[10:10] Moon Adamant: ok guys
[10:10] Moon Adamant: let's start
[10:10] Moon Adamant: agenda is
[10:11] Moon Adamant: Alpine Meadows
[10:11] Moon Adamant: Schloss
[10:11] Moon Adamant: Oktoberfest
[10:11] Moon Adamant: Monastery
[10:11] Moon Adamant: also, elections must be scheduled for faculty soon, seeing we are nearing the 6 months
[10:12] Moon Adamant: i have one request
[10:12] Moon Adamant: let's try to be quick today, as i need to go out and buy food
[10:12] Moon Adamant: and it's a sunday evening here, so most things close early
[10:12] Sudane Erato: great 
[10:12] Tanoujin Milestone nods
[10:12] Dnate Mars: k, let's roll
[10:13] Moon Adamant: ok Alpine Meadows
[10:13] Moon Adamant: as you may have seen, i published two proposals
[10:13] Moon Adamant: on teh forums, they're here on teh walls too
[10:13] Sudane Erato: they look great!
[10:13] Moon Adamant: some peopel have already commented the proposals, and i hope more comments and refinements on them be posted soon
[10:14] Sleazy Writer nods enthusiastically!
[10:14] Moon Adamant: at the same time, i hope what's there is useful for the building wgs
[10:14] selena Goodliffe is Offline
[10:14] Moon Adamant: sorry*
[10:15] Moon Adamant: other workgroups
[10:15] Sudane Erato: whats the process with these?
[10:15] Sudane Erato: do we discuss and vote?
[10:15] Dnate Mars: I really like the idea of the double prim plots
[10:15] Sudane Erato: i agree!
[10:15] Moon Adamant: well, as from previous meetings
[10:16] Moon Adamant: financial and bureau wgs need data on parcelling
[10:16] Moon Adamant: and bureau on other issues for writing covenants
[10:17] Jon Seattle: I also like the double prim idea, but I would hope we will have more than seven citizens in the entire sim.
[10:17] Dnate Mars: Do we have a new ETA on when well be buying the sim, since the 15th has come and gone?
[10:17] Moon Adamant: i know that what's proposed is just a sketch, but may help concretizing stuff
[10:17] Dnate Mars: well, yes, I think we would at least double that
[10:17] Moon Adamant: Jon: the parcels can be subdivided
[10:17] Dnate Mars: double prims, 2048 max plot size?
[10:17] Rose Springvale: and there could be trickle down as residents migrate from one sim to another
[10:18] Sudane Erato: i would be happy with just 7 parcels
[10:18] Dnate Mars: It happened with CN
[10:18] Rose Springvale: if i move my office, at least two lots will be open in CN
[10:18] Moon Adamant: but if i went down to all the possiblities on smaller plots, you would be seeing proposals 20 or 30 instead of 9 and 10
[10:18] Rose Springvale: me too sudane... then we can work on the next one
[10:18] Sudane Erato: or else the sim will become a city instead of an alpine slope
[10:18] Sleazy Writer: Sudane > Are you happy with an expansion of only 7 citizens??
[10:18] Sudane Erato: yes
[10:18] Sleazy Writer: crazy ..
[10:19] Sudane Erato:
[10:19] Dnate Mars: well, we just need to start on the next sim as soon as this one is done
[10:19] Sudane Erato: thats why you hired me, right?
[10:19] You:
[10:19] Moon Adamant: well, i understand that the les sparcels, teh easier to manage territory?
[10:20] Sudane Erato: well, yes, i guess
[10:20] Sudane Erato: but thats not the point
[10:20] Dnate Mars: The theme is alpine slops, so that would mean we don't want too many houses there
[10:20] Sudane Erato: exactly
[10:20] Sudane Erato: 7 would be great!
[10:21] Dnate Mars: I was thinking 10-15....
[10:21] Sudane Erato: incl the monastery... or whatever
[10:21] Moon Adamant: that's why i don't like proposal 9 very much either btw
[10:21] Jon Seattle: Though if we keep this up it will change the nature of our community. We would have only people who could afford one of those seven plots.
[10:21] Dnate Mars: I think that this will be on one time thing... the next sim will be much more dense
[10:21] Moon Adamant: i fear that it would be difficult to avoid a certain filling up visually
[10:22] Moon Adamant: well, Dnate
[10:22] Moon Adamant: sims east and west to this one have a good bit of the same hmmm
[10:22] Dnate Mars: well, that is MHO 
[10:22] Moon Adamant: conditionants of this
[10:22] Moon Adamant: so they'll most possibly have to be low density as well
[10:22] Jon Seattle: Dnate, we don't even know if there will be another sim or when. And that would raise the same question about who we want to be.
[10:22] Dnate Mars: I see the next sim expanding CN or NFS
[10:22] Moon Adamant: though the slopes are not so bad to reckon with
[10:23] Rose Springvale: i love this plan
[10:24] Dnate Mars: There will be another sim... before the end of the year if I have my way....
[10:24] Moon Adamant: i must say i am 200% agreeable to everyone wanting to take proposal 10 and subdivide
[10:24] Rose Springvale: but the roads are so nice now 
[10:24] Moon Adamant: it's really just a sketch
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[10:25] Dnate Mars: as long as we have an idea of what we want, we can get on with ordering the sim and starting the process
[10:25] Jon Seattle: It sounds as if there is some support for not subdividing
[10:25] Moon Adamant: exp9 is more rigid, harder to subdivide, what with teh river and slopes, but you can try too
[10:25] Sudane Erato: yes
[10:25] Jon Seattle: Well, lets decided on the double prim issue first.
[10:25] Moon Adamant: hey Brian
[10:25] Dnate Mars: but, is it really fair that in this sim you can have double the amount of prim then you can in the other 2?
[10:25] Jon Seattle: Hi Brian
[10:25] You: Brian
[10:26] Brian Livingston: Hi all
[10:26] Moon Adamant: double prim, i must say, is eminently practical
[10:26] Rose Springvale: its all a matter of cost jon
[10:26] Moon Adamant: from the planner's pov )
[10:26] Rose Springvale: sorry dnate
[10:26] Rose Springvale: you can have double prims in the other two if you buy two lots
[10:26] Dnate Mars: that also means that a 4096 plot in that land will be double the cost
[10:26] Rose Springvale: that's econmically the same thing as double prim
[10:26] Moon Adamant: dnate, i would say that if you payed accordingly...
