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New Guild meeting minutes 1st october 2011

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New Guild meeting 10am 1st October 2011

Present

Ceasar Xigalia
Pip Torok
CLEOPATRA Xigalia
josjoha Resident
Rosie Gray
Sudane Erato
Tor Karlsvalt
Imitar Kaptane
Bells Semyorka
Mizou Vavoom

Agenda as discussed

Agreement of previous minutes
RA request to look at LA as a priority
Discussion of Alexia Carnell's proposal
Bells Semyorka appointed NG Administration Director
Other items carried forward to next meeting

Meeting recording

[10:00] Ceasar Xigalia: i will start the recording now
[10:00] josjoha Resident: Sudane is here in a few secs too, she is the currently 'involved' NG treasurer...
[10:01] Ceasar Xigalia: i would also like to say that if anyone wishes to speak please raise a hand
[10:01] josjoha Resident: I am thoroughly clueless about the NG finances, she knows everything about it, but she is here in a few seconds so we can sort things out maybe.
[10:01] Ceasar Xigalia: i will recognise peeple in order
[10:01] josjoha Resident: ok Ceasar
[10:02] Chat Range: Rosie Gray [5m]
[10:02] Ceasar Xigalia: we can get an update from Sudane yes
[10:02] josjoha Resident: hi Rosie :)
[10:02] Ceasar Xigalia: hi Rosie
[10:02] Rosie Gray: hello Ceasar
[10:02] Ceasar Xigalia: ok the first itme on the agenda
[10:02] Long Range: Sudane Erato [92m]
[10:02] Ceasar Xigalia: approval of the last minutes
[10:02] Close Range: Sudane Erato [37m]
[10:02] Chat Range: Sudane Erato [18m]
[10:02] Ceasar Xigalia: any items of accuracy
[10:02] Ceasar Xigalia: hi Sudane
[10:02] josjoha Resident: hi Sudane
[10:02] Sudane Erato: hi :)
[10:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: hi sudane
[10:03] Ceasar Xigalia: no items of accuracy?
[10:03] Ceasar Xigalia: ok
[10:03] josjoha Resident: fine by me
[10:03] Ceasar Xigalia: any matters arising
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: ok no matters arising
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: can i propose we accept the minutes of the last meeting?
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: do i have a second?
[10:04] josjoha Resident: sure, second
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: those in favour say aye
[10:04] Sudane Erato: aye
[10:04] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[10:04] josjoha Resident: aye
[10:04] Pip Torok: abstain
[10:04] Rosie Gray: can I hear the motion please?
[10:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[10:05] Ceasar Xigalia: acpetance of last weeks minutes rosie
[10:05] Rosie Gray: okay
[10:05] Rosie Gray: abstain
[10:05] Ceasar Xigalia: ok next item
[10:06] Ceasar Xigalia: the RA met last weekend and pssed a motion
[10:06] Ceasar Xigalia: i will copy into chat what the LRA passed to me
[10:08] Ceasar Xigalia: Apologies I crashed
[10:08] Sudane Erato: np
[10:08] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i was about to post the LRAs note to chat
[10:09] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi Caesar,

The RA has voted a motion on 25th september 2011 to direct the New Guild to set the rebuilding of Locus Amoenus as their first priority.
For more details about our discussion, you can read the transcript of the meeting:

