Transcript of 16th RA Inaugural meeting

[Anna Toussaint]

[2011/12/03 10:09] Delia Lake: should we get started then?
[2011/12/03 10:09] Anna Toussaint: yup
[2011/12/03 10:09] Shep Titian: Absolutely
[2011/12/03 10:09] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: josjoha Resident (17m)
[2011/12/03 10:09] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Tor Karlsvalt (19m)
[2011/12/03 10:09] Shep Titian: Hi or
[2011/12/03 10:09] Anna Toussaint: Hey, Jos
[2011/12/03 10:09] josjoha: hi !
[2011/12/03 10:09] josjoha: everyone
[2011/12/03 10:10] Callipygian Christensen: could you go stand closer to Beathan Delia? (photo composition request lol)
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[2011/12/03 10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: hi all
[2011/12/03 10:10] Callipygian Christensen: hi jos, Tor
[2011/12/03 10:10] Shep Titian: Hi Jos
[2011/12/03 10:10] Delia Lake: to make this meeting completely official, as a representative of the SC, I will then administer the Affirmation of Office to Beathan Vale. all the other 16th term RA have given their affirmations
[2011/12/03 10:10] Callipygian Christensen: thanks Delia
[2011/12/03 10:11] josjoha: : )
[2011/12/03 10:11] Delia Lake: Beathan, if you would please, insert your name into the Affirmation of Office then read it into the text chat
[2011/12/03 10:11] Beathan Vale: I Beathan Vale, having been allegedly elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
[2011/12/03 10:11] Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen frowns
[2011/12/03 10:12] Delia Lake: thank you.
[2011/12/03 10:12] Beathan Vale: I continue to dispute the validity the election and must note that fact
[2011/12/03 10:12] Callipygian Christensen: is allegedly the actual wording?
[2011/12/03 10:12] Rosie Gray: no I don't believe it is... sharp eyes Calli
[2011/12/03 10:12] Beathan Vale: No Cally, of course it isn't
[2011/12/03 10:12] Delia Lake: We will post your affirmation to the forum with those of the rest of the new RA with your permission Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:13] Callipygian Christensen: Delia - is that an appropriate change?
[2011/12/03 10:13] Beathan Vale: that's fine -- I note that I am affirming the substantive and affirmative duty portion of the affirmation
[2011/12/03 10:13] Delia Lake: the most important part of the affirmation is the commitment to uphold the constitution
[2011/12/03 10:14] Beathan Vale: However, until we have a full by-electiton, I will consider this term of the RA to be illegitimate
[2011/12/03 10:14] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Vespasian Cortes (18m)
[2011/12/03 10:14] Vespasian Cortes: hello all
[2011/12/03 10:14] Shep Titian: Hi Vesp
[2011/12/03 10:14] Anna Toussaint: You were going to resign, Beathan, to force that
[2011/12/03 10:14] Callipygian Christensen: hi Vespasian
[2011/12/03 10:14] Anna Toussaint: is that still your intent?
[2011/12/03 10:14] josjoha: they Ves !
[2011/12/03 10:14] Anna Toussaint: Hi, Vespasian
[2011/12/03 10:14] Rosie Gray: hello Vespasian
[2011/12/03 10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Vespasian
[2011/12/03 10:15] Beathan Vale: Only if it can be held on terms that make this RA legitimate -- which requires at a minimum an increase in RA size to 7 and an enfrachisement of new citizens
[2011/12/03 10:15] Beathan Vale: I have proposed legislation to accomplish those preconditions
[2011/12/03 10:15] Anna Toussaint: are there enough citizens for the formula to give us seven?
[2011/12/03 10:15] Shep Titian: Yes
[2011/12/03 10:15] Shep Titian: More than enough
[2011/12/03 10:16] Anna Toussaint: Delia? A
[2011/12/03 10:16] Anna Toussaint: re you still moderator?
[2011/12/03 10:16] Beathan Vale: there are if jia23 is included, as she should have been; there are if current citizens are counted, as would be the case if my by-election amendment passes
[2011/12/03 10:16] Delia Lake: I am finished my duties. it is now up to you all to sort out how you will run the 16th RA
[2011/12/03 10:16] Beathan Vale: I propose that Rosie run this meeting as the only holdover from the 15th RA
[2011/12/03 10:17] Shep Titian: Second
[2011/12/03 10:17] Anna Toussaint: I see no reason not to elect an LRA
[2011/12/03 10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: wb Anna
[2011/12/03 10:21] Rosie Gray: wb Anna
[2011/12/03 10:22] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Pip Torok (18m)
[2011/12/03 10:22] Anna Toussaint: there is no moderator
[2011/12/03 10:22] Rosie Gray: hi Pip
[2011/12/03 10:22] Callipygian Christensen: Hi Pip
[2011/12/03 10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Pip
[2011/12/03 10:22] josjoha: hi Pippey
[2011/12/03 10:22] Vespasian Cortes: hi pip & jos
[2011/12/03 10:22] josjoha: hi Ves : )
[2011/12/03 10:22] Shep Titian: Hi Pip
[2011/12/03 10:22] Pip Torok: hi everyone
[2011/12/03 10:22] Anna Toussaint: Madame SC rep., can motions be made without one?
[2011/12/03 10:23] Rosie Gray: Anna I've just IM'd you with what you missed
[2011/12/03 10:23] Anna Toussaint: I would ask that Delia moderate the election of an LRA
[2011/12/03 10:23] Rosie Gray: I second that request
[2011/12/03 10:24] Beathan Vale: I support that compromise
[2011/12/03 10:24] Anna Toussaint: thanks, Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:24] Anna Toussaint: Delia?
[2011/12/03 10:24] Delia Lake: reluctantly, to move things ahead here
[2011/12/03 10:24] Anna Toussaint: thanks
[2011/12/03 10:24] Rosie Gray: thank you Delia
[2011/12/03 10:24] Delia Lake: one of the first duties of the newly elected RA is to elect its leader for the term
[2011/12/03 10:25] Delia Lake: it has become the tradtion to elect not only the LRA but also a LRA pro tem in the event that the LRA is unable to perform duties
[2011/12/03 10:25] Delia Lake: temporarily
[2011/12/03 10:26] Delia Lake: so we will now entertain nominations for the position of LRA for the 16th RA term
[2011/12/03 10:26] Beathan Vale: I move that we elect Shep
[2011/12/03 10:26] Rosie Gray: I nominate Anna for LRA
[2011/12/03 10:26] Pip Torok: i movr we elect Rosie
[2011/12/03 10:26] Rosie Gray: and I nominate Shep for LRA Pro Tem
[2011/12/03 10:26] Anna Toussaint: you cannot move anything, Pip
[2011/12/03 10:26] Beathan Vale: I would also accept Rosie
[2011/12/03 10:26] Delia Lake: Pip, we in the peanut gallery do not get to nominate today
[2011/12/03 10:26] Anna Toussaint: you're not a member
[2011/12/03 10:26] Shep Titian: I vote for myself
[2011/12/03 10:26] Pip Torok: sorry anna!
[2011/12/03 10:27] Anna Toussaint: hehe
[2011/12/03 10:27] Rosie Gray: hahah
[2011/12/03 10:27] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory wants to nominate a peanut
[2011/12/03 10:27] Anna Toussaint: so, call for a vote?
