See http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1768 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 6 April 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "===" inserted to separate agenda items
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[2008/04/06 12:05] Teleport completed from
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Alpine+Meadow/182/208/54
[2008/04/06 12:05] ThePrincess Parisi: and its the govts right to take it way if they want commercial property
[2008/04/06 12:05] Justice Soothsayer: hi Jamie
[2008/04/06 12:05] MT Lundquist: hi jamie
[2008/04/06 12:05] You: ah thanks for the TP Beathan
[2008/04/06 12:05] You: and apologies for being - hm - 3 minutes late
[2008/04/06 12:06] You: please bear with me while we get arranged -
[2008/04/06 12:06] ThePrincess Parisi: i think the govt can take your land if you dont use it commericially
[2008/04/06 12:06] Danton Sideways: if you make that legislation, yes
[2008/04/06 12:07] ThePrincess Parisi: its already in the legistaltion sorry
[2008/04/06 12:07] MT Lundquist gave you Commerce Commision Recommendations.
[2008/04/06 12:07] ThePrincess Parisi: way before us
[2008/04/06 12:07] Danton Sideways: what if i use it commercially but fail to make any money?
[2008/04/06 12:07] You: MT, I just got your notecard, thanks
[2008/04/06 12:07] You: maybe post that to forums also?
[2008/04/06 12:07] ThePrincess Parisi: then if you have traffic it might be ok
[2008/04/06 12:07] ThePrincess Parisi: depends how commerical is defined
[2008/04/06 12:07] Danton Sideways: how about a storefront association, that should be in commercial zoning
[2008/04/06 12:07] You: and to all present, let me ping SOnja before we start - with only 5 members seated I like to try and get ecveryone if we can
[2008/04/06 12:08] Beathan Vale: I think policing profits would be a nightmare -- we run on appearance
[2008/04/06 12:08] You: oo :) events overtook me
[2008/04/06 12:08] ThePrincess Parisi: a storefront associaion what do you mean?
[2008/04/06 12:08] You: Hi Sonja, thx
[2008/04/06 12:08] Sonja Strom: hi everybody
[2008/04/06 12:08] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja is here
[2008/04/06 12:08] Beathan Vale: further, commercial use could be nonprofit, informational, etc.
[2008/04/06 12:08] Sonja Strom: I assent to being recorded :-)
[2008/04/06 12:08] Danton Sideways: non-profit association with a storefront office
[2008/04/06 12:08] MT Lundquist: hi sonja
[2008/04/06 12:08] Beathan Vale: yep
[2008/04/06 12:08] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/04/06 12:08] You: Ladies and gentlemen: are we ready to begin? Can that chat wait, as all are present?
[2008/04/06 12:08] ThePrincess Parisi: it depends if it meetis the definition of commercial danton
[2008/04/06 12:08] ThePrincess Parisi: that might be ok
[2008/04/06 12:09] Danton Sideways: :)
[2008/04/06 12:09] You: ??
[2008/04/06 12:09] You: not hearing any objection to starting the meeting ...
[2008/04/06 12:09] ThePrincess Parisi: go on
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[2008/04/06 12:10] You: Thx, we're in session, then. Our agenda as proposed is posted here
[2008/04/06 12:10] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1749
[2008/04/06 12:10] You: we will ask for changesi in a moment
[2008/04/06 12:10] You: 1a
[2008/04/06 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: ok but let me see it first
[2008/04/06 12:10] xThePrincess: ok but let me see it first
[2008/04/06 12:10] MT Lundquist: agree to being recorded
[2008/04/06 12:10] Beathan Vale: ditto
[2008/04/06 12:10] You: Would everyone present please assent in chat to the recording and re-posting of this session-- or else just not speak :) I assent
[2008/04/06 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: agree
[2008/04/06 12:10] xThePrincess: agree
[2008/04/06 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: aye
[2008/04/06 12:11] Justice Soothsayer: I assent
[2008/04/06 12:11] Sonja Strom: I assent
[2008/04/06 12:11] Danton Sideways: assent
[2008/04/06 12:11] ThePrincess Parisi: i do have something to add that is urgent though
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: i do 'ave somethin' t' add that be urgent though
[2008/04/06 12:11] You: Beathan, if we missed anyone, would you check for me and get them on record as assenting please?
[2008/04/06 12:11] You: Understood prin - that's up now
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[2008/04/06 12:11] You: 1b
[2008/04/06 12:11] Beathan Vale: everyone assented
[2008/04/06 12:11] ThePrincess Parisi: see the ppl who are running the election are the same ppl who caused that
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: see th' ppl who are runnin' th' election are th' same ppl who caused that
[2008/04/06 12:11] You: Agenda changes :)
[2008/04/06 12:11] ThePrincess Parisi: and
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: 'n
[2008/04/06 12:11] ThePrincess Parisi: i say its unconstitutional
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: Gangway! i say its unconstitutional
[2008/04/06 12:11] ThePrincess Parisi: and
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: 'n
[2008/04/06 12:11] You: Prin. :) is this a proposal for an agenda change?
[2008/04/06 12:11] ThePrincess Parisi: there is now no SC
[2008/04/06 12:11] You: (I suspect so)
[2008/04/06 12:11] xThePrincess: thar be now no SC
[2008/04/06 12:11] Beathan Vale: TP -- you are echoing
[2008/04/06 12:11] You: hang on hang on
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: so we have to not bring ti to anyone
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: so we 'ave t' nah brin' ti t' anyone
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: im a pirate
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: Hoist the Jolly Roger! im a pirate
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: Yo ho ho an' a bottle o' rum! sorry
[2008/04/06 12:12] You: Prin your echo-er is speaking Pirate at us - amusing, but inconvenient. Please turn it off
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: oh right im doing this to make a point
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: oh right im doin' this t' make a point
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: that CDS is a mans toy game
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: that CDS be a mans toy game
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: not a community
[2008/04/06 12:12] MT Lundquist: i have the commerce commission recommendations
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: nah a community
[2008/04/06 12:12] ThePrincess Parisi: and the SC is a farce
[2008/04/06 12:12] xThePrincess: 'n th' SC be a farce
[2008/04/06 12:12] You: Heh. Prin do you have a suggetsion for an added agenda item? PLEASE say WHAT it is, how long, and anything else we need to add it to the agenda.
