MoCA Trustees Meeting Minutes

[Rubaiyat]

[13:03] Delia Lake: hi Rub
[13:03] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Hi guys, sorry SL crashed for me
[13:03] You: hey everyone is here!
[13:03] You: with the possible exception of chicago
[13:04] Brian Livingston: Mmmm, this sofa is quite tasty
[13:04] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Yes I don't expect Chicago, apparently he wasn't able to read his e-mail on time.
[13:04] Delia Lake: i never heard back from nhi
[13:04] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Who wants to make this an official meeting and be the chair - or sofa?
[13:04] Delia Lake: him...
[13:04] You: trotsky's "home of the tasty sofa"
[13:05] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Where did the koala go?
[13:05] Delia Lake: Rub, that should probably be you
[13:05] Brian Livingston eats some more of the stuffing...
[13:05] Beathan Vale: koala fell into the stuffing
[13:05] TOPGenosse Brouwer: :-)
[13:05] Beathan Vale: Trotsky -- home of the koals stuffed sofas
[13:06] You: I don't have a problem with chairing
[13:06] IM: Second Life: Beathan Vale has left this session.
[13:06] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Trotsky -- home of the half decayed koala corpses after they've choked on stuffing 3 months earlier
[13:06] You: please indicate your willingness to be recorded
[13:06] Beathan Vale: I can be recorded
[13:06] Beathan Vale: brb
[13:06] TOPGenosse Brouwer: i can be recorded
[13:06] Brian Livingston: Sure thing
[13:06] Delia Lake: i can be recorded
[13:07] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Rub., I think it would be good to put the "use new group" item somewhere on top of the agenda: It's an easy one
[13:07] Delia Lake: Ranma
[13:07] Ranma Tardis: Hi!
[13:07] You: okay
[13:07] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Hi Ranma :-)
[13:07] You: Hi Ranma
[13:07] Delia Lake: glad you could come
[13:08] Ranma Tardis: had the night off
[13:08] You: we are recording the meeting, please indicate you are willing to be recorded
[13:08] Beathan Vale: back
[13:08] Ranma Tardis: still rzing
[13:08] You: beathan please indicate that we can record your words
[13:08] Beathan Vale: you can
[13:09] TOPGenosse Brouwer: everything bad you say about the CDS will be recorded ;-)
[13:09] You: ranma? may we enter you into the log?
[13:09] Beathan Vale: everything you say can and will be used against you eventually
[13:09] Ranma Tardis: could care less if I get banned
[13:09] Ranma Tardis: waiting for the recorder to rz
[13:09] Brian Livingston: Especially with elections coming up in a few months :[p
[13:09] You: no recorder
[13:09] You: jest me
[13:10] Ranma Tardis: ok ok I give my consent to be recorded
[13:10] You: all right, I had not planned to run this so it will be a little disorganized
[13:11] TOPGenosse Brouwer: The e-mail mentions 5 topics, add Ranma's donation and we have 6.
[13:11] You: there is a new group for moca, we should complete the transition
[13:11] You: and I have 2
[13:11] Delia Lake: yes. we now have 59 people in the new group
[13:11] You: am I in the group?
[13:11] Beathan Vale: what is the new group?
[13:12] Delia Lake: MoCA Neufreistadt
[13:12] TOPGenosse Brouwer: We did that to have a more logical/appealing name for the visitors.
[13:12] Delia Lake: and so we could have different levels of membership
[13:13] You: okay, if you are not a member of the group join NOW, I will disband the other group as soon as lands are transferred
[13:13] TOPGenosse Brouwer gave you Agenda MoCA Sun Apr 22.
[13:13] Ranma Tardis: I need to be afk for a few to get my dinner, ok?
[13:13] Delia Lake: i need to exit the old group in order to join the new one as i am group full
[13:14] TOPGenosse Brouwer: sure
[13:14] Delia Lake: kk Ranma
[13:14] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Who wants an invitation to the new group?
[13:14] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Heck I'll send all of you
[13:15] You: what about permissions on the existing moca and contents have they been transfered?
[13:15] Beathan Vale: Hi FR
[13:15] Brian Livingston: Hey FR :)
[13:15] Flyingroc Chung: heya
[13:15] IM: Flyingroc Chung: sure
[13:15] Delia Lake: most of the artwork is in MoCAso's inventory
[13:15] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Hi FR :-)
[13:15] Delia Lake: hi FR
[13:15] Flyingroc Chung: consent to being recorded
[13:16] Flyingroc Chung: hi
[13:16] TOPGenosse Brouwer: (If you're group-full: np of course ..)