[2011/12/03 10:27] Anna Toussaint: me too,. Bromo
[2011/12/03 10:27] Delia Lake: we now have 2 nominations, Shep and Anna
[2011/12/03 10:27] Delia Lake: are there any others?
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[2011/12/03 10:28] Rosie Gray: not from me
[2011/12/03 10:28] Anna Toussaint: nope
[2011/12/03 10:28] Shep Titian: no
[2011/12/03 10:28] Beathan Vale: no
[2011/12/03 10:28] Delia Lake: if not we call for a vote
[2011/12/03 10:28] Beathan Vale: Shep
[2011/12/03 10:28] Anna Toussaint: I vote Anna
[2011/12/03 10:28] Rosie Gray: Anna
[2011/12/03 10:28] Shep Titian: Shep
[2011/12/03 10:29] Delia Lake: 2 each it seems
[2011/12/03 10:29] Rosie Gray: we have Pat's vote on the forum
[2011/12/03 10:29] Shep Titian: Pat votes Anna
[2011/12/03 10:29] Delia Lake: so we do need Pat's vote
[2011/12/03 10:29] Rosie Gray: if we can allow that
[2011/12/03 10:29] Beathan Vale: I believe that electing a xenophobe as LRA, one who included hostility to new citizens as the centerpiece of her campaign, is not jsut the wrong message, it is downright awful
[2011/12/03 10:29] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory thinks Pat should have the right to cast his own vote
[2011/12/03 10:30] Pip Torok: Pip Torok thinks as Bromo
[2011/12/03 10:30] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory agrees with Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:30] Rosie Gray: perhaps if we accept his vote for the interim, untill there is a full vote?
[2011/12/03 10:30] Shep Titian: He asked for 7 days as stated
[2011/12/03 10:30] Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen just shakes her head
[2011/12/03 10:30] Beathan Vale: he did vote on the forums. I think we accept that vote, as LRA for what should be a short term until we can have a legitimate election by havinig a full by-election
[2011/12/03 10:31] Delia Lake: the issue for you all to decide now is whether Pat's vote will wait the 7 days or whether the procedure rules of the RA allow his vote via the Forum to be counted
[2011/12/03 10:31] Vespasian Cortes: so wheres the new cancellor today?? (wonders why he does not show up)
[2011/12/03 10:31] Rosie Gray: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 639#p18854
[2011/12/03 10:31] Bromo Ivory: The nominations didn't happen until now.
[2011/12/03 10:31] Rosie Gray: Vespasian, Trebor said he might not be able to make it
[2011/12/03 10:31] Bromo Ivory: How can Pat vote on someone who wasn't nominated?
[2011/12/03 10:31] Anna Toussaint: they happened at the informal meeting, Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:31] Pip Torok: ??
[2011/12/03 10:31] Anna Toussaint: the one you didn't see fit to nattend
[2011/12/03 10:32] Beathan Vale: yes -- that's an issue Bromo -- but I think we can overlook the timing irregularity
[2011/12/03 10:32] Anna Toussaint: Shep declared
[2011/12/03 10:32] Anna Toussaint: so did I
[2011/12/03 10:32] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory thinks the nominations didn't happen until now - there might have been another nomination today
[2011/12/03 10:32] Rosie Gray: can we proceed with Anna as LRA nominate for this one meeting, until we have Pat's official vote?
[2011/12/03 10:32] Shep Titian: I have his forum post
[2011/12/03 10:32] Rosie Gray: just so that we can have a meeting?
[2011/12/03 10:33] josjoha: i agree with Rosie's proposal
[2011/12/03 10:33] Rosie Gray: I just posted the link, above to his forum posting
[2011/12/03 10:33] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory wonders the legality
[2011/12/03 10:33] Beathan Vale: Anna -- I think that doing official RA business at "informal meetings" is completely improper and unconstitutional -- and if you are going down that road as LRA, we have a second serious problem with your leadership
[2011/12/03 10:33] Callipygian Christensen: His post states 'if not' to being granted a 7 day vote. I believe he is clear on that.
[2011/12/03 10:33] Anna Toussaint: I think you are right, Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:33] Pip Torok: Pip Torok agrees with Rosie's proposal
[2011/12/03 10:33] Anna Toussaint: just trying to move things along
[2011/12/03 10:33] Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen raises her hand to speak as a citizen
[2011/12/03 10:33] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory completely disagrees with Rosie
[2011/12/03 10:34] Anna Toussaint: there is no moderator to recognize Calli
[2011/12/03 10:34] Pip Torok: Pip Torok sighs
[2011/12/03 10:34] Anna Toussaint: go ahead, calli
[2011/12/03 10:34] Rosie Gray: please speak, Calli
[2011/12/03 10:34] Callipygian Christensen: I'll wait for permisson from ALL then
[2011/12/03 10:34] josjoha: but if there is disagreement, seems there is, i guess better adjourn
[2011/12/03 10:34] Shep Titian: Ok Calli
[2011/12/03 10:34] Beathan Vale: I propose we recognize Anna as LRA and move that she take her seat and chair this meeting from this point on
[2011/12/03 10:34] Anna Toussaint: beathan?
[2011/12/03 10:35] Anna Toussaint: would you allow calli the floor?
[2011/12/03 10:35] Rosie Gray: so, thank you for seconding my proposal Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:35] Pip Torok: Beathan it needs an RA member to propose that .. ;|
[2011/12/03 10:35] Beathan Vale: I don't see what the issue is and I think that is chair decision
[2011/12/03 10:35] Anna Toussaint: I am not the chair, yet
[2011/12/03 10:35] Anna Toussaint: it is a chair decisionk, though
[2011/12/03 10:35] Delia Lake: Delia Lake points out that as RA Archivist Pat also requested that someone please record this meeting for him so the transcript can be posted
[2011/12/03 10:35] Anna Toussaint: Calli, go ahead
[2011/12/03 10:35] Beathan Vale: I think thre is a motion to make you chair -- let's vote on it and move on
[2011/12/03 10:36] Rosie Gray: Rosie Gray sighs
[2011/12/03 10:36] Anna Toussaint: I will post tghe transcrit, Delia
[2011/12/03 10:36] Anna Toussaint: ok, is everyone agreed I will be chair until the 7 day vote is over?
[2011/12/03 10:36] Rosie Gray: yes
[2011/12/03 10:37] Shep Titian: Aye
[2011/12/03 10:37] Beathan Vale: yes
[2011/12/03 10:37] Anna Toussaint: ok, the 16th RA is now in session.
[2011/12/03 10:37] Beathan Vale: I think that the session began with the swearing in and expect the transcript to reflect that
[2011/12/03 10:37] Anna Toussaint: the first order of business is to consider the budget as revised by Trebor
[2011/12/03 10:37] Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen waits patiently
[2011/12/03 10:37] Pip Torok: Pip Torok quietly celebrates the start of session
[2011/12/03 10:37] Anna Toussaint: kk
[2011/12/03 10:38] Anna Toussaint: good point, Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:38] Beathan Vale: we had Delia as temporary chair
[2011/12/03 10:38] Anna Toussaint: the chair recognizes Calli
[2011/12/03 10:38] Beathan Vale: at a minimum it started with the call of the LRA vote
[2011/12/03 10:38] Anna Toussaint: sorry, dear
[2011/12/03 10:38] Callipygian Christensen: thank you
[2011/12/03 10:38] Anna Toussaint: ok
[2011/12/03 10:38] Callipygian Christensen: First:You are 4 elected adults, and until such time as any legislation you plan to put forward passes Beathan, you are all here to reperesent the people. Get over the grandstanding and get on with your work..all of you.
