Regional Masterplan workgroup

[Sonja Strom]

Could you use Internet Explorer? I like Firefox too, but find there are some sites which require Internet Explorer because of their design.

[Moon Adamant]

yes, i know...

but running simultaneously SL, Photoshop, Firefox, and several other programs i use like AC3D, Filter Fourge, etc... doesn't leave too much CPU left for IE (which i mistrust also for adware).

[symokurka]

Survey on Sims’ citizens satisfaction and wishes
Is there any Newbie with a little marketing experience who could propose to workgroup a draft questionnaire to be discussed/approved in our next meeting?

Am I allowed to spam a bit our CDS group on this subject via IM/notes?

[Jamie Palisades]

I'm really impressed with the work plans, careful thought and community spirit evidenced here. This is the CDS I came to live in. Thanks all. Jamie

[Salzie Sachertorte]

*post withdrawn*

[Moon Adamant]

Guys, since i really can't fill in Doodle... my availabilities for meetings are:

- every week evening from say 1 PM SLT on, except Mondays and Wednesdays
- saturdays in the SL morning, but i must be off at around 10 AM SLT
- sundays are very tricky because of Guild and RA meetings.

[symokurka]

Guys, since i really can't fill in Doodle... my availabilities for meetings are:

- every week evening from say 1 PM SLT on, except Mondays and Wednesdays
- saturdays in the SL morning, but i must be off at around 10 AM SLT
- sundays are very tricky because of Guild and RA meetings.

Ok for me, but let's hear from US friends

[Moon Adamant]

hello all,

in the sequence of the kick-off meeting for the 4th sim, we held 20 minutes of an informal discussion on masterplan, which Symo asks me to transcript in here.
No votes or decisions were taken, as it was not an official WG meeting.

