Transcript of CDS RA Meeting, July 11, 2010

[Rose Springvale]

[9:01] Rose Springvale: Thank you all for being here today, i know everyone is busy and i appreciate you taking the time for the government of CDS
[9:01] Rose Springvale: We'll come to order now, and open to floor to the citizens.
[9:02] Rose Springvale: smiles at Trebor...
[9:02] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you Rose, I have no questions at the moment.
[9:02] Lilith Ivory: Hi Pip
[9:02] Rose Springvale: i'll remind everyone that CDS meetings are recorded and transcripted, so if you speak, it will be recorded
[9:02] Rose Springvale: hello pip
[9:02] Sonja Strom: Hi Pip
[9:03] Pip Torok: hi Rose, Sonja
[9:03] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Gwyn
[9:03] Lilith Ivory: Hi Tor
[9:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Hi Tor
[9:03] Tor Karlsvalt: hi kas, Cindy, pip rose and pat
[9:03] Rose Springvale: today's agenda and the recommendations of the communications commission are in the box on the table, so if you want to look those over, just touch the box
[9:03] Rose Springvale: hello tor
[9:04] Sonja Strom: hi Tor
[9:04] Rose Springvale: anyone have general community concerns we can talk about now?
[9:04] Kaseido Quandry: hi Tor!
[9:05] Lilith Ivory wonders if she is still here as nobody responds to her greetings
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: awwww Lilith
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: ah ok I´m here
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hello and sorry!
[9:05] Pip Torok: hi LILITH!!!
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: ty Gwyn hehe
[9:05] Rose Springvale: hi LILITH!
[9:05] Kaseido Quandry:
[9:05] Sonja Strom: hi Gwyneth
[9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, is it worth discussing the overall committees' work?
[9:05] Lilith Ivory: I´m used to crashes without my knowing
[9:05] Patroklus Murakami: HI LILITH! sorry
[9:06] Kaseido Quandry won't wear overalls, no matter what the committee says
[9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers* @ Kas
[9:06] Rose Springvale: well, we have that all on the agenda Gwyn, but if you have general comments, sure. and kas, you'd look cute in them!
[9:06] Arria Perreault: hi all
[9:06] Kaseido Quandry: aww, thanks Rose! :p
[9:06] Lilith Ivory has some cute overalls
[9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:06] Rose Springvale: you do!
[9:07] Arria Perreault: i am connected with my iphone
[9:07] Rose Springvale: wow, welcome Arria!
[9:07] Tor Karlsvalt: great Arria, is that a new iPhone 4?
[9:07] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Sol
[9:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:07] Lilith Ivory: hi Arria, Hi Sol
[9:07] Solomon Mosely: hi guys
[9:07] Arria Perreault: no
[9:07] Rose Springvale: Hi solomon, we are in the Concerns of citizens section for 8 more minutes
[9:08] Solomon Mosely: great, thank you
[9:08] Rose Springvale: we'll be patient arria, that iphone keyboard is a challenge
[9:08] Tor Karlsvalt: not too many citizens here
[9:08] Solomon Mosely: kind of a slow day, huh?
[9:08] Pip Torok: we cd ask Trebor how he's faring ?
[9:08] Tor Karlsvalt: i have talked to a few.
[9:08] Rose Springvale: well, it is mid summer... lot of people are traveling. SL has been pretty quiet lately
[9:09] Trebor Warcliffe: Doing well thank you.
[9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "Pretty quiet" hmm
[9:09] Trebor Warcliffe: More here for observation today in between doing RL accounting homework.
[9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: riiiight
[9:09] Pip Torok: good ... i like yr build btw
[9:09] Trebor Warcliffe: The one I purchased in CN?
[9:09] Rose Springvale: smiles at gwyn. notes the exception!
[9:09] Patroklus Murakami: i have a question if i may?
[9:09] Pip Torok: the very same
[9:09] Tor Karlsvalt: I know one citizen inqured about the status of building a new sim
[9:10] Rose Springvale: sure Pat
[9:10] Arria Perreault: i willl move my ipad now
[9:10] Patroklus Murakami: has the RA meeting to consider the merger been set yet?
[9:10] Rose Springvale: it isn't on the agenda, but the time for it is between july 22 and july 29
[9:11] Solomon Mosely: is thAt still an issue?
[9:11] Pip Torok: it is Solomon
[9:11] Patroklus Murakami: i think we should set it in advance so ppl know when it will come up
[9:11] Patroklus Murakami: *well* in advance
[9:11] Rose Springvale: well, its been on the schedule for a year but what would you like to suggest
[9:11] Rose Springvale: ?
[9:12] Patroklus Murakami: let's set a date for the RA meeting which will vote on the merger
[9:12] Patroklus Murakami: we may need to modify the 7-day vote rule too
[9:12] Rose Springvale: i think we can leave it on the regular rotation so long as it happens on or before July 22.
[9:12] Solomon Mosely: pat, why are you so afraid of the merger?
[9:12] Patroklus Murakami: ok. that works
[9:12] Solomon Mosely: i still dont get this
[9:12] Patroklus Murakami: i'm not sol
[9:12] Pip Torok: I dont understand you, Solomon
[9:13] Solomon Mosely: ok, what are you calling it then?
[9:13] Rose Springvale: smiles
[9:13] Patroklus Murakami: i just asked when the vote would be. that's all
[9:13] Rose Springvale: maybe the personal opinions can be explored privately?
[9:13] Solomon Mosely: of course
[9:13] Patroklus Murakami: it may well be a foregone conclusion but.... we still need to hold the vote
[9:13] Pip Torok: agree
[9:13] Rose Springvale: thanks Solomon
[9:13] Solomon Mosely: well no
[9:13] Solomon Mosely: if we dont vote against it, it goes on
[9:14] Arria Perreault: I have a concern. like other poeple I have deeply regretted that Aris
[9:14] Arria Perreault: a
[9:14] Patroklus Murakami: i propose that we *do* hold a vote so that it is on record
[9:14] Solomon Mosely: and it's a point we already voted on in your referendum
[9:14] Patroklus Murakami: and the CDS makes a choice
[9:14] Solomon Mosely: we did
[9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Pat
[9:14] Solomon Mosely: thanks to your referendum
[9:14] Rose Springvale: it will be on the agenda then Pat, no worries
[9:14] Patroklus Murakami: ty rose
[9:14] Solomon Mosely: or have you chosen to forget all that?
[9:14] Rose Springvale: Arria, what would you like to discuss about that?
[9:14] Arria Perreault: that Arias decided to leave.