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: and what we need to do is rule the actions of the SC unconstitutional
[2008/04/06 12:13] xThePrincess: Land ho! 'n wha' we needs t' do be rule th' actions o' th' SC unconstitutional
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/04/06 12:13] xThePrincess: aye
[2008/04/06 12:13] Beathan Vale: I have confidence in the election officials and see no reason to disrupt the process
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: we have a emergency and its urgent
[2008/04/06 12:13] xThePrincess: Splice the mainbrace! we 'ave a emergency 'n its urgent
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: we do have an emergency
[2008/04/06 12:13] You: And I ask you to refrain from personal characterizations of another government branch. What need we do as the RA, Prin, if anything?
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: the election can not go on
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/04/06 12:13] You: THE ONLY THING now pertinent is changing the agenda. Will you have an agenda item on this?
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: well see gywn and justice cause the need for the election
[2008/04/06 12:13] ThePrincess Parisi: and then they ruled on every matter
[2008/04/06 12:14] You: I note Justice is present. (Hi there, welcome)
[2008/04/06 12:14] ThePrincess Parisi: and gwyen sat in on the meetings with CSDF and then SC
[2008/04/06 12:14] Beathan Vale: Cindy please assent to chat publication
[2008/04/06 12:14] ThePrincess Parisi: and then it is now that they are running and we need to make sure that is knwon that it is unconstitutional.. but
[2008/04/06 12:14] Cindy Ecksol: I consent
[2008/04/06 12:14] ThePrincess Parisi: we have no SC to take it to
[2008/04/06 12:14] ThePrincess Parisi: cos now the SC is running for RA
[2008/04/06 12:14] You: Prin I will ask you to finish your agenda-related comments in 60 seconds, then I have a suggestion.
[2008/04/06 12:14] ThePrincess Parisi: i think we all need to stop ........im done
[2008/04/06 12:15] ThePrincess Parisi: agenda item
[2008/04/06 12:15] ThePrincess Parisi: discuss SC and its issues
[2008/04/06 12:15] You: OK. Yes or no. Do you have amotion to pass legislaton or another RA act about that issue at this meeting?
[2008/04/06 12:15] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/04/06 12:15] You: I understand discussion - but I know of no bill or act, YET
[2008/04/06 12:15] ThePrincess Parisi: a motion to discuss and it is URGENT
[2008/04/06 12:15] ThePrincess Parisi: emergency
[2008/04/06 12:15] ThePrincess Parisi: the election is unconstitutional
[2008/04/06 12:15] You: OK then it will have to go - per our own rules - AFTER preexisting items - so that's after 6 and before 7
[2008/04/06 12:15] Cindy Ecksol needs a beer already and the meeting hasn't even started....
[2008/04/06 12:16] You: I don't see Alexi here so maybe we save time today due to no Chancellor report
[2008/04/06 12:16] ThePrincess Parisi: then it wont happen
[2008/04/06 12:16] You: yes, Cindy, it has :)
[2008/04/06 12:16] ThePrincess Parisi: well he wont be there
[2008/04/06 12:16] ThePrincess Parisi: hes sending arria or some crap
[2008/04/06 12:16] You: OK then Prin, hush a sec. Does anyone object to a new agenda item 6-point-5 about Prin's concern for 10 minutes?
[2008/04/06 12:16] Beathan Vale: no -- add it
[2008/04/06 12:16] You: Prin that's out of order. Cease all personal comments please.
[2008/04/06 12:16] You: no objections?
[2008/04/06 12:16] MT Lundquist: no objection
[2008/04/06 12:17] ThePrincess Parisi: in guild they said that arria was coming in place of alexicon sorry
[2008/04/06 12:17] You: OK we have a 6-and-one-half. Can we also add Beathan's plan to report out the Commierce Commission results?
[2008/04/06 12:17] MT Lundquist: MTs
[2008/04/06 12:17] You: Rats sorry
[2008/04/06 12:17] You: to both of you
[2008/04/06 12:17] MT Lundquist: np
[2008/04/06 12:17] Beathan Vale: ? I have no plan related to the Commerce Commission
[2008/04/06 12:17] ThePrincess Parisi: MT does
[2008/04/06 12:18] You: OK to add, say, what, 10 minutes before Prin's issue? I think THIS one is less likely to be fractious (maybe) :)
[2008/04/06 12:18] Cindy Ecksol: :-)
[2008/04/06 12:18] ThePrincess Parisi: i told you he had recs from the commerce commission over a weekago
[2008/04/06 12:18] You: So item 6-point-two-five for 10 mins, hmm? any objections?
[2008/04/06 12:18] You: .me smiles and waits to hear objections
[2008/04/06 12:18] Beathan Vale: no obj
[2008/04/06 12:18] You: kk
[2008/04/06 12:19] Jack Daniels Whiskey whispers: watch that third sip
[2008/04/06 12:19] You: we have an agenda - with the 2 changes noted - and we'll handle it on the fly if Arria or Alexi show up
[2008/04/06 12:19] You: and someone pass me that whisky :)
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[2008/04/06 12:19] You: next item
[2008/04/06 12:19] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/04/06 12:19] You: 1c
[2008/04/06 12:19] Cindy Ecksol: me passes the bottle of Jack Daniels to Jamie
[2008/04/06 12:19] ThePrincess Parisi: beathan is next
[2008/04/06 12:19] You: does any non RA memebr wish to speak on items today? You get get to the heda of the line under our rules by saying so now :)
[2008/04/06 12:20] ThePrincess Parisi: i am sure i will
[2008/04/06 12:20] Justice Soothsayer: If you ever get to TP
[2008/04/06 12:20] Jamie Palisades looks around for type-y gestures?
[2008/04/06 12:20] Justice Soothsayer: I would like to address her comments about the election
[2008/04/06 12:20] You: RA need not so indicate :) the rules assume we talk a lot already (wry smile)
[2008/04/06 12:20] You: Got it - Justice on item - hm - 6-1/2
[2008/04/06 12:20] Beathan Vale: thanks for the hooch TP
[2008/04/06 12:20] You: any others?
