motion to accept the Minutes as presented
[10:35] Sudane Erato: oh
[10:35] Sudane Erato: do you have the link?
[10:35] Lilith Ivory: (sorry for taking my time posting them)
[10:35] Rosie Gray: it's on the Agenda... but one sec
[10:35] Rosie Gray: viewtopic.php?t=10521
[10:35] Moon Adamant: uh, I am missing lol
[10:35] Sudane Erato: oh... sorry!
[10:35] Rosie Gray: you are missing, Moon?
[10:36] Rosie Gray: oh... the Attendees! yes I see
[10:36] Sudane Erato: ahh... yes... i read them before
[10:36] Sudane Erato: I move we approve the minutes
[10:36] Moon Adamant: for a minute i wondered if i had been here lol
[10:36] Rosie Gray: with the addition of Moon Adamant as one of the members attending
[10:36] Lilith Ivory: sorry Moon, having magic edit power I will add you
[10:36] Sudane Erato: after adding Moon
[10:37] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[10:37] Rosie Gray: is there a second?
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: Moon is added
[10:37] Lilith Ivory: I second
[10:37] Rosie Gray: thanks Lilith
[10:37] Rosie Gray: vote pelase
[10:38] Rosie Gray: please*
[10:38] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:38] Sandy Burgess: aye
[10:38] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:38] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:38] Rosie Gray gives Moon a POKE!
[10:38] Sudane Erato: hehe
[10:38] Moon Adamant: aye, sorry!
[10:38] Rosie Gray: hehe
[10:39] Sudane Erato: its that turkey!
[10:39] Rosie Gray: thanks, motion carried
[10:39] Rosie Gray: old business
[10:39] Rosie Gray: 3.1. Locus Ameonus covenant update review (Lilith)
[10:39] Rosie Gray: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZE_ ... f6p3hzi6xc
[10:40] Rosie Gray: viewtopic.php?p=51825#p51825
[10:40] Lilith Ivory: I added a little text about the boat parcels and if we are fine with it I think the covenant draft is ready to go to the RA
[10:40] Rosie Gray: that second link is for the posting on the forum
[10:40] Lilith Ivory: still we have to decide if we want to discuss reparceling as a seperate topic
[10:41] Rosie Gray: Tor noticed a minor thing and Jerry asked a question
[10:41] Sudane Erato: Jerry's question was actually interesting
[10:41] Sudane Erato: two issues
[10:41] Lilith Ivory: lets not mix the LA covenant and the general covenant
[10:41] Sudane Erato: one... definition of non-natural sounds ???
[10:42] Sudane Erato: and two, how to do the land setting
[10:42] Rosie Gray: this is still about the General Covenant
[10:42] Lilith Ivory: ah ok, so we are done with the lA covenant?
[10:42] Lilith Ivory: LA
[10:42] Sudane Erato: oh... ok... although that issue might as well apply across all sims
[10:42] Lilith Ivory: Jerry’s comment was about the general covenant
[10:42] Rosie Gray: oh hmmm... maybe I mixed them up on the Agenda
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: ah ok I was just wondering as you said:
[10:43] Lilith Ivory: [10:39] Rosie Gray: .1. Locus Ameonus covenant update review (Lilith)
[10:43] Rosie Gray: it's the General Covenant that is posted on the forum, not the LA covenant... sorry about that
[10:44] Sudane Erato: and we're on the General one now, right?
[10:44] Rosie Gray: no, sorry we are on the LA covenant
[10:44] Rosie Gray: I put the second link in the wrong place on the Agenda
[10:44] Rosie Gray: just fixed it
[10:44] Rosie Gray: if you refresh your page (if you are looking at the Agenda) you'll see
[10:45] Rosie Gray: so, Lilith yes, we are still talking about the LA covenant
[10:45] Lilith Ivory smiles
[10:45] Rosie Gray: and I agree that it's ready to go to the forums and RA
[10:45] Sudane Erato: shall we move that?
[10:46] Rosie Gray blushes
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: I had the job to write something about the boat parcels
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: 4. Zone F (Boat Parcels)
Parcel F01 - F07
Parcels for watercraft, marina buildings and underwater gardens: All permanent buildings must fit the Mediterranean theme and need to be approved by the chancellor.
