Shep Titian [07:05] Ok the agenda is in the box on the table .. please take a copy and we will begin
[07:05] May I say its lovely to see so many here
Tor Karlsvalt [07:05] Forgive me if I get a bit distracted. Just give me a hard nudge if I ignore you. I am running SL in a window so I can work on a statement.
[07:05] yes
Shep Titian [07:06] ok everyone has permission to poke Tor
Tanoujin Milestone [07:06] hehe
Rosie Gray [07:06] Rosie Gray tests out a POKE! on Tor
Shep Titian [07:06] cCalling this meeting to order
Tor Karlsvalt [07:06] haha
Shep Titian [07:07] RA have you read the agenda and approve its contents .. please say aye or nay
Ranma Tardis [07:07] aye
Moonrise Azalee [07:07] aye
Nolligan Nino [07:08] aye
Tanoujin Milestone [07:08] aye
Shep Titian [07:08] aye
[07:08] good moving on
[07:08] Nolligan I believe you want to speak on the LA issue?
Nolligan Nino [07:09] I will do when asked...
Shep Titian [07:09] Thanks .. Tan will you speak on the Fairground committee?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:09] yes, sbortly
[07:10] shortly
Shep Titian [07:10] Good and Tor will you be giving us a statement?
[07:12] I'll rephrase that Tor I hope you will have an executive statement
Tanoujin Milestone [07:12] me pokes tor
Tor Karlsvalt [07:12] sorry yes
Nolligan Nino [07:12] Nolligan Nino reaches for cattle prod...
Tor Karlsvalt [07:12] I will
Shep Titian [07:12] Ok he'll catch up
[07:12] Ah good
[07:13] ok .. Citizens concerns .. please only things not covered by the rest of the agenda
Callipygian Christensen [07:13] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
Pip Torok [07:13] i have one tho not a concern
Shep Titian [07:14] Ok no hands waving
Tor Karlsvalt [07:14] sure
Shep Titian [07:14] Same again for RA .. any concerns?
Callipygian Christensen [07:14] Callipygian Christensen coughs and waves
Ranma Tardis [07:14] raises hand
Pip Torok [07:14] i have one
Nolligan Nino [07:14] yes - I have one
Shep Titian [07:14] Sorry Calli
[07:15] missed you there .. please what did you want to say?
Callipygian Christensen [07:15] Thank you. Last RA meeting there was discussion by those members present of removing or replacing a RA member.
Because it was discussed at that previous meeting and is present in the transcript of that meeting, I think it is important that this transcript also contain the following observations, so that anyone reviewing transcripts for information will see it..
[07:15] Barring impeachment for actions seriously damaging CDS or wilfully contravening the Constitution etc. , (as Tanoujin mentioned) there is no process for the RA to remove one of its own members, sworn in or not. To allow for such a thing would leave the constant possibility of RA members at risk of removal to block dissent. The only mechanism for removal of a RA member who is felt to not be doing their job well enough is failure to reelect them by the citizens of CDS.
[07:16] Done.
Ranma Tardis [07:16] claps
Tanoujin Milestone [07:16] great, thank you Calli
Pip Torok [07:16] applause
Shep Titian [07:18] Ok thank you for that clarification .. does that also apply if the person did'nt show up ever? .. not directing that at the lovely Birch who made a superhuman effort for us today
Moonrise Azalee [07:18] Moonrise Azalee laughs
Callipygian Christensen [07:18] Yes, it probably does
Widget Whiteberry [07:18] Widget Whiteberry wonders if that statement is from the formal docs of CDS
[07:19] seems very clear and well constructed
Shep Titian [07:19] Ok .. so what would the SC advise if RA were not able to be quorate because of such a situation?
Callipygian Christensen [07:19] No, i't s just my interpretation of what is and isn't stated in the documents
Pip Torok [07:20] Pip Torok wd be happier if the absence were quantified ... for example more than 1 meeting in 3
Callipygian Christensen [07:21] It isn't for the SC to advise on such a case - to not be quorate it would require 3 members to never attend or cast a 7 day voteort
Tanoujin Milestone [07:21] hear, hear. Maybe we need apiece of legislation
Callipygian Christensen [07:21] RA can function with only 3 active members
Shep Titian [07:21] Yes
[07:22] But Tan it might be worth exploring certainly
Tanoujin Milestone [07:22] nods
Shep Titian [07:23] Ok Pip did you have a comment?
[07:23] Or rather a concern
Callipygian Christensen [07:23] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand for a brief addendum
Pip Torok [07:24] yes ... just to say there will shortly open new wine cellar ... a rival to the present one at the northwest corner of the marktplatz .. you are all welcome of course done
Shep Titian [07:24] Well yes Calli .. if Pip is typing hes after
[07:24] Looks forward to new business
Moonrise Azalee [07:25] Moonrise Azalee grins.. Yay, wine!
Callipygian Christensen [07:25] Just to clarify, I, nor any other member of the SC can answer the 'what would the SC ...' because it is a voting body - each of us can only give our personal opinion and view
Shep Titian [07:25] Ok thank you Calli
[07:26] oop lost Tan
Tor Karlsvalt [07:28] Tor Karlsvalt looks forward to pips wine cellar.
