RA Town Hall Meeting 15 March 2010: Transcript - Part 1

[mikeloserevi]

[9:17] Lilith Ivory: Hi Sonja
[9:17] Sonja Strom: hi Mikelo!
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: Hi Arria
[9:17] Mikelo Serevi: we were wondering why it was so quiet at the other place
[9:17] Lilith Ivory: we were waiting in AA lol
[9:17] Arria Perreault: Hi Mikelo
[9:17] Arria Perreault: Hi Lilith
[9:17] Mikelo Serevi: hi
[9:17] Sonja Strom: oh, ups
[9:18] Arria Perreault: Well, was the Town Hall announced somewhere?
[9:18] Lilith Ivory: Hi Kaseido
[9:18] Kaseido Quandry: hi Lilith!
[9:18] Sonja Strom: hi Kaseido!
[9:18] Arria Perreault: Hi Kaseido
[9:18] Kaseido Quandry: hi Arria
[9:18] Lilith Ivory: maybe at the calendar - not sure
[9:19] Arria Perreault: possible
[9:19] Kaseido Quandry: it was on the calendar - but no inworld announcements went out till just now
[9:19] Kaseido Quandry: I'd been waiting around to see if it was a timezone issue, maybe
[9:19] Lilith Ivory: I might have to go afk or poof suddenly as I´m waiting for a call
[9:19] Mikelo Serevi: it's a regular schedule, but then we announce when it starts, too
[9:19] Arria Perreault: here it's a nice place too
[9:19] Mikelo Serevi: people tend to forget
[9:20] Mikelo Serevi: myself included
[9:20] Arria Perreault: we can start
[9:20] Lilith Ivory: I only know about your daylight saving time because of my US hubby
[9:20] Arria Perreault: maybe other people will join
[9:20] Arria Perreault: does anyone has a topic to bring here?
[9:20] Lilith Ivory: don´t think the Lindens announced it this time
[9:20] Arria Perreault: Hi Sylvia
[9:20] Lilith Ivory: Hi Sylvia
[9:21] Sylvia Tinkel: hello
[9:21] Arria Perreault: I was just asking for topics
[9:21] Sonja Strom: hi Sylvia!
[9:21] Sylvia Tinkel: Hi Sonja
[9:21] Sylvia Tinkel: can't see yet
[9:21] Sylvia Tinkel: gimme a sec
[9:21] Arria Perreault: np
[9:22] Arria Perreault: any topic to open the discussion?
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: I´m curious about the rest of your team Sonja
[9:22] Lilith Ivory: maybe you could tell us about
[9:23] Sonja Strom: about the executive team?
[9:23] Lilith Ivory: yes
[9:23] Sonja Strom: so far there is me, Sudane and you...
[9:23] Sonja Strom: unless the SC decided against your being on the team -
[9:23] Object whispers: mmmm..., tea!
[9:24] Arria Perreault: Hi Imotali
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: ah I see
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: Hi Imotali
[9:24] Sylvia Tinkel: Hello Imotali
[9:24] Sonja Strom: which I certainly hope they will support.
[9:24] Imotali Antiesse: Hi everyone
[9:24] Sonja Strom: Hi Imotali!
[9:24] Sonja Strom: I have asked several others if they would like to be, and they have said no.
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: I can´t see what should be wrong with me collecting litter
[9:24] Lilith Ivory: not a very powerful office lol
[9:24] Sonja Strom: me either, lol
[9:24] Sylvia Tinkel: haha
[9:25] Sonja Strom: I'm really glad you will do it
[9:25] Sylvia Tinkel: I thin it's jsut a technicality isn't it?
[9:25] Lilith Ivory: I´d like too as I can´t walk across litter anyway hehe
[9:25] Sonja Strom: if anyone else wants to volunteer, please contact me or have them contact me.
[9:25] Sonja Strom: yeah, I'm like that too
[9:26] Arria Perreault: yes, we need volunteering ...
[9:26] Arria Perreault: but civil servants get paid
[9:26] Arria Perreault: not a lot, I admit. But they get something.
[9:27] Sonja Strom: that's true
[9:27] Lilith Ivory: well, you won´t get rich with that money hehe
[9:27] Sonja Strom: maybe I can restate it
[9:27] Arria Perreault: I know
[9:27] Sonja Strom: if anybody would like to work for the CDS, please contact me
[9:27] Sylvia Tinkel: I'm not a citizen still
[9:27] Arria Perreault: maybe I have a topic
[9:27] Sylvia Tinkel: or i would volounteer for stuff like that maybe
[9:28] Sonja Strom: great Sylvia, we can talk more after the meeting
[9:28] Arria Perreault: I am very interested by the dvelopment of the homestead sim Sacromonte
[9:28] Sylvia Tinkel: sure
[9:28] Lilith Ivory: doesn´t it count as a citizen to have a shop in AA?
[9:28] Arria Perreault: usually you are the owner of the parcel where you have your shop
[9:29] Arria Perreault: I am not sure for the commercial parcels that the last Executif had organized
[9:29] Lilith Ivory: didn´t Rose say AA founded a group for the merchants in AA so they can become a citizen
[9:30] Lilith Ivory: before the merger
[9:30] Sylvia Tinkel: the AA peopel have group citizenship or somethign right?
