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Claude,

There are two sets of issues that deeply trouble me in the way the CDS is currently governed; the first is procedural; the second substantive. The combination of these issues, culminating in last week's frontal attack against me personally as well as against basic principles of openness and inclusivity by projected citizenship legislation prompted CARE's (and my) decision to withdraw from the RA.

Since then, I was asked both in-world and on the forums if CARE (and I) would reconsider this decision, and I stated that we would do so if the RA would be willing to take concrete steps before the next election to deal with these two sets of issues. These are not ultimatums, as some have characterized it; the RA is free to do as it chooses. CARE (and I) have simply decided that without such action being taken, we could no longer justify remaining engaged in a process of governance which is neither open, nor democratic, nor inclusive, nor participative, nor even respecting basic norms of civility. The entire idea of SL is not to blindly duplicate RL political structures, warts and failures included, but attempt to improve and innovate upon failed systems of governance and develop new possibilities and alternatives in an environment in which such social experiments are incomparably less costly that in RL. From such experiments we may hopefully learn and adapt our failing RL institutions to the requirements of the (RL) world we live in. This is clearly not happening in CDS, where democracy is limited to a vote every six months, where separation of powers and the rule of law are virtually non-existent, where all levers of decision-making are concentrated in the hands of at most 10 per cent of the CDS population between elections (and pretty much the same 10 per cent irrespective of elections).

Given this state of affairs, and the RA's clear desire to continue pretty much along the same lines, as evidenced by the latest citizenship amendments, which ignore my (and others') previous suggestions to fundamentally rethink our idea of citizenship in order to become a more open, innovative, and welcoming community (as opposed to losing in rapid succession valuable citizens such as Ashcroft, Oni, Ben, Ranma, Carolyn, Diane, Dave Attenborough, TOP, and address the fact that we currently have a majority of our citizens barely involved in the day-to-day life of CDS); as well as by the refusal to engage in a rethinking of our scientific and judicial branches despite the fact that most of the high-quality publicity CDS has got so far (BBC, ABA) has to do exactly with the fact that (supposedly) we have our own judiciary branch based in principles of judicial independence and the rule of law; and finally by the utterly uncivil and downright insulting tone used by some public officials towards other officials (and me personally) and even some citizens (which also contributed to the departure of some of the citizens named above), CARE and I simply have no incentive, motivation, and indeed justification to remain engaged in a process which not only fails along so many fronts important to us, but is actually led by officials vehemently opposed to any substantial movement in that direction, some of whom even find it appropriate to employ invective and insult to bludgeon anyone suggesting or attempting to act otherwise.

So, to return to the two sets of issues mentioned above:

1. I strongly believe that 2 of the fundamental reasons why so few people seem to want to occupy our official positions in the CDS is that, for the most part and most of the time, they feel disempowered and disenfranchised by a representative system of governance where all decision-making power is concentrated in the hands of the same small group, and that these members can do and legislate exactly as they wish between elections;

CARE (and I) therefore suggest that we open up the legislative process as widely as possible on the 4 topics I mentioned by:

a) drawing up a brief and clear note on each topic, outlining the main issues and possible alternatives available; then asking our citizens for their own preferences in each case and allowing them to comment at length on each;
b) mailing these notes to our entire citizen body, setting up specific forum threads for each issue, and in-world consultation times for those citizens wishing to comment in public;
c) appointing a "rapporteur" on each issue whose job it would be to summarize the popular feedback on each issue and present the information to the RA;
d) based on such citizen feedback and active participation, the RA as a whole would draft legislation it would be willing to pass before the next election.

Please note that CARE (and I) propose an open, collaborative, inclusive, democratic legislative process which is much more appropriate for a small community of less than 100 people that that of delegating virtually dictatorial powers to 5 individual members of the RA whose only checks are elections every six months -and Gwyn (currently cumulating in her sole hands all powers of the scientific and judiciary branches). Such a process would, I believe, re-energize our citizen body, attract new ones, and transform our system of governance into a much more open democratic, participatory, innovative and creative process than is now the case;

2. The 4 substantive issues i raised ( and not for the first time, both in-world and on forums to various degrees) are so fundamental to the CDS's future welfare and prosperity that we need to act on them before the next elections. We are now 1/2 way though our term and despite CARE's (and my) attempts to deal with at least 2 (citizenship and institutional reform) immediately after the election, the RA has not yet taken any truly meaningful action on them and shows no intention to do so in the near future. In fact, with the citizenship amendments currently being considered, we are in danger of sliding backwards, not forwards.

