The first meeting of the Communications Commission took place at 10 am SLT on Friday, June 18. Attending were Kaseido Quandry (chair), Rosie Gray, Callipygian Christensen, Trebor Warcliffe, Delia Lake, Rose Springvale, CLEOPATRA Xigala, and Arria Perrault, in order of arrival.
[2010/06/18 10:14] Kaseido Quandry: ok, I think we've got all we're going to get, so shall we get started?
[2010/06/18 10:14] Trebor Warcliffe: Without knowing the specifics I cannot give my opinion.
[2010/06/18 10:14] Rosie Gray: yes 
[2010/06/18 10:15] Trebor Warcliffe: Was hoping for more participants but I say yes also.
[2010/06/18 10:15] Kaseido Quandry: ok.... I've been asked to chair a communications commission for the CDS, with the job of coming up with a coherent plan for things we can do to promote the community
[2010/06/18 10:15] Kaseido Quandry: I've got a draft plan, but I'd love to hear wide open ideas
[2010/06/18 10:16] Kaseido Quandry: and it's great we've got a mix of older and newer people
[2010/06/18 10:16] Trebor Warcliffe: "smiles"
[2010/06/18 10:16] Rosie Gray: may we see the draft?
[2010/06/18 10:16] Kaseido Quandry: thre are two more meetings shceduled for the next week, and then I'm supposed to present a report on what we come up with to the RA a week from Saturday
[2010/06/18 10:16] Kaseido Quandry: sure - hang on for a note card
[2010/06/18 10:16] Delia Lake is Online
[2010/06/18 10:16] Trebor Warcliffe accepted your inventory offer.
[2010/06/18 10:17] Trebor Warcliffe: I read this earlier Kaseido and all I can say is WOW, good job.
[2010/06/18 10:18] Kaseido Quandry: wow, thanks!
[2010/06/18 10:18] Rosie Gray: hello Delia
[2010/06/18 10:18] Trebor Warcliffe: A question regarding Facebook.
[2010/06/18 10:18] Kaseido Quandry: sure
[2010/06/18 10:18] Rose Springvale: hi all
[2010/06/18 10:19] Rosie Gray: hi Rose
[2010/06/18 10:19] Trebor Warcliffe: As members of the CDS are youe Facebook accounts set up as your RL persona or your CDS persona?
[2010/06/18 10:19] Rosie Gray: good question!
[2010/06/18 10:19] Nala Kamala is Online
[2010/06/18 10:19] Kaseido Quandry: most people use their CDS persona - I'm maybe the only one who doesn't
[2010/06/18 10:19] Kaseido Quandry: no problem - we're just getting started
[2010/06/18 10:20] Trebor Warcliffe: I will have to explore the CDS group on Faceboolk to get a feel.
[2010/06/18 10:20] Delia Lake: i use my sl avie name in facebook, simply because i came originally to facebook through friends in sl
[2010/06/18 10:20] Rose Springvale: i have two accounts... for now
[2010/06/18 10:20] Trebor Warcliffe: That's what I'm thinking about
[2010/06/18 10:20] Nala Kamala is Offline
[2010/06/18 10:20] Kaseido Quandry: as I'm a grad student doing research here
[2010/06/18 10:20] Trebor Warcliffe: I have a RL account I've had for over a year.
[2010/06/18 10:21] Rosie Gray: I agree it's too much work
[2010/06/18 10:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Don't know if I necissarily want to mix teh two.
[2010/06/18 10:21] Rosie Gray: and I cannot integrate SL with my RL account
[2010/06/18 10:21] Rosie Gray: exactly
[2010/06/18 10:21] Trebor Warcliffe: Nice to get input.
[2010/06/18 10:21] Rose Springvale: Do we have access to the CDS account Kas?
[2010/06/18 10:21] Delia Lake: the downside is that my 2 of my rl sisters think it is a joke and will not connect with me on fb
[2010/06/18 10:21] Rose Springvale: smiles
[2010/06/18 10:21] Kaseido Quandry: Rose, I have access to nothing - I can't even post fan photos
[2010/06/18 10:22] Kaseido Quandry: lol, Delia!
[2010/06/18 10:22] Rose Springvale: interesting. why is that?
[2010/06/18 10:22] Kaseido Quandry: it *might* have come from a change in the FB privacy settings, but I haven't been able to fix it
[2010/06/18 10:23] Trebor Warcliffe: While exploring the sims I was impressed at the whole lay of the land so to speak. I did find something frustrating that we may be able to work on to help people who want to explore the communtiy.
[2010/06/18 10:23] Delia Lake: they don' t understand why i wouldn't switch to my rl name. again, too much work and would confuse people who know me this way for 4 yrs
[2010/06/18 10:23] Kaseido Quandry: oh, what, Trebor?
[2010/06/18 10:23] Delia Lake: same person, same interests, pseudonym
[2010/06/18 10:24] Trebor Warcliffe: Somethign like a guidebook or a You are Here display?
[2010/06/18 10:24] Rose Springvale: smiles
[2010/06/18 10:24] Delia Lake: good idea Trebor
[2010/06/18 10:24] Kaseido Quandry: that is!
[2010/06/18 10:24] Arria Perreault is Online
[2010/06/18 10:24] Rose Springvale: Trebor we've been working on versions of that for three years
[2010/06/18 10:24] Rosie Gray: especially if you can't tp directly
[2010/06/18 10:24] Rosie Gray: 3 years!
[2010/06/18 10:24] Rosie Gray: egads
[2010/06/18 10:24] Rose Springvale: the latest iteration is the Info Boards you see in the sims
[2010/06/18 10:24] Trebor Warcliffe: For example I walked right through the Moscue and didnt realize the place i was in.
[2010/06/18 10:24] Kaseido Quandry: Rosie, I agree - the central tp points are limiting
[2010/06/18 10:25] Delia Lake: technology is better today than it was 3 yrs ago
[2010/06/18 10:25] Trebor Warcliffe: I know on a personal note I flew around the AM and Monestery and incorporated a spreadsheet of who owns the parcels.
[2010/06/18 10:25] Kaseido Quandry: hi Arria
[2010/06/18 10:25] Delia Lake: hi Arria
[2010/06/18 10:26] Rose Springvale: hi Arria
[2010/06/18 10:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Looking at the other Sims though looks a little overwhelming.
