Transcript RA Meeting October 14, 2023

[Jerry McNally]

[2023/10/14 10:03] Almut Brunswick: Dear Tor, dear fellow RA members, welcome to our sixth RA meeting of the 39th term. Hereby, I call this meeting to order.
[2023/10/14 10:03] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2023/10/14 10:03] Sandy Burgess: Are we enough to vote the LUC act?
[2023/10/14 10:03] Almut Brunswick: Yes, we are a quorum of three
[2023/10/14 10:03] Jerry McNally: Yep
[2023/10/14 10:04] Almut Brunswick: 1 Administrative Business
1.1 Approval of the Agenda
[2023/10/14 10:04] Almut Brunswick: I see a mistake already
[2023/10/14 10:04] Jerry McNally: Just to note the typo in 1.2
[2023/10/14 10:05] Jerry McNally: the link is right though, so all's good
[2023/10/14 10:05] Almut Brunswick: Fifth RA meeting on September 24
[2023/10/14 10:05] Almut Brunswick: Please correct by yoursefl
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: The link should be correct
[2023/10/14 10:06] Jerry McNally: I move the accept the corrected agenda
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: Sandy?
[2023/10/14 10:06] Sandy Burgess: second
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: Ah Rosie comes on
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: Let's vote
[2023/10/14 10:06] Jerry McNally: aye
[2023/10/14 10:06] Sandy Burgess: aye
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: Aye
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: Thank you
[2023/10/14 10:06] Almut Brunswick: 1.2 Review and Approval of the Minutes of the Fifth RA Meeting on September 24, 2023
* https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?t=10431
[2023/10/14 10:07] Sandy Burgess: Read it and did not search for typos
[2023/10/14 10:07] Almut Brunswick: Motion to accept the minutes as being posted in the Forum
[2023/10/14 10:07] Jerry McNally: hopefully I've caught them all already
[2023/10/14 10:07] Sandy Burgess: second that too
[2023/10/14 10:07] Almut Brunswick: Let's vote
[2023/10/14 10:07] Sandy Burgess: aye
[2023/10/14 10:08] Jerry McNally: aye
[2023/10/14 10:08] Almut Brunswick: aye
[2023/10/14 10:08] Almut Brunswick: Thank you
[2023/10/14 10:08] Almut Brunswick: Let me send Rosie a TP quickly
[2023/10/14 10:08] Jerry McNally: (Maybe I should throw in a couple of deliberate mistakes next time)
[2023/10/14 10:09] Almut Brunswick: That is my business, Jerry ^^
[2023/10/14 10:09] Almut Brunswick: I'm the fault queen
[2023/10/14 10:09] Almut Brunswick: Hello Rosie
[2023/10/14 10:09] Jerry McNally: haha Almut, yes!
[2023/10/14 10:09] Sandy Burgess: Hello Agatha and Rosie
[2023/10/14 10:09] Jerry McNally: Hi Rosie and Agatha
[2023/10/14 10:09] Almut Brunswick: Hello Rosie and Agatha
[2023/10/14 10:09] Agatha Macbeth: Hello water babes
[2023/10/14 10:09] Rosie Gray: hello folks, sorry to be late
[2023/10/14 10:09] Almut Brunswick: 2 Executive Report (Tor)
[2023/10/14 10:10] Almut Brunswick: Mr. Chancellor, you have the stage.
[2023/10/14 10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: oh ok
[2023/10/14 10:10] Tor Karlsvalt: Well we have been busy
[2023/10/14 10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: As you know there have been a number of events of Oktoberfest.
[2023/10/14 10:11] Tor Karlsvalt: Today we have the ball.
[2023/10/14 10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: The big event with Joa, Grace and Noma had at least 47 people attend.
[2023/10/14 10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: Tip jar actually took in almost $L4K.
[2023/10/14 10:12] Jerry McNally: that's great!
[2023/10/14 10:12] Rosie Gray: fabulous!
[2023/10/14 10:12] Sandy Burgess: It was a great evening
[2023/10/14 10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: At present CDS is taking in enough to cover tier.
[2023/10/14 10:12] Tor Karlsvalt: it was Sandy
[2023/10/14 10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: And the Il Magazzino turned out to be a great venue for those parties.