[2008/04/06 12:20] Cindy Ecksol: I too would like to talk about that (after Justice) if we get to it
[2008/04/06 12:20] ThePrincess Parisi: yw
[2008/04/06 12:21] ThePrincess Parisi: we need it
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: hearing none
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[2008/04/06 12:21] You: next item
[2008/04/06 12:21] *Drinks* Elite Rum & Coke whispers: Courtesy of Club Elite
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: 1d
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: Routine notice - please check my posted transcripts :)
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: please note
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: if you have changes, comment them in :)
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: also note I am putting a summary of action items in separately
[2008/04/06 12:21] ThePrincess Parisi: ok we will when we get time
[2008/04/06 12:21] You: unofficial, but maybe handy for those who aren't into deep textual analysis
[2008/04/06 12:22] You: and finally :)
[2008/04/06 12:22] You: I do not have posting rights to the LRA-only board, so have 'moved' a bunch of stuff there -- if a post from me says "(Archival)' oin the subject you can safely ignore it
[2008/04/06 12:22] You: :)
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[2008/04/06 12:22] You: next item
[2008/04/06 12:22] You: 1e
[2008/04/06 12:23] You: I was late today, sorry - SL, but also, just getting home from church
[2008/04/06 12:23] Sonja Strom: np Jamie :-)
[2008/04/06 12:23] ThePrincess Parisi: we should change the time of RA so you can go to churge
[2008/04/06 12:23] You: any chance of actio on our inforaml chats about moving this mtg either to Saturday, or an hour later on Sunday, until the new RA membes are seated?
[2008/04/06 12:23] ThePrincess Parisi: chuch
[2008/04/06 12:23] MT Lundquist: my problem is sleep
[2008/04/06 12:23] Sonja Strom: we could talk about that, sure.
[2008/04/06 12:23] MT Lundquist: i should be sleeping now
[2008/04/06 12:23] You: (i have been told other Western North America attendees have a issue too)
[2008/04/06 12:23] You: indeed
[2008/04/06 12:23] MT Lundquist: later makes it worse
[2008/04/06 12:23] MT Lundquist: sorry
[2008/04/06 12:23] You: what about Sat?
[2008/04/06 12:24] MT Lundquist: sats ok
[2008/04/06 12:24] Sonja Strom: Saturday is fine for me.
[2008/04/06 12:24] ThePrincess Parisi: saturday is ok with me
[2008/04/06 12:24] ThePrincess Parisi: then guild can and will go on all day sunday
[2008/04/06 12:24] Beathan Vale: I have a County convention to attend on the 19th
[2008/04/06 12:24] Jamie Palisades checks hi iPhone workd clock, sees 20h43 UK time
[2008/04/06 12:24] Sonja Strom: Maybe we could move to Saturdays after the 19th?
[2008/04/06 12:24] Beathan Vale: and at other times of year do volunteet work on Sats -- but that is over until next fall
[2008/04/06 12:24] Sonja Strom: oh
[2008/04/06 12:24] You: hm - 19th is sat?
[2008/04/06 12:25] Beathan Vale: and, if I am a state delegate, I will have at least one other Sat commitment
[2008/04/06 12:25] ThePrincess Parisi: toga
[2008/04/06 12:25] ThePrincess Parisi: wow beathan thats awesome
[2008/04/06 12:25] Beathan Vale: but -- Sats are probably generally ok
[2008/04/06 12:25] Danton Sideways: Sat SL noon in France is 9 pm - hard if you have a RL
[2008/04/06 12:25] You: hmm what about considerably earlier on sat or sun?
[2008/04/06 12:25] You: oui Danton
[2008/04/06 12:25] You: what about 3 or 4 hours earlier on sat or sun?
[2008/04/06 12:25] You: RA emmebrs?
[2008/04/06 12:25] Beathan Vale: Hi BJ -- please consent to chat publication
[2008/04/06 12:25] ThePrincess Parisi: aok
[2008/04/06 12:26] Sonja Strom: fine with me :)
[2008/04/06 12:26] MT Lundquist: 3 or 4 earlier is ok with me
[2008/04/06 12:26] Beathan Vale: should be OK
[2008/04/06 12:26] You: I'd like to propose 9 am SLT Saturday
[2008/04/06 12:26] You: see what that trial balloon gets
[2008/04/06 12:26] Beathan Vale: second
[2008/04/06 12:26] ThePrincess Parisi: third
[2008/04/06 12:26] Jamie Palisades looks around quizzically, sees no fierce obj
[2008/04/06 12:26] MT Lundquist: fine with me
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: OK then - let's use it next week, see how it works, and thanks
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: item over
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[2008/04/06 12:27] You: next
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: 1f
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: consent calendar
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: I got nothing - anyone?
[2008/04/06 12:27] ThePrincess Parisi: what is it
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: :)
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: completely noncontroversial stuff we can just pass without debate
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: did that for Alexi's CN hub issue last week
[2008/04/06 12:27] You: it's a nice device from Beathan's rule changes
[2008/04/06 12:28] ThePrincess Parisi: that the elections are a farce and political griefing?
[2008/04/06 12:28] You: but I see nothing like that this week .. so ...
[2008/04/06 12:28] ThePrincess Parisi: can we do that one
[2008/04/06 12:28] You: as a consent item ? heh - no
[2008/04/06 12:28] Beathan Vale: not bloody likely
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[2008/04/06 12:28] You: next item
[2008/04/06 12:28] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/04/06 12:28] You: :) hush all
[2008/04/06 12:28] ThePrincess Parisi: ahoy then
[2008/04/06 12:28] Cindy Ecksol laughs hysterically
[2008/04/06 12:28] You: we are on item 2
[2008/04/06 12:28] You: but got no Chancellor
[2008/04/06 12:28] You: so I will ask him to come next week, hm?
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[2008/04/06 12:28] You: item 3
[2008/04/06 12:28] ThePrincess Parisi: i cussed him out ? :((
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: Celeb Our Volunteers - please note -
[2008/04/06 12:29] ThePrincess Parisi: oh wow
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: one of the things about beathan's agenda rule changes, which we adopted -
[2008/04/06 12:29] ThePrincess Parisi: finally
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: is that we should not let agenda items age like fine wine :) so -
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: oldest stuff gets handled first
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: :)
[2008/04/06 12:29] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you ...................
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: Prin? Can you direct us to the post with the proposed bill?
[2008/04/06 12:29] Sonja Strom: Welcome Bjerkel and Pip, please assent to being recorded if you would.
[2008/04/06 12:29] ThePrincess Parisi: well i wrote it so long ago i dont know what it was
[2008/04/06 12:29] You: want to do it this week or next then?
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: i think that it was something mizou wanted when she was workign on the guided tour with me
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: this week
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: im typing
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: but see
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: alexicon has been asked several times for the money for the tour by me
[2008/04/06 12:30] You: OK :) 10 mins on agenda for it, I'm a happy presiding officer uuntil 12h40 SLT
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: and i don t get the money so i dont know what to do.. but the bill..................................
