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A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

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This is the second item for which there was support in the Finance Commission.

A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act.

Given the the Chancellor, Treasurer and the people assembled in commission meetings find the current collection rules ineffective, confusing and a hindrance to the effective management of tier collection, the following amendments are proposed to the Land Sales Reclamation Act.

1. Citizens of CDS are expected to pay tier rentals to the CDS Treasurer in a timely fashion. The Treasurer may set (by posting to the CDS Forums) reasonable monthly notification and due date schedules.

ADD: The due date for the future or current month will be no earlier than five days after payment boxes are open to accept tier payments.



2. The CDS Executive Branch shall provide for notice (which may be by IM or notecard) to each land owner when they have failed to pay tier rental by the established due date. 

3. Five calendar days after the due date, a landowner who has failed timely to pay rental tier becomes a 'provisional citizen', and shall not have the right to vote or hold office in the CDS until and unless all amounts overdue to CDS are paid in full. The citizen shall receive a notice (by IM or notecard) advising her or him of this risk and imminent change is status, and noting the deadline for final payment pursuant to this Act.

4. CDS has the right to make public the lists of provisional citizens from time to time, as reasonably needed for its administration of government.



DELETE 5. One calendar month after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall send another notice to the landowner warning of imminent reclamation (loss of the land). Fourteen days after that 1-month notice is sent, the CDS Executive Branch shall re-take ownership of the land, and the owner shall be removed from 'provisional citizen' status. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. All objects on the parcel at the time of reclamation shall be returned, and a notice of the reclamation sent to the landowner.

ADD 5. Fourteen days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be not be returned to the landowner nor will the parcels be set for re-sale until 30 days after the due date has passed. Notice of this reclamation and impending loss to regain the reclaimed parcels will be sent to the landowner. Thirty days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to not pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS will return all objects on parcels. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel.



DELETE 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, and reaches the one-month notice above, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above. However, this paragraph 6 shall only be in force on and after the date on which CDS government has posted a method by which absent landowners can effectively prepay rent, in amounts at least up to 3 months' in advance.

ADD 6. If a landowner who has failed to pay rental tier owns more than one CDS property, all of that owner's properties are subject to the reclamation rules specified above.

7. The CDS Executive Branch is encouraged to take reasonable additional steps to notify citizens of past due amounts and all other matters described in this Act, but timely rent payment primarily is the citizen's responsibility to monitor. 



8. This law repeals any provisions of prior CDS laws (including NL 7-6 [http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=208]) that specify land reclamation or rent payment methods, to the extent that they contradict the explicit terms of this law.

Adopted by the RA 4 January 2009
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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

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DELETE: "The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. "





This statement is too vague.. and leaves the executive discretion open to abuse , allowing this chancellor discretion would in effect allow the exec to legislate and potentially gerrymander using parcel distribution or non distribution....... I would like to see a policy such as the current administration has in place where all the land to be put on the market is announced publically and people are given at least 24 hours notice before the land is sold... I do not want to go back to a place where the chancellor determines who gets what parcel.

ADD: All reclaimed land shall be resold in a public sale via a fair and transparent method. The CDS executive shall notify all citizens via the forums and group notice in the CDS group no less than 24 hours before a reclaimed parcel is placed on the market. The land sale shall be at a predetermined time and set for sale at the government rates. If more than one citizen or non citizen is interested in the parcel, the chancellor shall determine in a random method, agreed upon by the SC, to whom the parcel will be sold.
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This bill supposedly is coming from the Powers of the Chancellor commission? I do not see the chancellor's powers limited in any way with the wording Tor has used in this bill! The current description in the law and constitution gives the chancellor extreme powers by giving them unlimited discretion in the areas of their duties that can equate to land gerrymandering and land ownership manipulation... Lets be careful and DELETE all chancellor discretion in these areas.

With the bill as written, we are going to go now to letting all land go 30 days in arrears before reclaiming it ? And then let the chancellor decide when and if and how to sell the land ??? This doesn't give any change to the current law, there is nothing in this that keeps a chancellor from "locking down" parcels... or holding them a few extra days til a citizen list is pulled, etc. ... lets be specific here please !

Tor says we should add:

ADD 5. Fourteen days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to fail to pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS shall reclaim all parcels owned by the landowner and hold all parcels in reserve. Objects on the parcels will be not be returned to the landowner nor will the parcels be set for re-sale until 30 days after the due date has passed. Notice of this reclamation and impending loss to regain the reclaimed parcels will be sent to the landowner. Thirty days after the due date, if the landowner has continued to not pay the full amount then overdue to CDS, then CDS will return all objects on parcels. The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose of the land by re-sale or otherwise in such manner as is consistent with our laws, and the landowner will lose any further interest in the parcel. tor karlsvalt

Because Tor used the word "may" in the last sentence, he has left in all chancellor discretion.. I would first like to discuss ... do we really want to hold land for 30 days before its resold and if so... then see my previous post to changing this last sentence totally.

This is going to decrease our revenue potential.. I am just wondering if the financial impact of this is of interest to anyone... I am also going to reiterate that i am not happy with tors use of the word MAY in this sentance.. if this is left in, chancellor powers have not be changed or limited at all, it is the chancellor "discretion' , which Tor left in the law he rewrote that gives the chancellor so much power now. Lets remove that discretion please.
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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

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It is quite interesting to read the difference between what Tor tried to write for himself back then and what is on the table now. No?

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3007
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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

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Cleo

I posted in reply to your link to thi in General Discussion:
Re: Legislative Discussion.. Land reclamation Act
Postby Callipygian » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:59 pm

Cleo - why are you commenting on a proposal from four years ago?

If this is accidental, then please, as a RA member, do a better job of figuring out what you should be responding too.

If it is intentional, to draw attention to a past proposal, please just say so.

Posting a link to old content and commenting on it may mislead readers about what is *currently* before the RA; this is damaging to the process of public review.

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Adding your 'isn't it interesting..' post half an hour later does nothing to lessen the potential confusion of readers, some of them new to CDS and the Forums.

If you are commenting on the current proposed legislation, then comment in *that* topic.
If you want to discuss the past *start* a new topic to do so.
Please stop making it more difficult for those who are new here to find accurate *current* information.

For those who wish to read discussion on the proposed legislation before the current RA it can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5735

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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

Post by Gwyneth Llewelyn »

I would also propose to amend things to make them mandatory, and not at the Chancellor's whim and discretion:

Where it is proposed: 'The CDS Executive Branch may then dispose ...'

to become 'The CDS Executive Branch shall then dispose ...' (note: two changes in the text!)
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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

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Gwynth - There was some confusion and you have responded to the thread begun in 2010. Please comment on the current Bill here viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5735
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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

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Widget Whiteberry wrote:Gwynth - There was some confusion and you have responded to the thread begun in 2010. Please comment on the current Bill here viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5735
Thank you for pointing that out Widget. It was easy to overlook the date of the original post.
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Re: A motion to amend NL 9-2 the Land Sales Reclamation Act

Post by Gwyneth Llewelyn »

What a mess. So NL 9-2 is not being amended, but superseded? Was this motion definitely abandoned? In that case, I propose that the moderators lock this topic to avoid further confusion.

Commenting on 4-year-old proposals does not make a big difference to me :-) since lawmaking in the CDS is slow hehe
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