[2010/06/18 10:26] Arria Perreault: Hi all
[2010/06/18 10:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Hi Arria
[2010/06/18 10:26] Rose Springvale: i think i can help you with that ... from the CDS sims anyway
[2010/06/18 10:26] Rose Springvale: there is a web page with maps of all the parcels trebor
[2010/06/18 10:26] Trebor Warcliffe: I do believe I stumbled upon a map on a wall in one of the AA areas.
[2010/06/18 10:26] Rose Springvale: yes, in the info center here
[2010/06/18 10:26] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes the Parcel Master List isnt it?
[2010/06/18 10:26] Rose Springvale: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... 5SoA3QNDOg
[2010/06/18 10:27] Rose Springvale: yes but the AA sims have never been added
[2010/06/18 10:27] Kaseido Quandry: and with shared media tools, we can bring a lot of these things inworld
[2010/06/18 10:27] Arria Perreault: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... 5SoA3QNDOg
[2010/06/18 10:27] Trebor Warcliffe: Is the AA info available where one could turn it into a spreadsheet like the CDS one
[2010/06/18 10:27] Rose Springvale: mentioned?
[2010/06/18 10:27] GoSpeed Racer is Offline
[2010/06/18 10:27] Arria Perreault: If I may ...
[2010/06/18 10:27] Rose Springvale: yes, just needs someone to take the time
[2010/06/18 10:28] Arria Perreault: in the past, we had a great tool
[2010/06/18 10:28] Trebor Warcliffe: I'd be happy to work on the Excel part.
[2010/06/18 10:28] Arria Perreault: a list of parcels with the owner
[2010/06/18 10:28] Trebor Warcliffe: Not sure hwo to do the maps though
[2010/06/18 10:28] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Arria
[2010/06/18 10:28] Arria Perreault: Sudane is updating the excel sheet
[2010/06/18 10:28] Arria Perreault: Sudane is the treasurer
[2010/06/18 10:29] Trebor Warcliffe: Please let Sudane knwo if he needs any assistance with that I'd be glad to help out when I can
[2010/06/18 10:29] Kaseido Quandry: well, the more the better - one of the biggest issues we have is, doing these jobs right takes a lot of time and talent
[2010/06/18 10:29] Rosie Gray gave you CDS Communications Proposal*.
[2010/06/18 10:29] Rose Springvale: wow, i never saw that
[2010/06/18 10:29] Trebor Warcliffe: Did I lose my last post?
[2010/06/18 10:29] Rose Springvale: sudane is a girl trebor
[2010/06/18 10:29] Arria Perreault: I don't know why
[2010/06/18 10:30] Claude Desmoulins is Online
[2010/06/18 10:30] Trebor Warcliffe: Please let Sudane know I'd be happy to help her with it.
[2010/06/18 10:30] Callipygian Christensen accepted your inventory offer.
[2010/06/18 10:30] Delia Lake: might that have happened when we changed the portal location?
[2010/06/18 10:30] Arria Perreault: no
[2010/06/18 10:31] Delia Lake: i remember it also, Arria
[2010/06/18 10:31] Rose Springvale: we changed the nfs web pages before that, maybe then
[2010/06/18 10:31] Rose Springvale: "we"... i had nothing to do with it!
[2010/06/18 10:31] Rose Springvale: but we used to have pages for CN and NFS that had much more information
[2010/06/18 10:31] Rosie Gray: if I may suggest
[2010/06/18 10:31] Rose Springvale: lol
[2010/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: too much information just on websites is not all that useful to visitors
[2010/06/18 10:32] Kaseido Quandry: Rosie, go on
[2010/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: well, people who come here need to have information as part of the environment
[2010/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: road signs
[2010/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: etc.
[2010/06/18 10:32] Kaseido Quandry: yes!
[2010/06/18 10:32] Rosie Gray: all inworld
[2010/06/18 10:32] Rose Springvale: That was the idea of Brians kiosks
[2010/06/18 10:33] Rosie Gray: it's useless to send people to places where they need to read huge tracts of information
[2010/06/18 10:33] Arria Perreault: I have also something to say about the information we need
[2010/06/18 10:33] Kaseido Quandry: yes, Rosie - in context, in time.
[2010/06/18 10:33] Rosie Gray: I think it should be integrated into the environment
[2010/06/18 10:33] Arria Perreault: I have read the conept of Kas
[2010/06/18 10:33] Rose Springvale: i agree rosie
[2010/06/18 10:33] Trebor Warcliffe: I think we need to make it easier for them to explore the Sims.
[2010/06/18 10:33] Arria Perreault: concept*
[2010/06/18 10:33] Trebor Warcliffe: I've only been in SL a month.
[2010/06/18 10:33] Callipygian Christensen is back and catching up
[2010/06/18 10:34] Kaseido Quandry: wb Calli
[2010/06/18 10:34] Trebor Warcliffe: I spent over two weeks exploring the CDS Sims.
[2010/06/18 10:34] Arria Perreault: these signs are an old story. I think I was once in charge to think about as Guild member
[2010/06/18 10:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Not really knowing the purposes of all the different buildings I was seeing
[2010/06/18 10:35] Rose Springvale: Trebor, did you find the info points in Al Andalus?
[2010/06/18 10:35] Arria Perreault: maybe we have to make some distinctions between diffrent type of informations
[2010/06/18 10:35] Rosie Gray: well yes a few thoughts
[2010/06/18 10:35] Trebor Warcliffe: Info hubs?
[2010/06/18 10:35] Rosie Gray: road signs, info hubs
[2010/06/18 10:35] Kaseido Quandry nods
[2010/06/18 10:35] CLEOPATRA Xigalia recalls a guided tour bill passed a long long time ago that would allow people to travel around sl and give them information at the same time, even let them fill out info cards.
[2010/06/18 10:35] Arria Perreault: Kas, may I?
[2010/06/18 10:35] Trebor Warcliffe: I did find some buildings with notecrads
[2010/06/18 10:35] Rose Springvale: and the guided tour
[2010/06/18 10:35] Rose Springvale: cleo, implemented
[2010/06/18 10:35] Kaseido Quandry: may you what, Arria? I'm sorry -
[2010/06/18 10:36] Arria Perreault: yes, it exists
[2010/06/18 10:36] Arria Perreault: I would like to explain something
[2010/06/18 10:36] Trebor Warcliffe: The guided tour in AA was fun adn informative
[2010/06/18 10:36] Rose Springvale: have you taken the one in CDS ?
