See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1909 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 07 June 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Neufreistadt Rathaus
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items
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[2008/06/07 8:56] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Avilion%20Grove/160/133/43
[2008/06/07 8:57] You: Good morning Danton. How are you?
[2008/06/07 8:57] Danton Sideways: Hi Jamie
[2008/06/07 8:58] Danton Sideways: Alright and you?
[2008/06/07 8:58] Danton Sideways: Hi Pat
[2008/06/07 8:58] Patroklus Murakami: hi :)
[2008/06/07 8:58] You: Good, thanks. Hi Pat. Retreating into IM for a moment :) 'scuse me
[2008/06/07 9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi all!
[2008/06/07 9:01] MT Lundquist: hi all
[2008/06/07 9:01] Patroklus Murakami: hi gwyn mt :)
[2008/06/07 9:01] Danton Sideways: Hi MT, hi Gwyn
[2008/06/07 9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn *Waves*
[2008/06/07 9:01] MT Lundquist: hi gywn
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hiii MT
[2008/06/07 9:02] You: Good morning. I just sent off the obvious IMs and TP invites.
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, I know -- I should have been in touch with you, MT :( Sorry about that
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good morning, Jamie ;)
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wakie-wakie call? :)
[2008/06/07 9:02] You: quite a few actually
[2008/06/07 9:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Drag those lazy RA members into the meeting :D
[2008/06/07 9:03] You: Now let's see. Did we get any official regrets for today?
[2008/06/07 9:04] You: No, no, Gwyn, wiser heads have told me that all RA memebers are just the instruments of their factions :)
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes.
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn is just a 'bot of the CSDF
[2008/06/07 9:04] You: so If they dont show up presumably we talk to their estemeed faction leaders eh?
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh btw... I'm afraid I won't be able to make it next Saturday at this time :( At 8 AM I'll be doing a book signing event iRL *sighs*
[2008/06/07 9:04] Patroklus Murakami: book signing? ooh! do tell
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You should, Mr LRA
[2008/06/07 9:04] MT Lundquist: whats the book gwyn
[2008/06/07 9:05] You: hmmm a Gwynbot .. how ... disturbing :) yeah, what's the book?
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, pfft, I don't even want to discuss that lol
[2008/06/07 9:05] You: 1001 uses for smoking animations?
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm just one of several co-authors... the organiser of the anthology is a personal friend who *insisted* that I contributed to it
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: now, *that* would be something I'd much prefer to do!
[2008/06/07 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/06/07 9:06] Jamie Palisades smiles and notes we are not yet quorate.
[2008/06/07 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles back and patiently waits
[2008/06/07 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn tries to get some citizens here too...
[2008/06/07 9:07] Moon Adamant: hello everyone :)
[2008/06/07 9:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Moonie :)
[2008/06/07 9:07] MT Lundquist: hi moon
[2008/06/07 9:07] You: I'm not yet ready to panic if we miss one or two - so far since I joined and have been watching, RA members have been pretty good about quorum and attending.
[2008/06/07 9:07] You: Good day Madame Guild Secretary :D
[2008/06/07 9:07] Danton Sideways: Hi Moon
[2008/06/07 9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 9:08] You: You longtimers maybe can tell me - has CDS RA had many (SC-like, heh heh) dryspells where there are persistent quorum problems?
[2008/06/07 9:09] Patroklus Murakami: yes :0
[2008/06/07 9:09] Patroklus Murakami: almost every term
[2008/06/07 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes.
[2008/06/07 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What would a CDS institution be without a quorum problem? :D
[2008/06/07 9:09] Patroklus Murakami: it's been better recently, but I remember when most RA meetings were inquorate after about the third month
[2008/06/07 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pat
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We've been quite lucky so far!
[2008/06/07 9:10] Patroklus Murakami: ppl losing interest is the usual problem
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or, well, not having time
[2008/06/07 9:10] You: have weekly (versus biweekly) meetings been the usual? I myself see a little fatigue setting in with this lot
[2008/06/07 9:10] Patroklus Murakami: the last two or three RAs have been unusual in meeting most weeks
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: December meetings, for instance, are usually very very hard
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, yes, weekly is best
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would even like more per week.... hehe
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or we won't ever get anything done!...
