15 June 2013 RA Transcript

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15 June 2013 RA Transcript

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Shep Titian
[07:09] Calling the meeting to oprder
[07:09] Have we read and approved the agenda?

Ranma Tardis
[07:09] yes

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:09] I approve

Nolligan Nino
[07:09] yes

Shep Titian
[07:10] Well as we have nop reports we hjave no speakers
[07:10] Dear citizens .. any concerns?

Lilith Ivory
[07:11] if you are in the mood for entertainment I could say something about SL10 at the end of the meeting

Fern Leissa
[07:11]

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:11] I like that idea

Shep Titian
[07:11] Yes thank you Lilith .. that would be great

Lilith Ivory
[07:11] Lilith Ivory smiles

Nolligan Nino
[07:11] I have something to say when it's my turn...

Shep Titian
[07:12] Ok .. RA any concerns?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:12] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand

Shep Titian
[07:12] Well Noli first

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:12] Tanoujin Milestone nods

Shep Titian
[07:12] then Tan
[07:12] Noli

Nolligan Nino
[07:14] well two things - re: item 2 establishing a a committee for temporary events would this committee be authorised to 'ok' temporary builds?

Shep Titian
[07:14] No

Nolligan Nino
[07:14] or would it have to be overseen by the RA? - what would be it's powers

Shep Titian
[07:14] Could we address that when we get to that item please ?

Nolligan Nino
[07:15] ok - in that case if It had no powers to suthorise then personally - I can see no function for it

Shep Titian
[07:15] Sorry new keyboard hahahahaha

Nolligan Nino
[07:16] - the other matter I will wait until Ainy Other Business

Lilith Ivory
[07:16] hehe

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:16] I have noted that questions, nolligan, I support the LRA to have the discussion when we come to that item

Shep Titian
[07:16] ok thanks .. Tan?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:16] I see there is no executive present
[07:16] may I ask whether the chancellor is excused?

Shep Titian
[07:16] Yes I noted the same

Lilith Ivory
[07:17] he only has to be here once a month if I remember right

Ranma Tardis
[07:17] nods

Lilith Ivory
[07:17] did he get an invitation to speak here today?

Shep Titian
[07:17] But I understand he ios only contracted to attend one RA meeting a month

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:17] well, for the record, I am not amused, we have an Item on the agenda that affects the executive
[07:17] done

Lilith Ivory
[07:18] Lilith Ivory raises her hand

Shep Titian
[07:18] Noted thank you Tan
[07:18] I myself have a concern
[07:18] Razzy
[07:18] She's a friend and I like her
[07:19] Its great she volunteers
[07:19] .. but she hardly ever turns up
[07:19] How long should we leave it before we remove her?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:20] I think we cant without impeachment
[07:20] and i would refrain from that

Ranma Tardis
[07:20] she never swore in

Shep Titian
[07:20] That is true Ran

Lilith Ivory
[07:20] I might have to look if there are any procedures about that

Shep Titian
[07:21] Could you please Lil .. we need all five us active

Lilith Ivory
[07:21] Lilith Ivory nods

Shep Titian
[07:21] Thank you

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:21] people, if we remove her, we need a 5th member or we are done :-D

Lilith Ivory
[07:21] give me a few days to search old laws and procedures as I don´t think we had a case like this lately
[07:21] in this case we needed a bielection again

Shep Titian
[07:22] We would have to ask for a by-election

Lilith Ivory
[07:22] Lilith Ivory s

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:22]
[07:22] is Razzy excusedtoday?

Shep Titian
[07:22] No
[07:22] not a word

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:22] Tanoujin Milestone scratches her head

Lilith Ivory
[07:22] I only saw her shortly at the inaugurial ball

Ranma Tardis
[07:22] can we remove someone who is not on the RA? She is still a elect

Lilith Ivory
[07:23] I need to look for this as I don´t want to say something wrong now

Shep Titian
[07:23] Yes she came for some of that .. I'll try to catch her and see if she wants to stay .. or feels she can't
[07:24] Ok .. well something it would be good to know the way to go
[07:24] Moving on
[07:25] We have no outstanding business
[07:25] New business

Nolligan Nino
[07:26] you mean I can raise an item not on the agenda now?