[2011/12/03 10:38] Anna Toussaint: I will post the whole damn thing
[2011/12/03 10:38] Tor Karlsvalt: Tor Karlsvalt notes that Pat requested that he be named RA Archivist.
[2011/12/03 10:38] Shep Titian: I believe Calli still wishes to speak Madam Chair
[2011/12/03 10:39] Anna Toussaint: Calli still has the floor, everyone
[2011/12/03 10:39] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Guillaume Mistwalker (19m)
[2011/12/03 10:39] Anna Toussaint: Calli?
[2011/12/03 10:39] Callipygian Christensen: Second: Beathan, you just insulted another sitting meber of the RA based on your interpetation of their cmapaign..you sir, are a hypocrite and I wouldd suggest an equally poor choice to represent the citizens of CDS
[2011/12/03 10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: hi G
[2011/12/03 10:39] Anna Toussaint: Hi, G
[2011/12/03 10:39] Callipygian Christensen: Done
[2011/12/03 10:39] Rosie Gray: hi Guill
[2011/12/03 10:39] Anna Toussaint: thank you, Calli
[2011/12/03 10:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hahaha, I love when I come into people correcting others...
[2011/12/03 10:40] Anna Toussaint: the first order of business is the consideration of the budget
[2011/12/03 10:40] josjoha: hi Gaius
[2011/12/03 10:40] Bromo Ivory: Is it me or is Guillermo not wearing pants?
[2011/12/03 10:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Hello, all.
[2011/12/03 10:40] Beathan Vale: Read her platform Calli -- and I think we still need to confirm you for SC -- and you are incompetent, impertinent and generally offensive
[2011/12/03 10:40] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Trebor Warcliffe (18m)
[2011/12/03 10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Hi Trebor
[2011/12/03 10:40] josjoha: hi Treb !
[2011/12/03 10:40] Vespasian Cortes: hi trebor
[2011/12/03 10:40] Anna Toussaint: ?Beathan, you do not have the floor
[2011/12/03 10:40] Vespasian Cortes: hi tiberius
[2011/12/03 10:40] Shep Titian: No none Bromo
[2011/12/03 10:40] Callipygian Christensen: Callipygian Christensen smiles
[2011/12/03 10:40] Anna Toussaint: do you request it?
[2011/12/03 10:40] Guillaume Mistwalker: Haha, Beathan, do try to be kind.
[2011/12/03 10:40] Pip Torok: Pip Torok wonders about Beathan ...
[2011/12/03 10:41] Beathan Vale: As a member of the RA, I will speak freely and do not recognize the power of the LRA to stifle debate by and among RA members
[2011/12/03 10:41] Guillaume Mistwalker: Wow, and I'm still being slandered as being the anarchist here...?!
[2011/12/03 10:41] Anna Toussaint: I will give anybody the floor wwho requests it
[2011/12/03 10:41] Callipygian Christensen: Gaius, hush, he is entitled to his opinion
[2011/12/03 10:41] josjoha: (please be kind & gentle)
[2011/12/03 10:41] Beathan Vale: It has always been our tradition to allow RA members to speak freely, and that will not change
[2011/12/03 10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: haha
[2011/12/03 10:41] Anna Toussaint: now, we will move onto the stated business
[2011/12/03 10:41] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory just wondered if G was wearing pants, not anarchy
[2011/12/03 10:42] Anna Toussaint: can I have a motion to approve Trebor's budget as ammended?
[2011/12/03 10:42] Rosie Gray: I see him wearing a toga
[2011/12/03 10:42] Anna Toussaint: if it gets a second, we will discuss it
[2011/12/03 10:42] Anna Toussaint: and perhaps amend it
[2011/12/03 10:42] Rosie Gray: I move to accept the new Chancellor's budget
[2011/12/03 10:42] Anna Toussaint: is there a second?
[2011/12/03 10:43] Beathan Vale: I move that we send the Chancellor budget back for further work
[2011/12/03 10:43] Anna Toussaint: there is a motion on the floor, beathan
[2011/12/03 10:43] Shep Titian: I second
[2011/12/03 10:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: I was under the impression there was already a motion...
[2011/12/03 10:43] Beathan Vale: Shep -- which motion was seconded
[2011/12/03 10:43] Anna Toussaint: thank you shep
[2011/12/03 10:43] Shep Titian: oop
[2011/12/03 10:43] Beathan Vale: There is no motion on the floor until seconoded
[2011/12/03 10:43] Anna Toussaint: she seconded it
[2011/12/03 10:43] Guillaume Mistwalker: There is no vote until a motion is seconded...
[2011/12/03 10:44] Bromo Ivory: Did she?
[2011/12/03 10:44] Anna Toussaint: so, let us discuss it
[2011/12/03 10:44] Trebor Warcliffe: I apologize for being late I had to travel from school to home
[2011/12/03 10:44] Beathan Vale: No -- the second was ambiguous
[2011/12/03 10:44] Anna Toussaint: she said "I second it"
[2011/12/03 10:44] Shep Titian: Beathan .. I'm sorry .. my eagerness got the better of me
[2011/12/03 10:44] Bromo Ivory: I think she thought she was seconding Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:44] Beathan Vale: OK -- that's fine
[2011/12/03 10:44] Anna Toussaint: ah
[2011/12/03 10:44] Anna Toussaint: lets discuss it
[2011/12/03 10:44] Rosie Gray: Shep, can you please clarify which motion you are seconding?
[2011/12/03 10:44] Anna Toussaint: we can always vote it down and then move on Beathan's motion
[2011/12/03 10:45] Anna Toussaint: is that ok with everyone
[2011/12/03 10:45] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[2011/12/03 10:45] Shep Titian: I did .. Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:45] Beathan Vale: I move to reject the budget as proposed and send it back for addition of a line item for creation of a general reserve and a second reserve earmarked for expansion and redevelopment
[2011/12/03 10:45] Anna Toussaint: now that Trebor is here we can talk abnout it
[2011/12/03 10:45] Rosie Gray: is that a third motion, Beathan?
[2011/12/03 10:45] Pip Torok: Pip Torok wonders whether nested Motions are Beathan's Stock-in-Trade
[2011/12/03 10:45] Beathan Vale: That is a subordinate motion to your motion, Rosie
[2011/12/03 10:45] Anna Toussaint: so, shep has stated she was seconding Beathans
[2011/12/03 10:46] Anna Toussaint: that is the motion that is on the floor
[2011/12/03 10:46] Beathan Vale: OK -- then we can debate my motion
[2011/12/03 10:46] Anna Toussaint: beathan, will you read it back?
[2011/12/03 10:46] Beathan Vale: Which is to send the budget back with instructions
[2011/12/03 10:46] Anna Toussaint: kk
[2011/12/03 10:46] Anna Toussaint: discussion?
[2011/12/03 10:46] Beathan Vale: "I move that we send the Chancellor budget back for further work"
[2011/12/03 10:46] Anna Toussaint: thanks, B
[2011/12/03 10:46] Rosie Gray: what type of work are you suggesting?
