Transcript of Town Hall Meeting 4th June 2006

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:07 am

Since the re-naming has now been completed I believe we can safely post the transcript of our Town Hall meeting:
[color=Black:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1 Sudane's[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Sienna:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Region: Neualtenburg (246528, 249600)[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Local-Position: (198, 184, 179)[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Meeting on 2006-06-04[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Those present[/b:2ezpnpfb]: [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[Citizens]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Olive:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Justice Soothsayer [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Green:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Dnate Mars [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Teal:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Jon Seattle [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SlateGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Moon Adamant [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SandyBrown:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Mezumi Akula [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[Non-citizen
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Gray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Circe Timtam [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Magenta:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Khashon Steinbeck [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Orange:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Ravenna Eponym [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Yellow:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Acquitaine [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau is in the chair.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Lime:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]ConferenceChair: Touched. [/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: room for another[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: ah yes the recorder[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I take it we have to touch it?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Hello Gwyn[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hi Claude[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes once it's turned on[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hi Claude ... good thing you could make it [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Claude, I'm glad you were able to make it![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'll be in and out.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: am I stealing anyone's chair here?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: we need music for this[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn is Diderot's echo[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Probably mostly out.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Gray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Circe Timtam smiles and wave to all[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: My chair got stolen![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: )[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: is somebody taking pictures ... this is an amazing turnout[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Moon Adamant[/b:2ezpnpfb]: lol[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Has someone put out a recorder?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: there's a blackbox on the table[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Looks pretty lively for a dying sim[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Green:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dnate Mars[/b:2ezpnpfb]: lol[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Hello, Pelanor.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hehe Garnet [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: And here comes Pelanor as well.... welcome![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I think we'll need some chairing of the meeting in order to keep within a reasonable timefra[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hi Pelanor [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Teal:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jon Seattle[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Hi Pelanor[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Thanks for coming Caledonian representatives.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: *timeframe[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Gray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Circe Timtam[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hello Khashai [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine smiles and nods[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DeepSkyBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Khashai Steinbeck[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Circe =)[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrchid:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]ConferenceChair: <-0.68309, -0.18298, -0.68295, 0.18301>[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: My job and I'm glad to be here.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: A warm welcome to the Caledonians [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and the pirates[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: feel free to have a seat.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine smiles[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: anyone still standing please feel free to grab a chair[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Silver:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]ConferenceChair: <-0.21856, -0.67254, -0.21849, 0.67244>[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DeepSkyBlue:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Khashai Steinbeck smiles.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Pirates too : )[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Oh yes forgot that[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'm afraid that moving right now is, ah, not an option at the moment - so if it doesn't offend, I would prefer to stand...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: right ... we should be starting in just a few minutes ...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: ok... the Agenda is in the penguin! [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: everybody touch the penguin to get a copy of the agenda[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I think we'll need someone to chair this session ... any suggestions?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: touch the penguin for a copy![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa doesn't see it[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: it is behind Gwyneth.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: It's behind Garnet.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: touched it. don't see a copy[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Or Garnet.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Green:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dnate Mars[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I don't see it[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: there he is[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:2ezpnpfb]: got it now. Textures hadn't rezzed yet[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: got it[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: anyone else having trouble gettin a copY??[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Hehe we're really putting this sim to stress...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: i dont see a penguin[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: he's behind my chair[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: behind Gwyn[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Dianne... just behind Garnet and myself[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Claude!!![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: oh yeah[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: blurry[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Jony...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Where's the penguin?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: behind Garnet[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: right .. we have 6 items on the agenda that we need to go through ... I'm sure we'll want to get through all items and that everyone here is interested in having their say .. within a reasonable timeframe ... I'll expect this meeting to take 1 - 1? hour[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'm pointing at it, Claude....[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: but I'd recommend that we try to stick to some sort of structure in conducting the meeting[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Who leads the meeting? Diderot?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'll be happy to ... unless there are alternative suggestions?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I vote for Diderot to lead the meeting[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Green:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dnate Mars[/b:2ezpnpfb]: second[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I second that vote.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Moon Adamant[/b:2ezpnpfb]: second[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Jonty, could you give that chair to Claude?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: thanks for the confidence ... let's press on then [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: aye[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: lets debate that first [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: pfft[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hehe[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: rofl Dianne![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel[/b:2ezpnpfb]: of course[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: its where he traditionally sits[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: sorry... thx![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: sit here![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: the structure I propose for the meeting is that I open each item with a brief background on why we need to discuss this issue ...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: still have some free seats[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: didn't realize there were traditional seats...i'm probably in someone here[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: me too[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: no no[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: sit claude[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: only Claude [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: No, that was just a joke [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: then I'll ask a person to present the argument in favour and the argument against ...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: As his toady, I sit to his right. [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: there'll be a session with questions / opinions ... and finally a vote ... which I stress is not binding on the RA, which will be responsible for taking the final decision on each of these issues[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: In case he needs a brew...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Let Diderot chair.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Kids are about and I may have to dash off at any moment.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: citizens of Neualtenburg, friends and guests welcome to this Town Hall Meeting[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: as you may or may not know the meeting has been called in the wake of recent events, which have necessitated a bit of a rethink on our name, layout and so on ..[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: in order to give the RA proper input from the community and to allow citizens to be briefed and have their say about which direction the sim should take we havetaken the inititiative for this meeting[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: first .. just to be sure .. is the recorder on?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes... it is[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: It shows as being on.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: good ... I think everybody who intends to speak needs to touch it in order to indicate their consent to being rec orded[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Don't forget to touch it.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and i'm received the transcripts now[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Teal:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Olive:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Justice Soothsayer has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: so touch recorder before we speak each time?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: no just once[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: so we can touch it now then?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and now is as good a time as ever[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SlateGray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: as you may know .. the city has been in negotiation with one of its original founders, who left the sim about six months ago ... Ulrika Zugzwang laid claims on some of the intellectual property including the name of Neualtenburg[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DeepSkyBlue:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Khashai Steinbeck has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I won't bore you with the story of these negotiations .. it's available in the forums ... they broke down unfortunately ... and the end result of that was ...