LUC 2nd meeting: Comments and Transcript

[anti Wirefly]

[08:12] Pip Torok: hi ...
[08:12] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Hi anti! Hi Pip!
[08:12] Timo Gufler: hi Pip!
[08:12] anti Wirefly: hi all ???
[08:12] Timo Gufler: and anti!
[08:13] Bells Semyorka:
[08:13] Leslie Allandale: She is heading up important committees, too. so I hope she gets on.
[08:13] Pip Torok: hi .. still rezzing so looking where to sit
[08:13] Leslie Allandale: Shall we start?
[08:13] Bells Semyorka: anti I like your tag
[08:13] anti Wirefly: thanks lol
[08:13] Bells Semyorka:
[08:13] Leslie Allandale: Everyone will of course notice the sign behind us
[08:13] Leslie Allandale: reminding the group that this will be recorded?
[08:14] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Yes
[08:15] Leslie Allandale: I would like to welcome Timo and am happy we have a builder from the RA to help us
[08:15] Timo Gufler: thank you, Leslie, it's my pleasure to join this committee
[08:16] Leslie Allandale: Has everyone looked at the minutes? Can I get a motion to approve them?
[08:16] Timo Gufler nods
[08:16] Leslie Allandale: a second?
[08:16] Shep (Shep Titian): second
[08:16] Timo Gufler: second
[08:16] Leslie Allandale: vote?
[08:16] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Aye
[08:17] Shep (Shep Titian): aye
[08:17] Timo Gufler: aye
[08:17] Leslie Allandale: anti?
[08:17] Leslie Allandale: motion carries anyway.
[08:17] anti Wirefly: sorry working on new ones lol
[08:18] Leslie Allandale: The way the commission was set up was for continuity.
[08:18] Leslie Allandale: So the RA and Exec members are appointed concurrently with elections
[08:18] Leslie Allandale: The 4 citizens are to be appointed on a mid-election basis
[08:19] Leslie Allandale: So we need to send the RA our proposal for the other 4.
[08:19] Leslie Allandale: Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions?
[08:20] Leslie Allandale: My thoughts were to have two of the citizens be appointed March 1, and the other September 1.
[08:20] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): No. I think it's nice to stagger the terms of the LUC committee members.
[08:20] Leslie Allandale: good
[08:21] Timo Gufler: I would suggest Em
[08:21] Leslie Allandale: that way, every three months would see 2 new members.
[08:21] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): And the elected terms begin on Dec 1 and...June 1?
[08:21] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:21] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): (for the RA, I mean)
[08:22] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:22] Leslie Allandale: for RA and Exec
[08:22] Leslie Allandale: Oh here comes Rosie
[08:22] Leslie Allandale: Yay
[08:22] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Timo, all of the LUC seats are filled as of now.
[08:22] Leslie Allandale: If March and September work for everyone, may I get a motion for that proposal?
[08:23] anti Wirefly: I so move
[08:23] Timo Gufler: Hmmm, I thought, you wanted suggestions for new members...
[08:23] Leslie Allandale: second?
[08:23] Leslie Allandale: No. on the agenda we are at item C
[08:23] Leslie Allandale: C. Approve Commission membership rotation, and forward to RA for approval.
[08:23] Timo Gufler nods
[08:23] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): We (the citizen choices) were confirmed at the very end of the 21st RA.
[08:24] anti Wirefly: howdy Rosie ?
[08:24] Timo Gufler: Hi Rosie!
[08:24] Leslie Allandale: Hi Rosie, we were worried.
[08:24] Rosie Gray: hello everyone, my apologies for being late
[08:24] Rosie Gray: I just got up
[08:24] Leslie Allandale: So do we have a second?
[08:24] Leslie Allandale: Give Rosie coffee
[08:24] Shep (Shep Titian): Hi Rosie .. nps hun
[08:24] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I second - as long as there are no further questions?
[08:24] Leslie Allandale: And expect slurred words for the first half hour.
[08:25] Leslie Allandale: any discussion?
[08:25] Leslie Allandale: We are approving a method of rotation Rosie.
[08:25] Rosie Gray: okay
[08:25] Leslie Allandale: the motion is to have 2 citizen members appointed March 1, and two Sept. 1
[08:25] Shep (Shep Titian): How do we pick the new members?
[08:26] Leslie Allandale: The members will be nominated by RA and Guild.
[08:26] Shep (Shep Titian): is it a case of everyone gets a go?