[13:16] You: Okay, is there a heirarchy in the group (to edit prims etc)
[13:16] You: I would like to be boosted on that list
[13:16] You: as I have had to do it in the past
[13:16] You: gonta, agree to be recorded
[13:17] Gonta Maltz: I agree
[13:17] TOPGenosse Brouwer: R > Building is Sudane's property and it's still set to the old group, but since the building only consists of 5 parts of so, it won't be too much trouble.
[13:17] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Hi Gonta
[13:17] You: and the contents?
[13:17] Gonta Maltz: Howdy
[13:17] TOPGenosse Brouwer: This is a meeting about the future of Museum of Contemporary Art
[13:17] Delia Lake: we can ask Sudane to transfer the building to the new group
[13:18] Delia Lake: what contents, Rub?
[13:18] You: the art? or is it all mocasos?
[13:18] TOPGenosse Brouwer: R > Content = art = Either owned by the museum's alt, or by Delia (which she will transfer), all small furnishings are already owned by the alt.
[13:18] You: okay, once that is done I shall disband the other group
[13:18] Delia Lake: it will either be in MoCAso's inventory, or a few are on loan and will be returned to the artists at the end of the exhibit
[13:19] Delia Lake: MoCaso holds the artworks that belong to MoCA, and the monies as well
[13:20] You: okay, next order of business TOP is resigning as assistant curator
[13:20] TOPGenosse Brouwer: or maybe do Ranma's donation first, since she's here now.
[13:20] You: dude if you want to run the meeting you can
[13:20] TOPGenosse Brouwer: sorry dude
[13:21] You: I am going down the list
[13:21] TOPGenosse Brouwer: I just no it's not easy for Ranma to be here .. that's all i know
[13:21] IM: Second Life: Marish Beebe has left this session.
[13:21] You: Hi Gamma, please consent to being recorded
[13:22] You: Ranma has kindly made a donation of land to the MoCA
[13:22] You: and paid the fees fro a year
[13:22] TOPGenosse Brouwer: :-)
[13:22] Beathan Vale: hooray for Ranma!
[13:23] Delia Lake: thank you so much, Ranma
[13:23] You: Thank you very much Ranma, I think it is great!
[13:23] TOPGenosse Brouwer: hooray!
[13:23] Delia Lake: this is a generous and much appreciated addition to MoCA
[13:23] TOPGenosse Brouwer nods
[13:23] You: This is something that needs to be dealt with ASAP, regarding ownership as well
[13:24] You: It can be put into MoCAaso's name or the group
[13:24] You: I am sure there are advantages to each
[13:24] TOPGenosse Brouwer: (Rudeen has already marked it as "owned by MoCA", it is set to CN's public land group, very convenient.)
[13:24] You: oh great
[13:24] Delia Lake: that is the way Sudane prefers to handle the land she said
[13:24] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Which means that MoCA can 'steal' some of CN's 2800 public prims to do more with the plot.
[13:25] Gonta Maltz: borrow!
[13:25] You: yes, that makes a good deal of sense
[13:25] TOPGenosse Brouwer: (NL 4-16 I think .. MoCA does the same in NFS)
[13:25] Delia Lake: yes
[13:26] You: so we have to consider this as we put together the next exhibit
[13:26] You: and in between
[13:26] Delia Lake: yes. MoCAso already has artwork in inventory that we are not currently displaying
[13:27] Delia Lake: we also have a small booth at Dreams Fair that has some art in in
[13:27] Delia Lake: that could be moved by next weekent to CN
[13:28] You: okay, onward then
[13:28] You: Top has resigned
[13:28] You: I propose we accept it
[13:28] TOPGenosse Brouwer: That's right. SL overdose ..
[13:28] Delia Lake: yes.
[13:28] You: who is on the board? in a voting capacity?
[13:28] Beathan Vale: can we hire a Chinese powerleveler to pay TOP for a awhile ;-)
[13:29] Delia Lake: i would like to thank TOP from the bottom of my heart for all the work he has put in to MoCA
[13:29] You: yes, and Delia, I think the two of you did a great job
[13:29] Delia Lake: we would never have had the success we have had with out all the work TOP has done
[13:29] Beathan Vale: yes -- thanks TOP
[13:29] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Wow, that sounds emotional :-) Well your work is appreciated a lot too!!