[9:30] Arria Perreault: for the Market?
[9:30] Mikelo Serevi: that's still being worked out, but I think many do, yes
[9:30] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[9:30] Lilith Ivory: I thought so
[9:31] Arria Perreault: everyone who has a booth there is citizen?
[9:31] Lilith Ivory: you were there also when Rose talked about it
[9:31] Arria Perreault: on Friday?
[9:31] Lilith Ivory: I´ll have to read the transcript again
[9:31] Lilith Ivory: yes
[9:31] Arria Perreault: ok
[9:32] Arria Perreault: we are working on the definition of the citizen
[9:32] Arria Perreault: all inpus and experiences are welcome
[9:32] Arria Perreault: inputs*
[9:32] Lilith Ivory: will you send a note when the workgroup is meeting?
[9:32] Sylvia Tinkel: Hello Pat
[9:32] Arria Perreault: Hi Pat
[9:32] Lilith Ivory: I´d be very interested to join you
[9:32] Lilith Ivory: hi Pat
[9:32] Patroklus Murakami: hi everyone
[9:33] Imotali Antiesse: hi Pat
[9:33] Arria Perreault: I think, yes
[9:33] Arria Perreault: Mikelo is in charge to organize the meeting
[9:33] Mikelo Serevi: yes, I'll send group notices beforehand
[9:33] Lilith Ivory: great
[9:34] Arria Perreault: may we talk about Sacromonte or I am the only one to be interested by this topic?
[9:34] Patroklus Murakami: aah, clocks changed in california? i wondered why i was an hour out!
[9:34] Imotali Antiesse: Yes Sunday 14 March DST
[9:34] Lilith Ivory: didn´t time change in all US?
[9:34] Kaseido Quandry: yep, I suspect that caught a bunch of us
[9:34] Arria Perreault: (I understand now)
[9:34] Kaseido Quandry: almost all -
[9:35] Sylvia Tinkel: I thought the time doesn't change until 2:00 AM this evening
[9:35] Patroklus Murakami: catches me every time
[9:35] Kaseido Quandry: a lot of people do that - it's 2am going into Sunday, not coming out of it
[9:35] Mikelo Serevi: luckily, my phone is smarter than me
[9:35] Sylvia Tinkel: oh
[9:35] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:35] Sylvia Tinkel: so what's the official time now?
[9:35] Sonja Strom: hehee
[9:35] Sylvia Tinkel: 9:30 or 8:30?
[9:35] Lilith Ivory: I´d wish europe would change at the same day
[9:36] Kaseido Quandry: 9:30 - the viewer clock is right
[9:36] Sylvia Tinkel: 9:30 i guess
[9:36] Sylvia Tinkel: right
[9:36] Arria Perreault: no, Lilith, it's too fun so
[9:36] Sonja Strom: in SL? It is 9:30, yes.
[9:36] Lilith Ivory: lol
[9:36] Arria Perreault: I don't think officials in Europ have ever heard about the issue it bring in SL
[9:37] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[9:37] Lilith Ivory: but they should...
[9:37] Arria Perreault: last call for Sacromonte topic ...
[9:37] Lilith Ivory: and one of our faction leaders has an official SL Avatar hehe
[9:37] Sylvia Tinkel: I think you should talk about it if you want Arria
[9:37] Arria Perreault: ok
[9:38] Arria Perreault: Sacromonte is empty since the coptic church has left
[9:38] Arria Perreault: as you know, empty sim = no fees to the treasurer
[9:39] Arria Perreault: in the same time, there is a waiting list of people who want a parcel in AA
[9:39] Arria Perreault: Rose said 4 in the forums
[9:39] Arria Perreault: I think it could be a good project to bring CDS and AA together
[9:39] Lilith Ivory: we talked about that in the guild already
[9:40] Arria Perreault: we could work with our usual process
[9:40] Arria Perreault: with the Guild
[9:40] Arria Perreault: goog
[9:40] Lilith Ivory: the problem is there are only few guild meetings lately
[9:40] Arria Perreault: good*
[9:40] Arria Perreault: yes, but if the project is interesting, people will come
[9:40] Sylvia Tinkel: Who is on the guild?
[9:40] Arria Perreault: Moon is the chair
[9:40] Arria Perreault: and everyone can go
[9:40] Lilith Ivory: the problem is Moons tight schedule
[9:41] Sylvia Tinkel: I haven't seen her
[9:41] Arria Perreault: yes, we can do a team work
[9:41] Lilith Ivory: and without chair no meeting
[9:41] Arria Perreault: usually we create a workgroup and we report to the Guild
[9:41] Sylvia Tinkel: the Guild sure doesn't sound very active
[9:41] Patroklus Murakami: does the guild have a deputy chair? like the RA has the 'pro tem' leader for times when the LRA can't make it?
[9:41] Arria Perreault: so the chair must not be directl involved, but look the project at the end as an expert
[9:42] Arria Perreault: good question, pat
[9:42] Arria Perreault: in the past, Moon asked me sometimes to chair when I was chair of the Faculty
[9:42] Arria Perreault: so the chair of the Faculty could do
[9:43] Patroklus Murakami: i'm sure if we took a decision to develop a sim, a workgroup would soon form
[9:43] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:43] Sylvia Tinkel: where is Sacromonte sim?
