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Dec 30th Transcript

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[12:17] Rosie Gray: in that case, I call this meeting to order
[12:17] Sudane Erato: yep :)
[12:17] Sudane Erato: good!
[12:18] Rosie Gray: and I apologize for not having an Agenda ready, but it's been too busy in RL
[12:18] Sudane Erato: np at all
[12:18] Rosie Gray: so once again we wing it
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: I´d have something at the beginning :)
[12:18] Lilith Ivory: as I was thinking I will be willing to take the transcripts
[12:18] Rosie Gray: okay, so go for it Lilith
[12:19] Sudane Erato: great :)
[12:19] Rosie Gray: okay, that would be great thank you
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: no need for Rosie to carry that extra burden
[12:19] Sudane Erato: :)
[12:19] Lilith Ivory: don´t expect minutes from me as I hate doing them lol
[12:19] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:19] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): .me wonders what she can pass off onto Lilith
[12:19] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:19] Rosie Gray: we don't need minutes for the LUC, I'm thinking
[12:19] Sudane Erato: Lil is SO relieved no longer being Dean :)
[12:20] Rosie Gray: yes hahahahh
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: now I can snoop around at other places again;-)
[12:20] Rosie Gray: okay motion to accept Lilith as archivist for the LUC this term
[12:20] Sudane Erato: aye
[12:20] Rosie Gray: we need a second
[12:20] Sudane Erato: oh
[12:20] Sudane Erato: second
[12:20] Rosie Gray: thanks
[12:20] Rosie Gray: all in favour?
[12:20] Sudane Erato: aye
[12:20] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:20] Rosie Gray: aye
[12:21] Rosie Gray: motion passed
[12:21] Sudane Erato: bravo!
[12:21] Lilith Ivory could have abstained now to make the vote non valid ;-)
[12:21] Rosie Gray hands over the notepad and pen to Lilith
[12:21] Sudane Erato: :)
[12:21] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): I am laughing hysterically in the reals
[12:21] Lilith Ivory smiles and takes it
[12:21] Rosie Gray: :D
[12:21] Sudane Erato: Lol Kyoko... we may as well enjoy ourselves :)
[12:22] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): no argument from me
[12:22] Rosie Gray: okay, so what was that you mentioned from Tan?
[12:22] Sudane Erato: approve the NFS covenant
[12:22] Sudane Erato: i so motion
[12:22] Lilith Ivory: Mr LRA wants us to approve the covenant as posted on the forum or our spreadsheet so we get this done and the RA can vote on it again
[12:23] Rosie Gray: hmmm... I think it's the RA that needs to approve it
[12:23] Sudane Erato: i so move
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: yes but Tan told me he needs our approval first
[12:23] Sudane Erato: Tan wants us to approve it first
[12:23] Rosie Gray: oh okay
[12:23] Rosie Gray: second the motion
[12:23] Rosie Gray: but one moment, we should have it here for posterity
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: shall we post a link to the forum here?
[12:23] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:23] Lilith Ivory: moment , finding it
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8797
[12:24] Rosie Gray: thanks Lilith
[12:24] Lilith Ivory: yw :)
[12:24] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): no everyone click
[12:25] Sudane Erato: i clicked :)
[12:25] Sudane Erato: looks good to me
[12:25] Rosie Gray: yes, it's what we talked about
[12:25] Rosie Gray: so, all in favour?
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: I am fine with this too
[12:25] Sudane Erato: aye
[12:25] Rosie Gray: aye
[12:25] Lilith Ivory: aye
[12:25] Rosie Gray: now it goes to the RA
[12:26] Rosie Gray strikes it off the LUC list
[12:26] Sudane Erato: Tan can be happy now :)
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: can you present it there when the RA meets next
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: ?
[12:26] Rosie Gray: yes I can
[12:26] Lilith Ivory: thank you :)
[12:26] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:26] Rosie Gray: but it also reminds me
[12:26] Rosie Gray: that we need to redo the CN covenant
[12:26] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:26] Rosie Gray: to reflect what we want to do there as well
[12:27] Sudane Erato: shouldn't we wait til we're done?
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: and we need to present some plans about the fishing village in CN to the RA so Sudane can get green light for starting to build
[12:27] Rosie Gray: and also, how are we doing with the presentation of the plans ?
[12:27] Sudane Erato: yes!
[12:27] Rosie Gray: yes and it needs to be posted to the forums for at least 2 weeks
[12:27] Sudane Erato: oh... i wrote them and presented them... din't I?