[2023/10/14 10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: As you know we have water to our west.
[2023/10/14 10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: I put up the map of the current landmass here on the wall
[2023/10/14 10:13] Tor Karlsvalt: Next week we will have a flotilla
[2023/10/14 10:14] Sandy Burgess: Can you please send me that texture fp?
[2023/10/14 10:14] Tor Karlsvalt: Start from LA beach, sail into Amiais, then up into Etoopia and finish back at LA harbor.
[2023/10/14 10:14] Tor Karlsvalt: sure
[2023/10/14 10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: I think the texture is in the object and you can take a copy i think
[2023/10/14 10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Mandry will DJ the Flotilla
[2023/10/14 10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: We will use her stream on the boats.
[2023/10/14 10:15] Tor Karlsvalt: Those who don't wnat to boat can join the party at the Magazzino
[2023/10/14 10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: The cruise should take about 30 minutes.
[2023/10/14 10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: so will be a fun party
[2023/10/14 10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: Can celebrate our new connection via water.
[2023/10/14 10:16] Tor Karlsvalt: That is all I have atm.
[2023/10/14 10:17] Rosie Gray: /me raises a hand
[2023/10/14 10:17] Jerry McNally: more than enough!
[2023/10/14 10:17] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, dear Tor. Rosie please.
[2023/10/14 10:17] Rosie Gray: thank you
[2023/10/14 10:18] Rosie Gray: just like to mention that the 'beach party' parcel in LA is set for anyone to rez so they can launch boats, with a 1 minute return, and also that there is a floating dock on Oikoumeni Boundless for boat rezzing too.
[2023/10/14 10:18] Rosie Gray: done
[2023/10/14 10:18] Almut Brunswick: Thank you for the addition.
[2023/10/14 10:18] Tor Karlsvalt: thanks
[2023/10/14 10:18] Almut Brunswick: Now we have something for you, Tor.
[2023/10/14 10:19] Tor Karlsvalt: LOL
[2023/10/14 10:19] Tor Karlsvalt: I have already given rides
[2023/10/14 10:19] Sandy Burgess: One request: Can you put the event into the calendar? I rely heavily on that
[2023/10/14 10:19] Tor Karlsvalt: ok,
[2023/10/14 10:19] Almut Brunswick: Since you missed the official awarding of the Order of Anzere last time, you cannot escape from your fate today:D
[2023/10/14 10:19] Jerry McNally: I see it's already there
[2023/10/14 10:19] Jerry McNally: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/[email protected]&ctz=Pacific/Los-Angeles
[2023/10/14 10:20] Tor Karlsvalt: thank you
[2023/10/14 10:20] Tor Karlsvalt: It is an honor
[2023/10/14 10:20] Almut Brunswick: I think you already has received the award in absence, we don't need to hang that symbolic thing around your neck today
[2023/10/14 10:20] Moon Adamant: hello all ㋡
[2023/10/14 10:20] Almut Brunswick: have*
[2023/10/14 10:20] Almut Brunswick: Hello Moon
[2023/10/14 10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: A noose?
[2023/10/14 10:21] Sandy Burgess: Congratulations Tor
[2023/10/14 10:21] Agatha Macbeth: Bom dia Moonie
[2023/10/14 10:21] Rosie Gray: later, at the ball ㋡
[2023/10/14 10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: Thank you
[2023/10/14 10:21] Almut Brunswick: Congratulations!
[2023/10/14 10:21] Jerry McNally: Well deserved Tor!
[2023/10/14 10:21] Almut Brunswick: hehe, so beware of Rosie with a flat case in her hands!
[2023/10/14 10:21] Tor Karlsvalt: yes, at least I didn't drown anyone on my boat the other day
[2023/10/14 10:21] Rosie Gray: yes, well deservedk!
[2023/10/14 10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: /me looks in the envelope for any money.
[2023/10/14 10:22] Tor Karlsvalt: /me lint falls out.
[2023/10/14 10:22] Almut Brunswick: There is a mouse trap inside.
[2023/10/14 10:22] Rosie Gray: haha
[2023/10/14 10:22] Moon Adamant: congratulations Tor!