Please note that CARE (and I) are not asking for a specific outcome or substantive legislation content and wording; rather, we wish for the process outlined above for each of the main topics be set in motion and that legislation based on such process be introduced in the RA and voted on before the start of the next election cycle.

Should the RA be willing to engage in such a process on the 4 topics outlined on the forums and commit to introducing and voting on such legislation within the time-frame mentioned, CARE (and I) are willing to resume our participation in the CDS system of governance generally and in the RA specifically.

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Re: CARE Involvement in the CDS

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[quote="michelmanen":1j6b3znk]CARE (and I) have simply decided that without such action being taken, we could no longer justify remaining engaged in a process of governance which is neither open, nor democratic, nor inclusive, nor participative, nor even respecting basic norms of civility.[/quote:1j6b3znk]MIchel-
I find it difficult to see how you can justify this misrepresentation of our democracy. Where is your evidence to back up these allegations? To deal with them point by point:

[list:1j6b3znk]*Open. We have an incredibly open democracy. Any citizen can propose legislation, giving much more access to decision-making than most RL democracies. All citizens can also attend, and speak, at meetings of the Representative Assembly. How more 'open' do you want this to be? What would greater 'openness' look like?

*Democratic. We have a representative democracy. Our citizens elect their representatives once every six months. How is this not 'democratic'? What definition of democracy are you using that negates representative democracy? By your analogy the US, UK and Canada (and many other countries we regard as democracies) are not democratic at all. This seems like a stretch.

*Inclusive. The RA represents a wide range of opinion; two parties represented were new factions representing new sets of opinions. Our system is open and inclusive. On what basis can you maintain that it is not?

*Participative. We have a developing 'civil society' in the CDS. Given that we are a group of around 70 people we have a healthy range of political factions, non-political voluntary associations such as the New Guild, the MoCA and the Traders' Association.

*Respecting basic norms of civility. What does this mean? Are you smarting because I pointed out that offering 'pre-bookings' on your sim proposal was out of order? Or that I pointed out your vested interest in the passage of a law that would have enabled you, through your extensive land holdings in the CDS, to bring in enough voters to swing an election? What does this mean? It sounds to me like an attempt to stifle dissent and criticism (and I could point to examples when you have fallen far short of 'civility'.)[/list:u:1j6b3znk]

These allegations are baseless and very damaging.

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Michel,

I agree with some of your aims, but not your tactics. Resigning and apparently attempting to withdraw one's faction from the polity unless the RA takes a particular action will not be a popular way of working within a legislative body. As has been suggested by others, introducing and engaging in substantive debating regarding your proposed bills would be far more effective.

Your reaction to the personal attacks, particularly the recent protest signs, is understandable. But at the same time you have blurred some of the lines yourself, as it is not entirely clear whether "CARE and I" are one and the same.

I hope that some of the other members of CARE -- the officially recognized faction in the last election -- will join in this discussion.

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Pat,

Your evident choice to ignore the (RL and SL) evidence negating your first 3 statements does not make such evidence go away. And our CDS civil society institutions work better exactly because they allow all their members to get invloved and participate, unlike our system of governance where all power is effectively concentrated in the hands of 5 individuals, where as a rule only 1 or 2 non-public-official citizens attend its meetings, and where all other branches of government are for all intents and purposes non-existent (Aliasi met with us once in 3 months, Gywn cumulates on her own the powers and duties of the scientific and juficiary branches).

As for your personal actions towards me, I will not engage with you ina a polemic here; suffice it to say that you have time and again, from the moment I founded CARE, attacked me, my policies, and my intentions, and twisted my actions and purposes in such a manner as to vilify and discredit me at every turn. Whilst you are free to act in such a manner, I am equally at liberty to refuse to accept such treatment and to continue to play this charade with someone who is at the same time SC Member, RA Member, CSDF Leader, Chair of whatever commisisons are offered to him, and self-appointed CDS Security and Morality Czar.