[9:14] Patroklus Murakami: no sol. not forgotten
[9:14] Arria Perreault: tes
[9:14] Pip Torok: I dont understand you, Solomon
[9:14] Rose Springvale: i note he is still a land owner and still on the forums this morning
[9:15] Solomon Mosely: just ignored, got it
[9:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Arias has not left
[9:15] Rose Springvale: gentleman, thanks
[9:15] Rose Springvale: lets move to Arria's concern?
[9:15] Solomon Mosely: kk
[9:15] Patroklus Murakami: grow up sol
[9:15] Rose Springvale: and then we'll get started on the meeting.
[9:15] Arria Perreault: i was away this week end
[9:15] Rose Springvale: Arias owns quite a bit of land in CDS and has set some for sale i believe
[9:15] Rose Springvale: maybe you can chat with him personally?
[9:16] Rose Springvale: our 15 minutes are up, so lets move to the formal agenda
[9:16] Rose Springvale: as i said earlier, copies are in the box on the table
[9:17] Rose Springvale: For administrative matters, we had two items from last meeting that went to 7 day vote
[9:17] Arria Perreault: i just would like to express my disapointment: I ask myself what does our community to retain valuable citizen with great projects
[9:17] Tor Karlsvalt: Arias has not left
[9:17] Tor Karlsvalt: he has not set all his land for sale
[9:17] Rose Springvale: its a good question Arria, lets explore it
[9:17] Arria Perreault: he had great projects
[9:17] Tor Karlsvalt: nor had his grou[p
[9:17] Tor Karlsvalt: group
[9:18] Rose Springvale: we are on administrative matters now... we can take that issue up under concerns later, but lets keep on task if we can
[9:18] Arria Perreault: we have to encourage warmly such poeple, let them act and give to them good conditions
[9:18] Cindy Ecksol: That IS a good question, Arria.
[9:18] Pip Torok: But he has talked of other priorities, Tor
[9:18] Rose Springvale: one of the 7 day votes was the chancellor vote
[9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmh
[9:18] Tor Karlsvalt: fact is he has not left
[9:18] Arria Perreault: ok. we can take it on RA members concerns
[9:18] Cindy Ecksol: I'm thinking that Rose's organization of commissions focused on specific issues is a good start to gettig people involved
[9:18] Pip Torok agrees with Arria
[9:18] Tor Karlsvalt: despite what has been posted to the forum
[9:18] Rose Springvale: we remain deadlocked, so Sonja will remain chancellor
[9:18] Rose Springvale: order please
[9:19] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry
[9:19] Rose Springvale: the second 7 day vote was the creation of the commerce commission, which passed
[9:19] Rose Springvale: any other items to add to the agenda or can we proceed?
[9:19] Rose Springvale: i'll take silence as assent
[9:19] Trebor Warcliffe: So because of the deadlock Sonja is the Chancellor for the next term?
[9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn:
[9:20] Rose Springvale: yes
[9:20] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok understood
[9:20] Sonja Strom: For this term?
[9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: congrats. Sonja! (if you're reading this)
[9:20] Rose Springvale: ununtil a new chancellor is elected, is my reading of the law
[9:20] Trebor Warcliffe: At least thats one thing that gets accomplished.
[9:21] Sonja Strom: Until a new Chancellor is elected?
[9:21] Trebor Warcliffe: I second the ???
[9:21] Rose Springvale: the law provides that the chancellor will give the RA montly reports, and sonja is here today to give her report. You have the floor Sonja
[9:21] Pip Torok: which is only at the starrt of a Term, as I understand it
[9:23] Rose Springvale: sonja are you here?
[9:23] Cindy Ecksol: doesn't specify "the start of the term" Pip.
[9:24] Rose Springvale: Sonja has the floor folks
[9:24] Sonja Strom: Thank you Rose.
[9:24] Pip Torok: (tks, Cindy)
[9:24] Sonja Strom: We now have a new Public Information Officer, Anna Toussaint.
[9:25] Rose Springvale: applause!
[9:25] Kaseido Quandry cheers
[9:25] Tor Karlsvalt: hear hear
[9:25] Lilith Ivory: applause
[9:25] Pip Torok: great!
[9:25] Sonja Strom claps
[9:25] Arria Perreault: great
[9:25] Arria Perreault: congratulations, Anna
[9:25] Pip Torok: and welcome, Anna
[9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and thanks for applying )
[9:26] Patroklus Murakami: great news
[9:26] Sonja Strom: If you would like help coordinating an event, and especially with the promotion of it,
[9:26] Sonja Strom: of course you (or any citizen) can ask me for that, as always,
[9:27] Sonja Strom: but now you can also ask Anna for help.
[9:27] Sonja Strom: Our finances have been slowly improving over the last six months, and now we are again in the black,
[9:28] Sonja Strom: no longer in the red,
[9:28] Sonja Strom: which means that now we have some money we can spend
[9:28] Cindy Ecksol wonders when we were EVER in the red???
[9:28] Trebor Warcliffe: Do we have any accounts that are in delinquency that need to be addresed>
[9:29] Rose Springvale: lets let her report then take questions please
[9:29] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok sorry
[9:30] Sonja Strom: Yes, Cindy, the CDS was in the red for about six months during the term before I came to office as Chancellor and the first couple of months after I came to office.
[9:30] Sonja Strom: At that time we did talk about this in the RA.
[9:30] Rose Springvale: not what the treasury reports say .. but can we see the budget?
[9:31] Cindy Ecksol will ask more during questions
[9:31] Sonja Strom: Trebor, I know of no accounts that are in delinquency.
[9:31] Kaseido Quandry looks forward to reviewing the budget, and to Trebor's input on it
[9:31] Sonja Strom: We always had a Reserve, so during that period we drew funds from the Reserve.
[9:32] Sonja Strom: Rose, do you want to have the current budget, or the overall reports?
[9:32] Cindy Ecksol raises her hand
[9:32] Rose Springvale: both please
[9:32] Sonja Strom: I will provide them.
[9:33] Sonja Strom: We have also had a series of events which have gone successfully,
[9:33] Sonja Strom: including the third birthday of Al Andalus
[9:33] Sonja Strom: With regard to the budget,
[9:34] Sonja Strom: I will begin with the current budget,
[9:34] Sonja Strom: and then if you want we can talk about the past however much you choose.
[9:34] Cindy Ecksol is wondering "WHAT current budget? none has been proposed for going on two terms, and none has been approved by RA!"
[9:35] Arria Perreault: the RA doesnt approve budget
[9:35] Sonja Strom: Cindy, there is no law that says the budget must be approved by the RA.
[9:35] Rose Springvale: please folks, lets let her present it to us
[9:36] Sonja Strom: The way the budget works is described by our Treasurer, Sudane Erato, here: http://picasaweb.google.com/sudane.erat ... 6192117378
[9:36] Rose Springvale: wait
[9:36] Sonja Strom: If you will all look at those slides,
[9:36] Cindy Ecksol thinks "A budget developed by the Chancellor and not shared is a budget that does not exist"
[9:36] Rose Springvale: that's process, not numbers...