[10:26] Dnate Mars: but we have a limit of 4096 of land per sim
[10:27] Sleazy Writer: Hi Brian
[10:27] Dnate Mars: (or total in CDS, I forget)
[10:27] Moon Adamant: hmmm, isn't it 4500?
[10:27] Jon Seattle: Dnate, I think the improvement in the landscape for the double prim proposal will be worth it. We will have to sell plots at a higher price of course.
[10:27] Sudane Erato: 4096
[10:27] Moon Adamant: duh, where did i get the 4500 then?
[10:27] Rose Springvale: perhaps the new citizenship plan will help this issue
[10:28] Moon Adamant: ehehe proposals 12 and 13 looming on the horizon
[10:28] Rose Springvale: groups of citizens.. say monks
[10:28] Moon Adamant: but i agree with Jon
[10:28] Moon Adamant: the ability to have the plots floating in middle of the landscape is an added bonus
[10:28] Rose Springvale: i will tell you that i owned a double prim 4096
[10:28] Sudane Erato: the 4096 maximum was intended as a sim by sim rule
[10:28] You: you planned #10 with 4500, ic
[10:28] Sudane Erato: this sim could have a diff rule
[10:28] Rose Springvale: and it held it's value easily
[10:29] Rose Springvale: when i sold, i made 10k.. and only on the market a week
[10:29] Dnate Mars: true, but I also want a few smaller plots so that people that aren't so rich can move in too
[10:29] Jon Seattle: Dnate, that can be done by subdiving or creating a "village" in two or so plots.
[10:29] Dnate Mars: I agree with that
[10:30] Dnate Mars: I think we all argree on a double prim in the sim?
[10:30] Jon Seattle: Moon, shall we vote?
[10:31] Moon Adamant: i must say technically that it offers a set of possibilities that aren't present on a single prim solution
[10:31] Moon Adamant: surely
[10:31] Jon Seattle: I move that we build based on the double prim plan, with possible subdivision
[10:31] Dnate Mars: do we just want to vote for number 10?
[10:31] Jon Seattle: basically, yes
[10:31] Moon Adamant: well, number 10 needs further work then for subdivision, mind
[10:32] Dnate Mars: yes, but it is the basic idea we will be going with
[10:32] Rose Springvale: i'm wondering
[10:32] Dnate Mars: once it is on the sim, we will need to "tweak" it
[10:32] Rose Springvale: if we are planning to do the subdivision as guild, or leave it up to developers?
[10:32] Moon Adamant: so i would prefer that vote would run not linking to 10 specifically
[10:32] Rose Springvale: so that we need covenants
[10:33] You: we are voting on double primming then?
[10:33] Dnate Mars: Rose, I think we will come up with a final plot design
[10:33] Rose Springvale: ok
[10:33] Moon Adamant: Rose, dunno how that would link with the sys for payments, i'd like to hear Sudane on that
[10:33] Jon Seattle: Rose, we have no provision for renting or such at the moment. I suppose we could do re-sales but those have not yet allowed subdivisions.
[10:33] Dnate Mars: actually, we forbid sub-leasing
[10:33] Rose Springvale: well, new sim, new ideas....
[10:34] Sudane Erato: yes
[10:34] Rose Springvale: and subdivision
[10:34] Dnate Mars: for the most part
[10:34] Moon Adamant: but subdivision may be hmmm
[10:34] Moon Adamant: contemplated in the covenants
[10:34] Dnate Mars: I think we should call a vote on the double prim idea
[10:34] Moon Adamant: for thsi sim specifically
[10:34] Jon Seattle agrees with Moon
[10:35] Sudane Erato: well, its not subdivision if we set it up nnow
[10:35] Jon Seattle: Moon, Dnate seconds the motion I think 
[10:35] Moon Adamant: what i would like to know is that if the payment sys needs a fixed frame
[10:35] Sudane Erato: we are only subdividing a parcel on a plan...
[10:35] Sudane Erato: not a parcel already in existence and owned by someone
[10:35] Rose Springvale: okay. if we are serious about the "not so rich" we really shojuld consider renting
[10:35] Jon Seattle: Sudane, Rose was suggesting we could leave subdivision to private developers
[10:36] Sudane Erato: if by private developers, we mean owners..
[10:36] Rose Springvale: just like in rl, subject to approval of plans, etc
[10:36] Rose Springvale: yes
[10:36] Jon Seattle: Rose, that is not a guild issue, though it could vote to suggest it.
[10:36] Rose Springvale: but then the issue of renting comes up. too complicated for this discussion
[10:36] Sudane Erato: then I would be against that for admin reasons... makes the job mucjh more complex
[10:36] Jon Seattle: Are we going to vote on double prims?
[10:36] Rose Springvale: i think jon is calling the vote moon
[10:36] Jon Seattle: I would be against renting as well.
[10:36] You: i hear you, Sudane
[10:36] Moon Adamant: yes lol, recalling everyone that supermarkets close early in portugal on a sunday evening
[10:36] Rose Springvale: lol
[10:36] Moon Adamant: yes, let's vote
[10:37] Sudane Erato: poor Moon
[10:37] Sudane Erato: I support #10
[10:37] Jon Seattle: I suppoer #10
[10:37] Jon Seattle: *support
[10:37] Dnate Mars: I vote for double prims
[10:37] You: and i vote aye to the double prim idea
[10:37] Rose Springvale: i support double prims as laid out in number ten and tweaked for further development
[10:37] Moon Adamant: all agreeable to a double prim plan for Alpine Meadows, possibly based on exp10 but with smaller parcels, do vote aye
[10:37] Jon Seattle: aye
[10:37] You: aye
[10:37] Rose Springvale: aye, but dont' need smaller parcels
[10:38] Sudane Erato: yes!... (never quite sure what "aye" means)
[10:38] Sleazy Writer abstains
[10:38] Moon Adamant: yes, i think
[10:38] Brian Livingston abstains, but does like the idea of double prim plots
[10:38] Moon Adamant: and i vote aye as well, feel free to tweak it round, it's there just for that
[10:38] Sudane Erato: but i too don't think we need smaller parcels
[10:39] Moon Adamant: may i suggest the following?