[2010/06/18 10:36] Kaseido Quandry: let's let folks talk for now, Arria
[2010/06/18 10:36] Arria Perreault: I just need more than one sentence
[2010/06/18 10:36] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no i never saw one
[2010/06/18 10:36] Rose Springvale: hindered by the central tp
[2010/06/18 10:36] Arria Perreault: I belong to the folk 
[2010/06/18 10:36] Rosie Gray: I've not taken it
[2010/06/18 10:36] Trebor Warcliffe: Just learned about the school from Tor the other night
[2010/06/18 10:36] Rose Springvale: its fun too you get to ride an owl
[2010/06/18 10:36] Kaseido Quandry: I think we have plenty of opportunities to talk - this is one to listen
[2010/06/18 10:37] Arria Perreault: this discussion is not structured
[2010/06/18 10:37] Arria Perreault: are you saying I cannot speak?
[2010/06/18 10:37] Kaseido Quandry: I'd love to see the owl promoted more, and possibly expanded
[2010/06/18 10:37] Rose Springvale: just type Arria!
[2010/06/18 10:37] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: me too kas
[2010/06/18 10:37] Trebor Warcliffe: I'd love to hear what you have to say Arria
[2010/06/18 10:37] Arria Perreault: thank you
[2010/06/18 10:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol
[2010/06/18 10:38] Arria Perreault: Trebor said he would listen to me
[2010/06/18 10:38] Rosie Gray: well just say what you want to say Arria
[2010/06/18 10:38] Kaseido Quandry: spit it out, now that you've shut everyone else up, Arria
[2010/06/18 10:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: kas you are inappropriate
[2010/06/18 10:38] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: to me even
[2010/06/18 10:38] Arria Perreault: I think there are different types of informations in CDS
[2010/06/18 10:39] Arria Perreault: what Kas has described in her concept published on the forum corresponds to one of these types
[2010/06/18 10:39] Arria Perreault: as she said: information for the community
[2010/06/18 10:39] sagan Martian is Offline
[2010/06/18 10:39] Arria Perreault: it's important too
[2010/06/18 10:40] Arria Perreault: you have also mentionned the geographical information
[2010/06/18 10:40] Arria Perreault: and I would like to mention what is very important for our community
[2010/06/18 10:40] Arria Perreault: the public information
[2010/06/18 10:40] Arria Perreault: liste of citizen
[2010/06/18 10:40] Rosie Gray: wasn't that just what we were talking about?
[2010/06/18 10:40] Arria Perreault: list of parcels
[2010/06/18 10:40] Rosie Gray: public information
[2010/06/18 10:40] Rosie Gray: and how to access it?
[2010/06/18 10:41] Arria Perreault: the public information is important to have a transparency
[2010/06/18 10:41] Arria Perreault: and it is the job of the PIO
[2010/06/18 10:41] Arria Perreault: or of the Exec
[2010/06/18 10:41] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes but they cant do it alone.
[2010/06/18 10:41] Rosie Gray: I thought we were here to brainstorm
[2010/06/18 10:42] Arria Perreault: it was my point
[2010/06/18 10:42] Kaseido Quandry: Rosie, we are, and I apologize for letting the discussion be shut down
[2010/06/18 10:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i oppose Kas being such a bitch to arria
[2010/06/18 10:42] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thats not a polite way to have a meeting.
[2010/06/18 10:42] Trebor Warcliffe: I apologize for goign off topic a little bit to
[2010/06/18 10:42] Rose Springvale: and has not been done lately
[2010/06/18 10:42] Rosie Gray: hmmmm....
[2010/06/18 10:43] Rosie Gray: what is PIO?
[2010/06/18 10:43] Rose Springvale: well, cleo, no PIO was ppointed
[2010/06/18 10:43] Rosie Gray: can we not use acronyms?
[2010/06/18 10:43] Arria Perreault: I don't want me mix the public information and the communication about events
[2010/06/18 10:43] Trebor Warcliffe: Public information officer
[2010/06/18 10:43] Rose Springvale: sorry rosie
[2010/06/18 10:43] Callipygian Christensen: I think it's good, (and Kas's outline recognizes that -yay) to keep in mind that people take in this world in a number of ways - many are not interested in a link to a website because their inworld experience is what matters to them...same for all of the social medias..so anactive inworld program is equally important
[2010/06/18 10:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: well kas you are not being polite at all.
[2010/06/18 10:43] Arria Perreault: you are RA member, Kas
[2010/06/18 10:43] Rosie Gray: thanks Trebor
[2010/06/18 10:43] Arria Perreault: you cannot be PIO
[2010/06/18 10:43] Kaseido Quandry: And I'm not talking, Arria, I'm facilitating a discussion
[2010/06/18 10:43] Rose Springvale: there is no rule that limits anyting but chancellor
[2010/06/18 10:43] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you are being a total bitch kas i dont appreciate it as a citizen of CDS to see my RA member talked to like that.
[2010/06/18 10:44] Kaseido Quandry: noted, CLEO
[2010/06/18 10:44] Delia Lake: actually, isn't all of this community information in a way?
[2010/06/18 10:44] Arria Perreault: the PIO belong to the Eec
[2010/06/18 10:44] Rose Springvale: i think so Delia
[2010/06/18 10:44] Rose Springvale: its a separate office, appointed by the exec,
[2010/06/18 10:44] Rose Springvale: but not limited
[2010/06/18 10:44] Rose Springvale: no cleo, that's right
[2010/06/18 10:44] Arria Perreault: the separation of branches are a condition for a safe democracy
[2010/06/18 10:44] Kaseido Quandry: Thank you, Trebor.
[2010/06/18 10:44] Rose Springvale: thanks trebor
[2010/06/18 10:45] Rose Springvale: smiels
[2010/06/18 10:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: agreed Trebor I expect that.
[2010/06/18 10:45] Arria Perreault: Trebor, currently there are much more importnt issues than promoting CDS
[2010/06/18 10:45] Kaseido Quandry: Arria, you're out of order.
[2010/06/18 10:45] Arria Perreault: first we have few parcels to sell
[2010/06/18 10:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: What is more important than promoting CDS?
[2010/06/18 10:45] Trebor Warcliffe: Arria and that is somethign we can discuss at the appropriate time.
[2010/06/18 10:45] Rosie Gray: we are here to discuss communications
[2010/06/18 10:45] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why cant Arria say what she thinks?