[12:27] Rosie Gray: so people can comment
[12:27] Sudane Erato: oh
[12:27] Lilith Ivory: not to the RA as far as I know
[12:27] Rosie Gray: you presented them to us
[12:28] Sudane Erato: I sent the link to all members of the LUC
[12:28] Lilith Ivory: let´s just do it as we did in LA
[12:28] Rosie Gray: they have to be presented to the citizenry, was my understanding
[12:28] Sudane Erato: no, not to them, cause i thought we need to pass it first
[12:28] Rosie Gray: not the RA
[12:28] Lilith Ivory tries to remember HOW they did it there
[12:28] Rosie Gray: lol
[12:28] Sudane Erato: I DO get confused :(
[12:28] Rosie Gray: okay let's look at that damned new law
[12:28] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:29] Rosie Gray: trying to remember which one it is again
[12:29] Sudane Erato: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wFm ... ZyUcA/edit
[12:29] Sudane Erato: my proposal
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: in my opinion most important is that no changes are done that affect direct neighbors directly
[12:29] Sudane Erato: i agree
[12:29] Sudane Erato: well... neighbors?
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: we might have to rewrite this law if we find out it slows us down too much
[12:29] Sudane Erato: or owners?
[12:29] Lilith Ivory: yes exactly Sudane, there are no neighbors
[12:30] Rosie Gray: I think it's a matter of finding it
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: I can give it a try
[12:30] Sudane Erato: well... what do it mean by "neighbors"?
[12:30] Sudane Erato: i.e.
[12:30] Lilith Ivory: the ones who own joining parcels
[12:30] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) is with Lilith on that
[12:30] Sudane Erato: the fishing village project is NEXT to occupied parcels
[12:30] Sudane Erato: but doesn't affect them
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: the ones of Gaius?
[12:31] Lilith Ivory nods
[12:31] Sudane Erato: the E parcels
[12:31] Rosie Gray: ah, it's the Civil Service Act
[12:31] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) owns Gaius' domus now and doesn't object
[12:31] Rosie Gray: D. Transparent Region Development Guidelines

Permanent changes to public land, outside of the seasonal tree and ground texture changes and official CDS temporary structures for events, have to be announced in the forums and allow a comment period of 2 weeks, to make sure the interests of neighboring parcel owners are taken into account. Public spaces have to be developed in accordance with policy and changes need to be subject to public comment and review.
[12:31] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:31] Lilith Ivory: you know this law was made because of me (freaking out) about an EM just removing rocks from my backyard
[12:31] Sudane Erato: :)
[12:32] Rosie Gray: it's not that bad really, we just have to remember to do it
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: yes
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[12:32] Sudane Erato: oh... but... guys
[12:32] Sudane Erato: the 2 week period of posting takes care of that
[12:32] Rosie Gray: yes, but it hasn't been posted
[12:32] Lilith Ivory: let´s just publish a plan about this project, have the RA approve it so we can go further
[12:32] Sudane Erato: if any neighbors object, they can have their say
[12:32] Rosie Gray: it has to be posted to the forums
[12:33] Sudane Erato: sure!
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: imo it has to be posted one week before the RA can vote on it anyway
[12:33] Rosie Gray: so you wrote out your plan, correct?
[12:33] Sudane Erato: but, don't we have to approve it first???
[12:33] Rosie Gray: yes we do
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: first we than the RA I guess
[12:33] Rosie Gray: and then you post it to the forum for 2 weeks
[12:33] Sudane Erato: ok... that's where i thought we're at
[12:33] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:33] Rosie Gray: I don't think the RA has to approve it
[12:33] Rosie Gray: the Chancellor does
[12:33] Sudane Erato: so I'll post it, once we approve it
[12:33] Lilith Ivory: I can have a look about the procedures of the redesign of Friedsee till next time
[12:33] Rosie Gray: the RA has to approve a change to the covenant though
[12:34] Rosie Gray: so, we really need to rewrite the CN covenant as well, and have that ready for the RA to approve
[12:34] Lilith Ivory: just give it to the RA so they can approve it or ask for changes
[12:34] Sudane Erato: before the modifications are done?
[12:34] Rosie Gray: yes we know it needs to be changed
[12:34] Rosie Gray: at the same time, yes?
[12:34] Sudane Erato: *shrug*
[12:35] Rosie Gray: I mean, we need the covenant to reflect what you are doing
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: we can give a raw covenant to the RA I think
[12:35] Sudane Erato: i would think that we do the various mod projects, and THEN re-write the covenant
[12:35] Lilith Ivory: just have them recognize something will have to change in this part
[12:35] Sudane Erato: yeah
[12:35] Rosie Gray: hmmm
[12:35] Rosie Gray: seems to me they should be concurrent
[12:36] Rosie Gray: I don't mind drafting it up
[12:36] Sudane Erato: well... the problem is...