[10:46] Moon Adamant: yes, i was reading that
[10:46] Rosie Gray: it's simple and works I think
[10:46] Sudane Erato: looks fine to me
[10:46] Moon Adamant: i think it works
[10:47] Rosie Gray: someone like to make the motion to post this to the forum and send to the RA?
[10:47] Sudane Erato: I so move
[10:47] Rosie Gray: thanks Sudane
[10:47] Lilith Ivory: I second
[10:47] Rosie Gray: thanks Lilith
[10:47] Rosie Gray: all in favour?
[10:47] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:47] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:47] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:47] Moon Adamant: aye
[10:48] Sandy Burgess: aye
[10:48] Rosie Gray: motion carried, thanks ㋡
[10:48] Lilith Ivory: phew
[10:48] Sudane Erato: hehe
[10:48] Rosie Gray: hehe
[10:48] Rosie Gray: okay....
[10:48] Rosie Gray: 3.2. General Covenant review
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sVu ... obmj1p9e0e
And as posted on the forums:
viewtopic.php?p=51825#p51825
[10:49] Rosie Gray: hello Agatha ㋡
[10:49] Agatha Macbeth waves
[10:49] Lilith Ivory: something seems to be wrong with this link
[10:49] Lilith Ivory: Hi Agatha
[10:49] Rosie Gray: viewtopic.php?p=51825#p51825
[10:49] Sudane Erato: so this is where the sound issue comes in
[10:49] Rosie Gray: yes
[10:50] Rosie Gray: I think Jerry was wondering about adding instructions about how to restrict sounds
[10:50] Moon Adamant: hi Agatha ㋡
[10:50] Agatha Macbeth:
[10:50] Sudane Erato: like I said... 2 issues here
[10:50] Moon Adamant: well, we EMs put a lot of sound restrictions on the parcels
[10:50] Lilith Ivory: when reading the draft the fist time I wondered too if the sound issue needs to be explained but stayed away from mentioning it as Rosie has a point it might not belong in the covenant
[10:50] Sudane Erato: I don't think we need instructions in the covenants
[10:50] Rosie Gray: I don't either
[10:50] Moon Adamant: but we do that as parcels show up for sale... eventually we will get all of them ㋡
[10:51] Rosie Gray: right Moon
[10:51] Lilith Ivory: perhaps a line about asking an EM for help if needed might be good tho
[10:51] Sudane Erato: we can always explain that elsewhere... like in the new HUD
[10:51] Bull Hynes is online.
[10:51] Rosie Gray: what is your concern, Sudane?
[10:51] Sudane Erato: but... how can we allow some sounds escaping and prohibit others?
[10:51] Sudane Erato: i see no way to do that
[10:51] Lilith Ivory: imo thats easy
[10:52] Sudane Erato: I think that the setting should be specified one way or the other... for all sounds
[10:52] Lilith Ivory: IF someone insists in having howling Zombies in the basement that person has to restrict object sounds to the parcel only
[10:52] Moon Adamant: i find it harder maybe to define what are the accepted soundscapes
[10:52] Sudane Erato: Moon I agree
[10:52] Rosie Gray: well if you restrict MOAP, that is the media stuff that is annoying
[10:53] Rosie Gray: but it doesn't restrict 'sounds'
[10:53] Sudane Erato: exactly
[10:53] Rosie Gray: they are two separate settings
[10:53] Sudane Erato: we NEED a rule which corresponds to existing settings possibilities
[10:53] Lilith Ivory: right spaming TVs are easy to restrict now and won't keep folks away from hearing sounds of nature coming in
[10:53] Rosie Gray nods at Lilith
[10:53] Rosie Gray: I like the way the settings on this parcel are right now
[10:54] Rosie Gray: Sounds are allowed
[10:54] Lilith Ivory: me too
[10:54] Lilith Ivory: but I wonder if the settings stay like this if a parcel changes owner
[10:54] Rosie Gray: I think they do
[10:54] Lilith Ivory: good
[10:54] Sudane Erato: they do, yes
[10:54] Sandy Burgess: Settings don't change on change of user
[10:54] Sudane Erato: but
[10:54] Rosie Gray: I've noticed that I don't always have to check the Media to restrict MOAP
[10:55] Sudane Erato: that doesn't answer the problem
[10:55] Rosie Gray: Sandy, the Options tab does
[10:55] Sudane Erato: what if the resident wants their zombies
[10:55] Sudane Erato: like Lil says
[10:55] Rosie Gray: because we always have to reset from 'everyone' being able to build
[10:56] Sudane Erato: who's to say that "we don't want zombie sounds sneaking out"?