Shep Titian
[07:26] I propose we put it on record our appreciation on behalf of the citizens .. to Rosie and Sudane for their wonderful work on the new Schloss

Ranma Tardis
[07:27] nods

Nolligan Nino
[07:27] Nolligan Nino nods

Ranma Tardis
[07:27] i second

Nolligan Nino
[07:27] an excellent job

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:27] yes, and a good example how things can get done

Shep Titian
[07:28] No Noli after what is on the agenda .. usually it should be on it .. if you tell me a couple of days before I can add it

Nolligan Nino
[07:28] ah ok - I'm still a noob at this

Shep Titian
[07:28] Yes Brava from me ..
[07:28] Yes I know

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:28] Nevertheless we can shift something on the agenda unanimously, if I remember right
[07:29] Was this a theoretical question, Nolligan?

Shep Titian
[07:30] Tan want to take this seat?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:30] i apologize

Shep Titian
[07:30] Thanks
[07:30] ok in order
[07:31] Committee to find the best common ground to be set aside to hold events

Ranma Tardis
[07:31] raises hand

Shep Titian
[07:31] I sdpoke to Tor yesterday about this
[07:31] one sec Ran
[07:32] And he is in favour of said committee .. in fact he wants lead by by an RA member
[07:32] Ok Ran

Ranma Tardis
[07:33] am confused what is the purpose of this committee
[07:33] ?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:33] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand to offer an answer

Shep Titian
[07:34] To evaluate the various sites .. plus look at the construction of a new amphitheatre
[07:34] Tan?

Ranma Tardis
[07:34] do the decisions mean anything?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:34] I summarized the discussion here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4043
[07:34] it is about designating fair grounds to have off covenant events
[07:35] we discussed that at the end of the last term

Lilith Ivory
[07:35] Lilith Ivory raises her hand

Shep Titian
[07:35] Well the committee answers to RA ... so e need a volunteer to chair it and then we vote on its findings
[07:35] Lil

Lilith Ivory
[07:36] shouldn´t the construction of a new amphitheatre be something the artisan guild takes care about? and didn´t they get that job already?

Shep Titian
[07:37] Not what Tor said

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:37] hear, hear

Ranma Tardis
[07:37] raises hand

Shep Titian
[07:37] Don't forget the guild are an NGO
[07:37] Ran?

Ranma Tardis
[07:38] lets rephrase this will the committee be able to approve or just recommend?

Shep Titian
[07:39] Recommend to us ..

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:39] may I?
[07:40] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand

Shep Titian
[07:40] And yes Tan I know about the forum thread .. however as per uisual a lot of woprds were spoken and nothing happerned
[07:40] Tan

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:40] it is just for information

Ranma Tardis
[07:40] raises hand

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:40] the thread
[07:41] okay, i would volunteer to chair such a commission with the condition we focus on the fair ground topic

Shep Titian
[07:41] Yes .. this is if you like the continuation
[07:41] Ok thats good

Fern Leissa
[07:41] Fern Leissa raises hand

Shep Titian
[07:41] Fern?

Lilith Ivory
[07:41] Hi Sudane

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:41] the Theatre topic needs much work, it could block the decision about the fair grounds

Sudane Erato
[07:41] hi

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:41] done.

Shep Titian
[07:41] Hi Sudane

Fern Leissa
[07:41] If I may make a citizens comment...

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:41] Hi Sudane

Shep Titian
[07:42] Please do Fern

Fern Leissa
[07:42] I think that a permanent fairground is not necessarily a good thing and would like to see this type of thing discussed as the need arrises
[07:43] it seems like this was generagted out of a misunderstanding btw several citizens. I do not feel the ra should legislate all misunderstandings
[07:43] done
[07:43] ty

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:43] (very good point, fern)

Ranma Tardis
[07:43] Shep Titian
[07:43] The fairground will simply be the designate space for certain events
[07:44] To avoid the situation that arose ovr a couple of events
[07:45] There are absolutely NO plans for any permanent structures on it/them
[07:46] Ok then since Tan volunteers to chair the committee and report to us .. I think thats all we need for now .. Tan do you need any recruiting?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:47] Volunteer all persons present here