[10:39] You: well, the parcels are now not legal, because they are bigger than 4096...
[10:39] Moon Adamant: why don't you propose a smaller parcel plan?
[10:39] You:
[10:39] Sudane Erato: no!
[10:39] Sudane Erato: the 4096 rule is for each sim locally
[10:39] Dnate Mars: I like plots 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 as they are
[10:40] Rose Springvale: tan, .. yes, what sudane said
[10:40] Sudane Erato: and it could be set differently foir each sim
[10:40] Dnate Mars: 5 and 6 I think could be tweeked
[10:40] Brian Livingston: Oh, is therean updated plot map out?
[10:40] You: ah, ok, i was staring at parcel 3 sorry
[10:40] Sleazy Writer: Dnate > 5 + 6 + 7 are well places, because they have their "back" against the "boring" NFS city wall
[10:40] Jon Seattle: A village environment in 5 and 6 would help I think.
[10:40] Moon Adamant: lol Brina, on the wall
[10:40] Sleazy Writer: well placed
[10:40] Brian Livingston: Oh... hehe...
[10:40] Moon Adamant: Brian*
[10:40] Jon Seattle: Sleavy, CN side
[10:41] Sleazy Writer: oops
[10:41] Moon Adamant: maps are oriented
[10:41] Moon Adamant: no, Sleazy, to CN
[10:41] Moon Adamant: lol, it's ok, i had actually to turn them round to orient them
[10:41] Dnate Mars: hehe
[10:41] Moon Adamant: easier to think higher=upside
[10:42] Dnate Mars: I think that 1 will be the monastery project land
[10:42] Rose Springvale: i don't like the idea of a higher density village next to the lowe density part of cn
[10:42] Rose Springvale: i think that ruins the nature of the blending
[10:42] Dnate Mars: yes
[10:42] Rose Springvale: that was why i started this in the first place
[10:42] Jon Seattle: I propose we work on a village environment in plots 5 and 6. Dnate, do you second?
[10:42] Rose Springvale: i oppose vehemently
[10:42] Dnate Mars: I was thinking like maybe 4 plots there...
[10:43] Dnate Mars: not a dense population
[10:43] Moon Adamant: well, what would be teh size of teh plots?
[10:43] Moon Adamant: 4 per plot? that's 1100 m2
[10:43] Dnate Mars: I was thinking 1 1024, 2 2048 and a 4069
[10:43] Moon Adamant: more or less, a bit off for an alley
[10:44] Dnate Mars: for both 5 and 6
[10:44] Jon Seattle: Well I would like to allow citizend who can only affort smaller plots to have a change to take part on this development, not to create a community for wealthy citizens only.
[10:44] Jon Seattle: *chance
[10:44] Rose Springvale: then put it next to NFS
[10:44] Rose Springvale: lol sorry, this was the whole point of working on this for me
[10:44] Moon Adamant: hmm, wouldn't that be too much high?
[10:44] Rose Springvale: not to have a village along that edge
[10:44] Rose Springvale: the proposal had something more village like near the lake
[10:44] Dnate Mars: actuall, I was thinking of one of those plots going between the roads and the river, where there is nothing now
[10:45] Jon Seattle: Rose, what is your thinking on that. Why should we prefer NFS for higher density over the larger CN plots?
[10:45] Rose Springvale: my point jon, is that the CN lots are moving away from the urban center
[10:45] Moon Adamant: but Rose
[10:45] Rose Springvale: to put more centralized urban ..
[10:45] Rose Springvale: sigh. fine
[10:45] Dnate Mars: I don't think that we are going to have an "urban" center at all
[10:45] Rose Springvale: do what you wish
[10:45] Moon Adamant: as per Dnate's proposal
[10:46] Moon Adamant: the size of the plots would be similar to CN's shore plots
[10:46] Dnate Mars: Moon, do you have a copy of the map, without plots?
[10:46] Moon Adamant: which are more or less around the 2k
[10:46] Rose Springvale: well, that hardly makes a village of low cost lots
[10:46] Moon Adamant: hmmm, would have to upload it, but i can do that
[10:46] Dnate Mars: It might be nice to allow people to lay out their own plot design
[10:46] Moon Adamant: perhaps the wrong word here is 'village' ?
[10:46] Moon Adamant: sure, i will do that
[10:47] Jon Seattle: I was thinking of say 5 or so smaller ones. Lets us balance the population.
[10:47] Moon Adamant: could we have a group of cottages?
[10:47] Rose Springvale: so adding 3 lots balances the population?
[10:47] Dnate Mars: it would just be denser
[10:47] Dnate Mars: not really a village, like CN or NFS has
[10:47] Rose Springvale: 3 more lots?
[10:47] Moon Adamant: i mean, village makes on think in straight roads, buildings sharing walls, etc
[10:47] Sudane Erato: what you might consider...
[10:48] Sudane Erato: if making this alteration
[10:48] Sudane Erato: is revising the existing parcels in CN, adjacent to 5 and 6
[10:48] Sudane Erato: as they become available
[10:48] Rose Springvale: one of those is the guild lot
[10:48] Sudane Erato: to match the size of parcels you are proposing now
[10:48] Rose Springvale: which will not be used
[10:48] Dnate Mars: Well, I know I am near 5
[10:48] Rose Springvale: isn't it?
[10:48] Moon Adamant: indeed, that one is easy
[10:48] Moon Adamant: yes it is
[10:49] Dnate Mars: If need be, I will change my plot around
[10:49] Moon Adamant: faces plot 6
[10:49] Rose Springvale: lol i'll have a village all around me lol
[10:49] Moon Adamant: You dnate, are just at the tip of 5, yes
[10:49] Dnate Mars: I think rose has 6 and alias has the other
[10:49] Rose Springvale: no, i am in the corner
[10:49] Moon Adamant: no, Rose faces 7, i think
[10:49] Jon Seattle: Well, I am hoping we can get away from the idea that this new development is limited to wealthy citizens only. The feeling I am having is that we want to banish them for some reason.