[9:36] Rose Springvale: and not current.
[9:36] Rose Springvale: can we address this term please?
[9:37] Sonja Strom: Cindy, if you would like to propose a law that the budget must be approved by the RA,
[9:37] Sonja Strom: perhaps the RA could have such a discussion.
[9:37] Sonja Strom: But at the moment the budget is a function of the Executive Branch.
[9:37] Rose Springvale: i think the finance committee is working on that, but please, lets deal with here and now?
[9:38] Cindy Ecksol: AND...needs to be shared with the community or it is irrelevant!
[9:38] Sonja Strom: Rose, the finance committee is working on what?
[9:38] Rose Springvale: do we have numbers and approval for salaries?
[9:38] Cindy Ecksol: every chancellor before you has done that.
[9:38] Patroklus Murakami: perhaps we could let sonja speak? without continual barracking?
[9:39] Rose Springvale: please continue with your report Sonja
[9:40] Sonja Strom: Thank you Rose
[9:40] Sonja Strom: Perhaps we can have a conversation later about the role of the Finance Committee,
[9:41] Sonja Strom: and how it can have input on the Executive functions with regard to the Budget,
[9:41] Sonja Strom: which are defined in the Constitution.
[9:41] Sonja Strom: For now we can return to the current budget,
[9:42] Sonja Strom: which comes from a process that has been described by our Treasurer in the presentation for which I have given you the web address.
[9:42] Sonja Strom: Considering this process,
[9:42] Sonja Strom: the current figures we have that fit within it are,
[9:44] Sonja Strom: that the 11 sims of the CDS have a monthly expense of tier to Linden Lab of US$1798,
[9:44] Sonja Strom: and, althought the calculations are a little bit complex,
[9:44] Sonja Strom: a monthly income of tier of US$2030
[9:45] Solomon Mosely: why does she skip july and august of '09?
[9:45] Sonja Strom: Solomon, the numbers I am giving you are an average of the six month term,
[9:46] Solomon Mosely: and i dont inderstand why she's measuring from 9/09 to 2/09, why not go by terms then?
[9:46] Sonja Strom: with each month a little bit different,
[9:46] Solomon Mosely: but she doesn't list the months
[9:46] Sonja Strom: but the monthly average is the numbers I am giving you.
[9:46] Sonja Strom: Oh,
[9:46] Rose Springvale: that's Sudane's report, lets let sonja go on with hers
[9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: please
[9:46] Solomon Mosely: ok, thank you sonja
[9:46] Sonja Strom: the charts in Sudane's report are showing the process.
[9:47] Sonja Strom: The process was defined at the time she made those charts,
[9:47] Sonja Strom: so the charts use the numbers from that time.
[9:47] Sonja Strom: If the same process is followed for this term as the process that was defined in those charts,
[9:48] Solomon Mosely: well, we can make sense of it when she releases the balance sheets
[9:48] Sonja Strom: today,
[9:48] Sonja Strom: they result in the numbers I am giving you now.
[9:49] Solomon Mosely: clap clap clap "thank you sonja"
[9:50] Sonja Strom: The balance sheets are posted each month here: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=224
[9:50] A group member named sachi Vixen owned by an unknown group gave you Adam n Eve - 11 July 2010.
[9:50] Sonja Strom: Those currently appearing there go up to May,
[9:51] Sonja Strom: but the Treasurer has sent all of you the balance sheet for June by email.
[9:51] Kaseido Quandry: not me
[9:51] Rose Springvale: we have that, maybe in the interest of time you can move on to your side of it?
[9:51] Rose Springvale: kas, posted on forums
[9:51] Sonja Strom: Kaseido, I will look into that.
[9:51] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, i think that is right Sonja, I just gave it to sol
[9:51] Kaseido Quandry: ok, just clarifying I haven't gotten any emails
[9:51] Tor Karlsvalt: if i get your email I will send it to you
[9:51] Rose Springvale: and the portal i think.
[9:51] Sonja Strom: Thank you Tor
[9:52] Kaseido Quandry: thanks Tor
[9:52] Arria Perreault: it will on the portal very soon
[9:52] Rose Springvale: it is public info for all the citizens to see
[9:52] Rose Springvale: thanks Arria
[9:52] Tor Karlsvalt: portalhas not been updated
[9:52] Sonja Strom: oh Kaseido, maybe I have an incorrect email address for you...
[9:52] Sonja Strom: please let me know what it is, and I will get it updated.
[9:52] Kaseido Quandry: [email protected] - thanks!
[9:53] Rose Springvale: its okay, needs to go to full community anyway.... will be available shortly and prior months are there
[9:53] Arria Perreault: i was travelling this week end
[9:53] Sonja Strom: Thank you, Kaseido.
[9:53] Rose Springvale: we have about 5 more minutes allocated to sonja. lets let her speak
[9:53] Pip Torok: (Hi Sudane)
[9:54] Sonja Strom: So, if we total the cost of our tier to Linden Lab and the tier income we have,
[9:54] Sonja Strom: our total monthly revenue is US$232
[9:55] Sonja Strom: Up to now we have been trying to put 25% of our total revenue into our Reserve,
[9:55] Sonja Strom: but the Finance Committee meetings are indicating that the community thinks this is too high.
[9:55] Sonja Strom: I suggest we reduce this amount from here to 10%,
[9:56] Rose Springvale: isn't that a law?
[9:56] Sonja Strom: Rose, isn't what a law?
[9:56] Rose Springvale: i thought we had a law on the reserves. let's research that.
[9:57] Rose Springvale: we can look into that later. can you wrap up?
[9:57] Sonja Strom: Alright, we will respect that if there is one.
[9:58] Sonja Strom: The only law I know of about it is that the Constitution requires that our Reserve be equal to two months of tier or higher.
[9:58] Tor Karlsvalt: FYI
[9:58] Tor Karlsvalt: NL 4-6 Financial Reserves Act
The city shall move 1 month's tier in USD to a separate line item (reserve account), and make those funds unavailable for other use.
Funds in the account shall be disbursed at the discretion of the RA to pay recurring expenses in the event of a sudden and unexpected drop in $USD income.
The city shall augment this account as funds are available until it contains enough funds to pay all recurring city expenses for a period of two months absent other income.
[9:58] Sonja Strom: And we have met that requirement.
[9:58] Rose Springvale: okay, go on please
[9:58] Sonja Strom: Yes, maybe we can talk more about this later.
[9:59] Rose Springvale: excuse me a moment sonja, we are out of alloted time. RA, do you want to extend time?