Shep Titian [07:28] Moving on ... but we need Tan
Rosie Gray [07:28] Rosie Gray looks forward to the wine cellar too
Pip Torok [07:28] correction Tor .. its mothercard warden's
Rosie Gray [07:29] oh Mothercard's
Tor Karlsvalt [07:29]
Pip Torok [07:29] (she asked me to announce it)
Lilith Ivory [07:29] (placing Tan again)
Pip Torok [07:29] wb tan
Tanoujin Milestone [07:29] phew, sorry
Shep Titian [07:29] Ok we'll skip Tan's report for now
[07:29] Ah there
Tanoujin Milestone [07:30] sorry, crash
Shep Titian [07:30] Tan are you able to report on the Fairground Committee?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:30] i see, quick one I apologize, did not get very far
Shep Titian [07:30] WB
Tanoujin Milestone [07:31] i interviewed the chancellor and want to invite Bags to join me in this - next time more on this
[07:31] done
Shep Titian [07:31] Ok well thanks for making a start
Tanoujin Milestone [07:32] thanks for ypur patience
Shep Titian [07:32] New business .. I would like a small update on procedure
[07:33] there is a sidenote on the agenda .. asking people to say Done clearly when finished on a subject .. I know some of you already do
Pip Torok [07:33] welcome Bromo
Shep Titian [07:33] And thank you
Bromo Ivory [07:34]
Rosie Gray [07:34] hello Bromo
Moonrise Azalee [07:34] Hi Bromo
Fern Leissa [07:34] Hi Bromo
Tor Karlsvalt [07:34] Hi Bromo
Bromo Ivory [07:34] HI all
Tanoujin Milestone [07:34] Bromo
Shep Titian [07:34] And it would if people were prepared to use the typing (or arm waving ) anim
Moonrise Azalee [07:35] Moonrise Azalee nods..
Shep Titian [07:35] Just please make it as clear as possible that you are speaking and have finished
Callipygian Christensen [07:35] Friestorm has a preference to show that someone is typing in a chat bubble above their head also
Tanoujin Milestone [07:36] I support Shep's suggestion on procedures
Moonrise Azalee [07:36] that might be even easier.. i know my typing anim is also set in AO and one over rides the other
Pip Torok [07:36] thanks calli those with fs appreciate knowing this
Shep Titian [07:36] I don't like shopwing weakness but I'm a single digit typer and so do miss the odd comment by lookingh at my keybnoard
Tor Karlsvalt [07:36] Tor Karlsvalt probably a good idea, but rummages around in prefs looking for that setting.
Moonrise Azalee [07:37] Text Chat i believe
[07:37] in Cool VL viewer and imp anyhow
Pip Torok [07:37] Pip Torok thinks itll level the playingfield between fluent typers and the rest
Shep Titian [07:37] trlp .. chat .. second line Tor
Rosie Gray [07:37] FS ->chat ->general tab
Tor Karlsvalt [07:38]
Shep Titian [07:38] that was CTRL p
Tor Karlsvalt [07:38] got it
Callipygian Christensen [07:38] typing indicator in bubbles is the last on that same tab
Widget Whiteberry [07:38] tests ...
Moonrise Azalee [07:39] <---finds this SO much easier
Rosie Gray [07:39] trys out to see if it shows you are typing, but it doesn't until you hit return
Shep Titian [07:39] just flap about and have patience
Moonrise Azalee [07:39] Moonrise Azalee can see that pip is typing
Shep Titian [07:40] Done on that
Pip Torok [07:40] Birch .. Cool i know but what is imp?
Moonrise Azalee [07:40] Moonrise Azalee grins
[07:40] (imprudence)
Pip Torok [07:40] ah!! tks
Moonrise Azalee [07:40] Moonrise Azalee smiles
Shep Titian [07:40] I can't .. how can you?
Rosie Gray [07:40] I can't either
Moonrise Azalee [07:40] activated Chat Bubbles
[07:41] in chat -show chat bubbles
Widget Whiteberry [07:41] Widget Whiteberry notes you have to see the avies to see ... and that the bubble appears when text is entering
Pip Torok [07:41] Pip Torok thinks a masterclass on viewers is called for especially now SSB is almost upon us
Rosie Gray [07:41] I have that activated on Firestorm, but it doesn't work that way
Widget Whiteberry [07:41] not while typng
[07:41] typing
Rosie Gray [07:41] Rosie Gray nods
Shep Titian [07:41] Ok what does that do?
Moonrise Azalee [07:42] while typing i see a bubble above the avies head with ... being entered until they hit enter
Widget Whiteberry [07:42] could rez a golden ball on her lap as indicator
Rosie Gray [07:42] I don't see that
Shep Titian [07:42] Yes And I saw Rosie's
Tanoujin Milestone [07:42] smiles at Widget
Moonrise Azalee [07:42] You saw Rosie entering text?
Shep Titian [07:42] I saw her dots
Moonrise Azalee [07:42] yes me too, and yours
Shep Titian [07:43] same as you
Rosie Gray [07:43] hmmm
Moonrise Azalee [07:43] (and now widgets)
Rosie Gray [07:43] but what viewers are you using?
Moonrise Azalee [07:43] Moonrise Azalee grins
[07:43] i use Cool VL
Shep Titian [07:43] Your name tag changes colour
Widget Whiteberry [07:43] this is good in a crowd to see who has said something
[07:43] not so useful here
Moonrise Azalee [07:43] which viewer do you use Widget?
