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[quote="Beathan":xanqujjj]
"totalitarianism." These observations, put in such a way, are not nice -- but they are also important and not uncivil.[/quote:xanqujjj]

Here we are running into the use of "loaded words" - to some (me included) calling someone a "totalitarian" is a "loaded word," highly insulting and will shut down more discourse than it creates. In fact - to accuse a party of this - would be viewed by most as "name calling" due to the nature and history of this word.

But, aside from the conversation above, what I saw in the earlier posts was a clear ad Hominem attack, so we can wrangle words here and play with definitions and gray areas - but it was fairly clear insult was the intent.

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I see a clear disintiction here -- and will confine my ad hominem attacks in inword and email private conversations.

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LOL! :)

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Bromo --

Surely you are not taking the position that we cannot use terms of art in a properly theoretical way merely because someone, somewhere might misunderstand the theory or the theoretical usage and be offended. Such a rule would stifle free speach by forcing everyone to use language so attenuated and rife with convoluted definition as to be meaningless or, at best, impenetrable.

In political theory, "totalitarian" means any political system that attempts to engage with the lives of the citizens at every possible point -- "total engagement and control". That is how I use it. Historically, such a political theory has been shown to have very bad consequences -- so bad that people want to avoid political actions that are totalitarian.

However, to me, this is a reason to use the word, not to refrain from using the word. When I see a political movement that seeks total engagement with the citizens, I call it totalitarian because that is what it is. To refuse to use the word for fear that people might actually react to it violates the fundamental rule of fair and civil argument and rhetoric -- that ideas should be communicated clearly, cleanly and boldly.

I am reminded of the continuing war, in America, over the terms "handicapped," "retarded," "special," "different" etc. Some of these -- like "handicapped" (which comes from the idea that such people beg for a living, with cap in hand) are truly offensive. Others, like "retarded", merely describe a clinical condition -- but the term has been appropriated in common use because the condition is undesirable, so calling something "retarded" in a nonclinical sense is an ad hominem short-hand for "stupid" or "bad". However, this does not mean that we should not use the term "retarded" in its clinical sense when describing a person who has slow or impeded development of physical or mental abilities. Despite that, to avoid offending people because of the misuse of the clinical term "retarded" -- people (especially education professionals) began using the other terms: "special", "different" etc. The result -- these words also became commonly used as a short-hand for "stupid" or "bad" -- so the abandonment of the term "retarded" didn't avoid the problem, it just made legitimate clinical speech more difficult by forcing clinicians to use inexact and problematic euphemisms.

I don't call someone a "Nazi" unless I think that they are actually promoting a National Socialist agenda. Similarly, I refrain from calling people fascist unless they advocate the (intentionally amorphous) agenda of such movements. I don't call social democrats "communists" -- even if, under the right circumstances, I do call them "Marxists." When I use the term "totalitarian" I do not mean it as a shorthand for "bad" but as a shorthand for "advocating an over-reaching engagement by government with the citizens which threatens to trespass and undermine individual privacy."

I believe that CARE is totalitarian by this definition. You can regret that, or resent that, or think that I am wrong -- but it is improper to censor my expressing this opinion in clear, clean and bold language by requiring that I voice this opinion, which I hold without reservations, as if I had such reservations. Such watered-down expression would be nice -- but it wouldn't be honest.

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Beathan's syllogism in 3 easy steps

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Beathan's syllogism in 3 easy steps:

1. A party that wants attempts to acieve "total engagement and control" over its citizens is totalitarian.

2. CARE wants to engage CDS citizens to actively participate in al all facets of community life and in their own process of self-governance.

3. Therefore, CARE wants to achieve "total engagement and control" over all CDS citizens - which makes CARE a totalitarian party.

Assignment: Analsye the above syllogism and explain why the author's party affiilation name (Simpleton) is so ironically apropriate in this case.

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Michael --

Your strawman argument fails in the second point (the minor proposition of the syllogism). You are making the first mistake of the propagandist -- believing your own rhetoric.

All parties in the CDS want the citizens to participate in democratic self-governance. That is part of the democratic process. What makes CARE different -- and frightening -- is that CARE wants this engagement to be through the medium of CARE.

If I had to correct your proof as minimally as possible, I would change point 2 to:

CARE wants to engage CDS citizens to actively participate, through the mediation of CARE, in all facets of community life and in their own process of self-governance.

Personally, I don't believe that governance through the mediation of CARE is either democratic or self-governance. I do think it is properly described as totalitarian.

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Hi all,

Just stepping in to announce that I am running as a candidate for the R.A. as a member of the Simplicity Party.

As a proud member of this faction, I believe that a large and intrusive government is unneeded and inefficient, often squandering our precious resources (manpower, finances, unwitting volunteers) that could be better used in our community. I believe that our government should be accessible, with responsible legislation to keep our sim moving in the right direction without weighing us down with superfluous bills. Lastly, I am a strong believer in the entrepreneurial and creative skills of our citizens, which can do more to make a vision a reality than any piece of bloated legislation.

I will fully, and proudly, admit that I am [i:3vq6ajhh]not[/i:3vq6ajhh] a politician. I am not one for long, onerous soliloquies (this might be one of my longest posts ever in fact), but rather productive dialog to best solicit and encourage all citizens, regardless of faction, tenure, or lack of eucalyptus to participate in their government.