[08:26] Leslie Allandale: Guild, and or other NGO
[08:27] Leslie Allandale: Well, the idea is for the RA and Guild to nominate the best qualified Citizens to be responsible for how CDS looks.
[08:27] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I can't remember...we decided the citizen LUC members would serve...a year?
[08:27] Shep (Shep Titian): which always comes back to the same old stew of the usual suspects
[08:27] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[08:27] Leslie Allandale: they serve a year on staggered terms
[08:27] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): ty
[08:27] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington) needs more caffeine
[08:28] Leslie Allandale: so we have continuity, accountability, and expertise.
[08:28] Shep (Shep Titian): so no time to get your teeth set in to a better plan
[08:28] Leslie Allandale: Any other comments or questions?
[08:28] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): How do you mean Shep?
[08:28] Leslie Allandale: What do you mean Shep?
[08:29] Shep (Shep Titian): Well things work here that you discuss things for 6 months and do little anyway
[08:29] Leslie Allandale: Is that good or bad?
[08:30] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): The RA member and the Exec member serve 6 months, the the other 4 members serve 12
[08:30] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[08:30] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): We did that because we wanted members that would keep things "together"
[08:30] Shep (Shep Titian): I think it should be people who are good enough builders to know the answers and give them their heads
[08:30] Leslie Allandale: that is the idea
[08:30] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): So as to avoid the "talk for 6 months and do nothing problem"
[08:31] Shep (Shep Titian): we'll see
[08:31] Leslie Allandale: Do you have a suggestion to improve the plan, Shep
[08:31] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Will it work? No idea!
[08:31] Leslie Allandale: It is written into the law.
[08:31] Leslie Allandale: more or less
[08:32] Shep (Shep Titian): I already said ... give it to those that can
[08:32] Leslie Allandale: good, any other discussion?
[08:32] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[08:32] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:32] Leslie Allandale: rosie
[08:33] Rosie Gray: I'm wondering if it's possible to reappoint the same person after 6 months, if the nominators want to and the candidate agrees?
[08:33] Shep (Shep Titian): In RL in Britain our civil service serves whatever colour party is the government .. that way there is longevity
[08:33] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:33] Leslie Allandale: absolutely
[08:33] Leslie Allandale: The only reason a term would be up is for accountability reasons
[08:34] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): As of right now, we have no term limits or restrictions. Note that I say "as of now".
[08:34] Leslie Allandale: the is nothing that limits reappointing a member.
[08:34] Rosie Gray nods
[08:34] Leslie Allandale: shall we call the question?
[08:34] Shep (Shep Titian): done
[08:34] Leslie Allandale: ty
[08:35] Leslie Allandale: all in favor?
[08:35] anti Wirefly: aye
[08:35] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Aye
[08:35] Rosie Gray: aye
[08:35] Shep (Shep Titian): aye
[08:35] Timo Gufler: aye
[08:35] Leslie Allandale: carried
[08:35] Leslie Allandale: Should we decide now which two are 6 monthers?
[08:36] Leslie Allandale: lol.
[08:36] Rosie Gray: might as well
[08:36] Leslie Allandale: So from Guild it is anti and Rosie.
[08:36] Leslie Allandale: We could let the Guild decide.
[08:37] anti Wirefly agrees to go with the flow
[08:37] Leslie Allandale: Shall we ask that the guild and RA decide when the time comes?
[08:38] Rosie Gray: sure
[08:38] Leslie Allandale: motion?
[08:38] Rosie Gray: might make sense that way
[08:38] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Which of us should be on which "schedule"?
[08:38] Leslie Allandale: it will be clearer.
[08:38] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:38] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): ok ty
[08:38] Leslie Allandale: that is a motion?
[08:39] Leslie Allandale: Is there a motion at the Guild and RA will nominate members to replace the current member of their choice?
[08:39] anti Wirefly: I so move
[08:39] Leslie Allandale: second?
[08:40] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Second
[08:40] Leslie Allandale: any further discussion?
[08:40] Rosie Gray: not from me
[08:41] Leslie Allandale: All in favor
[08:41] Shep (Shep Titian): Clarification?
[08:41] Shep (Shep Titian): No worries
[08:41] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Shep?
[08:41] Leslie Allandale: shep?
[08:41] Shep (Shep Titian): Ok sorry
[08:42] Leslie Allandale: np
[08:42] Leslie Allandale: vote?