[10:49] Dnate Mars: oh, right
[10:49] Moon Adamant: we have from west to east
[10:50] Sudane Erato: Jon, I don't think thats fair
[10:50] Rose Springvale: banish who?
[10:50] Dnate Mars: I think we need to table this until more plot designs are done
[10:50] Dnate Mars: (since Moon needs to go)
[10:50] Moon Adamant: Rose's, Guild's, Aliasi's, Dnate's then river corner
[10:50] Jon Seattle: Prople who can only affort small plots, like many citizens in NFS.
[10:51] Sudane Erato: smaller plots in NFS
[10:51] Sudane Erato: its all the CDS
[10:51] Dnate Mars: can we move on?
[10:51] Sudane Erato: larger ones in Alpine
[10:51] Moon Adamant: sure
[10:51] Moon Adamant: or i'll have to go and eat at McDonald's
[10:51] Sudane Erato: no!!!
[10:51] Dnate Mars: (not to be rude, but we still have a lot to go through)
[10:51] You: eeek, whats next?
[10:52] Dnate Mars: The Monastery Project
[10:52] Moon Adamant: indeed
[10:52] Moon Adamant: just to resume, i'll publish teh terrain with teh insertion of roads to ease teh work
[10:52] Moon Adamant: Monastery
[10:52] You: hm, Arria is not here, but i can give a shoort report
[10:52] You: and answer your questions...
[10:52] Dnate Mars: great! Thanks moon
[10:53] You: arria, samantha and me are working on it, the general concept did not change
[10:53] Moon Adamant: ok
[10:53] You: i can offer membership in the builder group
[10:54] Moon Adamant: ehehe i'll pass till i am absolutely needed, i am chronically challenged in groups
[10:54] You: it is still at the sim Beathan was so kind to offer for building, thats all - questions?
[10:54] Moon Adamant: but you know anything i can help, just ask
[10:54] You: hehe, yes, Moon, appreciated
[10:55] Moon Adamant: not a question here, you're doing a good work
[10:55] You: thank you
[10:55] Rose Springvale: is there a recommendation on where the monastery will be located in the sim?
[10:55] Dnate Mars: just a question, how many prims will the project need?
[10:55] Moon Adamant: hmmm not really
[10:56] Jon Seattle: Dnate, the project has a fund, I think sufficent to buy a large lot from plan 10
[10:56] You: Not yet, i would like to ask Arria, because she coordinates the monastery project
[10:56] You: as to the prims - Arria asked for about 1k
[10:56] Moon Adamant: a lot of plots in Exp9 allowed teh monastery, and in a floating solution, it can go more or less where you want to
[10:57] You: yes, i noticed, i will inform Arria and ask her to have a look at the maps
[10:57] Moon Adamant: perhaps you won't need such a large plot altogether, but you can also subdivide for that
[10:57] Dnate Mars: it will need at least 2048
[10:57] Jon Seattle: I'd recommend plot 1 or 2 in plan 10.
[10:57] Dnate Mars: I would go with plot 1 personally
[10:58] Sleazy Writer: I'd keep the river facing plots for buyers
[10:58] Sudane Erato: i think the Monastery people should choose a parcel just like everyone else
[10:58] Jon Seattle: Sleazy, the Monastary project is a buyer I think.
[10:58] Sleazy Writer: true
[10:58] You: hmhm, Sudane, that is right
[10:59] You: can we contact you already with a request?
[10:59] Dnate Mars: that is true...
[10:59] Sudane Erato: and if we indeed fund this with pre-sales
[10:59] Sudane Erato: then they can be the first buyers
[10:59] Moon Adamant: i could agree with that
[10:59] Moon Adamant: since they are already positioning themselves as buyers
[11:00] Dnate Mars: great idea!
[11:00] You: thank you! Would you like a notecard? I hope to meet arria tomorrow
[11:00] Sudane Erato: a notecard?
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[11:00] You: request i do not know what form you prefer
[11:01] Sudane Erato: oh my no...
[11:01] Sudane Erato: we have no plan in place yet
[11:01] Moon Adamant: ehehe a simple IM is enough?
[11:01] You: ah, ok
[11:01] You: relief!
[11:01] Sudane Erato: nor even a clear decision on parcels
[11:01] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:01] Moon Adamant: why don't you do teh following?
[11:01] Dnate Mars: I think she meant once we have a final plan
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[11:01] Moon Adamant: think on what level would you like to have the monastery
[11:02] Moon Adamant: mid slope, up the hill, down the hill
[11:02] You: we prepare for that, ok, and keep it until the rat race opens
[11:02] You:
[11:02] Moon Adamant: and tell that to the people doing the parcelling
[11:02] Moon Adamant: so that it can be tweaked if need be
[11:03] Moon Adamant: and also taht people know that at 75 m high, say, a large building will be set
[11:03] Moon Adamant: ok, are we good on monastery?
[11:03] Dnate Mars: yes!
[11:03] Dnate Mars: next!
[11:03] Jon Seattle: yes
[11:03] Moon Adamant: ehehe
[11:04] You: good we are, ty for the tips
[11:04] Moon Adamant: Schloss
[11:04] You: next is? ahh, my fav...
[11:04] Moon Adamant: reports?
[11:04] You: Samantha provided a complete texture list, it is on the schloss wiki
[11:04] Moon Adamant: oh, great
[11:04] Moon Adamant: i'll have to go and see it
[11:05] You: i will go back and limit the task to a reasonable extend, the interest is low, and i would like to finish it quickly
[11:05] Sleazy Writer: What is the list going to be used for?
[11:05] You: Sleazy, it is to secure public content
[11:06] Sleazy Writer: And the textures itself will be transferred to some repository at some point?
[11:06] You: we said we make a kind of schloss backup, to be able to change the area, if we ever want
[11:06] Moon Adamant: Sleazy, taht is dependent on discussions that are being held at the RA
[11:06] You: i can not force Samantha to put her Textures on a public wiki
[11:06] Sleazy Writer: I see, OK.
[11:07] You: indeed i am grateful that she contributes to that
[11:07] Sleazy Writer: T > sure, or purchased copies
[11:07] Jon Seattle: No, and some of those textures may not even be transferable actually.
