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The DPU Listens - 7 pm SLT Thursday

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Over the last week, you've heard the factions tell you in great detail where they want Neufreistadt to go. Now it's your turn.

Come to the DPU Listening Session Thursday at 7 pm SLT. The session will be hosted by Dnate Mars at his Roman temple in the southwest valley

* Tell those who wish to be the next RA what's on your mind.

* Want to talk about events instead of cabinets and senates? Come tell us.

* More interested in the city rebuild than diplomatic relations? Come tell us.

Hope to see you there.

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[color=Black:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Meeting on 2006-07-14[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Sienna:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Those present[/b:a3uh6s00]: [/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins is in the chair.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: The per-transaction cost has generally been small change.,[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Please touch the recorder to give consent.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: And for any real business, people have opted for RL contracts and such... but this isn't so good in the middle stage, or for people who would like t keep pseudonymity.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: That's basically the gap we're looking to cover.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Welcome to the DPU listening session.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Please remember to touch the black box,[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Indigo:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateGray:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Yogeswari Padar has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: ok, uh[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: now what? lol[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: As promised this is not going to be a presentation.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: If you haven't read the DPU campaign statement/platform it'son the forums and available from any of a number of diamond shaped DPU signs around the sim,[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Now. What do you want to talk about?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well, Jon could ask us questions :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Let me start here.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Is there an issue important to you the faction platforms don't address?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: oh lemme rez a copy of the Democrat's voters buide[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: er guide[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Indigo:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: anyone want to ask anything?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: ok, fine, I will ask.... what is your stance on keeping within the theme of a sim? Do we need "themeless" sims?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Yes.I would be remiss not to offer a thank you to Dnate, our host this evening.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: /clap[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yay!! :))[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: (If I just disappear it is because I have passed out, I had to be vacinated today, it is really draining me)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Is this perhaps twp different questions?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: 1) Should we have sims w/o a "theme"[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes, or should we have only themed sims[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: 2) Should we relax the covenants on those sims that have themes?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: So you're asking #1?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: I want to know 2 now too[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: lol[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: should we have sims that apeal to a broader set of SL'ers?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the essence of NStadt is not the theme[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: whatever it might be[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: its the experiment in ccommunity structure[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the theme serves merely to attract folks...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: and suggest the high level of what we're striving for[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: If we have a themeless sim. this means the government system is the only draw. I hope that we will reach the point where the community alone will attract citizens.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: or... not the government[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: I'm not sure we're at that point yet.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: actuaslly, the price could be a draw[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the desireability of this as a live to live and work[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: I mean, our land fees are very low[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: not *so* lo9w[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: low[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: In terms of relaxing existing covenants.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: The current one is rather byzantine,[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: that should be a priority next RA term, almost all the buildings here are violating the covenant in some form[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: and there are some things that don't make sense on face. You can't have 8 m standoff from lotlines in town for example.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: no exposed hot tubs[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the current ones have critically imporatant clauses...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: no houses on stilts[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: and downright silly ones[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the silly ones should be removed[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Personally, I wouldn't mind loosening the valley considerably,[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: But that'sa personal opinion.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: hiya pel, rez a seat and join us[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well, the valley is pretty loose[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: In fact. I'm not sure it would be if the CC&R were applied strictly.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: actually, my old treehouse was agains tthe covenant, so I took it own[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][i:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars looks at the rules and loses count of how many laws he broke[/i:a3uh6s00][/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Personally I'd like to keep the town stricter.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: To maintain some verisimilitude.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: in any case, I'm sure this is something that the RA can hash out[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: actually, is the covenant an RA responsibility?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: I mean defining it[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Did that answer the question Dnate?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: The RA can pass legislationg overrifding covenant provisions.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: right[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: *overriding.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: that is not the guilds job to set that up?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: They enforce the covenant but don't necessarily create it. With the Platz, the RA delegated the specifics of the covenant to the Guild.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: That could continue to happen, or the RA could be more hands on.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Of course under DPU proposals on decentralization...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: ...covenants would be more local (per sim)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the covenants are "founding documents"[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Glad so many of you are in attendance.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the Guild cannot simply change them[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but we are supposed to "enforce" them[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: But the CC&R says specifically that it is "subordinate to city laws and zoning guidelines"[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: hmm... whatever that means...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: that the RA can pass additions and changes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: which is fine[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: That's my understanding.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: ok...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Are we all comfortable with the DPU platform, any questions/concerns?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: crickets...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: democracy is hard :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: I'm still unsure about mainland subsidiaries[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Pel, this is your area of expertise.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Ah, not in the platform per se. Nothing happens unless/until a franchulate or some similar bill is passed.