Shep Titian [07:43] Now Calli
Rosie Gray [07:44] Rosie Gray agrees with Widget
Widget Whiteberry [07:44] newest FS
Callipygian Christensen [07:44] I dont have chat bubbles activated..just that one setting. Panned out to see the whole room thier nae tag wiht dots appears when anyone is typing
Widget Whiteberry [07:44] it was worth testing
Moonrise Azalee [07:44] maybe it only doesnt work with fs then
[07:44] Moonrise Azalee nods
Widget Whiteberry [07:44] I can leave it ion if it s others
Rosie Gray [07:45] I just use the old annoying typing gestures
[07:45] Rosie Gray grins
Shep Titian [07:45] Ok well if you can adopt it for meetings it would ..
[07:45] Moving on
Moonrise Azalee [07:45] there is also the option of 'show 'when typing' above avatar's head' option in the same section
Pip Torok [07:45] Pip Torok looks forward to whenever the same luxuries are implmented the same way on all viewers
Moonrise Azalee [07:45] Moonrise Azalee nods
Tor Karlsvalt [07:45] Tor Karlsvalt likes chat bubbles for meetings.
Moonrise Azalee [07:46] Moonrise Azalee does also
Shep Titian [07:46] Next we need a Pro Tem to take over should I have to miss a meeting
Rosie Gray [07:46] oh that works now
[07:46] Rosie Gray shuts up
Widget Whiteberry [07:46] trying ' 'show 'when typing' above avatar's head' '
Shep Titian [07:46] Is there anyone wants the job?
Moonrise Azalee [07:46] mm... no thank you
Widget Whiteberry [07:46] job?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:47] me listens
Widget Whiteberry [07:47] got lost in tech
Shep Titian [07:47] Only RA widget sorry
Nolligan Nino [07:47] I'll do it..
Tanoujin Milestone [07:47] pro tempore , widget. Ranma?
Ranma Tardis [07:47] yes?
Moonrise Azalee [07:47] Moonrise Azalee looks at the man in the blue shirt and grins
[07:48] hehe
Shep Titian [07:49] Is it only Nolli that wants the job?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:49] just wanted to make sure you are here
Ranma Tardis [07:49] it is an easy question
Shep Titian [07:49] Dear Lord
Ranma Tardis [07:49] oh you are taking nominations
[07:50] Shep you made a challenge so I accept it then and now
Tanoujin Milestone [07:50] 
Shep Titian [07:50] Ok so we have two contestants
Widget Whiteberry [07:51] Widget Whiteberry wonders if she will finally see lion in action
Shep Titian [07:51] Calli sorry .. does this have to be an open vote?
[07:53] Calli's not typing Lilith do you know?
Callipygian Christensen [07:53] umm..I dont recall, but I think all votes are open
Lilith Ivory [07:53] what?
Shep Titian [07:54] Its ok Lil thanks
Tanoujin Milestone [07:54] me raises hand
Shep Titian [07:54] One sec Tan
[07:54] Ok Tan
Tanoujin Milestone [07:54] np
Shep Titian [07:55] Go ahead Tan
[07:55]
Tanoujin Milestone [07:55] i suggest we vote by calling the name of the candidate we support. done
Shep Titian [07:55] Ok
[07:56] I'll go first .I b=vote for Nolligan
Moonrise Azalee [07:56] I vote Nolligan
Tanoujin Milestone [07:56] I vote Ranma
Shep Titian [07:56] Tan?
[07:56] K
[07:57] Birch
Nolligan Nino [07:57] I vote for Nolligan
Ranma Tardis [07:57] vote for myself
Shep Titian [07:57] Thanks Nooligan
Ranma Tardis [07:57] congrats nolligan
Shep Titian [07:57] Thanks Ran
Nolligan Nino [07:57] thank you
Moonrise Azalee [07:57] Congrats Nolligan
Callipygian Christensen [07:58] For future reference re: secret votes "Section 5 – Journal
The RA shall keep and publish a journal of its proceedings. The individual votes of RA members shall be entered in the journal. Parts of the journal that are deemed secret by a 2/3 majority and with concurrence of the Philosophic branch will not be published. Secret journal entries may only be deemed secret if they prevent the exploitation of the city and citizens from external threats." SO any vote like this is public.
Lilith Ivory [07:58] congrats Noligan
Pip Torok [07:58] congrats nolligan
Shep Titian [07:58] CVongratulations
Tor Karlsvalt [07:58] ?~~?~~APPLAUSE~~?~~?
Tanoujin Milestone [07:58] nice
Shep Titian [07:58] Thank You Calli ..
[07:59] Sorry Ran .. I'll explain my vote .. Nolli is online a lot and is very keen at the moment
[08:01] Ok .. moving on .. LA .. again .. Nolligan wanted to give his view on the issue
[08:01] So I will yield the floor to Nooligan
Nolligan Nino [08:02] Firstly I wanted tor raise a concern expressed to me by Em warden - she is experiencing problems opening notecards attached to group notices - a lack of permissions error
Tor Karlsvalt [08:03] Hmm, I wonder if it is any of mine.
Nolligan Nino [08:03] Moving to the agenda item number 3
Tor Karlsvalt [08:04] I will look her up and find out what the problem is.