[2008/04/06 12:30] You: ahem
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: for the volunteers
[2008/04/06 12:30] You: volunteers = in order. Tour, or personal remarks = not
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: is as writen
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: what ? do you have any questions
[2008/04/06 12:30] You: yes
[2008/04/06 12:30] ThePrincess Parisi: its pretty clear i think
[2008/04/06 12:31] ThePrincess Parisi: ok jamie shoot
[2008/04/06 12:31] You: I can;t vote for it if I can;t find it :) I have this thing about knowing the bills - where's the text?
[2008/04/06 12:31] ThePrincess Parisi: i have notecards
[2008/04/06 12:31] You: cool -please bomb away?
[2008/04/06 12:31] ThePrincess Parisi gave you Celebrating our volunteers Bill.
[2008/04/06 12:31] ThePrincess Parisi: passing them out
[2008/04/06 12:31] ThePrincess Parisi: before i pass out
[2008/04/06 12:32] ThePrincess Parisi: did everyone get one
[2008/04/06 12:32] Sonja Strom: yes
[2008/04/06 12:32] Justice Soothsayer: yes, thanks
[2008/04/06 12:32] ThePrincess Parisi: yw
[2008/04/06 12:32] You: I have a notecard with five items, essentially it would designate some coommunity real estate, create an event, and put a duty on the chancellor
[2008/04/06 12:32] ThePrincess Parisi: this was submitted motns ago
[2008/04/06 12:32] ThePrincess Parisi: months
[2008/04/06 12:32] You: I see little that's controversial - is there discussion?
[2008/04/06 12:32] ThePrincess Parisi: what is controversial
[2008/04/06 12:32] Cindy Ecksol thinks "Actually a little more than one month...."
[2008/04/06 12:32] ThePrincess Parisi: i like it i wrote than it
[2008/04/06 12:32] You: nuthin' :)
[2008/04/06 12:33] ThePrincess Parisi: no it was months ago cindy
[2008/04/06 12:33] Jamie Palisades is hearing no arguments :)
[2008/04/06 12:33] You: ready for a vote? OK, Members please state your vote. I vote aye
[2008/04/06 12:33] MT Lundquist: I'm happy with the concept
[2008/04/06 12:33] Sonja Strom: I still think we should name roads and streets after people who have contributed a lot to the CDS, but that does not have to be included in this bill.
[2008/04/06 12:33] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/04/06 12:33] ThePrincess Parisi: oh true! we should sonja
[2008/04/06 12:33] ThePrincess Parisi: lets add that
[2008/04/06 12:33] Sonja Strom: For some reason my feeling that way is controversial :-\
[2008/04/06 12:34] Arria Perreault: Hi all
[2008/04/06 12:34] You: Sonja - can we do that as another agenda item? Wwe're in middle of a vote --- I think
[2008/04/06 12:34] ThePrincess Parisi: weeks ago i mean .. not months
[2008/04/06 12:34] Sonja Strom: Hi Arria, welcome. Please assent to being recorded.
[2008/04/06 12:34] Arria Perreault: I agree
[2008/04/06 12:34] Sonja Strom: Oh, we are voting? Sorry, I did not see that...
[2008/04/06 12:34] Danton Sideways: Can I comment?
[2008/04/06 12:34] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/04/06 12:35] You: sigh - to be clear, I have called for a vote on Prin's notecard, the Celeb our Volunteers bill. I have 2 votes in favor and 3 who have not voted
[2008/04/06 12:35] Beathan Vale: I need to coment too
[2008/04/06 12:35] Beathan Vale: crashed
[2008/04/06 12:35] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/04/06 12:35] You: I suggest that I stop and cancel the vote
[2008/04/06 12:35] ThePrincess Parisi: why?
[2008/04/06 12:35] You: as the other two RA members who have not voted, plus one citizen, wish to speak. OK?
[2008/04/06 12:35] You: for which we have 5 minutes left :) so: Sonja, then Beathan, then Danton, please? One minute each?
[2008/04/06 12:36] You: anything Sonja?
[2008/04/06 12:36] Sonja Strom: I am ready to vote - I just wanted to say the one thing that I did already. I would, however, like to hear what Danton wants to say.
[2008/04/06 12:36] You: OK. Beathan?
[2008/04/06 12:36] ThePrincess Parisi: im fur it
[2008/04/06 12:36] Beathan Vale: Sudane -- and some other volunteers -- mostly declined recognition, but this proposal does not seem to givem them a right to opt out -- we should not pass a measure that recognizes people who do not seek or want such recognition -- however, with an opt out it could be OK
[2008/04/06 12:37] ThePrincess Parisi: of course they can
[2008/04/06 12:37] You: Is that a proposed amendment to specify that designate honorees can opt out? :)
[2008/04/06 12:37] Beathan Vale: Also -- the measure does not specify how we should recognize our volunteers -- I'm not sure what it does without that process detail
[2008/04/06 12:37] ThePrincess Parisi points at beathan: lawyer
[2008/04/06 12:37] You: well BV i'd say it leaves that to the Chancellor :)
[2008/04/06 12:37] You: yes or no on wanting an amendment, please?
[2008/04/06 12:37] ThePrincess Parisi: it says they go in the museum.......
[2008/04/06 12:37] Beathan Vale: OK
[2008/04/06 12:37] Jamie Palisades makes a friendly shush sound
[2008/04/06 12:38] Sonja Strom: Beathan, do you have an amendment to propose?
[2008/04/06 12:38] Beathan Vale: we put our volunteers in the museum? hmmm
[2008/04/06 12:38] ThePrincess Parisi: it was mizou's idea
[2008/04/06 12:38] You: OK any OBJECTIONS to the FRIENDLY Beathan amendment about opting-out?
[2008/04/06 12:38] ThePrincess Parisi: it goes with the tour
[2008/04/06 12:38] Jamie Palisades looks around
[2008/04/06 12:38] MT Lundquist: no
[2008/04/06 12:38] ThePrincess Parisi: i talked to you about it at the time .. long ago beathan
[2008/04/06 12:38] Beathan Vale: yes, please add an "opt out" -- "any volunteer proposed to be honored shall be contacted and may decline the honor"
[2008/04/06 12:38] Sonja Strom: I am in favor of such an amendment.
[2008/04/06 12:38] You: :) got it
[2008/04/06 12:38] MT Lundquist: me to
[2008/04/06 12:38] Beathan Vale: TP -- yes, but not in the text
[2008/04/06 12:38] You: if I hear no objections, it's so amended by acclaimation
[2008/04/06 12:38] You: OK then :)
[2008/04/06 12:39] You: We are on the motion as amended - and it's Danton' turn - and we will be out of time shortly after that
[2008/04/06 12:39] You: Danton?