[9:59] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn moves to extend time
[9:59] Rose Springvale: if so i need a motion and the amount
[9:59] Patroklus Murakami: yes
[9:59] Rose Springvale: how long gwyn?
[9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 20 mins?

[Rose Springvale]

[9:59] Pip Torok: i agree to extend time
[9:59] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[9:59] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[9:59] Pip Torok: aye
[9:59] Tor Karlsvalt: second
[9:59] Rose Springvale: how long do you need to wrap up sonja?
[9:59] Arria Perreault: aye
[9:59] Rose Springvale: no vote called yet
[10:00] Solomon Mosely: to what end? is there more to report on?
[10:00] Sonja Strom: I coud have wrapped up already
[10:00] Rose Springvale: so you want 5 minute and then questions?
[10:00] Sonja Strom: I think it depends on the number and type of questions.
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[10:00] Rose Springvale: okay, we have a motion to extend time by 20 minutes
[10:00] Rose Springvale: seconded?
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol: second
[10:00] Pip Torok: second
[10:00] Rose Springvale: all in favor?
[10:00] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[10:00] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[10:00] Pip Torok: aye
[10:00] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:00] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:01] Solomon Mosely: aye
[10:01] Rose Springvale: kas gwyn, arria
[10:01] Kaseido Quandry: nay
[10:01] Arria Perreault: aye
[10:02] Rose Springvale: think gwyn is away, motion carries, Please wrap up the report in the next 5 minutes Sonja, then we'll take 15 for questions
[10:02] Sonja Strom: Thank you Rose.
[10:02] Sonja Strom: If we put 10% of our income into the Reserve, this brings our monthly expenditures to a total possible of US$209.
[10:02] Sonja Strom: Using an approximation of L$ value of 277 per US$, this totals L$57,893.
[10:03] Sonja Strom: Once again, this is per month.
[10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, sorry
[10:03] Sonja Strom: Our expenses include
[10:04] Sonja Strom: stipends to reimburse positions (jobs) in the CDS.
[10:04] Sonja Strom: Currently these are:
[10:04] Sonja Strom: 1 treasurer = L$1,000; 1 PIO = L$1,000; 1 Caretaker = L$1,000, 1 Content Archivist = L$1,000.
[10:05] Sonja Strom: I do have a question here: is there an Archivist for the RA?
[10:05] Rose Springvale: no
[10:05] Sonja Strom: The Archivist we are giving a stipend to is the SC Archivist.
[10:05] Sonja Strom: Thanks.
[10:05] Rose Springvale: you mean the content archivist i think
[10:06] Sonja Strom: Yes, the SC Content Archivist, Aliasi Stonebender.
[10:06] Rose Springvale: where our intellectual property is held
[10:06] Rose Springvale: i think its a separate position, not related to SC, she's also on SC though
[10:06] Sonja Strom: ah, ok.
[10:06] Sonja Strom: This totals L$4,000.
[10:07] Sonja Strom: We have a monthly web hosting fee for the CDS website,
[10:07] Sonja Strom: or web portal, that is L$ 2,820
[10:07] Sonja Strom: We have an overall CDS events budget,
[10:08] Sonja Strom: carried over from the previous Chancellor (meaning, I have made no changes here),
[10:09] Sonja Strom: of L$12,000
[10:09] Solomon Mosely: um, you were the previous chancellor
[10:09] Kaseido Quandry: Stui!!
[10:09] Sonja Strom: Solomon, the Chancellor previous to me was Jamie Palisades.
[10:09] Lilith Ivory: Hi Stui
[10:09] Solomon Mosely: gotcha
[10:09] Rose Springvale: please finish sonja, we need to move on
[10:09] StuiChicanne Darkstone: je suis arrive
[10:10] Sonja Strom: We have a monthly recreation budget of L$1666.
[10:10] Cindy Ecksol: vraiment????
[10:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: mais Stui en Paris
[10:10] Rose Springvale: hi stui
[10:10] Sonja Strom: These are all continuations of normal CDS activities.
[10:10] Pip Torok: pas d'blague? ....
[10:11] Sonja Strom: When we add all of these figures up,
[10:11] Arria Perreault: bon séjour à Paris, Stui
[10:11] Sonja Strom: the remaining amount is L$37,407.
[10:12] Sonja Strom: My suggestion is that we split this amount three ways and distribute it to the Regional Event Committees, for them to spend however they choose.
[10:12] Kaseido Quandry: wonderful idea, Sonja
[10:12] Rose Springvale: thank you sonja. Ready for questions?
[10:12] Cindy Ecksol would like to see all of this in a spreadsheet.
[10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: I agree Cindy
[10:13] Sonja Strom: This amount of disbursement then, will be L$12,469 for each Regional Committee per month.
[10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: or a notecard
[10:13] Sonja Strom: Alright Cindy, I will work on putting that together.
[10:13] Rose Springvale: What happens if the commissions don't spend it?
[10:13] Kaseido Quandry: yes, this report would have been good to have been presented in writing and available on the forum
[10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I can answer what the consensus of the commission was to that
[10:14] Rose Springvale: are you finished Sonja? if so, we can take questions
[10:14] Sonja Strom: Point taken Kaseido - next time I can do it that way.
[10:14] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[10:14] Rose Springvale: lets do this in order
[10:14] Rose Springvale: thanks, Cindy?
[10:14] Cindy Ecksol: sonja, you ade a statement at the beginning that our "finances are slowly improving" and that we were "in the red" in the past
[10:14] Sonja Strom: I am finished with the important parts of what I wanted to say in my report, thanks.
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: I took the time to look at the treasurers reports for the last four terms
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: and I see no evidence of an excess of expenses over revenue...which is how we generally define "in the red"
[10:15] Cindy Ecksol: on what basis do you state that we were "in the red" and are now "improving"?
[10:16] Sonja Strom: If you would like I can try to find those reports for you now,
[10:16] Cindy Ecksol: yes, please.
[10:16] Sonja Strom: or I can find them and get back to you later.
[10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: There was a dip in January that was recovered by March
[10:16] Sonja Strom: Alright.
[10:17] Rose Springvale: thanks sonja
[10:17] Rose Springvale: other questions?
[10:17] Cindy Ecksol: "a dip in January" is not "in the red"
[10:17] Trebor Warcliffe: I have a suggestion in regards to the reserves and it's percentages. You have a mandatory 2 months you want in reserve at all times. Than you have a suggested 3 months in reserves so you have money to expand with or hold special events. If the reserve is at the 3 month level than only 10% needs to be put in reserves. If it dips below the 2 month mark the next months tier is increased to the 25%.