[08:42] anti Wirefly: aye
[08:42] Rosie Gray: aye
[08:42] Timo Gufler: aye
[08:42] Shep (Shep Titian): Do you mean RA picks the replacement for THEIR current choice?
[08:42] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:42] Shep (Shep Titian): ok
[08:42] Shep (Shep Titian): thx
[08:43] Leslie Allandale: Josie?
[08:43] Shep (Shep Titian): aye ... with reservations
[08:43] Rosie Gray runs to get a cup of tea
[08:43] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Aye
[08:43] Leslie Allandale: carries
[08:43] Leslie Allandale: Next
[08:44] Leslie Allandale: Josie and I have been working with Law Review on laws that affect LUC
[08:44] Leslie Allandale: We have agreed to table 4 of them and are working on the covenants, which are much in need of revision
[08:44] Shep (Shep Titian): Sorry could I just ask a question on the passed motion?
[08:44] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:46] Shep (Shep Titian): What would be the case if a member is chosen by the exec .. becomes RA by the time they need or could be replaced
[08:46] Leslie Allandale: The would still hold their chair
[08:46] Leslie Allandale: No
[08:46] Leslie Allandale: I see your point.
[08:47] Leslie Allandale: then the Exec would have to nominate a replacement
[08:47] Leslie Allandale: since the RA member wouldn't be working for the Exec
[08:47] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington) nods
[08:47] Leslie Allandale: Good point
[08:47] Leslie Allandale: Do we need to clarify that?
[08:47] Shep (Shep Titian): A shame if that person was a driving force
[08:47] Leslie Allandale: or is it just logical?
[08:47] Shep (Shep Titian): ok
[08:48] Leslie Allandale: life does not always give us ice cream
[08:48] Rosie Gray: couldn't be helped, I guess
[08:48] Leslie Allandale:
[08:48] Shep (Shep Titian): Oh Blase
[08:48] Leslie Allandale: Back to agenda
[08:48] Shep (Shep Titian): please do
[08:49] Leslie Allandale: If any one would like to be part of the Law Review team as a rep of LUC, please ping Widget. We will be working on the covenants
[08:49] Leslie Allandale: Is that okay with you Widget?
[08:50] Widget Whiteberry blinks
[08:50] Leslie Allandale: Hey boss
[08:50] Leslie Allandale: I just want Commissioners to have access to the process/
[08:51] Widget Whiteberry: let me think about that. I certainly want to hear from anyone who wishes to be par of Law Review, eiher generally or for a particular project.
[08:51] Leslie Allandale: Fine.
[08:51] Leslie Allandale: thank you
[08:51] Widget Whiteberry: access to the process is perhaps different.
[08:51] Widget Whiteberry: and my cncern is that we work efficiently
[08:52] Widget Whiteberry: done
[08:52] Leslie Allandale: Well, they can access through me. I just wanted to clear out the middleman.
[08:52] Leslie Allandale: so to speak
[08:52] Leslie Allandale: We can revisit the matter after you have some time to think about it.
[08:52] Widget Whiteberry: hank you
[08:53] Leslie Allandale: the next idem under committee chairs is Josie's New Sim Installation.
[08:53] Leslie Allandale: So I would turn the meeting over to that chair.
[08:53] Leslie Allandale: the next idem under committee chairs is Josie's New Sim Installation.
[08:53] Leslie Allandale: So I would turn the meeting over to that chair.
[08:53] Leslie Allandale: Josie.
[08:53] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): ty
[08:54] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I have created a general list of all of the steps that occur during the development of a new region.
[08:54] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): This document is NOT meant to be a law or an official policy.
[08:54] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): In some ways I consider it a checklist, and an education tool for the LUC
[08:55] Timo Gufler: that's good
[08:55] Leslie Allandale: raises hand
[08:55] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I wrote this document in general terms to explain how estates develop new regions - there is nothing that is CDS-specific in the document at this time.
[08:55] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Leslie?
[08:55] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[08:56] Leslie Allandale: Can you put the document in the box for us to read?
[08:56] Leslie Allandale: done
[08:56] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I have the public link, but I'd like to give everyone here a chance to review it, between now and our next meeting
[08:57] Leslie Allandale: oaky
[08:57] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I can give you the headings so you have an idea of what it contains
[08:57] Leslie Allandale: okay
[08:57] Leslie Allandale: That would be good
[08:57] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): But I don't want you all to try and scramble through this at the moment
[08:57] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): It's too much information
[08:57] Leslie Allandale: nods
[08:57] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Also - this document is a draft
[08:58] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): If you have questions or see something that is glaringly missing, I want to know
[08:58] Leslie Allandale: Is there anything we can do atm, to start the process, regarding the new sim that is approved for west of NFS?