[2008/04/06 12:39] Danton Sideways: On the surface it seems like a fine idea to recognize contributors
[2008/04/06 12:39] Danton Sideways: But this motion disturbs coming from who it does at the present time
[2008/04/06 12:40] Danton Sideways: It is as if one party has assassinated another and then wants to enshrine them
[2008/04/06 12:40] ThePrincess Parisi: lol...........it was submitted ages ago danton.. and thank you for your comment
[2008/04/06 12:40] Jamie Palisades gives Danton that no-personalities look
[2008/04/06 12:40] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/04/06 12:40] You: we done?
[2008/04/06 12:40] ThePrincess Parisi: may i speak
[2008/04/06 12:40] You: we ready to vote? If it's NEW and pertinent, sure Prin
[2008/04/06 12:40] ThePrincess Parisi: the week after i proposed it your party proposed a simiar thing.. don tworry hun
[2008/04/06 12:40] ThePrincess Parisi: its not a evil plot
[2008/04/06 12:41] Beathan Vale: I accept Danton's amendment that we add a term "the first act of recognition is the cast all CSDF members in bronze and store them in the museum basement" -- ;-)
[2008/04/06 12:41] Beathan Vale: lol
[2008/04/06 12:41] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/04/06 12:41] Sonja Strom: lol
[2008/04/06 12:41] Danton Sideways: :)
[2008/04/06 12:41] MT Lundquist: lol
[2008/04/06 12:41] ThePrincess Parisi: MOOONNNNN!!
[2008/04/06 12:41] You: knock it off y'all
[2008/04/06 12:41] ThePrincess Parisi: a statute of MOON
[2008/04/06 12:41] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry
[2008/04/06 12:41] You: just stop
[2008/04/06 12:41] Beathan Vale: kk
[2008/04/06 12:41] You: Members please state your vote - on notecard motion as amended by Beathan's friendly amendment. I vote aye
[2008/04/06 12:41] Beathan Vale: aye
[2008/04/06 12:41] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/04/06 12:41] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/04/06 12:41] ThePrincess Parisi: put moon in as the frist inducteee ok .. aye im serious
[2008/04/06 12:42] You: ok unanimous
[2008/04/06 12:42] ThePrincess Parisi: i did this with jon danton
[2008/04/06 12:42] MT Lundquist: and i second if thats needed
[2008/04/06 12:42] You: :)
[2008/04/06 12:42] ThePrincess Parisi: sheesh
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[2008/04/06 12:42] You: next item
[2008/04/06 12:42] You: 4
[2008/04/06 12:42] You: Greener SIms - please note:
[2008/04/06 12:42] You: the bill's in the forum posts, at the URI I put in today's agenda
[2008/04/06 12:42] You: is anyone carryign the ball on this?
[2008/04/06 12:42] Beathan Vale: It was Pat's
[2008/04/06 12:42] Sonja Strom: It was a CSDF proposal.
[2008/04/06 12:43] Sonja Strom: I would like to make a statement about it.
[2008/04/06 12:43] You: That does not relieve us of our duty to address open agenda items :)
[2008/04/06 12:43] Beathan Vale: But it is on the CSDF platform -- and I have indicated that I will champion their platform in their absence
[2008/04/06 12:43] You: OK, SOnja, then BV please
[2008/04/06 12:43] Sonja Strom: I have talked with many people about this bill, including in the DPU (naturally), in the CDSF, and elsewhere.
[2008/04/06 12:44] Sonja Strom: One of those people is an expert in this area in RL - and was completely opposed to this bill.
[2008/04/06 12:44] Sonja Strom: My conclusion is to be against it.
[2008/04/06 12:44] Sonja Strom: done --
[2008/04/06 12:45] ThePrincess Parisi: ok thanks ss
[2008/04/06 12:45] You: OK
[2008/04/06 12:45] You: BV?
[2008/04/06 12:45] Beathan Vale: The purpose of this bill is to have the CDS take a lead in a RL political issue -- carbon banking and global warming
[2008/04/06 12:45] Beathan Vale: I have confirmed that such carbon credits are available, but not commonly used yet in the US, as we are not a signatory to Kyoto
[2008/04/06 12:46] Sonja Strom: Welcome Gwyneth.
[2008/04/06 12:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn tries not to interrupt the sesion
[2008/04/06 12:46] Beathan Vale: However, carbon banking is one of Obama's central environmental proposals -- and McCain is not against it
[2008/04/06 12:46] Beathan Vale: so -- I think it is coming.
[2008/04/06 12:46] Beathan Vale: That is my spiel in favor
[2008/04/06 12:46] Beathan Vale: putting on my own hat -- I think that this proposal in its current form in premature
[2008/04/06 12:47] Beathan Vale: I would like to amend it to add "the chancellor shall investigate the possiblity and feasibility of the following proposal --"
[2008/04/06 12:47] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/04/06 12:47] Beathan Vale: I think we want to do this -- but it will be hard to do at the moment
[2008/04/06 12:47] MT Lundquist: i would be happy with that amendment
[2008/04/06 12:47] ThePrincess Parisi: well i think we should wait
[2008/04/06 12:47] You: hm
[2008/04/06 12:47] ThePrincess Parisi: and let it be rewrited and researched
[2008/04/06 12:47] Beathan Vale: I think this will and should happen -- but not until we know that the RL infrastructure exists in a way that we can access
[2008/04/06 12:47] You: I have a comment and a suggestion. My personal comment is that, while I think we want to keep this item for work, I think it would be best done with stakeholders present- AND there's no timing issue for adoption so far as I know - so I'd be inclined to hold it over until after the new 2 RA members are seated. Reactions?
[2008/04/06 12:48] Beathan Vale: done
[2008/04/06 12:48] Sonja Strom: Beathan, that sounds like a good idea, but I don't think we should add that to the Chancellor's job... Unless, of course, he is interested in it himself.
[2008/04/06 12:48] ThePrincess Parisi: ok with me jamie
[2008/04/06 12:48] Beathan Vale: second JP's procedural proposal
[2008/04/06 12:48] You: ac now, or in a month?
[2008/04/06 12:48] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont think the chancellor is the place
[2008/04/06 12:48] You: anyone want to forge ahead now?
[2008/04/06 12:48] ThePrincess Parisi: ok i agree jamie
[2008/04/06 12:48] Sonja Strom: Jamie, I agree.