[10:56] Rosie Gray: zombie sounds aren't 'natural' sounds
[10:56] Lilith Ivory giggles
[10:56] Rosie Gray: lol
[10:56] Sudane Erato: they're natural for zombies
[10:57] Sudane Erato: if you're going to allow some sounds and restrict others, you have to define the differences
[10:57] Sudane Erato: not just say "natural"
[10:57] Sandy Burgess: But zombies are not natural - they need some Frankenstein or Necromancer to create them
[10:57] Sudane Erato: pfft
[10:57] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[10:58] Lilith Ivory: I guess we have a lot of necromancers here in CDS
[10:58] Rosie Gray: I don't think we've had any issues with this
[10:58] Rosie Gray: has anyone come across any?
[10:58] Tori Landau: back after cleaning up after the cat being sick and the chat is full of zombie talk hehe
[10:58] Agatha Macbeth: Better than necrophiliacs...
[10:58] Rosie Gray: haha, wb Tori
[10:58] Rosie Gray: mostly the annoying sounds have been from media
[10:59] Lilith Ivory: now you make me think about those adult animesh caracters lol
[10:59] Sudane Erato: The issue was raised by Jerry and I think its a valid concern
[10:59] Moon Adamant: wb Tori ㋡
[10:59] Lilith Ivory: I think Jerry mentioned it as we had to talk with him as his laptop spammed whole LA for a while
[10:59] Moon Adamant: natural suggests that only sounds from nature can be played
[10:59] Rosie Gray: that's my interpretation too, Moon
[11:00] Rosie Gray: 11. All non-natural, non-environmental sounds must be restricted to the parcel boundaries.
[11:00] Sudane Erato: shrug
[11:00] Rosie Gray: that seems pretty clear to me
[11:00] Moon Adamant: but I think if we have a staging for a café, say, it could have a bit of coffee shop soundscape
[11:00] Lilith Ivory looks at Rosie and remembers the sound of the wings of her owl had to be silenced as someone complained
[11:00] Sudane Erato: you all are making my point for me
[11:00] Moon Adamant: but I am ok about restricting to parcel, mind
[11:01] Rosie Gray: I would hate to miss all of the ambient type sounds
[11:01] Lilith Ivory: same here Rosie
[11:01] Rosie Gray: like the sounds of a cafe
[11:01] Rosie Gray: or birds or wind
[11:01] Rosie Gray: but I don't want to hear someone's video playing
[11:01] Sudane Erato: but that's media
[11:02] Rosie Gray: yes, so easily managed
[11:02] Sudane Erato: exactly
[11:02] Sudane Erato: its the zombies... the natural zombies
[11:02] Rosie Gray: lol
[11:02] Lilith Ivory: the videos are Moap the nature sounds are something else
[11:02] Rosie Gray: well do you have a suggestion to improve this?
[11:02] Sudane Erato: I have those Botanical sound generators... quite sophisticated
[11:03] Lilith Ivory: yea me too
[11:03] Rosie Gray: me too
[11:03] Sudane Erato: and the can generate sounds... especially the Halloweeen one
[11:03] Sudane Erato: that include all kinds of weirdness
[11:03] Moon Adamant: so if MOAP is teh real issue
[11:03] Sudane Erato: no, MOAP is notf the issue
[11:03] Moon Adamant: maybe have the line that all parcels should have MOAP restricted?
[11:03] Rosie Gray: well this is where you would refer to the rule
[11:04] Sudane Erato: its sounds taht are the issue... Object sounds
[11:04] Sandy Burgess: Which sound generators do you use?
[11:04] Rosie Gray: I use scripts that I put into other objects
[11:04] Sudane Erato: I use all the Botanical ones
[11:04] Lilith Ivory: well there are other sounds too
[11:04] Rosie Gray: we could add that line about MOAP
[11:04] Sudane Erato: incl the Halloween... but I don't like the zombie sounds, so i turn them off
[11:05] Moon Adamant: then it's "Restrict gesture and object sounds to this parcel"?