[12:36] Sudane Erato: that a build project sometimes has its own life
[12:36] Sudane Erato: so
[12:36] Rosie Gray: hehe
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: that´s why I said "raw" ;-)
[12:36] Rosie Gray: yes but the covenant doesn't get that detailed
[12:36] Sudane Erato: unexpected things may come out of it, which the covenant should incorporate
[12:36] Rosie Gray: it's just to add the fishing village component
[12:36] Sudane Erato: ok, sure
[12:36] Lilith Ivory: the finished building project might not look exactly like the first plan too
[12:37] Rosie Gray: yes exactly
[12:37] Rosie Gray: you can't build it first, before building it!
[12:37] Rosie Gray: hehe
[12:37] Sudane Erato: like the way the densification project resulted in that whole bit about the border markers
[12:37] Lilith Ivory laughs
[12:37] Sudane Erato: I had no clear idea how that would work
[12:37] Rosie Gray nods
[12:37] Lilith Ivory: we have to be careful not to get trapped in our laws again lol
[12:37] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) erks
[12:37] Sudane Erato: yes :)
[12:37] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:37] Rosie Gray: but I think it can be open enough to include the concept
[12:38] Sudane Erato: ok
[12:38] Rosie Gray: the covenant should be broad enough for that, no?
[12:38] Sudane Erato: cept after all is complete you may want to add further refinements
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: the requirement to stay away from parcel borders will have to be changed
[12:38] Lilith Ivory: in this part
[12:38] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:39] Sudane Erato: in the new village, yes
[12:39] Rosie Gray brings up the CN covenant to look at
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: also that tree thingy
[12:39] Sudane Erato: so it becomes more like the E parcels rules
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: yes exactly
[12:39] Rosie Gray: and we change the Zone L
[12:39] Lilith Ivory: just with the inclusion that houses can´t be replaced. or?
[12:40] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:40] Rosie Gray: yes, and that they will be anchored onto public land?
[12:40] Sudane Erato: yes, i hope so
[12:40] Sudane Erato: which is Zone L?
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: do we have enough public proms left in CN?
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: prims
[12:40] Sudane Erato: well... CN was made a 30,000 prim sim
[12:40] Sudane Erato: so there should be
[12:40] Sudane Erato: but i didn't look
[12:40] Lilith Ivory: yes but we have a lot of public buildings there
[12:41] Rosie Gray: we do
[12:41] Lilith Ivory: we need to do some counting I guess
[12:41] Sudane Erato: i will do the counting
[12:41] Sudane Erato: because
[12:41] Rosie Gray: but these little buildings won't be as elaborate as the ones in NFS, I'm thinking?
[12:41] Sudane Erato: I have to do the parceling
[12:41] Sudane Erato: yes, i hope not
[12:41] Rosie Gray nods
[12:41] Ɛrϊи (erin.corpur) is offline.
[12:41] Sudane Erato: so I just make sure and leave enough public land when i parcel
[12:41] Sudane Erato: same as in NFS
[12:42] Rosie Gray: and make sure we have enough public prims too
[12:42] Sudane Erato: we designed some parcels as public
[12:42] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:42] Lilith Ivory: and make sure ... me coughs ... CN would be able to pay for itself
[12:42] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:42] Rosie Gray: hehe
[12:42] Sudane Erato: lol... definitely
[12:42] Sudane Erato: but
[12:43] Sudane Erato: if NFS can do it, CN has exactly the same math
[12:43] Sudane Erato: single prim
[12:43] Sudane Erato: and 30,0000 prims
[12:43] Sudane Erato: 30,000
[12:43] Rosie Gray nods
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: but NFS was designed like this from the beginning
[12:43] Lilith Ivory: while this is new addition in CN
[12:43] Sudane Erato: CN has no Schloss
[12:43] Rosie Gray: NFS also has a lot of public buildings
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: ok :)
[12:44] Rosie Gray: I have a question about my CN project too
[12:44] Sudane Erato: I think it will work out fine
[12:44] Rosie Gray: and the covenant
[12:44] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: I was just wanting to mention this so we don´t get surprised in a negative way
[12:44] Sudane Erato: i agree Lil
[12:44] Lilith Ivory: I trust you here Sudane :)
[12:44] Sudane Erato: yes, we need to approve both projects
[12:44] Sudane Erato: mine and Rosie's
[12:45] Rosie Gray: in the zone C and S, it says that no structure can be replaced or moved without prior consent
[12:45] Rosie Gray: something that hasn't quite been adhered to
[12:45] Sudane Erato: those are the in the walls parcels
[12:45] Lilith Ivory: yes
[12:45] Sudane Erato: "prior consent"?
[12:45] Sudane Erato: by who?
[12:46] Rosie Gray: by the executive
[12:46] Lilith Ivory: we should keep that part
[12:46] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[12:46] Rosie Gray: meaning the Chancellor
[12:46] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:46] Rosie Gray: which zone are the buildings on the forum a part of?
