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Hello everyone..!!!!

i am happy to report that all is well in CDS.

There is NO land for sale in any of the three sims.. thats right, Naftali beat me to the last lot in AM.. way to go naffy.. ALL LAND is SOLD .........woot!

New businesses are popping up and we have a wonderful new live music venue in AM. Naftali has worked hard on this.............thank you Naftali!!!

The snowmelted in CN and we had a big party in its celebration! Thank you Arria and Alexicon!

A very successful openining and Exibit now at the monestary that Arria has done, the exciting thing is it is with the cooperation of non CDS citizens and has brought a cross sim presence to CDS.. thank you arria and my friends popea and lef!

Beathan hosted some great impromtu meetings CDS wide this weekend which left me with one thought, a lot of people care.................and CDS is alive and well.!!!! Thank you BEATHAN and everyone who came out to support CDS and showed their love for OUR community!

Metanomics is going well...what a great opportunity to have wonderful people in our sims. thank you Rose and CINDY!

Rose's HIllary events are bringing lots of new people to CDS.......thank you Rose!

The commerce committee is getting great support! Thank you MT for organizing......... and everyone who has participated in that so far.. the people who have particiapated in the commerce committe so far are: ...
Samantha
Sonja
ThePrincess
Patroklus
Satir
Sudane
Delia
Naftali
Symo
PIP
Lillith
Cindy
Bromo

probably more too! WOW thanks MT~ this is really a great thing for CDS and it WILL get better with everyones participation!

we have some great awesome buildings by our new citizen / rl architect.........Valus........i am in love with his work.......!! if you havent seen them GO NOW... they are his home in AM and he is building a home for Pip too.........THANK YOU VALUS AND THANK YOU PIP FOR GETTING HIM TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE TOO!

also, the coolest thing is that now its seems i rarely go to our sims that they are empty.........traffic is up and there seems to be always someone we know there to chat with........help this phenomenon grow.. go to the sims and hang out, talk and chat get to know your neighbors and fellow citizens better!!! THANK YOU EVERYONE!

There are new CDS info cards that Alexicon has done.. if you wanna get a notecard giver with them on it for any of your CDS or land outside CDS get them... and lets get them everywhere.. @@@@ THANK YOU ALEXICON..

PLEASE................ lets follow this post with other great things about CDS that are happening....................How was the snow melt for AM? What did i miss.. ???

CELEBRATE CDS! WE ARE ALIVE AND WELL!

THE PThePrincess Parisi

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Ev'ryone you meet,

Well we all shine on,
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Excuse me, ThePrincess, if I fail to share your enthusiasm. Did you read my post on this forum about Collective Property versus Un-Gated Community? I would like to know your opinion about it.

You seem to want to turn CDS away from its traditionally rather leftist orientation to a more capitalistic free-market orientation. Very well, in that case I would expect you fully to support my proposition to privatise the three sims that we now have, as described in my replies to the comments on that forum post. If on the contrary you insist that you want these three sims to remain the collective property of CDS, then I will take you to be inconsistent. I will also suspect you of wanting to profit from the collective wealth painstakingly built up and accumulated by others, to turn it to your own benefit, without acknowledging the importance of the past role of the historical members of the community.

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Come now Danton --

Surely there is some middle way here. We can keep and preserve what we are, by expanding to include greater variety -- both in the form of internal collectives and gated communities and internal open private Capitalistic sims. There is no reason for us to be monolithic in anything other than our commitment to and use of democratic processes.

I agree with ThePrincess that the CDS is fundamentally healthy. I am not sure that I am as cheery about everything -- I see dangerous trends -- but that might just be a difference in temperament.

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Danton Sideways wrote:

Excuse me, ThePrincess, if I fail to share your enthusiasm. Did you read my post on this forum about Collective Property versus Un-Gated Community? I would like to know your opinion about it.

THE POST SUPPOSES THAT THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS AND I AM FOR ONE.. I AM FOR NEITHER OF YOUR PROPOSALS AND
IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT I THINK OR WANT, ASK ME.. DONT JUST MAKE UP STUFF.. BUT.........I GUESS YOU COME BY IT HONESTLY. :D

Gosh Dantin Im sorry you dont like CDS as much as i do ! What do you see as good here? Answer my questions too.. does leftist mean negative and right wing mean positive..?? then maybe you are right dearie.........

and yes my opinion of your post is as follows:

YOU LIE ......BOY

you have no clue what you are talking about.. since you asked. And now please explain where "i want to take CDS" ...........lol... who are you really and where did you come from.. my gosh...........lol.. you crack me up i hope no one is reading what you write as serious.. since when am i "anti' leftist" and will you explain what i want to DO to cds? lol...sorry but you asked.. :) give some specifics hun

And then you said:
You seem to want to turn CDS away from its traditionally rather leftist orientation to a more capitalistic free-market orientation. Very well, in that case I would expect you fully to support my proposition to privatise the three sims that we now have, as described in my replies to the comments on that forum post. If on the contrary you insist that you want these three sims to remain the collective property of CDS, then I will take you to be inconsistent.

how can you judge my consistency if you dont know me? .........any way i dont support your proposition its based in lies and mistruthes

I will also suspect you of wanting to profit from the collective wealth painstakingly built up and accumulated by others, to turn it to your own benefit, without acknowledging the importance of the past role of the historical members of the community.