[2008/06/07 9:10] Patroklus Murakami: well, fortnightly meetings used to be the norm, but they tend to fall into inquoracy more quickly
[2008/06/07 9:11] You: ah
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Pat, you're also quite right on that
[2008/06/07 9:11] Patroklus Murakami: weekly is better for keeping everyone on board
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "is this the day we meet, or next week? oops"
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's what usually happens
[2008/06/07 9:11] You: more meetings = more shots at making quorum, so to speak?
[2008/06/07 9:11] You: :)
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, a trade-off, Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: once per week is ok for most people
[2008/06/07 9:11] Patroklus Murakami: it just becomes the rhythm so is easier to maintain
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, so we can plan ahead
[2008/06/07 9:12] You: I have FlyingRoc, Sonja, ThePrincess and Beathan as still offline
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: awee Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:12] Patroklus Murakami: gwyn's point is a good one, ppl become confused easily if meetings are fortnightly
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if they think we're meeting today at 10 AM, like last weekend?...
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pat, *I* get confused all the time -- lol
[2008/06/07 9:12] Moon Adamant: yup, that's why i hold the Guild meetings weekly
[2008/06/07 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn is just a silly blonde iRL
[2008/06/07 9:13] Moon Adamant: but try and IM them? if they're by their machines, they'll see the IMs arriving on their mail
[2008/06/07 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Moon, Jamie's been actively IMing everybody
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I love your robes, Jamie, btw :))
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should have a dress code for the RA meetings hehe
[2008/06/07 9:14] MT Lundquist: how many do we need for quorum
[2008/06/07 9:14] You: ah, well, :) Victorian sim party, thanks
[2008/06/07 9:14] You: four of seven
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay :D
[2008/06/07 9:14] You: I see Prin's online
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Great!!!
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: she keeps losing internet
[2008/06/07 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ack MT
[2008/06/07 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's too bad :(
[2008/06/07 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is SL one another bad day today?....
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: its her internet
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: it goes frequently
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: very annoying
[2008/06/07 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh... argh
[2008/06/07 9:16] MT Lundquist: its funny, skype usually goes first then she crashes sl
[2008/06/07 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that's VERY annoying :(((
[2008/06/07 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: SL is actually quite good at tolerating disconnections
[2008/06/07 9:16] You: that IS odd
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You can pull the cord out of your computer for half a minute or so, and SL won't crash... often it recovers!
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: Skype does seem to have a heavy - and *spiking* - proicessor load
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: true
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And SL doesn't???? heheheheheh
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: but you know Skype is one of those distributed processor deals like SETI
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is? Hmm
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn uses Skype so little
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: so you can be, intermittently, a node .. amd get a LOT of throughput - whether or not you are yourself in a heavy session
[2008/06/07 9:18] MT Lundquist: prin says she is having problems logging in
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now is Skype also used to discover intelligent lifeforms on Earth? :)
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, couldn't resist
[2008/06/07 9:18] You: me too, used to keep it on for presence, but now I use GTalk instead (Jabber compliant! Yay standards!)
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Jamie :)
[2008/06/07 9:18] MT Lundquist: she also says she doesnt have the money from Alex yet
[2008/06/07 9:18] You: and SKype client only comes on for cheap VoIP
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn had fun yesterday connecting SL to GTalk
[2008/06/07 9:18] You: well :) Alexi committed to join us here also
[2008/06/07 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, wasn't this the Day of the Chancellor?...
[2008/06/07 9:19] Jamie Palisades makes an odd facial gesture indicating slight doubt
[2008/06/07 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/06/07 9:19] You: Another phenom on our list of CDS issues
[2008/06/07 9:19] MT Lundquist: has justice got his new faction up and running yet
[2008/06/07 9:19] You: connection, how, Gwyn?
[2008/06/07 9:19] Moon Adamant: Justice?
[2008/06/07 9:20] You: (and MT, remind me to talk to you or her directly about the L$$$)
[2008/06/07 9:20] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, just having fun... you chat in SL, and it gets funneled to someone in GTalk, who can answer back
[2008/06/07 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll do a GTalk HUD some day :)
[2008/06/07 9:20] MT Lundquist: is that text or voice
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, text only
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although GTalk fully supports voice these days
[2008/06/07 9:21] You: ah. huh. Well my av has a GMail address, thus GTalk ID, so if the Gmail addr is my IM redirect, it all seems to flow fairly well
[2008/06/07 9:21] MT Lundquist: ok interesting
[2008/06/07 9:21] MT Lundquist: how do you set it up?