[9:43] Sylvia Tinkel: i don't see it on the map
[9:43] Arria Perreault: the sim is already there, but rather raw now
[9:43] Sylvia Tinkel: am i spelling it wrong?
[9:43] Patroklus Murakami: ne corner
[9:43] Arria Perreault: NE
[9:43] Patroklus Murakami: next to albaycin and generalife
[9:44] Sylvia Tinkel: oh okay
[9:44] Sylvia Tinkel: "Al Andalus Sacromonte"
[9:44] Arria Perreault: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Al%20Andalu ... 113/141/24
[9:44] Sylvia Tinkel: didn't come up in search for plain old Sacromonte
[9:44] Sylvia Tinkel: right
[9:44] Sylvia Tinkel: thanks
[9:44] Arria Perreault: it's an homestead sim
[9:44] Arria Perreault: we can set at least 6 parcels
[9:44] Patroklus Murakami: rose said there was a group which had 'ideas' for sacromonte. anyone know anything about that?
[9:45] Imotali Antiesse: The last time I heard Rose suggested some parade event there during Cultural meet.
[9:45] Arria Perreault: I don't know more, Pat
[9:45] Sonja Strom: I wonder about that too Pat
[9:45] Sylvia Tinkel: when will it be for sale
[9:45] Arria Perreault: I would like to know who are these citizen and then we can work together
[9:46] Patroklus Murakami: rose also asked "who to the approach? Me? Sudane? the Guild? Sonja? "
[9:46] Patroklus Murakami: which is a good question
[9:46] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:46] Arria Perreault: we have a process
[9:46] Sylvia Tinkel: the Guild I think
[9:46] Patroklus Murakami: if someone wanted to do something with sacromonte, who should they talk to?
[9:46] Sylvia Tinkel: is the proper route
[9:46] Arria Perreault: Guild -> RA -> Executif
[9:46] Sylvia Tinkel: but it appears to not meet much
[9:46] Sylvia Tinkel: and be empty of members?
[9:46] Patroklus Murakami: i'm not sure the guild is the right answer
[9:47] Lilith Ivory: I talked about Sacromonte a few times with some other people
[9:47] Lilith Ivory: not really a group
[9:47] Arria Perreault: a workgroup of citizen then
[9:47] Patroklus Murakami: i would say exec>RA>guild
[9:47] Arria Perreault: better, Pat
[9:47] Sonja Strom: I once talked with Delia about Sacromonte and she told me to talk with Rose.
[9:47] Sylvia Tinkel: for development of the sim it shold be the guild
[9:47] Sylvia Tinkel: what to do with the sim
[9:47] Sylvia Tinkel: is the RA
[9:47] Arria Perreault: and we have to involve citizen
[9:47] Sylvia Tinkel: but that should already have been decided when it was joined sorta
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: Moon said the guild would have to ask the RA
[9:48] Lilith Ivory: last time I saw her
[9:48] Sylvia Tinkel:
[9:48] Sonja Strom:
[9:49] Patroklus Murakami: feels like we are in one of those loops we used to get into where no one knows who is responsible it's to be expected soon after the merger i suppose
[9:49] Lilith Ivory: when AA joined the Sim was occupied as far as I know
[9:49] Patroklus Murakami: yes lilith, i think it was
[9:49] Sylvia Tinkel: then probably Pat is right
[9:49] Arria Perreault: NL 8-2 "In-Theme" Expansion Act
[9:49] Sylvia Tinkel: the exec or RA has to determine what to do with it
[9:49] Arria Perreault: http://portal.slcds.info/index.php?id=214
[9:49] Patroklus Murakami: and we probably didn't give enought thought to 'what happens when someone leaves?'
[9:49] Sylvia Tinkel: then the Guild would be tasked with the actual dooing i think
[9:49] Mikelo Serevi: The name sounds familiar, I'd swear I'd been there
[9:49] Mikelo Serevi: I don't remember it though
[9:50] Sylvia Tinkel: can the plots be sold now?
[9:50] Sylvia Tinkel: or does the disposition of the whole sim have to be solved first?
[9:50] Lilith Ivory: the Sim where the copts have been
[9:50] Patroklus Murakami: i don't think it's divided into plots (but could be wrong)
[9:50] Arria Perreault: yes
[9:50] Lilith Ivory: it´s not devided
[9:50] Arria Perreault: there is no plots currently
[9:51] Arria Perreault: I am looking for the masterplan of AA
[9:51] Sylvia Tinkel: so Sudane would have to be involved
[9:51] Sylvia Tinkel: to divide it then
[9:51] Sylvia Tinkel whispers: ?
[9:51] Arria Perreault: it's important to know the potential income of these sims
[9:51] Mikelo Serevi: hmm, it's interesting to have a blank slate
[9:51] Patroklus Murakami: presumably an individual could offer to take it on as a homestead and agree to pay tier for it?