[11:07] You: yes, let us collect the data, and see what can be done
[11:07] You: while the
[11:08] You: ip discussion may set some new frames for decisions
[11:08] Moon Adamant: indeed
[11:08] Moon Adamant: in all cases, a discussion for documentation of teh schloss was approved
[11:08] Moon Adamant: and this is part of the documentation
[11:08] Moon Adamant: ok Tan, we'll check teh wiki
[11:09] You: yes. ty. thats the Schloss atm
[11:09] Moon Adamant:
[11:09] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:09] Moon Adamant: thanks alos for posting about it (not sure if you or Arria did)
[11:09] Moon Adamant: Oktoberfest
[11:09] Moon Adamant: Rose, i posted the call for building help and organizing
[11:09] Rose Springvale: i didn't see it.... you all realize we begin on friday correct?
[11:09] Moon Adamant: already with a list of the items that are needed for the general putting up of it
[11:10] Moon Adamant: uh, really?
[11:10] Moon Adamant: why do i have the date of last week in september in my mind then?
[11:10] Rose Springvale: saturday scheduled here
[11:10] Rose Springvale: sept 21 is the opening in NAB
[11:10] Rose Springvale: dont' know
[11:10] Dnate Mars: OMG!
[11:10] Jennette Forager is Online
[11:10] Sleazy Writer: Moon > 'cos that's more logical but not the case!
[11:10] Dnate Mars: eep!
[11:10] Moon Adamant: don't panic!
[11:11] Rose Springvale: rose doesnt' panic, just cries
[11:11] Rose Springvale: quietly
[11:11] Dnate Mars: it is ok, I will panic for you Rose
[11:11] Moon Adamant: lol
[11:11] Moon Adamant: Dnate will panic for all of us
[11:11] Moon Adamant: we just need to book
[11:11] Rose Springvale: no need dnate. we'll pull it together. I could really uses a sign though, or insignia to make banners with
[11:11] Moon Adamant: ah yes
[11:12] Moon Adamant: does anyone have the coat of arms for NFS?
[11:12] Rose Springvale: i don't.. i'm guessing sudane does....
[11:12] Moon Adamant: and Rose, i'll get you the info panels in a while
[11:12] Rose Springvale: k
[11:12] Dnate Mars: I have the Neualtenburg coat of arms
[11:12] Sudane Erato: no... the owl... no, i don't
[11:13] Sudane Erato: yeah, i have that... the chicken
[11:13] Rose Springvale: oh, is that what those lions were? NAB?
[11:13] Moon Adamant: i also have the NAB one, but that's not teh official one
[11:13] Sudane Erato: the lions are Bavaria
[11:13] You: i have a collection of flags and banners from the black shop freebees - is that useful?
[11:13] Rose Springvale: ah
[11:13] You: Rose? all transferable
[11:13] Rose Springvale: i have those tan,I can try working with them
[11:13] You: quick offering?
[11:13] You: sigh, yes
[11:13] Rose Springvale: but that won't make much of an octoberfest poster
[11:14] Moon Adamant: what else do you need Rose?
[11:14] Dnate Mars: who is the keeper of the arms?
[11:14] Moon Adamant: i posted
[11:14] Daedalus Lemuria is Online
[11:14] Moon Adamant: - stall/booths - info on CDS (I have the ones from the SL4B) - a stage (Tan has offered hers) - teleporters to events (it has been suggested that this perhaps should be a specific order from the Executive?)
[11:14] Dnate Mars: done!
[11:14] Moon Adamant: lol
[11:15] Rose Springvale: goods.
[11:15] Moon Adamant: trading goods?
[11:15] Dnate Mars: I will sell protest and anti-protest signs
[11:15] Rose Springvale: i need things to be in booths. something to put up in NAB, something to use for a scavenger hunt since i am pretty suer the trialthlon is off
[11:16] Sleazy Writer: There's a new trader in town, Sigal Rau, but he might need some encouragement
[11:16] Rose Springvale: though there is a swim animation in the river and fee bikes now
[11:16] Rose Springvale: dnate.. executive decision needed.... do we allow free booths or charge?
[11:16] Sleazy Writer: I really like the bikes!
[11:16] Dnate Mars: free
[11:16] Rose Springvale: try the swimmer, it's fun too
[11:16] Rose Springvale: good, i agree
[11:16] Moon Adamant: what is a scavenger hunt, btw?
[11:16] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:16] Rose Springvale: liek a treasure hunt
[11:17] Rose Springvale: to get people to wander the sim
[11:17] Rose Springvale: maybe a collection of beer steins scattered in the valley
[11:17] Dnate Mars: each clue leads to the next
[11:17] Rose Springvale: around the map of the new sim
[11:17] Rose Springvale: so people will see and reserve
[11:17] Rose Springvale: that was the idea
[11:17] Rose Springvale: that is for the weekened of the 29th
[11:18] Rose Springvale: you see them often at christmas time.. iv'e lots of stockings with goodies in them
[11:18] Jon Seattle: Do we have locatond for the even TPs?
[11:18] Jon Seattle: *locations
[11:18] Rose Springvale: the guild ws todecide locations
[11:18] Moon Adamant: yes, we do need a list of locations to set TPs
[11:18] Sleazy Writer: Rose, what about displaying the 3 sim models? with a picture of Moon's real designs above the Alpine Meadows model?
[11:18] Rose Springvale: where to set up
[11:18] Moon Adamant: oh drat, were we?
[11:19] Rose Springvale: only think i am concerned with sleazy is that those are all high prim
[11:19] Rose Springvale: and i want to use our public prims for the booths and festival site
[11:19] Moon Adamant: ok let's organize
[11:19] Moon Adamant: we have booths
[11:19] Moon Adamant: and we have a festival area
[11:19] Rose Springvale nods
[11:19] Sleazy Writer: Rose, you're right, no models then
[11:19] Rose Springvale: valley, platz was the discussion
[11:19] Moon Adamant: and we have a scavenger hunt
[11:19] Moon Adamant: scavenger doesn't need tps
[11:19] Sleazy Writer: what is a scavenger hunt?
[11:20] Rose Springvale: lol scroll up sleaay
[11:20] Moon Adamant: a geocaching, Sleazy
[11:20] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:20] Rose Springvale: got one of those we can give away ? lol
[11:20] Moon Adamant: booths where? at teh platz?