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[14:40] You: masterplan
[14:40] You: as this is not THE masterplan wg
[14:40] You: i will take no votes
[14:41] You: as in fact, also, Symo chairs that wg
[14:41] You: and also Symo, i would like then to pass you the chair
[14:41] Symo Kurka: omg
[14:41] Symo Kurka: lol
[14:41] Symo Kurka: just a few principles
[14:41] You: lo, it's informal
[14:42] Symo Kurka: in a correct process
[14:42] You: you can even decide to trasncript it or not
[14:42] You: these 20 minutes, i mean
[14:42] Symo Kurka: General MP should come b4 local Sims plans
[14:42] Symo Kurka: as u like nop
[14:42] You: correct
[14:42] Symo Kurka: no problem
[14:42] You: and we have a very sketchy one
[14:43] Symo Kurka: even if GMP can be adapted
[14:43] You: which will be much bettered now
[14:43] Symo Kurka: but it would be better having a clear idea
[14:43] Symo Kurka: of what we want in our future
[14:43] Pip Torok: agree
[14:43] Naftali Torok: i am very much agree with this
[14:43] You: surely
[14:43] Symo Kurka: just to avoid individuals pushing on their own interests
[14:43] You: yes
[14:43] You: you understand
[14:44] Symo Kurka: and tryin to make CDS' interests
[14:44] You: that that will always happen, don't you?
[14:44] Symo Kurka: my personal concept of GMP is quite ambitiuos
[14:44] You: good
[14:44] You: i personally
[14:44] You: approve at 300%
[14:44] Symo Kurka: and will possibly take a bit to develop
[14:45] Bjerkel Eerie: is gmp growth management plan??
[14:45] You: your intention to treat the CDS territory as a REAL territory
[14:45] Symo Kurka: yes mostly...
[14:45] Symo Kurka: i thinks some rules of good planning could work oproperly in SL too
[14:45] You: i agree
[14:45] Pip Torok: agree!!
[14:46] Symo Kurka: even if they need MORE reflection and some adaptation
[14:46] Naftali Torok: lol
[14:46] You: ehehe, we have to meet on those too, right? .)
[14:46] Symo Kurka: yes we do
[14:46] You: i think it was our homework
[14:46] Symo Kurka: another problem is
[14:46] Symo Kurka: that GMP involves MANY different skills
[14:46] You: yes
[14:47] You: we have several of those skills
[14:47] You: but not all of them
[14:47] Symo Kurka: and we are a bit heavy breathing lol
[14:47] Symo Kurka: so i'll try to look also outside CDS if you agree
[14:47] You: oh
[14:48] Symo Kurka: because here we have tons of invisible volunteers
[14:48] You: that's for you to discuss with Arria
[14:48] You: Faculty can have non-citizens
[14:48] You: yes... 'and their name is Legion'
[14:48] Naftali Torok: lol
[14:49] You: sorry, i have this bad ghabit of making quotes lol
[14:49] Symo Kurka: anyway i'm optimist if i feel that i'm not workin in vain
[14:49] You: ok Symo
[14:49] You: let me tell you how the previous process of masterplan went
[14:49] Symo Kurka: yes pls
[14:49] You: we basically did what we had to do
[14:49] You: turned it into the RA
[14:49] You: and said
[14:50] You: 'you have to plan for the future, otherwise you'll have disneyland'
[14:50] You: thus you have a CN cluster
[14:50] You: and a NFS cluster
[14:50] Naftali Torok: pretty tru
[14:50] You: they are more or less thematic
[14:50] You: there's also nea hora
[14:50] You: now
[14:50] You: to be adjoined to the plan
[14:50] You: another very grave issue that motivated the masterplan
[14:51] You: is that NFS was built using cloud height level standard
[14:51] Naftali Torok: long ago i poposed to alex the name:Atlantis.....lol
[14:51] You: and so the current masterplan
[14:51] You: is the minmal way
[14:52] You: to reach the more operative ocean water level standard
[14:52] You: so... we will have a huge mountain
[14:52] You: but we need to have it
[14:52] Bjerkel Eerie: and I would love more of theim!!
[14:52] Pip Torok: and so would I
[14:52] You: and we will have a cluster to the north which is different in theme
[14:52] You: BUT
[14:52] You: which is already at the operative level
[14:53] You: so, easy to expand from there
[14:53] You: and we have a thrid theme
[14:53] You: which we have to fit in
[14:53] You: but in any case
[14:53] Pip Torok: and this theme is..?
[14:53] Symo Kurka: Nea Hora
[14:53] You: nea Hora
[14:53] Symo Kurka: greek island
[14:53] You: think mykonos, santorini, rhodes
[14:53] Bjerkel Eerie: Costa del SOL?
[14:53] Symo Kurka: (s)
[14:54] Pip Torok: ill wiki it?