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have no idea, lol  it doesn't work well on my Mac!
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean GTalk with voice
[2008/06/07 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think you have to download a small application from Google...
[2008/06/07 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/06/07 9:22] You: yup
[2008/06/07 9:22] You: it does both a web based ssesion, and a sep client - which is nicely compact
[2008/06/07 9:22] MT Lundquist: right i'll look later
[2008/06/07 9:23] MT Lundquist: how long do we wait?
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: well, let's see :)
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: Do we know if Prin can join us? She'd make quorum
[2008/06/07 9:23] Moon Adamant: you should have a procedure
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: I do, dear
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: public revilement :)
[2008/06/07 9:24] Moon Adamant: like in the portuguese framework code for associations
[2008/06/07 9:24] You: but only with reasonable forbearance
[2008/06/07 9:24] Moon Adamant: that after 30 minutes, session is open with those present
[2008/06/07 9:24] You: huh = interesting, but that would not be very respectful of faction representation?
[2008/06/07 9:25] Moon Adamant: it's they who have clocks
[2008/06/07 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No... hehe
[2008/06/07 9:25] You: my preference would be an automnatic replacement of people who miss a few in a row without giving regrets or etc.
[2008/06/07 9:25] MT Lundquist: prin says she will come in if gwyn will tell us the name of her book
[2008/06/07 9:25] MT Lundquist: shes sick actually
[2008/06/07 9:25] Jamie Palisades smiles
[2008/06/07 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/06/07 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tell her it's in Portuguese anyway, and I'm just one of 13 co-authors...
[2008/06/07 9:26] Moon Adamant: haven't read it yet Gwyn, sorry .(
[2008/06/07 9:26] MT Lundquist: whats the topic
[2008/06/07 9:27] Moon Adamant: alternative history
[2008/06/07 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes hehe
[2008/06/07 9:27] Danton Sideways: Isn't that a branch of cyberpunk, like steampunk about how the 18th century COULD have been?
[2008/06/07 9:28] You: haha
[2008/06/07 9:28] Moon Adamant: yes, in a way steampunk is alternative history
[2008/06/07 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, sort of something like that
[2008/06/07 9:28] Moon Adamant: but generally AH picks a single moment in the past
[2008/06/07 9:28] MT Lundquist: her other alternative is to come in if we all do naked RA lol
[2008/06/07 9:28] Moon Adamant: and rewrites history from that moment
[2008/06/07 9:28] You: At 930 I will suggest we declare ourselves unable to meet and try again next week, colleagues
[2008/06/07 9:28] MT Lundquist: i'm just relaying messages
[2008/06/07 9:28] MT Lundquist: dont shoot me
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL MT :)
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: you have a very good book of alternative history about american secession war
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: called Pavane
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I second Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:29] You: well THAT really ought to be in CN, no?
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: called "Pavane"
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: i can't remember the author, sorry
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We could use the Thermae for that ;)
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh Moon...
[2008/06/07 9:29] You: I guess the book "ssgb" would fall in that class
[2008/06/07 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: if i could come to RA and see you lovely people i would but i have a headache and i really dont feel like it ok ??
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: from prin
[2008/06/07 9:30] You: I dunno Gwyn, didn't someone ban hot tubs, evil grin?
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: my name is theprincess it comes from the book theprincess and the pea [17:30:13] pennyp says: i am very sensitive
[2008/06/07 9:30] You: is there an, um, community thermae somewhwre too?
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: so please stop wishing
[2008/06/07 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Thermae is an 'approved' hot-tubby building
[2008/06/07 9:30] You: what I don't know about CN would fill volumes
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: i am on a little break
[2008/06/07 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and MT, my best wishes of a full recovery to Prin, I hope she gets rid of her headache soon
[2008/06/07 9:31] MT Lundquist: this is cut and paste
[2008/06/07 9:31] Moon Adamant: yes, best recovery
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose is also doing another attempt to join us...
[2008/06/07 9:32] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT hmm
[2008/06/07 9:32] You: Poor J[censored] and B[censored], they were so hoping CN was going to be Colonia Orgy-a
[2008/06/07 9:32] Moon Adamant: do you think they may have been confused by last saturday the RA was an hour later?
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: if the RA meeting is over,
[2008/06/07 9:32] You: ahem, smile
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry!
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn looks at the time
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: It's 09h30. May I declare thi a failed meeting and release our colleagues if they wis?
