Transcript Guild meeting at the MoCa placement
Present: Mizou Vavoom, Almut Brunswick, Kyoko Furse-Barzane[Samara Barzane], Lilith Ivory, Coolin Seaside, Sudane Erato, Callipygian Christensen
Pictures:
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[08:57] Lilith Ivory: HI Mizou and Almut
[08:57] Mizou Vavoom: Hi Lilith, Kyoko, almut
[08:57] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kyoko
[08:57] Almut Brunswick: Hallo Lilith
[08:58] Mizou Vavoom: I am wondering if we will get more Guild members
[08:58] Lilith Ivory: it´s always helpful to send out a group note 24h before the meeting
[08:58] Almut Brunswick: I haven't seen Rosie and Delia so far
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: yes, totally forgot yesterday
[08:59] Almut Brunswick: yes, I saw it just accidentally, too
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: Rosie has RL obligations
[08:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): zzzzLOL
[08:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): the sinner is here
[08:59] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) giggles
[08:59] Lilith Ivory: I was totally surprised as I was thinking we only have a LUC meeting today
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: Ok is it possible to make the current MoCa dissappear?
[08:59] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kyoko (now that you are in chat range
[08:59] Mizou Vavoom: yes we will as well
[09:00] Mizou Vavoom: the LUC meeting that is
[09:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): you can derender the building temporarily I think
[09:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): but the artwork will remain
[09:00] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): new exhibit!!
[09:00] Mizou Vavoom: ok could you derender it Kyoko? and will we all see it as derendered
[09:00] Lilith Ivory: here comes Sudane
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): ask sudane to
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): not sure I can
[09:01] Lilith Ivory: I think anyone has derender for oneself
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): yes
[09:01] Lilith Ivory: Kyoko, why don´t you just .... *giggles
[09:01] Mizou Vavoom: ok
[09:01] Almut Brunswick: Done
[09:01] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it won't be 100% as it's in parts
[09:02] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): shut it Lilith
[09:02] Mizou Vavoom: ok i derendered for me
[09:02] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:02] Mizou Vavoom: but it still shows
[09:02] Lilith Ivory: I see only parts now
[09:03] Mizou Vavoom: ok same here now i will bring down new shape proposal
[09:04] Lilith Ivory: Hi Sudane
[09:04] Sudane Erato: Hey... looks like the old one to me
[09:04] Lilith Ivory: we have derendered the old one so we can see what Mizou does
[09:05] Sudane Erato: hmmm
[09:05] Mizou Vavoom: ok here it is in place (more or less)
[09:05] Sudane Erato: I see them both
[09:05] Lilith Ivory: did you derender the old one temporarily?
[09:05] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): we've derendered temp I hope LOL
[09:05] Mizou Vavoom: i have derendered the old one for myself
[09:05] Mizou Vavoom: yes temp lol
[09:06] Sudane Erato: how do you "derender"?
[09:06] Coolin Seaside: Hello...
[09:06] Sudane Erato: hi
[09:06] Callipygian Christensen: edit>more>more>derender>temporary
[09:06] Lilith Ivory: right click more more, derender
[09:06] Mizou Vavoom: right-click, more, derender/ temp
[09:06] Lilith Ivory: HI Calli, Hi Coolin
[09:06] Sudane Erato: oh!
[09:06] Mizou Vavoom: Hi Coolin
[09:06] Callipygian Christensen: oops..no edit lol
[09:07] Lilith Ivory: (I learned this trick with some very old waves in NE )
[09:07] Coolin Seaside: Hi, I am just curious, don't let me disturb your important work
[09:07] Sudane Erato: when does it come back?
[09:07] Almut Brunswick: I think after relog
[09:07] Lilith Ivory: I guess the next time you log in
[09:07] Callipygian Christensen: when you relog
[09:08] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[09:08] Callipygian Christensen: it's a photgrapher's best friend lol
[09:08] Sudane Erato: you learn something every day
[09:08] Almut Brunswick: hence "temporarily"
[09:08] Sudane Erato:
[09:08] Lilith Ivory: it´s higher than the old one right?
[09:09] Mizou Vavoom shouts: Can you all maybe walk around the new space please?
[09:09] Callipygian Christensen: I am seeing a sea of grey, but it appears to be a bit bigger than the parcel lines to me?
[09:10] Callipygian Christensen: or maybe it just will be moved forward a bit
[09:12] Lilith Ivory: I am sorry but I am not happy with the fact it is one floor higher than before
[09:13] Almut Brunswick: Lilith, it rarely happens that we both agree, but that is also my concern
[09:13] Sudane Erato:
[09:13] Lilith Ivory grins
[09:13] Almut Brunswick: Well, even if so, the volumes are different then
[09:13] Sudane Erato: but i ask again... is it set at the right intyended elevation?
