I have complained about the harrassment and abuse I received while LRA from Beathan, ThePrincess and MT. Some of this took place after meetings rather than in them and so has not been recorded. This is the discussion that ThePrincess and MT engaged me in following the RA meeting on 24 February. I'm sure I could have been more conciliatory, polite etc in response so this exposes my failings too. MT has since apologised to me privately for saying that he would fire me if I worked for him! ("You" = "Patroklus Murakami")
[2008/02/24 14:27] ThePrincess Parisi: you were out of oreder on the agenda
[2008/02/24 14:27] Alexicon Kurka: we should have ongoing surveys on CDS
[2008/02/24 14:27] You: why is that?
[2008/02/24 14:27] ThePrincess Parisi: you do not have the authority to just adjorn
[2008/02/24 14:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: there is also a very old text about the website: http://208.101.22.58/~aliasi4/nburgwiki ... ForNewSite
[2008/02/24 14:27] ThePrincess Parisi: whithout permission
[2008/02/24 14:27] Alexicon Kurka: we use the website only at the moment
[2008/02/24 14:27] ThePrincess Parisi: you changed teh order
[2008/02/24 14:27] ThePrincess Parisi: from the posted order
[2008/02/24 14:27] You: i think you're being a bit pernickety theprincess
[2008/02/24 14:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's the LRA's prerrogative, Princess 
[2008/02/24 14:28] ThePrincess Parisi: no im not you are tryin gto block the expansion of the sim bill
[2008/02/24 14:28] ThePrincess Parisi: no its not gwyen
[2008/02/24 14:28] You: don't be silly
[2008/02/24 14:28] ThePrincess Parisi: he has to publish the agenda
[2008/02/24 14:28] You: i want expansion just as much as you
[2008/02/24 14:28] ThePrincess Parisi: before teh meeting
[2008/02/24 14:28] ThePrincess Parisi: no you dont you took it off the agenda
[2008/02/24 14:28] Sonja Strom: here is one about the website: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1291
[2008/02/24 14:28] You: would you rather we had no chancellor's qeustions?
[2008/02/24 14:29] You: i made a proposal for handling. why didn't you object?
[2008/02/24 14:29] ThePrincess Parisi: what did you say?
[2008/02/24 14:29] ThePrincess Parisi: remind me
[2008/02/24 14:29] You: that's what a chairman *does*!
[2008/02/24 14:29] ThePrincess Parisi: pack his political pocket?
[2008/02/24 14:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the LRA *is* political 
[2008/02/24 14:29] Alexicon Kurka: thanks Sonja and Gwyn for the links
[2008/02/24 14:30] You: [14:02] You: Now, we have come to the end of our allotted time and we still have some key items to cover. [14:02] Alexicon Kurka: thanks for the input anyway [14:03] You: i suggest we cover item 3 on the forums and try to cover chancellor's questions in twenty minutes
[2008/02/24 14:30] ThePrincess Parisi: well it is nt supposed to be for a faction its for the cDS
[2008/02/24 14:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: my pleasure, Alex
[2008/02/24 14:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Entering chat range: MT Lundquist (2m)
[2008/02/24 14:30] ThePrincess Parisi: and he took an oath gwyenth
[2008/02/24 14:30] ThePrincess Parisi: to be fro the good of CDS not CDSF
[2008/02/24 14:30] You: the chair has to keep order and try to get throuhg a busy agenda
[2008/02/24 14:31] Moon Adamant is Online
[2008/02/24 14:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the agenda is *always* busy, Princess
[2008/02/24 14:31] ThePrincess Parisi: you didnt discuss item
[2008/02/24 14:31] ThePrincess Parisi: thre
[2008/02/24 14:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I rarely saw an RA meeting that managed to cover all items in a single session
[2008/02/24 14:31] ThePrincess Parisi: he is not at liberty to change it midstream
[2008/02/24 14:31] ThePrincess Parisi: no he chagned it gwyneth
[2008/02/24 14:31] ThePrincess Parisi: from what was published
[2008/02/24 14:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: of course he is, Princess
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: with the consent of the RA
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: and the constitution .........