[2008/06/07 9:33] Moon Adamant makes a sad face
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was just going to suggest that we review the pending things for the Commission With The Long Name
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: so no naked RA then
[2008/06/07 9:33] Patroklus Murakami: :(
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: i guess
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: With apologies to Moon and the Guild & others who may have had business this week
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: i'll tell prin
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: rtight
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: and yes, love to stay and hear that, Gwyn, great idea
[2008/06/07 9:34] MT Lundquist: she says yes please to the orgy and she will log back in
[2008/06/07 9:34] MT Lundquist: but really she has a headache
[2008/06/07 9:34] You: although of course if that commisson is to meet it also must announce time :)
[2008/06/07 9:34] MT Lundquist: hi rose
[2008/06/07 9:34] You: Well our best wishes to Prin
[2008/06/07 9:34] Rose Springvale: hi everyone
[2008/06/07 9:34] Moon Adamant: MT, thank her for us
[2008/06/07 9:34] Moon Adamant: hi Rose
[2008/06/07 9:35] You: Good morning (such as it is) Rose :)
[2008/06/07 9:35] Rose Springvale: hi Jamie... sigh.. you guys look a little sparse
[2008/06/07 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi hi Rose :D
[2008/06/07 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, well, we are
[2008/06/07 9:36] Rose Springvale: sighs
[2008/06/07 9:36] You: We just concluded we're not having RA, and offered the rest of this time to Gwyn to help organize The Miscellaneous Good Intentions Commission
[2008/06/07 9:37] Rose Springvale: oh. i thought this was the chancellor meeting today
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe well
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, it *was*...
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so hmm
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, what time would be best for you?
[2008/06/07 9:37] You: So did I, he says in a deceptively mild tone
[2008/06/07 9:37] Rose Springvale: does he come later?
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, how much time should that be announced in advance?
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3 days? 1 day? 5 minutes? :D
[2008/06/07 9:37] You: oh he will come :)
[2008/06/07 9:37] MT Lundquist: best time?
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, for the Commission
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which ought to have met 2 weeks ago
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn blames herself
[2008/06/07 9:38] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the one to get all sorts of proposals on term limits, overlapping roles, and code of conduct
[2008/06/07 9:38] You: hm
[2008/06/07 9:38] MT Lundquist: just suggest sometime
[2008/06/07 9:38] MT Lundquist: times
[2008/06/07 9:38] Patroklus Murakami: aah, i see :)
[2008/06/07 9:39] You: The Commission of Good Intentions and Unspeakble Name :D
[2008/06/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's the one :D
[2008/06/07 9:39] Patroklus Murakami: "the path to hell....."
[2008/06/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let me see... Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday I'm usually unavailable from 2 PM to 5 PM SLT
[2008/06/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can meet either earlier or later...
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tomorrow, I have something at 2:30 PM
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i go to bed at 12pm slt weekdays
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, all right.
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: wait
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 12 PM SLT?
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: its so i'm adjusted to Prins day
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i work
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I go to sleep much earlier lol
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: she works
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i sleep
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i get up at 4am in my morning
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow!
[2008/06/07 9:41] You: You are a saint MT
[2008/06/07 9:41] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: jamie, how much advance notice should we give then?
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd suggest mmh Tuesday at 2 PM perhaps?
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or Thursday, from noon onwards to 6 PM would be fine
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: same on Friday
[2008/06/07 9:42] MT Lundquist: noon thursday may be ok for an hour
[2008/06/07 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
[2008/06/07 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Works for me...
[2008/06/07 9:42] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it gives 5 days or so advance notice.
[2008/06/07 9:43] MT Lundquist: ok well i guess i may as well go if theres no meeting
[2008/06/07 9:44] You: Yup and thanks for trying MT
[2008/06/07 9:44] You: before you go
[2008/06/07 9:44] MT Lundquist: np
[2008/06/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, thanks so much for coming...
[2008/06/07 9:44] MT Lundquist: see you all again
[2008/06/07 9:44] Rose Springvale: that means you all can go make me an auction donation :)
[2008/06/07 9:44] You: is there a specific timing issue on the Commerce Commission output?
[2008/06/07 9:44] MT Lundquist: only when RA wants it
[2008/06/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/06/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and YES, Rosie dear!)
[2008/06/07 9:45] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/06/07 9:45] MT Lundquist: ok bye for now
[2008/06/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: See you soon, MT :)
[2008/06/07 9:45] Rose Springvale: thanks Gwyn!