[14:54] Naftali Torok: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmwhen do we go>>>LOL
[14:54] Symo Kurka: a nice archipel
[14:54] Naftali Torok: yes indeed
[14:55] You: yes
[14:55] You: in any case
[14:55] Bjerkel Eerie: way too many sl tropical isles, we need more naples
[14:55] Symo Kurka: lol
[14:55] Symo Kurka: Naples???
[14:55] You: we are THE experts Symo
[14:55] You: and we have been commissioned this work
[14:55] You: so
[14:55] You: i can't foresee the future
[14:56] You: but you have my word of honour
[14:56] You: that i will fight for your work
[14:56] You: to be respected
[14:56] You: ok?
[14:56] Symo Kurka: hmm thank you, even if i would prefer that ppl understand it's useful, without need to fighy
[14:56] Symo Kurka: *fight
[14:57] You: ah well
[14:57] You: that's the educative part of it
[14:57] You:
[14:57] Naftali Torok: cindy will come in guys
[14:57] You: but i think MOST people understand how important this is
[14:57] Naftali Torok: i will talkl her in
[14:57] You: lol, poor Cindy, we are just finishing!
[14:57] Naftali Torok: lol
[14:58] You: but Symo
[14:58] Cindy Ecksol: lol!
[14:58] You: i personally se ethe Guild not only as a producer
[14:58] You: as an educator too
[14:58] Cindy Ecksol: naftali saw me come online an dtp'd me
[14:58] You: because these things we discuss
[14:58] You: hey cindy .)
[14:58] Cindy Ecksol: but I'll just read the minutes as that is what I had expected to do anyway :-0
[14:58] Symo Kurka: hello Cin
[14:58] You: are useful in people's RL lives as well
[14:59] Symo Kurka: i understand this Moon, but my min gola hrere is to contribute to a strong and healthy community
[14:59] You: as is mine
[14:59] Symo Kurka: *my main
[14:59] You: but to be healthy and strong
[14:59] You: i believe eduucation is needed too
[15:00] Naftali Torok: yes moon
[15:00] Pip Torok: yes
[15:00] Symo Kurka: maybe forced education? lol
[15:00] You: that people understand that planing is not 'a waste of time'
[15:00] Naftali Torok: lol
[15:00] You: that it SAVES time in the end
[15:00] Naftali Torok: indeed
[15:00] You: to make peopel understand that
[15:00] You: is already a huge goal
[15:01] You: ok Symo, i defer to you
[15:01] Bjerkel Eerie: Personally, i don't see that my thinking is relevant to the processes at hand
[15:02] Symo Kurka: Bjer, evrybody can be relevant
[15:02] You: yes!
[15:02] Symo Kurka: which re your skills Bjer?
[15:02] You: everyone IS!
[15:03] Symo Kurka: energy saving?
[15:03] You: i have worked with Bjerkel
[15:03] Symo Kurka: the concept is not far away from planning
[15:03] You: both professionally and in volunteer projects
[15:03] You: and she has huge skills
[15:03] You: exactly!
[15:04] Symo Kurka: no doubt
[15:05] Symo Kurka: k Moon we can stop here if you like
[15:05] You: yes, please
[15:05] You: if you all agree
[15:05] You: i have work to do
[15:05] You: Symo, let's do this
[15:06] Bjerkel Eerie: i see the future as being inheritly different form the past, low prim sims and lower prices will change how things are done
[15:06] You: i'll transcript untill the 4th sim is adjourned
[15:06] You: and will leave to your discretion to publish the informal 20 minutes after
[15:06] You: ok?
[15:06] You: as for this grid
[15:06] Symo Kurka: oh have no secrets
[15:06] You: i will ask the RA about the East-West thingy
[15:07] You: well, as it belongs to masterplan discussion
[15:07] You: it should at least be published in its correct thread
[15:07] You: i can do that if you want
[15:08] You: just say the word
[15:10] Symo Kurka: Ok guys we can adjourn to next
[15:10] You: btw
[15:10] Symo Kurka: meeting on sunday?
[15:11] You: when is the masterplan wg meeting?
[15:11] You: any decision?
[15:11] Symo Kurka: not yet
[15:11] Symo Kurka: alas
[15:11] You: ok
[15:11] You: i have been following what i can
[15:11] You: but i CAN'T load doodle
[15:11] You: and aye on adjourning
[15:12] Symo Kurka: Cindy do you know any other poll system?
[15:13] You: well, our forums have a poll
[15:13] Symo Kurka: ok i'll check it
[15:13] You: please do
[15:14] You: i'll really appreciate it
[15:14] Symo Kurka: ok
[15:14] You: ok guys
[15:14] You: thanks everyone
[15:14] You: i will publish both transcripts
[15:14] You: each on its thread
[15:14] Symo Kurka: thNK You Moon
[15:14] You: as also a resume on the votes
[15:14] You: no, thank you ALL