[13:30] Delia Lake: TOP is resourceful, diligent and a good team player
[13:30] TOPGenosse Brouwer: does that mean I listen to my boss Delia? hahah.
[13:30] You: and persistant : - )
[13:30] Delia Lake: no, but it means that we worked very well together i think
[13:31] You: it has been suggested that we look for another assistant, but I am going to suggest that we wait until we have another show on the horizon
[13:31] Delia Lake: and because of all the work TOP did behind the scenes, we now have some structure for ongoing exhibitions
[13:31] Beathan Vale: good proposal
[13:31] You: unless delia needs an assistant during the interim period?
[13:31] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Yes I liked our combination of 1 artists-socializer and 1 practical stuff person .. (not that Delia is not practical, but you get the idae ..)
[13:31] Beathan Vale: don't want to get the assistant used to downtime and then hit them
[13:32] Delia Lake: well, this exhibit is only scheduled to be up for another month
[13:32] You: are we obligated by contract (with artist's or others) to take it down?
[13:33] You: I have been on the treadmill of constant installs, and was looking forward to 6 month cycles with the MoCA
[13:33] Delia Lake: no, we could extend most of th loans i think
[13:33] You: it will beat us down, I swear
[13:33] Beathan Vale: can we have a part of the museum dedicated to a rotating display of our permanent collection -- or maybe use Ranma's prop as such a rotating display?
[13:34] Delia Lake: we could handle it a number of different ways
[13:34] Delia Lake: we do have to take down the sculpture in the valley
[13:34] Delia Lake: either today or tomorrow
[13:34] You: That is a good idea, and I think it merits some study. Permanent collection can be used to fill in.
[13:34] Delia Lake: we have borrowed personal land
[13:35] Delia Lake: and already extended a week
[13:35] You: good point, lets make sure to take that down on time
[13:35] You: and contact the artists about extending the time in the MoCA proper
[13:36] TOPGenosse Brouwer: (About the assistant: I would suggest using the remaining time of this exh. to LOOK for an assistant ... it won't be convenient to go looking for one, when the new exhibit opening event will be near .. Having 2 persons at *that* time seems like a good choice.)
[13:36] You: Do we have a plan for a next exhibit?
[13:36] Delia Lake: we really need 2 persons. it is too much work for one volunteer
[13:36] TOPGenosse Brouwer: I agree
[13:37] Beathan Vale: k -- I second proposal to use remaining time to look for ass't then
[13:37] Delia Lake: TOP and i have discussed an idea for Curators in the future
[13:37] You: as delia's assistant I am willing to say we don't need to vote
[13:37] You: the assistant is at her discression
[13:37] Delia Lake: i am willing to curate 2 more shows
[13:37] Beathan Vale: do we have show concepts yet?
[13:38] Delia Lake: i would like to have someone in training by the start of the 2nd one though
[13:38] Delia Lake: before we get to concepts, we should probably finish with structure
[13:38] You: that seems reasonable
[13:38] Delia Lake: we are switching out of the old group into a new group
[13:38] Delia Lake: our charter is out of date
[13:39] Delia Lake: and probably should be modified some anyway
[13:39] You: yes
[13:39] You: lets not get ahead of ourselves though
[13:39] Delia Lake: and, we should constitute a new board of trustees with the new group
[13:39] You: I am seriously running out of groups
[13:40] TOPGenosse Brouwer: afk
[13:40] TOPGenosse Brouwer: These are 2 things: (A) having a student work as MoCA (assist.-)curator as a project (B) Revise the charter
[13:40] You: so, Delia, what support do you need to find an assistant
[13:40] You: and TOP why are you putting me through this, if you want to run the meeting just do so
[13:41] Delia Lake: my thoughts are that curator and assistant curator would be excellent internships/projects for graduate students in arts management
[13:41] Delia Lake: it is a"real job"
[13:41] You: do you want to start contacting schools then?
[13:41] Delia Lake: that includes both the arts and community building
[13:41] Delia Lake: yes
[13:41] You: create a posting?
[13:41] Beathan Vale: anyone have connections to such grad schools?
[13:41] Delia Lake: i went online and found some that would fit
[13:42] Delia Lake: there aren't any of those programs in sl that i know of
[13:42] You: I do, I am art faculty at one
[13:42] Delia Lake: but for instance NYU has other grad programs inworld
[13:42] You: so we need to create a posting that can go out
[13:42] Delia Lake: and an excellent program in arts management
[13:42] Delia Lake: yes
[13:42] Delia Lake: we need to create a posting
[13:42] You: I am working on one for AV but we may have funding and more demands
[13:43] Delia Lake: the trustees would supervise
[13:43] You: do you want to draft it Delia? I can send you the materials I am working with as well.