[2008/06/07 9:45] Danton Sideways: When is the auction again?
[2008/06/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prepare to be spammed, Rose :D
[2008/06/07 9:45] Rose Springvale: tomorrow at 2 slt
[2008/06/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tomorrow?
[2008/06/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: in alpine meadows
[2008/06/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: now danton, i must insist
[2008/06/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: that you open your invitation
[2008/06/07 9:46] You: Anything you need from us infomally on The Nameless Commission, G?
[2008/06/07 9:46] Danton Sideways: I must have filed it
[2008/06/07 9:46] Patroklus Murakami: i must get going too, bye everyone :)
[2008/06/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye bye! Pat!
[2008/06/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, not really
[2008/06/07 9:47] Rose Springvale: bye pat
[2008/06/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and let's call it "Comission on Term Limts, Overlapping Roles, and RA Code of Conduct" :D
[2008/06/07 9:48] You: the Cthulu Commi - never mind :)
[2008/06/07 9:48] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/06/07 9:49] Moon Adamant: The NG Secretary of the Board would like to make a statement
[2008/06/07 9:49] You: Feel free - though we're probably not ranscripting this, migh wan tto do a forum post too
[2008/06/07 9:50] You: I know your group's worked very hard to deliiver some key material today specificalky.
[2008/06/07 9:50] Moon Adamant: We are very sorry that this RA session failed to happen, as it could decide the immediate exapnsion to 47 new citizens
[2008/06/07 9:51] Moon Adamant: and also approve a very important tool for the NG - our new Charter
[2008/06/07 9:53] Danton Sideways: Everybody must be in IM :)
[2008/06/07 9:53] Rose Springvale: i'm just sitting here collecting donations Danton lol
[2008/06/07 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn is swamping Rose in donations
[2008/06/07 9:54] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 9:54] Moon Adamant: ok, i will remove the cubes from the wall
[2008/06/07 9:54] Danton Sideways: Nothing to donate so I'll try to show up to buy something
[2008/06/07 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Some of these outfits are actually very nice, Rose!.... just out of fashion hehe
[2008/06/07 9:54] You: Gwyn I think I promised to make a suggestion about something you personally could donate to the auction, grin
[2008/06/07 9:54] Rose Springvale: Vintage, Gwyn, Vintage
[2008/06/07 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn *coughs* riiiiight
[2008/06/07 9:54] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/06/07 9:54] Rose Springvale: danton, just come and support us :)
[2008/06/07 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie... let's hear it!
[2008/06/07 9:55] Danton Sideways: Hey FR!
[2008/06/07 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: hi, sorry for being late
[2008/06/07 9:55] Rose Springvale: hi FRC
[2008/06/07 9:55] Moon Adamant: hello FR
[2008/06/07 9:55] You: well well
[2008/06/07 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Welcome, FR :)
[2008/06/07 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: rezzig...
[2008/06/07 9:55] You: Good morning Roc
[2008/06/07 9:55] You: We declared inquorate at 09h30 but have been chatting informally
[2008/06/07 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Better late than never, FR!
[2008/06/07 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: ah
[2008/06/07 9:56] Flyingroc Chung: this is the portugese motto, no?
[2008/06/07 9:56] You: let's see who still is on line
[2008/06/07 9:56] Flyingroc Chung: ;-)
[2008/06/07 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe yes it is, FR ;)
[2008/06/07 9:56] Moon Adamant: MT is
[2008/06/07 9:58] Jamie Palisades is IM ing with MT
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, Master Roc
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: how have you been? :)
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Did you sleep well? :)
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2008/06/07 9:59] Rose Springvale: hmmmm
[2008/06/07 9:59] Flyingroc Chung: Lots of work
[2008/06/07 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ouchie.
[2008/06/07 9:59] Flyingroc Chung: I got home at 9:00 last night
[2008/06/07 9:59] Moon Adamant: Princess is logged too
[2008/06/07 9:59] Rose Springvale: yikes.
[2008/06/07 9:59] Rose Springvale: do you think we sent you out there to work all the time? oh no!