[2011/12/03 10:47] Beathan Vale: We should ask the Chancellor to add two reserve line items -- a general reserve and an expansion/redevelopment reserve
[2011/12/03 10:47] Anna Toussaint: that would be a separate motion
[2011/12/03 10:47] Trebor Warcliffe: I am present so I can attempt to answer any questions the RA or citizens may have.
[2011/12/03 10:47] Anna Toussaint: or we need to amend it, Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:47] Beathan Vale: additionally, there is debate on both stipends and the event budget, so those should perhaps be broken out and not presented as parts of an omnibus budget
[2011/12/03 10:47] Trebor Warcliffe: May I answer Beathan?
[2011/12/03 10:48] Rosie Gray: Rosie Gray raises hand
[2011/12/03 10:48] Anna Toussaint: You may, Trebor
[2011/12/03 10:48] Trebor Warcliffe: Now?
[2011/12/03 10:48] Anna Toussaint: Rosie, you're next
[2011/12/03 10:48] Anna Toussaint: yes
[2011/12/03 10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan we already have a General Reserve account. I don't feel it is necessary to have a seperate account for expansion becuase most likely the funds for expansion will come from the General Reserve Account.
[2011/12/03 10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: What we will need to do
[2011/12/03 10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: as we expand
[2011/12/03 10:49] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
[2011/12/03 10:49] Anna Toussaint: asre you done, Trebor?
[2011/12/03 10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: is account for every linden we spend which is something we already do
[2011/12/03 10:49] Trebor Warcliffe: DONE
[2011/12/03 10:49] Anna Toussaint: sorry
[2011/12/03 10:49] Anna Toussaint:
[2011/12/03 10:49] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
[2011/12/03 10:50] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Patroklus Murakami (5m)
[2011/12/03 10:50] Rosie Gray: I was just going to ask Trebor what he has just clarified
[2011/12/03 10:50] Anna Toussaint: Pat is here
[2011/12/03 10:50] Beathan Vale: Trebor, thank you -- but that is not my issue -- I want to make sure that we plan such that we have resources to do what we want to do in the future
[2011/12/03 10:50] Rosie Gray: so, pass for now
[2011/12/03 10:50] Patroklus Murakami: hi folks
[2011/12/03 10:50] Rosie Gray: hi Pat
[2011/12/03 10:50] Anna Toussaint: take a seat, Pat
[2011/12/03 10:50] Pip Torok: hi Pat ... youve been missed!
[2011/12/03 10:50] Trebor Warcliffe: And we do Beathan
[2011/12/03 10:51] Shep Titian: Hi Pat
[2011/12/03 10:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Maybe I'm not quite understanding what you're asking of me.
[2011/12/03 10:51] Beathan Vale: We are not planning for them -- we are relying on past planning, and that is not what I want to do
[2011/12/03 10:51] Patroklus Murakami: I can't sit. on an iPad
[2011/12/03 10:51] Anna Toussaint: because the vote for LRA is still open, we will return to that after this matter is disposed of
[2011/12/03 10:51] Anna Toussaint:
[2011/12/03 10:51] Trebor Warcliffe: Planning for what specifically Beathan?
[2011/12/03 10:51] Beathan Vale: sim redevelopment, purchase and expansion
[2011/12/03 10:52] Trebor Warcliffe: ok
[2011/12/03 10:52] Beathan Vale: those are costly activitiees
[2011/12/03 10:52] Trebor Warcliffe: And when should we begin planning for this? We've been "talking" about it for years
[2011/12/03 10:52] Beathan Vale: well -- Pat has an interesting proposal to turn talk into action -- I'd start there
[2011/12/03 10:52] Anna Toussaint: Pat, there is a motion on the floor, Beathans, that we are discussing: "I move that we send the Chancellor budget back for further work"
[2011/12/03 10:53] Anna Toussaint: Pat?
[2011/12/03 10:53] Patroklus Murakami: we were distracted by union w AA for a few years
[2011/12/03 10:53] Beathan Vale: We now, thanks to Cleos' efforts, have a lot a good new citizens -- and we should keep trying to bring in more
[2011/12/03 10:53] Trebor Warcliffe: Wouldn't the time to plan be when we are ready to expand?
[2011/12/03 10:53] Patroklus Murakami: we don't need to approve a budget today
[2011/12/03 10:53] Beathan Vale: No -- the time to plan is NOT then -- it is BEFORE then
[2011/12/03 10:53] Anna Toussaint: no, we do not
[2011/12/03 10:53] Anna Toussaint: there is a motion on the floor
[2011/12/03 10:53] Patroklus Murakami: it d b unusual to do so
[2011/12/03 10:54] Anna Toussaint: when do we pay the tier to LL, Trebor?
[2011/12/03 10:54] Tor Karlsvalt: The RA has 14 days to approve the budget or send it back to the chancellor
[2011/12/03 10:54] Rosie Gray: it is unusual to have one presented right away
[2011/12/03 10:54] Patroklus Murakami: let's discuss the issues and decide when agreed
[2011/12/03 10:54] Anna Toussaint: we are in the process of deciding, Tor, when to send it back
[2011/12/03 10:54] Beathan Vale: We can also pass noncontroversial budget items individually
[2011/12/03 10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Ill stop my seperate chat with Beathan for now
[2011/12/03 10:54] Anna Toussaint: there is a motion on the floor to send it back
[2011/12/03 10:54] Trebor Warcliffe: Let me check my financial records for when we pay LL
[2011/12/03 10:54] Anna Toussaint: thank you Treb
[2011/12/03 10:54] Beathan Vale: I think we should certainly authotize payment of tier pending approval of the omnibus budget
[2011/12/03 10:54] Anna Toussaint: the constitution says we have 14 days
[2011/12/03 10:55] Tor Karlsvalt: Payment of the tier does not need the RA to approve the budget
[2011/12/03 10:55] Anna Toussaint: we do not need to vote authorization yet
[2011/12/03 10:55] Anna Toussaint: ah
[2011/12/03 10:55] Beathan Vale: If we need to, I don't even know that we need to
[2011/12/03 10:55] Anna Toussaint: thank you, tor
[2011/12/03 10:55] Anna Toussaint: so, there is a motion on the floor
[2011/12/03 10:55] Anna Toussaint: are we ready to vote?
[2011/12/03 10:55] Rosie Gray: Rosie Gray raises hand
[2011/12/03 10:55] Beathan Vale: Not yet
[2011/12/03 10:55] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
[2011/12/03 10:56] Beathan Vale: A little more discussion would help
[2011/12/03 10:56] Tor Karlsvalt: brb
[2011/12/03 10:56] Anna Toussaint: ok
[2011/12/03 10:56] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
[2011/12/03 10:56] Rosie Gray: I would like to know what the procedure will be for discussing changes to the budget
[2011/12/03 10:56] Anna Toussaint: Beathan?
[2011/12/03 10:56] Anna Toussaint: any ideas?
[2011/12/03 10:56] Rosie Gray: rather than having Beathan dictate what he wants
[2011/12/03 10:56] Beathan Vale: LOL
[2011/12/03 10:56] Anna Toussaint: hehe
[2011/12/03 10:56] Rosie Gray: done
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[2011/12/03 10:56] Beathan Vale: I don't think I'm doing that
[2011/12/03 10:56] Guillaume Mistwalker: Answer the question.