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: that Ulrika Zugzwang visited the sim and deleted those objects she considered to be hers .. including a fair share of objects which were not hers but which she deleted apparently by mistake[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: not by mistake[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkOrange:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:2ezpnpfb]: she deleted other things, too? What things?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: can prove it[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Roads, walls[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and can I just take this moment to acknowledge and say thank you to all those builders who have been working double time to undo the damage and return our city to normality ..[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes... not by mistake[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes!!![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: thankyou[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: thank you builders![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: bravo all![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Aye, thank you fgaithful and untiring ones [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: builders are cool [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hehe[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: well done[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Teal:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jon Seattle[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Thanks for all your work![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I think it's Moon Adamant, Dianne Mechanique, Sudane Erato, Aliasi Stonebender .. sorry is there anyone I have forgotten?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: oh... many![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: everyone[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: just say everyone[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Thank you all![/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: everyone thank you ... and sorry for my omitting your names ... [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: right let's progress to the meeting proper ..[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: the first item on the agenda is "Should we change the name"[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Moon Adamant[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes, evryone has been helping... even outsiders have been lending their hand, such as Eloise Pasteur who has kindly given me a load of textures[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: excellent [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: here's some backgroudn for why a name change might be feasible[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: the Scientific Council is no longer in control of the Neualtenburg Projekt forum on secondlife.com ... Linden Lab jave reverted ownership and moderation to the original founders i.e. Kendra and Ulrika on their request[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: that means they now have a forum available to them carrying the Neualtenburg name ... the only one on secondlife.com where they can freely slander the Neualtenburg community and mislead new users[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: in any case ownership of a forum on Secondlife.com may not be so desirable since now we have our own forums where it's possible to moderate posts without having to edit or delete people's contributions ... we can instead temporarily ban people which[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: should ensure some degree of self-moderation ..[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: furthermore ... allegedly ... Ulrika Zugzwang has filed a DMCA complaint with LL stating that our use of the Neualtenburg name is an infringment of her unregistered trademark .. we have yet to hear from LL on that account however[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'd also add that beyond the forums, there is now clearly a new area in the mainland using the "Neualtenburg" name[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: all these things considered lead in my view to the necessity of considering a change of name .. which might also be symbolic as a break away from the past ...[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Salzie! [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Excellent timing, Salzie [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: grand entrance[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: hehe[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: personally I'd propose considering a new name simply because it is not feasible to have a secondlife.com forum using the neualtenburg name that is not under control of the neualtenburg community[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: crashed again[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: would anyone like to present the argument in favour of retaining the Neualtenburg name?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Sure[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Pelanor go ahead[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: damn stuck hi all[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: )[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: click a chair slazie[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: (hi Salzie .. and welcome .. as long as you can hear us) [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: mezumi and ravenna have joined us too. hi there.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Ican hear just can't see[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Keeping the name implies that the Republic is stronger than any one citizen and can survive the loss of founders, we can open a new LL forum called Democratic Republic of NB or City of NB[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: feel free to join the circle anyone[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Pink:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]School Chair 2: Touched.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: right ... thanks for that contribution Pelanor .. is there any observation or question that anyone feels should be made in regard to this issue?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: It was not in fact a coup d'etat.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: The nation remains.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: oh sorry ... I though you were done[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: np[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: now done.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Is ownership of the name clear and could the city file a counter DMCA claim?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Gwyneth would you care to answet that?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Sure... we would need proper legal advice.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: could someone clarify DMCA....don't know the acronym[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Since a community's name cannot be registered nor copyrighted[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Digital Millenium Copyright ACt ... it's an intellectual property legislation[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: DMCA: Digital Millenium Copyright Act[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: thanks[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: covering the jurisdiction of the United States [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Oh, wait, Diderot.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: It has very interesting exceptions for non-US claims.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Moon Adamant[/b:2ezpnpfb]: back[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'll skip the legalese, but it actually gives *more* protection to copyrights & trademarks which are unregistered in the US[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Anyway, as I was saying[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: as long as the community exists[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: a community that calls itself "neualtenburg"[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and has done so[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: for an extended period of time[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: using it also for providing services and products[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I just want an air a continuity and I won't be bullied by bloviating blowhards, even if they did found this place.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: *of[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: it has a valid claim on the name[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I'd like to present the view of a friendly outsider: the name has been tarnished in the sense that a brand can be tarnished. You can see it on the forums. The name is now a liability.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: That's a good point.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I agree with Traxx[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: as another outsider - I think a clean break would be the best for all parties involved. It would alleviate some of the angst.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Aye. By keeping the name, we'll always be "the group that forked off Ulrika's Project"[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: indeed[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Green:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dnate Mars[/b:2ezpnpfb]: But the name is also known outside of the community. If we change names, we will have to start all over again.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Gray:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Circe Timtam nods her head[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: i would like to point out that even the argument for keeping thename[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Being rather new, I'm not attached to the name, but I can understand how others are[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: requests that we differentie at least a bit[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: by calling ourselves he city of nburg[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: or whatever[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes there are ups and downs to each approach .. however what weighs heavily in favour of abandoning the name in my view is the fact that they own a forum with the Neualtenburg name[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: some kind of differentiation[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: is necessary[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Starting all over can be magic in the sense of refounding a group so that more people feel that it is their group -- they are one of the founders[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: A forum, a website, property in the mainland.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2ezpnpfb]: BTW I'm not for keeping the name, I just wanted to present the pro-keep argument.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][i:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine nods to Traxx.[/i:2ezpnpfb][/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Gray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Circe Timtam[/b:2ezpnpfb]: wise words Traxx[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: What's the total cost?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: well there's a cost of 50 usd for changing the sim name[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: then we need to register a new domain[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Which costs US 9.95 at GoDaddy [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and some labour in changing group names[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Well, I woudl let the DCMA run its course, as its way of presenting our arguements in public, and now in the forums[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Teal:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jon Seattle[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I think that a change can also help make us better known -- if we publisize the name change.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and if the ruolin goes against us, let LL pay[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I have found that we can readily change the paypal account name[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: May we have a shorter name?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Gwyneth - I used 1and1 for mine - 4.95 for a year.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: *not int he forms[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: thats cheaper overall than the payout to ulrika[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yay Phedre ? that price is unbeatable [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: yes actually we could have a competition as a kind of publicity stunt .. let people propose ideas for a new name and send it to a vote eventually[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Diderot, it would certainly help with the effort to make people aware of the change.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:2ezpnpfb]: i like the name by vote idea.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Olive:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Justice Soothsayer[/b:2ezpnpfb]: "the Sim formerly known as Neualtenburg"[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: neufreineualtenburgstadt[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Cyan:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Carry some of the cache of this place.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I am not sure I'd want to wait for the DMCA claim to be settled .. although I'm not afraid of fighting the case .. I think what we need is a clean break .. and not to have to drag our feet further[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I have an attachment to the old name but can see the adavantages in changing now, especially as any new Neualtenburg projekt will be tainted[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Let me just add something... changing the name of the sim is certainly desirable... but IMO we shouldn't just accept Ulrika's claim with our arms crossed.