[2010/06/18 10:45] Trebor Warcliffe: I have to agree
[2010/06/18 10:45] Arria Perreault: and we are trying to keep CDS as a safe democracy
[2010/06/18 10:46] Rosie Gray: I agree with Kaseido too
[2010/06/18 10:46] Arria Perreault: when I hear that the PIO can be a RA member, I start to worry about
[2010/06/18 10:46] Delia Lake: excuse me, but isn't this a discussion about communications? if it is about selling parcels i am confused
[2010/06/18 10:46] Kaseido Quandry: no, she's hijacking the conversation to her own agenda, and I won't have it.
[2010/06/18 10:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: communications about selling parcels
[2010/06/18 10:46] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: communications is a big subject
[2010/06/18 10:46] Rose Springvale: for example
[2010/06/18 10:46] Rosie Gray sighs
[2010/06/18 10:47] Trebor Warcliffe: Has everyone read Kas's agenda?
[2010/06/18 10:47] Arria Perreault: public information is the most important part of the communication in CDS
[2010/06/18 10:47] Rose Springvale: how do we best get information about things out to our community and to the bigger world of sl
[2010/06/18 10:47] Rosie Gray: yes I have
[2010/06/18 10:47] Rose Springvale: and how do we share that responsiblity
[2010/06/18 10:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it has to be a multi prong approcach.
[2010/06/18 10:47] Kaseido Quandry: I completely agree with CLEO
[2010/06/18 10:47] Rose Springvale: thanks rosie
[2010/06/18 10:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: person to person
[2010/06/18 10:47] Rosie Gray: I just formatted it to make it easier to read
[2010/06/18 10:47] Rosie Gray: it's all the same
[2010/06/18 10:47] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ty
[2010/06/18 10:47] Kaseido Quandry: thank you, Rosie, that's a big help
[2010/06/18 10:47] Delia Lake: if i might say something here, from my experience we are neither reaching all our cds citizens nor potentially interested persons outside the cds with our current communications media
[2010/06/18 10:48] Kaseido Quandry: Delia, go on?
[2010/06/18 10:48] Rose Springvale: i agree delia
[2010/06/18 10:48] Rosie Gray: I do too Delia
[2010/06/18 10:48] Trebor Warcliffe: Agreed
[2010/06/18 10:48] Delia Lake: we have about half the citizenry who are registered on the forum
[2010/06/18 10:48] Rosie Gray: I think a newsletter or something like that would be a great idea
[2010/06/18 10:48] Kaseido Quandry: CLEO, once Delia's done, I'd like to hear more about what you're imagining
[2010/06/18 10:48] Rose Springvale: i'll work with you on it Cleo
[2010/06/18 10:48] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lots of people don't read the forums
[2010/06/18 10:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Fern wanted to do it rose.
[2010/06/18 10:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: maybe alexia can help too.
[2010/06/18 10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: and lots of people do
[2010/06/18 10:49] Arria Perreault: Delia, the forum is not a tool for communication
[2010/06/18 10:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: inworld communication should be expanded i agree.
[2010/06/18 10:49] Kaseido Quandry: Trebor, that's a great idea - I'd love to have a few handy things like that
[2010/06/18 10:49] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yep
[2010/06/18 10:49] Delia Lake: we do need to expand inworld communications
[2010/06/18 10:50] Rose Springvale: but i don't always see all the new people
[2010/06/18 10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: they were great, you meet someone and give it them we all have them.
[2010/06/18 10:50] Delia Lake: and make the information easy to find
[2010/06/18 10:50] Trebor Warcliffe: As a newbie can you explain the inworld communication for me
[2010/06/18 10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we can make it better than a notecard now though, it can be liek a magazine
[2010/06/18 10:50] Rosie Gray: yes, put it into a kiosk, like a newspaper
[2010/06/18 10:50] Arria Perreault: there are solutions that wrok in many communities, but I think you don't want to hear about it ...
[2010/06/18 10:50] Rose Springvale: oh, that's a great idea!
[2010/06/18 10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yeah.. but also you can hand them out.
[2010/06/18 10:50] Kaseido Quandry whispers: that's cool - and have it in our inventories to give out to people we meet - yes CLEO!
[2010/06/18 10:50] Kaseido Quandry: I like that a lot!
[2010/06/18 10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: there is a great easy system for those i have them in my shop
[2010/06/18 10:50] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Alexia makes them now.
[2010/06/18 10:51] Trebor Warcliffe: I disagree Arria, we would definitely want to hear what has been successful in other commuities
[2010/06/18 10:51] Rosie Gray: they are easy to make
[2010/06/18 10:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we can have her do one for us
[2010/06/18 10:51] Callipygian Christensen: Might it be worth a quick query to anyone who came to CDS in the last year to askthem how they found out about it? That would identify what methods have been working.
[2010/06/18 10:51] Kaseido Quandry: CLEO, let's run with this - I love it!
[2010/06/18 10:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Some of my best ideas in RL business were spawned off of other's ideas.
[2010/06/18 10:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i thought the guilded tour would allow us to gather information from visitors also
[2010/06/18 10:51] Kaseido Quandry: Calli, that'd make for a great survey, yes!
[2010/06/18 10:51] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: guided
[2010/06/18 10:51] Arria Perreault: but there is a basic condition
[2010/06/18 10:52] Rosie Gray: guided tours are great for some, but some people don't like guided tours and would rather just explore
[2010/06/18 10:52] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: no one would be forced to do it
[2010/06/18 10:52] Rosie Gray: so things to 'discover' are important also
[2010/06/18 10:52] Trebor Warcliffe: Thats why you offer different options
[2010/06/18 10:52] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: muliti prong yes
[2010/06/18 10:52] Rosie Gray: yep
[2010/06/18 10:52] Arria Perreault: it's not a question to force people
[2010/06/18 10:52] Callipygian Christensen: I ran into Tor yesterday, giving Rose and a visitor a tour..can't beat the 'live tour guide' for some things
[2010/06/18 10:52] Rosie Gray: no of course not
[2010/06/18 10:52] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: interactive things people love
[2010/06/18 10:53] Arria Perreault: in many communities it works so
[2010/06/18 10:53] Rosie Gray: yes a person giving tours, and welcoming people
[2010/06/18 10:53] Rosie Gray: nothing beats a real live person
[2010/06/18 10:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes the AA or CDS
[2010/06/18 10:53] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what is this about? i am very sensitive to that sorry.