http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3530

Kind regards

Arria Perreault, LRA
[10:09] Ceasar Xigalia: as you can see the RA has asked us to look at LA as our first priority
[10:10] Ceasar Xigalia: and as we take our guidance from the RA I would suggest we do that
[10:10] Ceasar Xigalia: Are you all happy to follow that guidance?
[10:10] Pip Torok: yes
[10:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i dont see we have a choice. of course we will.
[10:10] Sudane Erato: sure!
[10:11] Ceasar Xigalia: anyone against
[10:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: nope
[10:11] josjoha Resident: i think we are obligated to
[10:11] josjoha Resident: but it seems like a fine plan too
[10:11] Ceasar Xigalia: great thats settled then
[10:11] Ceasar Xigalia: :)
[10:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:11] Long Range: Gustavo141415162061 Resident [92m]
[10:11] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[10:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: how about immenient domain? it seems wehave to work around existing lots and builds, if we disturb anyone that would be bad and counter productive
[10:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we dont want to lose any citizens or upset them. there are some nice builds in LA done
[10:13] Ceasar Xigalia: thats a good point and one perhaps we should go back to the RA about
[10:13] Pip Torok: I thought trebs forum article had had that covbered
[10:13] Ceasar Xigalia: i.e. exactly how much of LA do they want us to work on
[10:13] Sudane Erato: why do we assume we have to move people or change parcelling?
[10:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: im saying we cannot do that sudane . imo
[10:14] Rosie Gray: Trebor's posting does not cover it, Pip
[10:14] Rosie Gray: he is assuming a lot
[10:14] Pip Torok: i know he didnt mention lef leven the new citizen
[10:14] josjoha Resident: can't we try to "be reasonable" near plots, and quickly react on a complaignt ?
[10:14] Rosie Gray: Mizou I know has no intention of moving her plots
[10:14] Pip Torok: good idea jos
[10:14] josjoha Resident: :)
[10:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: There are many nice builds, so it seems theempty lots and communal property is only what we can workon.
[10:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: there is one gray area
[10:15] Pip Torok: which is?
[10:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what about lots like dantons that are up for sale now.
[10:16] Pip Torok: I propose that we ask him what he proposes
[10:16] Sudane Erato: Danton';s are up for sale?
[10:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: well any lot that is for sale and someone has a house on it .
[10:16] Ceasar Xigalia: can i ask that people do raise a hand when they want to speak and say done when finished
[10:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oops okay sorry
[10:17] Pip Torok: sorry Ceasar
[10:17] Sudane Erato: the For Sale sign just means he hasn't paid tier on it
[10:17] Sudane Erato: sorry
[10:17] Pip Torok: ah!
[10:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:17] josjoha Resident: raises hand
[10:17] Ceasar Xigalia: so which of these do we want to propose to the RA
[10:17] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo after ceasar
[10:18] Ceasar Xigalia: jos after Cleo
[10:18] Ceasar Xigalia: that we work only on those lots owned by cds 1 or..
[10:18] Ceasar Xigalia: work on cds lots and those for sale 2
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: or the whole sim 3
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: or something else please discuss 4
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo
[10:19] Sudane Erato raiuse hand
[10:19] Ceasar Xigalia: sudane after jos
[10:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the lots for sale, id like to knwo h ow many .. and if anyone thinks whats appropriate to do with those lots in light of they are saying they dont want them, or like sudane said they didnt pay yet
[10:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[10:20] Ceasar Xigalia: jos
[10:20] josjoha Resident: NG meeting procedure: since we seem to like to babble-talk a little about topics, maybe once after someone has made statements the chair can ask for a bit of a discussion that flows free ? Sometimes raising hands for remarks back & forth can be cumbersome ? The chair could then rule that out of hand ? done.
[10:20] Ceasar Xigalia: noted
[10:20] Chat Range: Tor Karlsvalt [8m]
[10:20] Ceasar Xigalia: Sudane
[10:21] Ceasar Xigalia: welcome tor
[10:21] josjoha Resident: hey Tor
[10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: sorr Jos
[10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi all
[10:21] Pip Torok: hi Tor
[10:21] josjoha Resident: ty for scratching
[10:21] Sudane Erato: you raise the issue of "work on"... but shouldn't we also at the same time decide..
[10:21] Sudane Erato: wjhat it means that we work on?
[10:21] Sudane Erato: are these to be permanent builds?
[10:22] Ceasar Xigalia: Ceasar after sudane
[10:22] Sudane Erato: or are these the catalog of choices that Alexia mentioned?
[10:22] Sudane Erato: or other options
[10:22] Sudane Erato: done
[10:22] Ceasar Xigalia: ceasar
[10:23] Ceasar Xigalia: i just thought that we should be very clear what areas we are dealing with in LA and confirm that with the RA first hence thmy question about which areas
[10:23] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:23] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[10:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: the two contests that alexia wanted to have
[10:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: one is the whole sim,
[10:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: one is villas
[10:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so i think the whole sim statement brings up the concern
[10:24] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that might not be possible really. so to clarify the contest we have to knwo whats up for changing . done
[10:24] Ceasar Xigalia: are there any other questions or thoughts on the scopr of the NGs responsibility in LA?
[10:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:25] Pip Torok raises hand
[10:25] Ceasar Xigalia: pip
[10:25] Sudane Erato raise hand
[10:25] Ceasar Xigalia: sudane after pip
[10:26] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo after sudane
[10:26] Pip Torok: whats the possibility of sounding moon out for her opinion?
[10:26] Pip Torok: done
[10:26] Ceasar Xigalia: sudane
[10:26] Sudane Erato: well... Moon is not very well
[10:26] Sudane Erato: so I'm not sure she'd be happy to be involved just now
[10:26] Sudane Erato: my opinion on the question
[10:26] Rosie Gray nods
[10:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ifi may answer ? too
[10:27] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo after sudane
[10:27] Sudane Erato: is that the area we should attend to is the area which is now unoccupied
[10:27] Sudane Erato: done
[10:27] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[10:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i asked gwyen that about a week and a half ago, and sh e hasnt answered ..
[10:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but the two contests is what i was goign to say .
[10:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done.
[10:28] Sudane Erato: Gwyn and Moon had no access to internet until a few days ago
[10:28] Ceasar Xigalia: I think therefore it is up to us in the NG
[10:28] Long Range: Imitar Kaptane [81m]
[10:29] Ceasar Xigalia: ok can i ask for a vote
[10:29] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry forgive that
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: that we set our scope to 1, CDS property in lA...2. CDS plus sale property in LA or ...3 the LA sim
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: if someone will second the vote
[10:30] Pip Torok: what is the proposal were voting on?
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: please then vo=te with a number
[10:30] Pip Torok: tky
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: Jos will record
[10:30] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:30] josjoha Resident: oh ok
[10:30] Close Range: Imitar Kaptane [27m]
[10:31] Chat Range: Imitar Kaptane [18m]
[10:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second
[10:31] Ceasar Xigalia: ok please vote
[10:31] Ceasar Xigalia: 1
[10:31] Close Range: Imitar Kaptane [21m]
[10:31] Chat Range: Imitar Kaptane [18m]
[10:31] Sudane Erato: what does "sale property" mean?... sorry
[10:31] Pip Torok: 1
[10:31] Ceasar Xigalia: ok
[10:31] Ceasar Xigalia: property for sale but not owned by CDS
[10:31] Sudane Erato: ahh... ok
[10:31] Ceasar Xigalia: i vote 1
[10:31] Sudane Erato: not sure there is any
[10:31] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: me too , not clear what to do about that land. so 1
[10:32] josjoha Resident: prop 1 has 3 aye's
[10:32] Sudane Erato: i vote 1
[10:32] Rosie Gray: I vote 1
[10:32] josjoha Resident: prop 1 has 5 aye's
[10:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: want me to go look
[10:32] Ceasar Xigalia: ok 1 it is
[10:32] josjoha Resident: abstain (sorry i'm clueless, bit brainless today i guess)
[10:32] Ceasar Xigalia: i will send a note back to the LRA and RA indicated how we intend to view this
[10:33] josjoha Resident: hey Imitar
[10:33] josjoha Resident: take a chair
[10:33] Imitar Kaptane: Day-o, me say daaay-o~
[10:33] Ceasar Xigalia: ok can we move to the proposal from Alexia carnell
[10:33] Ceasar Xigalia: obviously from the point of view of just CDS property
[10:34] Ceasar Xigalia: has everyone read it?
[10:34] Pip Torok: can you put the proposal into chat please?
[10:34] Ceasar Xigalia: ok
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: i am sort of confused too
[10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Shouldn't we just address Alexia's proposal?
[10:34] Ceasar Xigalia: The RA stated that Locus Amoenus is the 1st PRIORITYin NG activities, so the NG agenda should be focused on this subject.