[symokurka]

I call an informal workgroup meeting for sunday 13th april 8 AM SLT (one hour b4 guild meeting).
I propose to use the sky Faculty's classrooms, if Arria aggrees.
Agenda:
- update on priorities and volunteers' availability
- rough timing goals

[Jon Seattle]

Sounds good to me.

[Moon Adamant]

Great! Count me in

[Arria Perreault]

I call an informal workgroup meeting for sunday 13th april 8 AM SLT (one hour b4 guild meeting).
I propose to use the sky Faculty's classrooms, if Arria aggrees.

I agree with pleasure...
Infortunately I cannot attent the meeting.

[Moon Adamant]

[8:25] Symo Kurka: Ok let's go on
[8:25] MT Lundquist: ok
[8:25] Symo Kurka: Questionnaire
[8:25] MT Lundquist: whats the questionaire for?
[8:25] Symo Kurka: i'll wait a couple more days to get feedbacks on missing questions
[8:26] Symo Kurka: i got some ideas too
[8:26] Symo Kurka: in the meanwhile
[8:26] You: it seemed very complete to me Symo
[8:26] Symo Kurka: i like Moon's idea to explore
[8:26] You: but i would think, as i said
[8:26] Symo Kurka: " looking for an app that allows us eventually to make polls in which people can add comments
[8:26] You: lol, yes
[8:26] You: thanks
[8:26] Symo Kurka: this is quoted
[8:27] You: i find important that people explain why theyquantify things
[8:27] Symo Kurka: i think it could be VERY important to get a massive number of answers
[8:27] MT Lundquist: just wondered what the context of the questionaire is?
[8:27] You: oh
[8:28] Moon Adamant listens to Symo's explaining
[8:28] Symo Kurka: the point is collecting data before starting planning
[8:28] Symo Kurka: objective data
[8:28] MT Lundquist: how does that help build a sim
[8:28] Symo Kurka: which involve needs estimations
[8:28] Symo Kurka: this is not supposed to be useful to build a single ssim
[8:28] MT Lundquist: just trtying to understand the process
[8:29] Jon Seattle: MT you always plan a sim around its expected use
[8:29] You: well, MT... say that everyone says thatlike soccer
[8:29] You: would it help if you built an opera theatre?
[8:29] Symo Kurka: yes
[8:29] Symo Kurka: the point is defining weights for different activities in the future planning process
[8:30] Symo Kurka: and activities correspond to phisical spaces zones
[8:30] Symo Kurka: but
[8:30] Symo Kurka: questionnaire is just ONE of data to collect
[8:31] Symo Kurka: i'll send you the thread where I explain other points, just a sec
[8:31] MT Lundquist: back
[8:31] MT Lundquist: phone sorry
[8:31] MT Lundquist: i take your point
[8:32] MT Lundquist: but we already know the theme
[8:32] MT Lundquist: its residential
[8:32] You: MT
[8:32] You: this meeting is about the WHOLE masterplan
[8:32] You: the WHOLE territory
[8:32] Symo Kurka: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... &sk=t&sd=a
[8:32] Jon Seattle: MT theme for the masterplan?
[8:32] MT Lundquist: and we have infrastructure in ccsds already
[8:32] You: not about 4th sim
[8:32] You: oh
[8:33] MT Lundquist: ok
[8:33] Symo Kurka: yes MT
[8:33] Jon Seattle: this is not about a specific sim, this is the entire CDS teritory
[8:33] You: so you think that infrastructure is enough?
[8:33] You: that that*
[8:33] Symo Kurka: yes exactly
[8:33] MT Lundquist: not for the masterplan
[8:33] MT Lundquist: but for the 4th sim yes
[8:33] You: for all our future needs?
[8:33] You: yes, but 4th sim is not in discussion here
[8:33] Symo Kurka: MT we distinguish General Master Plan from Sim planning
[8:33] MT Lundquist: ok
[8:33] MT Lundquist: my missunderstanding
[8:34] Symo Kurka: We TRY to focus on future needs
[8:34] Symo Kurka: to guarantee an expansion of Sims
[8:34] You: i see Delia
[8:34] Symo Kurka: that matches with a general strategic vision
[8:35] Symo Kurka: of the whole future CDS territory
[8:35] MT Lundquist: yes i see that especially as we are already advanced in our thinking on the 5th sim
[8:35] You: are you?
[8:35] Jon Seattle: Yea Delia!
[8:35] MT Lundquist: yes
[8:35] You: hi Delia
[8:35] MT Lundquist: beathans bill
[8:35] Symo Kurka: Well Mt
[8:35] You: that's interesting to know
[8:35] Delia Lake: hi everyone. i may have to relog. i'm only semi functional right now
[8:35] Symo Kurka: you can either get to expansion with one head
[8:36] Delia Lake: brb
[8:36] MT Lundquist: obviously the order will depend on how fast the guild does the notional 4th