[08:58] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): This is in Google docs. If you have a Google account I can invite you to edit it. If you do not, I am willing to take comments via email or notecards.
[08:59] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Let me do this - I'll give you the headings - that will show you where we are in the general process
[08:59] Leslie Allandale: Good, we will be waiting for the invite on the edge of our chairs.
[08:59] Rosie Gray: I think we all have google accounts Josie
[08:59] Leslie Allandale: yes
[08:59] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): And then after I give you these headings, I will then paste the link here in chat.
[09:00] Leslie Allandale: sweet, ty
[09:00] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): If you have a Google account, please email me
[09:00] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I will add you to my contacts. And again, email and notecards are ok too.
[09:01] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Ok - this is the "big picture"
[09:01] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 1. Needs Assessment - CDS has completed this already
[09:01] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 2. Region Theme Selection - also completed
[09:02] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 3. Determine Region Key Function and Features - THIS is where we are as of today, none of this has been done
[09:03] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 4. Determine Region Prim Bonus - this works in conjunction with #3 and #5
[09:03] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 5. Create Region Spreadsheet(s) - I should explain this heading better, this is where you break down total number of parcels, their sizes and prim allotments
[09:04] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 6. Design Region Parcel Layout - this is the "map"
[09:05] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 7. Present Region for Reservations - this is what MOST estates do, it might not be the case for CDS
[09:06] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 8. Develop Region - terrafoming, building, roads - the heavy work
[09:06] Delia Lake whispers that she is not really here but will read chat later.
[09:06] Rosie Gray: ?
[09:06] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): And that's it for now. As I said this is a draft and I welcome feedback!
[09:07] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Here is the link to the full document:
[09:07] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xeu ... sp=sharing
[09:07] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I know I have likely missed some details in here, and I know I can clarify some things.
[09:08] Leslie Allandale: raises hand
[09:08] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): It will help to have your eyes on it so you can say to me "hey, Josie, where is the step for X?"
[09:08] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Yes, Leslie
[09:08] Timo Gufler raises hand too
[09:08] Leslie Allandale: Is it possible for us to start working on item 3?
[09:08] Leslie Allandale: done
[09:09] Leslie Allandale: yield to timo
[09:09] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[09:09] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Well, possibly? How much discussion has occurred on these items? And I know there is the survey, which would inform these decisions.
[09:10] Timo Gufler: I have to say, that I'm bit confused about the impact of Omnibus law and the procedures
[09:10] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Please continue Timo
[09:10] Timo Gufler: does it leave room for a sim design contest, without limiting the options and ideas too much
[09:11] Timo Gufler: having said that, I respect your work and like to have general guidelines about expansion
[09:11] Leslie Allandale: raises hand
[09:11] Timo Gufler: I'm just bit confused about the lists
[09:11] Timo Gufler: done
[09:12] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): The Omnibus bill? I believe it contains the procedures that would apply to contests.
[09:12] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): As for my document, it could be used as an educational tool for someone who wants to design a sim for a contest.
[09:12] Leslie Allandale: Yes, I believe that in whole the bill should be looked at by the RA, but such questions are germain and should be considered
[09:13] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Rosie, you had a question
[09:13] Rosie Gray: not quite a question
[09:14] Rosie Gray: I've worked on the document for how to go about revising the GMP, which will overlap some of what is in Josie's document
[09:14] Rosie Gray: so, perhaps we should look at it at the same time?
[09:15] Rosie Gray: in the case of the CDS, we've had this GMP currently approved since 2008, and needs to be updated, which is some of what this doc relates to
[09:15] Rosie Gray: done
[09:15] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I think so. I see my document as the most basic of foundations. It's the big picture.
[09:16] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): The GMP is the detail, but it would be good to see an alignment there
[09:16] Leslie Allandale: absolutely
[09:16] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): And both documents can be edited to align better.
[09:16] Rosie Gray: it's not super detailed... I think they will work together
[09:16] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Perfect!
[09:17] Rosie Gray: let me share the current GMP with you, if you haven't already seen it
[09:17] Rosie Gray: one moment
[09:17] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Leslie, you had raised your hand - do you want to add/ask something?