[2010/06/18 10:53] Sandi Glas is Offline
[2010/06/18 10:53] Rose Springvale: (put the current notecards in the box, no scripts here so buy for 0 if you want to see
[2010/06/18 10:53] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i feel AA has taken over CDS so i am sorry if it upsets me the small distictions in language used.
[2010/06/18 10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: I was just pitchign a promotinal piece that could be set on a kiosk in some of teh newbie areas of SL.
[2010/06/18 10:54] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yeah well ..
[2010/06/18 10:54] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes well if you are CDS then its CDS not aa
[2010/06/18 10:54] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: aa is part of cds
[2010/06/18 10:54] Kaseido Quandry: Trebor, that's a good project in itself, reaching out to newbie areas to recruit...
[2010/06/18 10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Cleo I am a new member here with less than a week inworld
[2010/06/18 10:54] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we used to have an info hub
[2010/06/18 10:55] Callipygian Christensen: Trebor is very newand doesn't know all the nuances Cleo
[2010/06/18 10:55] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that says a lot trebor that you think AA is not CDS
[2010/06/18 10:55] Arria Perreault: in many places, you are member of the community if you rent/own a house or a parcel. Very often, you have to be added to a group to get right to build or rez on your place. This has the effect that everyone is in the group of the community and get the notices. It's easy and it' works very well. At least this would provide a channel where it is possible to have everyone.
[2010/06/18 10:55] Rose Springvale: still do
[2010/06/18 10:55] Trebor Warcliffe: TYhe Magic Carpet ride I took was only in the AA
[2010/06/18 10:55] Trebor Warcliffe: That is why I said it the way I said it.
[2010/06/18 10:55] Arria Perreault: until now, we are citizen by owning a parcel here
[2010/06/18 10:55] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: so forced group membership arria, and exclusive to CDS land owners.??
[2010/06/18 10:55] Arria Perreault: wh not to use this?
[2010/06/18 10:56] Trebor Warcliffe: If I remember correctly the CDS has a majic owl?
[2010/06/18 10:56] Arria Perreault: we all have a parcel
[2010/06/18 10:56] Rosie Gray: I am lost as to what is being talked about now
[2010/06/18 10:56] Rose Springvale: smiles
[2010/06/18 10:56] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: well it changes our open group membershiop and its a LOT Of work to keep groups straight arria
[2010/06/18 10:56] Rose Springvale: and limites
[2010/06/18 10:56] Rose Springvale: because groups are limited
[2010/06/18 10:56] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: she is saying that we could have communication via a group, that all citizens had to join.
[2010/06/18 10:56] Trebor Warcliffe: Thank you Kas I was only trying to entertain ideas not start a melee
[2010/06/18 10:56] Rosie Gray: oh yes, well of course
[2010/06/18 10:57] Rose Springvale: there are a lot of issues with groups
[2010/06/18 10:57] Kaseido Quandry: Trebor, you're doing fine - and I ask that people keep their political fights outside of this space
[2010/06/18 10:57] Arria Perreault: what issues?
[2010/06/18 10:57] Rose Springvale: building rights are a mess in CDS... each sim used different ones for building for example
[2010/06/18 10:57] Rosie Gray: yes there are some issues
[2010/06/18 10:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what political fights are going on kas i think you are hallucinating
[2010/06/18 10:57] Rose Springvale: in CN, you have to be in CN group to rez
[2010/06/18 10:57] Arria Perreault: list them, please
[2010/06/18 10:57] Rosie Gray: it sure sounds like political fighting to me
[2010/06/18 10:57] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what?
[2010/06/18 10:57] Delia Lake: back to the kiosk, might it also have a slideshow?
[2010/06/18 10:57] Trebor Warcliffe: We're gettign off topic again!!!
[2010/06/18 10:57] Callipygian Christensen: Trebor..you come to CDS at a pretty brutal time in itspolitics. I hope you can ignore the partisanship and make your way. Some are very outspoken and aggresssive about their ideals, others are not..so please hang in there.
[2010/06/18 10:57] Rose Springvale: smiles
[2010/06/18 10:58] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you people are worse than i ever was.
[2010/06/18 10:58] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: oh great idea youtube
[2010/06/18 10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: I love the idea of a video but have no experince in this area
[2010/06/18 10:58] Kaseido Quandry: I'd love to spnsor a contest to make one...
[2010/06/18 10:58] Callipygian Christensen: Kas - any video should accommodate both old and new viewers
[2010/06/18 10:58] Kaseido Quandry: Calli, good point
[2010/06/18 10:58] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we know people who have them
[2010/06/18 10:58] Arria Perreault: we just try to maintain this place as it was
[2010/06/18 10:58] Rose Springvale: actually, she youtubed the owl tour!
[2010/06/18 10:58] Kaseido Quandry: whoa, I need to track that down
[2010/06/18 10:58] Rosie Gray: oh is that on youtube?
[2010/06/18 10:59] Arria Perreault: if you have time, Trebor, I am ready to explain
[2010/06/18 10:59] Rose Springvale: i'll find the link
[2010/06/18 10:59] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: draxtor could do a story on our troubles that would be great
[2010/06/18 10:59] Rosie Gray: I always keep media turned off, and so do many other people
[2010/06/18 10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: Are there inworld publications where we could do mock press releases
[2010/06/18 11:00] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: of us all duking it out in the streets would be good too.