[10:17] Rose Springvale: trebor, you are kind of out of order... but thanks for your input
[10:17] Rose Springvale: lets let the RA finish then we'll open to citizens
[10:17] Trebor Warcliffe: Sorry I had typed it earlier and was waiting to hit enter
[10:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Black is so slimming
[10:18] Rose Springvale: do other RA members have questions?
[10:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and goes with everything
[10:18] Tor Karlsvalt: The operating funds and reserves are too often confused.
[10:18] Solomon Mosely raises hand
[10:18] Rose Springvale: go on solomon
[10:18] Arria Perreault: can we reserve some money for expansion projects?
[10:18] Solomon Mosely: when you mentioned us being in the red,
[10:19] Solomon Mosely: what happened, according to your reports, that brought us out?
[10:19] Arria Perreault: (sorry: you answer after Sol)
[10:19] Solomon Mosely: i wonder if that "red" time was the projection of the AA 6-month tiers, and then they got paid up
[10:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Getting rid of Gordon Brown got us outta the Red
[10:20] Rose Springvale: actually we are out of time again. we need to either extend or perhaps have sonja come back next week with more specifics? I don't want to leave Kas hanging
[10:20] Pip Torok: (and into the Fire but thats UK-beeswax, Stui!
[10:20] Sonja Strom: Solomon, the main thing that happened to improve the finances is that a fair amount of land that was owned by the government was sold to individuals.
[10:20] Solomon Mosely: i'm fine with thatk, thanks sonja
[10:21] Rose Springvale: RA? motion to extend or shall we move the questions to the forum?
[10:21] Solomon Mosely: questions to forum
[10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn is fine to continue, so I'd move to continue...
[10:21] Cindy Ecksol nods
[10:21] Patroklus Murakami: forums pls thx sonja
[10:21] Rose Springvale: smiels, need a motion
[10:21] Pip Torok: agree with Sol
[10:22] Cindy Ecksol: motion to move discussion to the forums
[10:22] Rose Springvale: thank you cindy. second?
[10:22] Solomon Mosely: second
[10:22] Pip Torok: second
[10:22] Arria Perreault: i can read the answer in the forum
[10:22] Rose Springvale: all in favor?
[10:22] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[10:22] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[10:22] Pip Torok: aye
[10:22] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[10:22] StuiChicanne Darkstone: oui
[10:22] Arria Perreault: aye
[10:22] Lilith Ivory: aye
[10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok
[10:23] Rose Springvale: smiles
[10:23] Rose Springvale: more votes can register, but motion carries
[10:23] Rose Springvale: thank you Sonja
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I have to go, see you later
[10:23] Rose Springvale: thanks for coming stui
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Pie needs the computer
[10:23] Tor Karlsvalt: bye stui
[10:23] Arria Perreault: à bientôt
[10:23] Pip Torok: bye stui
[10:23] Lilith Ivory: bye Stui
[10:23] Cindy Ecksol: bye stui!
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: (Pie's fault)
[10:23] Rose Springvale: i know there are a lot of questions still for sonja, so perhaps she can open a thread for us with a summary of her report
[10:24] Kaseido Quandry: bye Stui
[10:24] Rose Springvale: commission reports... lets keep these brief
[10:24] Rose Springvale: Elections...Gwyn?
[10:25] Tor Karlsvalt: not sure if she is here. Don't see her tag.
[10:25] Rose Springvale: she's back and forth i think.... Lilith would you like to go ahead with commerce? we'll work Elections in when she's back
[10:25] Lilith Ivory: sure
[10:25] Lilith Ivory: the Commerce Commission has not hold a meeting yet...
[10:26] Lilith Ivory: but the first one is scheduled for Sat 7/17 8 am
[10:26] Rose Springvale: smiles. thank you. done?
[10:26] Kaseido Quandry shudders
[10:26] Lilith Ivory: ok
[10:26] Rose Springvale: Citizenship? Arria?
[10:27] Arria Perreault: I will publish a first date for a public meeting next week
[10:27] Rose Springvale: great, thank you.
[10:27] Rose Springvale: Finance ...Tor?
[10:27] Arria Perreault: I am also busy to get some datas
[10:27] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Thanks for the opportunity to chair this commission.
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: In the past month, the finance commission met three times at different times and days of the week.
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: I hope this has provided times convenient to most interested citizens.
[10:28] Arria Perreault: I am happy if poeple help me to get them
[10:28] Rose Springvale: we will Arria thanks
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: Transcripts for these meetings are found at:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: July 3, 2010 8AN SLT
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2976
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: June 30, 2010 7 PM SLT
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2974
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: June 30, 12 PM (noon) SLT
[10:28] Solomon Mosely: is this a "tor bot"?
[10:28] Tor Karlsvalt: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2973
[10:29] Solomon Mosely:
[10:29] Rose Springvale: smiles
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: this is making it easy
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:29] Kaseido Quandry: nicely done!
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I will have a formal report at next RA meeting. Until then, I would appreciate that any comments be made on the forum.
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: I will open a general discussion thread in case anyone wishes to make comments on the Finance Commission meetings.
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Tentative times for future meetings are:
[10:29] Pip Torok is all for making it easy ...
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Monday, July 19th at 7:00 PM SLT
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Sunday, July 25th at 8:00 AM SLT
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: Monday, July 26 at 8:00 AM SLT
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: let me know if there can be better times
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: This group of meetings will try to limit the focus on proposed tier revamps.
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: I just got permissions to add to the calendar, so I will make use of this calendar as well as in-world notices.
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you for all the support shown for the work of this commission.
[10:30] Tor Karlsvalt:
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: btw, I remcommend that eveyone use and automated system for reports.
[10:31] Solomon Mosely: should i press "1" to leave a question?
[10:31] Rose Springvale: Thank you Tor, for your work. Remember that the chair goes to all the meetings, though the rest of us have the opportunity to pick and choose. I appreciate the work you all do
[10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: saves on typing time
[10:31] Rose Springvale: Sol, lets take it to forums or the meetings, or save for next RA meeting
[10:31] Rose Springvale:
[10:31] Solomon Mosely: heh, sure
[10:31] Rose Springvale: please
[10:31] Rose Springvale: gwyn is still away, so we'll go on to communications. Kas?