[2011/12/03 10:57] Anna Toussaint: Beathan, aany procedural ideas?
[2011/12/03 10:57] Beathan Vale: We can have the budget presented in parts for up and down vote
[2011/12/03 10:57] Beathan Vale: Trebor's budget is already well set up for that
[2011/12/03 10:57] Anna Toussaint: that is a possibility
[2011/12/03 10:57] Beathan Vale: I would like to see one or two additional items added
[2011/12/03 10:57] Anna Toussaint: It would require a motion, and a plan to partition
[2011/12/03 10:57] Beathan Vale: Then we can vote on each spending component separately, building a budget frmo what passes
[2011/12/03 10:58] Anna Toussaint: so, Rosie, what do you think of that idea?
[2011/12/03 10:58] Rosie Gray: yes that sounds workable
[2011/12/03 10:58] Beathan Vale: that would allow some folks to vote agaisnt stipends without voting against events, anc vice versa
[2011/12/03 10:58] Anna Toussaint: ok, so there is a motion on the floor
[2011/12/03 10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: Raises hand with question
[2011/12/03 10:58] Anna Toussaint: Trebor?
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[2011/12/03 10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: Where would this voting take place?
[2011/12/03 10:58] Anna Toussaint: Hi, again, Pat
[2011/12/03 10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: If we can come to agreement in the forums as we go
[2011/12/03 10:58] Trebor Warcliffe: i can see this method working
[2011/12/03 10:58] Anna Toussaint: in the duly appouined meetings of the RA
[2011/12/03 10:59] Beathan Vale: Agree with Anna
[2011/12/03 10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: but if we have to wait for a meeting to vote on each and every topics before they're all accepted
[2011/12/03 10:59] Trebor Warcliffe: this coudl drag on for the whole term
[2011/12/03 10:59] Patroklus Murakami: I would prefer to vote on the budget as a whole once Trebor has taken
[2011/12/03 10:59] Beathan Vale: no -- the vote would have to be within 2 weeks
[2011/12/03 10:59] Anna Toussaint: we can vote more than one at a time
[2011/12/03 10:59] Beathan Vale: anything not approved by then is out of the budget
[2011/12/03 10:59] Anna Toussaint: yes, you are correct, Beathen
[2011/12/03 10:59] Patroklus Murakami: latest feedback into account
[2011/12/03 10:59] Pip Torok: Pip Torok believes Trebor has made an excellent point
[2011/12/03 11:00] Shep Titian: That sounds like a plan
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: unless we bot a conytinuance
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: vote
[2011/12/03 11:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Can I ask that we do try to resolve all issues in the forum that way when the budget is presented it is ready to be voted on?
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: we can certainly try, treb
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: now
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: are we ready to vote?
[2011/12/03 11:00] Patroklus Murakami: yes Trebor
[2011/12/03 11:00] Trebor Warcliffe: Thats my fear, a constant send back
[2011/12/03 11:00] Trebor Warcliffe: TU Done
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: thanks,. treb
[2011/12/03 11:00] Anna Toussaint: are we ready to vote?
[2011/12/03 11:01] Rosie Gray: yes
[2011/12/03 11:01] Patroklus Murakami: motion pls? yes, ready to vote
[2011/12/03 11:01] Anna Toussaint: "I move that we send the Chancellor budget back for further work"
[2011/12/03 11:01] Anna Toussaint: all in favor, say "yes"
[2011/12/03 11:01] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[2011/12/03 11:01] Beathan Vale: aye
[2011/12/03 11:01] Anna Toussaint: or "aye"
[2011/12/03 11:01] Rosie Gray: nay
[2011/12/03 11:01] Shep Titian: Aye
[2011/12/03 11:02] Anna Toussaint: the chair botes nay
[2011/12/03 11:02] Anna Toussaint: the ayes have it
[2011/12/03 11:02] Anna Toussaint: now, I will entertain a motion that we appove the budget piecemeal
[2011/12/03 11:02] Trebor Warcliffe: May I ask what work do I still need to do please?
[2011/12/03 11:02] Trebor Warcliffe: sorry
[2011/12/03 11:02] Anna Toussaint: it must have a plan for partition
[2011/12/03 11:02] Anna Toussaint: of the budget
[2011/12/03 11:02] Beathan Vale: so moved
[2011/12/03 11:03] Anna Toussaint: what is the plan, B>
[2011/12/03 11:03] Anna Toussaint: ?
[2011/12/03 11:03] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory wonders about the implications of the word "entertain"
[2011/12/03 11:03] Anna Toussaint: that's roberts rules talk, Bromo
[2011/12/03 11:03] Patroklus Murakami: Trebor. pls take into account our comments and come back w a revision most can support. I'm happy to approve a compromise budget
[2011/12/03 11:03] Pip Torok:
[2011/12/03 11:03] Beathan Vale: I move that Trebor present his budget in discrete parts -- based on it budget items -- adding expansioin planning as an item -- for an up/down vote on all items of discretionary budget
[2011/12/03 11:03] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory nods "ahh yes"
[2011/12/03 11:04] Anna Toussaint:
[2011/12/03 11:04] Anna Toussaint: ok there is a motion
[2011/12/03 11:04] Anna Toussaint: is there a second?
[2011/12/03 11:04] Shep Titian: Second
[2011/12/03 11:04] Anna Toussaint: it has been moved and seconded
[2011/12/03 11:04] Anna Toussaint: discusssion?
[2011/12/03 11:04] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[2011/12/03 11:05] Beathan Vale: I think that this proposal allows RA candidates to vote based on campaign promises without opposing budget in toto
[2011/12/03 11:05] Anna Toussaint: treb?
[2011/12/03 11:05] Patroklus Murakami: I think the RA should approve a budget w an overall design not pick and mix
[2011/12/03 11:05] Anna Toussaint: treb?
[2011/12/03 11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: I need a list of what I am addressing in regards to the budget. So far I understand that I need to budget for an expansion that isnt in the works yet is that correct?
[2011/12/03 11:06] Beathan Vale: Pat -- we can pass it that way -- voting to add each item to a total budget and then passing total budget in the end in a final over-all vote
[2011/12/03 11:06] Anna Toussaint: that is Beathan's suggestion, Treb
[2011/12/03 11:06] Anna Toussaint: you do not have to include any money in that section
[2011/12/03 11:06] Trebor Warcliffe: What?
[2011/12/03 11:06] Anna Toussaint: of course, Beathan doesn't have to vote for it either
[2011/12/03 11:06] Patroklus Murakami: and take into account all views expressed on event budget and stipends. not just mine
[2011/12/03 11:06] Anna Toussaint: the planning moneys
[2011/12/03 11:07] Trebor Warcliffe: That's what a budget is, money.
[2011/12/03 11:07] Beathan Vale: And we can amend each item on motion, as usual
[2011/12/03 11:07] Anna Toussaint: People, it is a given that not everyone is going to be satisfied
[2011/12/03 11:07] Rosie Gray: you could add a line item with $0
[2011/12/03 11:07] Anna Toussaint: yes, Beathan
[2011/12/03 11:07] Trebor Warcliffe: Now you're confusing hte hell out of me. Beathan wants a budget for sim expansion, yes or no?
