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OpenOffice still has orders of magnitude more features than Notepad, and the metaphor loses nothing if I replace Microsoft Word with OpenOffice. I only used the former because Microsoft Word is more familliar. I use OpenOffice, which, incidentally, was what I used to write those very codes.

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I note with satisfaction that you have been unable to address my point regarding the Wikipedia criticism of modern word processors as being the typical example of bloatware.

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[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":3qclia9b]What an apt analogy considering this excerpt from the Wikipedia definition of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloatware:3qclia9b]bloatware[/url:3qclia9b][/quote:3qclia9b]

That one gets a big ROFL from me! Never heard of "bloatware" but now I will [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_ ... t:3qclia9b]know it when I see it[/url:3qclia9b].

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[quote="Justice Soothsayer":12fs73an]I see several significant problems with the Code of Procedures beyond its length and legalese, and am still considering it. I'll post more on it in a day or so for further digesting.[/quote:12fs73an]

I'm sure that there are problems with it: it can't be perfect on a first draft :-) I've already spotted an error by way of omission with the summary banishment pro forma, which I will update in a moment. Thank you for taking the trouble to read it properly rather than just dismising it because it is long.

Incidentally (and this is now not a reply specifically to Justice), this code is the implimentation of exactly the procedural rules that I had stipulated in my original posts about a proposal for a legal system, which can be found [url=http://forums.neufreistadt.info/viewtop ... g:12fs73an]here[/url:12fs73an].

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[quote="Diderot Mirabeau":2xwdbbpe]I note with satisfaction that you have been unable to address my point regarding the Wikipedia criticism of modern word processors as being the typical example of bloatware.[/quote:2xwdbbpe]

I address it by explaining its irrelevance: since you cited OpenOffice as the perfect alternative to Microsoft Word, and since I pointed out that OpenOffice will fit my metaphor as well as MS Word (but for the fact that it is less familliar to many), that MS Word is bloatware is irrelevant.

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[quote="Ashcroft Burnham":enviinlw]since you cited OpenOffice as the perfect alternative to Microsoft Word, and since I pointed out that OpenOffice will fit my metaphor as well as MS Word (but for the fact that it is less familliar to many), that MS Word is bloatware is irrelevant.[/quote:enviinlw]
You do not hesitate to misrepresent my position to make it suit your argument, do you?

If you bother to take a closer look at the Wikipedia excerpt it does not deal with Microsoft products specifically but rather with modern day word processors in general inter alia including OpenOffice Writer.

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For instance, when I search Google for the meaning of "resile", the first link that appears is from the "Dictionary of Difficult Words". To paraphrase Mark Twain, we should avoid using L$5 words when a L$.50 word would do.

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I was replying to you, not to Wikipedia. What word processor do you use - Notepad?

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[quote="Justice Soothsayer":2kwtqubj]For instance, when I search Google for the meaning of "resile", the first link that appears is from the "Dictionary of Difficult Words". To paraphrase Mark Twain, we should avoid using L$5 words when a L$.50 word would do.[/quote:2kwtqubj]

Ahh, you'd prefer that I word those bits differently, would you?

Were you referring to this bit:

[quote:2kwtqubj]1.No party may resile from any agreement contained in a memorandum of admission without leave of the court?[/quote:2kwtqubj]

Hmm... The trouble is, once one gets to know a word, it is not easy to track whether other people find it a difficult word or do not know it. I cannot think of an obvious synonym for "resile", so how about:

[quote:2kwtqubj]1. No party shall cease to be bound by any agreement contained in a memorandum of admission without leave of the court?[/quote:2kwtqubj]

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On this specific point, why do you consider this a matter of procedural law rather than substantive law of contract? Are you rejecting, as a matter of procedure, the possiblity of "efficient breach" of contract? (If you don't know that term -- you may learn it at the Posner lecture.)

I am also in the process of "flyspecking" the Code of Procedure. I will post, as an alternative, a much distilled and reduced version -- adding by subtracting. That said, I would still prefer to junk the whole project.

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[quote="Beathan":2m7dpmry]On this specific point, why do you consider this a matter of procedural law rather than substantive law of contract?[/quote:2m7dpmry]

Because an admission of fact is not a contract, whereby a party promises something in return for something else, an admission is a formal declaration that one will not put another party to proceedings to proof or dispute a given proposition of fact. They are quite different in nature.

[quote:2m7dpmry]Are you rejecting, as a matter of procedure, the possiblity of "efficient breach" of contract? (If you don't know that term -- you may learn it at the Posner lecture.)[/quote:2m7dpmry]

I know all about "efficient breach": it was a subject that I studied in some depth in both my undergraduate and postgraduate law degrees.

[quote:2m7dpmry]I am also in the process of "flyspecking" the Code of Procedure. I will post, as an alternative, a much distilled and reduced version -- adding by subtracting. [/quote:2m7dpmry]

What would be far more helpful is if you were to post, in respect of each bit that you propose to throw away, why having that particular part there is a bad, rather than a good thing.

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[quote="Ashcroft Burnham":11pt5ff1]I was replying to you, not to Wikipedia.[/quote:11pt5ff1]
That is quite a weak comeback. It quite obviously tries to circumvent the fact that I was basing my argumentation on the Wikipedia definition.

[quote="Ashcroft Burnham":11pt5ff1]What word processor do you use - Notepad?[/quote:11pt5ff1]
I use [url=http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/product/w ... m:11pt5ff1]WriteRoom[/url:11pt5ff1] but I don't expect you to have heard of that much less see the benefits of it.

When I need a bit more functionality I use Google Docs (the former Writely) or gOffice.

I use OpenOffice Writer or TextMaker only as a layout tool.

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If it makes any difference, I normally use MSWord. However, in my work with SLNN I have found that using Word presents a few problems:
1. It is not possible to copy or paste text from SL into or from Word.
2. Typing in Word and then pasting onto the SLNN site adds unnecessary formatting that screws up the articles.

So instead, when it relates to SL, I use TextEdit.
Just thought you might enjoy another ironic but true comparison. :-)

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I use vi (vim, actually -- for syntax coloring). If formatting is required, I write it in html on vim, or for longer papers LaTex :-).

Uh, yes. Back on topic, I am actually making the attempt to read the document; because you know, there is nothing more pleasing to me than exchanging leisure time for reading this 95-page document. I'll post my comments... uh... whenever I feel like it.

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I wanted to share my daily horoscope with the group, because, as with every good daily horoscope, it is brimming with simple wisdom and common sense.

"A long line of reasoning may be sound, but unless it's also memorable, it won't be followed. Condense your ideas into as short a form as possible."

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