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: it;s in the platofrm, pel, lol[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: Jon, do you want to know anything more about what we stand for?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: Mainland subsidiaries: A way to bring mainlanders into the CDS fold without forcing abandonment of builds and recognized places of business. Expand and enhance revenue by careful expansion to the mainland using parcels approved on an individual basis.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: My bill, which didn't pass last term.lol. had CDS as trusted mainland aggreator. Meaning when and only when it makes political and economic sense for CDS and the mainland owner would we tier up and buy the mainland, thereby annexing it and making it[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: part of CDS. This could be a large plot or 1 or more smaller plots. That's the mainland expansion idea, currently. We haven't formalized the mechanism.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: some interesting ideas...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but, not happening yet[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: what do y'all think about de-linking citizenship from land ownership?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: a long discussed issue[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: yeah... the main problem is, land is the only tie... it's sort of the base unit of SL's virtual world, as an expression of server resources.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: I in theory would be for it personally, but I feel an escrow must be kept by the city for enforcement purposes. In fact, I personally think it's more equitable for all citizens to keep the same $L escrowed with the city[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: in addition to their land.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: more escrow?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well, escrow has not really been part of the citizenship process[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: thats the business idea[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: In theory it permits non land holder citizens.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: citizenship needs to be tied to the land, for definition purposes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: I personally think the city TEM holding the land would be enough.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: is the microplot thing such a huge burden?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we really have quasi "non'landholder" citizens[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: exactly[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: My issue with the microplot is that I'm much more willing to flout the law and lose 16m2 vs. 4,096m2.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the microlot is a pure definition[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but Pel, that s the point[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the land is not held in escrow of behavior[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: for a citizen[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: on the other hand, someone willing to pay a monthly fee for 3 prims worht of land means he really wants in[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Forthe aggregation to work, Rudeen would have to be the "owner " of the land asfar as LL was concerned.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: The mainland land we're discussing.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well... it is not a foregone cobclusion that Rudeen must hold all CDS land[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: These are just my crazy ideas, they're not in the platform...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: True.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: there could ceratinly be a different CN sim owner[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: A government av , shall we say.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: one... yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: not necessarily all the same[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: I have another question, what does the DPU think of voids? Needed or a waste of money?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: It hasn't been discussed formally.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: I personally wish we could have some to separate our "cities"[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: ans open waters for sailing[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we have begun to discuss it in the CN building committee[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: But they're very expensive for the prims you get. and I am not sure how you can generate revenue from them.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: Voids are certainly not in the picture for a 2 sim CDS[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: if we were 5 sims...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: Hm. could consider it to be a public good, like the platz... with more sims, we could afford it as overhead.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: that might be different[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: exactly[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: It's a scale issue.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes... very much[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: so, DPU is for voids, if we can afford them?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: I think that's a reasonable statement.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: i agree...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: DPU is for voids, if we can afford them, and it enhances the value of CDS[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: exactly![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Right, and not to toot our own horn here but the treasury looks good at the moment.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: thats why i think we should be for them...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: exchange rate fluctuations...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: we have to be careful for when it goes the other way[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: it is amazing, but we are showing a profit right now, correct?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: true[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: The drop down to c. 300/1 doesn't hurt.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we are running income ahead of expenses[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but... that has to do with how full we are[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: and the fact that there is still trunover...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: means the time *is* ripe for expansion[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the city profits from the sale of abandoned land[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: i'm certainly positive about it...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: because the "worth" of the City merits it[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: how much bond do we have to issue to cover costs?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: or would we be able to cover it via pre-selling?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: depends on how well preselling goes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well... different issue sthere[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: issues there :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: I have to step away for a few minutes.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: Back when I can.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: k, cya claude[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the issues of "bonds"[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: and the issues of how much financing we need... by whatever means[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: ok, how much financing do we need by whatever means?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Do we have any outstanding bonds?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: I guess this isnt really a DPU thing, more of a ciy finance thing, but since you're here sudane :-)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well... we can probably bring about US$500 to the purcahse fro available cash[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: Claude has estimated that the purcahse will cost, in all, about $2000[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: afaik, the city has no debt at the moment[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: so... we'll need to borrow maybe 1500[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: the City has no debt, except for the escrow accounts[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: which is debt thats not due[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we have never issued bonds[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: everythinbg so far has been in the form of loans[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: as to the bonds[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Ah, ok.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: they have been authorized[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: we'll need a platform to issue them from[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: by the RA[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but held in abeyance until we have mechansims that can administer them[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Right, GM sets maturity, rate and total amount of the issue.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: well... I don't know who does that[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but i do know[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: that there MUST be a mechanism in place[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: The GM or whoever runs the CDS bank.