[2010/06/18 11:00] Kaseido Quandry: true, Rosie - I'd like to think of it as part of CLEO's multi-prong idea
[2010/06/18 11:00] Delia Lake: yes, Kas, and yes Trebor there are
[2010/06/18 11:00] Kaseido Quandry: Trebor, SL doesn't really have mass media
[2010/06/18 11:00] Rose Springvale: i have a whole list of press contacts i always send to Trebor
[2010/06/18 11:00] Rosie Gray: oh yes I think it's a good idea
[2010/06/18 11:00] Rose Springvale: we've gotten lots of good press over the year
[2010/06/18 11:00] Delia Lake: there are magazines though
[2010/06/18 11:00] Rosie Gray: no it doesn't, but there are independent publications
[2010/06/18 11:00] Callipygian Christensen: Victoriana had a video in the welcome area that hung like a lovely picture and a small sign saying 'turn on media' to view
[2010/06/18 11:00] Rosie Gray: people do look at them
[2010/06/18 11:00] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we already have ads in a magaizine
[2010/06/18 11:01] Rosie Gray: that's a nice way to handle the video Calli
[2010/06/18 11:01] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i had alexia do one for CDS then AA boutht their own
[2010/06/18 11:01] Kaseido Quandry: oh, agreed, though I'd want to balance viewership against time/cost to produce
[2010/06/18 11:01] Callipygian Christensen: people can also place the url to a youtube video in thier profile on the Web tab..I have one there for my art
[2010/06/18 11:01] Kaseido Quandry: I'm a big fan of getting events into the New World Notes listing, which *does* seem to generate a good return
[2010/06/18 11:01] Rose Springvale: AA doesn't buy ads
[2010/06/18 11:01] CLEOPATRA Xigalia gave you ANCIENT LIFE illustrated_14 JUNE (wear or rez).
[2010/06/18 11:01] Rose Springvale: http://blip.tv/file/1203750
[2010/06/18 11:01] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: someone did
[2010/06/18 11:01] Trebor Warcliffe: I think it would be a good idea to expand on Arria's idea of seeing what works in other successful communities and trying some ideas off of that.
[2010/06/18 11:01] Rose Springvale: that's gwyns video
[2010/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: does anyone know what you need to do to get your sim promoted by LL? say on their viewer splash?
[2010/06/18 11:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: this is the latest issue of alexias ancient life
[2010/06/18 11:02] Rose Springvale: must have been sonja
[2010/06/18 11:02] Kaseido Quandry: oh, I totally agree, Trebor
[2010/06/18 11:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and then i think alexia might have done the photo thing
[2010/06/18 11:02] Arria Perreault: Thank you, Cleo
[2010/06/18 11:02] Kaseido Quandry: I've looked around a fair bit, but I'd love to hear from other people about what they think works
[2010/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: thanks Cleo
[2010/06/18 11:02] Arria Perreault: can someone rez it?
[2010/06/18 11:02] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: wear it arria
[2010/06/18 11:02] Rosie Gray: can't rez here
[2010/06/18 11:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have an issue about LA and the lack of communication that just irks me
[2010/06/18 11:03] Trebor Warcliffe: Whats LA
[2010/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: my question too
[2010/06/18 11:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i don't understand why when someone lands in LA at the landing point, they have access to the merger agreement but no clue about what is in Locus
[2010/06/18 11:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what it is
[2010/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: what is LA?
[2010/06/18 11:03] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: locus a menous
[2010/06/18 11:03] Rosie Gray: okay thank you
[2010/06/18 11:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: CDS is the confederation of Democatic simulators
[2010/06/18 11:04] Claude Desmoulins is Offline
[2010/06/18 11:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is the only surviving group of decmocratically run simulators in SL from an early experiment
[2010/06/18 11:04] Arria Perreault: D is for democratic
[2010/06/18 11:04] Rosie Gray: yes I know that
[2010/06/18 11:04] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: AA joined CDS
[2010/06/18 11:04] Arria Perreault: and we want to keep this d alive
[2010/06/18 11:04] Kaseido Quandry: ok, we're running a little past the one hour mark -
[2010/06/18 11:05] Kaseido Quandry: does anybody have any ideas on *communications* they haven't gotten to express?
[2010/06/18 11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: to visitors and espcially to RA memebers who don't even know this
[2010/06/18 11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ME!!!!
[2010/06/18 11:05] Trebor Warcliffe: Can I attempt to address Cleo's question briefly.
[2010/06/18 11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i was talking and you rudely interrupted me kas
[2010/06/18 11:05] Callipygian Christensen: Many arrival areas in places with a landing point set have a board of locations within the sim..stoeres, galleris etc, with a TP function..are you thinking of something like that Cleo?
[2010/06/18 11:05] Rosie Gray: do events get posted on the LL events listing?
[2010/06/18 11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I am thinking thta in LA there is no info at all about what is the sim
[2010/06/18 11:05] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what is in the sim or who is there.
[2010/06/18 11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Kind of like a You Are Here display
[2010/06/18 11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: as a merchant in LA paying 7k a month
[2010/06/18 11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Or a guidebook
[2010/06/18 11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i would like to know that when someone lands there they know what is there.
[2010/06/18 11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: not the merger agreement
[2010/06/18 11:06] Kaseido Quandry: CLEO, I think you're right
[2010/06/18 11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i know i am.
[2010/06/18 11:06] Rosie Gray: people don't give a toss about group mergers
[2010/06/18 11:06] Rosie Gray: they want to know what is there
[2010/06/18 11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: Cleo is right but it takes more than saying it we have to work together as a team and make it happen
[2010/06/18 11:06] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but i do want to say something that i think Kas interrupted and it really upsets me.
[2010/06/18 11:07] Delia Lake: Rosie, a person can post events to the LL events if you have the pernission rights to the place where the event is being held
[2010/06/18 11:07] Rosie Gray: yes I know Delia
[2010/06/18 11:07] Rosie Gray: but I didn't know if it is being done here
[2010/06/18 11:07] Rosie Gray: on behalf of the events
[2010/06/18 11:07] Kaseido Quandry: I think not, Rosie
[2010/06/18 11:07] Rosie Gray: then it should be
[2010/06/18 11:07] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: when i did events i always posted them in events
[2010/06/18 11:07] Rosie Gray: it will bring many new people
[2010/06/18 11:07] Kaseido Quandry: it's certainly worth doing
[2010/06/18 11:07] Delia Lake: it depends. i posted one for this morning on Albaycin to the SL events
[2010/06/18 11:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Maybe some residences of each SIM can get together and work on either a map or guidebook or both.
[2010/06/18 11:08] Callipygian Christensen poiints back in the text to her question to Cleo
[2010/06/18 11:08] Arria Perreault: I did to in the past, for the Monastery
[2010/06/18 11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i have one thing about communications that i think is the most important thing..
[2010/06/18 11:08] Trebor Warcliffe: ok Cleo
[2010/06/18 11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: what was the question?
[2010/06/18 11:08] Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen: Many arrival areas in places with a landing point set have a board of locations within the sim..stoeres, galleris etc, with a TP function..are you thinking of something like that Cleo?