[2008/06/07 10:00] Flyingroc Chung: well, we were building this interesting spellchecker application that would take advantage of multicore processors
[2008/06/07 10:00] Flyingroc Chung: unfortunately, ours is not as good as Word's, which isn't all that good to begin with. :-)
[2008/06/07 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I thought it was because he enjoyed the rain, Rose... :D
[2008/06/07 10:01] Rose Springvale: nods like she understands multicore processors
[2008/06/07 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: omg it rained the whole week
[2008/06/07 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's *finally* sunny around here :D
[2008/06/07 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: I think seattle has more vampires than anywhere else, since the sun is never out here
[2008/06/07 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But we had to wait soooo long... lol
[2008/06/07 10:01] Rose Springvale: you are not used to that.. it will drive you crazy
[2008/06/07 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha FR
[2008/06/07 10:01] Rose Springvale: vampires in Seattle.. now THAT is a book
[2008/06/07 10:01] You: we're not getting MT back I think
[2008/06/07 10:01] You: Coffee Vampires!
[2008/06/07 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: though it doesn't matter, I'm in a small windowless room most of the day anyway
[2008/06/07 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs* @ Jamie and is not surprised
[2008/06/07 10:02] Flyingroc Chung: basking in the glow of the monitor
[2008/06/07 10:02] Danton Sideways: At least it's a room
[2008/06/07 10:02] Danton Sideways: and not just a cubicle
[2008/06/07 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You'll get a nice UV tan, FR :)
[2008/06/07 10:02] Flyingroc Chung: Danton, I'm "doubled up" with somebody else
[2008/06/07 10:03] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: FRC, i could use a cute little gadget donation for the auction...
[2008/06/07 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, you've got a *Guild* Tshirt? How cool
[2008/06/07 10:03] Danton Sideways: better than being in just one giant room
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: hm
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: yes, and you too can have one tomorrow!
[2008/06/07 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: true, danton
[2008/06/07 10:03] You: So what's this I heard about DPU, Roc ? :)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I hope to be able to bid for one ;)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: all I have are gambling games
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: Cindy made them, any donation to the guild will get you one :)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooooh gossip?!
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: you have coffee!
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: < has seen coffee
[2008/06/07 10:04] You: oh - right - Gwyn: donate a trans copy of your smoking anim
[2008/06/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders what the "coffee" thingy is :)
[2008/06/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah... sure
[2008/06/07 10:04] You: this is virtual Europe, dammit!
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol :D
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: she gave me a billion things
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, mostly old clothes
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but I can give some anims too
[2008/06/07 10:05] You: in fact Sudane's cafe should be posted as the smoking section!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: Vintage Gwyn!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: Vintage!!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Danton Sideways: cool
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: i will teach you to market yet :)
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, yes, all right, vintage!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd love to take classes!!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 10:06] Danton Sideways: tell M
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: i have all the perms on these right? i hope to never uncheck another perm box again lol
[2008/06/07 10:07] Flyingroc Chung: I have hm a blackjack table
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: fun!
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You should, Rose
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope you do lol
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The clothes are ok
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: okay :)
[2008/06/07 10:07] Flyingroc Chung: those are illegal now
[2008/06/07 10:07] You: hm
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All designers before 2006 always made permissions no-copy but transfer
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: only if used to gamble with.. can you play without gambling?
[2008/06/07 10:07] Danton Sideways: vintage!
[2008/06/07 10:08] You: not if they are not fed wih money:)
[2008/06/07 10:08] Rose Springvale: lol danton!
[2008/06/07 10:08] Flyingroc Chung: nope
[2008/06/07 10:08] Rose Springvale: hmm
[2008/06/07 10:08] Rose Springvale: are charity casino nightst alllowed?
[2008/06/07 10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmmh
[2008/06/07 10:08] You: close call, grin, nose wrinkle
[2008/06/07 10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think not, UNLESS you can prove you're a RL charity and chartered to do gambling ;)
[2008/06/07 10:09] Rose Springvale: usually charity nights are exempt from charters...
[2008/06/07 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, I have been for long trying to worry LL's lawyers
[2008/06/07 10:09] Rose Springvale: unless they sell liquor...
[2008/06/07 10:09] Danton Sideways: at least put TM on it
[2008/06/07 10:09] You: oo
[2008/06/07 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Around here, *anyone* can create a game to win money IF you get a permission from the authorities (it's mostly bureaucracy, not really more than that)
[2008/06/07 10:09] You: let's auction off Robin L!
[2008/06/07 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So what would LL do,
[2008/06/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: if I'd send them a permit? :)
[2008/06/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: smile
[2008/06/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh jamie
[2008/06/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: she'd fetch zillions of L$!!