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Yes, we're working on it.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: or there will be no credibility[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: the thing is, it will be indexed to the exchange rate...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: under the current law[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: ok[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: ahh... I am terrible at remembering the exact terms of bills :))[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Perhaps using a mech similar to Vendex...also it would be nice if the CDS bank could set some kind of prime interest rate perhaps by looking around at existing non CDS financial rates.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: and there's this awkward thing where you can pay your land fee with your bond[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: I'm not a big fan of paying land use with bond coupons. It just seems uncessarily complex.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: it would be ok with loans...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: which is waht we did[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: but bonds...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: well maybe that's something for the DPU to do next term, make the bond thing simper[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: hmmm...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: good idea[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Yes, I agree.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: well take a stab at it anyway[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: There is a rumor that in the near future new players will only be allowed into PG areas until they supply proof of age, what is the DPU's stance on turning Neufreistadt into a PG sim?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Hmmm[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: why would we make it PG?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: I havent heard this one[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: I mean... for any reason?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: some people don't like the idea of living in a mature sim anyway[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: the question is, do we want to have under-18 citizens?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: really![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: and why do we need to stay mature?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: i understand that PG land always sells at a discount[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: Well, FR, it's not having under-18s.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: In theory, because NF outlaws mature content, we could go PG, but we wouldn't want to dictate that to any other CDS sim.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes, you can't put an XXX club on PG land... that is why it is cheaper[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: it's some people don't like the idea of having "mature" things in a sim. OTOH, I think our covenants adequately handle that[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: I agree..[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Claude Desmoulins[/b:a3uh6s00]: We have an anti ornography thing on covenant.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: without making me feel like someone's going to abuse-report me for saying "fuck that shit."[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: I think going PG would be a big mistake[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Good point. We don't need to do it.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: its kind of like we are the directors of a valuable asset...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: like a coop apartment[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we need to preserve the value of our asset[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: so... the decisions should connect with the highest valuation ....[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: decisions that preserve that[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Yes, and if you want porn or hampsters with duct tape behind closed doors on your land, fine.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: exactly... behind closed doors[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we do not dictate morals[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Right, as Pierre Trudeau said, "The gov't has no place in the citizens' bedroom"[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes, other than those areas where morals and the ethics of a stable community collide. Which duct-tape hamsters doesn't enter into.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: hehe.... yes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: i ceratinly believe those things[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: His wife was banging Mick Jagger at the time....but that's neither here nor there. :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: tsk!![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: Any more questions?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: unless children are being harmed...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: or women abused[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: which... is not likely in SL[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: The victim can always file suit (UDHR) at the SC.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: thats true[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: We don't have a penal code per se, do we want to pursue that?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: we should[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: hmmm... interesting :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: we don't have much enforcement mechanism[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: land, escrow, banishment, social ostracism. Those are the big 4[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: all we have is the ban feature[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: it's bothered me for a while that we dont have specific punishments for specific crimes[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: its a good point...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: probably because all the relevant branches of govt are overworked :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: The SC is kind of untried as a court. I'd like to see some "throughput" there.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: well we had this large sidetrack last few months :-)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Prok is starting his own Judge Judy's[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: really!! :))[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: hehe[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: who's gonna be judge judy?[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: haha[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: 512 Court. Unless it was a joke it was discussed ithe Thinker's meeting. Prok and his band of buddies I suppose. I'm actualy for it.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: well, guys, I got to go... but please feel free to stay and chat[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: good night all[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: k,dnate, cya, thanks for hosting[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: I have to go too[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: thx Dnate![/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: The only problem with the SC as court is that with 10k and 300m2 in town there is more vested city interest in siding with me, theoretically. The town is not completely a disinterested party.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: On the other hand, Pel...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: If a microplotter sued me.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: we've never had a problem finding new buyers when someone left.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkRed:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Dnate Mars[/b:a3uh6s00]: (don't forget to post the chat logs)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: right[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: I.e., before you, Kendra was a large landholder...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: thats true[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: I don't argue that. Prok can make the case that he's completely a disinterested party. The SC can't quite do that.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: Prok can!!??[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: lol[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: thats odd[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: he always has an opinion about everything else! :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: if one of his tenants sued Aimee Weber....[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: :)[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkGreen:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:a3uh6s00]: This may be so, but Prok is also well known as being a very opinionated party.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: exactly[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkOrange:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:a3uh6s00]: Impartial I mean...yeah, it's part of Frank Lardner's/Traxx Hathor's 3rd party mediator post in the law society. Law society is a *must* read.[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: yes...[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=Navy:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Sudane Erato[/b:a3uh6s00]: I must go[/color:a3uh6s00]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:a3uh6s00][b:a3uh6s00]Flyingroc Chung[/b:a3uh6s00]: cya sudane[/color:a3uh6s00]