PROFIT!! ................LOL............how on earth am i to profit from CDS.. it costs me money to be here.. .............i make some money on togas , yeah.......and inturn i bring a lot of ppl here...........to cds......but i pay more than i earn..profit on CDS.. omg .. someone might, but it Aint me.....i put way more into sl than i will ever get out im sure. Actually fyi .. and its none of your business. RL offers me WAY more than SL can ever do financially. It costs me money to be here. I use a credit card fro my sl existence. Id like to hear your explanation of my profit motive.. LOL you still crack me up. In fact i have agreed with Jon Seattle for ages that we need to be a nonprofit ...........and would still love to work with him on that but he refuses to work on it with me. guess hes been busy

and you also said i dont wanna honor our history and our past:

um..............? what am i missing.. first of all i proposed a bill to honor the historical past of our members, have a hall of fame to them that is added to every six months at the inagural ball by the outgoing chancellor, have a guided tour bill Nucare wrote and was unamimously passed by three of your party members... last term that also celebrates the past of CDS....................and

also may youplease answer me in what way was CDS traditionally Leftist? i asked you this inworld and you refused to answer me only to tell me i am your opponenent and you will fight me....... ??? what is leftist about CDS to you and what do you want? can you be specific.. i just want a happy place for us to live and all together and i dont honestly see that terminology as very relevant in this venue myself... please fill me in .

.. AND THEN THE ...........Electric Light Orchestra Sang:

You got me runnin' goin' out of my mind,
You got me thinkin' that I'm wastin' my time.
Don't bring me down,no no no no no,
I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
Don't bring me down.

You wanna stay out with your fancy friends.
I'm tellin' you it's go to be the end,
Don't bring me down,no no no no no no no no,
I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
Don't bring me down.

Don't bring me down,grroosss
Don't bring me down,grroosss
Don't bring me down,grroosss
Don't bring me down.

What happend to the girl I used to known,
You let your mind out somewhere down the road,
Don't bring me down,no no no no no,
I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
Don't bring me down.

You're always talkin' 'bout your crazy nights,
One of these days you're gonna get it right.
Don't bring me down,no no no no no,
I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
Don't bring me down.

Don't bring me down,grroosss
Don't bring me down,grroosss
Don't bring me down,grroosss
Don't bring me down.

You're lookin' good just like a snake in the grass,
One of these days you're gonna break your glass.
Don't bring me down,no no no no no no no no,
I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
Don't bring me down.

You got me shakin' got me runnin' away
You get me crawlin' up to you everyday,
Don't bring me down,no no no no no,
I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
Don't bring me down.

CDS IS GREAT! KEEP IT POSITIVE PLEASE............................................

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one more thought dandon

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ThePrincess –

What happened to the lovey-dovey everything's-beautiful tone of your first post? You've gone and blown it to smithereens.

Of course I knew that you would be against my privatisation scheme, because you hope to profit fully from taking over CDS government, and doing what you want with all of this collective property. Not necessarily to make money, but to boost your own projects (and perhaps your own ego?).

But let us get serious here. If you are a leftist I would suggest that you put something to that effect in your program. And if you are serious about recognizing all of the efforts that historical members have put in, look at my latest post on the "Collective Property" thread, concerning possible modalities of the proposed privatization. I there suggest a simple compromise which would pay off at least some of their past invested time in terms of shares of the privatised wealth.

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Danton,
I am still waiting for you to answer my question. Something meaningful and doable in CDS? shall we just say how much we all make in RL, give one percent to CDS and split all land evenly? how bout that? or are you not a leftist.....??

what you propose is not even possible.. so find something that will actually work and we will discuss it, see dnates post ok huN?

and i guess you went to CSDF boot camp? where is it, they sure train fast..!!

and yes.. all is wonderful in CDS.. good news is that Cindy has a nice new shop on the forum in CN where she hopes to make a ...............GASP...........omg..............profit.........!!! everyone should go visit..........its lovely!! yay Cindy!

can someone post some good things going on in CDS please?

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theprincessparisi wrote:

<snipped>
and i guess you went to CSDF boot camp? where is it, they sure train fast..!!

