Transcript of Faction Q&A (in two parts)

[Claude Desmoulins]

[color=Black:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Meeting on 2006-07-09[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Sienna:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Those present[/b:vz51hu03]: [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins is in the chair.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: sorry Aliasi[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: please touch[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Indigo:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Aliasi Stonebender has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Indigo:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:vz51hu03]: k.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: who checks time, then? [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: phone[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle tries to organize windows into less impossible arangement[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: hi lucid, glad u could join us [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: i'd vote for a better interface![/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Hi Lucid! [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Olive:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Lucid Vindaloo[/b:vz51hu03]: Hello [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: Hi Lucid! [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Hi.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: hi Lucid [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: is everyone pretty much settled in?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: OK[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: hehe[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: yes[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: yes[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: yep [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: Then welcome to Trotsky's[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: What is the format that was agreed upon for this meeting?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Someone asks a question[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Each faction has three minutes to answer[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Right[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: yes[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: okay, may I start?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: We alternate order of answers.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: I assume most of us are familiar with the platforms, but can each of you describe the most important elements of your platform to us?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Ah, should I start?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Sure Jin[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: *Jon[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: There are a number of elements.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Careful growth as a community[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Replacing the guild[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: propsals for citizen participation[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: hi penor , ken[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Green:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Ken Rikichi[/b:vz51hu03]: hiya =D[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Teal:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Penor Spatula[/b:vz51hu03]: hello[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: and also educational initiatives[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Overall I would say our vision is to have our[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: community become a center for thinking and learn and commerce[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Innovation, while taking resonable risks.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: *learning[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Claude?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The most important points of the DPU platform are:[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: 1) Expanding/ creating a government structure that is scalable to support that and future growth...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: and 2)[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Continuing to enhance economic growth and opportunity.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: All of the things about electoral reform, change of the guild and the like can be seen as part of #1[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: OK[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: all right are there any questions from the audience?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: well... I'd like to hear ideas about replacing or revising the Guild [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I guess it's my turn to go first.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: Sudane [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle nods[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The DPU proposes that the Guild's governmental/administrative functions be replaced by...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: an entity wich would exist in each sim.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Consisiting of an elected "Planning and Zoning" group and an administrator,[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: These two entities would handle covenant enforcement, zoning variances and the like,[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: We believe that as much government as possible shoule be local, especially as relates to covenants and builds, and that....[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: ....the existing system can make things happen administratively on the 'national' level without a permanent executive.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: so... no CDS level "third branch"?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Blue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]LukeMcKenna McCann[/b:vz51hu03]: ack, i hafta go guys and gals XP[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: To the extent that a third branch exists, we wantit to grow out of the local P&Z's and be accountable to the citizens in its own right, rather than being linked to the RA.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The administrator is elected in a winner-take-all election in each sim?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: ok... good[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: We don't have a formal position on how the administrator is chosen, as long as there's a democratc process. Election of the administrator by the P&Z is a possibility as is some sort of more direct election.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: there IS the issue of the Treasurer/Estate Owner[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: would these be separate for each sim?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: There's no DPU position on this. we see advantages and isadvantages to each option.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: *disadvantages[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: and... waht about the CSDF position?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle waits for claude to finish[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The one thing I'd add is that what we hope to not have happen is for an RA sitting in Neufreistadt to be making every decision about street names and locations in several sims.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: yes[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle nods and agrees "but there are other ways"[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: i don't think anyone wants that [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Part of what has made this city a success is the sense of community and locality. We want to maintain some local control so that sense of community isn't lost as we grow.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Ok Jon.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle nods[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: First, we feel that the community should grow as a single republic for now, not as a federation. The DPU proposal would greatly expand the number of people needed to run the government.