Hereunder follow my proposals for LA
=====================
1) a PLAN contest for the development of the sim.

The contest should define the sim general look and the activities we plan to enhance.
I remind, generally speaking, the need of low cost residential units, commercial development and leisure activities as a general goal, butwe are open to other proposals . And we don't need to rebuild LA from scratchwe need just to retouch it (more water namely)

Each participant should:
a) build up a general plan layout, using and modifying the attached scale model
b) attach a project description NC

NG has to define:
- criteria of participation (open to all builders,or just to Cds..i suggest the widest participation).
- how to promote the contest)
- a jury (criteria and names)
- if citizens have to vote too
- a prize for the winner (s) (is there an available budg
[10:34] Ceasar Xigalia: =======================
2) to follow, a 2nd contest for the definition of BUILDINGS

After the approval of the PLAN, NG will have to acquire either "catalogue" buildings or "rezzed settlements", + possibly a few landscaping.

The contest will be open only to skilled builders, they will have to demonstrate their landscaping and building skills.

NG will define this second step after the PLAN approval (goals, criteria, budgeting)

======================
alexia
[10:35] Ceasar Xigalia: Thoughts please
[10:35] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi Imatar
[10:35] Ceasar Xigalia: please join us
[10:36] Pip Torok: imo discussion first than (maybe) vote
[10:36] Close Range: Imitar Kaptane [21m]
[10:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second pips idea
[10:37] Ceasar Xigalia: any thoughts?
[10:37] Sudane Erato: raise hand
[10:37] Ceasar Xigalia: sudane
[10:37] Pip Torok: only the meta-thought ive just prosed! :)
[10:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: citizen only or non citizen builders.
[10:37] Sudane Erato: the main thing is that Alexia's plan would be a LOT of work... is there anyone interested in taking this on?
[10:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: idea wasnt plural :)
[10:38] Sudane Erato: done
[10:38] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[10:38] Ceasar Xigalia: Tor
[10:38] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[10:38] Chat Range: Bells Semyorka [7m]
[10:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia rasises hand
[10:38] Ceasar Xigalia: Hi bells
[10:38] josjoha Resident: hi Bells
[10:38] Tor Karlsvalt: first i think CDS has allowed non-citznen builders in the past.
[10:38] Pip Torok raises hand
[10:38] Ceasar Xigalia: Pip after tor
[10:38] Bells Semyorka: Hello Everyone
[10:39] Ceasar Xigalia: Cleo after pip
[10:39] Pip Torok: hi Bells
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: Also, I think alexia is suggesting more water. That would be a big remapping. But I think she is calling for contest for the best plan.
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: We don't ave to accept any of any of the plans totaly I assume.
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[10:39] Ceasar Xigalia: pip
[10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: hi Bells
[10:39] Ceasar Xigalia: ceasar after cleo
[10:40] Pip Torok: i'm in favour of expert builders AS LONG AS they are in symathy with LA's theme of villas and roman buildings ...
[10:40] Pip Torok: done
[10:40] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: clarify the citizen non citizen entry n the contest ? i think we have plenty of great builders to have a citizen only contest
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: satir
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lef
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sudane
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: alexia
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: mizou
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: bells
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: rosie
[10:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: onand on
[10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand.
[10:41] Ceasar Xigalia: tor after ceasar
[10:41] Long Range: Reba Python [93m]
[10:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done .. i also think obviously that nothing can happen if the RA doesnt approve it so a contest can only be our recommendation
[10:41] Bells Semyorka raises hand
[10:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[10:41] Ceasar Xigalia: bells after tor
[10:41] Ceasar Xigalia: ceasar
[10:41] Pip Torok raises hand
[10:42] Ceasar Xigalia: how can we consider Alexia's proposal as it calls for sim wide review? is there a way to do that.
[10:43] Ceasar Xigalia: I also agree with tor that we only have to accept a proposal we are in favour of and have a majority vote in Ng for
[10:43] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:43] Ceasar Xigalia: tor
[10:43] Tor Karlsvalt: I met Samantha Fuller in world two weeks ago. I think she was a good builder who was not a citizen. I could be wrong. And I note that Lef Lavene is now a citizen. Still not sure if we should limit ourselves. Surely cost of builds would be a criteria to consider.
[10:43] Rosie Gray raises hand
[10:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[10:43] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie after bells
[10:44] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo after rosie
[10:44] Pip Torok: hrumphhhh
[10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: I suspect, the idea of a contest is to get ppl to draw up ideas. Maybe that is a good idea. I think it was done in the past. done
[10:44] Pip Torok raises hand
[10:44] Ceasar Xigalia: pip after rosie
[10:45] Ceasar Xigalia: sorry pip after cleo
[10:45] Ceasar Xigalia: bells
[10:45] Bells Semyorka: I think opening the contest to other builders is a good way to promote our community. We should invite others in SL to join, we might gain more landholders that way.
