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On Community and Activity or the lack thereof

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Recent threads have brought to the fore the questions of sense of community and level of activity in the CDS. While these are problems, even serious ones, characterizing them as crises.....

First of all there's the question of activity. The CDS has never been a "happening" place. I can count on my fingers the times I can remember one of our sims being really crowded. The fact that traffic is now near the top of the agenda is a good sign. It means we're politically and financially stable enough to worry about it.

I also whether the traffic problem is one the government can really "solve". We could do event support, but it seems to me that NGO's (MoCA, etc.) have done more on this front than the government can.

Community is a stickier wicket. I do think that physically linking the present sims would help, but that the problem goes deeper than needing to teleport.

Way back when, our raison d'etre was to prove that democratic governance was possible in SL - Check

It was to show that a community could sustain itself through turnover of leadership - Check

Now what?

We've written about being a democratic incubator and "cit(ies) on a hill". The truth is that most SL communities don't need this much government apparatus to function efficiently. It's only worth doing if you have philosophical positions about fairness and the like that compel it. The fact that we are nearly alone on the grid in doing things this way suggests that, for most groups, a sim or sims aren't a big enough deal to go to the trouble of democratizing.

We may also be at the point where government ceases to be the primary actor in our community. Now that we're dealing with problems, like traffic, of which government may not be the best solver.

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Re: On Community and Activity or the lack thereof

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[quote="Claude Desmoulins":o3y2l9dw]I also [wonder] whether the traffic problem is one the government can really "solve". We could do event support, but it seems to me that NGO's (MoCA, etc.) have done more on this front than the government can. [/quote:o3y2l9dw]
I can tell the reader that the MoCA will soon face 'tougher times' again, so I think event support in general, as encouragement would be a very good idea. No matter if you like or disliked subsidies.

If you really liked the MoCA events and would like to help us at MoCA (for small things or larger things) - Please message me or Delia Lake.

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Events in CDS

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I can understand that the goal of RA is not to support events and that CDS is first an experience if virtual democracy. But I have some remarks:

- history show us that states, when they grew, has more and more needs. Entertainment and culture are one of these needs. They are part of the life of cities and states, even if they are supported (partially or totally). At least, state has to provide good conditions for cultural life and entertainement. In my point of view, the existence of an amphitheater belong to these conditions. We should right a bill about its use. I meet quiest often poeple who could organize an event or a performance and i would like to have a notecard to give them, with all important information (responsible to contact, condition of use, ...). If such a document exists, thank you to give me.

- CDS has cultural activities. MOCA is one of them. I remember that I have also organize an exhibition in CN. We can also mention Primtionnary, which is great (because totally SL'). These activities are supported mostly by citizen, in groups or alone. As promoter of cultural activity, i don't ask necessary for public money to supporte them. I am more interested to get help in the promotion of these activities. The best that the RA could do is to organize communication in CDS. It is probably the weakness of our community. I think that somebody should be responsible for communication. This person should do his/her job or delegate it properly. Now it is very messy. Look at the forum of CN. Signs and TP point in disorder, without rules. I ask again that we have on public places a place to put info, but with CLEAR rules (what kind of info, how much time, ...) and processes. The present solution is not professional.

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The government may not be in the business of subsidizing events, but there are people here that would help out if they can. If people do have idea for events and need some help, come and talk to the guild, I am sure we would be willing to help.

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Don't forget to read Arria's & Dnate's comments, above, they're worth wile. But here's an interesting view from Brian Livingston (from another thread):
[quote="Brian Livingston":2s98vvbx]I think that the evident decline in civic involvement is a result of a number of interconnected factors. First off, as the CDS has grown older, it seems to have lost a lot of its momentum, not a unique phenomenon amongst projects. As the original, core group has moved on or had other priorities come up at various points, each successive generation has less of an investment in the community, in a general sense. This is not to say that all new citizens are not committed or invested in their communities, but it hardly seems a stretch to say that if you have a hand in the beginning stages of a project, chances are there will be a deeper connection than with those who come in at later points. For the record, I have only been in the CDS for just over a year now, so I am not an oldbie by any means.

Secondly, perhaps as a result of or a contributing factor to the aforementioned departure of some of the early members, there has been a noticable decline in events in the CDS over the past several months. The MoCA and other private citizens and organizations has been successful in putting on a number of events recently. However, the government should work to increase the number of events taking place in NFS and CN to draw in more people to the sims. These increased footsteps will increase the value of our commercial and residential land, provide entertianment for our fellow citizens, and instill vitality into the community, if only for an additioanl hour every day. I know it has been proposed on several occasions, but something such as a weekly or monthly flea/farmers market on the platz or starving artists faire at the CN forum would help bring in visitors and encourage residents to explore their sims again.

In addition, I do believe that the seperation of the CN and NFS has played a role in discouraging the revival of civic life in the CDS, simply because they serve as a barrier to transport and exploration. One result of this barrier is that there is little benefit to a CDS sim when the other sim is hosting an event. If I am hosting an event at the Amphitheatre in CN, those who are attending may stop at one of the shops on the forum or explore the sim. However, because the sims are seperated, that is generally how far their exploration of hte CDS will go.

So, where do we go from here?

(... 3rd sim stuff ...)

As for events, I feel that the government of the CDS should take a larger role in promoting and encouraging the hosting of events in our sims. We have a number of excellent venues for events of all sizes, from the Amphitheatre which can easily hold 40 people, to the church which I estimate can probably hold 20 to 30 people, to the beer garden which is good for smaller events, along with numerous other venues of varying sizes.