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The CSDF proposes that we replace the guild by a combination of a cabinet and a civil service. I want to talk a little more about the cabinet, since that is the point where the DPU and CSDF differ on this.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: In any case we would keep a structure that, for now, would allow representation of each sim[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: but still organize work centrally until we grow to a larger size. 36 people is very small.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: What is meant by a cabinet here is the european sense of executive, not the US version[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The cabinet we are proposing plans and oversees the implementation of legislation passed by the RA.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The civil service actually organizes and does the work. The cabinet?s role is to be an effective coordinator and check on decisions made by the civil service.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The cabinet will generally work at the strategic level, setting up planning meetings and guidelines.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: But is mainly concerned with strategic decisions, not the name of streets.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The cabinet is created by the majority leader of the RA (rather than a separate election) because it is an executive arm of the assembly.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The goal here is to continue to have decisions made by representivies who reflect the goals and ideals of the entire community. The RA is the best place for that.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: In effect power flows from individuals to the RA, and the RA needs to have an[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: efficient and effective way of implementing the things[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: that are decided.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Questions?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Yes[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: i have a follow up question on the guild[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: me as well[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: 1) Wouldn't a cabinet also increase the number of people in government? and 2)[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: The answer to 1 is no! We would not have duplicate committies in every sim and add the additional adminstrators, etc.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Patroklus said that no one wants the RA deciding every street change in multple sims. Current law requires that. If not the RA, who would the CSDF have making the decisions on streets?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: This would become far more efficent as we grow in numbers.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Generally the civil service could make many decisions while consulting citizens. The cabinet would oversee the process and make sure it is consistant with our larger plans and goals.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I cannot tell how the RA woild decide to handle street names in particular.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: But it could be done efficently.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: could i ask a practical question?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Does CSDF have a position on how it ought be done?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: When we get to 100+ people we can start thinking more about having multiple assemblies.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Sorry Patroklus[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: No, we have not discussed street names in particular.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: okay[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: i too have a question after Pat[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: (i think street names is a bit of a side issue:) How would you achieve your reforms of the Guild? Do you intend to introduce constitutional amendments?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: it seems both of these proposls would require that'[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:vz51hu03]: I think the point about street names is that someone has to do a lot of sim specific jobs[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Yes, I think there will have to be a combination of amendments and legislation. And of course, because this is not a win or loose arrangement..[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: we will end up planning the actual soltuons to these problems together assuming that some from each party are elected.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: yees[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I am not sure, Pat, did I answer your question?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: yes ty:), claude?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I agree that the current constitution is very explicit about the nature of the guild. Constitutional changes will probably be necessary.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Thus making whatever happens a bipartisan process.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: only probably? surely they are essential if u want to take powers away from a branch of government?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Yes. Although the SC would have a final say of course. I'm not partofthe SC [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Does that answer your question?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: yes ty:)[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: hmmmm, tell me when i can ask?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: i think that the SC will only be involved with HOW we change the constitution[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: not the substance of the change[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: i agree, sudane[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Are we ready for Moon?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: sure![/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: ok[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: ready~[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: thanks [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: i feel i need to introudce my question a little[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: CSDF proposes a republic, that is easy enough to undrestand[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: now DPU platform reads this:[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: "Once we reach five sims, the RA will be joined by a senate, creating a bicameral legislature. The Senate will consist of one seat per sim. The senator will be directly elected by the residents of the sim the seat represents. Factions will have no formal[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: in senate elections. If an avatar owns land in more than one sim they must choose a sim of primary residence in which they vote for senate"[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: now, i have gathered that the DPU proposes the regional assemblies/admins[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: dependant on the overall RA - sinc ethe bicameral house would only be created after the 5 sims[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: my question is[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: wouldn't this create a lot of strees on the RA? we do have trouble meeting the quorum now[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: wouldn't it delay processes of decision?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: so it is really a question about efficiency in governemnt[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: Claude [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I'm unclear. The CSDF proposes sim level constituency seats in the RA. The only differenc I see in the proposals is whether those sim reps are in a separate chamber or aded to the RA. It doesn't create a slowdown because...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: ...The local assemblies are elected by those in each local jurisdiction and handle local decision making themselves, freeing the RA from zoning decisions even before we grow big enough to support a bicameral legislature.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I would like to answer claude when my turn comes.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Does that answer your question, Moon?