[10:45] Pip Torok: rosie?
[10:45] Pip Torok: ok then ill go:
[10:45] Tor Karlsvalt: good point
[10:46] Rosie Gray: I was waiting for Bells to finish
[10:46] josjoha Resident nods
[10:46] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie
[10:46] Bells Semyorka: ddone, chat lag
[10:46] Rosie Gray: I think that first priority should be given to CDS citizen-builders
[10:46] Rosie Gray: and then if there is not enough interest, open it up to non-citizens
[10:46] Rosie Gray: done
[10:46] Pip Torok: point one .. why should we limit the buiilders to CDS citizens .. (2) since 2 RA members are here you have some feeling as to what the RA wd approve done
[10:46] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[10:47] Ceasar Xigalia: ceasar after cleo
[10:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i see both points with outside builders and inside only. i think we can do two categories of contest.. if we showcase our own builders that does bring credence to our sims... also i believe fully we have the best roman builders in sl in CDS anwy
[10:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but i agree totally with rosie
[10:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: cds citizen builders first
[10:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: or showcased or soemthing .
[10:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[10:48] Ceasar Xigalia: to answer Pips point
[10:48] Ceasar Xigalia: I think we can only discuss and advise the RA
[10:49] Tor Karlsvalt: wb Bells
[10:49] Ceasar Xigalia: the RA must decide itself even if some of its members attend here
[10:49] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[10:49] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[10:50] Ceasar Xigalia: tor
[10:50] Tor Karlsvalt: thansk
[10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I think Alexia has two parts. Builders are second. The first is merely to come up with a plan for LA. So we want a contest for a new plan? That is the first Question. Also, she suggestes that LA does not have to be completely revamped, mabye we shoudl decide what areas of LA need fixed and what the specs should be. Perhaps more water. Also if we will have smaller parcels or permanent housing.
[10:52] Ceasar Xigalia: tor
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[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: Also we should consider a freebee stor where ppl can get a quick covenant ready house.
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: oops lost Ceasar
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: oh he moved
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[10:53] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[10:53] Ceasar Xigalia: i thought i crashed
[10:53] Ceasar Xigalia: again
[10:54] Ceasar Xigalia: Tor where you here for our vote tkeep the scope to CDS owned parcels in LA?
[10:54] Ceasar Xigalia: were*
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, but I sort of think that pretty much rejects Alexia's proposal.
[10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: or suggestion.
[10:55] josjoha Resident: raises hand
[10:55] Ceasar Xigalia: i think it make it difficult without modification
[10:55] Ceasar Xigalia: Jos
[10:56] josjoha Resident: Off topic again: we've been meeting for an hour, maybe an idea to take a 5 minutes recess ? done
[10:56] josjoha Resident: < bit tired i guess
[10:56] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we have citizens parcels pepped throughout the sim. It would be hard to make any meaningful changes.
[10:56] Sudane Erato raise hand
[10:56] Ceasar Xigalia: sudane
[10:56] Tor Karlsvalt: yes and we were tyig to have a balloon event
[10:56] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[10:57] Long Range: ike Biedermann [91m]
[10:57] Sudane Erato: one of Alexia's concepts... and i think she presented 3
[10:57] Sudane Erato: was thet a catalog of builds be collected
[10:57] Sudane Erato: that would certainly be doable
[10:57] Sudane Erato: with the presnet configuration
[10:57] Sudane Erato: also
[10:57] Sudane Erato: I think her 3rd option
[10:57] Sudane Erato: was to explore more commercialization
[10:58] Sudane Erato: that would surely be doable
[10:58] Sudane Erato: while leaving the existing builds and owners
[10:58] Sudane Erato: after all.. she has build her company on a collection of parcels
[10:58] Sudane Erato: done
[10:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: riaises hand.
[10:59] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[10:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i move we go forward with sudanes first statement, arrias idea of a collection of builds..
[11:00] Ceasar Xigalia: Ceasar
[11:00] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[11:00] Ceasar Xigalia: so that would follow perhaps more of Alexia's second proposal
[11:00] Ceasar Xigalia: done
[11:00] Ceasar Xigalia: tor
[11:01] Tor Karlsvalt: sorry
[11:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[11:02] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: tor did you have something first ?
[11:02] Tor Karlsvalt: I like the catelog idea also. I was wondering, would these be CDS owned builds that woudl be free to citizens or merely a list of pre-approved builds to be purchased by the citizen?
[11:03] Pip Torok raises hand
[11:03] Rosie Gray raises hand
[11:03] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo then pip then open discussion
[11:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: pass
[11:03] Ceasar Xigalia: pip
[11:03] Pip Torok: i strongly wd favour preapproved builds because of its look n feel done
[11:04] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie
[11:04] Rosie Gray: thanks
[11:04] Rosie Gray: okay, I think there should be a selection of free, pre-approved builds... but not a lot
[11:04] Rosie Gray: just enough for people to get started
[11:05] Rosie Gray: and then pre-approved ones for sale as well
[11:05] Rosie Gray: done
[11:05] Sudane Erato: i agree