[8:36] Symo Kurka: or with a common decision process
[8:36] Jon Seattle: MT, Beathan's bill defines a specific sim?
[8:36] Symo Kurka: which is what i believe is preferable
[8:36] MT Lundquist: the basis for one to be constructed yes
[8:36] Delia Lake: oope...if sl is experiencing log in problems right now, i'll stay and ask that you bear with me if i get stuck and can't answer
[8:37] You: ok Delia
[8:37] Symo Kurka: now MT can i ask a question?
[8:37] You: i se eyou ll right
[8:37] You: all*
[8:37] MT Lundquist: yes of course
[8:37] Jon Seattle: MT, what theme, and how will it be used?
[8:37] MT Lundquist: to be fully discussed when we look at the bill
[8:37] MT Lundquist: but i guess similar in scope to the 4th
[8:38] MT Lundquist: but not decided yet really
[8:38] You: i would like to hear Symo's question
[8:38] Symo Kurka: yes the question was
[8:38] Symo Kurka: do you want lively sims in CDS future?
[8:38] MT Lundquist: yes
[8:38] MT Lundquist: i think CDS depends on its citizens
[8:38] Symo Kurka: greatthink we all aggree on that
[8:38] Symo Kurka: exactly
[8:38] MT Lundquist: a growing population will be good for CDS
[8:38] MT Lundquist: thats my view
[8:39] Symo Kurka: is Beathan "the citizens"? just to kniow if my place is here
[8:39] MT Lundquist: more views into the mix
[8:39] You: but you want the citizens to spend time at the CDS sims, right?
[8:39] MT Lundquist: citizens are all of us i guess
[8:39] You: not just use them as a My Home location
[8:39] Symo Kurka: ok
[8:39] MT Lundquist: yes
[8:39] You: so Symo's questionnaire
[8:40] You: is to help us foresee
[8:40] MT Lundquist: we want things that attract
[8:40] Symo Kurka: i guess therefore you have no opposition to tje questionnaire stuff
[8:40] You: how our citizens
[8:40] Delia Lake: i want a citizenry that spends time in the CDS sims!
[8:40] MT Lundquist: get traffic like our toga shop
[8:40] MT Lundquist: that has high traffic
[8:40] MT Lundquist: so poeple come and see CDS
[8:40] You: can spend their time in the CDS in a pleasant manner
[8:40] MT Lundquist: some discuss and are interested
[8:40] Symo Kurka: now MT another question
[8:40] MT Lundquist: or the forum
[8:41] Delia Lake: so very often i am the only person in NFS for hours at a time....when i am working from my home office particularly writing, i have sl running in the background
[8:41] Symo Kurka: with all respect your toga shop is lively but the rest of CN is not
[8:41] MT Lundquist: so we need more citizens to increase the occupancy
[8:42] Jon Seattle: Is it a numbers issue only?
[8:42] You: hmmm, allow me to correct your statement
[8:42] MT Lundquist: no not just numbers
[8:42] Symo Kurka: do you think all CDScitizens just want toga shopping?
[8:42] MT Lundquist: we need things that are attarctive
[8:42] You: you need more citizens and useful spaces to increase the occupancy
[8:42] Delia Lake: numbers do not = participation. we have what ...70 citizens and only 5 here today?
[8:43] You: 81 citizens
[8:43] Symo Kurka: now
[8:43] MT Lundquist: but of we had 700 then 50 would be hear
[8:43] MT Lundquist: by that logic
[8:43] MT Lundquist: numbers arent everything
[8:43] Symo Kurka: Forgive me but citizens' need is a BLACK HOLE
[8:43] MT Lundquist: but there is a critical mass i think
[8:43] Symo Kurka: nobody ever explored this
[8:44] MT Lundquist: i disagree
[8:44] You: Symo, can you develop on that concept, please?
[8:44] Symo Kurka: well
[8:44] Delia Lake: a black hole that sucks people into it? )
[8:44] MT Lundquist: theprincess talks to a lot of citizens and visitors
[8:44] MT Lundquist: and she has a good idea of need
[8:44] Symo Kurka: let's say a number of citizens just want toga shopping
[8:44] Symo Kurka: so we build a new sim based on toga shopping increase
[8:44] Symo Kurka: we can either fail or be succesfull
[8:45] Symo Kurka: what will be the next sim??
[8:45] MT Lundquist: no not just togas although they are in theme
[8:45] Delia Lake: events draw people in too. metanomics for instance
[8:45] Symo Kurka: WHO decides if toga shopping is stiil a need?
[8:45] MT Lundquist: but would you design a town without many homes
[8:45] You: MT, the thing is
[8:45] Symo Kurka: i'm not tryin to design a sim her i told you
[8:45] You: we are trying to see
[8:45] You: what the needs are