[2008/02/24 14:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: i made a proposal for handling
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: you didnt ask to remove
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: some agreed with it
[2008/02/24 14:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nobody objected...
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: what does that even mean
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: no one objected
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: i didnt even hear you say that
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: what di dyou say?
[2008/02/24 14:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn has to go now
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: well, you need to pay more attention then
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: no show me the chat
[2008/02/24 14:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: read the transcripts.
[2008/02/24 14:32] ThePrincess Parisi: i have the chat saved
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: i've already cut and pasted it once
[2008/02/24 14:32] You: scroll back
[2008/02/24 14:33] ThePrincess Parisi: i crashed ..
[2008/02/24 14:33] ThePrincess Parisi: why are you being so much a poo poo head
[2008/02/24 14:33] Sonja Strom: lol
[2008/02/24 14:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: [14:02] Patroklus Murakami: Now, we have come to the end of our allotted time and we still have some key items to cover.
[2008/02/24 14:33] You: LOL!
[2008/02/24 14:33] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/02/24 14:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: [14:03] Patroklus Murakami: i suggest we cover item 3 on the forums and try to cover chancellor's questions in twenty minutes
[2008/02/24 14:33] Alexicon Kurka: lol
[2008/02/24 14:33] ThePrincess Parisi: well the key items to cover .......
[2008/02/24 14:33] ThePrincess Parisi: well
[2008/02/24 14:33] ThePrincess Parisi: i didnt know thats what you meant
[2008/02/24 14:33] Sonja Strom: we did not go to item 3 in the agenda, but we did have the Chancellor here for questions
[2008/02/24 14:33] You: so, that the was the point you should have objected
[2008/02/24 14:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: [14:03] Patroklus Murakami: are RA members, and alex, happy to carry on for twenty minutes? [14:03] Sonja Strom: I am. [14:03] ThePrincess Parisi: i am [14:04] Alexicon Kurka: yes I am here [14:04] Beathan Vale: sure
[2008/02/24 14:34] ThePrincess Parisi: so will the ones we miss in ...
[2008/02/24 14:34] ThePrincess Parisi: three .. was about sim expansion sonja
[2008/02/24 14:34] MT Lundquist is Offline
[2008/02/24 14:34] Alexicon Kurka: I think the news we heard from Sudane were overwhelming
[2008/02/24 14:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Princess — you AGREED
[2008/02/24 14:34] ThePrincess Parisi: he did the agenda so he wont have to address it
[2008/02/24 14:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: anyway
[2008/02/24 14:34] Sonja Strom: tre
[2008/02/24 14:34] ThePrincess Parisi: i didnt know...........well
[2008/02/24 14:34] You: but do you really think we had time to cover item 3 and do chancellor's questions?
[2008/02/24 14:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I need to go...
[2008/02/24 14:34] Alexicon Kurka: and should make us all happy
[2008/02/24 14:34] Sonja Strom: true
[2008/02/24 14:34] ThePrincess Parisi: can you pu tthat on the agend a .........first next week
[2008/02/24 14:34] You: put what?
[2008/02/24 14:34] ThePrincess Parisi: the new sim items
[2008/02/24 14:35] ThePrincess Parisi: and we request a any other business item always
[2008/02/24 14:35] MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Entering chat range: MT Lundquist (1m)
[2008/02/24 14:35] You: that will most likely be the top item (unless somethign drastic happens in the meantime)
[2008/02/24 14:35] MT Lundquist is Online
[2008/02/24 14:35] ThePrincess Parisi: we didnt even have time to propose it
[2008/02/24 14:35] ThePrincess Parisi: i carashed and you adjoured and i needed to still add something
[2008/02/24 14:35] You: but you\d better not slag me off for not putting the 'RA process' bill at the top!
[2008/02/24 14:35] Sonja Strom: It makes sense for unfinished business from this meeting to begin the agenda of the next meeting.
