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Referendum Bill

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For a few weeks I have been proposing that the RA institute a Referendum process for it to have greater input from the community.

As this proposal might come up for a vote in the next RA meeting on Saturday April 19th (at 9am SLT), I thought I would post the current wording of the bill here:
"At its discretion, the Representative Assembly may place a referendum question on the next available ballot with a simple majority vote. The results of a referendum vote shall not be considered legally binding, but only advisory to the government as to the wishes of the citizens."

The best thread in the Forum to see how this bill came about is here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1667

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I support this bill, but I think it should be used sparingly. Far too often, referendums are used to give politicians political cover rather than to advance public debate or sound public policy. For instance, we should not refer either Sim 4 or the private development proposal by referendum. We should have the courage to stand on the sound expansion policies we have announced, even if there is some misguided opposition from a vocal minority in our community.

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This discussion is getting a bit off-topic, but I just have to ask: why do you not want these as referendum questions if you fully believe they would pass?

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Sonja --

Delay and discord.

The New Guild is already working on the 4th sim. That sim passed and is moving forward. It strikes me as wrong to stop and roll back the process.

Further, the Private Sim proposal was the result of a lot of consultation and compromise. The referendum question does not begin to do justice to the conversation and negotiation that went into the proposal, which is very detailed, process proposal.

In both cases, referring the proposals through a referendum seems to be more like political cowardice than political wisdom. Referendums, if merely used for cover -- as a way of escaping the criticism of a few forum posters -- would be a wasteful, even an awful, experiment in direct democracy. However, if well used -- on topics other than the ones proposed -- it can aid the RA deliberations and serve a very beneficial role in our representative democracy.

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So, how I understand this is, you are saying you think the RA should have the courage to continue on these actions whether or not they are wanted by the citizens?

What other topics do you think would be good to have as referendum questions in the future?

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No, Sonja -- I believe that the RA should continue with these initiatives because they are wanted by the citizens (with three apparent, but vocal, exceptions). Further, we should take care not to use the referendum process to slow down government action when expedition is called for. We are out of available land. We do not have the luxury of slow expansion -- we need to speed up and streamline the process.

The referendum process you propose, if applied to expansion, is nothing more than an anchor on needed growth -- and I cannot support that. Further, I don't see the need to gauge public support for expansion. It is clear that the vast majority of our citizens support expansion -- even private expansion -- the concern is with quality control, which is a detail, process concern ill-suited to referendum review.

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OK Beathan, what you really are saying is, you think if we have these questions on the next ballot this would slow down work that is widely popular?

Personally I differ with you on the issue of slowness, since these questions would go onto the ballot (and into voting) the same day as the RA approved them. The results would be announced at the same time as we knew who the new members of the RA were. In any case, there is no reason I can see why allowing the citizens to have a say in it would slow anything down if they fully support it.

Also, I am still interested to know what kind of questions you think should be directed to the community as referenda.

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Sonja --

I don't agree that the bill would create "same day voting". The bill says, "next available ballot." I took that to mean "include this on the ballot at the next regularly scheduled election." If this is not what it means, I withdraw my support for the bill. Same day balloting would create severe process problems -- we could have voting every week, which, I think, would be unnecessarily disruptive and annoying to our citizens. We are a representative democracy, first and foremost. It makes sense to temper that with some direct democracy -- but it does not make sense to ask the community as a whole to do the RA's work for us. We members of the RA should do our jobs.

I think that the Green Sims bill is appropriate for referendum, because it tests a policy, not a process or a substantive action of the State. I see referendums as being most appropriately addressed to general questions, not specific proposals.

Thus, if we want a referendum on expansion and growth, I would support "Should the CDS expand by adding sims and attracting new residents to populate those new sims?" We could even ask a series of questions on speed of growth: "Should the CDS endeavor to expand: 1. at a rate of less than one sim per RA session; 2 at a rate of 1 sim per RA session; 3 at a rate of more than 1 but less than 4 sims per RA session; or 4. at a rate of more than 4 sims per RA session?" However, I don't think that any referendum on expansion that addresses questions at a greater level of detail than these is appropriate. Such referendums strike me as political cover for RA members -- not as attempts to obtain real information about the Citizenry's desires about the direction of the CDS.

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To me the wording "next available ballot" would mean the next ballot available. In the case of the two questions I have proposed for the next ballot, if adopted by the RA at its April 19 meeting they would go onto the ballot the same day the polls open for voting, April 19. We did talk about this in the last RA meeting, which you did not attend.

For reference, this April 19th date can be found in the By-Election announcement here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1708

You have made your position clear, I and I will respect your right to hold it. Thank you for answering my question.

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Sonja --

I agree that the "next available ballot" in this special case of the by-election will include the by-election ballot. My concern is that "next day voting", if it is what you have in mind, will overtax our electoral system. Your clarification suggests that my original interpretation was correct -- and "next available ballot" means "next previously scheduled ballot" and does not require any special ballot to be prepared by the SC and its election staff. In such case, I continue to support this measure, but I do not support the specific referendums you propose.

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My intent was for Referendum questions to go on the next previously scheduled ballot.

The two questions I have proposed for the April Special Election have been under consideration by the RA for a couple of weeks, and now the RA vote to place them on the ballot would occur the morning before the polls opened. I inquired about whether or not this would be technically possible, and was told it is. This being the case, I see no reason why having these questions on the ballot would slow anything down.

It seems best to me for the wording of this bill to now be changed to:
"At its discretion, the Representative Assembly may place a referendum question on the next previously scheduled ballot with a simple majority vote. The results of a referendum vote shall not be considered legally binding, but only advisory to the government as to the wishes of the citizens."

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In the Representative Assembly meeting yesterday (April 19th) Gwyneth suggested that this wording be added to the proposed Referendum bill: "not more than one referendum per RA term."

Although I personally do not see this qualification as necessary I am not opposed to it, and so would like to amend the proposed wording of this bill to:
"At its discretion, the Representative Assembly may place a referendum question on the next previously scheduled ballot with a simple majority vote. There shall not be more than one referendum per RA term. The results of a referendum vote shall not be considered legally binding, but only advisory to the government as to the wishes of the citizens."

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While I favor limited use of referenda, I don't know that such a preset limit (especially such a low limit) makes sense in the long-term. However, such a limit could make for a good referendum pilot project -- allowing us to test the process without overtaxing the electoral system. We can always lift or raise the limit later.

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Sorry Beathan, I don't understand which limit you are talking about.
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Sonja --

The limit on the number of referendums to one per term.

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