[11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: good point
[11:05] Ceasar Xigalia: open discussion
[11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I like that too
[11:05] Pip Torok: me too i agree
[11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so a catalouge with options
[11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: free, etc.
[11:05] Sudane Erato: some free ones... and then others for sale
[11:05] Sudane Erato: could be from a variety of sellers
[11:06] Rosie Gray: yes exactly
[11:06] Sudane Erato: and could easdily include non-citizens
[11:06] Rosie Gray: perhaps 1 free from each builder that wants to contribute
[11:06] Sudane Erato: so long as they were approved
[11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but we should designate if its a CDS builder or something
[11:06] Rosie Gray: yes I agree with CLEO
[11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and not be mandatory if someone wants to build their own
[11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: good idea rosie
[11:06] Sudane Erato: sure
[11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: right cleo.
[11:07] Rosie Gray nods
[11:07] Sudane Erato: well... if someone wants to build their own... it must be approved
[11:07] Pip Torok: with the proviso that it be in _theme_ of course
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: soclarify if someone wants to build their own, its still okay just like now .
[11:07] Sudane Erato: and that will get sticky
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: chancellor approval
[11:07] Rosie Gray: it's not to stop people from building their own, but not everyone can or wants to build
[11:07] Ceasar Xigalia: ok are we getting close to a proposal?
[11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: indeed esp new people.
[11:07] Rosie Gray: and of course they must be approved
[11:08] Rosie Gray: which means that the approval needs to be done in a timely and systematic manner
[11:08] Pip Torok: sounds like it ceasar...
[11:08] Sudane Erato: we insist on approving everything in New England... and it is often very difficult
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think we should poll all CDS builders who might have a build that is appropriate, and let them have time to submit, and keep the list open for new builds
[11:08] Rosie Gray: there needs to be some process to ensure a high enough level of quality
[11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: indeed rosie
[11:09] Ceasar Xigalia: perhaps through NG and the Chancellor
[11:09] Rosie Gray: a commitee perhaps
[11:09] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[11:09] Rosie Gray: committee*
[11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: a submission process for any interested builders.. to put their buildson the list of approved CDS builds.. like its a fashion statement :)
[11:09] Pip Torok: I propose that the secretary put together a proposal on these lines for the next m,eeting to vote on
[11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: second.
[11:10] Ceasar Xigalia: those in favour
[11:10] Pip Torok: aye
[11:10] Sudane Erato: aye
[11:10] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:10] Rosie Gray: what is the motion please?
[11:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[11:10] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[11:10] josjoha Resident: 5 times aye
[11:10] Ceasar Xigalia: Pip Torok: I propose that the secretary put together a proposal on these lines for the next m,eeting to vote on
[11:10] Rosie Gray: was that a motion?
[11:11] Ceasar Xigalia: yes
[11:11] Tor Karlsvalt: Regarding the cateloge
[11:11] Rosie Gray: sorry I didn't recognize it as such... but yes I agree
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: was that what you meant pip ?
[11:11] josjoha Resident: 6 times aye
[11:11] Pip Torok: yes
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia nods
[11:11] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i will put that together for next neeting
[11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[11:11] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: anoteher issue about rebuilding the whole sim, is if we have the parcels in question taken off the market
[11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that would be a big sacrifice
[11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[11:12] Ceasar Xigalia: and if we dont they could sell
[11:12] Ceasar Xigalia: would that be a proplem or not?
[11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[11:13] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:13] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[11:13] Ceasar Xigalia: tor after cleo
[11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i know we talked about alexias proposals but does anyone else have one , what about what trebor put on the forums about L A
[11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[11:13] Pip Torok: imo that depends on the inyake of prospective new citizens .. ie RA's marketing division 9!:)
[11:13] Ceasar Xigalia: do you have the link cleo?
[11:13] Pip Torok: intake
[11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i will look
[11:13] Ceasar Xigalia: tor
[11:14] Rosie Gray: raises hand
[11:14] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie after tor
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: good point Cleo. One thing Treb has though is that we should have some small parcels of insulae similar to the fachwerke in NFS.
[11:14] Tor Karlsvalt: thought*
[11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: agree
[11:15] Tor Karlsvalt: done sorry
[11:15] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie
[11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand..
[11:15] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo after rosie
[11:16] Rosie Gray: that was going to be my point too, was trebor's suggestions about the small insulae... but he is assuming a lot in that posting, to do with people who own plots