If you are so content with the current direction of CDS, good luck to you! Have fun building your Brave New World- but without overt or tacit support from either me, or CARE.

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Justice,

Popularity is really not my aim here. As the opening line of the CARE Manifesto states, "Leadership is not doing what is popular with some – it is standing for what is right for all".

As mentioned before, unless the CDS and this RA are willing to live up to the claim of CDS being the only truly democratic community in SL, neither I nor CARE can, in all good conscience, continue to participate in its system of governance. Should this RA decide to acknowledge the severe failings of our current system of governance and take immediate and concrete steps to remedy them in a manner similar to that I oultlined above, we would be more than happy to resume our participation and be a part of the process.

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[quote="michelmanen":rvg0qv0l]Justice,

Popularity is really not my aim here. As the opening line of the CARE Manifesto states, "Leadership is not doing what is popular with some – it is standing for what is right for all".

As mentioned before, unless the CDS and this RA are willing to live up to the claim of CDS being the only truly democratic community in SL, neither I nor CARE can, in all good conscience, continue to participate in its system of governance. Should this RA decide to acknowledge the severe failings of our current system of governance and take immediate and concrete steps to remedy them in a manner similar to that I oultlined above, we would be more than happy to resume our participation and be a part of the process.

Michel[/quote:rvg0qv0l]
Michel,

I'm not suggesting you should discard principle for popularity, but effectiveness in a legislative body requires that a member not alienate the rest of the body by making outslandish demands that the rest acknowledge their own "severe failings" and if such demands are not satisfied will result in a lack of participation.

It is looking more and more that CARE is a minority of one.

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[quote="michelmanen":a1vahuh2]Pat,

Your evident choice to ignore the (RL and SL) evidence negating your first 3 statements does not make such evidence go away.[/quote:a1vahuh2]What evidence? You haven't said why you think we are not open, democratic and inclusive. It's not good enough to throw these words around, you need to back them up with evidence.

[quote:a1vahuh2]And our CDS civil society institutions work better exactly because they allow all their members to get invloved and participate, unlike our system of governance where all power is effectively concentrated in the hands of 5 individuals[/quote:a1vahuh2]Legislative power is given to the 5 representatives, chosen through election. This is balanced by the Philosophical and Executive Branches as per the Constitution. Are you suggesting we develop a system of direct democracy instead? If so, this isn't the way to go about building support for it.

[quote:a1vahuh2] with someone who is at the same time SC Member, RA Member, CSDF Leader, Chair of whatever commisisons are offered to him, and self-appointed CDS Security and Morality Czar.[/quote:a1vahuh2]I'm an SC member because I was invited to join that body (and honoured to do so). I am an RA member because, like you, I was elected to serve. This is allowed for in the Constitution; I don't have a vote in the SC while serving on the RA. I'm not the CSDF Leader, Jon is our Secretary-General, I resigned that post upon joining the RA. I have chaired one Commission, on the Estate Plan, which was acclaimed as a successful one. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm a Security and Morality czar.

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[quote="Justice Soothsayer":oozyixnl][Michel,

I'm not suggesting you should discard principle for popularity, but effectiveness in a legislative body requires that a member not alienate the rest of the body by making outslandish demands that the rest acknowledge their own "severe failings" and if such demands are not satisfied will result in a lack of participation.

It is looking more and more that CARE is a minority of one.[/quote:oozyixnl]s

A minority since he is still in there fighting for what he believes. I left and went to Caledon bringing along with me the peace center. This was a move that was not decided upon by myself alone. Others have done the same. We took the "easy" way out.
The neat thing about Second Life is that people get to associate with like minded people. I do not regret my decision to leave the CDS and would have done so sooner if it was not for my military service.
My only question is that after Michel and his group leaves who is going to take their place and get bashed by the majority? You do seem to have a need to bash someone and you have a "talent" of turning your friends into adversaries. This started with the two founders of Phase III.