[11:05] Lilith Ivory: crackling fire, dream catchers
[11:05] Sudane Erato: thats the one Moon
[11:05] Rosie Gray: no because that stops everything
[11:05] Moon Adamant: hm
[11:05] Rosie Gray: all the birds, the fires, the dreamcatchers yes
[11:06] Rosie Gray: do we have to clarify everything... I mean can't people be expected to have some common sense?
[11:06] Moon Adamant: well, when you step inside teh sounds play
[11:06] Sudane Erato: LOL
[11:06] Sudane Erato: Rosie... people have common sense??
[11:06] Lilith Ivory: but I guess folks want to hear the sounds from outside
[11:06] Rosie Gray grins
[11:06] Moon Adamant: no, they can't 
[11:06] Moon Adamant: but would tehy?
[11:06] Sandy Burgess: In the US people need to be informed that coffee is hot because that is not common sense ...
[11:06] Rosie Gray: yes I want to hear the birds and the horses when I walk past someone's parcel
[11:07] Lilith Ivory: same here
[11:07] Rosie Gray: lol, Sandy
[11:07] Lilith Ivory: and if I don't want to hear something I find and mute it
[11:07] Sudane Erato: Sandy, that's true... so as to avoid lawsuits
[11:07] Rosie Gray: yes
[11:07] Sudane Erato: no common sense at all
[11:07] Sandy Burgess: Since we talk legalities ...
[11:08] Moon Adamant: then, you see... no way to deal with this
[11:08] Rosie Gray: other than how we have been
[11:08] Rosie Gray: complaint driven, mainly
[11:08] Moon Adamant: because what happens if i want to put an alarm clock, say, at my house?
[11:08] Sudane Erato: the way to deal with this, IMO, is to more extensively define what is allowed and what is not
[11:08] Sudane Erato: natural vs un-natural doesn't do it, IMO
[11:09] Rosie Gray: If my 6 roosters are annoying you, you can complaint to the Chancellor who will tell me that my 6 roosters arent acceptable
[11:09] Moon Adamant: then that's the answer?
[11:09] Sudane Erato: but roosters are natural!
[11:09] Moon Adamant: if noices are too much , complain to Chancellor?
[11:09] Moon Adamant: noises*
[11:09] Lilith Ivory: the chancellor should show you how to mute them
[11:09] Rosie Gray: so they are, but it isn't acceptable to have 6 of them ㋡
[11:09] Sudane Erato: poor Chancellor
[11:09] Moon Adamant: that's why natural vs unnatural isn't teh way to go
[11:09] Lilith Ivory grins
[11:10] Rosie Gray: honestly though, is it a big problem or are we making a mountain from a molehill?
[11:10] Lilith Ivory: once I had a neighbor with a dreamcatcher which was lovely for a while
[11:10] Moon Adamant: the second, I think ㋡
[11:10] Lilith Ivory: but after I stayed at my parcel for several hours it became annoying
[11:10] Rosie Gray nods
[11:10] Moon Adamant: look, EMs put on a lot of restrictions that most people will leave on
[11:10] Rosie Gray: but then you can find it and mute it for yourself
[11:10] Lilith Ivory: the most important thing is to restrict Moap I think
[11:11] Moon Adamant: one of that is MOAP, so no youTube sounds, etc
[11:11] Tori Landau: ..... since there's no easy way to say which sounds are allowed and which aren't maybe not have sounds coming from parcels and instead have natural sounds, as I think there already are, on the common land that people hear as soon as they leave their parcels
[11:11] Rosie Gray: I think that's too restrictive, myself
[11:12] Sudane Erato: Tori, that's the cleanest solution
[11:12] Moon Adamant: Tori is right that we can make soundscapes on the commons land
[11:12] Rosie Gray: I like to hear someone's windchimes as I walk past... but I totally get that they could be annoying if you spend hours beside them
[11:12] Sudane Erato: but might become boring... same old sounds year after year
[11:12] Rosie Gray: exactly, Sudane
[11:13] Moon Adamant: well, they can be reviewed every now and then?