[10:31] Kaseido Quandry: sure, thanks Rose
[10:32] Kaseido Quandry: The Communications Commission report has been up on the forums for two weeks:
[10:32] Kaseido Quandry: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2969
[10:32] Kaseido Quandry: I'll summarize quickly
[10:32] Kaseido Quandry: This was an *excellent* process, and very educational
[10:32] Kaseido Quandry: I encurage the other committee chairs to move ahead - it's very interesting, and doesn't take a horrible amount of time
[10:33] Kaseido Quandry: Contrary to my original proposal, citizen discussion focused almost entirely on inworld comms
[10:33] Kaseido Quandry: the proposed legislation reflects the concerns expressed by citizens at the meetings - both CDS political figures and just interested people
[10:33] Kaseido Quandry: the high points are -
[10:34] Kaseido Quandry: open posting access to the inworld citizens group to *everyone* and encourage use (subject to standard content concerns) as a means of building community
[10:35] Kaseido Quandry: ensure that the Excecutive communications team has roles and responsibilities set *in writing* each term
[10:35] Kaseido Quandry: and that all communications *other than* governmental functions be left to self-organization in the community
[10:35] Kaseido Quandry: that's the summary, and I'd be happy to take questions
[10:36] Patroklus Murakami: i have a question
[10:36] Rose Springvale: Thanks Kas. For anyone who hasn't done so, you can get a copy of the proposed legislation in the box
[10:36] Rose Springvale: Pat go ahead
[10:36] Arria Perreault: i have one too
[10:36] Patroklus Murakami: how many official channels does this leave us with? there seemed to be a proliferation of them. does this rationalise them at all?
[10:37] Kaseido Quandry: By my count, we have the portal, Twitter, Facebook and a variety of inworld tools for governmental use primarily/exclusively
[10:37] Pip Torok: kas ... why shd roles & responsibilities for Exec comms be set _each_ term?
[10:37] Rose Springvale: wait pip, Arria is next after pat
[10:37] Pip Torok: ok
[10:38] Rose Springvale: i think there was a second part to pat's question kas
[10:38] Rose Springvale: rationalizing?
[10:38] Kaseido Quandry scrolls back
[10:38] Patroklus Murakami: thx kas. is there any intention to rationalise these so we can tell ppl where to look for info?
[10:38] Kaseido Quandry: Yes, absolutely -
[10:39] Patroklus Murakami: it would be good to be able to say 'use the calendar, its always up to date' rather than 'look at three or four channels' one of them might be right!
[10:39] Kaseido Quandry: The previous team has done a good job of establsihing the portal as a clearinghouse -
[10:39] Rose Springvale: maybe you can explain what you mean by rationalizing, i think we have some confusion
[10:39] Rose Springvale: (non english speakers particularly)
[10:39] Patroklus Murakami: i mean limiting it to a number of channels we always use
[10:39] Kaseido Quandry: and one primary intent of this proposal is to establish inworld equivalents - one-stop info shopping, bascailly
[10:39] Patroklus Murakami: so that ppl always know where to look
[10:39] Kaseido Quandry: I think I've answered taht
[10:39] Rose Springvale: good, thanks. Arria?
[10:39] Patroklus Murakami: and the burden of updating them with info is minimised
[10:40] Patroklus Murakami: ty kas
[10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: I have a question.
[10:40] Kaseido Quandry: Agreed, Pat, that's a challenge and workload to be minimized
[10:40] Rose Springvale: (after pip tor)
[10:40] Kaseido Quandry: I think Arria's next?
[10:40] Rose Springvale: arria is typing on that touch screen, lets give her a sec
[10:41] Kaseido Quandry: ahh, k
[10:41] Arria Perreault: i think the current proposal focuses too much on in-world communication. I do understand this need. I would like we mention the duties of the executive team on public informations, on the portal
[10:42] Rose Springvale: do you have a proposal Arria?
[10:42] Arria Perreault: i have written my remark on the forum
[10:42] Kaseido Quandry: if you have proposed language for an amendment, I'd welcome it
[10:42] Rose Springvale: maybe more work for the commission on that issue?
[10:43] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[10:43] Rose Springvale: (hehe, you thought you were finished kas lol)
[10:43] Kaseido Quandry: I don't think this proposal *excludes* anything, and wasn't meant as a laundry list of tools, but of process
[10:43] Rose Springvale: recognizes cindy after tor
[10:43] Arria Perreault: The contains contains all necessary public informations about laws, processes, positions, finances. the Executive team is responsible for that
[10:44] Kaseido Quandry: I don't think anyone questions that at all
[10:44] Rose Springvale: Thanks Arria. We can make sure that sonja and anna have that information
[10:44] Rose Springvale: Pip?
[10:44] Arria Perreault: a next team could forget this duty
[10:44] Pip Torok: moment please
[10:44] Kaseido Quandry: Pip, you'd asked, "why each term" - that's a good question
[10:45] Pip Torok: yes ....
[10:45] Kaseido Quandry: ok - different people have different strengths and interests -
[10:45] Kaseido Quandry: and, to meet Arria's concern - it's a way of ensuring some specific named person is responsible for each function each term
[10:45] You decline Caledon RFL Auction - Tanglewood Forest from A group member named Fogwoman Gray.
[10:45] Kaseido Quandry: so there's no question of who's supposed to do what, or who to contact for expertise about any particular function
[10:46] Pip Torok: but youd consider slower freq if nec?
[10:46] Kaseido Quandry: well, each Chancellor selects their own team -
[10:46] Kaseido Quandry: I'd think at that time, they'd parcel out responsibility
[10:46] Kaseido Quandry: if the team doesn't change, then it can just carry over, of course
[10:47] Rose Springvale: thanks Pip, Tor, i think you are next
[10:47] Pip Torok: good, tks
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: I think section F addressed my concern
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: it was
[10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: if regional commissions could get their own subscribomatics
[10:47] Kaseido Quandry: If I could just add to my answer to Pip -
[10:48] Kaseido Quandry: information/marketing/PR is a *lot* of work, and it's easy to overload and burn out
[10:48] Pip Torok:
[10:48] Kaseido Quandry: one ideal outcome of this act is to spread the work around - *without* losing accountability
[10:49] Rose Springvale: smile. finished Tor?
[10:49] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[10:50] Rose Springvale: or kas do you want to reply to the subscribo matic one?
[10:50] Kaseido Quandry: I think it's a great suggestion, absolutely
[10:50] Rose Springvale: thanks, cindy is next if i remember right
[10:50] Cindy Ecksol: Kas, I'm a bit concerned abou tthe detailed prescriptive nature of c. and d. in your proposal. I like the idea of accountability, but specifying exactly what mus tbe done seems a bit too controlling.

[Rose Springvale]

[10:51] Kaseido Quandry: how so, Cindy?
[10:51] Cindy Ecksol: I'd be more comfotable if we left a lot of room for creativity on the part of the PIO.
[10:51] Cindy Ecksol: and the PIO staff
[10:51] Cindy Ecksol: for instance, I could see that at some point in time kiosks aren't really the thing to serve our purposes
[10:52] Cindy Ecksol: but with it written into law, someone would have to spend a lot of time maintaining them anyway
[10:52] Pip Torok: but wdnt a large part of the input come from the PIO, Cindy?
