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[quote="Jon Seattle":so412mpp]I believe Gwyn and Sudane are setting something up, and I'd rather they take the lead on it if it is okay with you.[/quote:so412mpp]

[b:so412mpp]*Sigh*[/b:so412mpp]

Then [i:so412mpp]don't[/i:so412mpp] IM or PM me. [b:so412mpp]IM or PM Gwyn and Sudane.
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I really really apologize for even bringing this up.

I really don't like being crapped upon for trying to help.

Whatever.

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[quote="Bromo Ivory":68gsjuzz]I really don't like being crapped upon for trying to help.[/quote:68gsjuzz]You should not feel crapped upon, that was not my intention. I just saw this as a kind of back-door way to bring up the Guild situation and drag the Spiritual Places NGO into it. I would much rather keep these separate right now. I want to see the Spiritual Places NGO succeed.

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[quote="Jon Seattle":1fuiwife][quote="Bromo Ivory":1fuiwife]I really don't like being crapped upon for trying to help.[/quote:1fuiwife]You should not feel crapped upon, that was not my intention. I just saw this as a kind of back-door way to bring up the Guild situation and drag the Spiritual Places NGO into it. I would much rather keep these separate right now. I want to see the Spiritual Places NGO succeed.[/quote:1fuiwife]

Jon - you should know me well enough to know I would not do that - if I wanted to talk about the Guild situation - I would simply talk about it.

And yes, I do feel defecated upon. And a little hurt as you are accusing me of something I would view as unethical or at least questionable.

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[quote="Bromo Ivory":2i9xseez]Jon - you should know me well enough to know I would not do that.[/quote:2i9xseez]I am very sorry then, but it directly echoed what Michel has been saying at every turn -- that my speaking out about IP rights is illegitimate, that NGO leaders should not take positions on issues. It read like another way of making the same point. Perhaps I misunderstood.

If you mean that the NGO should not take official position in support of a specific political faction I would agree. If you mean that SP NGO meetings should focus on matters relevant to SP issues I would agree.

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[quote="Jon Seattle":10pude2b][quote="Bromo Ivory":10pude2b]Jon - you should know me well enough to know I would not do that.[/quote:10pude2b]I am very sorry then, but it directly echoed what Michel has been saying at every turn -- that my speaking out about IP rights is illegitimate, that NGO leaders should not take positions on issues. It read like another way of making the same point. Perhaps I misunderstood.

If you mean that the NGO should not take official position in support of a specific political faction I would agree. If you mean that SP NGO meetings should focus on matters relevant to SP issues I would agree.[/quote:10pude2b]

You did misunderstand and that is more or less what I had in mind. I had not intended on this being a Guild discussion. That is why I created a new topic and called it a "Spiritual NGO" in the title.

I am a pretty direct person, or at least try to be direct.

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[quote="Bromo Ivory":122dxaks]You did misunderstand and that is more or less what I had in mind. I had not intended on this being a Guild discussion. That is why I created a new topic and called it a "Spiritual NGO" in the title.

I am a pretty direct person, or at least try to be direct.[/quote:122dxaks]As am I. I did misunderstand then, and for that I apologize.

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[quote="Jon Seattle":zd095h90][quote="Bromo Ivory":zd095h90]You did misunderstand and that is more or less what I had in mind. I had not intended on this being a Guild discussion. That is why I created a new topic and called it a "Spiritual NGO" in the title.

I am a pretty direct person, or at least try to be direct.[/quote:zd095h90]As am I. I did misunderstand then, and for that I apologize.[/quote:zd095h90]

Thanks, Jon. And I apologize as well for losing my temper. :)

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[quote:21p9hbea]I am very sorry then, but it directly echoed what Michel has been saying at every turn -- that my speaking out about IP rights is illegitimate, that NGO leaders should not take positions on issues. It read like another way of making the same point.[/quote:21p9hbea]

Another utterly paranoid statement of an individual wholly unable to distinguish between freedom of speech and ethical conduct of a public official. Even worse than your failure to see the difference between legal and party political issues.... how very disheartening of our (still acting!) Guild Secretary and (newly-elected) RA member....

For the record, I NEVER said that your "speaking out about IP rights is illegitimate, that NGO leaders should not take positions on issues". I DID say that given your official position as Guild Secretary, your words and actions should conform to certain rules of fairness, equity, respect for other people's rights and contributions, and certain ethical and deontological principles accepted by any respected professional organisation. Ah yes - and that you shouldn't put yourself in such an obvious conflit of interest situation as being Guild Secretay (real, resigned, acting or otherwise) while at the same time running (or being a member of) the RA.

Maybe if I'll do a RAW file for you mapping out these issues and how they interrelate and differentiate you'll manage to finally understand....

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Post by Patroklus Murakami »

Michel

Your latest contribution has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. It just serves to prolong a conflict that Jon and Bromo have settled between themselves. You're now bringing the issue of what could/could not be discussed at the last Guild meeting directly in and this is going to derail the thread.

Carry on with the discussion of a 'Spiritual NGO' by all means. Take any other issue elsewhere (like maybe talk to each other, inworld? Rather than posting crap on these forums?)

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Rather strong accusations Michel. Can you back even a single one of them up? The idea that the secretary of the Guild (who's responsibility consists in mainly arranging meetings of the guild members) has a conflict of interest running for RA makes no sense at all. We have very few jobs that have that requirement.

You are huffing and puffing hoping that making unsubstantiated accusation after unsubstantiated accusation will somehow make one stick. But I think even you know this is all hot air.

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Pat,

I did'nt bring this issue here. Jon did, as you can see from his quote. I simply replied to his mtpeenth personal attack against me on these forums since the elections finished. I do not wish to continue this - but I will not stand by and let someone like Jon jab at me over and over and over again and just turn the other cheek. Simply put, if he stops attacking me I will have nothing to reply to.

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Post by Patroklus Murakami »

This thread is locked for 24 hours until 2pm Friday (SL time). Call it a timeout, cool down or the naughty step :) Whichever way you want to call it, we all need a break from this.

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