[09:13] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane) is not touching terraforming LOL
[09:14] Lilith Ivory: Kyoko, I just said that I am not happy at all with the high
[09:14] Lilith Ivory: it is one floor higher than before and doesn´t look good
[09:14] Fearless Temptation (danifightgirl) is offline.
[09:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): can we flatten the terrain?
[09:15] Almut Brunswick: one floor less would surely better. A terrace on top, however, would be nice
[09:15] Lilith Ivory: nope, I don´t think so
[09:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it was designed to be at street level
[09:15] Lilith Ivory: if you flatten the terrain all surrounding houses will get affected
[09:15] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): ok my mistake
[09:16] Almut Brunswick: haha..."Kyoko'a Modern Art Cavern"
[09:16] Lilith Ivory: hehe, that would work ;_)
[09:16] Mizou Vavoom: yes i agree with Lilith, flattening would be a tricky thing on such a small plot
[09:16] Lilith Ivory: this is the first time I hear the new MOCa is going to become higher than the old
[09:16] Almut Brunswick: "Is it a bungalow?" "No, it has three basement levels..."
[09:16] Sudane Erato: wait wait
[09:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): it isn't
[09:16] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): oh come on
[09:16] Callipygian Christensen: it actually will sit higher wont it? Or is the intention for the legacy pice to float on the upper level?
[09:17] Sudane Erato: the terra elevation can certainly be lowered
[09:17] Mizou Vavoom: well i really thought that we had measured it correctly to fit with current levels
[09:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): yes
[09:17] Sudane Erato: that should not be a constraining issue
[09:17] Lilith Ivory: if Sudane says she can do that I am fine
[09:17] Lilith Ivory: I just don´t want the new Moca to stick out more than the old one
[09:17] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): well let's see if sudane can
[09:18] Sudane Erato: this is why i ask if the build is at the intended elevation
[09:18] Mizou Vavoom: yes it really sticks out, much to high in my mind as well
[09:18] Sudane Erato: it seems as if it should be a bit lower
[09:18] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): no it is not at the intended elevation
[09:18] Mizou Vavoom: could you all pan to the outside top level please?
[09:18] Sudane Erato: how do you get in from the street?
[09:18] Lilith Ivory: especially with the huge plain walls at the back side
[09:18] Mizou Vavoom: i was going to add stairs in the front poart Sudane
[09:19] Sudane Erato: i see
[09:19] Callipygian Christensen: so could we see it at the intended elevation?
[09:19] Mizou Vavoom: it looks out of proportion with the rest imho
[09:19] Sudane Erato: well... the terra level should not be a contraint... we can certainly lower it..
[09:19] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree Mizou
[09:20] Sudane Erato: but not below the level of... for example, Gwynethstrasse
[09:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): Sudane just said the terra level is not a constraint
[09:20] Sudane Erato: yes, that's my opinion
[09:20] Mizou Vavoom: ok i move it down, then we can see, if it makes a difference
[09:20] Lilith Ivory: dig a hole and burry the MoCa inside
[09:20] Sudane Erato:
[09:20] Sudane Erato: no
[09:20] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I am sorry that I hung a new exhibit. I just got inspired
[09:21] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): It would be easier to see
[09:21] Mizou Vavoom: this is at street level now
[09:21] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): do you want me to remove th artworks?
[09:21] Sudane Erato: no no
[09:21] Mizou Vavoom: dont think that will make a difference Kyoko
[09:21] Callipygian Christensen: that puts adam ramona's piece half in the ceiling
[09:22] Mizou Vavoom: i have moved it where it would be, but still too ginormeous
[09:23] Mizou Vavoom: i really think that the bigger floors on top are too big
[09:23] Sudane Erato: mizou... I think not too enormous... but
[09:23] Lilith Ivory: imo, it´s just that additional floor that sticks out too much
[09:23] Mizou Vavoom: yes ?
[09:23] Sudane Erato: the north and south walls are large plain surfaces
[09:23] Lilith Ivory: yes that too
[09:23] Mizou Vavoom: the sides?
[09:23] Sudane Erato: while the view from east and west is interesting
[09:23] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:24] Mizou Vavoom: so i can make the two plain walls in steps, would that help?