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: how can it not cause a slowdown? if both houses have to approve legislation then it will take twice as long. what is the role of the senate, if not to pass bills?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Let me address claudes question if I may.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Ah. Now I see where you're going.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: hmmmm, please Jon[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I think it will be some time before we even have a senate [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: But I think Claude brings up an interesting issue[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Say instead of having RA reps, we had one person elected in each sim to make decisions[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: There are several reasons why I would rather have them in a single assembly.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: First, I would rather have debate over issues than an all-powerful admin in each sim.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: May I clarify?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Somtimes it talkes discussion to keep bad decisions from being made.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Go ahead claude.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: We are not porposingthat the sim administrator (exec) and the Senator be the same person. Think of the sim P&Z and sim administrator as "local government" as opposed to "national government"[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: *proposing[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I'll come back to the bicameral issue when you've finished.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Well, it seems to me that before you get to five sims, you have to have some arrangement.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: What do you propose for sim represenation before that point?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: arrangement for what?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn comes late in...[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Moon Adamant[/b:vz51hu03]: hiya Gwynnie [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkSlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Patroklus Murakami[/b:vz51hu03]: hi gwyn[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOrange:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Sudane Erato[/b:vz51hu03]: hi Gwyn [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: lol hi all[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Well sims be represeted. What I am trying to understand is your proposed relationship between local goverments and the RA before the senate is set up.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The reason to keep the sim reps in a separate chamber is to separate the platform driven, faction centered election for RA from the potentially less platform driven and probably more personality driven election for sim reps. Also...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: All of this is accedemic until we reach five sims, correct?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: In the interim, the local P&Z will establish local control over some issues . The local governments happen right away.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: So when we have four sims we have four RAs. And no coordination?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Once we reach five sims we probably will want to slow the process of legislating at the national level to ensure true consensus over national laws is created in the larger community.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: No.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: We will have an RA and a local[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: "P&Z" for each sim.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: So, how does the local deal with the RA?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn kindly asks what a P&Z is...[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: jon, it's like a town council's relationship to county or state government[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: which handles local zoning and covenants.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: "Planningand Zoning"[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Ah, ty.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Can the RA override any deicison by a local P&Z?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: most of the nuts and bolts of local governance are handled on the local level, but there are some issues that the locals must bounce to the state - this is defined by statute[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: First of all, the local p&Z has the powers the RA delegates to it. Unless we radically alter the constitution, which we're not proposing.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Depends on how it's set up. One possiblilty is requiring the RA to agree to theme changes, say if a sim wanted to go from Roman to steampunk.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Or...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: claude, do you have a proposed body of law that the RA would have to act on, to define what it deals with and what's the locals' territory?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The RA could be hands off and allow complete local control of theme and covenant.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: does the DPU have a position on what the RA would handle and what the locals would handle?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I'd have to pore over the code , but the gist is that things like covenants and variances would be local, as well as street layout and those sorts of things.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: I know I'm late, but... how many people would be in a "P&Z"?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Let the RA focus on policies that affect multiple sims,[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: It seems to me that this fuzzy area could lead to some problems down the road..[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: No set number, I imagine it could be as low as three per sim.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Some details are , of course, to be negotiated. [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Ok... so the locals elect the three (or so people),[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: or just one?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Since the RA would have to authoriz the local governments.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: And the rest is appointed?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The rest being?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Imagine a 3-person P&Z.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Will all of them get elected directly (locally),[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: or one gets elected, the other two are selected?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The RA could decide in detail what authority to decentralize.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: claude, it seems to me that the authorization of local governments would require a constitutional amendment - is that your sense?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I imagined that the entire P&Z would be locally elected.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: It looks to me like this means: executive power into the local authorities,[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: while keeping legislative power at the CDS level. Is that right?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Possibly, although RA can pass legislation that overrides covenants. It ought ot be able to delegate that power to local entities should it choose to do so.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Now let's see the reverse situation...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Some local legislative power, Gwyn[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: ... citizens wishing to participate in the local authorities.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Oh![/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Local legislative as well?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Over covennant/zoning/street layout. Things specific to a particular sim.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Like "city ordinances", but locally?