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel[/b:2ezpnpfb]: How about Neuenburg, it exists in Germany so ther shoudl be no copyright probelm[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Green:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dnate Mars[/b:2ezpnpfb]: But we give in to this, what will she want next? With her it is always more that she wants from us. We will never be free of her until we stand for what is rightfully ours.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: the disadvantage is ulrika "wins" and she will crow about it endlessly[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: in the forums[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Oh yes, she will [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: But will she have an audience? [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DarkRed:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I want a name change to be on our terms not theirs.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: to me Ulrika has ceased to exist as an inflluence worth spending time on .. that's why I want to change the name[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=RoyalBlue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Jonty Peel[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Gieven her last exploits would you join a UZ project?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I mean, who wishes to join the autocratic community of Port Neualtenburg? (have you visited it yet? read the conditions to apply? )[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Indigo:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Sudane Erato[/b:2ezpnpfb]: [/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Blue:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:2ezpnpfb]: I thin her crowing only reveals her tnacity - and people will judge her by that[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=SeaGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Garnet Psaltery[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Good point Claude. Why wait just because of her legal action?[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Purple:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Traxx Hathor[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Dnate there are some people who will never go away, and never cease their harassment, no matter what you do, it's just a part of life.[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: if we continue to acknowledge that her words carry any value whatsoever then yes we will be under the foot[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: we should be positive[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=YellowGreen:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:2ezpnpfb]: Aye Traxx *sigh*[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: and differentiate ourselves by our actions[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: not as a reply[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=Red:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Dianne Mechanique[/b:2ezpnpfb]: to her[/color:2ezpnpfb]
[color=DimGray:2ezpnpfb][b:2ezpnpfb]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:2ezpnpfb]: okay people I realise there's a lot of desire to talk this issue over but I'm going to cut it short since we need to be action focused ...[/color:2ezpnpfb]

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:08 am

[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: The existence of a forum with Neualtenburg as name would make retaining the name here a source of confusion continually. Not everyone reads the forums.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: does anyone want the floor for any final statements in regard to the question of changing the name?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: So change the name *and* fight the suit, I like it![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: hehe[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Well, I personally I'm glad to see that most of you are not totally against the idea of a name change [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: unless we can get her to have to abandon the name.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Pelanor ? that's teh spirit![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: anyone else?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: okay .. let's have a non-binding vote then ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I am going to present you with three alternatives ..[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: a) Keep the name and fight the fight[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: b) Abandon the name and fight the fight[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: c) Abandon the name and not fight the fight over IP rights[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Just yell your choice, people.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: b) for me[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Cyan:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Phedre Aquitaine takes off her ambassador hat briefly.[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: a[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: only citizens please [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Teal:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jon Seattle[/b:3bb0gzd9]: B![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: B) for me[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: B![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: b[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: b)[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: b as long as it's not too expensive. If we don't want the name, why pay lawyers to slug it out.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: b for me[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: B[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: B[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: B[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Olive:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Justice Soothsayer[/b:3bb0gzd9]: undecided - need to hear LL position about the IP rights[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: That's wise, Justice [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: anyone who has yet to cast their vote?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: undedicded. kneed to know more about past history and ip argument[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: all citizens please![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: um by fight the fight do you the DCMA claim or the purported litigation?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the DMCA claim[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Counter-claim to DMCA[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: And ? who knows? ? even file a DMCA claim on our own...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: ah, I htink that is an inportant fight as it has far reaching consequneces in SL[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: right ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think this wraps up #1 ... thank you everyone for your contributions[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: agree with Salzie[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: If it gets crazy expensive, we can stop, but we need to fire a warning shot that we won't be bullied.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i agree![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I totally agree, Salzie.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: and i agree as well, Pelanor![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Teal:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jon Seattle[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I agree as well[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: #2 on the agenda is "should we change the city layout"[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Pelanor as well[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Ok, now: the issue f the city layout is because Ulrika has claimed her rights on the layout as well.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: The map is certainly hers.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: why is this even a question? well ... some of these former citizens have proposed - possibly in jest - that they have intellectual property rights over the layout of the streets and buildings I believe .. and this might therefore be part of a DMCA claim[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I strongly oppose changing the layout[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i think teh layout can be advantageously changed[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: in any signifcant way[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: agree with Moon[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: A similar argument in RL: I've written the script, you've made a movie about it, and you haven't paid my royalties.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i am thinking the same as moon[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: personally I think it's ridiculous to file a claim of ownership over such a thing as a city layout .. it's a public document .. like the constitution .. it evolves over time ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: but the majority of the streets[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: are north south[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: ulrika cant copyright the compas[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: lol... now what a nice idea [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: hehe[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Here is a clever suggestion: how much should it be changed that it isn't considered a derivative work? [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: sorry, I was away, children -- undecided on #1.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Moon I agree with you in so far that I'd like to see a few changes of names to the streets of the city [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: hehe Diderot [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think layout is determiend by the terrain than inspirations from the wonderkind[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: ah, lol, well yes - that too [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think the layout and the terrain map flow from whatever theme decision gets made.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: maybe moon is thinking of what used to be Altenburg?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I would definitely fight the layout, isnt it owned by the sim owner?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I don't know if her city layout claim has any merit. The IP of buildings involved do not belong to her. I like our current layout, but would abstain because it's not that important to me.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: anyone else would have laid it out pretty much the smae[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think big changes of layou tnow ar emore work than we need[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: If they had the same terrain.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Yes, since any city "inspired" on Rothenburg would have similar elements.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: a professional would always design the terrain and the layout together[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: like what medieval bavarain city does not have a marktplatz, a cathedral, a bierstube and so on?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: well, consider also that a change in layout can be progressive according to a plan and schedule[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Yes in SL, Traxx ? not so in RL [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: it is also already different[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: We inherited the terrain.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: and indeed Traxx[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the very fact of kendra leaving[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: has changed it substantially[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the terrain was set in Anzere[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: As a newer resident, it was the layout (and collective nature) that attracted me. I can see reason for a few street name changes.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: she left?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Left the city, Kazu[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: oh![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: She's right now at this very moment happily building elsewhere.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa needs to catch up[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: All of this is contingent on our staying medieval Bavarian.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes Cy... hehe... definitely a few street name changes [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: She was in the square earlier today[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: what happened to Altenburg? Did she take that part of the city with her?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: welll if we are talking changes to the sim, I would suggest we add a river, which could then flow through the new sims, tiyin them all together, and adding waterfront property[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i agree with Claude, points 2,3, 4 are tied together[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I tend to agree, Claude[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Altenburg is gone[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Claude, and attractive layout with winding streets could be used with styles other than Bavarian[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Kazu: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: more or less[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Good point.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: think of Roman for example[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I do like Bavarian, or Swiss, really do we need to change every sim build, maybe later, but don't we have enough work to do?