[10:52] Kaseido Quandry: Cindy, in general I'm inclined to agree with you, but not here -
[10:52] Cindy Ecksol: Yes, input SHOULD come from the PIO...and the Chancellor (when runing for office) should shape that vision
[10:52] Kaseido Quandry: this was an area that citizens were adamant about
[10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[10:52] Rose Springvale: i think the citizens were pretty .. yes
[10:52] Rose Springvale: lol
[10:52] Cindy Ecksol: AND....the RA, in selecting the Chancellor, ought to be pushing for the things they want
[10:52] Kaseido Quandry: and if some time in the future that changes drastically, well, that's what the RA is for
[10:53] Rose Springvale: thanks. Other questions?
[10:53] Cindy Ecksol: I'm notsaying that kiosks should or should not be there -- I happen to think they're a good thing
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: can i say something
[10:53] Cindy Ecksol: I would just not like to see laws that are so incredibly prescriptive.
[10:53] Rose Springvale: well, lets finish questions and then we will discuss Tor
[10:53] Cindy Ecksol: let's let people DO their jobs....not tell the what to do.
[10:53] Rose Springvale: any citizens have questions?
[10:53] Cindy Ecksol: or how to do it.
[10:54] Rose Springvale: or other RA members?
[10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand
[10:54] Cindy Ecksol: this proposal seems like micromanagement in those two planks
[10:54] Rose Springvale: trebor?
[10:54] Rose Springvale: hold those thoughts cindy
[10:54] Cindy Ecksol: done, thanks.
[10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: I love the street signs in NFS and find them very helpful.
[10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Are these availoable to be made and placed in the other SIMS?
[10:55] Sonja Strom raises hand
[10:55] Guillaume Mistwalker raises hand
[10:55] Pip Torok: (wd back Trebor in this)
[10:55] Rose Springvale: street signs are the chancellors area, so sonja did you want to address that?
[10:55] Solomon Mosely: oh, that happened? that's great
[10:56] Sonja Strom: The street signs in Neufreistadt were made by someone who is no longer in the CDS.
[10:56] Trebor Warcliffe: Do we have the capability to make more?
[10:56] Sonja Strom: We can make new ones, or maybe find some that we would like that we could purchase,
[10:56] Rose Springvale: sonja did you have a question also?
[10:57] Sonja Strom: but we do not have any capability to have more of those particular signs - at least,
[10:57] Sonja Strom: not so long as that person is gone.
[10:57] Trebor Warcliffe: I'm not very good at making things yet but I will explore the possibility of purchasing similar ones in world
[10:57] Sonja Strom: I hope that answers the question.
[10:57] Rose Springvale: we have lots of great builders, maybe ask the guild to do it
[10:57] Sonja Strom: Also, one place we could bring up the issue of signage is the Guild, yes.
[10:57] Sonja Strom agrees with Rose.
[10:58] Rose Springvale: Sonja, were you raising your hand with a question or just to answer Trebor?
[10:58] Sonja Strom: Thank you Rose, it was only to provide the information I have in answer to the question.
[10:58] Rose Springvale: thanks.
[10:58] Rose Springvale: Guillame?
[10:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you, according to our website, we have no public information officer.
[10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: now we do
[10:59] Rose Springvale: ah, announced today, Anna Toussaint
[10:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Ah, very well.
[10:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: Thank you
[10:59] Rose Springvale: if you'd like to help, i'm sure they would love more volunteers
[10:59] Rose Springvale: other questions?
[10:59] Guillaume Mistwalker: That answers my question
[11:00] Rose Springvale: good
[11:00] Patroklus Murakami: i must get going. bye folks
[11:00] Pip Torok: Is Guillai#u,e reg to read the Forum?
[11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm afraid I have to go as well... sorry it's been a complicated day!
[11:00] Pip Torok: bye Pat
[11:00] Rose Springvale: thanks for coming pat
[11:00] Rose Springvale: we will roll your report to next week gwyn
[11:00] Rose Springvale: smiles
[11:00] Pip Torok: shame ... see you Gwyn
[11:01] Rose Springvale: are there other questions or shall we move to motion and discussion on the vote?
[11:01] Trebor Warcliffe: If anyone is aware of ownership changes that happen privately please notify me so I can update the owner/citizen list.
[11:01] The Tunaverse: Some Pig! at the Odd Ball 11am Sunday
[11:02] Rose Springvale: Trebor you need to work with Sonja and sudane on that.
[11:02] The Tunaverse owned by Tuna Oddfellow gave you 'Some pig! at the Odd Ball, 11am-1pm Sunday' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Research%20 ... 28/128/655 ).
[11:02] Arria Perreault: you should get a
[11:02] Rose Springvale: kas do you want to put the proposal on the table?
[11:02] Arria Perreault: trebor, you should get an IM from the tool of Timo
[11:02] Kaseido Quandry: Sure - move to approve the Public Information Act as written
[11:03] Cindy Ecksol notes that we are overtime
[11:03] Arria Perreault: it would make your work easier
[11:03] Rose Springvale: (needs to be part of the exec staff for that Arria)
[11:03] Pip Torok: second
[11:03] Rose Springvale: thanks Cindy, we extended remember
[11:03] Rose Springvale: thanks pip
[11:03] Cindy Ecksol: oh, sorry!
[11:03] Arria Perreault: (i know)
[11:03] Rose Springvale: discussion on the motion?
[11:03] Cindy Ecksol: missed that
[11:03] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[11:03] Rose Springvale: cindy
[11:04] Cindy Ecksol: As I stated earlier, I'm not comfortable voting for htis in its current form.
[11:04] Cindy Ecksol: items c and d are much too specific
[11:04] Rose Springvale: do you have revised language to suggest?
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: I just would like to say that much of the info in our kiosks, esp at Anzere, has been out of date. I think the law should old the exec accontable. I also commend anna at already movig on this without the current law.
[11:04] Cindy Ecksol: yes, I'd propose to drop them out altogether
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry
[11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: that slipped
[11:04] Rose Springvale: ah, how do you feel about that kas?
[11:04] Kaseido Quandry: No.
[11:04] Rose Springvale: okay, thanks
[11:04] Rose Springvale: other discussion?
[11:05] Cindy Ecksol: can I move to amend and see if I' the only one?
[11:05] Cindy Ecksol: or are we just discussing?
[11:05] Rose Springvale: (and yes, Tor, anna has done great.) we are discussion the motion as presented, friendly denied, so we need to deal with this one i think
[11:06] Cindy Ecksol: if you need a motion, I move to amend Kas' proposal to eliminate items c and d
[11:06] Rose Springvale: other comments or discussion?