[11:16] Rosie Gray: as you can see from Mizou's posting
[11:16] Rosie Gray: done
[11:16] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: can we aford to block some of the vacant land now to have proposals on a little bit of them ?? a few of them .. done do the contest with that in mind to start smallish
[11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oops..
[11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[11:17] Ceasar Xigalia: any other discussion on this?
[11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand again
[11:17] Pip Torok: imo "afford" questions are best directed to Sudane
[11:17] Sudane Erato rauise hand
[11:18] Rosie Gray agrees with Pip
[11:18] josjoha Resident nods
[11:18] Ceasar Xigalia: sudane
[11:18] Sudane Erato: i thought that the mood of the group was that we pursue option 2... making a catalog of builds
[11:19] Sudane Erato: if thats the case, i don't see this contest discussion... how that would apply
[11:19] Sudane Erato: other than to contribute to the builds
[11:19] Sudane Erato: done
[11:19] Rosie Gray nods
[11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia riaises hand
[11:19] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:19] Rosie Gray: raises hand
[11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: maybe i misunderstood but i thought they would be two separate things.
[11:19] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[11:20] Ceasar Xigalia: tor after cleo
[11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: a catalogue of builds for vacant lots or new owners as an option to self building
[11:20] Rosie Gray: ahem
[11:20] Tor Karlsvalt: rosie was first after cleo
[11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and then .. separately putting some small permanent builds up like nfs
[11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that part can be a contest maybe. done
[11:20] Ceasar Xigalia: ok rosie then tor
[11:20] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie
[11:21] Rosie Gray: I thought they were two different items as well.. one the catalogue of builds, the other fixiing up some of the non-owned properties
[11:21] Pip Torok raises hand
[11:21] Ceasar Xigalia: pip after tor
[11:21] Rosie Gray: and I wanted to point out that some very simple things could be done to landscape the public areas that don't require building
[11:21] Rosie Gray: but just some gardening
[11:21] Rosie Gray: done
[11:21] Ceasar Xigalia: tor
[11:21] Tor Karlsvalt: I think we would treat them as separate.
[11:22] Tor Karlsvalt: But perhaps at the next meetign we can come up with any areas where we would like to see insulae. I imagine the parcels there would have to be redrawn and the contest could be for the best example of insulae.
[11:22] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[11:22] Bells Semyorka raises hand
[11:23] Ceasar Xigalia: pip then bells
[11:23] Ceasar Xigalia: pip
[11:23] Pip Torok: if we were to allow selfbuilding i wd like to see an active and _effective_ BAC to alert us to buils that are not in theme done
[11:24] Ceasar Xigalia: bells
[11:24] Bells Semyorka: I just want to add on to what rosie said, Simple things can help landscape. Like updating trees that are prims to sculpted versions to reduce prims. Done
[11:24] Ceasar Xigalia: any other toughts on LA?
[11:25] Ceasar Xigalia: thoughts*
[11:25] Sudane Erato: sorry... must go... another mtg
[11:25] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: bye sudane
[11:25] Tor Karlsvalt: bye sudane
[11:25] Bells Semyorka: Ciao
[11:25] Ceasar Xigalia: ok i will move on if thats ok?
[11:25] Pip Torok: bye Sudane .. and tks for your input!
[11:25] josjoha Resident: bye Su
[11:25] Pip Torok: ok by me
[11:26] Ceasar Xigalia: I would like to appoint Bells as the Admin director to the guild...which is subject to a vote of the NG
[11:26] Ceasar Xigalia: would anyone like to speak before the vote
[11:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[11:26] Rosie Gray: raises hand
[11:26] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:26] josjoha Resident: second
[11:26] Ceasar Xigalia: then rosie
[11:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what does that position do ?
[11:26] Pip Torok: can you define the work done by an Admin director?
[11:26] Rosie Gray: that was my question as well
[11:26] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and can we .. coughs
[11:27] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and can we also maybe vote before we go to have a group that does some landscapeing that seems pretty simple and fun. done
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: i would direct you to the new guild cahreter
[11:27] Ceasar Xigalia: charter*
[11:27] Rosie Gray: please post in chat, if it is something we are voting on
[11:28] Ceasar Xigalia: keeps records of att NG decisions
[11:28] Ceasar Xigalia: plus negotiates NB board contracts
[11:28] Ceasar Xigalia: negotiates fees etc
[11:28] Ceasar Xigalia: IP release
[11:28] Pip Torok: (a secretary's secretary...)
[11:29] Ceasar Xigalia: thats is acording to the charter
[11:29] Ceasar Xigalia: i see it as a team
[11:29] Ceasar Xigalia: the secretary, finance director and the admin director
[11:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia raises hand
[11:30] Ceasar Xigalia: any other thoughts?
[11:30] Ceasar Xigalia: cleo
[11:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: everything still has to go through the RA thought, right , contracts and fees ??
[11:30] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: done
[11:31] Ceasar Xigalia: its the job of the admin director to negotiate
[11:31] Ceasar Xigalia: can we move to a vote
[11:31] Ceasar Xigalia: i believe jos seconded
[11:31] josjoha Resident: second
[11:32] Ceasar Xigalia: y=those in favour say aye
[11:32] josjoha Resident: aye
[11:32] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[11:32] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:32] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[11:32] Pip Torok: aye
