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michelmanen
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Post by michelmanen »

LOL! From what I know, your only public position is on the SC. I am not aware that you ever served in any other. Of course, you also run the elections and make sure the system works smoothly. You do an amazing job -but that is an entirely technical issue, not a political one. So, given this, you don't qualify as an oligarch: no cumulation of offices and mandates here. Sorry if I hurt your feelings... :lol:

But hey! - time is not lost! Start and lead your own faction, get elected to the RA, become the Guild Secretary (I hear the position is currently vacant), keep your SC seat - and in two years, you too will be an oligarch! with your birthday - 6/3/2004 - you'd qualify in a second! Good luck! :P

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Post by Beathan »

[quote="michelmanen":3un6ig4e]Sorry Claude. This is a constitutional requirement - not my idea. Each faction must inform the SC 15 days before the start of an election that it has at least 3 members in good standing, and that they are willing and ready to be listed as candidates and be ready to serve if elected. Pick on someone else next time.
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The minimum faction size is equal to three. No later than 15 days prior to the opening of the polls, faction members will report to the SC Dean their willingness or unwillingness to serve in the RA.[/quote:3un6ig4e]

Just in case you're going to go all technical and argue that only one candidate actually has to declare, that is nonsense in the current system. Lets say a party with 3 members declares only one candidate. Given the party vote, that party can well win, as a party, 3 seats in the RA. The constitution gives the faction the right to appoint in the RA two further individuals, even if their name was not on the ballot. Leaving aside the apallinginly non-democratic nature of this system in which individuals don't even have to put their name on a ballot to end up in the RA, the result is clearly the same as if the Party had 3 declared candidates.

My proposal does nothing more than maintain the requirement that each party must have 3 members in good standing order willing and ready to serve if elected.[/quote:3un6ig4e]

Michel -- your position here is ridiculous.

The Constitution requires that a faction have three [i:3un6ig4e]voters[/i:3un6ig4e] not three candidates. What part of "willingness or [i:3un6ig4e]unwillingness[/i:3un6ig4e]" makes you think that all three members of a three voter party have to be willing?

You are trying to exclude small parties from our system -- favoring parties organized on the mass party model CARE favors. Frankly, many of us prefer small parties.

Oh -- and Michel -- your proposal is not a lightning rod because it comes from you. Your proposal is a lightning rod because it is a bad idea. The fact that your ideas tend to draw opposition has more to do with the lack of quality of your ideas than with your person.

Beathan

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Post by Dnate Mars »

[quote="michelmanen":3kbqbdec]LOL! From what I know, your only public position is on the SC. I am not aware that you ever served in any other. Of course, you also run the elections and make sure the system works smoothly. You do an amazing job -but that is an entirely technical issue, not a political one. So, given this, you don't qualify as an oligarch: no cumulation of offices and mandates here. Sorry if I hurt your feelings... :lol:

But hey! - time is not lost! Start and lead your own faction, get elected to the RA, become the Guild Secretary (I hear the position is currently vacant), keep your SC seat - and in two years, you too will be an oligarch! with your birthday - 6/3/2004 - you'd qualify in a second! Good luck! :P[/quote:3kbqbdec]

FR was an RA member and helped move the MPP to the DPU.

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Post by michelmanen »

There you go! I didn't know that! Thanks, Dnate!

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Post by Claude Desmoulins »

When I saw this, I read this proposal to mean that three members of a faction would have to declare themselves as RA candidates per Article IV Section 2 in order for a faction to be able to participate in the general election. If that is the case, it excessively penalizes smaller factions.

If not, I think you wanted the word members rather than candidates to square with existing constitutional language, though you are correct that current succession procedures are such that any faction member might at some point sit on the RA, depending on how events turn.

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