[2023/10/14 10:22] Almut Brunswick: Next topic:
[2023/10/14 10:22] Almut Brunswick: 3 Old Business
3.1 Voting about the new Guild Act to replace the current LUC Act: Status Report
[2023/10/14 10:23] Almut Brunswick: The draft of the namely Guild Act was posted in time on the Forum, and as far as I have seen yesterday, there were zero comments, objections or whatever to be seen.
[2023/10/14 10:24] Sandy Burgess: /me nods. I saw that too
[2023/10/14 10:24] Moon Adamant: /me didn't see it
[2023/10/14 10:24] Almut Brunswick: Therefore, and when there isn't any further need for discussion, I propose to vote about it today.
[2023/10/14 10:24] Jerry McNally: (Here''s the link https://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?t=10432 )
[2023/10/14 10:24] Sandy Burgess: I second that, Almut
[2023/10/14 10:25] Almut Brunswick: The link is in the agenda as well
[2023/10/14 10:25] Almut Brunswick: Motion carries to enact the Artisan Guild Act and to retire the LUC Act
[2023/10/14 10:26] Sandy Burgess: So I second that again
[2023/10/14 10:26] Sandy Burgess: /me grins
[2023/10/14 10:26] Almut Brunswick: We have already Sandy's second, so let's vote
[2023/10/14 10:26] Rosie Gray: aye
[2023/10/14 10:26] Sandy Burgess: aye
[2023/10/14 10:26] Jerry McNally: Aye
[2023/10/14 10:26] Almut Brunswick: aye
[2023/10/14 10:27] Almut Brunswick: Thank you. The Artisan Guild is now a governmental institution, and the LUC is a part of the CDS history.
[2023/10/14 10:27] Jerry McNally: So when are we getting our new transport system??
[2023/10/14 10:27] Rosie Gray: ··•°•··..☺ Applauds! ☺ ..··•°•··..
[2023/10/14 10:27] Jerry McNally: Not a serious question, obviously
[2023/10/14 10:28] Almut Brunswick: Rosie, I propose that the Guild should meet very soon and adjust its Charter accordingly.
[2023/10/14 10:28] Rosie Gray: agreed
[2023/10/14 10:29] Almut Brunswick: Jerry, I would like to establish a public transport system here
[2023/10/14 10:29] Sandy Burgess: I have not been very active over the summer. Just getting back to SL and will work on it again
[2023/10/14 10:29] Almut Brunswick: Meanwhile I started scripting my own train system, just as a side note.
[2023/10/14 10:30] Jerry McNally: looking forward to some interesting times ahead then
[2023/10/14 10:30] Almut Brunswick: Let's move on: 4 Citizen Concerns
[2023/10/14 10:30] Almut Brunswick: Are there any concerns from our sparsely attending citizenry?
[2023/10/14 10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: /me we need better donuts
[2023/10/14 10:31] Almut Brunswick: We need donuts at all
[2023/10/14 10:31] Tor Karlsvalt: hehe
[2023/10/14 10:31] Almut Brunswick: So aside of the donut affair, all seem to be happy so far.
[2023/10/14 10:31] Almut Brunswick: 5 RA Member Concerns
[2023/10/14 10:32] Sandy Burgess: I have a question as a citizen: We talked about renewing the LA Covenant and about possibly removing the prohibition of subletting. Is that planned for the near future?
[2023/10/14 10:32] Moon Adamant: ah, good point
[2023/10/14 10:32] Almut Brunswick: That is something directed to the Executive, I assume.
[2023/10/14 10:32] Moon Adamant: has a concern too: LA covenant needs some overall revision
[2023/10/14 10:33] Rosie Gray: I recall the discussion was specifically for the Equestrian Centre, not for private citizens.
[2023/10/14 10:33] Sandy Burgess: Yes, I was not sure who is in charge of that
[2023/10/14 10:34] Rosie Gray: fortunately, we have the previous Chancellor present, as well as the current Chancellor ㋡
[2023/10/14 10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: Yes, we need to have that addressed. I am in favor of allowing subletting, in certain arias, the harbor for intance.
[2023/10/14 10:34] Tor Karlsvalt: The RA establishes the covenants.
[2023/10/14 10:34] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2023/10/14 10:34] Almut Brunswick: Shipyards, oil refineries, navy academy...