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Yes.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][i:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*[/i:vz51hu03][/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: There is also....[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: a local admin (think the CN Praetor here) who enforces the local zoning and covenants.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The RA should deal with decisions that cross sim borders.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Once we have multiple sims.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Ok... so where does the citizen participation come in, under that model?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Right now: we have the Guild (free to join)[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I have a question, I do not know if I am allowed to ask larger things.. but[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: At the moment any citizen can do a project if they wish. It's only if they want the city to pay for it that legislation is necessary.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: Ah.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: What's wrong with that?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Sorry Jon[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: and under that proposed model... what would they do... bother people locally or nation-wide?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: and sorry as well, Jon [/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Oh np![/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I am interested in this question[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Depends on the project.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Say a new museum or school?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=SlateGray:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:vz51hu03]: A new *local* museum or school...[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Why not the local government? We also propose giving some funds to the local governments so they have their own budget for improvements.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: would local govt's have the power to tax residents?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: No position on this. If not, we propose that the national government should return some portion of revenue collected in the sim to the local entity.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Let me ask mine.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I live in a small city of several hundred thousand in RL[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: My apt building alone has more than 30 residants[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: I am just imagining what it woild be like if we had one goverment for each 30 or so. I[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: isnt this going to become difficult if we really were to grow to a larger proportion of SL?[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: Here's what I notice. I live in a community of about 20K in RL. I jnow none of my government.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: The government for 30 people has worked quite well here to this point.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Claude Desmoulins[/b:vz51hu03]: I wantvery much to keep some part of government that so it can be responsive and local rather than distant and anonymous.[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=DarkRed:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Yogeswari Padar[/b:vz51hu03]: perhaps we we grow, we explore a model of representative government that involves direct election of local reps (from each sim) to the RA, as opposed to just vting for factions[/color:vz51hu03]
[color=Navy:vz51hu03][b:vz51hu03]Jon Seattle[/b:vz51hu03]: Claude, I very much agree with your goal, but I think our planning festival does a better job.[/color:vz51hu03]

[Claude Desmoulins]

[color=DarkOliveGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Claude Desmoulins[/b:z6hkdvr5]: I'm sorry, but I must leave in about five minutes.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Claude Desmoulins[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Is the planning festival scalable?[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle[/b:z6hkdvr5]: The point I want to make is that local control of plumbing kind of operations really is not a benifit.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle[/b:z6hkdvr5]: If you can do them more efficently.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle[/b:z6hkdvr5]: What we really want is more local input on plans and designs and layouts.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Yes, the festival is scalable.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=SlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Should work for a big nation [/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Variations on it work for large regions of the US. For example Chicago 2020 has used a related approach for this region.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=SlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Well, while naturally I have to agree personally with more representativity at a local level, and there is no question about the need for that, my fear is that we'll be "forcing" always around 10-30% of all citizens to be "in government".[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkRed:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Yogeswari Padar[/b:z6hkdvr5]: and it works for much smaller communities - elmira, NY is using it to bring resident voice to a local public works project[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Claude Desmoulins[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Binding on government?[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][i:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle smiles and nods[/i:z6hkdvr5][/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=SlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Ideally, we should have small and light governments, way below the 10%[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Claude Desmoulins[/b:z6hkdvr5]: If there's anything else for me, please ask.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Claude Desmoulins[/b:z6hkdvr5]: I must go.[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=SlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Well, aren't you afraid that this model will create huge governments, at local and "national" level?[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=SlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Ok... thank you[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkSlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Patroklus Murakami[/b:z6hkdvr5]: yes, ty claude[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Moon Adamant[/b:z6hkdvr5]: thank you very much Claude [/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkRed:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Yogeswari Padar[/b:z6hkdvr5]: thank you, claude[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=Navy:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Jon Seattle[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Thanks much Claude[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOrange:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Sudane Erato[/b:z6hkdvr5]: thank you Claude!![/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Claude Desmoulins[/b:z6hkdvr5]: Can I take the recorder?[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Moon Adamant[/b:z6hkdvr5]: and thank you very much too Rubaiyat, for hosting this [/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkOrange:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Sudane Erato[/b:z6hkdvr5]: sure[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Moon Adamant[/b:z6hkdvr5]: if you please[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=SlateGray:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Gwyneth Llewelyn[/b:z6hkdvr5]: well also thanks to Rubaiyat for letting us use Trotsky's [/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:z6hkdvr5]: aw shucks[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkGreen:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:z6hkdvr5]: we can hang around[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DarkRed:z6hkdvr5][b:z6hkdvr5]Yogeswari Padar[/b:z6hkdvr5]: yes, thanks, rubaiyat[/color:z6hkdvr5]
[color=DimGray:z6hkdvr5][i:z6hkdvr5]The meeting closed at 12:29 Linden time.[/i:z6hkdvr5][/color:z6hkdvr5]