[11:13] Rosie Gray: and doesn't allow someone's careful soundscaping to be heard
[11:13] Moon Adamant: but Rosie
[11:13] Moon Adamant: you can step in the parcel to hear it
[11:14] Lilith Ivory: I am not in favpor to restrict sounds to parcel in as a general rule
[11:14] Rosie Gray: I know, but I don't want to invade someone's parcel to hear and how would I even know?
[11:14] Rosie Gray: to me the soundscaping is really important
[11:14] Rosie Gray: it makes a place feel alive
[11:14] Moon Adamant: ok but then some people will have noise
[11:14] Sudane Erato: Rosie, I totally agree with that!
[11:14] Moon Adamant: simple
[11:14] Sandy Burgess: Restricting sounds to parcels would also restrict the sounds from outside that I might want to hear
[11:15] Rosie Gray: exactly, Sandy
[11:15] Rosie Gray: okay I have just turned off Sounds on this parcel
[11:15] Rosie Gray: it is absolutely soundless and boring
[11:15] Lilith Ivory: I think we should either leave the lines about sounds as it is or strike any restriction but the media sound
[11:16] Sudane Erato: yes, totally soundless
[11:16] Sudane Erato: but we are ON the parcel
[11:16] Rosie Gray: just turned them back on
[11:16] Sudane Erato: the issue here is cross parcel lines
[11:16] Sudane Erato: that music in the background IS rather annoying
[11:17] Lilith Ivory: I bet its moap
[11:17] Rosie Gray: I don't hear any music
[11:17] Agatha Macbeth: Me either
[11:17] Sudane Erato: a short piano tune
[11:17] Agatha Macbeth: Nope
[11:17] Lilith Ivory: I don't hear anything too right now
[11:17] Sudane Erato: it went off when Rosie turned off sound
[11:17] Rosie Gray: oh Delia has a piano somewhere that I muted ages ago... maybe you hear that?
[11:17] Sudane Erato: now back on
[11:17] Moon Adamant: so we don't even hear the same things ㋡
[11:18] Sudane Erato:
[11:18] Moon Adamant: moot point then?
[11:18] Rosie Gray: just turned my speakers up high and I still don't hear a piano
[11:18] Agatha Macbeth: All I hear is people typing
[11:18] Lilith Ivory: same here Rosie
[11:18] Rosie Gray: Agatha, maybe you don't have sounds turned on?
[11:19] Sudane Erato: oh my... I hear lots of sounds, which all went off when Rosie turrned off sound
[11:19] Rosie Gray: don't forget you can also control these things too
[11:19] Agatha Macbeth: Yes I do, I'm sure
[11:19] Rosie Gray: I hear lots of sounds too Sudane, but no music
[11:19] Sudane Erato: water, birds
[11:19] Agatha Macbeth: Yep, definitely on
[11:19] Moon Adamant: people, if we do not all of us have the exact same cound experience, this discussion is a bit void
[11:19] Moon Adamant: same sound experience*
[11:19] Lilith Ivory: still TVs ARE annoying if you hear them
[11:20] Rosie Gray: I would vote for adding the line about must having MOAP restricted, but leave the rest as is
[11:20] Moon Adamant: agree with Rosie
[11:20] Lilith Ivory: good idea
[11:20] Sudane Erato: ok
[11:20] Tori Landau: there might be another consideration to take into account... we are all quite experienced at being to mute objects
[11:20] Sandy Burgess: I also agree with Rosie
[11:20] Tori Landau: but not everyone, even some who have been in SL for a long time, are able to do so
[11:20] Rosie Gray: true, Tori, but they can learn ㋡
[11:20] Lilith Ivory: they can always ask an EM for help
[11:21] Sandy Burgess: You are right Tori - many old SL users have shockingly little knowledge about that kind of stuff
[11:21] Moon Adamant: motion to vote on: adding the line about must having MOAP restricted, but leave the rest of sound text as is
[11:22] Rosie Gray: I'll second that
[11:22] Lilith Ivory: I second
[11:22] Rosie Gray: vote
[11:22] Lilith Ivory: aye
[11:22] Moon Adamant: aya
[11:22] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:22] Sudane Erato: aye
[11:22] Rosie Gray: Sandy?