[12:46] Sudane Erato: the little ones are the Ss
[12:46] Sudane Erato: and the rest are Cs
[12:46] Rosie Gray: they are the stalls?
[12:46] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:46] Sudane Erato: Ss
[12:47] Rosie Gray: okay so that needs rewording
[12:47] Sudane Erato: ok
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: in the future I would like to see the covenant in CN like in NFS
[12:47] Rosie Gray: and I'm wondering if we can make them also anchored onto public land, since they are so small?
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: not allowing the replacement of houses at all
[12:47] Rosie Gray: yes that's where I'm going with it to
[12:47] Sudane Erato: i agree with both of you :)
[12:47] Lilith Ivory: and yes I agree on anchoring
[12:47] Rosie Gray: the 'cities' shouldn't allow that
[12:47] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:47] Sudane Erato: so we all agree
[12:48] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:48] Sudane Erato: on everything :)
[12:48] Rosie Gray: Kyoko what do you think on that?
[12:49] Rosie Gray: so what I'm thinking re the covenant change is, that we get it prepared and present to the RA after the proposal 2 week period has passed
[12:49] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) erks again
[12:49] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): on anchoring?
[12:49] Sudane Erato: sure... and incl all those provisions
[12:49] Rosie Gray: yes
[12:49] Sudane Erato: fine with me
[12:49] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): if the prims are there, go for it
[12:49] Sudane Erato: exactly
[12:49] Rosie Gray: it's so people can't just remove the buildings
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: yes plase
[12:50] Rosie Gray: and also gives them some extra prims, which is an incentive
[12:50] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:50] Rosie Gray: I don't intend to keep the little cafe that long... really did it just to improve the area
[12:50] Lilith Ivory: I am fine with all that makes CN more attractive :)
[12:50] Sudane Erato: and makes it MUCH easier to enforce the "change" provision
[12:50] Rosie Gray: yes!
[12:50] Rosie Gray: are there any other areas we should think about that?
[12:51] Rosie Gray: in CN, I mean
[12:51] Sudane Erato: well, everything else is rural
[12:51] Rosie Gray: well I mean inside the walls
[12:51] Sudane Erato: cept the walled city and the fishing village
[12:51] Sudane Erato: well, all the private parcels in the walls are Cs or Ss
[12:52] Rosie Gray nods
[12:52] Sudane Erato: there is no other
[12:52] Rosie Gray: okay so for now we make it the S's that are anchored
[12:52] Sudane Erato: not the Cs?
[12:52] Rosie Gray: well that's what I"m wondering
[12:52] Sudane Erato: i mean... as we change the empty ones
[12:52] Sudane Erato: like in NFS
[12:52] Rosie Gray: you've redone some of them, Sudane
[12:52] Rosie Gray: those bigger buildings in the back
[12:53] Sudane Erato: yes... 2 i think
[12:53] Sudane Erato: yes
[12:53] Lilith Ivory: I think we (Rosie and Sudane) can only do a certain amount of work at a time and for me the fishing village should have first priority
[12:53] Rosie Gray: they use up most of the prims I think, on those parcels
[12:53] Sudane Erato: Danton has at least one of them
[12:53] Sudane Erato: yes they do :(
[12:53] Rosie Gray: so anchoring them would make sense, otherwise nobody can actually use them
[12:53] Sudane Erato: well, he seems to use them (or it)
[12:54] Sudane Erato: but i agree
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: we can ancohor the small stalls and take care about the rest later
[12:54] Sudane Erato: he'd probably happily agree to having it anchored
[12:54] Rosie Gray: okay that's fair Lilith, but I was thinking about the covenant too
[12:54] Rosie Gray: however, maybe a closer look at the prim counts?
[12:54] Sudane Erato: yes, Lil, one by one, the way we're doing in NFS
[12:54] Lilith Ivory: in NFS we do the anchoring step by step too
[12:54] Rosie Gray sighs and acknowledges nothing is easy
[12:54] Sudane Erato: I'll look at the prims
[12:55] Sudane Erato: in NFS we still have 7000
[12:55] Sudane Erato: thats a LOT
[12:55] Rosie Gray: okay
[12:55] Rosie Gray: and I absolutely take your point about not trying to do it all at once, Lilith!
[12:55] Lilith Ivory smiles
[12:55] Sudane Erato: totally agree!
[12:56] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): Just tell me when I'm supposed to wave a wand
[12:56] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[12:56] Lilith Ivory laughs
[12:56] Sudane Erato: hehe
[12:56] Rosie Gray: if you have thoughts about this, do tell!
[12:56] Lilith Ivory: (I will tell you when to nod)
[12:56] Sudane Erato: :)
[12:57] Rosie Gray: what about those prim parcels, do we leave them as is?