Sudane Erato
[07:47] hehe

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:47] I will call for meetings and discussion

Lilith Ivory
[07:47] Lilith Ivory grins

Shep Titian
[07:47] hehehehehehe

Fern Leissa
[07:47] hehe

Shep Titian
[07:47] Anyone want to join the committee?
[07:48] I would imagine Bags might be interested

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:48] knok, knock, Hi its me, Tan, I want to talk about the fair --- slam
[07:48] yes, I will ask bags

Nolligan Nino
[07:48] Nolligan Nino has other commitments

Shep Titian
[07:48] Can't speak for her of course
[07:49] hehehe Silence is deafening eh :D
[07:50] Tan what shall we call your committee?

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:50] that is bc the negotiations need to be secret _D

Shep Titian
[07:50] Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:50] I will do my best. Lets go on?

Shep Titian
[07:50] Feels things crawl out of woodwork

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:50]

Shep Titian
[07:51] WEll just call it The Fairground Committee

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:51] yes, Madam

Shep Titian
[07:51] ok moving on .. Noli you wish to bring something up?

Nolligan Nino
[07:52] if it's ok

Shep Titian
[07:52] You have the floor

Nolligan Nino
[07:53] I am of the opinion that the finances of CDs need a careful examination. as the last set of accounts show an ongoing deficit - which iMHO is very serious
[07:55] I would like to propose a consultation exercise to see what solutions we can gather form the c itizens and our friends

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:55] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand

Shep Titian
[07:55] Tan

Tanoujin Milestone
[07:56] I see the Treasurer is attending - let us ask her how serious the deficit is
[07:56] Sudane, would you drop us a line?

Shep Titian
[07:57] Sudane .. would you be prepared to give us some words?

Sudane Erato
[07:57] sure.... but i'm not sure i understand the context of the question
[07:57] are we discussing the budget?

Shep Titian
[07:58] Yes .. Noli is concerned that we are running in defecit

Sudane Erato
[07:58] ahh... ok
[07:58] well, yes we are... a small one
[07:58] there are 2 issues
[07:59] one is that we need to try to sell more land
[07:59] thus the conversation about LA
[07:59] and the second is that a few terms ago, we drastically lowered tier
[07:59] and i think perhaps we should slightly raise it again
[08:00] keep in mind that the deficit is small

Ranma Tardis
[08:00] raises hand

Sudane Erato
[08:00] and that we have large reserves... so we are in no danger
[08:00] but

Shep Titian
[08:00] After Sudane Ran

Sudane Erato
[08:00] we should correct the situation while it is still comfortable to do so
[08:00] done

Shep Titian
[08:01] Thank you Sudane
[08:01] Ran

Ranma Tardis
[08:01] Sudane how would you correct the situation?

Sudane Erato
[08:01] by dealing with those 2 issues

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:02] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand

Sudane Erato
[08:02] take steps to sell more land
[08:02] and raise the tier

Shep Titian
[08:02] Tan

Ranma Tardis
[08:02] I mean should we raise rates and adjust them each term?

Shep Titian
[08:02] Micro manage?

Sudane Erato
[08:03] Ranma, i think not

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:03] I think we should take the tier raise on the agenda for the next meeting and ask whether 6% is enough to improve the situation

Shep Titian
[08:03] No .. could get messy

Ranma Tardis
[08:03] no in the Corps of Engineers rates are adjusted as needed

Fern Leissa
[08:03] me/raises hand
[08:03]

Shep Titian
[08:04] ooooooooh whispered

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:04]

Fern Leissa
[08:05] Fern Leissa raises hand ... really

Sudane Erato
[08:05]

Shep Titian
[08:06] Fern I called you

Fern Leissa
[08:06] Sorry Shep

Shep Titian
[08:06] nps

Fern Leissa
[08:06] I believe I was on the ra when we voted to lower tier
[08:07] The idea behind doing so was to try to get more citizens to join us. We were worried about LA (if you can believe that ^^)
[08:07] But... frankly I think I'd say it hasn't worked