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: that is correct Traxx[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the altenburg area is a wonderful fertile ground[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: what about all the people that live on the outside of the walls?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: for new ideas[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: a perfect city entrance in fact[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: we don't want to force change on them[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Teal:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jon Seattle[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I happen to like mideval architecture.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I really appreciated the constraint of design within the walls and the freedom of design outside walls. It allowed residents to chose[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: There is a point here which is called "time". Rebuilding it under a different layout, sim, terraforming... will take a month or so[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i totally agree Dnate[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think the valley can stay as is.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Gwyn has a point[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I like th emedieval inner city[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I'd be very unhappy to lose the Rothenburg influence[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: and I woud be wiling to move if my outside land is needed for something else[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: We could build to our newly themed heart's content on new Sims or mainland franchulates.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Some have come to this place because of the way it looks...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I agree with Garnet[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I certainly did[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: well the walls are already 95% back up[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: People came here because of the theme, we should not have to change it. It could hurt us more then help us[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I came for that[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: if we changed the two entrances alone[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: which we will probably have to do[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: that woudl constitute enough change i think[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: And I agree, Pelanor (actually, to be honest, I personally don't like the theme *that* much, but i sort of grows on you...)[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I would drop the bridge, or move it as she claims it is "hers"[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes Dianne... I agree[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: brfidge is gone[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the bridge has bee nreplaced already by a masterpiece of Moon's design [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: There is a new bridge [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: oh![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yers!![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: okay this discussion is becoming a bit loose ... I think we need to keep it decision-oriented ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: lol Diderot... don't exaggerate[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Teal:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jon Seattle[/b:3bb0gzd9]: There are non-bavarian mideval towns. Perhaps one that has been important in the history of democracy.. free city air![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Also, with the future of a new sim in mind, do we really want to start over on this sim?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: The layout, terrain and quality of the architecture are critical to anyone thinking about a proposal to build a new sim adjacent to this one. It seems important to grow.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I'm not an aesthete and don't really care about theme. I worry about manpower hogs when we have so much to do as it is.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I agree with Claude that 2+3+4 are contingent on each other .. nevertheless ... as I see it .. what we're trying to discuss here is if we want to start a massive "re-engineering effort" which involves a new consistent theme within this sim[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i was attracted to the neualt experiment: mix of old city architecture w modern. it made for a very unique place in SL[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the only caveat i would throw in[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I suggest we call it the former Impierial city, renamed whatever after the citizens threw off the yoke of the evil emporess[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: is that one of our biggest detractions has always been the high altitude of this sim[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: whether we want to basically stay with the current layout and theme within this sim ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: and the effect it has on any adjoinging ones[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: loll Salzie![/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Awww but I love fog [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: spartacus city?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: or if we want to loosen up the restrictions on the theme in the current sim and let it develop organically ..[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Freistadt [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: god no! [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: can we many just lower the entire sim by 50m or something like that?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: no sparatucus[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Friestadt[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Could we adjust the slope so adjacent sims wouldn't have to be as high?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: is growing on me[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: It's in Austria- RL[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i'd say no to rebuilding without a plan and covenant[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I looked very closely at this sim, and felt it would need massive changes to be a good neighbor to adjacent sims[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Dnate ? lowering things means a total rebuilding, outside city walls as well [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think a gentler slope coul dbe useful[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Freudenstadt[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: LL can't just lower everything at once?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: hmm...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: agree with Moon[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: we could export the raw file and lower all values by a hundred metres[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Half the sim would be in the sea[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: and then afterwards move all the 15,000 prims?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Perhaps, Dnate, at a cost of US$50 per hour of their work.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I was thinking steeper so adjacent sims could be lower.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: we are already talking about 3 and 4 now[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Diderot bang the gavel [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Yes. sorry.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: we are, lol[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: BANG BANG[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: order please[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: : )[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: well, from the CN urban plan work, the main conditionants in thsi sim are the difference between highest and lowest[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: (CN = Colonia Nova = second sim)[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: let me just wrap up #2 ... I recognise that they are contingent but we need to give the RA input in a structured way[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: unless we make that difference shorter, it is very difficult to make more gentle slopes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: street layout[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn *raises hand*[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Gwyneth let me just make one statement here[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn waits with hand raised[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the impression I get from the conversation about street layout is that it is felt that the changes caused by the removal of Altenburg already means the layout can and will be changed significantly[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: me raises her hand too[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: in addition to that it is felt that the layout is not something that merits IP protection because of its uniqueness .. it's a publicly owned, organically developing body and almost all Rothenburg-inspired designs would have looked like this with the ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: ... current terrain which is a replica of the Anzere sim I believe ..[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Gwyneth... any comments?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Hmm well[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: basically, I just wished to raise the "time " element again[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: So I suggest a two-step approach.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Step #1: change the layout slightly[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: so that it shows goodwill to make a change[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I'd say, what has been done so far is fine[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: This will mean that if someone uh DMCA's us on the "layout"[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: we can always answer: we're working on it, but it takes time.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: LL is not an evil tyranical monster.\[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Showing goodwill is always fine.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: thank you ..[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: And then, phase #2: do a larger rebuilding, if that's the wish.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Moon's turn [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Moon?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkRed:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3bb0gzd9]: RL lunch. sorry.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: consider also that the change of layout would allow us to alter the public/private proportion of land/builds/prims, which has been discussed often, i believe[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: good point[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: well, we can do and have done that already[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa nods[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: consider the addition of the School[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: where 2 residences were before[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: indeed Sudane[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: its a natural evolutionary process, just like in RL[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: and the partial merging of plots on requests of buyers[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: but nevertheless it can be done in a more comprehensive way[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][i:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with all that.[/i:3bb0gzd9][/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: which also includes the preservatio on one's historic buildings etc[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: as long as we are flexible, the city *will evolve like that anyway[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: okay we need to wrap up #2 ... let me ask the audience this question then[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: do you agree that for now it will be sufficient to make the changes that have been made possible by the new holes in the city and any more radical changes must be discussed in the longer term subject to resources and benefits and does not come from a ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: ... concern of being "sued" over DMCA claims?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Teal:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jon Seattle[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Olive:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Justice Soothsayer[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Aye, I do agree (obviously)[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes here as well[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I'm glad we're able to reach consensus on these tricky issues...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: terraforming ...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: is #3 on the agenda[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: that was unanimous i think[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: is it necessary?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: no[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: is it feasible?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I wouldn't mind a gentler slope. Necessary, though? Probably not.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think it's a "phase 2" question.