[2008/02/24 14:35] ThePrincess Parisi: i wanted to add a thing before we adjourned
[2008/02/24 14:35] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont konw what salg means
[2008/02/24 14:36] ThePrincess Parisi: but RA process bill needs to be done.. Pat, it will help all our process
[2008/02/24 14:36] You: slag off = unfairly criticise
[2008/02/24 14:36] You: well, they can't both be first can they?
[2008/02/24 14:36] Sonja Strom: I think unfinished business from the previous meeting should be first in the next one.
[2008/02/24 14:36] MT Lundquist: i agree
[2008/02/24 14:36] ThePrincess Parisi: yes i agree sonja
[2008/02/24 14:36] Sonja Strom: Then we go to the next issues.
[2008/02/24 14:36] ThePrincess Parisi: we have .. why dont you do a bill for that sonja
[2008/02/24 14:36] Alexicon Kurka: Well I have to move, keep cool all of you
[2008/02/24 14:37] ThePrincess Parisi: loves alexicon
[2008/02/24 14:37] ThePrincess Parisi: take care hun, good work
[2008/02/24 14:37] MT Lundquist: bye alex
[2008/02/24 14:37] Sonja Strom: see you Alexicon.
[2008/02/24 14:37] MT Lundquist: take care
[2008/02/24 14:37] ThePrincess Parisi: we really appreciate you
[2008/02/24 14:37] Sonja Strom: Thank you for Chancelloring.
[2008/02/24 14:37] You: hmmm. ordinarily thats a good model. but you can't have it as a straitjacket. sometimes issues flare up and need to be addressed first
[2008/02/24 14:37] ThePrincess Parisi: are you the leader of your party, do you do this to them
[2008/02/24 14:37] You: that's why i object to mechanical ways of making the agenda
[2008/02/24 14:37] MT Lundquist: but thats rare pat
[2008/02/24 14:37] ThePrincess Parisi: no you want to do what you want.. and be a pph
[2008/02/24 14:37] MT Lundquist: its a good principle that sonja proposes
[2008/02/24 14:38] ThePrincess Parisi: yes sonja put a bill together and we will support you .. i know beathan will too
[2008/02/24 14:38] ThePrincess Parisi: you have your votes
[2008/02/24 14:38] Sonja Strom: I will work on making a bill.
[2008/02/24 14:38] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/02/24 14:38] MT Lundquist: i support that
[2008/02/24 14:38] You: i think you're determined to interpret my motives badly theprincess
[2008/02/24 14:38] ThePrincess Parisi: and so are you mine pat
[2008/02/24 14:38] Sonja Strom: It seems unnecessary to me, but if it is, then ok.
[2008/02/24 14:38] ThePrincess Parisi: ok thanks j too bad we ahve to fight this
[2008/02/24 14:38] You: i don't think it is necessary
[2008/02/24 14:38] ThePrincess Parisi: pat do you know what i think,
[2008/02/24 14:38] ThePrincess Parisi: of course you dont , pat
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: i think that since michel is gone, you have to fight with soeone
[2008/02/24 14:39] You: i don't think i can every do right in your eyes
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: and you will make a fight if you dont have it
[2008/02/24 14:39] You: you're prejudiced
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: yes you can .. i am not your wife pat
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: i just want you to be fair
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: i am not
[2008/02/24 14:39] You: *you're* the one making the fight
[2008/02/24 14:39] Bromo Ivory is Online
[2008/02/24 14:39] You: not me
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: no you are
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: read back
[2008/02/24 14:39] MT Lundquist: wb bromo
[2008/02/24 14:39] Sonja Strom: ciao ciao
[2008/02/24 14:39] You: bye sonja
[2008/02/24 14:39] Bromo Ivory: hi
[2008/02/24 14:39] ThePrincess Parisi: bye hun thanks for writing the bill
[2008/02/24 14:39] MT Lundquist: bye sonja
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: pat you know i love you
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: i appreciate you a lot, just be fiar
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: im not michel
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: we didnt cheat
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: and we arent a threat to you
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: if you want to know how to make cdsf better ask me
[2008/02/24 14:40] You: i'm not threatened by you
[2008/02/24 14:40] You: far from it! LOL
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: ill consult to you.. do you know that i was invited to join cdsf when michel left
[2008/02/24 14:40] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: well we all want the same thing, so stop beeing a po poo head
[2008/02/24 14:41] You: i don't really care. i'd just prefer it if you behaved better in meetings
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: be respectiful you are not that
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: i was good today you were NOT
[2008/02/24 14:41] MT Lundquist: now come on Pat
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: read back
[2008/02/24 14:41] MT Lundquist: you are an arse at times
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: i had pms last week
[2008/02/24 14:41] You: well, the same could be said of you
[2008/02/24 14:41] MT Lundquist: i have to bite my lip
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: no i am not a poo poo head you are
[2008/02/24 14:41] MT Lundquist: if you worked for me
[2008/02/24 14:41] MT Lundquist: i would fire you
[2008/02/24 14:41] ThePrincess Parisi: i would take you out to lunch and make you laugh ........