[2011/12/03 11:07] Anna Toussaint: that is the motion as I understand it.
[2011/12/03 11:08] Anna Toussaint: he does, but the RA has not voted on it
[2011/12/03 11:08] Rosie Gray: that is my understanding of it
[2011/12/03 11:08] Anna Toussaint: its just sutggestion until it does
[2011/12/03 11:08] Beathan Vale: Trebor -- I do, but it is your proposed budget -- if you don't want that, have an item, make it $0 -- and the RA and vote to accept or increase
[2011/12/03 11:08] Delia Lake: Delia Lake can't help but wonder if a budget item with $0 alotted will then mean that $0 is what will be spent on that item....
[2011/12/03 11:08] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2011/12/03 11:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Exactly delia
[2011/12/03 11:08] Trebor Warcliffe: thank you
[2011/12/03 11:08] Anna Toussaint: the RA can always amend the budget, Delia
[2011/12/03 11:08] Patroklus Murakami: we shd consider sim expansion separately
[2011/12/03 11:08] Trebor Warcliffe: Expansion
[2011/12/03 11:08] Trebor Warcliffe: should be a discussion
[2011/12/03 11:08] Bromo Ivory: Bromo Ivory thinks this looks a lot like my monthly budget in RL with all the $0 entries!
[2011/12/03 11:09] Trebor Warcliffe: totally separate from out WORKING budget
[2011/12/03 11:09] Anna Toussaint: hehe
[2011/12/03 11:09] Beathan Vale: Yes -- Pat, but we should budget for it on budget
[2011/12/03 11:09] Beathan Vale: Trebor -- no -- reserves for expansion are often in working budgets
[2011/12/03 11:09] Anna Toussaint: klet nme remind the body that the mortion under discussion is not about the expansion
[2011/12/03 11:09] Trebor Warcliffe: Ok so I can assume than that we are goign to expand this term and I need to budget accordingly?
[2011/12/03 11:09] Guillaume Mistwalker: I wasn't aware that the RA had formally set to work on creating a new sim.
[2011/12/03 11:09] Beathan Vale: otherwise, all the money is working and people get stuck with no reserve for expansion
[2011/12/03 11:09] Anna Toussaint: the discussion is about Beathan'\s motion
[2011/12/03 11:10] Anna Toussaint: any further discussion of the motion at hand?
[2011/12/03 11:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Beathan as responsible citizens we're not going to allow for the depletion of reserves
[2011/12/03 11:10] Anna Toussaint: Trebor
[2011/12/03 11:10] Patroklus Murakami: I disagree w beathans motion
[2011/12/03 11:10] Anna Toussaint: ok
[2011/12/03 11:10] Trebor Warcliffe: Yes Anna?
[2011/12/03 11:10] Rosie Gray: Rosie Gray raises hand
[2011/12/03 11:10] Anna Toussaint: the motion under discussion is about partition
[2011/12/03 11:10] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
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[2011/12/03 11:11] Patroklus Murakami: the budget shd have coherence. so we vote on Trevor's proposal in total. or we r taking over budgeting from exec
[2011/12/03 11:11] Rosie Gray: perhaps Trebor could tell us how much money we actually have on reserve, that is not required for monthly expenses
[2011/12/03 11:11] Rosie Gray: dne
[2011/12/03 11:11] Guillaume Mistwalker: Welcome back, Tor.
[2011/12/03 11:11] Anna Toussaint: Treb?
[2011/12/03 11:11] Beathan Vale: Pat -- I agree -- and we should pass it that way, but that does not mean that it should come to us that way
[2011/12/03 11:11] Anna Toussaint: how much?
[2011/12/03 11:11] Trebor Warcliffe: Hold on please
[2011/12/03 11:11] Tor Karlsvalt: I know I missed stuff
[2011/12/03 11:12] Guillaume Mistwalker: Trebor's budget was sent back.
[2011/12/03 11:12] Anna Toussaint: Because the motion has nothing to do with expansion, I will call for a vote
[2011/12/03 11:12] Anna Toussaint: all in favor of Beathan's motion, say aye
[2011/12/03 11:12] Beathan Vale: aye
[2011/12/03 11:12] Patroklus Murakami: nay
[2011/12/03 11:12] Rosie Gray: nay
[2011/12/03 11:12] Anna Toussaint: Shep?
[2011/12/03 11:12] Trebor Warcliffe: Back
[2011/12/03 11:13] Shep Titian: Aye
[2011/12/03 11:13] Trebor Warcliffe: Let me knwo when you're ready
[2011/12/03 11:13] Anna Toussaint: the chair votes nay
[2011/12/03 11:13] Anna Toussaint: motion denied
[2011/12/03 11:13] Anna Toussaint: we still need a procedural motion
[2011/12/03 11:13] Anna Toussaint: go ahead treb\
[2011/12/03 11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: tu
[2011/12/03 11:14] Trebor Warcliffe: Currently in our reserves account we have
[2011/12/03 11:15] Trebor Warcliffe: US$ 9,941
[2011/12/03 11:15] Anna Toussaint: thank you
[2011/12/03 11:15] Trebor Warcliffe: We are required to keep 2 months of reserves for each sim
[2011/12/03 11:15] Trebor Warcliffe: that would be...
[2011/12/03 11:15] Guillaume Mistwalker: Jèsus-Christ...
[2011/12/03 11:15] Anna Toussaint: does anybody have the cost of expanding into a new sim?
[2011/12/03 11:15] Anna Toussaint: quiet in the peanut gallery
[2011/12/03 11:16] Anna Toussaint:
[2011/12/03 11:16] Trebor Warcliffe: US$ 2150
[2011/12/03 11:16] Pip Torok:
[2011/12/03 11:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Treb is there stilll an operationg fund?
[2011/12/03 11:16] Trebor Warcliffe: Anna as far as expansion Id go with a used sim
[2011/12/03 11:16] Anna Toussaint: how much would that be?
[2011/12/03 11:16] Beathan Vale: Agree with Treb
[2011/12/03 11:16] Callipygian Christensen: purchase on the after-market currently is around 400Us, I believe - purchase of a sim and a year of tier would be about 4k in total approximately
[2011/12/03 11:16] Trebor Warcliffe: I will be submitting a proposal to the RA probably by next meeting
[2011/12/03 11:16] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[2011/12/03 11:16] Rosie Gray: Rosie Gray raises hand
[2011/12/03 11:16] Anna Toussaint: so, our reserves can handle a sim expansion
[2011/12/03 11:16] Anna Toussaint: tor, then rosie
[2011/12/03 11:17] Trebor Warcliffe: yes and we will have 2 months in reserves for the new sims also
[2011/12/03 11:17] Anna Toussaint: thank you
[2011/12/03 11:17] Anna Toussaint: rosie?
[2011/12/03 11:17] Guillaume Mistwalker: Whew, that's a lot of money to spend.
[2011/12/03 11:17] Beathan Vale: But not the 1 sim each 6 months idea Pat floated
[2011/12/03 11:17] Shep Titian: Is two months enough?
[2011/12/03 11:17] Anna Toussaint: we might have to modify that
[2011/12/03 11:17] Anna Toussaint: that is the requirement, Shep
[2011/12/03 11:17] Tor Karlsvalt: did i miss my turn?