[13:43] You: you say that, but what would that mean?
[13:43] Delia Lake: ok, that would be very helpful
[13:43] Beathan Vale: send me the draft for legal review -- any posting can have implications
[13:43] You: I sort of question it.
[13:44] Delia Lake: TOP already wrote up what he considers to be essential for the assistant curator
[13:44] You: this "board" has not been too involved
[13:44] Delia Lake: and i can do the same for curator
[13:44] Beathan Vale: still -- best to have a lawyer sniff at anything sent out for public consumption
[13:45] Delia Lake: yes, thank you beathan. i take that statement to mean that you are volunteerint?
[13:45] You: yes, but realize that when we are recruiting a RL person for a RL internship there are burdons that have to be met.
[13:45] Beathan Vale: yep
[13:45] Beathan Vale: to review -- not draft -- best to divide those tasks
[13:45] Delia Lake: i will draft
[13:46] You: okay, I hate to say but we need to pick up the pace a little
[13:46] You: delia will draft with my help, beathan will review
[13:47] Delia Lake: along with the internship, i would like to see a NFS residence, and would like to propose to the RA that the top floor of the bier garten be used as temporary residence for the MoCA curator interns
[13:47] Delia Lake: that would put them here in our community
[13:47] Beathan Vale: artist's garret?
[13:47] Delia Lake: yes
[13:47] You: it has been suggested we have an annual meeting on the 6th of may to elect new trustees
[13:48] You: that sounds good delia
[13:48] TOPGenosse Brouwer: (Biergarten: increase involvement .. have a little more presence in NFS)
[13:48] You: I don't think it makes sense to elect more than once a year, esp since getting involvement has been the big issue.
[13:49] Delia Lake: i think i agree with you Rub
[13:49] TOPGenosse Brouwer: That's why we proposed to make 5 trustees possible
[13:49] Delia Lake: once a yr is enough
[13:49] You: I also do not like the idea of turning or possibly turning the whole board at one go
[13:49] Beathan Vale: whatr kind of find raising are we considering -- kinds of fund raising often determines necessary legal board size
[13:50] Delia Lake: when i looked last eve, MoCAso had $30, 490 in our treasury
[13:50] You: I don't think we are subject to that Beathan.
[13:50] Beathan Vale: we aren't considering any kind of gambling fundraising -- ever -- right?
[13:50] Beathan Vale: raffles or such?
[13:50] Delia Lake: all has been donated since this exhibit started
[13:50] You: we haven't eliminated that beathan, nor do we plan to do that
[13:51] Beathan Vale: kk -- but remember the FBI is looking into SL gambling -- and may states require that nonprofits have boards of over 15 members to hold gambling fundraisers
[13:51] You: I think this issue can be resolved (elections & charter) at a May 6 meeting
[13:51] Beathan Vale: board members don't have to be active to count, though ...
[13:51] TOPGenosse Brouwer: I just resigned bu:) I think it would be good to *have* a bAGM, to get at least 2 new trustees (and keep three) .. this will bring in new people, involvemnt and most of all: time that people can spend.
[13:51] You: we are not subject to US law though
[13:52] Beathan Vale: Rub -- that is a matter of hot dispute right now -- and I think LL will concede the point
[13:52] Ranma Tardis: under US law at best this would be a "hobby"
[13:52] You: yep
[13:52] You: and I do NOT want to go into that discussion
[13:52] Beathan Vale: true -- but we should be a bit careful ... not too careful -- but mindful
[13:53] You: I inquired about incorporation at an earlier board meeting, and the consensus is/was that it was not necessary nor did we have the simpower to do it
[13:53] Delia Lake: so if we start with a 5 peerson board now we could alwasy increas it to be compliant if in the future we decided that a gambling fundraiser was a route to pursue
[13:54] Beathan Vale: true -- both
[13:54] You: okay, there are a few more items here
[13:54] Ranma Tardis: incorporation or limited liability is not needed
[13:55] You: lets see if we can get a new charter drafted by may 6 and open it up for public comment
[13:55] You: we have a start but I want to have some input
[13:55] Delia Lake: ok
[13:55] You: after a period of public comment we can let the new board adopt it
[13:56] Delia Lake: then we would be holding our trustee elections under the old/current charter?