[12:57] Sudane Erato: for the moment, i think we have to... most are occupied
[12:58] Sudane Erato: they're not essential for the fishing village concept
[12:58] Rosie Gray: okay
[12:58] Sudane Erato: shouldn't we go ahead
[12:58] Sudane Erato: and
[12:58] Sudane Erato: just approve the two projects here
[12:58] Sudane Erato: and then
[12:58] Sudane Erato: we can post them and let the process continue?
[12:58] Rosie Gray: yes I think we should
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree
[12:59] Sudane Erato: Rosie, do you have any description of yours?
[12:59] Rosie Gray: let me find what I have
[12:59] Sudane Erato: great
[12:59] Lilith Ivory: the RA will meet at the 7th as far as I know so if we are fast they can vote on it
[13:00] Sudane Erato: no... it needs 2 weeks in the forum first, no?
[13:00] Rosie Gray: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iPU ... sp=sharing
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: for the RA to vote one week is fine
[13:00] Lilith Ivory: than we wait another week
[13:00] Rosie Gray: the RA votes on the Covenant
[13:00] Sudane Erato: Rosie, perfect
[13:00] Sudane Erato: God, Lil, I'm sure glad we have a former Dean here to know the rules :)
[13:01] Rosie Gray: but I am not sure the RA has to approve the concepts, do they?
[13:01] Lilith Ivory laughs
[13:01] Rosie Gray looks at Lilith
[13:01] Sudane Erato: me/ looks at Lil
[13:01] Lilith Ivory is not telling anyone she is following her own logic at the moment
[13:01] Sudane Erato: haha
[13:01] Rosie Gray: hehe
[13:01] Rosie Gray: also I have not said anything about the 'stalls' in this doc
[13:01] Rosie Gray: so I'll add that
[13:01] Sudane Erato: ok
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: I think that´s how we did the redesign of LA and FS
[13:02] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: the RA had to approve
[13:02] Rosie Gray: okay, well it's a fairly big change, so that makes sense
[13:02] Sudane Erato: that seems reasonable
[13:02] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:02] Lilith Ivory: yes I think so too
[13:02] Lilith Ivory still shudders about the original LUC plan about FS
[13:02] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:03] Rosie Gray: just don't want the Chancellor to have to get RA approval for putting down some rocks
[13:03] Rosie Gray grins
[13:03] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:03] Sudane Erato: or taking some away :)
[13:03] Rosie Gray: yes :D
[13:03] Lilith Ivory: I agree but the fishing village is more than just a few rocks
[13:03] Rosie Gray: and totally agree with you Lilith about the original LUC plans for FS
[13:03] Sudane Erato: both projects are more than a few rocks
[13:04] Rosie Gray: yes
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: exactly
[13:04] Lilith Ivory: can´t be too many involved in decisions like this I think
[13:04] Sudane Erato: so Chancellor and RA approval is fine
[13:04] Sudane Erato: agreed
[13:04] Rosie Gray nods
[13:04] Sudane Erato: so
[13:04] Rosie Gray: right so I will update this doc and then post to the forums for comment
[13:05] Sudane Erato: and i will do the same
[13:05] Sudane Erato: but
[13:05] Rosie Gray: Sudane how about yours?
[13:05] Sudane Erato: can we move to approve the two proposals?
[13:05] Sudane Erato: yes, I will post mine to the forums
[13:05] Rosie Gray: yes
[13:05] Rosie Gray: let's do them seperately
[13:05] Sudane Erato: good
[13:05] Lilith Ivory: yes and can I have a link to where it is written please
[13:06] Rosie Gray: yes please Sudane?
[13:06] Sudane Erato: Fishing Village
[13:06] Sudane Erato: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wFm ... ZyUcA/edit
[13:06] Rosie Gray: thank you
[13:06] Sudane Erato: *spelling
[13:06] Rosie Gray: you should add about anchoring the buildings too, no?
[13:06] Lilith Ivory: reading ...
[13:07] Sudane Erato: oh... ok, I;ll do that
[13:07] Sudane Erato: before i post it
[13:07] Rosie Gray nods
[13:07] Sudane Erato: actually, the proposal was trying only to describe what would be created
[13:07] Sudane Erato: and
[13:08] Sudane Erato: not so much the rules of use
[13:08] Sudane Erato: but we can add that
[13:08] Sudane Erato: I can
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: I like it
[13:08] Rosie Gray: I move that we accept Sudane's proposal for the Fishing Village, including anchoring the buildings, as described in the posted link.
[13:08] Rosie Gray: do we have a second?
[13:08] Lilith Ivory: I second that
[13:08] Rosie Gray: vote please
[13:08] Rosie Gray: aye
[13:09] Sudane Erato: aye
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:09] Rosie Gray: motion passed
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: phew :)
[13:09] Rosie Gray: :D
[13:09] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:09] Sudane Erato: one more
[13:09] Rosie Gray: can someone else make that motion?