[2011/12/03 11:17] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
[2011/12/03 11:17] Rosie Gray: this seems to me that there is plenty of money in the reserves to expand, and that the discussion should be
[2011/12/03 11:17] Anna Toussaint: you used it
[2011/12/03 11:18] Rosie Gray: whether we want to expand, and how tht will be accomplished
[2011/12/03 11:18] Rosie Gray: which is not part of ratifying the budget at this time
[2011/12/03 11:18] Rosie Gray: and Shep, yes two months reserve is what is required
[2011/12/03 11:18] Anna Toussaint: no, you are correct,. Anna
[2011/12/03 11:18] Anna Toussaint: oops
[2011/12/03 11:18] Rosie Gray: lol
[2011/12/03 11:18] Anna Toussaint: Beathan
[2011/12/03 11:19] Rosie Gray: okay, Im done
[2011/12/03 11:19] Anna Toussaint: Rosie?
[2011/12/03 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: correct Rosie, the budget we are voting on is an operating budget
[2011/12/03 11:19] Anna Toussaint: ok
[2011/12/03 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: a budget for expansion is a seperate issue in my opinion
[2011/12/03 11:19] Anna Toussaint: so .. let us backtrack now that Pat is here ...
[2011/12/03 11:19] Anna Toussaint: the vote is still on the table for LRA
[2011/12/03 11:19] Trebor Warcliffe: adn now that I am here also thank you hehe
[2011/12/03 11:19] Shep Titian: I did'nt ask what is required lol
[2011/12/03 11:19] Anna Toussaint: hehe
[2011/12/03 11:19] Anna Toussaint: Pat, are you still there?
[2011/12/03 11:20] Beathan Vale: move to confirm LRA vote by having pat cast his vote in meeting
[2011/12/03 11:20] Patroklus Murakami: yup
[2011/12/03 11:20] Anna Toussaint: thank you, Beathan
[2011/12/03 11:20] Rosie Gray: second the motion
[2011/12/03 11:20] Tor Karlsvalt: I know I missed a bit of the discussion, but I would like to point out that as Rosie suggests money for expansion or monthly LL tier on the sims is not the subject of the Budget per the law.
[2011/12/03 11:20] Anna Toussaint: all in favor of the motion , say aye
[2011/12/03 11:20] Beathan Vale: aye
[2011/12/03 11:20] Anna Toussaint: Tor, that is out of order at the moment
[2011/12/03 11:20] Rosie Gray: aye
[2011/12/03 11:20] Anna Toussaint: aye
[2011/12/03 11:20] Anna Toussaint: the motion is to contine the vote for LRA
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[2011/12/03 11:21] Patroklus Murakami: scores so far?
[2011/12/03 11:21] Shep Titian: Aye
[2011/12/03 11:21] Anna Toussaint: the vote stands, Pat, at 2 for me and 2 for Shep
[2011/12/03 11:21] Beathan Vale: Pat -- we counted your forum vote -- it was 3 Anna; 2 Shep that way -- but we want to be sure your vote follows the formal nomination
[2011/12/03 11:22] Patroklus Murakami: I vote for Anna
[2011/12/03 11:22] Anna Toussaint: yup
[2011/12/03 11:22] Anna Toussaint: Anna, whoever she is, is confirmed as LRA
[2011/12/03 11:22] Anna Toussaint: now
[2011/12/03 11:22] Rosie Gray: ㋡
[2011/12/03 11:22] Anna Toussaint: I would like a LRA Pro Tempore
[2011/12/03 11:22] Pip Torok: APPLAUSE
[2011/12/03 11:22] Anna Toussaint: who would like to fill that position
[2011/12/03 11:22] Anna Toussaint: ?
[2011/12/03 11:23] Pip Torok: Pip Torok nominates Rosie
[2011/12/03 11:23] Beathan Vale: I move that Shep be LRA pro tem
[2011/12/03 11:23] Patroklus Murakami: I would like to nominate Shep
[2011/12/03 11:23] Beathan Vale: Second
[2011/12/03 11:23] Anna Toussaint: is there another nomination?
[2011/12/03 11:23] Guillaume Mistwalker: In the past, hasn't the LRA pro tempore simply been delegated upon the absence of the LRA?
[2011/12/03 11:24] Rosie Gray: out of order, Guillaume
[2011/12/03 11:24] Anna Toussaint: that is not how we are going to do it this term
[2011/12/03 11:24] Patroklus Murakami: and Rosie as third LRA pro tem if she will accep he post
[2011/12/03 11:24] Rosie Gray: I decline, but thank you
[2011/12/03 11:24] Patroklus Murakami: understood
[2011/12/03 11:24] Anna Toussaint: ok, so there is one nomination... any more?
[2011/12/03 11:24] Anna Toussaint: all in favor of Shep as LRA Pro Tempore, say aye
[2011/12/03 11:24] Rosie Gray: aye
[2011/12/03 11:25] Shep Titian: Aye
[2011/12/03 11:25] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[2011/12/03 11:25] Beathan Vale: aye
[2011/12/03 11:25] Anna Toussaint: the chair votes "aye"
[2011/12/03 11:25] Anna Toussaint: Shep is LRA pro tempore
[2011/12/03 11:25] Anna Toussaint: congrats, Shep
[2011/12/03 11:25] Shep Titian: Trips up Anna
[2011/12/03 11:25] Shep Titian: Kidding lol
[2011/12/03 11:26] Shep Titian: thank you all
[2011/12/03 11:26] Anna Toussaint: Now. We move to the question of our normal meeting place
[2011/12/03 11:26] Anna Toussaint:
[2011/12/03 11:26] Anna Toussaint: oops time
[2011/12/03 11:26] Anna Toussaint: not place
[2011/12/03 11:26] Anna Toussaint: we need to come up with a time amenable to all
[2011/12/03 11:26] Anna Toussaint: discussion?
[2011/12/03 11:27] Patroklus Murakami: often the toughest task for the new LRA
[2011/12/03 11:27] Rosie Gray: 10:00 am or a little earlier on Saturdays are good for me
[2011/12/03 11:27] Anna Toussaint:
[2011/12/03 11:27] Patroklus Murakami: Sunday's at noon?
[2011/12/03 11:27] Rosie Gray: or even on other days of the week
[2011/12/03 11:27] Rosie Gray: Sunday at noon is not good for me
[2011/12/03 11:27] Anna Toussaint: nor I, unfortunately
[2011/12/03 11:27] Beathan Vale: that works for me -- I volunteer with a HS debate society on some weekends, but can request a 7 day vote
[2011/12/03 11:27] Anna Toussaint: I would prefer Saturday AM, as early as practicable
[2011/12/03 11:28] Rosie Gray: I as well
[2011/12/03 11:28] Patroklus Murakami: ok. sat at 10 works for me. or earlier
[2011/12/03 11:28] Shep Titian: I'm pretty flexible
[2011/12/03 11:28] Anna Toussaint: how about 8 or 9?
[2011/12/03 11:28] Anna Toussaint: I prefer earlier, but 9 would do
[2011/12/03 11:28] Rosie Gray: 9 would be fine for me
[2011/12/03 11:28] Shep Titian: Yes even better
[2011/12/03 11:28] Anna Toussaint: beathan?