[09:17]
[09:17] Timo Gufler feels that he has seen it far too many times during the last 5 years...
[09:18] Shep (Shep Titian): hahahahahaha
[09:18] Rosie Gray: lol, indeed Timo
[09:18] Leslie Allandale: Just to mention that omnibus bill and GMP are for future sims, imo, and the ra is expecting us to move quickly toward the implementation of the approved sim.
[09:19] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Without considering the GMP?
[09:19] Timo Gufler agrees wholeheartly
[09:19] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[09:19] Timo Gufler: The GMP should be adapted to the new sim, in my opinion, because the GMP 2008 doesn't work with our current terrain even
[09:19] Rosie Gray: yes, the decisions were already made by 21st RA
[09:19] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Or is it possible to add the new sim with the intention that it will fit the new plan?
[09:19] Leslie Allandale: yes
[09:20] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): ok - gotcha!
[09:20] Timo Gufler: or to fit the plan to the new sim
[09:20] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I've worked on sim development like that before.
[09:20] Leslie Allandale: We will make the new GMP to correspond with existing sims, including the one we are building
[09:20] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Perfect
[09:20] Timo Gufler: Excellent!
[09:20] Leslie Allandale: It isn't great, but expeditious.
[09:21] Leslie Allandale: Thank you Rosie
[09:21] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Anyway, what I need is for you all to review this document between now and our next meeting. (which is not yet scheduled)
[09:21] Leslie Allandale: not tomorrow, I hope.
[09:21] Shep (Shep Titian): Why do I remember the talk was of two sioms?
[09:21] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I will add you to the document - please put your comments in the comments section, not in the document itself
[09:21] Leslie Allandale: It is, but we need to get this one done first.
[09:21] Rosie Gray: if you touch those map prims it will give you copies
[09:21] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Or send me an email or a notecard with feedback
[09:22] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Are there any more questions on this document?
[09:23] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): These general procedures?
[09:23] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): (feel free to send questions to me if they arise)
[09:23] Timo Gufler: It should be read carefully first...
[09:23] Leslie Allandale: I think we have our homework cut out for us, Josie.
[09:24] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): If everyone is good with what I have discussed, I will turn the chair over to Rosie and item 3 on the agenda.
[09:24] Leslie Allandale: who has had her cup of coffee, i hope.
[09:25] Rosie Gray: tea,
[09:25] Leslie Allandale: tea, soz
[09:25] Rosie Gray: sure... okay
[09:26] Rosie Gray: I've created a document which I've already shared with all of you for comments
[09:26] Rosie Gray: let me find the link
[09:26] Rosie Gray: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nAc ... sp=sharing
[09:27] Rosie Gray: a draft for inspecting, approving or recommending changes to existing and proposed builds
[09:28] Leslie Allandale: I have a question
[09:28] Rosie Gray: since all the commissioners had access for a couple of weeks and nobody has made any suggestions or comments about it... I guess I have made a perfect document!!
[09:28] Rosie Gray grins
[09:28] Leslie Allandale: yes
[09:28]
[09:28] anti Wirefly applauds
[09:28] Leslie Allandale: but have a question
[09:28] Rosie Gray: hahah, seriously now...
[09:29] Rosie Gray: yes Leslie?
[09:29] Leslie Allandale: Some of our procedures should go to the RA, but many will be just internal protocol
[09:30] Leslie Allandale: How do we differentiate, and where will we keep the rules we adopt internally?
[09:30] Leslie Allandale: You did good, btw
[09:30] Rosie Gray: how do we differentiate which procedures should go to the RA?
[09:30] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[09:30] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[09:31] Timo Gufler raises hand
[09:31] Leslie Allandale: Like gmp will go to ra and be approved
[09:31] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): do you mean conflict resolution stuff Les?
[09:31] Rosie Gray: I don't think any of it has to go to the RA
[09:31] Leslie Allandale: gmp will
[09:31] Rosie Gray: it's more to the Chancellor's office
[09:31] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): This is just inspection procedures
[09:31] Leslie Allandale: KK, just for clarification.
[09:32] Rosie Gray: yes, and if there is a conflict that can't be resolved by the commissioners, it goes to the Chancellor
[09:32] Leslie Allandale: I move we approve Rosie's document, with amendments if anyone has any
[09:32] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Timo has a question
[09:32] Leslie Allandale: sorry
[09:32] Rosie Gray: yes, Timo
[09:32] Timo Gufler: Yes...