[11:32] Ceasar Xigalia: the ayes ahve it
[11:32] josjoha Resident: --- + 6 aye
[11:32] Ceasar Xigalia: congrats Bells
[11:32] josjoha Resident: congratulations
[11:32] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yay ! bells
[11:32] Bells Semyorka: :) thank you
[11:32] Tor Karlsvalt: congrats
[11:33] josjoha Resident: --- + 0 naye, 0 abstentions
[11:33] Rosie Gray: raises hand
[11:33] Ceasar Xigalia: rosie
[11:33] Rosie Gray: I think that there is something really important that is still not been addressed
[11:33] Ceasar Xigalia: and that is?
[11:33] Rosie Gray: and that is the matter of approving builds... who does it, what the process is etc
[11:34] Rosie Gray: it needs to be done in a timely manner, or else they are grandfathered without any kind of process
[11:34] Rosie Gray: done
[11:34] Ceasar Xigalia: the charter says its thechancellor assisted by the NG
[11:34] Pip Torok: ie do we have a "build Approval Committee"?
[11:34] Rosie Gray: there should be a review committee that the Chancellor can discuss with
[11:34] Rosie Gray: in case there are gray areas
[11:34] Ceasar Xigalia: can I put that on next weeks agenda for discussion as its a very good point from rosie and pip
[11:34] Rosie Gray: which there WILL be
[11:35] Rosie Gray: sure
[11:35] Ceasar Xigalia: ok ty
[11:35] Pip Torok: good
[11:35] Ceasar Xigalia: and looking at the clock
[11:35] Tor Karlsvalt: good
[11:35] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, we were hoping to have a balloon event
[11:35] Ceasar Xigalia: do we wish to continue and discuss jos' submission or do we take that next week?
[11:36] Pip Torok: next week please?
[11:36] josjoha Resident: raises hand
[11:36] Ceasar Xigalia: jos
[11:36] josjoha Resident: Can we perhaps resolve the NG 'finance director' issue, because Sudane is doing it, and I've found out
[11:36] josjoha Resident: she is paying the NG tier out of her pocket, and is happy going on with being finance director.
[11:36] Rosie Gray: yes she has been doing that
[11:37] josjoha Resident: I will *not* pay it out of my pocket becaues i can't, although there may be an argument that this should not
[11:37] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, I only found this out in the last several months.
[11:37] Ceasar Xigalia: maybe Jos and I should speak with sudane out of the meeting to clarify this
[11:37] josjoha Resident: even be occuring, but besides that. So i won't, and if Sudane doesn't - which she says she will if she is no longer the FD -
[11:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia agrees
[11:37] Ceasar Xigalia: and update you all next week
[11:37] Rosie Gray: it's not because that is the way the system is meant to be, it's because the NG was not funcitoning for a long time
[11:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sudane and ng secretary should discuss
[11:37] Rosie Gray: yes
[11:37] josjoha Resident: then i can put some tipjars around, but if they don't get the cash this building may have to be scrapped because NG doesn't have the funds.
[11:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am interested in doing a fundraiser
[11:38] Tor Karlsvalt: yes
[11:38] Tor Karlsvalt: we should
[11:38] Rosie Gray: Jos you can't put tipjars around, because they need to be owned by Sudane/Rudeen
[11:38] josjoha Resident: Okay, and i like to say further: no reason to mess with something that works, Sudane is doing it, she knows what's going on, frankly i don't have tons of energy every day. done
[11:39] josjoha Resident: Rosie: yes, was just making a thing for it, i gave it to Sudane already.
[11:39] Rosie Gray: I already gave her one
[11:39] Rosie Gray: and in fact, a whole system
[11:39] josjoha Resident: Rosie, ah ok didn't know; this was an idea to have tip-jars that ppl could donate to specific NG projects that they liked.
[11:39] Tor Karlsvalt: that would be god
[11:39] Tor Karlsvalt: good
[11:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: good idea jos
[11:40] Rosie Gray: okay, she needs to set them though
[11:40] Rosie Gray: good idea
[11:40] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but whoever owns the tip jar gets the money
[11:40] josjoha Resident: wait i can rezz it sec
[11:40] Pip Torok: wd be better once ppl actually put money in!! ;)
[11:40] Tor Karlsvalt: BTW tho Events need a bigger tip jar.
[11:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Well it should be Rudeen.
[11:40] josjoha Resident: i thought maybe put them at teh tier-boxes, at the NG and RA ??
[11:40] Rosie Gray: that's a good idea Jos, but it's really ugly
[11:40] Rosie Gray: sorry
[11:40] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[11:40] josjoha Resident: Rosie, sure that's fine : )
[11:40] josjoha Resident: lol
[11:40] Rosie Gray: and it all goes into one pot
[11:41] josjoha Resident: this is not with tip-jar scripts yet
[11:41] Tor Karlsvalt: anyone can click on me if they think i am a tip jar.
[11:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i dont think its ugly. :)
[11:41] Rosie Gray: so... maybe it could be more for making notes of what people like
[11:41] Ceasar Xigalia: i propose that we adjurn and discuss these items next week
[11:41] josjoha Resident: every disk is supposed to be its own tip-jar here
[11:41] Rosie Gray nods
[11:41] Pip Torok: seconde
[11:41] Rosie Gray: yes, sorry
[11:41] josjoha Resident: so you can keep track of funds
[11:41] Tor Karlsvalt: second the adjurnment
[11:41] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we need to be kind to each other
[11:41] josjoha Resident: sure
[11:42] Ceasar Xigalia: those in favour of adjurnment say aye
[11:42] Pip Torok: aye
[11:42] Tor Karlsvalt: aye
[11:42] Ceasar Xigalia: aye
[11:42] Rosie Gray: aye
[11:42] josjoha Resident: it is a simple demo, ...
[11:42] josjoha Resident: aye
[11:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aye
[11:42] Ceasar Xigalia: meeting adjurned thankyou all