In the end, we need to work on getting everyone reinvested in the community through events, commerce, government service, organizations, and any other way possible. The revitalized MoCA is a great step, as is the New Guilde. We just need to keep up this momentum and keep it growing. The community is still alive and kicking in the CDS, it just needs to be reenergized. [/quote:2s98vvbx]

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[color=blue:1we5ybyj][i:1we5ybyj]Reply to Arria[/i:1we5ybyj][/color:1we5ybyj]

Hi, it's good to see you posting on more topics Arria :-) 3 things you mention can be addressed in a practical way:

[quote="Arria Perreault":1we5ybyj]amphitheater ... We should right a bill about its use. I meet quiest often poeple who could organize an event or a performance and i would like to have a notecard to give them, with all important information (responsible to contact, condition of use, ...). If such a document exists, thank you to give me.[/quote:1we5ybyj]
OK 'insiders', why can't I find something on paper about this? I'm quite sure that about using public spaces it's
- YES for citizens, just ask the chancellor (Aliasi Stonebender) or let her know in advance,
- YES VERY LIKELY for non citizens, with same conditions
It would be good if the chancellor placed an 'inviting' notecard dispenser (good idea Arria) with the rules at these locations.

[quote="Arria Perrealt":1we5ybyj]The best that the RA could do is to organize communication in CDS. It is probably the weakness of our community. I think that somebody should be responsible for communication. This person should do his/her job or delegate it properly.[/quote:1we5ybyj]
We have a special position for this, the "PIO", Public Information Officer.
- job description: http://208.101.22.58/~aliasi4/nburgwiki ... ge=NL+4-26
- example: http://forums.neufreistadt.info/viewtopic.php?t=979 <-- Our previous PIO.
This is currently a [i:1we5ybyj]VACANCY[/i:1we5ybyj]. It's probably one of the more "fun" jobs, so please tell everyone about it :-) Let's not forget to communicate this soon through group message (Aliasi?, Claude?)

[quote="Arria Perrealt":1we5ybyj]Look at the forum of CN. Signs and TP point in disorder, without rules. I ask again that we have on public places a place to put info, but with CLEAR rules (what kind of info, how much time, ...) and processes. The present solution is not professional.[/quote:1we5ybyj]
If you disagree with what's happening on public land, there's the chancellor (Aliasi Stonebender) that you can address these issues to, or complain. As the highest 'executive' official, she has a lot of say about what happens on the ground. Additionally you can let the 'caretakers' know, that's Antonius Camus (CN) and me (NFS). I kinda like the signs, because they clearly show that things are *happening* in our sims, but some rearranging wouldn't hurt.

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Re: Events in CDS

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[color=blue:1xjgqj4y][i:1xjgqj4y]2nd reply to Arria[/i:1xjgqj4y][/color:1xjgqj4y]

[quote="Arria Perreault":1xjgqj4y]I meet quiest often poeple who could organize an event or a performance and i would like to have a notecard to give them, with all important information (responsible to contact, condition of use, ...). If such a document exists, thank you to give me.[/quote:1xjgqj4y]

And the answer is:
[quote="Aliasi Stonebender":1xjgqj4y]If you're a citizen of the CDS, you may or may not be aware of the amount of public land for anyone's use. Currently, the main "public" spaces are the Church, Biergarden, and Platz of Neufreistadt, and the Forum and Ampitheatre of Colonia Nova. (The Schoss and the former Altenburg area are also public, although they may soon be revised at this writing.)

While you should feel free to use any of these locations if they are currently unoccupied, in order to facilitate use (and make sure you aren't conflicting) you can notify the Chancellor of your event, and the Chancellor (or some other member of the appropriate land-management group) can set the event for the SL events list (and provide security, if needed).

While rezzing props as needed is perfectly okay, the general guidelines implied by the covenant still hold. Putting up a 'slide display', or a chat logger, or a notecard vendor are all suitable actions, ones that substantially change the nature of the place or are unduly script or prim heavy should be cleared through the Chancellor or designated official first.

Hopefully, this will encourage more use of the public spaces![/quote:1xjgqj4y]
I finally found it on the "Questions about the CDS" section of this forum. I think the absence of a PIO, that we so desperately need, is one of the reasons why no one exactly knows about this.

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I finally found it on the "Questions about the CDS" section of this forum. I think the absence of a PIO, that we so desperately need, is one of the reasons why no one exactly knows about this.[/quote:1law8scj]

Yes, imagine, finding an answer to a question on the "Questions about the CDS" forum. ;)

So, does that mean you're applying?

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No, that doesn't mean I'm applying :-/ I'm already too busy with other SL projects.

If we could only involve more people into the 'government thing', then we would have more choice, but right now it's so limited that I really can't think of someone who would and could do the PIO job. Ranma may be a bit overreacting in her comments but this surely is one of the effects of having many 'renters'.

Why not add a small paragraph about the PIO to the e-mail that will go out about the 3rd sim?

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[quote="TOPGenosse":32oapv17]No, that doesn't mean I'm applying :-/ I'm already too busy with other SL projects.

If we could only involve more people into the 'government thing', then we would have more choice, but right now it's so limited that I really can't think of someone who would and could do the PIO job. Ranma may be a bit overreacting in her comments but this surely is one of the effects of having many 'renters'.

Why not add a small paragraph about the PIO to the e-mail that will go out about the 3rd sim?[/quote:32oapv17]

How are you going to give the "renters" meaningful involvement? Unless one is a part of the government, one can talk until they are blue in the face and it changes nothing. You can introduce bills, one can write messages but unless the leader of the RA wants to do something it is for nothing.
What is your definition of meaningful involvement?

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