<more snipped>

can someone post some good things going on in CDS please?

Bromo Ivory, in a different thread wrote:

Um ... insults ... that ain't cool.

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ThePrincess -

Your definition of everything being lovely in CDS seems to mean that you and your friends are having the greatest time, even if the opposing party is unhappy about something. This divisive partisan spirit goes against what CDS was supposed to be about, which is working together cooperatively.

And yes, I *am* a leftist, which is why I joined CSDF, the name of which openly includes the term "social-democrat." But paradoxically, at the moment I am the one who is arguing for privatisation of CDS property, and you are the one who wants to maintain collective ownership. Politics can take funny twists and turns.

And while I felt obliged to call you on some of your ranting, I do want to stay friends. See you in-world!

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Danton, you are creating a "Straw Man" here when you ascribe hypothetical motives to Princess, then extend it to her political faction and then use it as a point of attack. This is not a real argument - I will refer you to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Below is a Quote and I believe you are doing a mish-mash of mostly 1 & 5

A straw man argument can be set up in several ways, including:

1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context -- i.e., choosing quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender and then refuting that person's arguments, thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.[1]
4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, such that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking the simplified version.

However, carefully presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's argument is not always itself a fallacy. It can restrict the scope of the opponent's argument or be a legitimate step of a proof by exhaustion.

While I will not create a Straw Man, I do find it curious that you started posting prolifically, precisely when CSDF quit government.

Danton Sideways wrote:

ThePrincess -

Your definition of everything being lovely in CDS seems to mean that you and your friends are having the greatest time, even if the opposing party is unhappy about something. This divisive partisan spirit goes against what CDS was supposed to be about, which is working together cooperatively.

And yes, I *am* a leftist, which is why I joined CSDF, the name of which openly includes the term "social-democrat." But paradoxically, at the moment I am the one who is arguing for privatisation of CDS property, and you are the one who wants to maintain collective ownership. Politics can take funny twists and turns.

And while I felt obliged to call you on some of your ranting, I do want to stay friends. See you in-world!

Oh, and Danton - I don't think I understand your definition of "Collective" vs "Private Ownership" since you appear to be trying to refute Linden Lab reality which, if true, is a bit like a RL politician talking about how gravity isn't fair. (This is not meant to be a straw man just an illustration of how wrong I hope to be about this)

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Bromo –

If the shoe fits, wear it. I suggested that ThePrincess wants to move CDS to a more capitalistic free-market orientation. That is my honest perception, with no intent of setting up a straw man. If it is a misrepresentation, then I am just wrong, and I hope everyone will excuse me. Moreover, I do think that some of her allies also want to move in the same direction, and that is also my honest opinion. Note that I even think it is quite alright to want to go that way. I'm just suggesting that those who do should be consistent and support my privatisation proposal.

I started posting about this subject because the current crisis in the RA government got me thinking about possible causes. I suggest that the problem has something to do with CDS property being collective property, and my proposed solution is a way to distribute part of the property to private owners. I suggest that this can be done by writing up a contractual document, stating that while only one person represents each sim to Linden Lab, that one person in fact represents a group that has decided to divide ownership of the sim according to a specific specified breakdown.

My proposal comes down to setting up an in-world legal mechanism (the contract) which would *supplement* the official Linden policy. And I'm thinking of applying the same contract principle to a mainland rehabilitation project which has nothing to do with CDS. For details you could check out this blog post:

http://dantonsideways.blogspot.com/2008 ... -life.html

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Danton Sideways wrote:

My proposal comes down to setting up an in-world legal mechanism (the contract) which would *supplement* the official Linden policy. And I'm thinking of applying the same contract principle to a mainland rehabilitation project which has nothing to do with CDS. For details you could check out this blog post:

http://dantonsideways.blogspot.com/2008 ... -life.html

Good illustrative point.

So you are proposing to use CDS in the role as an activist to get Linden Labs to allow true group ownership rather than just an informal structure as it exists today.

I would suggest getting Anshe Chung, Prokofy Neva and a few of the larger "Land Barons" to join in.

Also there are a number of open source grids that have started up that allows you to link your server and sims to the other ones. "Central Grid" is the name of one I have tried and was realtively impressed sine it was entirely reverse engineered and in Apha.

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Actually, Bromo, I was just suggesting using the Linden Lab policy relating to island ownership as it is now. The contractual relationship would be set up between avatars, but a single person would still represent the group to Linden Lab. It would probably take an enormous amount of energy to move Linden Lab on this matter.

And that is interesting about "Central Grid." I thought most of the open source sims were only half-baked yet. And open source is fantastic, but sometimes a more commercial approach is necessary. For example, I wish someone would take Linux, and use it as the basis to make a *real* competitor to Microsoft.

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