[8:46] MT Lundquist: yes i understand
[8:46] You: of course, there will always be need for homes
[8:46] MT Lundquist: i was just responding to symos question
[8:46] You: but there will be needs for other things as well
[8:46] MT Lundquist: sorry if we are off the agenda
[8:46] You: as Symo said, we are trying to weigh the needs
[8:46] Symo Kurka: So we make it clear here
[8:46] You: hello Princess
[8:46] ThePrincess Parisi: hello
[8:47] Symo Kurka: we are NOT discussing about CN2
[8:47] Jon Seattle: Helo princess
[8:47] MT Lundquist: hi love
[8:47] ThePrincess Parisi: hello jon
[8:47] ThePrincess Parisi: hi baby
[8:47] Symo Kurka: NOR - hi PP - NOR about CN3
[8:47] ThePrincess Parisi: hi symo
[8:48] Symo Kurka: we are only tryin to focus a method to define correctly future needs
[8:48] You: Delia and Princess, btw - this meeting will be transcripted
[8:48] ThePrincess Parisi: i know
[8:48] Symo Kurka: which go far beyoond CN2 and CN3
[8:48] Delia Lake: ok. hi Prin
[8:48] ThePrincess Parisi: i understand so what is the main goal, have you established a mission, a main goal?
[8:49] ThePrincess Parisi: im butting in im sorry
[8:49] Symo Kurka: I REPEAT. we are NOT discussing about CN2, NOR about CN3
[8:49] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean the main goal for the master plan of CDS
[8:49] Moon Adamant nods
[8:49] ThePrincess Parisi: to have what? visitors or citizens
[8:50] Symo Kurka: the main goal of masterplan is a wide agreement on how to develop in the future
[8:50] Symo Kurka: is that enough?
[8:50] ThePrincess Parisi: but what is the main goal.. you dont knwo what to do or how until you know where you are going
[8:50] ThePrincess Parisi: NO
[8:50] ThePrincess Parisi: its not even close
[8:50] ThePrincess Parisi: jon, explain mission plese
[8:50] Jon Seattle: I hope we can have both citizens and visitors
[8:50] Symo Kurka: do YOU know where 100 CDS citizens are goin?
[8:51] Jon Seattle: Princess, what do I have to do with it?
[8:51] ThePrincess Parisi: but visitors are not more important than citizens
[8:51] You: Princess
[8:51] ThePrincess Parisi: only that i know u understood what i was asking
[8:51] You: the goal of any wll made plan
[8:51] You: is to attract both visitors and citizens
[8:51] You: providing a qaulity experience to all
[8:51] You: quality*
[8:52] You: correct, Symo?
[8:52] ThePrincess Parisi: we are moot with visitors and no citizens, no community makes itself for its vacatiners and not its residents
[8:52] Symo Kurka: correct Moon
[8:52] You: as we have been discussing till now
[8:52] MT Lundquist: whats the definition of a quality experience and for who?
[8:52] You: well MT
[8:52] Symo Kurka: oh do you have one MT?
[8:52] Jon Seattle: Well, the idea I think is to pool the citizens
[8:53] Delia Lake: and have the CDS be a place to which people want to return again and again, become members and contribute to building the community here
[8:53] Jon Seattle: *poll
[8:53] You: how many of your time inworld do you spend at the CDs?
[8:53] ThePrincess Parisi: I do
[8:53] You: 50%? 70%?
[8:53] MT Lundquist: quits a bit actually
[8:53] You: more? less?
[8:53] ThePrincess Parisi: oh ok ... its down lately , probably 50 percent
[8:53] MT Lundquist: given our other interests
[8:53] You: our goal with the masterplan
[8:53] ThePrincess Parisi: but we make a point to put our businesses and our homes here because of the community
[8:53] ThePrincess Parisi: nto anything else
[8:54] You: is that our territory is so pleasant, coherent
[8:54] You: that people spend maximal time here
[8:54] You: correct, Symo?
[8:54] Symo Kurka: yes correct, what we would like is to get an objective data on citizens' needs
[8:54] You: thus the questionnaire
[8:55] ThePrincess Parisi: how are you surveying ppl who are not citizens now ?
[8:55] Symo Kurka: i think btw this would be USEFUL for evrybody
[8:55] Symo Kurka: well
[8:55] You: ~we can easily poll visitors
[8:55] Symo Kurka: i start from what i have here
[8:55] Symo Kurka: not from what i ddo NOT
[8:55] You: there have been cseveral suggestions for a tourism office
[8:56] You: whioch coudl do that
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: i think you need to ask them .. first
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: how did you find CDS