Moonrise Azalee [08:04] the last CDS one works fine for me
Callipygian Christensen [08:04] That may be a lag or other issue on Em's end - I don't believe you can attach a notecard that isn't full perms, unless that has changed recently
Nolligan Nino [08:04] (apologies I am experiencing packet loss and some of this may appear in the wrong order)
[08:04] Locus Amoenus:
This sim is not doing well, I am reliably informed that it has an occupancy rate of 49% This is neither desirable nor sustainable.
[08:05] My honourable friend Tanoujin produced a report on it in Jan this year - I recommend reading it is candid and paints a bleak picture, and if anything matters have gotten worse since then.
[08:06] 80% occupancy is required to break even. As far as I am aware there have been several attempts to relaunch it.
[08:06] A number of citizens have spent substantial sums renovating and improving parcels in LA. We should thank Tan and Lillith (apologies if I have neglected to mention anyone) I also commend the efforts of all the residents of LA in trying to improve their sim.
[08:06] However, multiple parcels remain empty and traffic is low.
We have reached a moment where we can not afford to let matters drift.
[08:07] I think that we have 4 principle options:
[08:07] 1) Raise tier to cover the expense of LA and re-dedicate a large portion of the sim as a public space for events.
[08:08] 2) Downgrade the sim to a homestead, hopefully this option would allow present residents there to keep their parcels.
[08:08] 3) Get rid of the whole sim. Not my preferred option but may have to happen but in my opinion only after a plebiscite .
[08:08] 4) McCawberism - carrying on and hoping that 'something will turn up' . This could be the Cedar Island initiative or a redesign. However, this could just be a case of 'kicking the can further down the road'. If something does not turn up we will be left with the same problem as now - but with a smaller cash pile.
[08:09] I must stress that I do not favour 3) getting rid of the sim, <i>but</i> it has been raised by some citizens and needs to be considered as an option.
[08:09] What we need is a vigorous debate about the future of LA and more importantly a commitment to action.
[08:10] Now is the time to commence that debate.
[08:10] DONE
Shep Titian [08:10] Thank you Nolligan
Pip Torok [08:10] Pip Torok has one question:
Shep Titian [08:10] Taking comments from the floor
[08:10] Pip
Fern Leissa [08:11] Fern Leissa raises hand
Pip Torok [08:11] will option 2 cure the deficit with present numbers? done
Widget Whiteberry [08:11] Widget Whiteberry raises hand
Ranma Tardis [08:11] I support holding on for awhile raising taxes
Rosie Gray [08:11] Rosie Gray raises hand
Shep Titian [08:12] Fern
Nolligan Nino [08:12] I think Tor has been doing some work on that option
[08:12] Bagheera Kristan is online
Shep Titian [08:12] After Fren Widget then Rosie
Tor Karlsvalt [08:12] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
Fern Leissa [08:12] Could someone clarify the cost of LA? Is this a grandfathered sim? I'm wondering what the costs and savings would be if we downgrade to homestead. done
Shep Titian [08:13] Thank you Fern
Tor Karlsvalt [08:13] Tor Karlsvalt may I answer Fern?
Fern Leissa [08:13] [whispers] Hi Bags
Shep Titian [08:13] Widget
Widget Whiteberry [08:13] /em waits for a reply to Fern's good question
Fern Leissa [08:13] Sure Tor. Thanks
Widget Whiteberry [08:13] oh, to do you want my question now?
Shep Titian [08:13] Yes Tor
Tor Karlsvalt [08:13] Thanks
Shep Titian [08:14] After Tor Widget thx
Tor Karlsvalt [08:14] LA tier is $295.00, it is not grandfathered. Our grandfathered sims are NFS, $195.00; CN, $195 and Monastery, $95.00
[08:15] AM and LA are both $295.00 per month
Tanoujin Milestone [08:15] that is correct
Fern Leissa [08:16] brb phone
Shep Titian [08:16] kk
[08:16] Widget?
Widget Whiteberry [08:16] Have the current residents expressed a preference between options 1 & 2? Done
Fern Leissa [08:17] back. Thanks Tor
Tor Karlsvalt [08:17] Tor Karlsvalt can I speak to Widget's question?
Widget Whiteberry [08:17] er, or opinions about options 1 & 2. sorry
[08:17] Widget Whiteberry is really done
Shep Titian [08:18] Well Alexia would be happy to stay .. but is prepared to move the Time Machine
Tor Karlsvalt [08:18] Ms. LRA, may I speak to this?
Shep Titian [08:19] A number of parcels are ones bought to reduce the yellow .. and I know one wants the freedom to buy elsewhere back
[08:19] Yes Tor
Tor Karlsvalt [08:19] Thank you
Shep Titian [08:19] not forgotten you Rosie
Rosie Gray [08:20] ?
Lilith Ivory [08:20] Lilith Ivory raises her hand
Tor Karlsvalt [08:21] I think you are correct in your assessment. Alexia is the only citizen who is solely in LA. The rest of us have land elsewhere in CDS. I would not expect too much of an increase in ownership in ohter sims if LA were deleted.
[08:21] done
Shep Titian [08:21] Noted Lilith I'll call you after Rosie
Bagheera Kristan [08:21] /raises hand
Shep Titian [08:21] Rosie first
Rosie Gray [08:21] thanks
Tanoujin Milestone [08:22] me raises hand
Shep Titian [08:22] Seen you Bags
Bagheera Kristan [08:22]
Shep Titian [08:22] After Bags Tan
Rosie Gray [08:22] I was wondering if anyone knows what the status of the discussions/proposal from the Cedar Island folks is
[08:22] and if there has been anything from Delia or Jon on that
[08:22] done
Shep Titian [08:23] Thanks .. nothing new from her .. OI spoke with her a few days ago and nothing forthcoming at that time
[08:23] Lilith?