[13:09] Lilith Ivory: can we publish this on the forum so the RA can vote on it next time?
[13:10] Sudane Erato: i move that we accept Rosie's proposal for the modifications to the City in CN
[13:10] Sudane Erato: as described in the proposal
[13:10] Sudane Erato: in the posted link
[13:10] Sudane Erato: a minute or so ago :)
[13:10] Lilith Ivory: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iPU ... YS7tg/edit
[13:10] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:10] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: It´s the right one I hope lol
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: I second
[13:11] Rosie Gray: vote please
[13:11] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): btw the only parcel really affected by the fishing village according the the drawing is the one I now own
[13:11] Lilith Ivory: aye
[13:11] Sudane Erato: aye
[13:11] Rosie Gray: aye
[13:11] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): and I have no complaints
[13:11] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:11] Rosie Gray: motion passed
[13:11] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): about this LOL
[13:11] Sudane Erato: I'm glad Kyoko :)
[13:11] Sudane Erato: will be interesting :)
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: I am looking forward to see what you are doing
[13:12] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): me tooooo
[13:12] Sudane Erato: me too! :)
[13:12] Rosie Gray: hehe
[13:12] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) is particularly looking forward to watching the little houses get grabbed up
[13:12] Sudane Erato: i have my little boat there... meditating :)
[13:12] Lilith Ivory: lol yes
[13:12] Rosie Gray: yes let's hope so
[13:12] Sudane Erato: yes... hope so :)
[13:12] Rosie Gray: I'm sure it will make it much more attractive
[13:13] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): next meeting I'll update you on marketing LOL
[13:13] Rosie Gray: :D
[13:13] Sudane Erato: great!!!
[13:13] Lilith Ivory: yes! the parcels we had there before were just too expensive for me
[13:13] Rosie Gray: now what about the river and seaview updates that Delia was going to do?
[13:13] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): (somebody remind me)
[13:13] Rosie Gray: same with me
[13:13] Sudane Erato: I haven't seen Delia
[13:13] Rosie Gray: that also needs to be posted as a proposal to the forum, which we talked about last time
[13:13] Sudane Erato: I presume that she was going to do that sample section?
[13:14] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:14] Rosie Gray: I don't think she did the proposal
[13:14] Rosie Gray: oh don't know
[13:14] Rosie Gray: did she do the sample?
[13:14] Sudane Erato: don't know
[13:14] Sudane Erato: no
[13:14] Rosie Gray zooms with camera but can't tell
[13:14] Sudane Erato: I just camed over to look
[13:15] Rosie Gray: ah, I don't see anything either
[13:15] Rosie Gray: so she needs to do both of those things
[13:15] Rosie Gray: the sample, and the proposal
[13:15] Sudane Erato: i'll check in with her about it
[13:15] Rosie Gray: okay
[13:15] Sudane Erato: well... i could write the proposal
[13:15] Sudane Erato: because
[13:16] Sudane Erato: it was originally part of the CN re-do
[13:16] Sudane Erato: part of the fishing village
[13:16] Rosie Gray: right, but now it includes LA
[13:16] Sudane Erato: true
[13:16] Rosie Gray: and all of the water areas in both sims
[13:16] Sudane Erato: but i think Delia is very busy in rl
[13:17] Rosie Gray: well it's not necessary right at this minute anyway
[13:17] Rosie Gray: we can wait
[13:17] Sudane Erato: yeah... best to ask now just about the sample
[13:17] Rosie Gray: yes I agree
[13:17] Sudane Erato: then figure out how to propose it
[13:18] Rosie Gray: I hope she doesn't want to include any animals
[13:18] Rosie Gray: birds and deer and such
[13:18] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:18] Rosie Gray: I think it should be just the rocks and plants and things
[13:18] Rosie Gray: because other people like to also share their things, and birds and animals are good ones for that
[13:18] Sudane Erato: ahhh
[13:19] Rosie Gray: not permanent, if you see what I mean
[13:19] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:19] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:19] Sudane Erato: and the moving animals are laggy
[13:19] Rosie Gray: we need to share the pleasure of that sort of thing
[13:19] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): I don't think delia's project is permanent,
[13:19] Rosie Gray: yeah they can be
[13:19] Sudane Erato: i have one or 2 moving goats... and phew!
[13:19] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): It could be washed away in a tsunami
[13:19] Rosie Gray: yeah, lol
[13:19] Rosie Gray: hahah, Kyoko
[13:19] Sudane Erato: haha... i hope not!
[13:20] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): all I mean is sandbars shift
[13:20] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:20] Rosie Gray: :D
[13:20] Sudane Erato: mine in New England have been remarkably stable!