[2023/10/14 10:35] Tor Karlsvalt: LOL
[2023/10/14 10:35] Rosie Gray: ack!
[2023/10/14 10:35] Rosie Gray: /me chokes at the thought
[2023/10/14 10:35] Sandy Burgess: And it should be made absolutely clear that subletting does not grant citizenship. Then I don't really see a problem in that
[2023/10/14 10:35] Moon Adamant: previous chancellor referred the matter when it arised to RA, which has jurisdiction
[2023/10/14 10:35] Tor Karlsvalt: /me nods
[2023/10/14 10:36] Almut Brunswick: That is true, Moon.
[2023/10/14 10:36] Tor Karlsvalt: /me raises hand
[2023/10/14 10:36] Sandy Burgess: We need a strong navy to fend of the Caledon assaults! ... perhaps we should strike preemptiv
[2023/10/14 10:36] Tor Karlsvalt: hear hear!
[2023/10/14 10:36] Rosie Gray: the Equestrian Centre was set up specifically by our Treasurer with the CDS tierboxes, and the tier goes directly to the treasury
[2023/10/14 10:37] Rosie Gray: so, I don't think we have specifically discussed the ramifications of private parcels being sublet
[2023/10/14 10:37] Rosie Gray: the Equestrian Centre was set up to make some use of that large parcel that is never owned
[2023/10/14 10:37] Tor Karlsvalt: I think too, we might need a reconfig of the harbor
[2023/10/14 10:37] Almut Brunswick: Sandy, are you okay?
[2023/10/14 10:38] Sandy Burgess: /me grins madly
[2023/10/14 10:38] Rosie Gray: lol
[2023/10/14 10:38] Moon Adamant: /me agrees with Tor re: reconfiguring the harbour after testing the mooring the other day
[2023/10/14 10:39] Almut Brunswick: Since I still have ZERO clue about all land matters despite my repeated requests to learn more about it, I would like to encourage those members of the RA to prepare an act draft in this direction.
[2023/10/14 10:39] Almut Brunswick: who know more about it.
[2023/10/14 10:39] Rosie Gray: I propose that we add it to the next Agenda to discuss fully
[2023/10/14 10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: /me nods
[2023/10/14 10:39] Tor Karlsvalt: I have another concern.
[2023/10/14 10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: RA should look into the definition of a citizen.
[2023/10/14 10:40] Tor Karlsvalt: Lately we have several citizen who want to add their partner as citizens.
[2023/10/14 10:41] Almut Brunswick: Hmm, actually it is clearly said what makes somebody a citizen.
[2023/10/14 10:41] Jerry McNally: (For info, here's the link to the current description in the 'Guide for New Citizens https://cdsdemocracy.org/guide-for-new-citizens/#Citizenship )
[2023/10/14 10:41] Rosie Gray: yes, there is a clear process
[2023/10/14 10:41] Tor Karlsvalt: It is my understanding that the old rules about group citizenship or partners have been rescinded.
[2023/10/14 10:41] Almut Brunswick: Marriage is not among the criteria.
[2023/10/14 10:42] Rosie Gray: no they haven't
[2023/10/14 10:42] Jerry McNally: "It is not enough to be a CDS friend, visitor or partner of another CDS citizen."
[2023/10/14 10:42] Moon Adamant: could the RA do a statement of clarification, as you will revisit the discussion?
[2023/10/14 10:43] Almut Brunswick: or CDS wife or CDS hubby
[2023/10/14 10:43] Rosie Gray: Group registration process
A citizen in good standing may apply for group citizenship. The application is to be directed to the Chancellor via notecard with a copy to the Dean and must contain: citizen applicant’s login name, login names of any proposed group citizens and their group administrator status, group name and group key, parcel tierbox name and parcel ID to be deeded to the group, and the login name of the individual tierbox tenant to be set for each parcel.
Each individual group citizen must be the tenant for at least one tier box, no more than one individual may be a tierbox tenant, and a maximum number of five group citizens are allowed per group. Prim parcels and their tier boxes are locked to ensure that they are properly regulated; they are reserved to supplement the prims of small parcels. Ownership of a prim parcel does not qualify for citizenship, whether individually or through a group.