Tor Karlsvalt [08:23] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
Callipygian Christensen [08:24] Cedar is meeting right now
Lilith Ivory [08:24] I just wanted to mention that if we downgrate LA to a homestead the price per prim needs to go up as a homestead is always more expensive than a full Sim
Shep Titian [08:25] Ok thanks Lil
[08:25] Tan was next
Callipygian Christensen [08:25] Homestead also limits number of avatars allowed in doesnt it?
[08:25] ..didnt mean to hit enter..sorry
Shep Titian [08:26] it does Calli .. to 20
Tanoujin Milestone [08:26] In reply to Tor: I am maxed out at La solely, and I will move if it is off. done
Shep Titian [08:26] Thanks Tan
Ranma Tardis [08:26] raises hand
Shep Titian [08:26] Ranma?
Bagheera Kristan [08:26] /raises hand higher?
Fern Leissa [08:26] wb Tan
Tanoujin Milestone [08:26] sorry, crashed. I withdraw
Shep Titian [08:26] Oop sorry Bags
Tor Karlsvalt [08:27] Tor Karlsvalt would like to go after Bags
Shep Titian [08:27] Right noted Tor
Ranma Tardis [08:27] the problem with homestead is the size of the lots not the prims. Had a lot in monastary and it was unbuildable.
Tor Karlsvalt [08:27] Tor Karlsvalt means "speak" Go for speak is a Chicagoism.
Ranma Tardis [08:27] so it comes down to keeping the sim or not
Bagheera Kristan [08:28] speaking for myself, I prefer LA - although I own a larger parcel in CN, that was temporary and I had really wanted to move over to LA. I have a small apartment in LA now...
[08:28] I had also been wanting to hold events but was told to hold off until after Cedar Island was resolved.
Ranma Tardis [08:28] I think we need to give it more time and relax the overbearing convadents
Bagheera Kristan [08:28] with the intention to promote the sim. done. thank you.
Shep Titian [08:29] Who said that?
Ranma Tardis [08:29] in place
Bagheera Kristan [08:29] I forget
Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
Shep Titian [08:29] Tor
Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] Thanks
Ranma Tardis [08:29] so I am against closing the sim or reducing it, done
Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] During the Ball, Jon mentioned that he would meet with Delia and others to work out some proposal. I lately asked Delia, but it seems both her and Jon have been very busy with work in RL these past few weeks.
Pip Torok [08:29] Pip Torok raises hand
Shep Titian [08:29] Thanks Ran
Tor Karlsvalt [08:29] Regardign some other concerns:
[08:30] Yes I agree homestaed prims are more expensive.
Shep Titian [08:30] Pip
Tor Karlsvalt [08:30] and a homestead allows only 20 AVs at one time. So not much good for events.
[08:30] done
Pip Torok [08:31] disagree that homestead la makes it "unbuildable .. ppl wd and do adapt done
Shep Titian [08:31] What events
Tor Karlsvalt [08:31]
[08:31] We typically had many events in LA
Shep Titian [08:31] I have always lived on homesteads .. they're great
Pip Torok [08:31] and other locales are available .. eg the oldbowk in am
Moonrise Azalee [08:32] Moonrise Azalee raises her hand
Pip Torok [08:32] oldbowl
Fern Leissa [08:32] Fern Leissa raises hand
Lilith Ivory [08:32] Lilith Ivory raises her hand
Shep Titian [08:32] Birch
Moonrise Azalee [08:32] Thank you... I was just going to say that I lived in Monastery, and did not find the prims an issue. Certainly not as difficult as say my 18 prim allowance in CN. Done
Shep Titian [08:33] thanks
[08:33] Fern
Ranma Tardis [08:33] raises hand
Shep Titian [08:33] Lilith after Fern then you Ran
Fern Leissa [08:34] I agree with Ranma. I do not yet want to see the sim shut down and I do to see a real advantage to convert it to a homestead
Tor Karlsvalt [08:34]
Shep Titian [08:34] Ok
[08:34] Bagheera Kristan is offline
[08:34] Lilith
Lilith Ivory [08:34] I´ve two comments
Fern Leissa [08:34] I would rather see an increase in tier across the sims it we cannot improve the vacancy rate by the end of the summmer
Rosie Gray [08:34] Rosie Gray raises hand
Lilith Ivory [08:35] firs the size of a parcel on a homestead can be designed how ever we want. It all depends on the prim factor
Fern Leissa [08:35] I would very much like to revisit some redesigning of the sim though I am very impressed with a lot of the builds that have gone up this past year. The sim looks very nice. done
Shep Titian [08:36] Thanks Fern
Lilith Ivory [08:36] second: I hate to say it but as far as I know we had problems with vacant land in LA from the beginning so I don´t know how long we should keep waiting for something to happen
Shep Titian [08:36] Good point .. we keep going there
[08:36] Ranm,a
Tor Karlsvalt [08:37] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
Shep Titian [08:37] After Ran Tor
Widget Whiteberry [08:37] Widget Whiteberry raises hand
Rosie Gray [08:38] Rosie Gray waves hand around
[08:38] ahem
Ranma Tardis [08:38] Think the problem is with the covenants and think if we loosed up on the rp of medevil will fill the sim
Shep Titian [08:38] Widget after Tor
Rosie Gray [08:38] I was after Ranma, Shep
Ranma Tardis [08:38] saying that I motion to end discussion and vote
Shep Titian [08:38] Rosie have OI missed you?
