Actually Victor, that IS the point of a Representative democracy with regular elections. If you don't like it, wait till the next election.Victor1 wrote:So basically what you are saying Bromo is once we elect in a group of people, thats it, we are stuck with them. If we dont like it we can leave.
Well, THATS a nice representation of "Democracy". LMAO.
But I was digging into this law a little more and taking notes, here is a cut and paste form some notes I have been writing up. I think the "RA recall" is actually undermining the STV system at it's root. I think there is a way to have your recall and NOT undermine minority rights in CDS, read on:
was looking over the RA recall information, as well as the
implications of the STV.
Here is a problem:
The STV system is specifically meant to find the right candidates in
the minority so the whole election is really one selection - the
configuration of candidates chosen is the whole point of it - and it
is specifically designed to make sure the *right* minority candidates
are chosen so as not to give the running over of the SIM to just the
majority and truly polarizing candidates.
So, the decision to remove a RA member, is really a rejection of the
WHOLE ELECTION, so when one is selected for recall, really the WHOLE
RA needs to be recalled and new elections should be held for the seat.
The main issue is this:
The minority candidates by definition, would not garner a majority of
votes in a general election. When there is a recall, several
candidates will run, essentially booting out the RA member because of
it. But that minority they would represent have just been
disenfranchiused, and a majority candidate was put in. More power to
the majority, less rights for the minority. Which the STV is supposed
Presumably, if I wanted to game the system, I could simply launch a
recall on a few RA members, pack the elections with friendlies to gain
the upper hand, and eventually work out the RA so they would do as I
wanted rather than what the community wanted.
And in RL, I was living in CA at the time of the most famous recall of
Grey Davis as governor. NOTHING got done in government, and it was
essentially used by the GOP to "game" the GOP into controlling the
state, since they put up a slate of candidates.
The main complaints that prompt this legislation are:
1. The RA members are absent. Simple solution: Set up a
requirements rule for attendance, if they fail to meet it, then they
are out and the whole RA is up for election if you believe in the STV
system for voting.
2. The RA members suffer mental disease: Not sure you can make an
accurate diagnosis over IM, I will assume this is "I don't like them"
and in a democracy you have to put up with a lot of people you don't
3. Disruptive RA members get in the way of government: Thank
goodness they do, with so many bad laws flying around, slowness isn't
always a problem. And, part of being part of the minority is blocking
things. And part of the majority when faced with a minority is
figuring out what you can do, not trying to remove the minority from
And if you want to use this as a tool to single out people you simply don't get along with, if you beleive in the STV system, you will have to have the whole RA face a re-election. If you do not believe in the STV as a good system, come up with another one.
But for heaven's sake, we're not a first past the post system, so this bill will screw up the will of the people.