[11:06] Rose Springvale: okay, cindy has moved to remove parts of the committee recommendation, kas does not agree. is there a second on this motion to amend?
[11:07] Rose Springvale: this all came from committee so i'm hestitant to change it
[11:07] Cindy Ecksol: it's our job to do so if it makes sense
[11:07] Solomon Mosely: should we give it one more meeting and week in the forum?
[11:07] Rose Springvale: see no second to the amendment, so lets continue on the discussion
[11:07] Kaseido Quandry: This has been up for discussion for two weeks on the forum
[11:07] Cindy Ecksol ods
[11:08] Cindy Ecksol nods
[11:08] Rose Springvale: i don't know that there is much more to say sol, and yes, it's been up for two weeks
[11:08] Solomon Mosely: sure, i just mean to give cindy time
[11:08] Rose Springvale: any citizen discussion?
[11:08] Tor Karlsvalt: I have no problem with it as written. Even like it.
[11:08] Rose Springvale: i like it too
[11:09] Cindy Ecksol: just feelit ties hands of volunteers too much
[11:09] Cindy Ecksol: we have a bad habit of doing that
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: Well really stuff dosn't change that much.
[11:09] Rose Springvale: seeing no other hands, lets vote on the motion. All in favor of adopting the Public Information Act as presented by the commission, please say aye
[11:09] Cindy Ecksol smiles
[11:09] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:09] Pip Torok: aye
[11:09] Lilith Ivory: aye
[11:09] Cindy Ecksol: it SHOULD change
[11:09] Cindy Ecksol: nay
[11:10] Yekaterina Kalchek /me
[11:10] Rose Springvale: sol and arria?
[11:10] Yekaterina Kalchek: sorry please ignore than last line
[11:10] Rose Springvale: smile at katya
[11:11] Solomon Mosely: aye
[11:11] Yekaterina Kalchek: last line from me; not Rose!!
[11:12] Rose Springvale: arria can enter her vote with the 7 day when she gets back. Chair votes Aye.
[11:12] Rose Springvale: we'll see what happens on the forums and announce the results there and next week
[11:12] Rose Springvale: Thank you kas for your hard work on this, and i know you'll be open to more meetings as needed.
[11:13] Kaseido Quandry: oh, absolutely
[11:13] Kaseido Quandry: and thanks to everyone who participated - we did some real democracy!
[11:13] Rose Springvale: and thank you to all the citizens and RA members who participated, it was a great commission
[11:13] Rose Springvale: Concerns of RA members?
[11:13] Rose Springvale: smile Announcements? (has the game started yet?)
[11:13] Cindy Ecksol: now that we all have calendar privileges, I hope everyone will post comission meetings
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: yes! that is great
[11:14] Kaseido Quandry: that rocks - big thanks to Anna for that
[11:14] Cindy Ecksol: well in advance, eh?
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: yes anna acted very quickly
[11:14] Rose Springvale: she's got energy, let's help her so she doesn't burn out
[11:14] Pip Torok agrees
[11:14] Kaseido Quandry: hear hear
[11:14] Cindy Ecksol:
[11:14] Rose Springvale: any other announcements?
[11:14] Lilith Ivory: uhm I still try to figure out where to find my google ID
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: i have already offered any help i can provide.
[11:15] Lilith Ivory: is anybody able to help me with that?
[11:15] Rose Springvale: great, thanks Tor
[11:15] Cindy Ecksol: Lil, you don't need a google id to view the calendar -- it's open to anyone
[11:15] Tor Karlsvalt: oh i have something
[11:15] Rose Springvale: Lilith, i'll help you
[11:15] Rose Springvale: she has to have one to post
[11:15] Rose Springvale: yes Tor?
[11:15] Lilith Ivory: yea but I might need it to post soething
[11:15] Tor Karlsvalt: In a conversation with a citizen
[11:15] Cindy Ecksol: and you can register with any e-mail address to post
[11:15] Lilith Ivory: ah ok thank you
[11:15] Tor Karlsvalt: we began to think that NFS and AM could use an update
[11:15] Rose Springvale: update?
[11:15] Tor Karlsvalt: of ground texture and trees
[11:16] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, as time goes on I think we look a little shabby next to some sims.
[11:16] Rose Springvale: yes, i think people have been talking about that for a while. Should it go to the guild?
[11:16] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[11:16] Tor Karlsvalt: just wanted to voice that here
[11:16] Pip Torok: the right place imo ...
[11:16] Rose Springvale: lets send a note to moon and see if we can get that on their agenda
[11:17] Rose Springvale: Anything else?
[11:17] Tor Karlsvalt: ooh also
[11:17] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:17] Rose Springvale: yes tor???
[11:17] Arria Perreault: aye to the Public Information Act
[11:17] Rose Springvale: thank you arria! motion carries
[11:17] Kaseido Quandry cheers
[11:17] Tor Karlsvalt: it would be nice if we could have the NG consider planning a new sim asap
[11:17] Kaseido Quandry: thanks Arria!
[11:17] Tor Karlsvalt: woot
[11:17] Rose Springvale: we will get to that i think next month Tor, needs to be a directive from RA
[11:18] Pip Torok: supports Tor on this
[11:18] Kaseido Quandry: see, we actually did something, and it hardly hurt at all, lol
[11:18] Tor Karlsvalt: sure I understand
[11:18] Trebor Warcliffe: Personally I think we need to get the current SIMS in order so to speak before we expand.
[11:18] Trebor Warcliffe: Just my thoughts.
[11:18] Rose Springvale: kas, will you work with sonja and anna to help implement the law?
[11:18] Kaseido Quandry: absolutely
[11:18] Pip Torok: can do both at the same time, I suggest, trebor ...
[11:18] Rose Springvale: thanks trebor, exactly the discussions we need to have in RA before we send a directive
[11:19] Rose Springvale: so we'll put it on the agenda as soon as we have a spot
[11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes if we have enough participants I feel that could be accomplished.
[11:19] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[11:19] Rose Springvale: if there are no other announcements, we could have a motion to adjourn...
[11:19] Arria Perreault: i have to go : WC final starts soon. We can talk about the question of Arias and citizen involvment in a next meeting
[11:19] Tor Karlsvalt: i motion w adjoun
[11:19] Rose Springvale: yes Arria!
[11:19] Pip Torok: second
[11:19] Rose Springvale: all in favor?
[11:19] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:19] Kaseido Quandry: aye
[11:19] Pip Torok: aye
[11:20] Cindy Ecksol: aye
[11:20] Lilith Ivory: aye
[11:20] Arria Perreault: aye
[11:20] Solomon Mosely: aye
[11:20] Rose Springvale: Thank you all .. great meeting!
[11:20] Tor Karlsvalt: woot!
[11:20] Rose Springvale: we are adjourned