Rosie Gray [08:39] yes maam
[08:39] can I speak?
Shep Titian [08:39] Thanks RAn .. no vote today
[08:39] Rosie
[08:39] Bagheera Kristan is online
Rosie Gray [08:39] I think that we should get an answer from Delia and Jon first before doing anything else,
Ranma Tardis [08:40] coughs I must go
[08:40] 7 day on any vote please
Rosie Gray [08:40] and I wanted to say I agree with Ranma about loosing up the covenants would
Tanoujin Milestone [08:40] , Ranma, see you soon
Widget Whiteberry [08:40] Widget Whiteberry waits for her turn
Moonrise Azalee [08:40] Ran
Ranma Tardis [08:40] RL calls
Shep Titian [08:40] Ah ok Ranma .. this won't be voted on as Rosie says we need to see all the options
Callipygian Christensen [08:41] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[08:41] Bagheera Kristan is offline
Rosie Gray [08:41] and I also think that if all of these things don't work, then a homestead would be a good idea
[08:41] done
Shep Titian [08:41] Ok is getting out of kilter Widget
Widget Whiteberry [08:41] my turn?
Shep Titian [08:42] It was after Tor but he seems to have stopped
[08:42] So go ahead
Tor Karlsvalt [08:42] I agree with Lilith. If you look at the history of LA, it has been beset with constant problems. It is also somewhat of a danger politically as it allows for "invasion". I want to keep it nonetheless. But it needs a new focus. A new theme. Preferably one close to CN in character but more modern. The ancient theme just isn't a draw. Even in hard times, other sims seem more attractive to new people.
Shep Titian [08:42] oop he had'nt
Rosie Gray [08:43] Rosie Gray agrees with Tor too
Moonrise Azalee [08:43] Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement with Tor's words
Nolligan Nino [08:43] apologies for my absence - I had to tunnel through the great firewall to log in - and may disappear...
Rosie Gray [08:43] ?
Tanoujin Milestone [08:43] wb
Shep Titian [08:43] WB Nolli
Tor Karlsvalt [08:44] wb Nolli
Widget Whiteberry [08:44] hands Nolli a clean towel for the tunnel dust
Fern Leissa [08:44] hehe
Lilith Ivory [08:44] what Tor just said is the consent we had at the citizens meetings last term
Nolligan Nino [08:44] ?
Widget Whiteberry [08:45] Tor, are you done?
Tor Karlsvalt [08:45] Tor Karlsvalt wonders if the NSA is watching internet in China
[08:45] oh sorry syes
Widget Whiteberry [08:46] ok, me then?
Shep Titian [08:46] Good on ya Widget
Widget Whiteberry [08:46] smiles
[08:46] Before coming to CDS, I was the EM for a full sim. I was VERY attached to it, as attached as I might be to real land. Within my time constraints, I tried many ways to make it pay, but it wouldn't. It was wrenching to leave it behind. But, once I settled in here, all that went away.
[08:46] The existing theme begs for rp ….. but I don't think it's the only problem.
[08:46] Having no attachment to LA and just listening to talk about it these past months, I'm in favor of closing LA and focusing our efforts on the remaining 4 sims.
[08:47] Finally, a question: if we do that, close LA, have we resolved the persistent money leak?
[08:47] DONE (and thank you)
Shep Titian [08:47] Thank you Widget
Tor Karlsvalt [08:47] Tor Karlsvalt raises hand
Nolligan Nino [08:47] Point of information: as I crashed I was answering a question about Cedar Island - there are having ameeting as we speak scheduled to start at 08:00 am . Delia told me this.
Tor Karlsvalt [08:48] ah
Rosie Gray [08:48] 8 am today?
Shep Titian [08:48] Thanks Nolli yes we had that info
Tor Karlsvalt [08:48] Tor Karlsvalt heartened my the good news.
Shep Titian [08:48] Calli its your time?
[08:50] Ok Calli is leaving shortly .. but for the record she has left this comment that I entirely agree with .: I suggest asking Cedar to give some reply by a certain date - its unresonable for CDS to keep waiting on a possibility that has only sen one person form there speak about it or show interest here.
Moonrise Azalee [08:50] Moonrise Azalee raises her hand
Widget Whiteberry [08:51] Widget Whiteberry raises her hand
Shep Titian [08:51] Birch
Moonrise Azalee [08:52] thank you.. just a question that perhaps Tor can answer.. i know LA is losing money, however how is it in the scale of all sims. With all five together, are we breaking even or on the hole. Is LA the factor behind that? Just looking for an overall understandign of LA as part of the whole. Done
Tor Karlsvalt [08:53] Can I respond to birch
Shep Titian [08:53] Yes Tor
Tor Karlsvalt [08:53] Thank you
Antonius Camus [08:53] [whispers] Hiya.
Lilith Ivory [08:54] Hi Tony
Tor Karlsvalt [08:56] OK, this is getting ahead of my statement, but I have a spreadsheet showing a proposed tier increase. It is inter active. I am allowing you all access to one copy so you can plug in tier rates. In response to Birch, however, no it does't. CDS will still lose money without LA. Not as much, but some. Here is the link to the interactive sheet.
