Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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Re: Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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Robert, this thread delivers!

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Thank you Desmond. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.

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Ah yes, Desmond ...

I am debating proposing a new expansion proposal. See -- we plant a CDS spamming flag in the middle of Caledon and then send you a message saying "All your sims are belong to us."

Would that work?

:twisted: :wink:

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Re: Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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I already approved an embassy, Beathan... so how does your proposal differ?

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You must confess, I *have* been good. Really, really nice. As a guest should be!

If I were mean, I'd be doing stuff like:

"Which CDS official is what character on the island of the Lord of the Flies? Cast your votes for Jack, Simon, Piggy..."

or

"Introducing the CDSMP - the Confederation of Democratic Sixteen Meter Parcels! - fight tooth and nail in forums to control someone *else's* three prims of resource!" (I could really do that, I've got about 8000-ish meters in Alice region)

or

"I Desmond Shang, newly minted citizen of the CDS, announce the Royalist Party! Yep that's right, sim 4 delivered in minutes not months!"

or

"CDS Imperialism - just why is it that the enlightened ones are still paying tier, and not the second class citizen-hopefuls in the oppressed Mainland Colonies?"

or

"CDS Survivor - Outwit, Outlast, Outplay... See who is last to be voted off the island!"

Oh, wait. I *did* do that last one.

Bad Desmond! Bad!

* goes back to his corner with his plastic statue of Babar the elephant... *

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Re: Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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The view quoted above is different from my own, however. In my view, the concept that anyone was forced to resign from the RA is highly debatable. However, even if one actually sees that as being the whole truth, the citizens most often receiving criticism for being responsible for this pressure are ThePrincess and MT, both citizens who joined the RA as CDS “Newbies”. Those who supposedly were forced to resign were CDS “Oldies,” except for Bjerkel, who as I understand it resigned because she found her opinions to be inconsistent with a majority of the faction for which she was a Representative

um.............was I a newbie to CDS when I was elected to the RA this time? ....i dont think so ..............

and NO ONE was forced to resign from the RA....if you mean pat and leon? OMG!! and i think it would be nice if BJ would say why she resigned, i think it is the truth that CSDF was not OK with her voting her mind and that she had to vote the way the faction told her to........so then for that faction doesit mean, i mean if thats true and all, that the person running for THAT faction doesnt matter anyway, espeically if they "fly" their conservative and popular members to win seats and then put the mainstreamers in ... oh i diverge......just a thought............not an acusation....

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Re: Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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To all contributors to the discussion on this thread:

Please not that the version of my bill posted by Jamie in the RA section is the original draft. I did hand him a revised second draft which he missed, and therefore I resubmitted it to him. The Second Draft in question, resulting from the discussions in this thread, reads as follows:

Limitation of Terms Act (Second Draft)

1. No citizen shall serve longer than two consecutive terms in any of the following offices: Member of the RA, Chancellorship, Member of the Architectural Control Department (ACD) (if any); Member of the Chamber of Commerce (if any); or Marshall of the Peace.

2. Members of the RA, SC, Chancellorship, Members of the Architectural Control Department (ACD) (if any); Members of the Chamber of Commerce (if any); or Marshalls of the Peace may not stand for another office enumerated in Paragraph 1 while sitting in one such office or in the term immediately following their departure from such office.

3. All terms referred in this Act shall run concurrently with the terms of the Representative Assembly.

4. This Act shall enter into force immediately after being assented to by the RA.

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Re: Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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So was this approved at yesterday's RA or not?

Since depending on the result of the approval my comments will be affected, I'll have to decline any comments until I have confirmation on the status of this bill...

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Gwyn,

The bill was introduced, discussed and tabled for further consideration.

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I find it intriguing that others seem to find explaining my motives for resigning so facile, and then to have such explanations used as fuel for arguments for their particular point of view. Does 'Bjerkel' mean "chopped liver" in old Norske??

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Re: Controllable Democracy vs. Non-Cumulation of Mandates

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Bjerkel, I apologise if I misrepresented you in any way.

Perhaps one reason why citizens might be unsure about how it came to be that you resigned from the Representative Assembly is because you have never made any announcement about it - nor given any description of it - in the RA or in the Forum. :wink:

So what would you say about it, were you forced to resign?

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the observation was definitely not directed at you Sonja, and to make it clear, In no way was I forced from the RA. it simply became embarrassingly clear that I had made some miss assumptions about CDSF's decision methods. As soon as my errors became obvious i chose to leave, because it was clear to myself that I was incapable of serving in the manner expected. the CDSF gave me several opportunities to rejoin their fold and reassume the RA seat.

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Re: ... Non-Cumulation of Mandates (proposed bill)

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These proposals need more work to be potential effective legislation.

Some of the general ideas seem meritorious. For example, I think it's unseemly that an SC member running for RA would simultaneously act in the directly conflicting roles of both presiding over their election, and running in it as a candidate. C'mon. Recusal or exclusion in such cases should be mandatory, not discretionary.

On the other hand, personally I don't see merit in term limits. If oldsters are dragging their feet and thwarting progress, well, let the electorate tell them. Faction politics seems to contribute to that problem, but if that's a flaw, it is a flaw in the faction system beloved of those oldsters ... and has little to do with term limits. Neither newcomers who advocate cannibalism towards prior leaders, nor cognoscenti who stiff-arm all new ideas or enthusiasts with parliamentary guile, reflect well on a collaborative community.

Our friend Despot Des carols that this thread delivers. Well, yes ... in words per page, anyway. But is that our success metric?

We're likely to discuss this issue further at the next CDS RA meeting. Or two. Regards Jamie P

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