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i would say desireable, intensely difficult, and likely not feasible[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Depends on the amount of time spent on it. Which has costs. But feasible? Everything is feasible in SL [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: but i woudl like to see it investigated[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=RoyalBlue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Jonty Peel[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I agreee Pel[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Dianne sounds about right[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i don't think it is necessary, unless there is a general will to it.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I would think that if we change the terraform, we will be effecting everyone. We don't really want to change the layout just because[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: The advantage in gentler slopes within the sim is that of providing more saleable space[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Let's all agree it's a massive phase 2 project.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the thing to keep in mind also is that it was based on the layout from Anzere which is Linden protected land ... and can be considered to be in the public domain ..[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I thought ease of tacking on another sim was also a consideration[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: it is[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: (and possibly whether your head is up in the clouds all the time)[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: ah very good point Diderot[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Diderot... that is a very interesting argument...[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: the main bother i have with our current layout is merely the strange demands it willmake on adjoing a new sim[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: can't we always just raise the water level too?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: other than that i dont care[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Dianne, are some sides better than others, or are they all pretty much difficult?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: a proposal for tacking on another sim and for reconstructing that side could be tendered simultaneously[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: as a newer resident, the unusual character of the place was an attraction...there are so many places with gentle slopes...and i like gentle slopes too, but I like the character of this place....[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Blue:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think I initialized riased the terraforming issue as I didn't know it was LL not Ulrika's work[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: There is also the possbility of those (what are they called) sparse surronding sis.[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: its a complicated wuestion[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3bb0gzd9]: sims[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Purple:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Traxx Hathor[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Kaz, all sides have major problems[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i suggest we form a sub committe or somethign[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes I think we're more or less agreeing that it might be feasible/desirable .. but that we need to carefully consider the disadvantages .. and that it's certainly not necessary from an IP stance?[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SlateGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Moon Adamant[/b:3bb0gzd9]: i agree though that the changes envolved by re-terraforming are massive and should be contemplated on a posterior phase[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: to look into it and present a report[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=SeaGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Garnet Psaltery[/b:3bb0gzd9]: afk[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: Dianne's suggestions is a good one .. maybe the guild or the RA can look into forming a committee of mining engineers [/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: hehe[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=YellowGreen:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3bb0gzd9]: It sounds good =[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DarkOrange:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3bb0gzd9]: afk[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Indigo:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Sudane Erato[/b:3bb0gzd9]: yes... a smaller comm would be good[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3bb0gzd9]: committee sounds good[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Red:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3bb0gzd9]: well its really a technical question[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=Green:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Dnate Mars[/b:3bb0gzd9]: I think we should table the terriforming issue, it has no effect in regards to DMCA[/color:3bb0gzd9]
[color=DimGray:3bb0gzd9][b:3bb0gzd9]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3bb0gzd9]: is anyone opposed to my summary of item #3 as being "maybe desirable, difficult, not necessary for IP but we can look into it in relation to the sim expansion"?[/color:3bb0gzd9]

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:08 am

[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i agree[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I agree with dnate[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: though it is point 5, i offer myself to help on that, as on anything that involves building and layout [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: great Moon![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I agree with MDiddy.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: agreed[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Agreed as well.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i agree with that, diderot[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: MDiddy?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: agree[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes Diderot[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: (my secret life as a hip hop MC revealed in public)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe... your proposition was a negative[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: ROFL[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: lol[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: haha[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: (that's my artist name)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: okay thanks people for your facilitation .. let's move on to #4 ...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Diderot...he's like P-Diddy (Sean Combs) to me.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we need to get you a rap outfit diderot[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: lol Dianne[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Diderot: agreed on your summary of #3[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe .. I'm game ... I think baggy pants might cover my behind nicely[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: thanks Kaz [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: #4 is should we change or liberalise the current architectural theme[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: for the current sim that is[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I think again, the theme is what brought people here[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Salzie ? would you like to give out your suggestion?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: the housing with basic account and the small plots was what brought *me* here [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: though the theme was kinda cute[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i am afraid i don't agree with you Dnate - teh uniformity of style brought people, and the community[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Keeping it provides a sense of history and continuity. We can go theme crazy on new land.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I cmae because of the theme and the unity of the sim[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: agree...not somuch that i'm into medieval, but it was very unique, and it was the collective experiment, other approach to design...agree with pelanor[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I came for the democracy. : )[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: It's like France after the revolution. We keep Versailles but cut the heads off.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: : )[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i came for the beer [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Dianne ... I seem to recall you having an argument against retaining the current theme?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: heee[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: As said before, I personally don't like the 'style', but it sort of 'grows' into you...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: lol Pelanor[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: does grow on you[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well i was in favour of a complete wipe yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but i have since rethought[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i think we need to change a bit[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but i am not sure we have to codify the change at all[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: it is one of things which makes us unique[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: city-provided housing to fit the theme was also nice[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: which presupposes *some* theme[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: in the first place[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: that's a good point[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: certainly i agree that the medieval theme and the general layout should stay[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i am not so sure of always being the bavarian city[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i do agree with Dianne that we need to change - more of evolution on teh theme[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: especially with kendras rights[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: to that part of it[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and her probably doing the same thigin[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I'd like a polished version of this style on this sim, and serious thought toward how the transition would look when a second sim with a different style is placed beside this one.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: only better where she is now[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Kendra's rights to what .. Bavaria? [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i liked the challenge i had read on the website about blending medieval with modern in places...for example, I love the MoCA[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: ah yes Traxx[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well no legal rights[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: she did the whole vbavarian thing so well[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I agree with moon, perhaps another version of a mideval city?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and it jsut doesnt make sense to me[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Port Neualtenburg currently has just 3 Fachwerks, and a shopping mall (post.modern style)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: to be a second rate imitation[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: of that[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: We could call it Austrian or Swiss and it might look very similar.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: now that she is gone[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and doling that elsewhere[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Swiss might be nice[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I think our quality is superior actually[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Appenzeller style or something[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we cna be german still[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we can reinvent a style[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i am jsut thinking that the kitschy bavarian stuff[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: good thought[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: no one does it like her[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: sriously[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: based in this style[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: reinventing[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I like the Swiss idea[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: lol, Traxx, we share some neurons, i see [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: : ))[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Bern? [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: lets go Canadian! [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Wheat:1jq9wkyd][i:1jq9wkyd]Neualtenburg Chicken Hat v2.0: Neualtenburg Animated Chicken Hat[/i:1jq9wkyd][/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Wheat:1jq9wkyd][i:1jq9wkyd]Neualtenburg Chicken Hat v2.0: Commands: cluck, crow, dance, mute, help[/i:1jq9wkyd][/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: woodlands yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: It's the kitschiest city in the whole of Switzerland.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: meidieval canada[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: The Bavarian theme is a huge attraction for me[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: what's a medieval Canadian city look like? wigwams?