[2008/04/06 12:48] You: .. not hearing objections
[2008/04/06 12:48] MT Lundquist: happy to wait
[2008/04/06 12:48] You: OK then thanks
[2008/04/06 12:48] ThePrincess Parisi: stop til the new RA .. or old ra are back
[2008/04/06 12:48] Beathan Vale: Sonja -- he's not here to defend himself -- that's how we assign committee chair IRL
[2008/04/06 12:48] You: I love the issue - just think we need some more people in place for it
[2008/04/06 12:48] Beathan Vale: whoever misses the meeting has to chair
[2008/04/06 12:48] You: :)
[2008/04/06 12:49] You: next item
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[2008/04/06 12:49] Sonja Strom: heehee Beathan, that will teach him not to be here :-)
[2008/04/06 12:49] You: and hm - did we get the last few attendees to consent to being recorded?
[2008/04/06 12:49] You: next item is 5
[2008/04/06 12:49] Sonja Strom: not yet
[2008/04/06 12:49] Beathan Vale: didn't see Gwyn
[2008/04/06 12:49] Sonja Strom: Pip, Gwyn, Arria, Bjerkel?
[2008/04/06 12:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh... sure, record everything lol
[2008/04/06 12:49] You: We offered to have the Guild back to report on their progress on fourth sim planning - PLEASE note -
[2008/04/06 12:49] Beathan Vale: now everyone has
[2008/04/06 12:50] Bjerkel Eerie: sure
[2008/04/06 12:50] You: this is NOT the same thing as the new legislation issues
[2008/04/06 12:50] You: thans BV - OK - on item 5 - do we have any guild folks here to rpoert?
[2008/04/06 12:50] ThePrincess Parisi: cindy is here
[2008/04/06 12:50] Cindy Ecksol does not speak for the guild
[2008/04/06 12:50] You: I wasn't at Guild - anything formally or informally that we should know about plans and timing, Cindy, that you can say, OTHER than the various ideas about new legislation?
[2008/04/06 12:50] ThePrincess Parisi: no guild
[2008/04/06 12:51] You: OK then
[2008/04/06 12:51] Cindy Ecksol: arria is here....
[2008/04/06 12:51] ThePrincess Parisi: they made a committee this week
[2008/04/06 12:51] ThePrincess Parisi: last week they took two hours to vote on a logo
[2008/04/06 12:51] ThePrincess Parisi: thats what i surmized
[2008/04/06 12:51] Sonja Strom: sounds like us...
[2008/04/06 12:51] Arria Perreault: We have created a wg to work on masterplan
[2008/04/06 12:51] Jamie Palisades is waiting to hear from Arria if she wishes before proceeding
[2008/04/06 12:51] Beathan Vale: Moon on way -- just give her a minute
[2008/04/06 12:51] Arria Perreault: ok I prefer
[2008/04/06 12:51] Sonja Strom: wg = work group?
[2008/04/06 12:52] Arria Perreault: yes
[2008/04/06 12:52] Beathan Vale: she is dealing with a RL kitchen flood apparently
[2008/04/06 12:52] Sonja Strom: uh oh
[2008/04/06 12:52] You: yikes
[2008/04/06 12:52] Beathan Vale: good practice for making dry land rise from the waters
[2008/04/06 12:52] You: well we can movg thigns around - everyuone OK if we go to next item, and come back to this?
[2008/04/06 12:52] Cindy Ecksol: Jamie, to clarify prin's semantically loaded rhetoric....
[2008/04/06 12:52] MT Lundquist: fine
[2008/04/06 12:52] ThePrincess Parisi: agree
[2008/04/06 12:52] Sonja Strom: agree
[2008/04/06 12:52] You: Cindy, hold for now please?
[2008/04/06 12:52] Cindy Ecksol: ok....
[2008/04/06 12:52] ThePrincess Parisi: she needs to translate for me
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[2008/04/06 12:53] You: next item was our added "six and a quarter: ")
[2008/04/06 12:53] ThePrincess Parisi: its a cultural isse jamie
[2008/04/06 12:53] You: 6.25 =
[2008/04/06 12:53] Beathan Vale: Moon on way
[2008/04/06 12:53] Beathan Vale: Moon here
[2008/04/06 12:53] You: commerce commission
[2008/04/06 12:53] Moon Adamant: hello everyone
[2008/04/06 12:53] ThePrincess Parisi: mt has notecoards
[2008/04/06 12:53] Sonja Strom: Welcome Moon
[2008/04/06 12:53] You: Oopsie :)
[2008/04/06 12:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Moon :D
[2008/04/06 12:53] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/04/06 12:53] Moon Adamant: can i ask to be excused for a minute only?
[2008/04/06 12:53] Sonja Strom: sure
[2008/04/06 12:53] You: Ofcourse
[2008/04/06 12:53] ThePrincess Parisi: yes you were late we went on moon
[2008/04/06 12:53] MT Lundquist: i have concluded the commerce commission
[2008/04/06 12:53] Beathan Vale: yes -- we will move onto next item and come back
[2008/04/06 12:53] You: let me know when you;re sorted out OK Moon
[2008/04/06 12:54] You: item 6.25 is
[2008/04/06 12:54] You: commerce comimssion
[2008/04/06 12:54] You: MT?
[2008/04/06 12:54] MT Lundquist: i have a notecard that sets out the bill objectives and the commissions response and recommendations
[2008/04/06 12:54] MT Lundquist: i will pass it round now post on the forum after the meeting
[2008/04/06 12:55] MT Lundquist: and i propose we add it to next weeks agenda for people to get a reasonable time to read it
[2008/04/06 12:55] ThePrincess Parisi: comments now?
[2008/04/06 12:55] You: can you give us a summary?
[2008/04/06 12:55] MT Lundquist gave you Commerce Commision Recommendations.
[2008/04/06 12:55] Sonja Strom: Thanks for the notecard MT.
[2008/04/06 12:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you MT!
[2008/04/06 12:56] MT Lundquist: Recommendation Propose that the RA form a Chamber of Commerce for CDS. That this Chamber be made up of volunteer members from those holding and using for commercial purposes commercial land in CDS. That the leader of the Chamber of Commerce be elected by the members of the Chamber of Commerce every six months. That the Chamber of Commerce:
[2008/04/06 12:56] MT Lundquist: 1) supports the business community and advocates for its members by creating a strong local economy. Supporting the existing shop owners (by having the CDS launch promotional events and do some advertising; 2) promotes the community. Attracting new content creators willing to open a shop in the CDS; sponsoring events to attract customers; weekly social event shop promotion/events 3) provides networking opportunities. Financing a promotional campaign grid-wide to let the SL residents know that the CDS is a shopping destination for high quality products (and services). 4) represents the interests of business with government; 5) supports business-friendly ballot measures and evaluates candidates for public office.