[2008/02/24 14:41] You: well MT. you're entitled to your opinion
[2008/02/24 14:41] Bromo Ivory: Come on - you guys have to owrk together
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: pat stop being a tight ass
[2008/02/24 14:42] MT Lundquist: you cant run meetings
[2008/02/24 14:42] You: but i think you're both being very unfair
[2008/02/24 14:42] MT Lundquist: top and bottom of it
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: f put the fucking other business on the agenda
[2008/02/24 14:42] Bromo Ivory: MT, Pat, Prin - really you guys couod work together much better
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: and give some at least ..........really try to make it seem like you support bills that are not from cdsf
[2008/02/24 14:42] You: i know bromo. but who can work with this kind of abuse?
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: poo poo head
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: is that abuse
[2008/02/24 14:42] Bromo Ivory: Pat - you dish it out as well
[2008/02/24 14:42] You: political griefer? pph? arse?
[2008/02/24 14:42] ThePrincess Parisi: i feel abused when you dont let me talk
[2008/02/24 14:43] MT Lundquist: and i'm talking straight in a private discussion
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: DO YOU KNOW YOU PISSED OF FF SALSZIE
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: DID YOU SEE SALZIE LEAVE PAT
[2008/02/24 14:43] MT Lundquist: this is not in the record to be fair pat
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: oh that was not........
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: that wasnt me
[2008/02/24 14:43] You: yes, she butted in halfway through the meeting
[2008/02/24 14:43] You: inappropriately
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: listen, what is best for CDS.. do you want to kown
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: NO
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: we are here for citizens pat
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: we WANT them to participate
[2008/02/24 14:43] You: i think you all need to grow up a bit
[2008/02/24 14:43] ThePrincess Parisi: we want them to talk
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: no you need to be reasonable.. pat im trying to help
[2008/02/24 14:44] Bromo Ivory: I do know that you do not like Beathan's Roberts Rules - but it is clear ot me at least, that as we get bigger the potential for disruption will only grow.
[2008/02/24 14:44] MT Lundquist: Pat as i say if you worked for me
[2008/02/24 14:44] MT Lundquist: you wouldnt for very long
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: well i wont fire you.. but i think you have to really think of the good of the publiec
[2008/02/24 14:44] You: just as well i don't then, eh?
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: and that ehy need to feel its fair
[2008/02/24 14:44] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/02/24 14:44] MT Lundquist: lol
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: you two both work in nonfireable jobs
[2008/02/24 14:44] You: i think you are both harrassing me
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: good think you arent private sector
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: well im trying to help
[2008/02/24 14:44] ThePrincess Parisi: but i wont talk to you then
[2008/02/24 14:45] Bromo Ivory: It does not sound as if this is being very productive
[2008/02/24 14:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i think we can talk about it
[2008/02/24 14:45] You: you've engaged in a campaign against me ever since this term started
[2008/02/24 14:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i was trying to
[2008/02/24 14:45] ThePrincess Parisi: WHAT?
[2008/02/24 14:45] You: and gossiped and lied
[2008/02/24 14:45] MT Lundquist: what
[2008/02/24 14:45] MT Lundquist: get real pat
[2008/02/24 14:45] You: i'm not wasting any more time on you. goodbye