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=RoyalBlue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jonty Peel[/b:1jq9wkyd]: We could go Italian as well like Siena[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: And Bern ? the convention of Bern for IP rights ? all apprpriate [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well i like the idea of keeping what we havve[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: or portuguese like Lisbon's old quarters lol[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but including other european things[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: some of our houses are like tudor[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hehe ... so what I hear you as saying is that the general architectural theme is fine but we might want to change the cultural associations to something other than kitschy bavarian while staying within a compatible / comparable architectural style?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: the thing is: medieval is not exclusive of bavarian style[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: some are like french medieval[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: etc.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Why can't other themes go into new sims?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hmmm... but the uniformity of style was a good thing... allowing too many influences is... meh[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: (laughs at the idea of Mideval Candada.. Longhouses!)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes, we're already a significant blend[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: indeed, Diderot[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we will still be bavarian[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: inthat the names will be german and so on[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: OOps. sorry, I had the idea of basing things on a diferent medieval city - Esslingen a.n. - wich is actual Swabisan[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and we can still have octoberfest etc.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=RoyalBlue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jonty Peel[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Italian would aslo tie in with the proposed Roman sim[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but also more[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: agree that there is something valuable about leaning towards unity of style...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i stand for covenant and uniformity[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hmm ... it seems to me that switching to say Swiss or Tudor or Swabisan but insisting on keeping Oktoberfest and lederhosen is a bit contradictory no?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: As long as it's not too unified -- that looks artificial[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: as long as a build looks good, should there be any real restrictions?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: At least inside the city walls[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: about bavarian, i still sy it can be re-invented... it can hmmm 'grow up'[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well if we stick with bavarian[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we can have octoberfest[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: We can do a "geramanic medieval" theme with the best of all and very similar.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but if we also include others[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes we're talking inside the city walls here predominantly[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we cna have a french revolution party[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: or a guy fox day party[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Swabia is the Black Forest region of Germany[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and a lead-cows-to-summer-meadow party [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we can have it all! [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: \also has moutains and such[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: for Appenzeller Swiss style[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and the same type of architecture[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hmm .. Dianne so what implications would such a liberalisation have on the arcitectural theme within the walls?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Having lived on a Cree reservation in Canada, I would submit to you that it's a massive rebuild, sparsely populated and Oktoberfest would be a bad idea. [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: couldnt think of a swiss party sorry[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: when i first arrived i walked every path here. i haven't done that many places in SL. i like the cows party [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Cyan:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Clocks. Beer. Uhm. Chocolate. Neutrality.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well i would say we are just "meideval"[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: that would cover a covenant[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Olive:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Justice Soothsayer[/b:1jq9wkyd]: bank secrecy[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we seem to have drifted off topic again....[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Hmm[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but medieval Spanish for example?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Slightly, yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and everythign woudl look much the same[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: or medieval Arabic?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Diderot ? totally different.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well i dont think we can decide right now[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but if the convenant is not too restrictive[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we cna just see what happens[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: medieval european[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: the question is which kind of latitude we want to give people in choosing a theme to build inside the walls[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i woudl say[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I tend to agree with Dianne... I would keep a more restricted covenant just inside the city walls anyway...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: let the guild deside[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i do think that we're discussing really about teh need to evolve the style[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes it is a big issue[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: to change teh covenant[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes, agree. that's a strength. restricted more in walls.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: needs more than us here today[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I honestly like what we have.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i like what we have too[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i am just saying we can add a bit here and there[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: IMO[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i do too. that's why i am here[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Right, loosen outside the walls. Go wild on new lands.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I like what we have as well, if you want modern, build ouside the walls[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: does anyone here feel that loosening the architectural theme to not be simply Bavarian medieval but be broadly medieval would mean we'd lose something?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=RoyalBlue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jonty Peel[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I would like to stay as we are and allow it to evolve with new builders[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yep[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: outside walls was already loose seemed to me[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: oh, Pelanor, i like what we have now - becuase now we have a lot of buildings that are already evolved[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: It was, Cyber.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: eep[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I general mideval town might have some interesting eccletic elements. whould it ruin the aesthetic consistancy[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=RoyalBlue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jonty Peel[/b:1jq9wkyd]: A lot of the style was Ulrika/Kendra[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkRed:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Claude Desmoulins[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Inside the walls looks more organic now with a variety of Fachwerk designs.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and a lot of that is now gone[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: let me re-state my question[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: exactly Claude - more diversity[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes, i appreciate all the new Fachwerks.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: if we were to loosen the theme to be "broad medieval" rather than "Bavarian/Germanic medieval" inside the city walls .. does anyone feel that would be a bad idea?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: the look will also change when the market is sold[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Bad idea[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: that would be great![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: not sure.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: as it alreday is that way[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Garnet + Dnate please elaborate?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I like it![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Unpick all the threads we lose the whole garment[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hmmmm, i'd say yes, if covenant and guld approval would still aplly[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: "Broad medieval" is too broad.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I worry we'll have a welsh castle next to a mosque next to a half-timber beerhaus.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i think broad medieval is also too broad[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I agree with Gwyn[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Indeed, Pelanor.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][i:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa too[/i:1jq9wkyd][/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I agree, I woudl state medieval based on Southern German medieval citys[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: may i restate my thought sucinctly?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: go ahead Dianne[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Perhaps, northern european then?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: that woudl include Rothenburg, Esslingen, Frieburg, Trigurg, etc.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: agree that it would be better to constrain medieval more[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: my main concern is net october[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we have an octoberfest[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: that is lame[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and Kendra and ulrika have one that is fabulous[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: weren't they always? [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: it will jsut make us look silly[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: like a pale shadow[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: of their idea[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i would jut like to see some freedom to change[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: ah, good point Dianne[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: if we feel we need to[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: good point. wasn't aware of that.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: But we have now our secret weapon, Dianne [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: not an edict for change[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: haven't yet thouight of that[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: just the freedom to do so if we want[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Ah, but if we could do it *better*, ahh..[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hadn't*[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: hmm I must admit I really don't give much thought to what they intend to do .. we need to stop comparing ourselves to these persons if we want to be free of their influence in my opinion[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: The secret weapon is our new PR department [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I second Salzie's suggestion[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: true[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I agree with Diderot!!![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: We could keep Versailles and build the statue of Liberty and the Eiffel Tower.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Purple:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Traxx Hathor[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Strongly agree with that, Diderot[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: you are obviously right Diderot .)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: okay .. so would it be possible to form a consensus within "Germanic medieval"then?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=RoyalBlue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jonty Peel[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: fine with me[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes, ok[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes, as long as it looks good[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Teal:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Jon Seattle[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Yes. Okay.