[13:56] You: I don't think we have much of a choice, honestly
[13:56] You: but I also do not know what that means
[13:56] Ranma Tardis: wonder If I can be a member of this group as a non citizen?
[13:57] You: in the future, yes, now I am uncertain
[13:57] Delia Lake: yes. the new group doesn't require citizenship in CDS
[13:57] You: you will always be a citizen to me Ranma
[13:57] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Ranma > Right now you can't vote for trustees, but in the future hopefully you can.
[13:58] Ranma Tardis: smiles hope they do not ban me ;)
[13:58] You: well in a system where it is free to join and you can vote for whomever, lets protect our assets and not let them be gamed by some new group of people
[13:58] TOPGenosse Brouwer: an expatriot cds-er? :D
[13:58] Delia Lake: but the new proposed charter even has a minority of trustees as non citizens. we really need broader participation to be sustainable
[13:58] Beathan Vale: in the Caledon expat community
[13:58] You: we have to clearly find a way to make the institution sustainable
[13:59] Beathan Vale: giftshop?
[13:59] You: I want the moca to start paying its rent
[13:59] You: speaking of which, if we can move on
[13:59] Beathan Vale: gallery with items for sale?
[13:59] You: I have been paying for more than a few months, and think we have the assets to take it on
[13:59] TOPGenosse Brouwer: (B: our items for sale were not a success, we either need to focus more on it, or present it differently.)
[13:59] Delia Lake: we can do for sale items yes
[14:00] You: beyond that I want to see that we have a clear plan to keep paying our own rent
[14:00] Delia Lake: what is the MoCA tier presently
[14:00] Beathan Vale: how were they presented? in a special setting -- or scattered and not obviously marketed?
[14:00] You: it was only 2299 this month
[14:00] TOPGenosse Brouwer: 2299 / month
[14:01] You: I am sorry, can we focus please, I have to go soon.
[14:01] Beathan Vale: our donations cover that then, yes?
[14:01] Delia Lake: ok. there are a couple of possible routes. we are bringing a lot of people into NFS
[14:01] You: at present we have about 30k, but none of that is earmarked for rent
[14:02] Beathan Vale: k -- that is a budget item then -- not a cash flow or profitability item
[14:02] Delia Lake: Pel and some others feel that the government should subsidize the MoCA tier as none of us is making any money from the museum
[14:02] You: and there is no plan to make sure we can continue to pay it
[14:02] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Rub. shouldn't pay for MoCA in the first place, but using the current 30k is like eating up 1-time-donations .. it's to be seen if/howmuch we can raise in the future.
[14:02] You: we can do that, but to me that implies another layer of supervision
[14:03] You: TOP, that is my point
[14:03] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Maybe the gov't can subsidize the NFS parcel if we fullfill event-requirements .. with too few events funding will stop.
[14:04] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Claude and Pat proposed 4000 / month for events.
[14:04] Delia Lake: events requrirements?
[14:04] Beathan Vale: generate traffic -- favorable publicity -- we can apply for event funding -- like a govt grant
[14:04] You: we are paid through may, I want a solution from this board by then
[14:04] Delia Lake: we should do that then
[14:05] You: I would probably pay again if push came to shove though : - )
[14:05] Beathan Vale: but he grant program is not in place -- in the proposal stage atm
[14:05] Delia Lake: so far our events have been pretty well attended
[14:05] Beathan Vale: yes -- we are an obvious choice for CDS event grant money
[14:05] Beathan Vale: unless we are perceived as so successful that we don't need it
[14:05] You: but someone will have to administer our end of it
[14:06] Beathan Vale: do we want to set up a position of treasurer?
[14:06] You: it is one avenue. my followup would be to suggest that we create some sort of annual/montly donation structure
[14:07] Delia Lake: is there a way to record what gets donated to MoCAso, $$ that is, not totals but each donation showing up separartely
[14:07] Delia Lake: unless he is online, right now all i see is the total
[14:07] Beathan Vale: do we track donors? If not, we should start -- send them notice of events, thank yous, etc.
[14:07] You: yes Delia, but again that requires a volunteer or an employee
[14:07] TOPGenosse Brouwer: D > Yes MoCAso's payment info on the LL website (MoCAso's account)
[14:07] Delia Lake: ok TOP. i can copy that then
[14:08] You: TOP that rolls off eventually doesn't it
[14:08] Beathan Vale: I have to go soon -- another meeting starting
[14:08] Delia Lake: yes. our donors all get thank yous and announcements
[14:08] Beathan Vale: excellent
[14:08] TOPGenosse Brouwer: R > That payment info is only 1 month of history, so the (assist.)curator needs to copy &paste that once a month.