[11:22] Sandy Burgess: aye
[11:22] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:22] Rosie Gray: motion carried
[11:23] Rosie Gray: whew
[11:23] Rosie Gray: okay 3.3 Colonia Nova review... Moon wants to table this item
[11:23] Moon Adamant: if you all agree... i am rather busy and haven't prepared
[11:24] Sudane Erato: ok w me
[11:24] Rosie Gray: it's fine ㋡
[11:24] Lilith Ivory: ok with me
[11:24] Sandy Burgess: I'm fine with that
[11:24] Rosie Gray: 3.4 Historical signs to make
[11:24] Moon Adamant: TY all ㋡
[11:24] Rosie Gray: I've made 1 more sign, which is now at the bridge in NFS
[11:25] Rosie Gray: am working on them
[11:25] Moon Adamant cams
[11:25] Sudane Erato: neat
[11:25] Moon Adamant: what end?
[11:25] Rosie Gray: platz end
[11:25] Rosie Gray: it whispers, but you can't hear it from here
[11:25] Sudane Erato: i see it
[11:25] Moon Adamant: "welcome to Neufreistadt"?
[11:26] Moon Adamant: looks fine to me!
[11:26] Agatha Macbeth: Oh nice
[11:26] Moon Adamant: defilitely will start typing Noyfrystadt
[11:26] Rosie Gray: hehe
[11:26] Sudane Erato: Loks great!
[11:26] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[11:27] Rosie Gray: and there's a list of places for signs so I will plod through them
[11:27] Rosie Gray: and eventually go back and voice them
[11:27] Tori Landau: Is it a 'detect avatar' or 'touch' sign Rosie?
[11:27] Rosie Gray: touch, tori
[11:27] Tori Landau: ok
[11:27] Rosie Gray: don't want to be spamming people
[11:27] Lilith Ivory: I am not a big fan of detect AVs sighns
[11:28] Rosie Gray: me either
[11:28] Moon Adamant: collision detect is ok... not very laggy
[11:28] Rosie Gray: but can be annoying
[11:29] Lilith Ivory: would signs like this work for blind people Tori or would we need something special for them?
[11:29] Rosie Gray: I had to mute the troll over the NFS bridge 
[11:29] Moon Adamant: if it does repeat
[11:30] Tori Landau: If the sign says in the object name and description that it is touch to read
[11:30] Rosie Gray: it does say in the description of this one
[11:30] Tori Landau: ah thanks Rosie!
[11:30] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: Welcome to Neufreistadt!
[11:30] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: Neufreistadt (noy FRY stadt) or New Free City is the oldest of the regions that comprise the Confederation of Democratic Simulators (CDS).
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: Neufreistadt is among the first private regions in Second Life, and dates from 2005.
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: CDS was established in 2004 as Neualtenburg at Anzere in the Snowlands.
[11:31] Lilith Ivory: Hi Mandry
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: The town itself is inspired by the real-life medieval town of Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Bavaria, Germany.
[11:31] MΛNDЯY - Please (mandry.demonia): hiya )
[11:31] Sandy Burgess: Hi Mandry
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: Feel welcome to explore the region.
[11:31] Moon Adamant: hi Mandry!
[11:31] Agatha Macbeth: Hello
[11:31] Sandy Burgess: Nice to see you
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: Neufreistadt hosts interesting buildings open to the public including...
[11:31] Rosie Gray: hello Mandry ㋡
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: the Bierhaus, Kirche, Schloss, Kendraturm, and the Neufreistadt-Schule.
[11:31] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: There are some secret places to discover in the catacombs below too... if you dare.
[11:31] MΛNDЯY - Please (mandry.demonia): just checking my stream out there ) see you later
[11:32] Tori Landau: I'll ask Anjoux to examine the one on the bridge
[11:32] Welcome to Neufreistadt sign whispers: For more information about the CDS visit our website: https://cdsdemocracy.org/
[11:32] Moon Adamant: later! ㋡
[11:32] Tori Landau: Hi Mandry!
[11:32] Rosie Gray: thanks Tori, that would be good feedback
[11:32] Rosie Gray: anything else about the signs?