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes from me as well[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i disagree with any covenant that is so restrictive as to cultural events[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Aye here.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but i think i might bbe alone [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I'll be interested to see what kind of new germanic architectural directions this will inspire our builders to emulate[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Ok, Dianne we'll be able to do some varied new theme work soon on the new sim and other lands.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Definitely so, Pelanor.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i do like things the way they are though[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i dont want anyone to think ik dont[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: right . it's my impression that this wraps up #4[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i have grwon to feel at home here[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Before we move, I'd like make a comment[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: actually two[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes ... Salzie please?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: If you look at Rotheburg 's website, they now a 3d model of the city - very cool[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: can you give URL Salzie?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and if anyone here hasn't told Sudane or I if they want a shop, could they plese mention so now[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I will email the addie to everyone[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: http://www.rothenburg.de/ , presumably[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: this is really belonging under item #5 I think ..."what do we need for help and who can do it" [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=MediumTurquoise:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:1jq9wkyd]: thanks[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][i:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn wants a shop since October 2004 [/i:1jq9wkyd][/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: doesnt work with a mac [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Dnate .. did you have any last remarks to make for item #4?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Green:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dnate Mars[/b:1jq9wkyd]: nope[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: oki[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: As you both know, I'd like an office on the platz.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I propose that we go to item #5 then ... "What do we need for help and who can do it"[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][i:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pelanor[/i:1jq9wkyd][/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes... we have everyone who's spoken so far[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: me! me! [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Sudane .. would you be able to give us an overview of the present situation in that regard?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but we've missed some[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: 3D thing is http://www.rothenburg.de/index.php?get=2295 I suppose[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: you mean... What do we need for help?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: help for[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][i:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn just wanted to rethank all the external offers for help we've got so far.[/i:1jq9wkyd][/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: oh yes Gwyn![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: people have come forward in an extraordinary way![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: including our friends from Caledon![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: they beeen such a great ourpouring of support[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: as to what we need now....[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I have to go in a minute but I can offer building, terraforming, and probably other things. Just ask )[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: well... theere are still gapis in things... here and there[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: many little details in roads...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: oh... and streetsigns[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: but if wer're going to change names...[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we should delay on that[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we should produce a new map[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: to reflect the changes publically[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: perhaps the MOST important thing we need right now[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: as well as for practical reasons[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:1jq9wkyd]: I have no problem keeping street names. It's a reminder of things past.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SeaGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Garnet Psaltery[/b:1jq9wkyd]: Must go. Bye all![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: is software work[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: bye Garnet [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: bye garnet![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: erk[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: ASAP, Dianne. We might start from the Linden textures on the maps and produce a derivative work on top of them.[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: bye Garnet [/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Blue:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:1jq9wkyd]: bye Garnet[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: bye garnet[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: software work?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: (bye Garnet, and thanks for coming)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: i can help in building, terraforming, layout, graphic content in all ways (textures, site, etc)[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: we need urgently work on an election system![/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: oh, right[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DarkOrange:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:1jq9wkyd]: elections are mid-July, right?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: as the enxt elections should happen in July[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: and there is little development time left[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Red:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Dianne Mechanique[/b:1jq9wkyd]: what about FlyingRoc?[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=SlateGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Moon Adamant[/b:1jq9wkyd]: about election system[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=YellowGreen:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:1jq9wkyd]: We might have someone to do that, Sudane[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=Indigo:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Sudane Erato[/b:1jq9wkyd]: he told me he has gotten started[/color:1jq9wkyd]
[color=DimGray:1jq9wkyd][b:1jq9wkyd]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:1jq9wkyd]: yes Moon?[/color:1jq9wkyd]

Diderot Mirabeau · Post by **Diderot Mirabeau** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:09 am

[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: I think that all street names should remain as is[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Teal:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Jon Seattle[/b:3gil16s3]: I would like to help with that. In world or out?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: but is worried about getting it done cause of RL issues[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=SlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Moon Adamant[/b:3gil16s3]: if we can't make it ourselves, can we contract in the outside?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: I'd think so ..[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: yes... we can ccontract from outside[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: we doing it ourselves is cleraly preferable[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: As long as the creator is willing to release the code for evaluation ? and that we sign an agreement that we won't resell the system.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: ive asked Eloise to pick up Sky Honey's work[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=SlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Moon Adamant[/b:3gil16s3]: kk, i am asking because really can't tell what work is involved in that, as i don't script[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: and continue on the urgently needed land management system[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: and then... we need more help with what Salzie is doing....[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: promotion..[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkRed:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3gil16s3]: We can do election in house. Give me a week without a crisis in world and I can knock something out.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: events[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Promoition, aye[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: Sudane, I'll want to talk to you about that new land system outside of this meeting.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: services for visitors[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: a week without a crisis?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: thats a bit much to ask [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: maybe a hostel?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: hehe[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: it will be very important in the next few weeks[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=MediumTurquoise:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Cyberneticia Cela[/b:3gil16s3]: hostel is great idea[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: Promotions and Chamber of Commerce work now, I guess[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: to attract new residents[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: and a tourist information, kind of thing?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: we've taken a significant hit in our finances[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=RoyalBlue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Jonty Peel[/b:3gil16s3]: I need to go now. I can offer help for any simple building let me know what you need.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: with the loss of Kendra[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: that's fairly conspicuous from the telehub?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: That's true...[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: I have 2 questions that I want to ask before I have to leave, they are more general type questions.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: ah[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: she paid a great deal of the monthly income[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: I remember that the first job I applied for in N'burg was the Tourist Office, lol[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: yes, she did[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: so we need to attract new folks[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: We do indeed.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=RoyalBlue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Jonty Peel[/b:3gil16s3]: bye[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: can we reinvite former members?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: and projects to make the sim more appealing to visitors should be high prioity[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Can we at this point also ask our Caledonian friends about any proposals they have at this point?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: thats my list theres probably more [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: I'm afraid my opinion would only be that - I am here solely as Desmond Shang's ears.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: What can we do together, for instance...?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: And it would be unpopular besides, I fear.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: You think so, Phedre?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][i:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine nods.[/i:3gil16s3][/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Hmm. Care to share why?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: What is our association with Caledon?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: Well, we would invite your opinion, and opposition seem to be par for the course here[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: Dnate you had some questions?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: has it ever been spelt out?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: The builds and the changing layout are going to move forward no matter what happens, but is the name change going to be dependant on the DMCA and LL's actions?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: I've spent several years involved in IP disputes and unpleasantries due to artwork theft.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: Dnate> It is my understanding of the consensus of this meeting that we will initiate the name change in parallel with fighting the DMCA case[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: My personal opinion, after those experiences - you would be best off using this as a chance for a clean break, and using your resources to rebuild, not fight.