[8:56] You: maybe something to be discussed at the RA again?
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: we need to know how they find us
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: did they search rome
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: roman
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: did they have a friend
[8:56] You: Princess
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: did they .. w/e
[8:56] You: a wionderful idea
[8:56] ThePrincess Parisi: that is what i ask anyone i meet
[8:56] You: i trust you to study the tourism office concept
[8:56] You: and present teh iadea again in RA
[8:57] ThePrincess Parisi: it will be part of the guided tour if alexicon ever gives me the money to buy it
[8:57] ThePrincess Parisi: we are incorporating surveys
[8:57] You: great
[8:57] ThePrincess Parisi: so you and us may need to incorporate that
[8:57] MT Lundquist:
[8:57] You: you can start thinking about the polls and what you need to know
[8:57] Symo Kurka: Princess
[8:57] ThePrincess Parisi: im trained to do marketing and psych serveys
[8:57] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[8:57] ThePrincess Parisi: illstrat a thread
[8:57] You: but anyway
[8:57] Symo Kurka: in a GMP process there is NO "you and us"
[8:58] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[8:58] ThePrincess Parisi: we ..?
[8:58] Symo Kurka: yes
[8:58] Moon Adamant listens to Symo
[8:58] Symo Kurka: it has never been a closed workgroup
[8:58] Symo Kurka: but it IS a workgroup
[8:58] You: yes
[8:58] Symo Kurka: not a copy of RA meetings
[8:59] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont want it to be, i am saying : lets use the guided tour to gather info as well
[8:59] You: we're all here, working for a common goal
[8:59] MT Lundquist: great good to hear
[8:59] Symo Kurka: so what we need is a general agreement on the GNP concept
[8:59] Symo Kurka: GMP
[8:59] Symo Kurka: and WORK on it
[8:59] Symo Kurka: but
[8:59] You: agree 300%
[9:00] Symo Kurka: i just want to know if it is agreed
[9:00] ThePrincess Parisi: well it also dovetails with a call for a strategic plan for CDS
[9:00] Jon Seattle agrees at least as much as Moon
[9:00] You: Symo is interested in that info as well
[9:00] Symo Kurka: what is dovetails??
[9:00] ThePrincess Parisi: fits, overlaps
[9:00] ThePrincess Parisi: like in furniture making
[9:00] You: as you can read from his call in the masterplan wg thread
[9:01] Symo Kurka: So let's say
[9:01] Symo Kurka: gettin back to questionnaire
[9:01] ThePrincess Parisi: the masterplan is a offshoot of a strategic plan for CDS that we actually dont have yet
[9:01] Symo Kurka: it would be ok having...
[9:02] Symo Kurka: yes but we are STARTING
[9:02] You: not an offshoot
[9:02] You: something which is done in parallel
[9:02] Symo Kurka: collecting data FOR a strategic plan
[9:02] ThePrincess Parisi: what is the term.. they have to be coherant
[9:02] ThePrincess Parisi: i see symo
[9:02] You: Symo, sorry for interrupting
[9:03] Symo Kurka: Ok now
[9:03] You: i will delay the Board meeting
[9:03] You: since we didn't start on time
[9:03] Jon Seattle: brb
[9:03] You: and in any case, it always starts 30 minutes later
[9:03] Symo Kurka: Can we agree that TWO survey, one on citizens and one on visitors could be useful?
[9:03] You: when i see people flocking in, i'll warn you, ok?
[9:03] You: i agree on that
[9:04] Symo Kurka: Princess do you agree?
[9:04] ThePrincess Parisi: sure
[9:04] Symo Kurka: GREAT thank you
[9:04] Symo Kurka: now
[9:04] Symo Kurka: i gave to MT a first draft of questionnaire
[9:04] MT Lundquist: yes ty
[9:04] Symo Kurka: and give it to you too
[9:05] ThePrincess Parisi: i have it
[9:05] Symo Kurka: and Delia
[9:05] Delia Lake: yes, i have it
[9:05] Symo Kurka: and you all please be back to me adding questions
[9:05] Symo Kurka: or observations
[9:05] MT Lundquist: yes of course
[9:05] Symo Kurka: within a couple of days
[9:05] Jon Seattle:
[9:05] ThePrincess Parisi: ok.. i would think you give an opportunity for open ended info too
[9:05] Symo Kurka: in the meanwhile
[9:06] Symo Kurka: Thanks Pri
[9:06] ThePrincess Parisi: what else do you wanna tell us?
[9:06] Symo Kurka: In the meanwhile we need ti check if there is any poll machine
[9:06] Jon Seattle: Oh, this is workgroup, its for us to generate ideas