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: well if I would own a parcel at the rhemus I would like to get asked about river banks on my land
[13:21] Rosie Gray: birds migrate, and animals move around in herds ;)
[13:21] Lilith Ivory: even when anchored on public land
[13:21] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): conceptually sandbars are not permanent
[13:21] Rosie Gray: they sort of are though, Kyoko
[13:21] Sudane Erato: i agree Lil, but few people own parcels on the river :(
[13:21] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) nods at Lilith
[13:21] Sudane Erato: in CN anyway
[13:22] Rosie Gray: yes I agree too, but if they are in place before you purchase, and linked off your land, then that's just the way it is when you buy
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: yes I agree
[13:22] Lilith Ivory: just talking in general :)
[13:23] Rosie Gray: right
[13:23] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:23] Rosie Gray: because of course that is why we have that new law ㋡
[13:23] Sudane Erato: hehe
[13:23] Rosie Gray grins
[13:23] Rosie Gray thinks about any other Agenda items
[13:24] Sudane Erato: i think we've dealt with enough
[13:24] Rosie Gray: have we got anything else that I'm forgetting?
[13:24] Sudane Erato: probably lots of things :)
[13:24] Rosie Gray: :D
[13:24] Rosie Gray: next time I'll make an Agenda
[13:24] Sudane Erato: what date is springtime?
[13:24] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:25] Rosie Gray: oh good question for Kyoko
[13:25] Sudane Erato: in New England it is always on valentines day
[13:25] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:25] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): oh let the transcript note that Sudane solved the LA/CN deep snow problem
[13:25] Sudane Erato: oh
[13:25] Sudane Erato: the texture change
[13:25] Sudane Erato: ok... good :)
[13:26] Rosie Gray: right
[13:26] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) applauds
[13:27] Rosie Gray: so... springtime, Madame Chancellor?
[13:27] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): not a clue
[13:27] Rosie Gray: it's up to you
[13:27] Sudane Erato: lol :)
[13:27] Rosie Gray: lol
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: valentines day sounds good
[13:27] Sudane Erato: hehe
[13:27] Rosie Gray: it does
[13:27] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): well Feb 14 sounds good
[13:27] Rosie Gray: everyone gets sick of the snow by the end of Jan
[13:27] Lilith Ivory: hehe yes
[13:27] Sudane Erato: yep
[13:27] Rosie Gray: never mind that in RL it goes on for months
[13:27] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): but only if ppl start bellyaching about winter
[13:27] Sudane Erato: haha
[13:27] Sudane Erato: they do :)
[13:28] Rosie Gray: okay so you can tell us
[13:28] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): and no rousing the citizens LOL
[13:28] Sudane Erato: hehe
[13:28] Rosie Gray: ah I haven't even had a skate yet, so not ready for spring yet myself ;)
[13:28] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): skatingh party coming up in January
[13:28] Lilith Ivory: so far I am fine with snow too - and I am one of the first who gets sick of winter
[13:28] Sudane Erato: great! :)
[13:29] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): go try the snowmobiles in Friedsee
[13:29] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): they are a true giggle
[13:29] Sudane Erato: yeah... i get sick of all these clothes
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[13:29] Rosie Gray: hehe
[13:29] Sudane Erato: oh... yes
[13:29] Sudane Erato: i must do that :)
[13:29] Rosie Gray: Sudane is a nudist at heart
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: did you try Lyubovs sauna yet?
[13:29] Sudane Erato: hehe
[13:29] Sudane Erato: i am :)
[13:29] Rosie Gray: ;)
[13:29] Sudane Erato: no
[13:29] Sudane Erato: I should :)
[13:29] Lilith Ivory: you should
[13:29] Rosie Gray: I should too
[13:30] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): I should take you to the onsen in Kyoto sim
[13:30] Sudane Erato: onsen?
[13:30] Rosie Gray: we could have a field trip
[13:31] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): heated public bath, naturally heated
[13:31] Sudane Erato: oh my!
[13:31] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): best are just hot little ponds
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: oh nice
[13:31] Sudane Erato: well, we DO have the Thermae
[13:31] Lilith Ivory: I have been at one in Egypt once
[13:31] Rosie Gray: we do
[13:31] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): yes we do
[13:31] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): cool
[13:31] Sudane Erato: we should get better anims for that
[13:31] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): never had the nerve in Budapest
[13:32] Rosie Gray: for the Thermae?
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: yes!
[13:32] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:32] Rosie Gray: what sort of anims are you thinking?
[13:32] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane) giggles
[13:32] Sudane Erato: for the Thermaew... soaking, bathing
[13:32] Lilith Ivory: I placed some of my pillows there already but it could be a lot better
[13:32] Rosie Gray: for in the water?