So, again, I am Brian Livingston and I am running for the R.A. as a Simplicity Party candidate. If you have any questions or thoughts or whatnot, feel free to track me down inworld or e-mail me at bri.liv AT gmail.com.

Respectfully yours,

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Question for the parties

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I am still a member of the Simplicity Party, but that membership is not necessarily lifelong (it really was more of a reaction to some horrible trends at the time of the last election that, fortunately, have been halted and in some cases even reversed).

I know electoral reform is a constant issue, and I think most people are dissatisfied with the current system, though what they would do to remedy it differs widely.

If we are truly voting for platforms rather than representatives, we may as well move to a referendum/direct democracy situation. However, the reality is that the majority of CDS citizens have neither the time nor the interest to consider votes on a weekly basis. The benefit of a direct democracy, of course, is that people speak for themselves rather than having parties (or their leaders) claim a mandate based on number of party members or showing in the polls, when in reality many factors are in play in a general election.

Another option is the current system, in which people vote for parties but once they are elected, RA members have no obligation to carry out or even vote for their party's platform, not to mention the issues that arise that weren't addressed by their platform, leading to a situation in which members of the same party have opposite votes. Doesn't that call into question the idea that our system is really about parties rather than individual political leaders?

A third option is the American style parties-support-the-politicians system, where we vote directly for people rather than parties. This would head off the problem of liking some of the party members standing for election while finding others unpalatable, but the constant turnover creates a severe problem in such a system.

A fourth option, which I've mentioned elsewhere, is a patronage system in which membership in the RA is fluid and is based on having a minimum number of citizens who have chosen you as their representative (say, 5). Until they change their allegiance, dropping your list of represented citizens to lower than the required amount, or until you resign or are removed, membership in the RA is ongoing. This system, while I admit it has its flaws, is more likely to promote representative government in a meaningful sense. It allows for both issue candidates and demagogues to have a place, and for both parties and independent voters to have a voice. What I like about it most is that it puts people very close to their lawmakers and makes performance rather than rhetoric a basis for choosing representatives.

Surely there are other possibilities as well, but my question for the parties standing in this election is: what action if any do you intend to take to reform the system which so many say is broken?

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Post by michelmanen »

Brian,

Thank you very much for letting everyone know you're running. You don't have to be a 'politician' to run - in fact, the more fresh faces and new ideas we have, the better !So good luck, and I look forward to seeing you on the campaign trail.

Oh, do you have any idea who the third Simplicity Party member is?

Thanks,

Michel

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Re: Who ARE the Candidates?

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Finally, I have also just found out from an ex-citizen that the DPU has folded due to lack of candidates - from a party notice sent only to party members. No official announcment was made to let CDS citizens know- neither in-world, nor in the forums.
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Also, just to let you know, the DPU has NOT folded, we are just not placing forward any candidates this election. We as a party are still going to exist, and in the near future will be running again.

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Re: Who ARE the Candidates?

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[quote="Dnate Mars":sumon28q][quote="michelmanen":sumon28q]
Finally, I have also just found out from an ex-citizen that the DPU has folded due to lack of candidates - from a party notice sent only to party members. No official announcment was made to let CDS citizens know- neither in-world, nor in the forums.
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Also, just to let you know, the DPU has NOT folded, we are just not placing forward any candidates this election. We as a party are still going to exist, and in the near future will be running again.[/quote:sumon28q]

Excellent --

Glad to hear it. In that case, canthe DPU still appear on the ballot as a party with more than three members? As discussed in this forum, the current election system is for party, not person. Perhaps the DPU can remain on the ballot and can sort out, after the election, what to do with any seats it wins.

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We have at least 3 members, but I think we missed a deadline or 2.

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LOL Beathan! You are incorrigible! Get a life!

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Michel --

Ah yes, Michel -- your obligatory attack on me to "get a life." Like clockwork -- every six weeks or so. Well, you make up in predictability what you lack in imagination.

I just want the citizens of the CDS to have the greatest range of electoral choices available -- even if the range of choices dilutes the influence of my Faction. The fact that you appear to oppose this indicates that you, as I have suspected, care about increasing the power of CARE rather than increasing the range of freedom of the citizens of the CDS.

The DPU has a wonderful history of ability and achievement in the CDS. I respect the DPU greatly -- and would hate to see it fade away. I am happy that your report of its death was premature. I also think that Dnate would be a great addition to the RA -- and would like to see that happen sooner, rather than later -- and preferably without our going through the trauma of a Michel Manen Chancellorship with a CARE RA.

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I'm also running as a DPU candidate.

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I just emailed Gywn under the wire. I'll try to be in world on Sat. for the debate. Even if I can't participate in the debate, I'd be happy to chat and answer any questions. :) -Pel

PS: Please excuse my absence, I just moved crosscountry and started a new job.

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Re: I'm also running as a DPU candidate.

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[quote="Pelanor Eldrich":1qzgv63h]I just emailed Gywn under the wire. I'll try to be in world on Sat. for the debate. Even if I can't participate in the debate, I'd be happy to chat and answer any questions. :) -Pel

PS: Please excuse my absence, I just moved crosscountry and started a new job.[/quote:1qzgv63h]
Glad to know that I wasn't the only one that had to move cross-country for a job!

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Is there a place were we can ask questions of the parties and candidates? I would think it would be helpful to have a Q and A thread for each party.[/i]

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