Ceasar Xigalia,
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Re: New Guild meeting minutes 1st october 2011

Post by FernLeissa »

I like Alexia’s idea of a contest but I am not sure I see it as the best way to develop a general plan of the layout for LA. I think that the NG, using Alexia’s scale model and plot plan image (can we rez this at the NG?) could meet to discuss options and then ask individual CDS citizens for written draft proposals to be submitted to and discussed at NG meetings. I think this part of the process should involve citizens only. Reading over the transcript of the NG meeting I saw a lot of productive, thoughful discussion. I think we can do this :D

I would like to see a building contest used to develop a catalogue of both villas and insula that would be made available to CDS citizens free of charge if they wished to use them, but could be sold by their creators to others in SL. CDS citizens could still build their own buildings or purchase others if they wished, as long as these buildings met covenant guidelines, but they would have the option of purchasing for L$0 from this catalogue of builds developed through the contest. I would open this building contest to both citizens and non-citizens.

I don’t think we should invoke eminent domain. I think we can build around existing private structures and lands that are set for private sale. Land held by CDS as part of public land or for sale through Rudeen could be considered during the upgrade/facelift.

I do think we need to consider re-parcelling? I feel that the existing 4-squares of 512 sq m properties just do not work. Take a look at Bells’s house for a sec. If all three of the other properties around the center courtyard that she faces sold, she’d have no way to get in her front door.

I also think we need to consider widening the river channel in LA. It is it is impossible to get a boat (except a tiny row boat) down river and into the harbour. If we ever plan to add water sims off the harbour, than this would seem to be an issue.

I would assume that at least part of the rebuilding for LA results in permanent builds. I think we also need to decide which of the existing town structures we want to keep.

Just to start the discussion... I would suggest that we consider widening or extending the harbour plaza/wharf (or whatever it is). We’ve had a lot of nice events there, but it seems a little crowded. Even moving the existing buildings back a bit might improve the use of the space. And how about building a “town” along the road out of CN and down to the harbour?

Fern

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