[9:52] Sylvia Tinkel: I would do that if I didn't already have a homestead
[9:52] Lilith Ivory: yes I think that was the case at the time of the merger
[9:52] Arria Perreault: well ... I would prefer to see several parcels -> moe citizen
[9:52] Sylvia Tinkel: right
[9:53] Arria Perreault: to rent it to one person will not solve the question of the waiting list
[9:53] Arria Perreault: here are the questions the RA asks for a project of development:
[9:53] Arria Perreault: (i) the rough number of plots (ii) the range of sizes of plots (iii) price and affordability (iv) single/double prim (v) rough balance between public, private and commercial land (vi) any specific public builds e.g. the ampitheatre (vii) any other infrastructure that can serve the interest of the community and territory
[9:54] Patroklus Murakami: well, is there a really a problem with the waiting list? i know sylvia is waiting, and rose mentions 3 others interested in AA. but how many CDS parcels are for sale?
[9:54] Sylvia Tinkel: I'm also not on any official list as far as I know
[9:54] Sylvia Tinkel: but rose knows i'm interested
[9:54] Arria Perreault: the yellow map shows only one
[9:54] Arria Perreault: I think Sudane should make a list
[9:54] Lilith Ivory: and the people on the waiting list are interested in the spanish theme
[9:55] Lilith Ivory: Rose tried but they didn´t want to have a parcel in our other Sims
[9:55] Arria Perreault: Sylvia, are you interested by a plot in Sacromonte?
[9:55] Kaseido Quandry laughs. "Seems a premature question till there's a theme and a build!"
[9:55] Sylvia Tinkel: well i'm thinking of opening a store
[9:56] Sylvia Tinkel: but actually what i will likely sell woudl be better in Neufriestadt
[9:56] Sylvia Tinkel: Fahcwerks etc.
[9:56] Arria Perreault: ok
[9:56] Sylvia Tinkel: So the question is what them will Sacromonte be
[9:56] Sylvia Tinkel: how rigid that is
[9:56] Sylvia Tinkel: and will it allow stores?
[9:56] Lilith Ivory: guild is talking about a Sim next to the Schloss also
[9:56] Sylvia Tinkel: *theme
[9:57] Arria Perreault: yes, but we have to see if we can afford a new sim today
[9:57] Arria Perreault: Sacromonte is there, but empty
[9:57] Mikelo Serevi: Is that where I heard of it?
[9:57] Sylvia Tinkel: for me the issue is also that I can't do anythign as a non citizen
[9:57] Mikelo Serevi: the expansion for the schloss?
[9:57] Sylvia Tinkel: so i have to buy a sort of fake polot somewhere
[9:57] Lilith Ivory: we can´t bring Sacromonte next to the Schloss as it is a homestead
[9:57] Sylvia Tinkel: *plot
[9:57] Arria Perreault: I think a move is not free
[9:58] Mikelo Serevi: no, they charge
[9:58] Arria Perreault: LL will charge us
[9:58] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[9:58] Arria Perreault: but it's less expensive than a new sim
[9:58] Sonja Strom: Sylvia, you and I can stay in contact about finding a good property for you here.
[9:58] Sylvia Tinkel: it could be used as a public resource instead of selling it
[9:58] Lilith Ivory: wasn´t the plan to build the Schloss across the Sim border to have a better place for events?
[9:59] Sylvia Tinkel: like a market in the middle of a natural setting
[9:59] Lilith Ivory: THAT WOULD NOT WORK WITH A HOMESTEAD ANYWAY
[9:59] Sylvia Tinkel: so that residents could sell their stuff there
[9:59] Sylvia Tinkel: or an event venue
[9:59] Lilith Ivory: sorry - didn´t mean to use caps
[9:59] Sylvia Tinkel:
[9:59] Arria Perreault: right
[9:59] Sonja Strom: no need to shout about it, Lilith!
[9:59] Sonja Strom: hahaa
[9:59] Sylvia Tinkel: haha
[9:59] Patroklus Murakami: sylvia, what do you want to do that you can't currently do as a non-citizen?
[9:59] Lilith Ivory: hehe - I apopogize
[10:00] Sonja Strom: np
[10:00] Sylvia Tinkel: well don't i have to be a citizen to build things?
[10:00] Sylvia Tinkel: i thought i did
[10:00] Patroklus Murakami: build things where?
[10:00] Sylvia Tinkel: or volounteer etc.
[10:00] Sylvia Tinkel: well i'm a builder
[10:00] Sylvia Tinkel: and i'd like to volounteer to build things
[10:00] Sylvia Tinkel: dont' i have to be a citizen to do that ?
[10:00] Arria Perreault: come to the Guild
[10:01] Patroklus Murakami: i think we would welcome volunteers whether they are citizens or not pls try the guild, they should welcome the offers of help
[10:01] Sylvia Tinkel: okay
[10:01] Sylvia Tinkel: i was prety sure i had to be a citizen to join the guild
[10:01] Sylvia Tinkel: but i'd also like to have a small shop anyway
[10:01] Arria Perreault: to vote maybe
[10:01] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[10:01] Sonja Strom: Sylvia, the guild no longer has a specific membership.
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: as far as I know you have to be a citizen to be able to vote
[10:02] Sylvia Tinkel: really
[10:02] Sylvia Tinkel: ?
[10:02] Sonja Strom: Those who show up can participate in the meetings.