[11:20] Jon Seattle: I hate to suggest anything that adds to Moon's list, but Moon, since you have the autocad, could you do perspective renderings perhaps?
[11:20] Dnate Mars: guys, I have to run
[11:21] Rose Springvale: bye dnate
[11:21] Jon Seattle: See you Dnate
[11:21] Rose Springvale: we'llsave you room
[11:21] You: See you, Dnate
[11:21] Moon Adamant: or do we make an area dedicated to the fest?
[11:21] You: little red riding dnate
[11:21] Rose Springvale: set up on friday or before
[11:21] Moon Adamant: bye Dnate, thanks for showing by
[11:21] Rose Springvale: i'm good with the platz or the vallley
[11:21] Rose Springvale: kendra suggested the valley was more authentic
[11:21] Rose Springvale: i've got an animator putting together a really cute polka
[11:22] Rose Springvale: just have to figure out how to make good on the deal
[11:22] Moon Adamant: do we have a plot at teh valley we can use?
[11:22] Rose Springvale: he wants a vender lol year round
[11:22] Dnate Mars is Offline
[11:22] Sleazy Writer: Rose, just wondering, the expenses are paid from an existing government budget?
[11:22] Jon Seattle: I think Moon and I would offers ours if it would be useful.
[11:22] You: the Valley, is that West Road / Pendaristrasse P450 P440 P420?
[11:23] Rose Springvale: dnate is in charge of waht the government will cover sleazy, but beyond that, i'll cover it
[11:23] Moon Adamant: and Jon, i can render views, but i think they would have to be at least a 3ds file
[11:23] Rose Springvale: to an extent
[11:23] Rose Springvale: most of it will be "free"
[11:23] Jon Seattle: I can make jpgs if you give me a format one of my programs will handle
[11:23] Rose Springvale: once we have a structure in place. it's really about getting together and hanging otu
[11:24] Sleazy Writer: So up to know you've personally paid for all expenses? Great way to do community events .. sigh ..
[11:24] Moon Adamant: ok, my preliminar thoughts on this
[11:24] Dennis Slocombe is Online
[11:24] Moon Adamant: i prefer the valley too, as we can set a tent/stage/whatever we want
[11:24] Rose Springvale: there have been no expenses yet Sleazy, but if you want to talk aobut how i run things, i'll be glad to do that atnother time
[11:24] Moon Adamant: BUT
[11:24] Moon Adamant: that will mean decorating teh platz too
[11:24] Rose Springvale: thus the need for banners and posters
[11:24] Rose Springvale: and a tp
[11:25] Sleazy Writer: Rose, no it's about how Dnate runs things, that he should provide the money that you need.
[11:25] Moon Adamant: ok, Tps are taking care over
[11:25] Rose Springvale: he is doing fine
[11:25] Moon Adamant: Sleazy, sorry
[11:25] Moon Adamant: that must be really discussed at some other occasion
[11:25] Jon Seattle: Rose, I think I can handle the TP, but we need to establish locations first
[11:25] Moon Adamant: we really need to organize the fest now
[11:25] Sleazy Writer: Moon, OK
[11:25] Rose Springvale: so ... guild..
[11:25] Rose Springvale:
[11:25] Moon Adamant: yes
[11:26] Moon Adamant: and one thing we must decide is WHERE
[11:26] Jon Seattle: yup
[11:26] Rose Springvale: if there is room in the valley, lets do that
[11:26] Rose Springvale: then i can put the "hunt" through the city
[11:26] Moon Adamant: Sudane...
[11:26] Rose Springvale: and get traffic for people
[11:26] Moon Adamant: is there room in the valley?
[11:26] Sudane Erato: ?
[11:26] Jon Seattle: Hm?
[11:26] Rose Springvale: and maybe get everyone who wants to to sponsor a stein
[11:27] Jon Seattle: what is ment by room in the valley?
[11:27] Rose Springvale: a stage/tent, booths for a fair
[11:27] Rose Springvale: ?
[11:27] Rose Springvale: yes?
[11:27] Moon Adamant: well, Sudane knows better than anyone else if tehre's room, right?
[11:27] Jon Seattle: I assume you need people to lend land for it.
[11:27] Rose Springvale: i think shes' asleep
[11:27] Moon Adamant: room to hold the stuff
[11:27] Sudane Erato: the NFS valley?... not that I know of...
[11:27] Sudane Erato: there's more room in the NW quadrant
[11:27] Rose Springvale: then perhaps we should just stick to the platz?
[11:27] Sudane Erato: between Nikki and Salzie
[11:28] Jon Seattle: Yes, the prim plots in the NW. I think much ofthe valley land is private.
[11:28] Rose Springvale is lost in NFS land discussions
[11:28] Moon Adamant: that's all valley to me 
[11:28] Sudane Erato: yes, there are prim plots on the cliffs under the walls
[11:28] Moon Adamant: outside of walls=valley
[11:28] Sudane Erato: but they are ng for events
[11:28] You: ah, ty
[11:28] Jon Seattle: Well, if Moon and I and say Jamie lent our land to the project, there would be space.
[11:29] Sudane Erato: Jamie's land is full of builds
[11:29] Rose Springvale: yes, and he's pretty tied to them
[11:29] Moon Adamant: lol
[11:29] Jon Seattle: Most of ours is clear and here is an ampitheature
[11:29] Jon Seattle: *there
[11:29] Moon Adamant: so platz is better then?
[11:29] Sudane Erato: i think so...
[11:29] Rose Springvale: it seems so, given the timing
[11:29] Sudane Erato: everyone can find it
[11:29] You: it is better, if you think of tp....
[11:29] Moon Adamant: oh, no need for an amphitheatre, thsi is quaffing, really
[11:29] Rose Springvale: yes i agree
[11:30] Rose Springvale: tan lol
[11:30] Jon Seattle: Well, the platz solves the TP problem
[11:30] You:
[11:30] Rose Springvale: you did say you were going to do that
[11:30] Moon Adamant: but mind you, i don't think a tent will look good on the platz
[11:30] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:30] Rose Springvale: have you seen what kendra has done?