[08:57] on the summary page, if you have the tier rate, you will see how differing rates affect the balance of payments of LL tier. I note, that there are expenses over and above tier.
Moonrise Azalee [08:57] Moonrise Azalee nods
Shep Titian [08:57] But iof the people now in LA move .. its likely they will buy parcel elsewhere
Tor Karlsvalt [08:57] Web hosting for one, but also, events.
[08:58] Possibly shep. Tho that is uncertain.
[08:59] I also need to update a few occupancy codes. We have had a couple of new people since I posted that sheet.
[08:59] done
Shep Titian [08:59] And if they did'nt I would say CDS has an even bigger question to answer
Tor Karlsvalt [08:59] Well, I am allowed only 8 parcels. Three of them are now in LA.
Moonrise Azalee [09:00] Moonrise Azalee had a moment trying to find summary page---tab on bottom.. genius
Tor Karlsvalt [09:00] Tan is already a bit over extended in LA.
Tanoujin Milestone [09:00]
Shep Titian [09:00] Why do you buy 8 parcels?
Tor Karlsvalt [09:01] I should note, if Cedar wants in, we may want to consider changes to LA to make it suitable.
Tanoujin Milestone [09:01] to keep it up
Shep Titian [09:01] Do you use them all?
Tor Karlsvalt [09:01] Um, I use them. I have been in LA with the same three parcels for more than a year, maybe two.
Shep Titian [09:01] If we do that for Cedar we should look in general to change things
Moonrise Azalee [09:02] Moonrise Azalee would still love to see a brand new look for LA if kept.
Tor Karlsvalt [09:02] one parcel is only a fachwerk and prim parcel in NfS.
Moonrise Azalee [09:02] Moonrise Azalee nods
Tanoujin Milestone [09:03] sorry, my time is up. Thank you, great meeting.
Moonrise Azalee [09:03] ... if i may, people like to express their creativity and it can be difficult within the confines and be attractive to only certain groups of people. Not necessarily bad, but just difficult.
Tor Karlsvalt [09:03] I might point out, that with a tier increase LA might support a large event space.
Rosie Gray [09:03] Tan!
Tor Karlsvalt [09:03] just throwing that out.
Fern Leissa [09:03] Tan
Moonrise Azalee [09:03] Sorry Tan.. and yes i have to get goign here sooon too.
Callipygian Christensen [09:03] Callipygian Christensen raises her hand
[09:03] (back from the shower
Tor Karlsvalt [09:03] done
Shep Titian [09:03] Tan
Pip Torok [09:03] i must go as well folks ... see you all!
Shep Titian [09:03] Calli
Rosie Gray [09:03] Rosie Gray waves to Pip
Moonrise Azalee [09:03] Pip
Fern Leissa [09:04] [whispers] hair is still wet Calli
Pip Torok [09:04]
Shep Titian [09:04] Pip
Fern Leissa [09:04] Pip
Tor Karlsvalt [09:04] Tor Karlsvalt gets coffee
Callipygian Christensen [09:04] Personally I oppose tire increase. The surplus is there for this sort of thing - establish a wy to try to revive LA, set a date for it to work by or ot, then act accordingly, allowing the surplus to cover the shortfall in that time
Moonrise Azalee [09:05] Moonrise Azalee nods
Callipygian Christensen [09:05] Once before parcels were sold with no cost for land..just 3 months tier as first payment..
[09:06] that could be done again and advertised - its not as if each parcel hasnt been sold and covered its initial cost many times already
[09:06] done
Shep Titian [09:06] Likes it when the Dean speaks sence
Moonrise Azalee [09:06] Moonrise Azalee nods in agreement
Tor Karlsvalt [09:06] Tor Karlsvalt nods, that was a special arrangement and one I took advantage of when I bought me first parcel.
Shep Titian [09:06] Thank you Calli
Callipygian Christensen [09:06] Callipygian Christensen is speking as Calli
Fern Leissa [09:06] Fern Leissa raises hand
Rosie Gray [09:06] Rosie Gray likes Calli's idea
Callipygian Christensen [09:06] Tor..me too..in LA as a matter of fact
Tor Karlsvalt [09:07] Tor Karlsvalt notes also that land prices at the time were way out of proportion to reality.
Shep Titian [09:07] Ok we can agree a date while we are here
[09:07] Get iot on record
Callipygian Christensen [09:07] many many estates now folow the X months of tier, no actual cost of land model
Tor Karlsvalt [09:08] Tor Karlsvalt nods
Callipygian Christensen [09:08] ok..I am off to be a witness at a wedding..later everyone!
Fern Leissa [09:08] Calli
Tor Karlsvalt [09:08] Callie
Shep Titian [09:08] Yes I agree Calli .. you don't see them with a cost to buy these days
[09:08] Enjoy hun
Moonrise Azalee [09:09] Calli
Tor Karlsvalt [09:09] Ms. LRA, would you rather have my statement just posted to the forum?
Shep Titian [09:10] Ok we're down to two .. so lets get this wound up .. I will take this to the forum .. will start it up .. and we keep it on agenda until a decision is made
[09:10] Agree to move on Birch?
Moonrise Azalee [09:10] Aye
[09:10] Moonrise Azalee smiles
Shep Titian [09:11] Aye
[09:12] He needs a poke
Tor Karlsvalt [09:12] oh sorry
[09:12] me?