[10:02] Patroklus Murakami: aah, yes. you won't be able to vote until you are a citizen
[10:02] Sonja Strom: with voting that is true, yes
[10:02] Sylvia Tinkel: The Guild is not as powerful as it used to be
[10:02] Lilith Ivory: not at all
[10:02] Patroklus Murakami: and as for shops, well we have limited commercial property but you could ask someone if they would be prepared to sell to you
[10:02] Sonja Strom: no, the role of the Guild has changed some
[10:03] Arria Perreault: yes, Pat's idea is good
[10:03] Sylvia Tinkel: maybe i'll just open a shop in Arosa
[10:03] Sonja Strom: you can have both Sylvia
[10:03] Sylvia Tinkel: I'll email Moon maybe
[10:03] Arria Perreault: yes, good idea
[10:03] Sonja Strom: I can help you to get a shop in the CDS
[10:03] Sonja Strom: and Arosa...
[10:03] Sonja Strom: but both are good
[10:04] Sylvia Tinkel:
[10:04] Sylvia Tinkel: thanks Sonja
[10:04] Arria Perreault: all plots people intent to sell are not for sale ...
[10:04] Arria Perreault: like the house I have here
[10:04] Arria Perreault: if someone is interested by a senatorial villa ...
[10:05] Arria Perreault: back to Sacromonte
[10:05] Sylvia Tinkel:
[10:05] Arria Perreault: can we do something ?
[10:05] Arria Perreault: first we have to know who are the poeple who are interested to work on this project
[10:06] Arria Perreault: we can ask Rose
[10:06] Mikelo Serevi: There seems to be a need for inexpensive plots to let people buy in to CDS
[10:06] Arria Perreault: yes
[10:06] Sylvia Tinkel: or a redefinition of citizenship
[10:06] Arria Perreault: I can imagine the parcels will be cheap
[10:06] Sylvia Tinkel: so tht land purchase is not necessary
[10:07] Sylvia Tinkel: not saying which i agree with but that idea has been floated as well
[10:07] Patroklus Murakami: that needs a lot of discussion sylvia
[10:07] Arria Perreault: we can calculate this easely
[10:07] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[10:07] Arria Perreault: in this case, the land has already be sold
[10:07] Arria Perreault: it's more problematic for a new sim
[10:07] Arria Perreault: because we need money to finance it
[10:08] Patroklus Murakami: is there an issue with putting several rentals onto a homestead sim like sacromonte? i know we do the same with teh MOnastery, how does that work? i think the other CDS homesteads are rented to individuals
[10:09] Arria Perreault: the Monastery sim had to be financially sustainable
[10:09] Arria Perreault: there are 7 parcels, including the one of the Monastery
[10:09] Lilith Ivory: Hi Stui
[10:09] Sylvia Tinkel: Hey Stui
[10:09] Arria Perreault: Hi Stui
[10:10] Arria Perreault: the 6 others are to individuals
[10:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Evening !
[10:10] Lilith Ivory: we are talking about Sacromonte at the moment
[10:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: ah ha
[10:10] Sonja Strom: hi Stui
[10:10] Arria Perreault: in the masterplan, the Monastery can caver its costs even when they will be 125 US $
[10:10] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Evening Sonja
[10:10] Arria Perreault: cover*
[10:11] Arria Perreault: there is few public prims in Monastery sim
[10:11] Patroklus Murakami: how does it work for the renters arria? how do the limitations of a homestead sim affect them? there was some concern about this before the RA chose to set up the monastery in this way
[10:11] Arria Perreault: until now, I did not hear any claim
[10:12] Arria Perreault: except the Monastery, it's residential
[10:12] Sylvia Tinkel: hello Frances
[10:12] Frances Ying: hello
[10:12] Lilith Ivory: hi Frances
[10:12] Frances Ying: hello
[10:12] Arria Perreault: and the Monastery doesnt work with events
[10:12] Patroklus Murakami: okay, so with a limited number of plots it might work well?
[10:12] Arria Perreault: Hi Frances
[10:12] Frances Ying: hi
[10:13] Patroklus Murakami: maybe half a dozen bedouin tents?
[10:13] Sylvia Tinkel:
[10:13] Sylvia Tinkel: I could live in a tent
[10:13] Sonja Strom: Hi Frances
[10:13] Arria Perreault: for the newcomers, we are talking about the possibility to start a development poject in the sim Sacromonte, as it is empty now
[10:13] Frances Ying: hi
[10:13] Arria Perreault: to solve the issue of the waiting list for AA parcels
[10:13] Sylvia Tinkel: maybe it should be a more desert like sim
[10:14] Arria Perreault:
[10:14] Sylvia Tinkel: to denote it's sparser prims
[10:14] Mikelo Serevi: yes, we could install an oasis
[10:14] Sylvia Tinkel:
[10:14] Sylvia Tinkel: yeah
[10:14] Arria Perreault: well the sim cannot give unused prims to other sims
[10:14] Sylvia Tinkel: camels!
[10:14] StuiChicanne Darkstone: does anyone know the extent of the waiting list ?
[10:14] Sylvia Tinkel: true
[10:14] Arria Perreault: Rose said 4 poeple
[10:15] Arria Perreault: in a homestead sim, we can have 6-8 parcels and few public prims
[10:15] Lilith Ivory: a few houses in a nice landscape would be great
[10:16] Arria Perreault: yes
[10:16] Sylvia Tinkel: I like Pat's tent idea
[10:16] Arria Perreault: or even, parcelling and convenant
[10:16] Sylvia Tinkel: maybe an arabian market
[10:17] Arria Perreault: parcelling, terraforming, a few infrastructure (like roads) and a convenant
[10:17] Patroklus Murakami: oasis trading post?