[2008/04/06 12:56] MT Lundquist: It was noted that as at 23rd February 2008: in NFS there are 13 commercial lots with 2 not used and 1 provided for all citizens in CN there are 24 commercial lots with 3 empty, 1 museum, 1 info centre, 1 embassy
[2008/04/06 12:57] ThePrincess Parisi: i commend MT on handleing the commission so well
[2008/04/06 12:57] MT Lundquist: It was noted that as at 23rd February 2008: in NFS there are 13 commercial lots with 2 not used and 1 provided for all citizens in CN there are 24 commercial lots with 3 empty, 1 museum, 1 info centre, 1 embassy
[2008/04/06 12:57] ThePrincess Parisi: hear hear
[2008/04/06 12:57] You: (Ooookay - Moon and I are illustrating why we need a conflict of interest bill -- who wants to tell her? Hell I did not every know these chairs LET two people sit down ...)
[2008/04/06 12:57] MT Lundquist: That the commercial lot owner is to raise the traffic to the required level within a three week period; If the commercial criteria are not satisfied within the three week period the Chamber of Commerce can require the commercial lot owner to sell back the lot to the CDS government for market rate; The Chamber of Commerce is then required to sell the commercial lot to another commercial trader.
[2008/04/06 12:57] ThePrincess Parisi: what?
[2008/04/06 12:57] MT Lundquist: misc recommendations That renting commercial lots to another for subsequent trade be considered trade so long as the tenant satisfies the commercial use rules. For avoidance of doubt the tenant is not made a citizen of CDS merely as a result of being a tenant. That the Chamber of Commerce be allowed to rule on the appropriateness of trade i.e. if they receive complaints about the type of commercial activity. For instance it might be considered inappropriate for full nudity skin shops to operate in CDS. That logos for CDS commerce be developed. Direct tp to assist trade (recognised this now exists in CN but not yet in NFS) More actively recruit more offerings from local creators Add a set of LMs or product sample pictures and perhaps a MAP of all known CDS shops. Take that same shopping-in-CDS content and put it on a CDS wbe site page.
[2008/04/06 12:57] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie you are interrupting
[2008/04/06 12:57] Jamie Palisades smiles weakly - proceed please
[2008/04/06 12:57] Beathan Vale: Yikes -- unfunded and unsupported mandate alert
[2008/04/06 12:57] Sonja Strom: Moon is sitting in his lap ;-)
[2008/04/06 12:58] ThePrincess Parisi: oh my
[2008/04/06 12:58] Justice Soothsayer: those wings have gotta hurt
[2008/04/06 12:58] ThePrincess Parisi: oh oh
[2008/04/06 12:58] Jamie Palisades thinks about going there and veers off mentally
[2008/04/06 12:58] ThePrincess Parisi: gwyn has a sword jamie
[2008/04/06 12:58] Danton Sideways: wants to comment
[2008/04/06 12:58] You: ahem :)
[2008/04/06 12:58] You: MT, done?
[2008/04/06 12:58] Cindy Ecksol: aw, it's so cute!
[2008/04/06 12:58] You: we are not going to act today - but Danton?
[2008/04/06 12:58] ThePrincess Parisi: well done MT, yes, he's done
[2008/04/06 12:59] Moon Adamant: back
[2008/04/06 12:59] Danton Sideways: Can I comment?
[2008/04/06 12:59] MT Lundquist: yes ty
[2008/04/06 12:59] MT Lundquist: just passing the notecards out
[2008/04/06 12:59] MT Lundquist: but done
[2008/04/06 12:59] Cindy Ecksol waves at moon
[2008/04/06 12:59] Cindy Ecksol: Over here!
[2008/04/06 12:59] Sonja Strom: Thank you very much for all of the work you have done on this, MT.
[2008/04/06 12:59] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/04/06 12:59] You: :) Danton, please - then let's move on
[2008/04/06 13:00] Danton Sideways: I quote: That the commercial lot owner is to raise the traffic to the required level within a three week period
[2008/04/06 13:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ROFL and apologises
[2008/04/06 13:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry :)
[2008/04/06 13:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn was looking at Moon's sitting on top of the LRA
[2008/04/06 13:00] ThePrincess Parisi: probs at home gwynnie
[2008/04/06 13:00] Danton Sideways: This type of totalitarian control over my commercial activities reveals the true nature of the current government
[2008/04/06 13:00] Jamie Palisades whispers hush kids
[2008/04/06 13:00] Arria Perreault: May I have the word?
[2008/04/06 13:01] You: I have a request of Danton. I;m worried about confiscatory acts too. COUld you please post yoru take on this at the Forums as a comment to theMT post?
[2008/04/06 13:01] Danton Sideways: Will do
[2008/04/06 13:01] You: And yes, if Danton is done, it;s Arris'a turn
[2008/04/06 13:01] Sonja Strom: Welcome Rain.
[2008/04/06 13:01] You: Arria?
[2008/04/06 13:01] ThePrincess Parisi: hi raine
[2008/04/06 13:01] MT Lundquist: yes that would help its a summary of the recommendations discussed by citizens who attended
[2008/04/06 13:01] Rain Ninetails: :)
[2008/04/06 13:02] Beathan Vale: agree -- I want to see commercial uses supported, rather than lots forfeited -- we want to encourage and subsidize commerce, but not penalize alternative uses this severely
[2008/04/06 13:02] Arria Perreault: I think that the traffic is not the only indicator for a good commercial activity
[2008/04/06 13:02] Beathan Vale: ::nod::
[2008/04/06 13:02] Sonja Strom agrees.
[2008/04/06 13:02] ThePrincess Parisi: well the committee decided that as i recall
[2008/04/06 13:02] You: ??
[2008/04/06 13:02] ThePrincess Parisi: it is the only measurable item
[2008/04/06 13:02] Beathan Vale: also true
[2008/04/06 13:02] MT Lundquist: the citizens who attended where very specific about traffic
[2008/04/06 13:02] ThePrincess Parisi: we discussed that at length
[2008/04/06 13:02] You: let's not do detailed chat about this - didn;t set enough time for it today
[2008/04/06 13:02] Cindy Ecksol is wondering why those good ideas were not expressed at the CC meetings BEFORE the report was offered up
[2008/04/06 13:02] ThePrincess Parisi: nothing else can be measured
[2008/04/06 13:02] MT Lundquist: kk
[2008/04/06 13:03] ThePrincess Parisi: land traffic can
[2008/04/06 13:03] You: ahem :) any other URGENT NEW comments?