[2010/06/18 11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: tp or even information would be good
[2010/06/18 11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: something
[2010/06/18 11:08] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: not necessarly tp
[2010/06/18 11:09] Kaseido Quandry: I agree, yes
[2010/06/18 11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: info at least
[2010/06/18 11:09] Trebor Warcliffe: Agreed
[2010/06/18 11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but thats not the most important thing about communication in CDS.
[2010/06/18 11:09] Trebor Warcliffe: Now who has that information so we can work it and mold it into something?
[2010/06/18 11:09] Arria Perreault: what is the most important thing, Cleo?
[2010/06/18 11:09] Kaseido Quandry: I'll be writing up a report, and I'll post it on the forums and present it to the next RA meeting
[2010/06/18 11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: kas im talking.
[2010/06/18 11:09] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: can i speak or no.
[2010/06/18 11:10] Trebor Warcliffe: go on Cleo please
[2010/06/18 11:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: idlike to say one thing.
[2010/06/18 11:10] Kaseido Quandry: Cleo, nobody's stopping you at all
[2010/06/18 11:10] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you interrupted me many times
[2010/06/18 11:10] Rosie Gray: oh for heaven's sake
[2010/06/18 11:10] Rose Springvale: sorry back
[2010/06/18 11:10] Pip Torok is Offline
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: CDS is the only surviving democracy from an early linden experiment.. and EVERY ONE who visits should know this.
[2010/06/18 11:11] Claude Desmoulins is Online
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Our RA doesnt even all know it.
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that is the most im,portnat thing to communicate
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: in my h o
[2010/06/18 11:11] Arria Perreault: I agree
[2010/06/18 11:11] Rosie Gray: I disagree
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: do you agree rose
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why would you disagree with that???
[2010/06/18 11:11] Rosie Gray: it's not that I don't think it's important, and interesting
[2010/06/18 11:11] Rosie Gray: I do
[2010/06/18 11:11] Trebor Warcliffe: I think it is one part of a bigger picture.
[2010/06/18 11:11] CLEOPATRA Xigalia faints
[2010/06/18 11:11] Rosie Gray: but it's not the most important thing to communicate
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is why and how we began
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and why we are here
[2010/06/18 11:12] Kaseido Quandry: Trebor, Rosie, I <3 you
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and who we are
[2010/06/18 11:12] Rosie Gray: yes, and I do appreciate that
[2010/06/18 11:12] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes it is your heritage
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is not the ONLY thing
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but the most important thing to leave with
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we are unique in sl
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: very
[2010/06/18 11:12] Rosie Gray: but if you want to attract more people, you need to make it more than just about that. It has to be an interesting, welcoming place
[2010/06/18 11:12] Arria Perreault: there are so many similar communities in SL, with events and rezz birthday greetings
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: necessary but no sufficient
[2010/06/18 11:12] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: of course there is MORE!!!
[2010/06/18 11:13] Arria Perreault: Democracy makes this place very special
[2010/06/18 11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes it does.
[2010/06/18 11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is what makes us uique
[2010/06/18 11:13] Delia Lake: i'd also like to point out here that with different connection speeds and the inevitible sl lag at times it iw almost impossible not to interrupt other people often
[2010/06/18 11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: unique
[2010/06/18 11:13] Rosie Gray: I'm not disagreeing with that, but it really does depend on your aims of communication
[2010/06/18 11:13] Arria Perreault: (if we keep this democracy alive, of course)
[2010/06/18 11:13] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you can halve a welcome text in every sim saying
[2010/06/18 11:13] Arria Perreault: the people we want to attract here should be interest to participate the this democracy
[2010/06/18 11:14] Rosie Gray: not necessarily Arria
[2010/06/18 11:14] Arria Perreault: there are many other places in SL to have fun
[2010/06/18 11:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: WELCOmE to CDS, the only surviving democracy from an early sl experiment.
[2010/06/18 11:14] Rosie Gray: there are merchants here who want to sell their things
[2010/06/18 11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: The democracy is but one aspect of why I chose to join
[2010/06/18 11:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: welcome and becaome a citizen
[2010/06/18 11:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I am a merchant.
[2010/06/18 11:14] Arria Perreault: we can also decide to stop the democracy and get a crown in your shop for our next king or queen
[2010/06/18 11:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its not one aspect
[2010/06/18 11:14] Rosie Gray: brb... phone call
[2010/06/18 11:14] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its the reason for us being here.
[2010/06/18 11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: It is not the only reason I'm sorry
[2010/06/18 11:15] Rose Springvale: wait
[2010/06/18 11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its the reason we started ftrebor
[2010/06/18 11:15] Arria Perreault: why did you come here, Trebor?
[2010/06/18 11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its what makes u s unique
[2010/06/18 11:15] Arria Perreault: now you are a citizen
[2010/06/18 11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: its not the only thing to communicate but it must be known to EVERYONE
[2010/06/18 11:15] Arria Perreault: you have the right to vot
[2010/06/18 11:15] Callipygian Christensen: There are people who will come here because freinds are here, because the sims are lovely, with no interest in the political aspects..and they may just stay that way or they may be here a while and get involved. Appealing to them is not unimportant.
[2010/06/18 11:15] Delia Lake: so then CLEO are you saying that everyone who visits and would be welcomed should become a citizen, and if not they would not be welcome to visit?
[2010/06/18 11:15] Trebor Warcliffe: The first reason I came here was because of Alpine Meadows.
[2010/06/18 11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: there are RA memebers that don't even know it.
[2010/06/18 11:15] Arria Perreault: this makes you responsible
[2010/06/18 11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: NO I DONT MEAN THAT AT ALL DELIA.
[2010/06/18 11:15] Kaseido Quandry: yes, Delia, that's just what they're saying
[2010/06/18 11:15] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: NO
[2010/06/18 11:16] Trebor Warcliffe: I wanted a landscape that reminded of hte nature and mountains of Yellowstone
[2010/06/18 11:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ONLY ONE THING... am i saying .. its that everyone should know we are a democracy.
[2010/06/18 11:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if you like the sim and stay thats great!
[2010/06/18 11:16] Kaseido Quandry: Good on you, Trebor - and we welcome you and value you as part of this community
[2010/06/18 11:16] Rose Springvale: that says, welcome to CDS, democracy?
[2010/06/18 11:16] Trebor Warcliffe: Than I discovered CDS and thought "WOW what a fascinating concept."
[2010/06/18 11:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes rose.