[2011/12/03 11:28] Beathan Vale: 9 should be OK
[2011/12/03 11:28] Anna Toussaint: Pat?
[2011/12/03 11:28] Patroklus Murakami: ok for me too
[2011/12/03 11:28] Anna Toussaint: ok
[2011/12/03 11:28] Rosie Gray: hey, we agreed on something ㋡
[2011/12/03 11:29] Patroklus Murakami: how often?
[2011/12/03 11:29] Rosie Gray: every two weeks?
[2011/12/03 11:29] Anna Toussaint: the meeting next week will be on Saturday, December 10 at 9 am SLT
[2011/12/03 11:29] Shep Titian: I suggest bi-monthkly
[2011/12/03 11:29] Anna Toussaint: that is my suggestion
[2011/12/03 11:29] Patroklus Murakami: fortnightly works for me too
[2011/12/03 11:30] Anna Toussaint: however, if we do not have a budget ...
[2011/12/03 11:30] Beathan Vale: Anna -- I'm judging a debate tournament then -- I might be able to log in, but I might have to request a 7 day vote
[2011/12/03 11:30] Rosie Gray: that's a long time between meetings to acomplish anything
[2011/12/03 11:30] Beathan Vale: Rosie -- we can do a lot of trenchwork on the forums
[2011/12/03 11:30] Anna Toussaint: you mean for nezxt week, Beathan?
[2011/12/03 11:30] Beathan Vale: yes
[2011/12/03 11:30] Anna Toussaint: noted
[2011/12/03 11:31] Anna Toussaint: rthere will be a 7-day vote
[2011/12/03 11:31] Pip Torok: Pip Torok hopes that the Forums can substitute for long periods between RA meetings ... at least to some extent
[2011/12/03 11:31] Beathan Vale: so -- I might present an alternative budget based on Trebor's with some modifications
[2011/12/03 11:31] Delia Lake: Delia Lake waves goodbye and poofs
[2011/12/03 11:32] Anna Toussaint: so, efer4y two weeks fore a schedule?
[2011/12/03 11:32] Shep Titian: Yes
[2011/12/03 11:32] Anna Toussaint: every two weeks *
[2011/12/03 11:32] Beathan Vale: sounds good
[2011/12/03 11:32] Patroklus Murakami: yes
[2011/12/03 11:32] Anna Toussaint: everybody happy?
[2011/12/03 11:32] Rosie Gray: sure
[2011/12/03 11:32] Shep Titian: yep
[2011/12/03 11:32] Patroklus Murakami: yup
[2011/12/03 11:32] Anna Toussaint: Rosie, if we nbeed to meet more often, we can
[2011/12/03 11:32] Trebor Warcliffe: Like I stated earlier if we can work out all the details in the forum than tyhe actual vote is just a mere formality
[2011/12/03 11:32] Anna Toussaint: I will entertain a motion that we adjourn
[2011/12/03 11:33] Trebor Warcliffe: raises hand
[2011/12/03 11:33] Beathan Vale: well -- not quite -- we some particiation only occurs here
[2011/12/03 11:33] Anna Toussaint: Beathan?
[2011/12/03 11:33] Anna Toussaint: do you have a mnotion?
[2011/12/03 11:33] Rosie Gray: I move that we adjourn
[2011/12/03 11:33] Trebor Warcliffe: RAISES HAND
[2011/12/03 11:33] Anna Toussaint: is there a second
[2011/12/03 11:33] Anna Toussaint: Treb?
[2011/12/03 11:33] Trebor Warcliffe: I need to know what needs to be fixed in regards to the budget please
[2011/12/03 11:34] Beathan Vale: can we have citizen participation and concerns before we adjourn?
[2011/12/03 11:34] Trebor Warcliffe: Why is it being sent back?
[2011/12/03 11:34] Anna Toussaint: ah yes, Beathan
[2011/12/03 11:34] Rosie Gray: yes, sorry
[2011/12/03 11:34] Anna Toussaint: first, let me answer treb
[2011/12/03 11:34] Beathan Vale: Trebor -- there is still debate on the forums
[2011/12/03 11:34] Rosie Gray: Rosie Gray withdraws motion
[2011/12/03 11:34] Patroklus Murakami: I suggest we follow up on the forums Trebor
[2011/12/03 11:35] Trebor Warcliffe: ok i will read any new posts on the forums and proceed from there
[2011/12/03 11:35] Anna Toussaint: I think the sense of the RA is that you propose another, based on comments, and that we vote on it next5 week
[2011/12/03 11:35] Anna Toussaint: thanks, Trebor
[2011/12/03 11:35] Anna Toussaint: ok citizen concertsn
[2011/12/03 11:35] Trebor Warcliffe: yw
[2011/12/03 11:35] Anna Toussaint: concerns
[2011/12/03 11:36] Anna Toussaint: and participation ...
[2011/12/03 11:36] Tor Karlsvalt: raises hand
[2011/12/03 11:36] Anna Toussaint: Tor
[2011/12/03 11:36] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[2011/12/03 11:36] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Patroklus Murakami (5m)
[2011/12/03 11:36] Tor Karlsvalt: Just like to point out that someof the laws from as far back as the 13th RA have not been posted to the forum or included in the list of laws.
[2011/12/03 11:36] Patroklus Murakami: who is posting a transcript? sorry, I can't today
[2011/12/03 11:37] Beathan Vale: Anna is
[2011/12/03 11:37] Tor Karlsvalt: in particular the law governing the budget proces CDS: 13-10 which is at http://portal.slcds.info/index.php/faq/ ... ility-act/
[2011/12/03 11:37] Beathan Vale: Tor -- that's troubling -- do you have any that you know about?
[2011/12/03 11:37] Anna Toussaint: I'll post one, it may be a lt5tle llater, but by this evening certainly
[2011/12/03 11:37] Pip Torok: Pip Torok offers his copynpaste of the meeting if needed
[2011/12/03 11:37] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Patroklus Murakami (5m)
[2011/12/03 11:37] Tor Karlsvalt: the new arhivist will have some work cut out.
[2011/12/03 11:37] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[2011/12/03 11:38] Patroklus Murakami: I may appeal for help w that tor
[2011/12/03 11:38] Tor Karlsvalt: k
[2011/12/03 11:38] Anna Toussaint: any other citizen concerns?
[2011/12/03 11:39] Anna Toussaint: ok
[2011/12/03 11:39] MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Patroklus Murakami (5m)
[2011/12/03 11:39] Anna Toussaint: is there a motion to adjourn?
[2011/12/03 11:39] Callipygian Christensen: Patroyoyo today
[2011/12/03 11:39] Rosie Gray: I move to adjourn
[2011/12/03 11:40] Anna Toussaint: second?
[2011/12/03 11:40] Patroklus Murakami: second
[2011/12/03 11:40] Anna Toussaint: all in favor, say aye?
[2011/12/03 11:40] Rosie Gray: aye
[2011/12/03 11:40] Patroklus Murakami: this app is not v stable!
[2011/12/03 11:40] Shep Titian: Aye
[2011/12/03 11:40] Patroklus Murakami: aye
[2011/12/03 11:40] Anna Toussaint: hehe, sorry Pat
[2011/12/03 11:40] Beathan Vale: aye
[2011/12/03 11:41] Anna Toussaint: the meeting is adjourned