[11:30] Sudane Erato: true, unless its a small tent
[11:30] Rose Springvale: just a stage with lights
[11:30] Rose Springvale: i dont' need a tent
[11:30] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:31] You: true, but in the city this is done open air
[11:31] Rose Springvale: maybe canopies for booths
[11:31] Rose Springvale: but i'm a bit concerned how that will look around storefronts
[11:31] Moon Adamant: so you need booths
[11:31] Rose Springvale: maybe just open stalls? i dont know
[11:31] Jon Seattle: I should run. Thanks and see you all
[11:31] Moon Adamant: and these will have to be light and looking temporary
[11:31] You: See you, Jon!
[11:31] Moon Adamant hugs Jon
[11:31] Rose Springvale: yes
[11:32] Jon Seattle hugs Moon
[11:32] Sleazy Writer: bye
[11:32] Moon Adamant: ok
[11:32] You: we could fake active merchants, asking the shop owners if they let some stuff in temporarily
[11:32] Jon Seattle: Bye tan, sleay
[11:32] Moon Adamant: anyone has a pre-made booth we can use?
[11:33] Rose Springvale: kendra lol
[11:33] Rose Springvale: she said anything we need...
[11:33] Moon Adamant: eheheh
[11:33] Sudane Erato: yeah... she does
[11:33] Moon Adamant: i can try and make one too
[11:33] Sudane Erato: but she's mad at me right now...
[11:33] Sudane Erato: so I can't ask her
[11:33] You: ah, really ?
[11:33] Rose Springvale: she is? shall i ask her? she seems veyry friendly to me
[11:33] Rose Springvale: and i'm buying her a polka lol
[11:33] Sudane Erato: sure!
[11:34] Sudane Erato: hehe
[11:34] Sleazy Writer: heheh
[11:34] Rose Springvale: its so cute, you guys are going to love it
[11:34] Sudane Erato: neat!
[11:34] Moon Adamant: ok guys
[11:34] Rose Springvale: couples but not all lovey dovey
[11:34] Moon Adamant: so it's all settled?
[11:34] Rose Springvale: umm
[11:34] Rose Springvale: lol nooooo
[11:34] Rose Springvale: i need someone else to set this up.. i can ask kendra for the booth
[11:34] You: hm, stage: for musicians? how many people?
[11:35] You: size? sqm?
[11:35] Rose Springvale: but if i'm gong to be hustling for people to put things there...
[11:35] Rose Springvale: no .. i dont think we need a stage do we?
[11:35] Moon Adamant: i am not very good at hustling people either
[11:35] Rose Springvale: dancing in the street?
[11:35] Moon Adamant: Rose, we don't know lol
[11:35] You: ok, we do not need it
[11:35] Rose Springvale: i can hustle, but i can't hustle and build
[11:35] Moon Adamant: it's you who have to tell us if we're having a live music event
[11:36] Rose Springvale: we don't have anythign from past years?
[11:36] Moon Adamant: hmmm i would bet 5L we don't
[11:36] Rose Springvale: okay
[11:36] Rose Springvale: music is a question..
[11:36] Moon Adamant: i mean, we don't even have the coat of arms
[11:36] You: psst, we are on record
[11:36] You: lol
[11:36] Rose Springvale: i was holding off on booking a concert per se .. and there ns't a good place for one in NFS
[11:37] Rose Springvale: the way CN has been actign i hesitate to scheduel another expensive event there
[11:37] Moon Adamant: which is recenter than the last fest held
[11:37] Sudane Erato: sorry... ... I must go
[11:37] Sudane Erato: bye all ....
[11:37] You: Bye, Sudane
[11:37] Moon Adamant: bye dear, thanks!
[11:37] Sleazy Writer: bye
[11:37] Rose Springvale: Okay. if you guys can get me a sign to promote with, i"ll see what kendra can give me
[11:38] Sleazy Writer: I've got a pack of Dianne's Neufreistadt flags/pennants/shield designs if anyone wants 'em
[11:38] Rose Springvale: we all have those...
[11:38] Rose Springvale: but they don't do anything with Oktoberfest
[11:38] Moon Adamant: i don't actually
[11:38] Moon Adamant: well, but if you can spread a few owls around it will help
[11:39] You: let me summarize: we need no tent, we need no stage, the coat of arms is provided by sombody 8
[11:39] You: (not me)
[11:39] Rose Springvale: tan.. lol
[11:39] You: give me a task
[11:39] Moon Adamant: thansk Rose
[11:39] Rose Springvale: shall we go to the platz? i'm really worried about space
[11:39] Sleazy Writer: give me a task too, please
[11:39] Rose Springvale: is that where it was held before?
[11:40] Moon Adamant: well, Jon could handle teh Teleporters, but perhaps they won't be needed if everything is held at teh platz
[11:40] Moon Adamant: so Tan
[11:40] Rose Springvale: Top, can you make beer steins?
[11:40] Rose Springvale: perfect would be 12 different ones
[11:40] Rose Springvale: full perms
[11:40] Moon Adamant: yes, a good suggestion
[11:40] Moon Adamant: but for sale?
[11:40] Rose Springvale: well, i want to use for freebies
[11:40] Sleazy Writer: the animation is a challenge but yes I can do that
[11:40] Rose Springvale: so not too fancy
[11:41] Rose Springvale: they dont' even have to be animated
[11:41] Sleazy Writer: OK, I'll make them
[11:41] Rose Springvale: feel free to sell an animated one. i'm thinking the set on the mantle things
[11:41] Rose Springvale: good
[11:41] Rose Springvale: thanks
[11:41] You: the built in smoking animation would do...
[11:41] Moon Adamant: what will you do Sleazy, sorry? the steins?
[11:42] Rose Springvale: Tan, i think a nice dance floor would be helpful, just so we can place the polka balls
[11:42] Moon Adamant: and tehre's teh standard drinking anaimation too
[11:42] You: ah, ok...
[11:42] Rose Springvale: no tent, but maybe with lights aroudn. Pleas go look at Neualtenberg..
[11:42] Sleazy Writer: M > Yes I'll do the Steins
[11:42] You: let us go there and look where to place it
[11:42] Moon Adamant: can you do that Tan?
[11:42] Rose Springvale: okay. and Moon, will you do me a poster?
[11:42] Moon Adamant: what will teh poster say?