[10:17] Arria Perreault: and people can install or build their own house
[10:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think owing to it's coastal edge
[10:17] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it'd make good smugglers cove type things
[10:18] Arria Perreault: a beach
[10:18] Patroklus Murakami: that's a great idea stui
[10:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: or fishing things
[10:18] Sylvia Tinkel: doesn't it have to be spanish/muslim though?
[10:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: well yes
[10:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it does
[10:18] Sylvia Tinkel: the beach in CN is kind of lame as far as beaches in SL goes
[10:18] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but there must be a coastal solution
[10:18] Lilith Ivory: it should fit the theme of the joining Sims
[10:18] Lilith Ivory: of course
[10:19] Sylvia Tinkel: I like to fish sometimes in SL
[10:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm looking at the map
[10:19] Sylvia Tinkel: but it doesn't attact hundreds of people or anythign
[10:19] Sylvia Tinkel: boating attracts more
[10:19] Arria Perreault: is it the end of our world in the general Masterplan?
[10:19] StuiChicanne Darkstone: if we look into the fishing of the period
[10:20] StuiChicanne Darkstone: perhaps we can find a residential solution related to coastal life
[10:20] Arria Perreault: yes
[10:20] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but in the corner
[10:20] StuiChicanne Darkstone: there are two buildings
[10:21] Sylvia Tinkel: it only has two parcels that would really have coast if it's divided into the usual four pieces
[10:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: so for aesthetics we may need to find a way to link those into the space
[10:21] Arria Perreault: are you part of the group of citizen already interested by this project, Stui?
[10:21] Patroklus Murakami: so, the first step would be for the RA to ask the Guild to prepare a proposal for developing the sim along the lines discussed and with the information they need as described in the 'in-theme' expansion act
[10:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: no I've been so busy in RL lately
[10:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I am not sure
[10:21] Arria Perreault: ok
[10:21] Arria Perreault: I agree, Pat
[10:21] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but looking at the map
[10:22] StuiChicanne Darkstone: there's a discrepency between the edges of the sims
[10:22] StuiChicanne Darkstone: on two sides
[10:22] Lilith Ivory: brb phone
[10:22] Sylvia Tinkel: it looks like it needs some terraforming anyway
[10:23] Patroklus Murakami: what is albaycin used for?
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: it's a nature reserve
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I know that much
[10:23] Sylvia Tinkel: also a homestead?
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: yep
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I think so
[10:23] Patroklus Murakami: ah, okay. does anyone know who pays for it as a homestead?
[10:23] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I know it has links to Delia
[10:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: she set up the nature reserve
[10:24] Arria Perreault: we really need this masterplan for AA
[10:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: maybe
[10:24] Patroklus Murakami: rose said "Delia has an island that has several parcels that have been ready for sale since shortly after the merger, but they are awaiting pricing as far as i know."
[10:24] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we could have a quarry type settlement
[10:25] Sylvia Tinkel: what island?
[10:25] Patroklus Murakami: i assume that's albaycin
[10:25] Arria Perreault: the masterplan is the list of parcels with fees, amount of prims and public prims
[10:25] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I see an island on Almunecar
[10:26] Arria Perreault: yes, a small island
[10:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: you know
[10:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: would it be a ridiculous idea to actually go there
[10:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and have a look
[10:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and see what we see
[10:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and what we feel it needs
[10:26] StuiChicanne Darkstone: ?
[10:27] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we can be pioneers
[10:27] Sylvia Tinkel: I don't see that we have the information we need to make any kind of decisions
[10:27] Sylvia Tinkel: wb Lilith
[10:27] Arria Perreault: it's a long process, Sylvia
[10:28] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[10:28] Sonja Strom: wb Lilith
[10:28] Lilith Ivory: thanks
[10:28] Sylvia Tinkel: i meant today we don't
[10:28] Lilith Ivory: evil crash hehe
[10:28] Arria Perreault: and we have to find these information first
[10:28] Sylvia Tinkel: I konw even less than you Arria
[10:28] Sylvia Tinkel: so i haven't much to say
[10:28] Arria Perreault: but I think it could be a challenging project for our community
[10:29] Sylvia Tinkel: maybe both homestead sims could have residential plots
[10:29] Sylvia Tinkel: as well as being nature reserves
[10:30] Arria Perreault: it seems that the sim of Delia will have parcels too
[10:30] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[10:30] Lilith Ivory: aren´t those sky plots?
[10:30] Arria Perreault: it could be interesting to know how many and for what price
[10:30] Arria Perreault: we can ask Delia for the details
[10:32] Arria Perreault: do we discuss an other topic?
[10:32] Patroklus Murakami: shall we put this on the agenda for next week's RA meeting and post something on the forums?