Shep Titian [09:12] Yay
Tor Karlsvalt [09:12]
[09:13] Oh ok, it is long and I was going to post it to the forum anyway.
[09:13] But I can just jet it in if you like.
Shep Titian [09:13] Yes its meant to go there first
Tor Karlsvalt [09:13] ok
[09:13] here or in the forum?
Shep Titian [09:13] It goes forum/ amend if needed / to RA
Widget Whiteberry [09:13] Widget Whiteberry bio break .... will read up shortly
Tor Karlsvalt [09:14] ok
[09:14] I do ask that we have another RA this month however.
Shep Titian [09:14] Ok so will you post it formally and then we can ratify next meeting
Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] ok
Rosie Gray [09:15] have to go all... now
Shep Titian [09:15] lovely
Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] Roise
Moonrise Azalee [09:15] Rosie
Tor Karlsvalt [09:15] Rosie
Shep Titian [09:15] Rosie hun thanks for coming
Moonrise Azalee [09:15] Does it have to be this month?
Shep Titian [09:15] Ok Birch .. next meeting
[09:16] No we can do a monthly one
Moonrise Azalee [09:16] Moonrise Azalee looks over at Tor
Shep Titian [09:16] Sat 3rd August?
Tor Karlsvalt [09:16] It would be nice to resolve a tier issue this month.
[09:17] One way or another.
Moonrise Azalee [09:17] Sat 3rd August works for me.. i am gone from the 22nd til the end of the month for July
Shep Titian [09:17] Well Atm you have 3-4 nays
Tor Karlsvalt [09:17] Tor Karlsvalt marks his Calendar.
Moonrise Azalee [09:18] Can we make it 8am or does it need to be 7? 7 is a smidge too early :/
[09:18] tho i can do it
Shep Titian [09:18] So if you push it I think you'd lose
Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] Tor Karlsvalt reflects on the power of the purse.
Shep Titian [09:18] Lets do 8 am hun
Moonrise Azalee [09:18] Moonrise Azalee smiles
[09:18] ok so August 3rd, Saturday 8am
Shep Titian [09:18] this was a long meeting today
Moonrise Azalee [09:18] Hell yeah
Tor Karlsvalt [09:18] yes, but a good one
Shep Titian [09:19] Yep ..
Fern Leissa [09:19] Agreed
Tor Karlsvalt [09:19] I think it ed to frame some of the issues.
Moonrise Azalee [09:19] Moonrise Azalee nods
[09:19] ive got to get back onto the forums for discussion further regarding topics today.
Tor Karlsvalt [09:19] the Cedar meeting must be over. Jon logged.
Shep Titian [09:20] Yes Tor .. oh I should ask Tor do you want to give any statement atm?
Tor Karlsvalt [09:20] haha
Shep Titian [09:20] 
Tor Karlsvalt [09:20] Well it was a long one, I could do it now or post it
Shep Titian [09:20] Does it need a vote?
Tor Karlsvalt [09:22] hmmm, well maybe the part relating to a proposed tier increase. Perhaps that should just be included in the agenda for next meeting.
[09:22] at best I expected it to be tabled today anyway.
Shep Titian [09:22] Yes .. we're not quorate now
Tor Karlsvalt [09:22] I could just add something about SL10
Shep Titian [09:23] Yes good go ahead .. you have the floor
Tor Karlsvalt [09:23] Thanks
[09:23] First let me state we had a successful exhibit at SL10B. I heard from a number of you via IM and some posted to the forum how well they enjoyed the exhibit. I must thank some for all the hard work they did for CDS in putting on the exhibit. First of all, Lilith Ivory make a wonderful pavilion. I think without her work we would not have had such a successful exhibit. But also important were the contributions from Sudane, who always comes through with an informative exhibit about our mission, Gwyn who provided some old pictures and a history of CDS, Trebor who ed assembled some historic dates and um, myself for creating the timeline. (Don't want to be immodest but that was some work.)
[09:23] I will place the exhibit on some land I own in Alpine Meadow for any who might have missed it.
[09:24] I would also note that we have some new people in CDS. Fern is back as well as AmelieScarlett,
Cleo Xigalia, and Seraphiel Galaxy. We have one other old timer who's name escapes me at the moment.
Widget Whiteberry [09:24] Widget Whiteberry makes a note to see that exhibit ... in lag free environment
Moonrise Azalee [09:25] Moonrise Azalee nods and makes a similar note
Tor Karlsvalt [09:25] I would also, like to thank you all for a very good RA meeting today. Thanks to Shep for running it very well.
Moonrise Azalee [09:25] Moonrise Azalee claps
[09:25] WOOT
Tor Karlsvalt [09:25] done
Fern Leissa [09:25] clap clap clap thank you Shep!
Shep Titian [09:25] Aww shoot thx
Tor Karlsvalt [09:25]
Shep Titian [09:25] Keep the old girl onside!
Moonrise Azalee [09:25]
Shep Titian [09:26] hehehehehehehehehehe
[09:26] Anyone else got anything?
Tor Karlsvalt [09:26]
Widget Whiteberry [09:26] nope
Moonrise Azalee [09:26] nada
Shep Titian [09:26] Ok I propose we adjourn
Moonrise Azalee [09:27] i second that
Shep Titian [09:27] Vote .. aye
Moonrise Azalee [09:27] AYE