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[quote="michelmanen":1n8saunm]Pat,

Your evident choice to ignore the (RL and SL) evidence negating your first 3 statements does not make such evidence go away. And our CDS civil society institutions work better exactly because they allow all their members to get invloved and participate, unlike our system of governance where all power is effectively concentrated in the hands of 5 individuals, where as a rule only 1 or 2 non-public-official citizens attend its meetings, and where all other branches of government are for all intents and purposes non-existent (Aliasi met with us once in 3 months, Gywn cumulates on her own the powers and duties of the scientific and juficiary branches).
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My inability to be on Second Life at the same time as the members of the Representative Assembly hardly constitutes 'non-existence' on my part. However, much like the Scientific Council, the Executive isn't a particularly glamorous job when done properly. I have done as much as I could, with my deficiencies being primarily in areas that are [i:1n8saunm]not[/i:1n8saunm] the proper domain of the Executive, but that I intended to do because I had the ability. I.e., the teleport signs. Properly, I should have just hired out, but intended to save the city a few L$ by doing it myself, since I could. Life happened. One may ask if someone with so little free time should have run for Chancellor in the first place. I agree fully, so why didn't anyone else run so they could get elected instead?

In terms of those things the Chancellor actually has business doing, I believe my performance has been satisfactory. I have overseen the MoCA art displays. I have been interviewed about the CDS by journalists. I have enforced the covenants as soon as I have been aware of violations. I fully admit to my mistakes and mis-steps, but these have been cases of my words being less than diplomatic than being in actual error... and the RA knew I was a blunt individual with the utter directness of a chainsaw when they elected me, both times. I can only conclude that this feature of my personality is not sufficently off-putting.

One thing I don't do, though, is carry grudges. I'm genuinely appreciative of the contributions you have made to the CDS. At the same time, Michel, your self-interest is showing. Is this truly an action of CARE the political faction, or an action by Michel Manen the person, frustrated that things aren't going his way? Often, Michel, your speech comes across as speaking for CARE [i:1n8saunm]ex cathedra[/i:1n8saunm], as if there is no seperation between the wishes of CARE and the wishes of Michel Manen. Take your withdrawal of CARE from the CDS - is it true that [i:1n8saunm]no[/i:1n8saunm] CARE member wishes to stay and claim this seat? Or is it simply the case that you'd eject anyone who wanted to? In such a case, please remember the composition of the Second life group and the political faction are related largely for practical reasons and do not reflect the membership of the faction. So long as three people listed as being in CARE remain in the CDS, and one of these people were in the running in the previous election, they certainly will have the opportunity to fill the seat, whatever your personal wishes. Of course, if none do, we'll have to have a special election.

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A minority since he is still in there fighting for what he believes. I left and went to Caledon bringing along with me the peace center. This was a move that was not decided upon by myself alone. Others have done the same. We took the "easy" way out.
The neat thing about Second Life is that people get to associate with like minded people. I do not regret my decision to leave the CDS and would have done so sooner if it was not for my military service.
My only question is that after Michel and his group leaves who is going to take their place and get bashed by the majority? You do seem to have a need to bash someone and you have a "talent" of turning your friends into adversaries. This started with the two founders of Phase III.[/quote:27s9os0l]

Ranma, I have tried to refrain from snark, but I believe one obstacle you faced was the belief that 'what I, Ranma Tardis want' equals 'what should be done', and when - in a [b:27s9os0l]democracy[/b:27s9os0l] - you were voted against, this means the people were wrong.

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[quote="Aliasi Stonebender":366s12dl][Ranma, I have tried to refrain from snark, but I believe one obstacle you faced was the belief that 'what I, Ranma Tardis want' equals 'what should be done', and when - in a [b:366s12dl]democracy[/b:366s12dl] - you were voted against, this means the people were wrong.[/quote:366s12dl]
I was voted against 100percent of the time. Thus I take your message as validating my decision to leave the CDS and devote my attention to a community of residents with the same intrests as myself. I am not a sub that enjoys getting beat up and my wishes and desires should mean something.
Well since in another thread I was critized for leaving "negative" postings will follow your wishes and stop posting messages.
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[quote:24sbiewy]My inability to be on Second Life at the same time as the members of the Representative Assembly hardly constitutes 'non-existence' on my part. However, much like the Scientific Council, the Executive isn't a particularly glamorous job when done properly. I have done as much as I could, with my deficiencies being primarily in areas that are not the proper domain of the Executive, but that I intended to do because I had the ability. I.e., the teleport signs. Properly, I should have just hired out, but intended to save the city a few L$ by doing it myself, since I could. Life happened. One may ask if someone with so little free time should have run for Chancellor in the first place. I agree fully, so why didn't anyone else run so they could get elected instead?