[09:24] Sudane Erato: something needs to break the nroth and south views into more organic shapes
[09:24] Callipygian Christensen: well a gallery does need some wall space to actaully hang art on
[09:24] Almut Brunswick: I like these "steps" there
[09:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): sudane says we can terraform to Gynethstrasse
[09:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): that would make a difference
[09:24] Sudane Erato: I agree Almut, the steps are nice
[09:24] Sudane Erato: but the external view... the mass of the build
[09:24] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): I think the floors could be less tall
[09:25] Sudane Erato: looks very bulky from north and south
[09:25] Almut Brunswick: but the front to the street is somehow looking like it wants to "eat" the poor houses on the other side of the street
[09:25] Sudane Erato: but very wonderful from east and west
[09:25] Kyoko Furse-Barzane (samara.barzane): can you imagine it lower with some terraforming?
[09:25] Almut Brunswick: yes, that blends well
[09:25] Sudane Erato: yes... it does lean over them
[09:25] Lilith Ivory: I have to agree with Almut
[09:25] Sudane Erato: *shrug*
[09:25] Lilith Ivory marks this day at her calendar
[09:26] Sudane Erato: hehe
[09:26] Almut Brunswick draws a red circle around the date "July 3"
[09:26] Mizou Vavoom: ok so N & S to fix
[09:26] Almut Brunswick: hahahaha
[09:26] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:26] Sudane Erato: Mizou, that would be my opinion
[09:26] Lilith Ivory: Almut we should celebrate 3th july every year
[09:26] Mizou Vavoom: should lower floor not be so high?
[09:26] Sudane Erato: YES!
[09:26] Almut Brunswick: Sounds like a plan
[09:27] Mizou Vavoom: then what about the finish of the roof section? any ideas to make it more interesting?
[09:27] Callipygian Christensen: If the overhang were on the opposite side, over the stepped section, it wouldnt overhang houses and would look neat I think
[09:27] Almut Brunswick: these tilted window fronts remind me a bit of an airfield tower. or race track architecture :d
[09:27] Sudane Erato:
[09:28] Sudane Erato: I like Calli's idea
[09:28] Mizou Vavoom: i can add more stepped section, no problem, so that it doesn't 'eat the houses'
[09:28] Sudane Erato: yummy houses!
[09:28] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[09:28] Mizou Vavoom: poor yummy houses lol
[09:28] Callipygian Christensen: you could then step the frotnt up square instead of angled..it would impose on the street less but still have character
[09:29] Mizou Vavoom: yes, thats an idea Calli
[09:29] Mizou Vavoom: the overhang is a bit too much
[09:29] Mizou Vavoom: well, thats me back to the drawing board
[09:29] Almut Brunswick: you could create a house like that - but then it would need a huge place in front
[09:29] Sudane Erato:
[09:30] Lilith Ivory: and other modern building s beside
[09:30] Mizou Vavoom agree Almut
[09:30] Almut Brunswick: here, you are forced to respect the proportions of the other houses and the street geometry
[09:30] Mizou Vavoom: we can have another mini Guild meeting to check the MoCa with steps
[09:30] Callipygian Christensen: having the overhang angles at the back also balances the view if you look at the whole city from the south
[09:31] Callipygian Christensen: it offsets some of the volume of the Schloss that way
[09:31] Mizou Vavoom: yeah the back looks much nicer
[09:31] Almut Brunswick: Calli, I was about to say that: From teh distance, the MoCA would even cover the Schloss
[09:32] Sudane Erato: Mizou, maybe you can bring in some curved shape as well?
[09:32] Mizou Vavoom: sure, where would you have the curves Sudane?
[09:32] Almut Brunswick: Bézier curves are your friend, Mizou
[09:32] Mizou Vavoom: they are Almut
[09:33] Sudane Erato: I have specific idea... but for me the major issue is the external appearance and how it fits into the city
[09:33] Almut Brunswick: The front could have curved contours
[09:33] Lilith Ivory: yes exactly Sudane
[09:33] Mizou Vavoom agree with Sudane
[09:33] Sudane Erato: so... if you zoom out... you can visualize bulk shapes that relate to the other bulk shapes
[09:34] Sudane Erato: the city has lots of angles and corners and all... but it also has some curved shapes
[09:34] Almut Brunswick: and that with a lovely plain concrete texture....yummy
[09:34] Sudane Erato: well... Almut... the texture is something else
[09:34] Mizou Vavoom: yes, it looks too big and bulky for th emoment
[09:34] Sudane Erato: I presume that is not settled
[09:35] COCA Yven is online.
[09:35] Almut Brunswick: I think what could help to get a feeling for the proportaions are the given ceiling heights of the surrounding houses
[09:35] Mizou Vavoom: ok i am removing the build and we have the LUC meeting now
[09:35] Mizou Vavoom: yes Almut
[09:35] Sudane Erato: Mizou, I think the overall bulk as it is now is OK... it just needs more organic relating to the rest of the town