Sudane Erato
[08:07] hehe

Shep Titian
[08:07] Ok well I will add this to next meeting's agenda

Fern Leissa
[08:07] However in the meantime... I think is see some citizens have bought/are supporting more land

Nolligan Nino
[08:07] Nolligan Nino raises hand

Fern Leissa
[08:08] And they may be doing so because it it cheaper... so I'm not sure what the fix is
[08:08] done

Shep Titian
[08:08] Thanks Fern .. Noli

Ranma Tardis
[08:08] raises hand

Nolligan Nino
[08:08] Firstly - many thanks to Sudane for addressing my concerns I now know that.the deficit is small and is partly due to a lowering of tier.
[08:08] personally- I would still like to see how we can achieve the desired result of selling more land and increasing traffic.
[08:08] So I would like to initiate a consultation exercise - and attempt to get people involved.
[08:09] I may be a missed guided fool doomed to failure - but I'd still like to try...
[08:09] done

Sudane Erato
[08:09] raise hand

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:09] Tanoujin Milestone notes we have another volunteer

Shep Titian
[08:09] Sudane

Sudane Erato
[08:10] i think Ranma was before me?

Shep Titian
[08:10] )))
[08:10] Oh sorry
[08:10] Ran?

Ranma Tardis
[08:10] taps fingers

Shep Titian
[08:10] Slaps fingers

Ranma Tardis
[08:10] you understand I was not finished talking several times
[08:11] the way we do things breaks up the free exchange of infomation, takes more time

Shep Titian
[08:11] I apologise ... I wish people would use the typing or hand waving AOs so you know if more is coming

Ranma Tardis
[08:12] it makes these meetings more painful than the ones at work

Sudane Erato
[08:12] Shep, you might consider requiring that

Ranma Tardis
[08:12] if I could figure out how to use it on the new viewer

Shep Titian
[08:12] Ok we'll talk later

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:13] I did not get that, Ranma, I hope you will explain? Later, maybe?

Shep Titian
[08:13] Yes I know a lot don't like them .. but just for meetings would

Ranma Tardis
[08:13] no, the RA members are being silenced during the meetings

Sudane Erato
[08:13] pfft

Shep Titian
[08:14] Rubbish

Ranma Tardis
[08:14] might as well be a non member
[08:14] you interupted me 3 times

Shep Titian
[08:14] Ok .. how would you do it?

Ranma Tardis
[08:15] a more free flow, we are typing not talking

Shep Titian
[08:15] What do you mean free flow? everyone at once?

Ranma Tardis
[08:15] the ra members should be able to talk without such a control and no
[08:16] we have taken an hour and a quarter and have done almost nothing
[08:16] mostly waiting

Shep Titian
[08:16] And what should we have done?

Ranma Tardis
[08:17] if we have to maybe give out so much time for an ra member to speak like the us congress

Shep Titian
[08:17] We gave official thanks for the Schloss

Ranma Tardis
[08:17] roberts rules of order

Shep Titian
[08:18] We arranged a committee to research the fairgrounds
[08:18] We had a few words from Sudanme in responce to Noli's concers

Ranma Tardis
[08:18] they will talk and someone else will make a motion and it will be for nothing
[08:19] but it is their time

Shep Titian
[08:19] Ok Ran .. I'll hand the next meeting over to you

Ranma Tardis
[08:19] how about giving each member a few minutes of uninterupted time
[08:19] sure thing

Shep Titian
[08:19] You do the agenda .. don't forget the notice and the forum notice

Ranma Tardis
[08:20] nods

Shep Titian
[08:21] I want you to tell me what should jhave been achieved today that was'nt

Ranma Tardis
[08:22] am all ears

Shep Titian
[08:23] No Ranma YOU tell ME

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:23] excuse me, i lost track... do we approve Nolligan's consultation and involvement exercise?

Shep Titian
[08:23] Yes I do

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:23] great, me too

Ranma Tardis
[08:23] sureShep Titian
[08:23] Go for it .. we all have :D

Nolligan Nino
[08:23] thank you...

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:24] and I forgot the speaking order too - please bear with me - who had the floor?

