Commerce Commission Bill

[cleopatraxigalia]

MTs report is not necessarilly HIS opinion.. he was the "secretary" he just wrote what citizens told him .. it is not HIM fighting for what he believes at all.. the "traffic: requirement suggest was Cindy Ecksols.. as a matter of fact.. (arria.. this is to you) and she is in the SC.. hmmm??

please stop using the commerce commission argument against MT.. he simply held meetings, took notes, and passed teh input of ALL citizens on to the RA.. now he is being attacked for what citizens said and he wrote down. You people need to get your act together.

ps. arria told me she wont vote for MT in the SC because of his work on the commerce commission.. ..............and he doesnt have the best interest of CDS in mind.. what a baffoone... he simply took time out of his day to hold meetings and take notes.. we have our business that make our money out of CDS.. the ones we have in CDS we did as a favor to you jerks... so you have the traffic.. they take business away and simply compete with our other shops..

if that is arrias reason for not wanting him in the SC............ she is a total moron.. ok .. my opinion..

but it is mine

I am sure she will be pumped with another reason soon. Whatever. and for me.. i dont even want him to do it ........ I think everyone in office who served last term should be out of office now.. so there.

Jamie went from RA to chancellor.
Gwyen went from SC to RA last term and now is sitting in RA when last term she was in the SC.
its all a incestual mess of a sorority .....inmy ho

pip cant remember his reason for voting against MT, rose can you tell him again what it was please so he can explain it to me.

...........................!!!!

[Patroklus Murakami]

There's a real problem with mixing the 'business promotion' elements of a Chamber of Commerce with the 'policing' powers in this Act. A CoC could be successful in the CDS if it is open, democratic and focussed on supporting businesses. Like Gwyn, I've seen at least four or five attempts at a Chamber of Commerce in SL fail. Most of these have been ambitious grid-wide schemes set up with an enthusiastic initiator who has then had to leave SL for personal reasons. The initiatives have then tended to fail as the scale of effort required to make them work becomes clear. I think we have a better chance because we have a community of creative and cooperative individuals. Our CoC can start small and then grow as necessary. Jon's right to point to the establishment of the New Guild as a good template for success.

Jamie has said that the punitive element of this Act is not currently being implemented. It's difficult to see how this portion can be made to work. We have very few purely commercial lots in the CDS, even the Platz shops are mixed use (you can use the upstairs as a residence according to the covenant). I really can't see how you can objectively decide whether the lots are being used 'appropriately' without massive scope for abuse. At one point my Platz shop was the CSDF HQ; one of them is the current DPU HQ I think. Would that be allowed under this system? The points about non-merchant services (such as advice, non-profit etc uses) have been well made by others. The RA should abolish the fine-doubling portions of this Act; they act as a disincentive to setting up businesses in the CDS. If we want to attract businesses to the CDS or to encourage our own citizens to start their own we need carrots not sticks.

[cleopatraxigalia]

I agree with you Pat!

CDS should not have a rule that can ever make someone of prestige and power in CDS do something they dont want to for the good of the people. It would just not sit well with some. Leave it the way it is. It's reallly fine.

[Rose Springvale]

pip cant remember his reason for voting against MT, rose can you tell him again what it was please so he can explain it to me.

sorry The, i got no clue what this is about. I supported MT's nomination in the SC meeting i attended. :;shrug::

[Justice Soothsayer]

I am suggesting the following for consideration at the next RA meeting:

Commercial Development Bill

- The CDS should devote sufficient resources to promote commercial development, including developing a promotion plan and materials, and a recognized brand for CDS business.

- The space available for commercial projects should include retail as well as services, consulting, or games or performance businesses. Providing space for these other businesses may be attractive avenues of development for the CDS.

- The CDS should use some of its resources to support opportunities for new business development by its citizens.

Therefore under this act:

1. The Chancellor is requested to develop a promotional plan for CDS commercial activity (including retail, services, consulting, or games or performance businesses) with the help of a experienced business consultant. L$25,000 is made available for this purpose.

2. The CDS will set aside not less than 15% of all commercial plots that it owns (either through abandonment or new development) for new business development by CDS citizens.

a. Land under this program would be allocated by competition. Citizens would file a business with the Chancellor who would set procedures for evaluating that plan in a non-partisan way.

b. Citizens winning the competition for specific plots would have the right to lease those plots for a period of six months at 50% the tier rate without having to purchase the plot. Note that this lease does not, by itself, satisfy the requirements for citizenship.

c. At the end of the lease the citizen would have the right to purchase the plot. No business may lease land under this program more than once.

d. If the chancellor fails to find a qualified citizen interested in leasing a plot under this program within three months of its becoming available, the plot may be released for sale.

3. The provisions of the 8th RA's Commerce bill providing for rent surcharges on commercial property are hereby repealed.

4. A charter for the Chamber of Commerce contemplated by the 8th RA's Commerce bill should come before the RA for approval before taking effect.

[cleopatraxigalia]

Justice,
This is ridiculous! Too complicated.. and way too much government control.

a nice chamber of commerce of SL business owners.........
Alexicon
Mizou
Sudane
Rose
Satir
Cindy
Dnate
Naftali
Cynwulf
to name but only a few....there are many more actually..many more

that seeks out new businesses and invites them to come to CDS and invites them cordially is all we need and maybe an advisory council of successful business owners in CDS (there actually are some great sl business owners in CDS that do not sell togas!) to help the people along and maybe some promotions and events for the business owners.. if ppl see that owning a business is not only sometimes lucrative but can be fun! learning to create and market products and services in sl via the COC would be afun "carrot" to use someone elses words...

too much control for a democracy................you are off your rocker
again.

the lovely miss p

(i didnt say the pph word now did i?)

[cleopatraxigalia]

Someone catch me, I agree with Pat. Can I join CSDF now?

[Jamie Palisades]

Justice Soothsayer has posted a revised bill, and I have posted long comments and additional proposed revisions, in a separate thread. http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 091#p12091
Regards JP

[Soro Dagostino]

It makes me a little unhappy that my first post is to be my last -- if my little business space sells fairly soon.

I have not had any business for my practice since I bought the little space [which I did not understand had earning quotients that applied to it]. I have since read the proposed legislation and the older rules. I see that my purchase was inopportune.

I now see that I don't qualify to be in the area without paying what appears to be a substantial price for not being a "merchant."

Have fun.

I'll look elsewhere to find a place to put my little effort at mediation.

Soro.

[Justice Soothsayer]

Do not despair (or leave us), Soro. The RA today repealed the penalty clauses from last term's commerce bill, and passed a new incentive program to encourage businesses, including mediation services such as yours!

[Jamie Palisades]

As I also mentioned to Soro, all parties, including last term's RA and this one's, had intended the definition of commerce to include nonretail activities.
Having access to mediation and conciliation services is a central part of what CDS ought to support and encourage.
I'll look forward to reading the final legislation to see how the current RA has implemented this.
Regards JP