[2008/04/06 13:03] Arria Perreault: you could ask the merchants about what they sell
[2008/04/06 13:03] ThePrincess Parisi: yes i have one
[2008/04/06 13:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn would like the LRA to look at the IMs
[2008/04/06 13:03] Beathan Vale: there will be avid debate on the forum on this one -- before the RA needs to act
[2008/04/06 13:03] MT Lundquist: they were cindy
[2008/04/06 13:03] Jamie Palisades is waiting for Prin, and then, he hopes, end of this item for this week
[2008/04/06 13:03] ThePrincess Parisi: cindy was there..
[2008/04/06 13:03] Arria Perreault: I think also that we cannot ask people to give back their plot
[2008/04/06 13:03] ThePrincess Parisi: we can arria
[2008/04/06 13:03] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry
[2008/04/06 13:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
[2008/04/06 13:04] Sonja Strom: Arria, would you please post your comments in this thread in the
[2008/04/06 13:04] Sonja Strom: CDS Forum?
[2008/04/06 13:04] Arria Perreault: I will
[2008/04/06 13:04] Beathan Vale: I think we have to be careful in forfeiting plots -- especially as there are no residential lots available to move displaced citizens to
[2008/04/06 13:04] Sonja Strom: MT, could you help us to find it?
[2008/04/06 13:04] You: :) Sonja beat me to it - yes please - all comments to the Forum post too
[2008/04/06 13:04] You: and I have one more new commenter than we're out of time I think
[2008/04/06 13:04] MT Lundquist: i will post after the meeting
[2008/04/06 13:04] ThePrincess Parisi: but that a emergency is that the same ppl that created the current crisis and the need for an election, ruled on that.. and are now running.. i think we need to declare this unconstitutional
[2008/04/06 13:04] ThePrincess Parisi: and
[2008/04/06 13:04] Sonja Strom: Again, we are not making a decision about this in this meeting everybody.
[2008/04/06 13:04] ThePrincess Parisi: oh
[2008/04/06 13:05] You: Gwyneth? You had something on this one (which we agreed to hold over for a week)?
[2008/04/06 13:05] Beathan Vale: Bells -- please consent to be published
[2008/04/06 13:05] Beathan Vale: Rain as wll
[2008/04/06 13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who has the floor now, Mr LRA?
[2008/04/06 13:05] ThePrincess Parisi: i thought i did sorry
[2008/04/06 13:05] You: You Gwyn
[2008/04/06 13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, after PRincess then
[2008/04/06 13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Princess first :D
[2008/04/06 13:05] You: Oh sorry thought Prin psoke
[2008/04/06 13:05] Bells Semyorka: ok
[2008/04/06 13:05] Rain Ninetails: I consent for the publish
[2008/04/06 13:05] You: go P
[2008/04/06 13:05] ThePrincess Parisi: i did
[2008/04/06 13:05] You: gp G :)
[2008/04/06 13:05] Justice Soothsayer: i thought I was next on TP's electoral issues
[2008/04/06 13:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/04/06 13:05] ThePrincess Parisi: i said that...................and
[2008/04/06 13:05] ThePrincess Parisi: who is talked
[2008/04/06 13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that my fellow citizens have been rather nice about saying "I think that the Government should not seize private property"
[2008/04/06 13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/04/06 13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't think that.
[2008/04/06 13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Private property can only be forfeited
[2008/04/06 13:06] ThePrincess Parisi: well should can and will are different things
[2008/04/06 13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in case of a *crime*
[2008/04/06 13:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not because people suddenly have less traffic... sheesh
[2008/04/06 13:07] Bjerkel Eerie thinks its the court not the RA that rules on constutuinality and crimes
[2008/04/06 13:07] You: shh all (except GL)
[2008/04/06 13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, Bjerkel
[2008/04/06 13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So
[2008/04/06 13:07] Sonja Strom: Could we please continue this discussion in the Forum?
[2008/04/06 13:07] Moon Adamant raises hand
[2008/04/06 13:07] You: 30 secs, then time GL
[2008/04/06 13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Depends, Sonja
[2008/04/06 13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Either this is going to be voted â€â€
[2008/04/06 13:07] Beathan Vale: I think that there will not be strong RA support for forfeiture
[2008/04/06 13:07] You: *sigh*
[2008/04/06 13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and then we should talk now before it's too late
[2008/04/06 13:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or it will be voted next week
[2008/04/06 13:07] MT Lundquist: I thought we were discussing next week
[2008/04/06 13:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I won't be Ms Nice Person on the forums, believe me.
[2008/04/06 13:08] Sonja Strom: ok, sorry to interrupt, which I did do.
[2008/04/06 13:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks, Jamie
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: :) OK an agenda check and arequest for RA agenbda modification - hold up all please -
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: we';re out of time on this - and -
[2008/04/06 13:08] MT Lundquist: and i'm sad that people who have a strong voice now DIDNT come to the commission meetings with the other citizens
[2008/04/06 13:08] ThePrincess Parisi: they want to have their cake and eat it too
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: anythind more we do here today on this will eat tinme from, e.g.,
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: HUSH
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: at time from "sim development" and Prin's item on SC
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: so
[2008/04/06 13:08] You: anyone who is RA member want to extend time on this one?
[2008/04/06 13:08] ThePrincess Parisi: i give my time to MT
[2008/04/06 13:08] ThePrincess Parisi: NOOO
[2008/04/06 13:09] ThePrincess Parisi: forums like sonja said
[2008/04/06 13:09] You: that's meanigless here Priun, sorry
[2008/04/06 13:09] Beathan Vale: I think we should here form Moon and then let her go
[2008/04/06 13:09] Beathan Vale: hear from I mean
[2008/04/06 13:09] You: any diagreemenr with Prin? Hold it for a week - or end-of-today open microphone?
[2008/04/06 13:09] Beathan Vale: "here form Moon" what a weird Freudian slip
[2008/04/06 13:09] Sonja Strom: Did Gwyneth want to say more? I interrupted her.
[2008/04/06 13:09] ThePrincess Parisi: i have an emergency
[2008/04/06 13:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: no no, I'm finished, Sonja
[2008/04/06 13:09] ThePrincess Parisi: it cannot wait til next week
[2008/04/06 13:09] You: this is on Commerce, still, OK? Gwyn indicated she was done I think
[2008/04/06 13:09] You: OK then
[2008/04/06 13:10] You: Moon, apologies - this will continue on forums and we'll come back to it
[2008/04/06 13:10] Moon Adamant: ok
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[2008/04/06 13:10] You: that was item 6.25 taken out of sequence
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