Ranma Tardis
[08:24] give me a couple moments

Shep Titian
[08:24] I'm waiting for Ran

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:24] ah! Okay

Ranma Tardis
[08:24] i lose my train of thought easily one of the gifts of the war
[08:25] we do need to make things more streamlined and actually do something about the budget which reminds me needs to be done

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:26] the budget! right!
[08:26] Tanoujin Milestone rises habd

Ranma Tardis
[08:26] we need to set priorities for the government and then let them do it
[08:26] that it

Shep Titian
[08:27] Tan

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:27] thank you
[08:28] when tier was reduced, how much was that, does anyone remeber?
[08:28] Fern, maybe?

Shep Titian
[08:28] Before my time

Fern Leissa
[08:29] Sudane may have percentage?

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:29] I would like to ask Sudane to present a suggestion next time, with real numbers, would that be okay?

Ranma Tardis
[08:29] nods

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:29] Tor mentioned 6% last term

Nolligan Nino
[08:29] Nolligan Nino nods in agreement

Shep Titian
[08:29] Sudane would you please do that for us?

Sudane Erato
[08:30] yes.... but actually, Tor has prepared this proposal
[08:30] and I will defer to him to present it

Ranma Tardis
[08:31] raises hand

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:31] I see, thank you

Shep Titian
[08:31] OK I'll try to tie him down and make sure he knows he's needed

Sudane Erato
[08:31] i'll be happy to remind him

Lilith Ivory
[08:31] Lilith Ivory smiles

Sudane Erato
[08:31] and forgive me... i must leave... another meeting...

Shep Titian
[08:31] :D
[08:31] Ran

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:31] , Sudane, thank you

Ranma Tardis
[08:31] I move we raise tier 6 percent

Shep Titian
[08:31] Sudane hun

Lilith Ivory
[08:32] see you Sudane

Shep Titian
[08:32] Feel it needs a bit more clarity

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:32] Tanoujin Milestone raises hand

Shep Titian
[08:33] WEhich is why its on the agenda for the next meeting
[08:33] Tan

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:33] Ranma, I am much in the mood to second, but i would like to hear Tor on it first
[08:34] so let us get it done next time, okay?
[08:34] it affects all citizens

Ranma Tardis
[08:34] we know we are short what can Tor possibily say?

Shep Titian
[08:34] Personally I would prefer to lose LA

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:34] we should make sure we do it in a proper way

Ranma Tardis
[08:34] ??

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:35] it is his proposal

Shep Titian
[08:35] Putyting rents up in the current climate is plain silly

Ranma Tardis
[08:35] just hijacked it
[08:35] lets have a vote up or down

Shep Titian
[08:36] I'm not inclined to call random votes

Ranma Tardis
[08:36] this has been coming since before the 18th term

Shep Titian
[08:36] We have no commission reports .. no exec to report .. and no general announcements
[08:37] Therefore next RA meeting
[08:37] I suggest one month
[08:38] Saturday 13th July?

Ranma Tardis
[08:38] 2 weeks

Shep Titian
[08:38] No

Nolligan Nino
[08:38] in one months time my time zone will be Irish Summer Time which is Central European Time -1 hour

Shep Titian
[08:38] Once a month is enough

Lilith Ivory
[08:38] the chancellor might want to have his budget aproved

Nolligan Nino
[08:39] I should have text only viewer access to sl

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:39] and I might want to see it :-D

Shep Titian
[08:39] Well he should post it first

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:40] good point, eh?

Shep Titian
[08:40] I'll compromise at three weeks
[08:40] 6th July
[08:40] What time?

Nolligan Nino
[08:41] This time works for me

Ranma Tardis
[08:41] am good at most times
[08:41] nods

Shep Titian
[08:41] Ok 7am ...

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:41] okay!

Shep Titian
[08:41] next meeting SAt 6th July ast 7 am SLT
[08:41] I move to adjkourn

Ranma Tardis
[08:42] second

Shep Titian
[08:42] Adjourtn
[08:42] Gives up
[08:42] Vote

Tanoujin Milestone
[08:42] aye, and thank you all

Shep Titian
[08:42] aye

Ranma Tardis
[08:42] aye

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