In terms of those things the Chancellor actually has business doing, I believe my performance has been satisfactory. I have overseen the MoCA art displays. I have been interviewed about the CDS by journalists. I have enforced the covenants as soon as I have been aware of violations. I fully admit to my mistakes and mis-steps, but these have been cases of my words being less than diplomatic than being in actual error... and the RA knew I was a blunt individual with the utter directness of a chainsaw when they elected me, both times. I can only conclude that this feature of my personality is not sufficently off-putting.[/quote:24sbiewy]

Aliasi, please note that I did not criticize you personally, nor your performance as Chancellor. And I realize you have abusy personal life, and studies on top of that. But, as you recognize, meeting with the RA once in 3 months is clearly not adequate and reinforces my point that in our current system of governance there are virtually no actually functioning checks and balances to the powers of the RA except those concentrated in the hands of Gwyn. Whilst I have the outmost respect and admiration for her, this does say rather a lot about the state of health of our democracy and of our institutions.

[quote:24sbiewy]One thing I don't do, though, is carry grudges. I'm genuinely appreciative of the contributions you have made to the CDS. At the same time, Michel, your self-interest is showing. Is this truly an action of CARE the political faction, or an action by Michel Manen the person, frustrated that things aren't going his way? Often, Michel, your speech comes across as speaking for CARE ex cathedra, as if there is no seperation between the wishes of CARE and the wishes of Michel Manen. Take your withdrawal of CARE from the CDS - is it true that no CARE member wishes to stay and claim this seat? Or is it simply the case that you'd eject anyone who wanted to? In such a case, please remember the composition of the Second life group and the political faction are related largely for practical reasons and do not reflect the membership of the faction. So long as three people listed as being in CARE remain in the CDS, and one of these people were in the running in the previous election, they certainly will have the opportunity to fill the seat, whatever your personal wishes. Of course, if none do, we'll have to have a special election.[/quote:24sbiewy]

You speak of my self-interest. What exactly is that? Am I in any way deriving any personal benefit from my public activities on CDS besides, of course, the personal attacks, name-calling, invective, and false accusations I have been subjected to ever since I founded CARE? Do you know many people who have invested more time, eneregy, efforts and resources (financial or otherwise) to develop this sim and make it publicly known, whether though in-world videos, newspaper interviews, land purchase and development, organisation of conferences and hosting of important 2l meetings, support of art and artists, attendance of meetings and events of both political and non-political nature, participation in the political process and public life, and most recently constructing out of my own resources a detailed and realistic new sim proposal (for which, incidentally, I was further attacked and rubbished by those in whose interest it is to see me discredited)? If I have a "self-interest", it is nothing other than that of helping the CDS live up to its motto of being the only truly democratic community in Second Life. And when I see that our structure of governance is moving backwards instead of forwards, more exclusive and inward-looking and oligarchic than ever before, I am told that I am not playing the game as I should and I'm not behaving like a getleman. Well, unfortunately, this is no longer cricket and I have a duty to stand up and call it as I see it - and when I concluded that I could no longer continue, in all good conscience, to sit as a member of the RA, I took the only option left open to me - I resigned.

CARE's constitution gives me, as Executive Consul, the authority to establish a party line regarding party policy and membership until and unless a majority of CARE faction members decides otherwise. As I stated on another thread, individuals whose name appeared on the CARE ballot at tle last election are free to take up the vacated seat if they so desire, but not under the CARE banner. I have never threatened anyone with expulsion; this is another idea you picked up from one of my "friends" on the forums without even the courtesy of talking to me face to face -as happened incidentlally, with your post regarding my alleged attempt to take over your job and book the new sim before the competition had even begun!!!) Of course, should the CDS CARE faction meet and decide by majority vote to change existing CARE policy and fill the empty seat, that is entirely its prerogative. Until then, however, the decision of the CARE Executive Committee stands.