[11:33] Moon Adamant wonders what is the Kendraturm
[11:33] Lilith Ivory: the clock tower
[11:33] Lilith Ivory: it might be the oldest building in NFS
[11:33] Moon Adamant: ok, i was guessing it would be
[11:33] Rosie Gray: oh is it?
[11:34] Rosie Gray: interesting
[11:34] Moon Adamant: still looks fine under the HDRI
[11:34] Rosie Gray: 3.5 Request to the Scientific Council to move the guild forums to the correct place*******
[11:34] Rosie Gray: sooooo
[11:34] Lilith Ivory hides under her chair
[11:34] Moon Adamant: the timber section with the windows... the sphere at the top now is very reflective
[11:34] Rosie Gray: lol
[11:34] Moon Adamant: lol
[11:35] Lilith Ivory: I still think a request to the dean would be best
[11:35] Lilith Ivory: once I got myself a bloody nose by fumbling with the forum because a friend told me to do so
[11:35] Rosie Gray: I think that's already been done by Almut
[11:36] Agatha Macbeth checks Lilith's nose
[11:36] Rosie Gray nods at Lilith
[11:36] Lilith Ivory: I can mention it at the next SC meeting if Delia or Calli have not acted before
[11:36] Rosie Gray: on November 11, 2023, Almut as the LRA sent a request via notecard to Callipygian, Dean of the SC
[11:36] Rosie Gray: Dear Callipygian, honorable Dean of the Scientific Council,
hereby, I officially request to move the Artisan Guild Forum section to the branch "Government Announcements", since the CDSL 39-01 Artisan Guild Act has changed its status from an NGO to a governmental organization.
Thank you in advance for your efforts, and kind regards
Almut Brunswick
LRA of the 39th Term
[11:37] Lilith Ivory: I wish I could remember where the guild forum has been before
[11:37] Lilith Ivory: did it really got moved down`?
[11:38] Rosie Gray: well it is currently under Commissions & Non-Governmental Orgs
[11:38] Moon Adamant: hmmm checks
[11:38] Rosie Gray: I don't actually know where it should go, except it shouldn't be there
[11:38] Moon Adamant: can't recall...
[11:39] Moon Adamant: under Discussions?
[11:39] Rosie Gray: maybe just its own category?
[11:39] Lilith Ivory: that would be a good idea
[11:39] Lilith Ivory: as the guild is not really a 4. branch of the government
[11:40] Rosie Gray nods
[11:40] Sudane Erato: Government Announcements
[11:40] Rosie Gray: it's Public Works
[11:40] Sudane Erato: since that group incls discussions as well
[11:40] Sudane Erato: Well... we are not an NGO
[11:40] Sudane Erato: so
[11:41] Sudane Erato: we are a GO
[11:41] Rosie Gray: no, but we're also not Government per se
[11:41] Moon Adamant: make a place just for us ㋡
[11:41] Sudane Erato: we're special
[11:41] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:41] Lilith Ivory: I will have this item put on the agenda of the next SC meeting
[11:41] Lilith Ivory: if nothing happens before
[11:42] Rosie Gray: thank you Lilith
[11:42] Rosie Gray: NEW BUSINESS!
[11:42] Rosie Gray: yaya
[11:42] Sudane Erato: yay!
[11:42] Sandy Burgess: I'm afraid I need to leave soon since I am the organizer of the party.
[11:42] Rosie Gray: firstly, Tori has something for us
[11:42] Rosie Gray: okay Sandy, see you soon ㋡
[11:43] Moon Adamant: see you in a bit Sandy ㋡
[11:43] Tori Landau: Yes, I've created a sandbox area at Ferny Nook - 64 x 64 parcel with platform, water and underwater so that scripts and builds of all types can be built
[11:43] Agatha Macbeth: It's great
[11:43] Lilith Ivory: thank you Tori
[11:43] Moon Adamant: TY ㋡
[11:43] Tori Landau: There is a transporter between platform and ground
[11:43] Sudane Erato: it IS great
[11:43] Sandy Burgess: Thank you Tori
[11:43] Tori Landau: It's for the Land Verwaltung group
[11:43] Rosie Gray: thanks Tori, that's very kind ㋡
[11:43] Moon Adamant: that is very cool Tori ㋡
[11:44] Tori Landau: SLurl: Ferny Nook (197,5,2701)
[11:44] Tori Landau: If you have any suggestions for it please let me know °͜°
[11:44] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:45] Sandy Burgess: See you soon.