[10:32] Arria Perreault: yes, I agree
[10:32] Patroklus Murakami: then ppl can get thinking about how/if to develop sacromonte
[10:33] Arria Perreault: I am ready to write a post and people can say their ideas
[10:33] Patroklus Murakami: great
[10:33] Arria Perreault: and I take it as point for next RA meeting
[10:34] Sylvia Tinkel: sounds good to me
[10:34] Lilith Ivory: yes
[10:35] Arria Perreault:
[10:35] Lilith Ivory: Hi Sorayah
[10:35] Sorayah Sarrasine: hello
[10:35] Arria Perreault: Hi Sorayah
[10:35] Sorayah Sarrasine: sorry to disturb your meeting
[10:36] Arria Perreault: have a seat
[10:37] Arria Perreault: any other topic?
[10:38] Arria Perreault: should we ask the european community to set the change of time in the same time than US to facilitate the life of CDS residents?
[10:38] Mikelo Serevi: hear hear
[10:38] Lilith Ivory: hehe I´d apreciate that
[10:38] Arria Perreault:
[10:38] Mikelo Serevi: or maybe the US can scrap daylight savings
[10:39] Kaseido Quandry: oh, that would rock!
[10:39] Kaseido Quandry: silly idea
[10:39] Arria Perreault: maybe the hundred of millions users of Facebook have a better chance
[10:40] Arria Perreault: should we stop here?
[10:41] Mikelo Serevi: it seems to haev been a good meeting
[10:41] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Sacromonte
[10:41] Arria Perreault: any private announcement?
[10:41] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I have found a general overview
[10:41] Kaseido Quandry: oh, Arria, yes -
[10:41] StuiChicanne Darkstone: The Sacromonte neighbourhood is located on the extension of the hill of Albaicín, along the Darro River. This area, which became famous by the nineteenth century for its predominantly Gitano inhabitants, is characterized by cave houses, which are dug into the hillside. The area has a reputation as a major center of flamenco song and dance, including the Zambra Gitana, Andalusian dance originating in the Middle East. The zone is a protected cultural environment under the auspices of the
[10:41] Lilith Ivory: tell us stui
[10:41] Kaseido Quandry: I'm going to throw another party, a week from Monday, at my place in AA
[10:41] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Cave houses !
[10:41] StuiChicanne Darkstone:
[10:41] Arria Perreault: great
[10:42] Kaseido Quandry: 6-8pm SLT, great DJ doing Middle Eastern pop.rock
[10:42] Lilith Ivory: great Kas - great Stui
[10:42] Arria Perreault: we could add this in the CDS event Calender
[10:42] Kaseido Quandry: great!
[10:42] Lilith Ivory: love the cav house idea
[10:42] Kaseido Quandry: Arria, I'll get you copy shortly
[10:42] Arria Perreault: ok. thank you
[10:43] Arria Perreault: good, Stui
[10:43] StuiChicanne Darkstone: and mine workings
[10:43] StuiChicanne Darkstone: dating back to roman origin
[10:43] Arria Perreault: I take also the opportunity to remember the egg painting contest in the Monastery
[10:43] Sonja Strom:
[10:44] Arria Perreault: and next week, the snow will MELT in CDS
[10:44] Sylvia Tinkel: is that for charity Arria?
[10:44] Sonja Strom: I got my egg yesterday
[10:44] Sylvia Tinkel: how will it make money?
[10:44] Lilith Ivory: do we have a fixed time already?
[10:44] Lilith Ivory: living in a cave house sounds like fun
[10:44] Arria Perreault: this contest bring no money to the Monastery
[10:44] Sylvia Tinkel: oh
[10:44] Lilith Ivory: also we could have a gold mine hehhe
[10:44] Arria Perreault: it's only to encourage creativity
[10:45] Sylvia Tinkel:
[10:45] Sylvia Tinkel: well i have mine i've been working on it all day yesterday
[10:45] Sylvia Tinkel: but i hope lots of peole enter
[10:45] Arria Perreault:
[10:45] Arria Perreault: I hope too
[10:45] Arria Perreault: SOnja, do you have information about the snow melting?
[10:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Gypsies called Gitano's
[10:46] Sonja Strom: the last day for snow will be next Saturday, the 20th
[10:46] Sonja Strom: We will have a gathering for it
[10:46] Lilith Ivory: about what time will we gather?
[10:47] Sylvia Tinkel: how is it that peole have build rights to change the trees?
[10:47] Sylvia Tinkel: i thoguht that Sudane would be needed or something
[10:47] Sonja Strom: so far we have talked about either noon or 1pm SLT
[10:47] Arria Perreault: people who are in the group Land management can change the trees
[10:47] Sonja Strom: do you have a preference of one of those times?
[10:48] Sylvia Tinkel: ah
[10:48] Lilith Ivory: you know I don´t count as I´m not a typical european hehe
[10:48] Lilith Ivory: every time works for me
[10:48] Sonja Strom: does anyone have a preference?