[09:32] Timo Gufler: I'm wondering, what to do, if the inspectors and the builder disagree about interpretation of the coventant. Who should have the last word? SC?
[09:32] Timo Gufler: done, thank you
[09:33] Leslie Allandale: raises hand
[09:33] Rosie Gray: and I just sent you access to the document, since you are the new member of this commission
[09:33] Rosie Gray: then it goes to the Chancellor Timo
[09:33] Rosie Gray: and then I guess if there is still disagreement, it goes to the SC
[09:33] Timo Gufler: ok, thanks
[09:33] Leslie Allandale: The LUC is clear
[09:34] Leslie Allandale: that this commission is the last work
[09:34] Leslie Allandale: d
[09:34] Shep (Shep Titian): SC only deal with law interpretation
[09:34] Timo Gufler: aren't the covenants part of the law?
[09:34] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Therefore we have the last word. It's law.
[09:34] Shep (Shep Titian): yes they are
[09:35] Leslie Allandale: Nothing precludes a citizen from taking any matter to sc
[09:35] Rosie Gray: Handling problems:
If there are issues with the build, Inspectors make suggestions to the owner on how to bring their building into compliance with the covenants.
If there are major issues (such as the building is completely inappropriate), notify the Chancellor of what the problem is.
[09:37] Rosie Gray: I guess your question would be about if there is a serious disagreement and it's still not handled by the Chancellor... if the citizen involved doesn't cooperate even with the Chancellor
[09:37] Rosie Gray: hopefully that scenario doesn't happen all that much, but they could take it to the SC
[09:37] Leslie Allandale: according to LUC law, they appear before this commission
[09:37] Shep (Shep Titian): Then their build gets returned surely
[09:38] Timo Gufler: I can imagine, that if someone has worked on a building for months, he/she may not be willingful to make big changes easily.
[09:38] Rosie Gray: is it in the LUC law? sorry so many new laws to try and keep track of
[09:38] Rosie Gray nods at Timo
[09:38] Timo Gufler: But that's not a justification.
[09:39] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I don't think there is *anything* in these procedures about returning builds. Just offering assistance and education, and then moving into conflict resolution mode.
[09:39] Rosie Gray: but, hopefully we see that people are starting to build and have a chat with them before they are too invested in something inappropriate
[09:40] Leslie Allandale: SECTION VII: RECOURSE
Decisions made by the Commission and/or its inspectors, plus any subsequent action(s) by the Chancellor’s Office may be challenged: a. By a petition of the affected party; b. In a format approved by the commission, including a requirement of personal attendance; c. To the Land-Use Commission; d. At its next scheduled meeting, or sooner, if a quorum of the Commission agrees to expedite the process. The decision of the Commission shall be binding on all parties, subject to appropriate appeals.
[09:40] Shep (Shep Titian): Agrees with Rosie
[09:40] Rosie Gray: okay, so that section should be referenced in this document
[09:40] Shep (Shep Titian): BUT in he end if there is a problem and they refuse .. it has to have an ending
[09:41] Leslie Allandale: they come to us, and if unhappy with that, they can appeal to SC.
[09:41] Timo Gufler hopes, the covenant would be flexible about window size
[09:42] Leslie Allandale: One would hope
[09:42] Rosie Gray: I've added that section to the document
[09:43] Rosie Gray: does that look like a document we can vote on now?
[09:44] Shep (Shep Titian): A citizen has made a suggestion that 'bad' builds that citizens won't change could be moved to 300m
[09:44] Timo Gufler: higher, Shep, higher
[09:44] Shep (Shep Titian): hehehe
[09:44] Rosie Gray: 300m is visible and covenants say at least 500m or 1000m
[09:44] Timo Gufler: 2000m would be fine
[09:44] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I think covenant states anything "up there" has to be 512 sq. m. or above
[09:44] Shep (Shep Titian): I missed a zero
[09:45] Timo Gufler smiles
[09:45] Shep (Shep Titian): so sorry
[09:45] Rosie Gray: haha
[09:45] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Ah ha!
[09:45] Pip Torok: 3000 !
[09:45] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Well, sure they could!
[09:45] Shep (Shep Titian): Pip did say thousad .. my error
[09:45] Rosie Gray: yes they could of course
[09:45] Timo Gufler: any higher bid?
[09:45] Rosie Gray: that's why our skies are full of odd things!