[2023/10/14 10:43] Rosie Gray: it's pretty clear.
[2023/10/14 10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: And that is what we have been telling people. But I note that it seems to be a growing concern by more than just one person.
[2023/10/14 10:44] Rosie Gray: what is the issue, Tor?
[2023/10/14 10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: But it is RAs decision.
[2023/10/14 10:44] Moon Adamant: but doubts have arisen of late.... i am not commenting on the matter, just making a notice
[2023/10/14 10:44] Almut Brunswick: I think the RA does not see any need to clarify something more than it is already written.
[2023/10/14 10:44] Tor Karlsvalt: At least two people in the last month have asked that their partner be added to the citizenship rolls.
[2023/10/14 10:45] Rosie Gray: well they can be if they follow the process
[2023/10/14 10:45] Jerry McNally: Does their partner own a parcel? If not....
[2023/10/14 10:45] Tor Karlsvalt: One was a new person and the other was a citizen of long standing.
[2023/10/14 10:45] Almut Brunswick: Then tell them that their partners may fetch their own parcel.
[2023/10/14 10:45] Tor Karlsvalt: Ok.
[2023/10/14 10:45] Tor Karlsvalt: We do
[2023/10/14 10:46] Almut Brunswick: A citizen of long standing should know the regulations.
[2023/10/14 10:46] Rosie Gray: the way I see it, if people can't be bothered to go through the process, then they really don't want to be citizens
[2023/10/14 10:46] Rosie Gray: maybe they don't really know what it means to be a citizen here
[2023/10/14 10:47] Sandy Burgess: What I do not fully understand: What is this group memebership? Is it possible to rent one parcel and have more than one tierbox? Because if every citizen needs to have their own parcel is what is the standard citizenship and not a group thing.
[2023/10/14 10:47] Almut Brunswick: Send them the link to our New Citizen's Guide
[2023/10/14 10:47] Jerry McNally: ...and ask them to read the part about citizenship carefully.
[2023/10/14 10:47] Tor Karlsvalt: Group membership is another old policy.
[2023/10/14 10:47] Rosie Gray: the idea about it is so that they can have their parcels set to their group, and share the prims
[2023/10/14 10:48] Rosie Gray: which you can't do if the parcels are under individual names
[2023/10/14 10:48] Sandy Burgess: /me nods. Ok that makes sense
[2023/10/14 10:48] Tor Karlsvalt: The parcels must be deeded to the group
[2023/10/14 10:48] Moon Adamant: also, take BT land: we three are citizens with our own parcels, and then we hold more land through the BT group
[2023/10/14 10:48] Rosie Gray: /me nods
[2023/10/14 10:49] Tor Karlsvalt: Currently, the AV's name must be on the parcel to be a citizen.
[2023/10/14 10:49] Rosie Gray: right
[2023/10/14 10:50] Rosie Gray: so if you have a couple and they want to share prims and both be citizens, they have to have at least 2 parcels (1 for each person), set the land to their group, but still have the tierboxes in their individual names
[2023/10/14 10:50] Rosie Gray: that way the prims share, they can use all on one parcel if they want to
[2023/10/14 10:50] Rosie Gray: and still be citizens
[2023/10/14 10:51] Almut Brunswick: May I make a proposal? We could add a FAQ section to the New Citizen's Guide that covers exactly these questions.
[2023/10/14 10:51] Tor Karlsvalt: That would be good.
[2023/10/14 10:51] Jerry McNally: Was just about to suggest that Almut, something with specific examples like that
[2023/10/14 10:51] Almut Brunswick: Nods
[2023/10/14 10:52] Tor Karlsvalt: I think I need to verify with Sudane that the scanner actually picks up citizens who have put their parcels into a group.
[2023/10/14 10:52] Almut Brunswick: because it is not that our acts and regulations are deficient here, but just the way how to communicate them
[2023/10/14 10:54] Almut Brunswick: So are we done with this topic now, or are there any further statemenets?
[2023/10/14 10:54] Tor Karlsvalt: done
[2023/10/14 10:54] Almut Brunswick: Thank you.