[10:48] Arria Perreault: both are fine for me
[10:49] Sylvia Tinkel: the only *real* time is game time
[10:49] Sonja Strom: for me too
[10:49] Sylvia Tinkel: the rest of you are just off
[10:49] Mikelo Serevi: for me too
[10:49] Sonja Strom: hahaa Sylvia
[10:49] Sylvia Tinkel: joke
[10:49] Lilith Ivory: exactly Sylvia hehe
[10:49] Sylvia Tinkel: i'm being a time zone bigot
[10:49] Sonja Strom: well, it will be around then
[10:49] Sonja Strom: it is to be a gathering,
[10:50] Sonja Strom: so we can start whenever works for us
[10:50] Sonja Strom: then we will walk from there together to Alpine Meadow
[10:51] Sonja Strom: and maybe have some time around a campfire there
[10:51] Sylvia Tinkel: sounds lovely
[10:51] Lilith Ivory: great
[10:51] Sonja Strom: those who are able can begin to replace trees
[10:51] Lilith Ivory: I´m so tired of snow hehe
[10:51] Sonja Strom: so they are green
[10:52] Sonja Strom: those who are not able to plant trees
[10:52] Sonja Strom: can come along and be with everybody
[10:52] Sonja Strom: then on the 21st the snow will be gone for the season.
[10:53] Lilith Ivory: couldn´t we change the land settings so everybody is able to plent trees?
[10:53] Lilith Ivory: only during the event
[10:53] Sonja Strom: maybe
[10:54] Sonja Strom: what do you all think about our doing that?
[10:54] Sylvia Tinkel: I'd like to do it
[10:54] Lilith Ivory: chancing trees is quite a bore when only a few are able to do it
[10:54] Sylvia Tinkel: but i don't hink i'm a member of the group
[10:54] Sylvia Tinkel: maybe people could be joined
[10:54] Sylvia Tinkel: and then tossed out the next day?
[10:55] Arria Perreault: 19 people in this group
[10:55] Sylvia Tinkel: what's the group exactly?
[10:55] Sonja Strom: that's ok with me
[10:55] Arria Perreault: Land Manager
[10:56] Arria Perreault: we could create a new role in this group
[10:56] Arria Perreault: better is to ask Sudane
[10:57] Patroklus Murakami: owners are sudane and jamie. it shd prob be sudane and sonja now?
[10:57] Sylvia Tinkel: yes
[10:57] Arria Perreault: yes, I think
[10:57] Sonja Strom: Sylvia, I will work on this between now and then
[10:58] Sylvia Tinkel: okay Sonja
[10:58] Patroklus Murakami: and the owners/officers can set up new roles if needed for the tree changing
[10:58] Sylvia Tinkel: I was intending to show up anyway
[10:58] Sylvia Tinkel: i've already bought a dress
[10:58] Sylvia Tinkel: but if there is nothign to do it could get boring
[10:58] Patroklus Murakami is only a recent member
[10:58] Sonja Strom: that's a good idea Patroklus
[10:58] Sonja Strom:
[10:58] StuiChicanne Darkstone: http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/aol/imageDet ... SC_1563a-6
[10:58] Sonja Strom: Sylvia
[10:58] StuiChicanne Darkstone: Pictures of cave houses too
[10:59] Sylvia Tinkel: me is not going to click on that
[10:59] Lilith Ivory copies the link to have a look later
[10:59] Sylvia Tinkel: well i have RL laundry to do
[10:59] Sylvia Tinkel: so I shall depart
[10:59] Sylvia Tinkel: thanks for hte lvoely meeting Arria
[10:59] Patroklus Murakami: looks good that would be a great theme for a sim
[10:59] Sylvia Tinkel: *lovely
[10:59] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I found the shorter link
[10:59] StuiChicanne Darkstone: http://www.lechuaphotography.com/2009/1 ... -albaicin/
[11:00] Lilith Ivory: hehe
[11:00] Sylvia Tinkel: *waves to all*
[11:00] Sonja Strom: Does anybody here have the ability to give me a government status in the Al Andalus group?
[11:00] Sonja Strom: bye Sylvia!
[11:00] Arria Perreault: Rose can
[11:00] Lilith Ivory: bye Sylivia
[11:00] Patroklus Murakami: not sure sonja. let me try
[11:00] Arria Perreault: I can send notice. the rest I don't know
[11:00] Sonja Strom: I think Rose can too, but she is not her.
[11:00] Sonja Strom: she is not here.
[11:01] Lilith Ivory: she´s on the beach this weekend
[11:01] Sonja Strom: sounds nice
[11:01] Patroklus Murakami: sonja, you already have the 'chancellor' role'
[11:01] Lilith Ivory: I´m jealous lol
[11:01] Sonja Strom: in the AA group?
[11:01] Patroklus Murakami: oh sorry, i got my groups mixed up!
[11:02] Sonja Strom: the main reason why I am wanting this is,
[11:02] Patroklus Murakami: no, i can't invite you to the group as CDS Gov
[11:02] Sonja Strom: Winters Kanto is scheduled to play next Tuesday, as usual,
[11:02] Lilith Ivory: as usual?
[11:03] Sonja Strom: ok, thanks Patroklus
[11:03] Sonja Strom: yes, he has been playing music in Al Andalus every Tuesday evening for a long time
[11:03] Lilith Ivory: ah I see
[11:03] Sonja Strom: but I have no ability to change the music stream where he plays.
[11:04] Sonja Strom: If anybody here can do that,
[11:04] Patroklus Murakami: only owners can assign members to roles - that's jamie and rose
[11:04] Sonja Strom: I would appreciate it if you would come to the event on Tuesday night.
[11:05] Lilith Ivory: at about what time is it?