[09:45] anti Wirefly has her totally innapropriate English garden there
[09:45] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): I am prepared to vote on your document now Rosie.
[09:46] Shep (Shep Titian): Yes but its a good compromise
[09:46] Timo Gufler: if your drawing distance is over 512, you can see the skyboxes of CN and LA from NFS and Monastery at moment
[09:46] Leslie Allandale: second
[09:46] Shep (Shep Titian): beats getting it returned
[09:46] Rosie Gray: can we get back to the document on hand?
[09:46] Shep (Shep Titian): CDS NEEDS consequences
[09:47] Rosie Gray: I agree Shep, and that can always be a solution
[09:47] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): [09:45] Josie Cooperstone (josephine.fotherington): I am prepared to vote on your document now Rosie. - and Les seconded that
[09:47] Leslie Allandale: call the question
[09:47] Rosie Gray: vote
[09:47] anti Wirefly: aye
[09:47] Timo Gufler: aye
[09:47] Rosie Gray: aye
[09:47] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Aye
[09:47] Shep (Shep Titian): aye
[09:48] Rosie Gray: thank you
[09:48] Leslie Allandale: yay
[09:48] Rosie Gray: Turns the chair magic wand back to Leslie
[09:48] Leslie Allandale: And I turn the gavel to Timo
[09:48] Leslie Allandale: the honorable Timo
[09:48] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): What about 4 and 5?
[09:49] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): 4. Shep and 5. Rosie
[09:49] Timo Gufler: Yes ... 4 and 5 were skipped
[09:49] Leslie Allandale: If we can get to you, of course, but RA is demanding time line
[09:49] Leslie Allandale: Shep
[09:49] Rosie Gray: I think Leslie has to go soon
[09:49] Rosie Gray: and wants to get Timo's piece first
[09:49] Shep (Shep Titian): Thank you
[09:50] Leslie Allandale: It's okay, Go shep
[09:50] Shep (Shep Titian): ok it really depends on my brief for being here
[09:50] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[09:50] Leslie Allandale: ty
[09:50] Shep (Shep Titian): Am I if you like my own person .. or reporting to the chancellor
[09:51] Leslie Allandale: You are the representative of the Chancellor's office, but as a Member of the Commission, you are certainly independent.
[09:52] Timo Gufler: I see Shep typing, but is it my turn next?
[09:52] Shep (Shep Titian): If I'm reporting to him the protocols are sim,ple .. I listen and then tell Pat my opinion backed with transcript
[09:52] Shep (Shep Titian): and await his opinion to share with you all
[09:53] Leslie Allandale: The idea is to have protocol for the interface between Commission inspectors and the Chancellor's office
[09:53] Leslie Allandale: I don't think you as a commission member need to consult with the Chancellor
[09:53] Shep (Shep Titian): At this point in time we are struggling to get a meeting set up
[09:55] Shep (Shep Titian): Ok ... well it comes down to the usual ways of approaching .. notecards
[09:55] Shep (Shep Titian): Its tricky .. as exec I'm not elected
[09:55] Rosie Gray: isn't it more a point of you keeping the Chancellor informed on how things are going, than asking for approval on everything?
[09:56] anti Wirefly nods
[09:56] Rosie Gray: and, you are appointed by him to this commission
[09:56] Shep (Shep Titian): Ergo no mandate .. as just Shep .. I'm as interested in our enviroment as the next person
[09:56] Leslie Allandale: absolutely
[09:56] Rosie Gray: as one of 6, so it's not as if you can change everything by yourself
[09:57] Shep (Shep Titian): Does he know? hahaha
[09:57] Shep (Shep Titian): No Rosie .. I kinda get that
[09:58] Shep (Shep Titian): I'm so sorry ... my son is on the phone
[09:59] Leslie Allandale: I have RL pressing, and would like timo to address his needs for establishing a time line
[09:59] Rosie Gray: why don't we jump to that since Shep is afk
[09:59] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Shall we table 5 and 7?
[09:59] Leslie Allandale: Yes
[10:00] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): ok - Timo time!
[10:00] Leslie Allandale: do you so move?
[10:00] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): yes
[10:00] anti Wirefly: second
[10:00] Leslie Allandale: all in favor
[10:00] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:00] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): aye
[10:00] anti Wirefly: aye
[10:00] Timo Gufler: aye
[10:00] Leslie Allandale: passed
[10:00] Leslie Allandale: Timo
[10:01] Leslie Allandale: And thanks for accepting the nomination
[10:01] Timo Gufler: Well, I was defined a task to establish a calendar and time line for the new sims
[10:01] Rosie Gray: yay!