[13:32] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:32] Rosie Gray: right
[13:32] Sudane Erato: such good things nowadays
[13:32] Rosie Gray: I think that Mizou had plans for more things like that, but then Rl took over
[13:33] Sudane Erato: just takes time to find them
[13:33] Rosie Gray: right
[13:33] Sudane Erato: ahhh... yes
[13:33] Rosie Gray: and not have them just in ugly poseballs too
[13:33] Sudane Erato: yeah, exactly
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: imo it wasn´t a good idea to link the animations to the rest
[13:33] Rosie Gray: I do think thaT THE thermae looks nicer now that it is a bit more furnished
[13:33] Lilith Ivory: makes it hard to sit at a spot you like to sit
[13:33] Rosie Gray: after the party there
[13:33] Sudane Erato: oh, agreed
[13:33] Rosie Gray: yes I totally agree with that Lilith
[13:34] Rosie Gray: you think you're sitting in a spot but then you zoom across the room
[13:34] Sudane Erato: oh!
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: or into the next room
[13:34] Rosie Gray: yes
[13:34] Sudane Erato: jeez
[13:34] Rosie Gray: with the ones Mizou put into the build
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:34] Drewski Northman is offline.
[13:34] Sudane Erato: thats too bad :(
[13:34] Lilith Ivory: that´s why I placed my pillows there a long time ago
[13:34] Rosie Gray: yes that was a good idea
[13:35] Rosie Gray: but it's all another project :D
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: I would be willing to find good animations but atm I am not in the position to donate them to CDS
[13:35] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:35] Rosie Gray: unless Lilith wants to take that on?
[13:35] Sudane Erato: Lil... you find the anims
[13:35] Sudane Erato: and send me the market link
[13:35] Rosie Gray wonders if the Chancellor has money in the coffers for this kind of thing
[13:35] Sudane Erato: and i'll get them
[13:35] Lilith Ivory: ok :)
[13:35] Sudane Erato: well... i can donate them
[13:36] Rosie Gray: ah, you'll donate them, nice Sudane
[13:36] Lilith Ivory has spend 5k LS out of her pocket for halloween deco lol
[13:36] Rosie Gray: lol
[13:36] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:36] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): we have 300 l per month
[13:36] Rosie Gray nods
[13:36] Sudane Erato: I do have the huge benefit of revenues from a whole other estate
[13:36] Rosie Gray: you need some creative bookkeeping
[13:36] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): which I am storing up for the best suggestion I get
[13:36] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:36] Rosie Gray: ah, true
[13:37] Rosie Gray: thank you for that, Sudane ㋡
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: 300L$?
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: yes thank you Sudane
[13:37] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): and I will probably have a small surplus due to a couple things being less expensive than they were thought to be
[13:37] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): but first I need to banish some more yellow
[13:37] Sudane Erato: yeah... best to support Kyoko as well as we can to stay with the budget
[13:37] Sudane Erato: yes
[13:37] Sudane Erato: exactly
[13:37] Rosie Gray: of course
[13:37] Lilith Ivory: yes
[13:38] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): yes $L300 per month
[13:38] Sudane Erato: :)
[13:38] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): time 6...
[13:38] Sudane Erato: a tight budget :)
[13:38] Rosie Gray: yup
[13:38] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): yep
[13:38] Lilith Ivory: I agree
[13:38] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): we;ll work it out
[13:38] Sudane Erato: well... on that note, i must go
[13:38] Rosie Gray: that's why we all end up donating stuff
[13:38] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): go help me hustle for more citizens LOL
[13:39] Sudane Erato: Lil... send me links, and I'll buy them for Archie... gift them
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: ok I will
[13:39] Lilith Ivory: might need some time to find something really good
[13:39] Sudane Erato: yes... more citizens!
[13:39] Rosie Gray: yes indeed
[13:39] Sudane Erato: no rush :)
[13:39] Lilith Ivory smiles
[13:39] Rosie Gray: to enjoy the many benefits of being a CDS citizen!
[13:39] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): I can contribute also
[13:39] Sudane Erato: great :)
[13:39] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): just tell me what you find and we'll take it from there
[13:40] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): we have snowmobiles!!!
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: hehehe
[13:40] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): plenty of bars and caffes
[13:40] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): great events
[13:40] Sudane Erato: so i must go
[13:40] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): an a government that functions
[13:40] Lilith Ivory: see you Sudane
[13:40] 恭子 Kyoko (samara.barzane): bye Sudane
[13:40] Sudane Erato: ty all!! :)
[13:40] Rosie Gray: bye Sudane!
[13:40] Sudane Erato: bye :)
[13:40] Rosie Gray: and with that, we can call the meeting adjourned :)
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."
Terry Pratchett
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