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Claude Desmoulins
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[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: cya Sudane! Thanks![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Navy:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Sudane Erato[/b:2n4zmjp6]: thx everyone! :)[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Ok maybe we'll look at penal code.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: thanks Sudane[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: well we better get elected first :-)[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: FRC is that on the platform? LOL![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: BTW who is running for a seat, or is that secret?[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I'm not sure that it's secret[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: but I'm not running[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Olive:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Shaun Altman[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I have to TP[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: and the DPU has a deep bench[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: cya shaun[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I'm also not running.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:2n4zmjp6]: you know, if it matters.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Olive:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Shaun Altman[/b:2n4zmjp6]: ty for letting me sit in on this meeting, it was very interesting :D[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I been though that briar patch once.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Olive:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Shaun Altman[/b:2n4zmjp6]: will try to make it back soon :D[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: cmon tell us what you really think![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Glad you could come Shaun. We're hoping to issue bonds and we're looking at the possibility of trading them on exchanges such as yours.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I guess Claude and I are seeking...anyone else?[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I'm not sure I can say, lol, that's strange[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: election laws, we need it[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: It's a 5 seat RA, right, so I hope we have 3. In fact I hope we win 3.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I don't think there's any rule against saying yes or no.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Aliasi Stonebender[/b:2n4zmjp6]: considering previous campaigns, individuals were very outspoken about running, I'd say it's not a secret if you don't want it to be.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: well I dont think there's a rule for revealing who's running[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: but it seems the spirit is to be able to vote for the faction, and not the actual people running in the faction[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: anyway, you'll find out on election day :-)[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Right FRC. In theory just the faction list[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Green:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]should be public.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I'm not running, that's for sure.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I was going to go as far as leaving the DPU[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Teal:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]after Kendra left so that I could fill the SDF seat while Ali took my[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Blue:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]place in the DPU. It's platform, not personalities.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I think I've become defacto election commisioner[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: For sure![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: LOL[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: hm, would you have been able to represent the DPU faction tho?[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: er sdf[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I wouldn't, I'd have to resign the DPU, join[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=SlateGray:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]the SDF and Pat would have had to ask me to serve on the RA.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I honestly feel that would have been better[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DimGray:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]than leaving a seat vacant.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Leaving an RA seat vacant is a crime against[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Red:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]the citizens who own that seat.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I tend to agree, but the situation was a bit difficult.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Yes.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I think that would have been engineering a coup. :-P[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Well, I'd have to follow the SDF platform.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=SandyBrown:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]LIkely I'd just parrot Pat in that scenario.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Pel, you could do it![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Water under the bridge.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: anyway, I found this conversation interesting[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: It is.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I don't have a real beef, as it all worked[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=YellowGreen:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]out but I'll say this.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: DPU folk certainly has a very pragmatic streak[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: If I hadn't taken over when Logan left, and[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=SlateGray:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]the SDF dissolved when Kendra left, the RA might have dissolved and[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=SeaGreen:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]we'd be another garden variety dictatorship.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: RA seats *must not ever* stay vacant.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: hopefully we get a more stable government next term[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Mofongo Hocho[/b:2n4zmjp6]: hello[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I sure hope so.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: hello Mofongo[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=MediumTurquoise:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Mofongo Hocho[/b:2n4zmjp6]: what is this group?[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Mofongo, please touch the box on the bench[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2n4zmjp6]: We're recording.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Well, I need to get some sleep. Thanks all! :)[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Thanks Jon![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Thanks for coming.[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Indigo:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Jon Seattle[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Very welcome. bye![/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Claude Desmoulins[/b:2n4zmjp6]: Well, shall w wrap up?[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkOrange:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Pelanor Eldrich[/b:2n4zmjp6]: I also don't like seat holders missing[/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=RoyalBlue:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]meetings, maybe have a proxy with the next one down on the faction[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=Purple:2n4zmjp6][i:2n4zmjp6]role filling in for a member on vacation or something.[/i:2n4zmjp6][/color:2n4zmjp6]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:2n4zmjp6][b:2n4zmjp6]Flyingroc Chung[/b:2n4zmjp6]: yeah[/color:2n4zmjp6]

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