[2023/10/14 10:55] Almut Brunswick: Then I propose to continue to the next topic:
[2023/10/14 10:55] Almut Brunswick: 6 Announcements
* Calendar: https://cdsdemocracy.org/
[2023/10/14 10:56] Tor Karlsvalt: Dust off your tux and dresses for the ball
[2023/10/14 10:56] Moon Adamant: /me asks if you have noticed the concerns about the LA covenant?
[2023/10/14 10:56] Moon Adamant: regardless of teh citizenship question, that is
[2023/10/14 10:57] Almut Brunswick: Yes, we did, and I stated if there is a need for a new act, I encourage those who have more clue about land policy and estate management matters than me to furniture an act.
[2023/10/14 10:57] Moon Adamant: ok, thanks ㋡
[2023/10/14 10:58] Rosie Gray: it's not an act, it's a Covenant
[2023/10/14 10:58] Moon Adamant: yes
[2023/10/14 10:58] Rosie Gray: and it was the job of the LUC to draft one for the RA to consider, so maybe this is something for the Guild to do now
[2023/10/14 10:58] Moon Adamant: just to refer one issue, To Limani quarter is not described by the Covenant
[2023/10/14 10:58] Almut Brunswick: then it should be maybe added to the Charter
[2023/10/14 10:59] Tor Karlsvalt: good idea
[2023/10/14 10:59] Rosie Gray: add what to the Charter?
[2023/10/14 10:59] Moon Adamant: you don't need to add to teh Charter
[2023/10/14 10:59] Rosie Gray: yeah, Covenants aren't a part of the Charter
[2023/10/14 11:00] Moon Adamant: it falls neatly under 1.D.1 ㋡
[2023/10/14 11:00] Almut Brunswick: The responsibility for the covenants
[2023/10/14 11:00] Moon Adamant: no no
[2023/10/14 11:00] Moon Adamant: the resposability is RA's
[2023/10/14 11:00] Moon Adamant: but you can ask for expert advice ㋡
[2023/10/14 11:00] Moon Adamant: you=RA
[2023/10/14 11:00] Almut Brunswick: Oh, good, then we can hopefully prevent further disasters here
[2023/10/14 11:01] Tor Karlsvalt: Years ago, the RA established a commission to review covenants.
[2023/10/14 11:01] Tor Karlsvalt: I don't think that is the only way to do it, but that is what was done.
[2023/10/14 11:01] Almut Brunswick: Honestly, I haven't been involved in the covenant definition so far, therefore I'm sorry for my clueless asking.
[2023/10/14 11:02] Rosie Gray: well we could establish another commission for it
[2023/10/14 11:02] Rosie Gray: or ask the Guild to draft one up
[2023/10/14 11:02] Rosie Gray: /me shrugs
[2023/10/14 11:02] Almut Brunswick: I know that I disagree with some ways covenants are currently defined, so I would be happy to change some things hopefully.
[2023/10/14 11:03] Moon Adamant: you can set a commission to receive and evaluate Guild proposal
[2023/10/14 11:03] Rosie Gray: that sounds like another layer of bureaucracy
[2023/10/14 11:03] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2023/10/14 11:03] Almut Brunswick: Isn't the Guild already the commission when we have such a huge overlapping of RA members and Guild members?
[2023/10/14 11:04] Almut Brunswick: Yes, I do agree with Rosie
[2023/10/14 11:04] Moon Adamant: then ask the Guild to provide a proposal and discuss it without committee
[2023/10/14 11:04] Almut Brunswick: RA and Guild can have joint meetings to discuss it, and that is the commission
[2023/10/14 11:04] Tor Karlsvalt: That is a good point Almut. I think the rules say you need one RA member on a commission.
[2023/10/14 11:04] Sandy Burgess: I agree that we (the RA) should appoint some knowledgeable people to draft a new covenant because I have no idea how to do that
[2023/10/14 11:05] Almut Brunswick: Me neither, but I know exactly what I would like to see changed.
[2023/10/14 11:05] Moon Adamant: ask the Guild and nominate one RA member to be at the Guild discussion
[2023/10/14 11:05] Moon Adamant: simple
[2023/10/14 11:05] Tor Karlsvalt: I think the RA would just name a leader of the commission, that could be the Guild Master.
[2023/10/14 11:06] Almut Brunswick: Rosie...