[10:01] Timo Gufler: unfortunately I noticed that task on Thursday/Friday and have not had time to start any planning
[10:02] Leslie Allandale: absolutely necessary
[10:02] Timo Gufler: but by the next meeting, I can show you a draft
[10:02] Leslie Allandale: What can we do to help.
[10:02] Timo Gufler: During RA meeting TOR said "I move to request that the LUC establish and publish a timeline for the implementation of the new sims: tier and covenant determination and approval, final sim design, purchase, terraforming, construction of public works and guidelines for private constructions, and land distribution policies and occupation."
[10:02] Shep (Shep Titian): Back
[10:03] Timo Gufler: should I use Tor's list as an outline of the calendar, or?
[10:03] Leslie Allandale: That is a long sentence for tor
[10:03] Timo Gufler:
[10:03] Rosie Gray: ?
[10:04] Leslie Allandale: I think you should use it as a guidline, for sure, but you could expand it if you thought it necessary, imho
[10:04] Shep (Shep Titian): sorry they phoned back ... ... its my handicapped son
[10:04] Leslie Allandale: take care of it Shep
[10:04] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): no worries Shep
[10:04] Rosie Gray nods at Shep
[10:04] Timo Gufler: Ok, I move, that we return to the calender in the next meeting.
[10:04] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): First life first
[10:05] Leslie Allandale: second
[10:05] anti Wirefly: second
[10:05] Leslie Allandale: vote?
[10:05] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Aye
[10:05] anti Wirefly: aye
[10:05] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:05] Timo Gufler: the motion passed
[10:05] Timo Gufler turns the magic wand back to Leslie
[10:05] Leslie Allandale: ty Timo
[10:05] Leslie Allandale: Any member concerns?
[10:06] Rosie Gray raises a hand
[10:06] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Not from me
[10:06] Leslie Allandale: Rosie
[10:06] Rosie Gray: thank you
[10:06] Rosie Gray: not a concern... just to advise that I've shared the Procedures to Update and Revise the CDS General Master Plan with all commissioners
[10:06] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): ty!
[10:06] Rosie Gray: so that you can make comments
[10:07] Leslie Allandale: noted.
[10:07] Rosie Gray: and we can be prepared for next meeting
[10:07] Rosie Gray: done
[10:07] Leslie Allandale: good.
[10:07] Leslie Allandale: If no more from members, lets get ideas for next meeting.
[10:07] Leslie Allandale: Timo
[10:08] Leslie Allandale: I think your are the most affected.
[10:08] Timo Gufler: What do you mean, Leslie?
[10:08] Leslie Allandale: You are not able to make Saturday mornings
[10:09] Timo Gufler: That depends.
[10:09] Leslie Allandale: So, is it okay with everyone if I doodle?
[10:09] Leslie Allandale: Or shall we set a time now
[10:09] Leslie Allandale: ?
[10:09] Timo Gufler: That would be perfect.
[10:09] Leslie Allandale: I will doodle then
[10:09] Shep (Shep Titian): Back
[10:09] Rosie Gray: Doodle works great
[10:09] Rosie Gray: wb Shep
[10:09] Leslie Allandale: If that is okay, do we have questions from guests?
[10:10] Leslie Allandale: Pip? Widget? Bells? Delia?
[10:10] Pip Torok: none from me, thank you
[10:10] Bells Semyorka: none here.
[10:10] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Delia might still be afk
[10:10] Leslie Allandale: I hope that means we did well.
[10:10] Rosie Gray: ?
[10:10] Pip Torok: yes indeed ...
[10:10] Leslie Allandale: Then do I hear a motion to adjourn?
[10:10] anti Wirefly: I so move
[10:10] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): Second
[10:10] Leslie Allandale: secdond
[10:10] Leslie Allandale: all in favor?
[10:10] Rosie Gray: aye
[10:10] Shep (Shep Titian): Sorry about my timing .. typical
[10:11] anti Wirefly: aye
[10:11] Timo Gufler: aye
[10:11] Josie Cooperstone (Josephine Fotherington): aye
[10:11] Shep (Shep Titian): Aye
[10:11] Leslie Allandale: done
[10:11] Rosie Gray: couldn't be helped Shep
[10:11] Rosie Gray: not to worry
[10:11] Leslie Allandale: ty everone.l