[9:06] ThePrincess Parisi: aleixicon has one
[9:06] ThePrincess Parisi: in his shop
[9:06] You: does it allow comments?
[9:07] You: well, not exactly waht we meant
[9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont know but we can put a place for notecards
[9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: or something
[9:07] Symo Kurka: ok, we ave to check if we got a poll machine which fits with questionnaire structure
[9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: did you see what he has?
[9:07] Symo Kurka: no i'll go and see
[9:07] You: we are researching web-based apps too
[9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: hes doing marketing surveys of his customers
[9:07] Symo Kurka: and
[9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: survey monkey
[9:07] Symo Kurka: great...
[9:07] Jon Seattle: There are a number of web-based poll systems that allow comments
[9:07] Symo Kurka: what we need
[9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: cindy knows how to set one up i know
[9:07] Jon Seattle: yes, I suggestd we look at that.
[9:08] Symo Kurka: yes Cindy was in charge for that
[9:08] ThePrincess Parisi: she will be back tonight
[9:08] Symo Kurka: and she'll be back to me on this matter
[9:08] Symo Kurka: we already aggreed
[9:08] Symo Kurka: but I'm open to any machine suggestion
[9:09] Symo Kurka: that GUARANTEES a wide number of answers and an easy intervace
[9:09] Symo Kurka: *interface
[9:09] ThePrincess Parisi: indeed
[9:09] Symo Kurka: Ok do we all agree on that?
[9:09] ThePrincess Parisi: put it oat the info hub too
[9:09] MT Lundquist: yes
[9:09] ThePrincess Parisi: what are you hoping to get in sl .. so maybe even one for newbies ?
[9:09] ThePrincess Parisi: idk
[9:10] Symo Kurka: Moon, Jon?
[9:10] You: i agree with having a poll for visitors and a poll for citizens, both allowing comments
[9:10] Symo Kurka: Delia?
[9:10] Symo Kurka: great
[9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: maybe a third set for the info hub
[9:10] MT Lundquist: i agree to
[9:10] Delia Lake: yes. a survey would be good
[9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: and past citizens
[9:10] Jon Seattle: Are we polling non-citizens? If so how to be insure we get an unbiased sample?
[9:10] You: btw, let me inform this meeting
[9:10] MT Lundquist: also i think the info hub is a good additional place as Prin said
[9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: true jon
[9:10] You: that we have already two citizens waiting for the Board meeting below
[9:11] ThePrincess Parisi: but .. also how do you get data from who matters most, ppl who left
[9:11] Symo Kurka: Ok I hope Cindy will ... ok we adjourn
[9:11] ThePrincess Parisi: lets poll those who left, past citizens and why
[9:11] You: guys, those are tech issue
[9:11] You: what matters now is the essence of what we will try to get
[9:11] Symo Kurka: that would be helpful PP, but not easy
[9:11] ThePrincess Parisi: a rep sample jon said..............
[9:11] Delia Lake: i'm not sure we would get an unbiased representation anyway. people from both groups will self select to fill out the survey
[9:12] Jon Seattle: Princess, a sample of what in your view?
[9:12] Symo Kurka: Ok think we have to adjourn
[9:12] ThePrincess Parisi: all of our stakeholders
[9:12] You: i second
[9:12] Jon Seattle: Indeed
[9:12] Symo Kurka: We'll talk about sakeholders too PP
[9:12] Symo Kurka: be sure
[9:12] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[9:12] Symo Kurka: *stakeholders
[9:13] Symo Kurka: and possibly Oldies
[9:13] Symo Kurka: kk
[9:13] Symo Kurka: now we adjourn

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Next General Masterplan Meeting will take place on Sunday the 20th at 8 AM SLT in NFS School Classroom 3.
- questionnaires' format approval
- poll softwares' proposals and evaluation
- next surveys
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FIVE EASY GENERAL RULES

1. This is a workgroup. Any comments?
2. Get informed. And inform others. We all are here to learn.
3. Feel at ease. No doubt you are here to design a better future.
4. Focus on common needs. A healthy community is your first interest.
5. Be positive. Nothing to fight against here.

These are our basic rules. Please accept 'em and make 'em your own.