[2010/06/18 11:16] Rose Springvale: or like micael has here
[2010/06/18 11:16] Arria Perreault: but you are a citizen, Trebor, not only a tier payer
[2010/06/18 11:16] Claude Desmoulins is Offline
[2010/06/18 11:16] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: is that horrible.
[2010/06/18 11:16] Rose Springvale: that gives out things and you can discard?
[2010/06/18 11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why would it be bad for people to know you are a democracy
[2010/06/18 11:17] Rose Springvale: not bad at all
[2010/06/18 11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it can do just aline of text not just a card.
[2010/06/18 11:17] Trebor Warcliffe: I've got to read some of the last posts so i can catch up
[2010/06/18 11:17] Rose Springvale: okay
[2010/06/18 11:17] Rose Springvale: no reason we can't do that
[2010/06/18 11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you dont have to give out cards or LMs
[2010/06/18 11:17] Rose Springvale: we do it at the mosque here, just needs someone to do it
[2010/06/18 11:17] Rose Springvale: nothing fancy
[2010/06/18 11:17] Callipygian Christensen: I don't think anyone said it's bad CLEO, just that it shouldn't override other information
[2010/06/18 11:17] Arria Perreault: in rl world, people don't choose to be born in North Korea or in an occidental democracy
[2010/06/18 11:17] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: just say a line of text that CDS is the only surviing democratic community from an early linden experiment
[2010/06/18 11:17] Arria Perreault: in SL, you can choose
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we dont get born in CDS
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we come here
[2010/06/18 11:18] Trebor Warcliffe: Cleo I can agree with your last point.
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: you also don't immigrate to a country where you hate what they stand for.
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we stand for democracy
[2010/06/18 11:18] Kaseido Quandry: we come here for a lot of reasons, all equally valid
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: if you want to know more .. ask us
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yeah!!!
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: thats all i mean trebor
[2010/06/18 11:18] Arria Perreault: you can join a community with a omnipotent landowner or you can join CDS and participate to the decisions by electing, voting
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: sure.. tell them about my shop
[2010/06/18 11:18] Rose Springvale: tell me, because i'm getting confulsed... what do you mean when you say democracy. and that's not quite true trevor
[2010/06/18 11:18] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: or roman sims
[2010/06/18 11:18] Rose Springvale: trebor, there are other democracies
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: tell me about the AM sim
[2010/06/18 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: But your approach in the beginnign of this was more extreme in my opinion.
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: we are the only surviving democracy from an early linden experiment.
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: early in sl the lindens did an expermient
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and only CDS still exists
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: others come afte rthis sure
[2010/06/18 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: I know that I read about it before i deceded to join
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but i think that information is importnant
[2010/06/18 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: It is
[2010/06/18 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: BUT
[2010/06/18 11:19] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it doesnt mean that other info isnt important
[2010/06/18 11:20] Trebor Warcliffe: It is not the only important thing in the CDS
[2010/06/18 11:20] Trebor Warcliffe: Good we agree
[2010/06/18 11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: of course it MULTI PRONGED too
[2010/06/18 11:20] Rose Springvale: do you agree that more than a line of text as a greeting could be annoying though?
[2010/06/18 11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yes rose
[2010/06/18 11:20] Kaseido Quandry: I think we do, and that consensus note is a good one to wrap on
[2010/06/18 11:20] Trebor Warcliffe: It depends
[2010/06/18 11:20] Rose Springvale: cool. one recommendation we can make!
[2010/06/18 11:20] Trebor Warcliffe: I'd love to be able to read about the history
[2010/06/18 11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: more than one line is annoying
[2010/06/18 11:20] Trebor Warcliffe: of the CDS
[2010/06/18 11:20] Trebor Warcliffe: It is my understanding
[2010/06/18 11:20] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: yu can get them also that only give it to you the first time you visit
[2010/06/18 11:21] Kaseido Quandry: yep, there are notegivers that do that
[2010/06/18 11:21] Rose Springvale: yes, that's important, especially for citizens
[2010/06/18 11:21] Trebor Warcliffe: That there was quite a bit of turmoil with a founding father back in the day
[2010/06/18 11:21] Rose Springvale: yes Trebor Kas is working on history i think!
[2010/06/18 11:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: democracy and that we are the only surviving from an early linden experiment.
[2010/06/18 11:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think that matters
[2010/06/18 11:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i think that is our draw
[2010/06/18 11:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: that we don't use
[2010/06/18 11:21] Rose Springvale: i'm not sure its true, i hate to say that
[2010/06/18 11:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am a marketer
[2010/06/18 11:21] Kaseido Quandry: I don
[2010/06/18 11:21] Trebor Warcliffe: It does matter adn it is ONE of our draws
[2010/06/18 11:21] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: whats not true
[2010/06/18 11:22] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it is one of them yes
[2010/06/18 11:22] Kaseido Quandry: yep, Trebor has it
[2010/06/18 11:22] Kaseido Quandry: ok, we're pretty well agreed
[2010/06/18 11:22] Rose Springvale: that we are teh only surviving from an early experiement, i think we were the only experiement from that time
[2010/06/18 11:22] Trebor Warcliffe: May I suggest we wrap this meeting up for now?
[2010/06/18 11:22] Kaseido Quandry: yes, let's
[2010/06/18 11:22] Trebor Warcliffe: I actually have a RL final exam i have to finish
[2010/06/18 11:22] Kaseido Quandry: and for some great ideas
[2010/06/18 11:22] Arria Perreault: I think (and I am talking about the old CDS) that CDS has two important caracteristics:
[2010/06/18 11:22] Rose Springvale: thanks for facillitating Kas. next meeting is when?
[2010/06/18 11:22] Kaseido Quandry: tomorrow noon SLT
[2010/06/18 11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i vote a new moderator for these, kas is not well at doing it in my opinion
[2010/06/18 11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: shes rude
[2010/06/18 11:23] Vaki Zenovka is Offline
[2010/06/18 11:23] Trebor Warcliffe: I wont be able to make that one but I look forward to reading the transcript
[2010/06/18 11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: she is.
[2010/06/18 11:23] Rose Springvale: run for RA
[2010/06/18 11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: me? no way.
[2010/06/18 11:23] Rose Springvale: smiles. i remember
[2010/06/18 11:23] CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i worked my ass off and got treated like shit
[2010/06/18 11:23] Kaseido Quandry: and I'll make sure everyone who comes gets a copy of the write-up