[11:45] Sandy Burgess waves as she vanishes into the Aether.
[11:45] Sudane Erato: bye!
[11:45] Agatha Macbeth: TC Sandy
[11:45] Rosie Gray: should we table everything else? Sandy isn't here to talk about cable cars, or Tor for staging
[11:45] Lilith Ivory: I'm fine with that
[11:46] Tori Landau: I should say that Ferny Nook is currently undergoing rebuilding works so it's a bit of a mess on ground level.
[11:46] Rosie Gray: aah, the fun time, Tori!
[11:46] Agatha Macbeth: Looked nice to me
[11:46] Tori Landau: Thanks °͜°
[11:47] Lilith Ivory: sadly I should leave soon
[11:47] Sudane Erato:there a bit of stuff
[11:47] Rosie Gray: I gues everyone knows about Mizou and Rain's classroom for Blender they have now
[11:47] Lilith Ivory: should we dicide on a next time to meet?
[11:47] Agatha Macbeth:bye!
[11:48] Moon Adamant: it's on calendar already
[11:48] Tori Landau:incl the agenda you'll see
[11:48] Rosie Gray touches the annoying chick
[11:48] Lilith Ivory: hehehe
[11:48] Rosie Gray: yes let's choose a date
[11:48] Moon Adamant: hmmm no time yet
[11:48] Sudane Erato: same time is good for me
[11:49] Rosie Gray: how is Feb 10th?
[11:49] Rosie Gray: hi Cathy!
[11:49] [OO]Annoying Chick (wear!): OK, I will talk again.
[11:49] Sudane Erato: looks good to me
[11:49] Agatha Macbeth: Hello Cathy
[11:49] Rosie Gray: just in time for picking our next meeting date
[11:49] Tori Landau:here's a debating club
[11:49] Cathy Sabre: Hello all
[11:49] Agatha Macbeth:mm hmm good with html 'design'
[11:49] Cathy Sabre: I got kicked
[11:49] Sudane Erato:where's kafka? i don't know that you meant to discuss things
[11:49] Cathy Sabre: sighs
[11:49] Agatha Macbeth:she's not at the 'official' reason, are planning of legislation!
[11:50] Agatha Macbeth:enough! heh
[11:50] Agatha Macbeth: Awww
[11:50] Cathy Sabre:egads i'm 9 hours for me
[11:50] [OO]Annoying Chick (wear!): OK, I shut up. 
[11:50] Sudane Erato: whats making the talking??
[11:50] Rosie Gray: Lilith's annoying chick
[11:50] Rosie Gray: hehe
[11:50] Lilith Ivory giggles
[11:50] Tori Landau: oh!
[11:50] Agatha Macbeth: I can definitely hear that! 
[11:50] Lilith Ivory: she wanted out too
[11:50] Moon Adamant: hi Cathy ㋡
[11:50] Sudane Erato: oh!!!!
[11:50] Agatha Macbeth: But still no piano
[11:50] Sudane Erato: I fouind the piano
[11:50] Moon Adamant: that chick is great ㋡
[11:51] Lilith Ivory grins
[11:51] Sudane Erato: its halfway down AM
[11:51] Sudane Erato: Angelika Coutrtois' house
[11:51] Rosie Gray: oh.. guess I haven't had the pleasure of that one
[11:51] Rosie Gray: lol
[11:51] Sudane Erato: her pendulum clock
[11:51] Sudane Erato: if you're closer, you might hear it
[11:52] Sudane Erato: Pip's old parcel
[11:52] Rosie Gray: so Feb 10th at 10:30 again works for everyone?
[11:52] Sudane Erato: yes!
[11:52] Moon Adamant: yes
[11:52] Lilith Ivory: yes
[11:52] Cathy Sabre: Yes
[11:53] Rosie Gray: excellent
[11:53] Rosie Gray: Motion to adjourn the meeting
[11:53] Sudane Erato: second
[11:53] Lilith Ivory: I second
[11:53] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:53] Moon Adamant: aye
[11:53] Sudane Erato: aye
[11:53] Lilith Ivory: aye
[11:53] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[11:53] Rosie Gray: thanks all!