[14:08] You: okay 2 brief items
[14:08] Delia Lake: kk
[14:08] You: we need to recruit and retain board members
[14:09] Delia Lake: yes
[14:09] You: when is the next board meeting
[14:09] You: 3 days notice is not enough
[14:09] TOPGenosse Brouwer: no sorry for that ..
[14:09] Delia Lake: do we need to have one before the may 6
[14:10] TOPGenosse Brouwer: A bAGM election meeting before the next exhibit seems like a good idea to me.
[14:10] Delia Lake: we either need to sort out the charter via email or meet again
[14:10] You: email, I also want a list of current board members
[14:10] TOPGenosse Brouwer: We're supposed to have 3 not 4 :-)
[14:11] You: and this may mean that may 6 is too soon
[14:11] TOPGenosse Brouwer: or don't koala's count?
[14:11] Delia Lake: the current trustees is unclear to me..who is official
[14:11] You: may 13 is perhaps more realistic
[14:11] You: my point Delia
[14:11] Beathan Vale: sorry -- have to run
[14:11] TOPGenosse Brouwer: 2 weeks to finalize charter + 1 week later = bAGM?
[14:12] TOPGenosse Brouwer: = end of this exhibit
[14:12] You: what is bagm?
[14:12] Delia Lake: ok Beathan. you will check the email then?
[14:12] TOPGenosse Brouwer: the meeting where trustees can be elected
[14:12] You: okay, here is an action oriented list
[14:12] You: extend the show in the moca (proper)
[14:13] You: work on the charter in the next 2 weeks
[14:13] You: get a list of current board members
[14:13] You: have an open meeting May 13 to elect new trustees
[14:13] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Sounds good.
[14:13] You: have a comment period of say 2 weeks on the new charter
[14:14] You: with an open board meeting on the 27th to vote for the new charter
[14:14] You: delia, can you revise our exhibit schedule to be 6 months per exhibit?
[14:14] You: and pull some dates for that?
[14:15] TOPGenosse Brouwer: R > the schedule as you propose it would make it too late to allow the possibility for "outsider"-trustees ... Is this because you don't want that?
[14:15] Delia Lake: i think so....we might be able to hold some interim small exhibits to keep up the interest
[14:15] You: nope, that is not intentional, just that I think we need to have the board approve the new charter
[14:16] You: and it has to be a fresh minted board too because we don't know who is on the board right now
[14:16] You: I do not have problems with the board appointing new members after the charter is accepted
[14:16] You: (until the next public meeting of course)
[14:16] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Delia, what do you think?
[14:17] Delia Lake: i am finding it a little confusing at the moment....our current charter says 3 members. from experience so far, i don't think 3 is enough for MoCA
[14:17] You: I am of course open to alternatives
[14:18] You: well in the past it has been 1 member or maybe 2
[14:18] Delia Lake: and i would like to see 3 CDS trustees + 2 non CDS, for purposes of connections and fresh input
[14:19] TOPGenosse Brouwer: It sounds like a very good idea to me .. and that's how tried to revise the charter in the e-mail.
[14:19] Ranma Tardis: nods
[14:19] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Finding volunteers in the CDS is very limited ... with ALL jobs .. incl. MoCA trustees .. why not allow outside enthusiasts?
[14:20] Delia Lake: in less than a month, 59 people have self-selected to join the MoCA group
[14:20] You: It wouldn't bother me if it was totally open
[14:20] Delia Lake: so there is interest right now at least
[14:21] You: when you apply the calculus to it it becomes difficult to deal with
[14:21] Ranma Tardis: the goal of the MoCA should be to promote Art in SL and not to promote the CDS
[14:21] You: yes, I am concerned about sustainability
[14:21] TOPGenosse Brouwer: Ranma > Charter says CDS-ers need to be enlightened :D
[14:22] You: and that is why we should not take CDS money
[14:22] Ranma Tardis: good luck ;)
[14:22] You: isn't there a setting that adds more light
[14:22] You: ??
[14:22] You: okay, I think we are about done
[14:22] TOPGenosse Brouwer: So no date for that election-meeting yet?
[14:23] You: we did not really solve anything, but I think we have a path
[14:23] You: May 13?
[14:23] Delia Lake: may 13 is doable i think
[14:23] You: okay then we are adjourned