[11:42] You: i think i can. i need size and primcount
[11:42] Rose Springvale: anyting that says NFS Octoberfest 2007?
[11:42] Moon Adamant: aaah ok
[11:43] Sleazy Writer: beer foam disco party?
[11:43] Moon Adamant: general sign
[11:43] Rose Springvale: okay, size we will work with
[11:43] Moon Adamant: sure
[11:43] Rose Springvale: lol i learned ot make a beer barrel hot tup lol
[11:43] Rose Springvale: tub
[11:43] Sleazy Writer: wow!
[11:43] Sleazy Writer: awsome
[11:43] Moon Adamant: i would say that that structure could be placed in front of teh rathaus, amybe?
[11:43] Rose Springvale: let's keep low prim though, just dress it up with lights and banners
[11:43] Rose Springvale: yes
[11:43] Moon Adamant: with schloss looming behind it?
[11:43] Rose Springvale: and then we'll line booths up from there
[11:43] You: ok, as low as i can
[11:44] You: the prims -
[11:44] Rose Springvale: yes, .. the textures you used on the stagge you gave me would be good
[11:44] Rose Springvale: give it a temporary carnival look
[11:44] You: i can make something until wed
[11:44] Rose Springvale: okay
[11:44] You: who would like to look at it?
[11:44] Mag Greggan is Online
[11:44] Rose Springvale: well, i would. anyone else that can
[11:45] Rose Springvale: noo
[11:45] Rose Springvale: 20
[11:45] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:45] You: ok, i imagine about 8 couples dancing.....
[11:45] Rose Springvale: sorry
[11:45] You: 20
[11:45] Moon Adamant: megaprim?
[11:45] You: +shrug - ok....
[11:45] Rose Springvale: that's what i contracted for
[11:45] Rose Springvale: moon dont' get techie on me lol
[11:46] You: 20 couples....
[11:46] Rose Springvale: we could use the street if we need to, i don't now, i'm winging it here
[11:46] You: how much can the sim stand? I mean, that are 40 persons
[11:46] Rose Springvale: okay. make it for 10
[11:46] Moon Adamant: uh, it's going to be laggy
[11:46] Rose Springvale: if we need more room, we'll put it elsewhere
[11:46] Rose Springvale: i may have my numbers wrong anyway
[11:47] You: who is doing the poseballs?
[11:47] Rose Springvale: alexicon kurka
[11:47] You: when do we get them?
[11:47] You: we should run a test
[11:47] Moon Adamant: guys, i need to be running too
[11:47] Rose Springvale: he showed me the preview yesterday
[11:47] Rose Springvale: go moon. sorry
[11:48] You: see you at the RA?
[11:48] You: Rose, a poka needs much room -
[11:48] Rose Springvale: don't worry tan, it's under control
[11:48] Rose Springvale: i know
[11:48] Rose Springvale: that's why i left space up to the guild
[11:48] You: i need a little more info
[11:49] Sleazy Writer: Guys, I've TP'ed Justus Yiyuan from CN .. he's a RL oktober fest veteran and has the real oktober fest across his door in Munich each year
[11:49] You: do you have a dance comparable? is it like the waltz?
[11:49] Moon Adamant: i would just like to say this, while i am still recording
[11:49] Sleazy Writer: Have a seat
[11:49] You: servus justus
[11:49] justus Yiyuan: ups, hello
[11:49] Moon Adamant: the guild has been around for 6 months
[11:49] Moon Adamant: hello justus
[11:49] Moon Adamant: so we will need to call elections for faculty chair soon
[11:49] justus Yiyuan: servus? Bavarians here?,)
[11:50] You: franconian, Justus
[11:50] Moon Adamant: also agreeable to discuss if the sec elections should occur at teh same time
[11:50] justus Yiyuan: I see;-)
[11:50] Dnate Mars is Online
[11:50] Sleazy Writer: wb Dnate
[11:50] Moon Adamant: but that will be have to be left for next week
[11:51] Dnate Mars: huh... guess moon didn't make it out
[11:51] Sleazy Writer: Rose/Moon > Would it be useful to ask Justus what kind of decorations we should have to make it look authentic?
[11:51] Rose Springvale: by next week, octoberfest will be underway, so no need to hav eit on the agenda
[11:51] Rose Springvale: it would, but i have to go too
[11:51] Rose Springvale:
[11:51] Moon Adamant: yes
[11:51] Sleazy Writer: I don't know if you already have a good idea, . but I wouldn't know
[11:51] You: i will IM you WED, Rose
[11:51] Rose Springvale: ok
[11:51] justus Yiyuan: if it helps i can try to provide some fotos
[11:51] You: Justus, that would be great
[11:52] Rose Springvale: thanks :0
[11:52] Rose Springvale: okay, lets adjourn moon
[11:52] Sleazy Writer: or a Bavarian Schlager webradio station would probably be cool -- right?
[11:52] You: right!
[11:52] Rose Springvale: yes!!!!
[11:52] DanteOsaka Deschanel is Online
[11:52] justus Yiyuan: Tano i dont see what you´re writing because of that sign
[11:52] Rose Springvale: despearately need that
[11:52] Moon Adamant: ok, guys, adjourned
[11:53] Moon Adamant: thanks everyone
[11:53] You: thank you , Moon
[11:53] Rose Springvale: please send me a note with any of that Justuz.. thanks moon
[11:53] Rose Springvale: bye all
[11:53] Rose Springvale: thank you for your help
[11:53] You: the sign? Bye, Rose
[11:53] Sleazy Writer: thanks + bye
[11:53] Brian Livingston: Offhand, does anyone know if the RA meeting is in the rathaus or praertorium today?
[11:53] justus Yiyuan: but how do i get real pictures into sl? Im a total noob
[11:53] Mag Greggan is Offline
[11:53] Sleazy Writer: upload the jpg with the File menue
[11:54] You: you have to upload it, Justus
[11:54] You have offered friendship to justus Yiyuan
[11:54] Moon Adamant: guys, thanks everyone
[11:54] justus Yiyuan is Online
[11:54] Mag Greggan is Online
[11:54] Sleazy Writer: might get resized in a weird way but it should work
[11:54] Moon Adamant: and see you all later