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[quote="Michel Manen":1cztdg7l]CARE's constitution gives me, as Executive Consul, the authority to establish a party line regarding [color=red:1cztdg7l]party policy[/color:1cztdg7l] and [color=indigo:1cztdg7l]membership'[/color:1cztdg7l] (...) As I stated on another thread, individuals whose name appeared on the CARE ballot at tle last election are free to take up the vacated seat if they so desire, but not under the CARE banner.[/quote:1cztdg7l]
[quote="www.care-cds.com/constitution.html":1cztdg7l]5.3 Officers: CARE shall be led by three Co-Chairs (Consuls).
5.4 (a) Executive Consul: in charge of CARE party issues; chairing the Membership and Renewal Taskforce and Election Taskforce.(...)

(...)
5.2 (d) Election Taskforce: [color=red:1cztdg7l]deals with the planning, preparation, running and evaluation of all CDS-based elections[/color:1cztdg7l] CARE will field candidates in;
5.2 (e) Membership and Renewal Taskforce: [color=indigo:1cztdg7l]deals with enlarging our membership base[/color:1cztdg7l] ad constantly reviewing and updating our goals, strategies and tactics;[/quote:1cztdg7l]
[quote="Michel Manen":1cztdg7l]the CARE Excutive has decided that they would not be able to do so under the CARE banner.[/quote:1cztdg7l]

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[quote="michelmanen":6nx5wocq] (as opposed to losing in rapid succession valuable citizens such as Ashcroft, Oni, Ben, Ranma, Carolyn, Diane, Dave Attenborough, TOP, and address the fact that we currently have a majority of our citizens barely involved in the day-to-day life of CDS); [/quote:6nx5wocq] This is inaccurate information.

I am aware of the departure of Ashcroft, Ranma and TOP. I can say quite definitely that Dianne remains a member of our community. As for Carolyn, I know only that she has put her last parcel up for sale, so I assume her intention to depart. As for Oni Jiutai, Benjamin Noble, and Dave Attenborough, I have no information whatsoever that these individuals have abandoned their citizenship. I would greatly appreciate the individuals in question informing me of their intentions, purely as a courtesy, so that records can be kept up to date, so that I will not vainly send them notices of monthly fees due, and so that land which they might possibly own might be put up for sale to the many people who clamour for participation in our community.

Indeed, if in fact these three individuals are no longer on the citizenship roles, this fact might have serious impact on the configuration of group land ownership vis a vis covenant requirements.

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Sudane, from the strictly legal point of view, Oni, Ben and Dave remain citizens as members of Hammurabi Chambers and CIH. The tier fees are regularly paid and no arrears are due. They can continue to derive their citizenship from the lots owned by these groups as long as no additional, stricter citizenship requirements will be imposed by the RA on its citizens.

However, for all intents and purposes, due to various events which I shall not review here, Oni, Ben and Dave haven't been seen in CDS for a long time and have not taken any part in our community's life. It was my hope that the atmosphere in CDS would improve and that, eventually, they would return in practice and become again active members of our community.

So, to answer your question: Oni, Ben, and Dave have not abandoned their citizenship, in that they have not made such statements (at least not to me) and in the sense that the groups to which they belong and derive their citizenship from continue to have their tier fees paid punctually. So they are in strict compliance with CDS law as it stands. However, they have taken no part in the life of our community for quite some time, which I think represents a sad and real loss to the CDS.

As for Diane, although she remains a citizen, she has resigned her position in the SC and significantly curtailed her activities in the CDS, for reasons best explained be her in another thread. So, again, while she remains a CDS citizen, her active involvment in our community's life is for all intents and purposes non-existent. This, indeed, is the case for many of our "absentee citizens" who continue to pay tier fees and thus maintain their citizenship status, but take little or no part in our community's life, preferring for various reasons (RL or SL-based) to spend their time engaged in other activities. Such a purely technical compliance with CDS law, while beneficial to the CDS Treasury, does little for our life as a community and the health our our democracy.

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