[2023/10/14 11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Normally commissions just come from the citizenry
[2023/10/14 11:06] Almut Brunswick: like I said: We have such a merge of roles that this is almost surplus.
[2023/10/14 11:06] Tor Karlsvalt: Anyone who shows up.
[2023/10/14 11:07] Rosie Gray: not in the case of the Covenants, Tor
[2023/10/14 11:07] Rosie Gray: it was a specific job of the LUC
[2023/10/14 11:07] Sandy Burgess: which is no more as per today
[2023/10/14 11:07] Tor Karlsvalt: ok
[2023/10/14 11:07] Almut Brunswick: Then we schedule a public joint meeting of Artisan Guild and RA. The final vote is the RA's matter anyway, but the discussion could take place in this frame.
[2023/10/14 11:08] Sandy Burgess: And the LUC did not meet since at least 3 months
[2023/10/14 11:08] Almut Brunswick: The Guild either, by the way.
[2023/10/14 11:08] Sandy Burgess: True enough, Almut
[2023/10/14 11:08] Rosie Gray: well I think that the Guild should meet and discuss it, and make a proposal for the RA to consider
[2023/10/14 11:09] Almut Brunswick: then we have already two important topics for the next Guild meeting.
[2023/10/14 11:09] Almut Brunswick: 1. Adjusting the Charter to the new act, 2. Covenant discussion
[2023/10/14 11:09] Rosie Gray: I don't think there's much to do with the Charter
[2023/10/14 11:09] Rosie Gray: but, yes ㋡
[2023/10/14 11:10] Almut Brunswick: I did not say that there is much to do, but a reference to the new act should be added in any case.
[2023/10/14 11:10] Almut Brunswick: and the Guild should approve it
[2023/10/14 11:12] Almut Brunswick: Jerry, I think we need to shunt that part of the discussion to Citizen Concerns in the minutes
[2023/10/14 11:12] Almut Brunswick: When we are done with this for now, let's go to the next point: 7 Next RA meeting (to be discussed)
* Proposal: Saturday, October 28, 2023, 10 AM SLT
[2023/10/14 11:13] Jerry McNally: yes I was just thinking that this is the longest 'Citizens concerns' item I've ever seen
[2023/10/14 11:13] Tor Karlsvalt:
[2023/10/14 11:13] Jerry McNally: almost 45 minutes
[2023/10/14 11:13] Almut Brunswick: hehe, yes, but we are still good in our time frame
[2023/10/14 11:13] Jerry McNally: as long as it doesn't run into the Ball haha
[2023/10/14 11:14] Rosie Gray: hehe
[2023/10/14 11:14] Almut Brunswick: What do you think about Saturday, October 28?
[2023/10/14 11:14] Jerry McNally: good with me
[2023/10/14 11:14] Rosie Gray: there's an event that day
[2023/10/14 11:15] Rosie Gray: at noon
[2023/10/14 11:15] Rosie Gray: could it be Nov. 4th?
[2023/10/14 11:15] Jerry McNally: would the 10am start time work with that?
[2023/10/14 11:15] Almut Brunswick: I doubt that it will collide though
[2023/10/14 11:15] Rosie Gray: no, but it makes a lot of SL time
[2023/10/14 11:15] Almut Brunswick: Hmm ok with me
[2023/10/14 11:15] Almut Brunswick: Sandy, Jerry?
[2023/10/14 11:16] Jerry McNally: that's ok wwith me too
[2023/10/14 11:16] Sandy Burgess: I am good with both dates
[2023/10/14 11:16] Jerry McNally: almost the end of the term...
[2023/10/14 11:16] Almut Brunswick: Ok, then let's nail it down: Nov. 4, 10:00 AM Rosie time.
[2023/10/14 11:16] Rosie Gray: thank you!
[2023/10/14 11:17] Almut Brunswick: When there isn't any further *coughs* citizen concerns to be considered, I declare this meeting as adjourned. Thank you for being here, and see you on the Oktoberfest Ball!
[2023/10/14 11:17] Rosie Gray: I just added it to the calendar
[2023/10/14 11:18] Rosie Gray: lol, Almut
[2023/10/14 11:18] Almut Brunswick: Thank you, Rosie