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Dnate ? first, we should gather a list of names[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: And Phedre ? everybody advises us that[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: its good advice[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Since it also seems to be the common agreement among ourselves, in spite of everything...[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: I acknowledge I have no stake in this, personally. But as an outsider who is reasonably familiar with the nature of copyright and IP disputes - well.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: Start over. Scrap the fachwork. Gather up your talented and make this place anew. You have land, you have the skilled labour.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: We have stolen nothing[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: And I didn't say you did.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: that's probably not relevant should it come to disputes -- they'll be messy nonetheless[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: why shoudl be be bullied?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: i agree we should start over to an extent[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: but scrapping the fachwerks[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: In German there's a saying, "Der Kl?gere gibt nach" - the wiser person gives way[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: we might as well disband entirely[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: It's not a matter of being bullied... one of the things I have learned early on - choose your battles wisely, and learn from phoenixes.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: Not at all, I think, Dianne, ifI may call you that.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: I don't see it as disbanding either.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: You're all fairly close in intent, if not personally close.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Rather, like Petrograd being called St. Petersburg again [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: well i understand the point[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: Right, I'd like to change to put us in the clear, but I don't want them coming after every little possible thing and dictating our Second Lives with threat of suit no matter what. So we change to stay clear and let them know that we won't be messed with[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: I think this could be a chance to make everyone have a deeper stake in this place.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: my original position was to wipe the sime and become nova colonia[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: and i advocated that previous to this latest crisis[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][i:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine nods[/i:3gil16s3][/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: but we are a community[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: hmm[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: I think we need to not just roll over, but place the ball back in her court. Make her press the issue[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: we have te right to continue[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: and folks want to so...[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: we do[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: I think we've reached a stage in the meeting where we're having an informal conversation over the issues ... so unless anyone objects I'll turn off the recorder?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: if we have the energy to expend[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: yes, you do. And I think that you should, but be cautious about how you spend your resources.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: i agree phedra[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: or rather I'll ask Sudane to turn it off[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: I agree phedre[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: Phedre[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: sorry [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: Before you do[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: Please, call me Phee.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][i:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine grins.[/i:3gil16s3][/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: yes Salzie?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: Smee?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: I'm Pel[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: are you a pirate? [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: the recorder should be off?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: Hee.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: okay[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: I have to get going, but, just as a thought, Is there any thought of placing voids between this sim and any new sim to help transition?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: wait Sudane .. Salzie has something to say for the record [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: i will call you "Hee"[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: is that the consensus, that we are done?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: That works.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: After Salzie's last words....[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: Call me anything you want, just don't call me collect.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: I would propose that the moderate of the forums creaete a new section dealing with the rebuilding of th city[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: ... if she hasn't crashed [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: or whatever we are collaing this[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: Dnate it's an interesting idea ... I think it's something that the sim expansion/planning committee might well want to look into[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Ah good idea, Salzie.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkRed:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Claude Desmoulins[/b:3gil16s3]: Voids are expensive. Have to pay 1295 for four of them at a time.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: and then threads for each item[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=SlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Moon Adamant[/b:3gil16s3]: good idea Salzie[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: that's it for me[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: so a City Reconstruction group .. with a thread for each sub-project?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: just an idea to place out there[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: We'll make you a moderator, Salzie [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: yes[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: No! Only the SC can moderate the forums please[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: hehe[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: Did we figure out a name, and did we delegrate some building to Caledon?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: who is presently coordinating the reconstruction effort?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Dnate, it's a good idea if we make enough money from sales ? but voids are prohibitevely expensive, since they're not worth anything for selling land there [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: I must leave now, but I like the idea of the forums.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Diderot: first and foremost, that is a responnsability of the Guild.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: Pelanor .. I expect that based on this input the RA will announce a competition for a new name[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: i think no on both Pel[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: I mean the rebuilding.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: there are great builders here aready[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: tons and tons of them[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: The proposal for a name change is probably the RA's, yes[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: so Sudane .. as the Gildemeister ... would you agree to maintaining such a forum in terms of populating it with threads for each sub-project?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: and a thread on the new forum likely[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: *group ... if the SC set up the group for you?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: hmmm.... just a thought, maybe rename the sim, but call the city (the part in the walls) Neualtenburg?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: and moderated it?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: sure... if that the desire of the community[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: thats an idea[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: hehe interesting idea, Dnate ? but it would be just postponing things.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: The alleged DMCA claim is on the name ? sim, website, groups.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: I like the idea of a name change[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: its symbolic[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: but it is the best of both worlds, at least for now[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: its not a negative[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: with regard to our relations to Caledon I think this is an exciting new avenue which we should definitely explore to the fullest extent ... but it will have to be in regard to tangible proposals ... probably also something for all government branches to[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: So it could be easily extended to parts[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: in response to the DCMA[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: its a postivie note[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=SlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Moon Adamant[/b:3gil16s3]: i can also make a new coat of arms with a phoenix, if you like [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: indeed Moon hehe[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Purple:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Traxx Hathor[/b:3gil16s3]: nice[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: yes![/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Purple:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Traxx Hathor[/b:3gil16s3]: I like that[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: consider .. and of course Caledon are themselves more than welcome to submit any proposals for consideration .. that'd be my view on it[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: well, later all. when is the RA meeting?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: he he ... excellent Moon ..[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: well Caledon is not really a government though[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Teal:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Jon Seattle[/b:3gil16s3]: I like that too.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: What will the Neualtenburg School be called now, Claude? [/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: no offense to the caledonians[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkSlateGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:3gil16s3]: Germanic phoenix[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: but what realtions are we atalking about?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: yes! phoenix[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: None taken. We're fairly amorphous.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: yes Dnate .. it's Tuesday June 6th[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: time?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: 1930 SLT ... whatever that means[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Blue:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Salzie Sachertorte[/b:3gil16s3]: I was thnking of discussing the possibly of appraching Desmond, and others with n sasociation of some sort of themed sims[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Indigo:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Sudane Erato[/b:3gil16s3]: 7:30 PM SLT[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: 7:30SLT[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: What happens on 6/6/6 7:30 SLT??[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Green:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dnate Mars[/b:3gil16s3]: thanks[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: The RA meeting?[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DarkOrange:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Kazuhiko Shirakawa[/b:3gil16s3]: RA meeting[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Red:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Dianne Mechanique[/b:3gil16s3]: its 10:45 AM[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: yw[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=Cyan:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Phedre Aquitaine[/b:3gil16s3]: I think Desmond would very happily consider that, subject to terms.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Ah ok.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Thanks.[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=DimGray:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Diderot Mirabeau[/b:3gil16s3]: right I think we can turn off the recorder now .. I'll set up a group for the "City Reconstruction Coordination"[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=YellowGreen:3gil16s3][b:3gil16s3]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:3gil16s3]: Ok[/color:3gil16s3]
[color=LemonChiffon:3gil16s3][i:3gil16s3]The meeting closed at 10:44 Linden time.[/i:3gil16s3][/color:3gil16s3]