[2008/06/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: i'll send her ants..
[2008/06/07 10:10] Danton Sideways: how much on Facebook?
[2008/06/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: does facebook sell now??
[2008/06/07 10:11] Danton Sideways: they have an application where you "buy" other people's profiles
[2008/06/07 10:11] Flyingroc Chung: when's the auction, rose?
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: oh my
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: tomorrow
[2008/06/07 10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes hehe
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: :) 2-5
[2008/06/07 10:11] Flyingroc Chung: ah
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: no worries FRC
[2008/06/07 10:12] Flyingroc Chung: I'll go see if I can score some goodies from a few friends
[2008/06/07 10:12] Rose Springvale: oh great!
[2008/06/07 10:12] Rose Springvale: and invite them to come
[2008/06/07 10:12] Flyingroc Chung: I havent made a single thing in more than a year
[2008/06/07 10:12] Rose Springvale: ahhh
[2008/06/07 10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh* @ FR and understands *perfectly*
[2008/06/07 10:12] Flyingroc Chung: and those were all gambling games
[2008/06/07 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, are you going to auction things individually, or in batches?...
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we have Sonja here :D
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Sonja!
[2008/06/07 10:14] You: well hello
[2008/06/07 10:14] Rose Springvale: i'm not sure.. i was going to do individual, but i've gotten a couple of large batches.. so maybe both
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Rose
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: good, so I don't need to send you more things?? hehe
[2008/06/07 10:14] Moon Adamant: hi Sonja! .)
[2008/06/07 10:14] Rose Springvale: you have done enough :) thanks :)
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[2008/06/07 10:14] Sonja Strom: Hi everybody.
[2008/06/07 10:14] Sonja Strom: Sorry I am late.
[2008/06/07 10:14] You: Not sure about proceeding, to be fair
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi :)
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn is open to anything
[2008/06/07 10:15] You: on the one hand we adjounred
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: related to the RA ;)
[2008/06/07 10:15] You: can I quote you :D
[2008/06/07 10:15] Moon Adamant: Jamie, pass a motion between present if they want to have the session?
[2008/06/07 10:15] You: well that's what we are discussing Moon
[2008/06/07 10:15] Moon Adamant: the present RA members, of course
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh
[2008/06/07 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I sense "irregularity" here, however, the RA is sovereign
[2008/06/07 10:16] You: a point in favor of going fwd: all are online except BV, so can choose wheether to attend, and we're still within the original meeting time
[2008/06/07 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and if you inform MT, jamie...
[2008/06/07 10:16] You: yup
[2008/06/07 10:16] You: can I tell him and Prin that the four of us are inclined to convene?
[2008/06/07 10:16] Moon Adamant: yes, and RA is sovereign to pass motions
[2008/06/07 10:16] Rose Springvale: do you still have seven day voting?
[2008/06/07 10:16] Jamie Palisades hopes a tiara does not come with thie 'sovereignty' thing
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: let's constrain this a sec.
[2008/06/07 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn hands over a *sceptre*
[2008/06/07 10:17] Flyingroc Chung: is there anything pressing we need to discuss?
[2008/06/07 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR: yes, the NG charter
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: Sonja, Gwyn and Roc. Do you wish to convene?
[2008/06/07 10:17] Moon Adamant: new sim
[2008/06/07 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie: aye!
[2008/06/07 10:17] Moon Adamant: altenstadt redeployment....
[2008/06/07 10:17] Flyingroc Chung: sure
[2008/06/07 10:17] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: kk
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: doin it
[2008/06/07 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn will be right back, sorry
[2008/06/07 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and baaaack :D
[2008/06/07 10:21] You: OK
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: I have communicated w MT and Prin and never retracted the original call to BV
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: so
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: I believe that our best judgment is that we're free to convene, given that we are within the originl stated time commitment for the meeting
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: this is of course open to challenge :)
[2008/06/07 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: all righty :)
[2008/06/07 10:22] Rose Springvale: yay!
[2008/06/07 10:22] Rose Springvale: ;)
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: But I'm unaware of a rule, or fairness principle, that bars us convening late. Anyone else see a problem?
[2008/06/07 10:23] Sonja Strom: 3 of the 4 factions are present.
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: (and thanks for coming, Sonja and Roc)
[2008/06/07 10:23] Jamie Palisades looks around - sees no objections
[2008/06/07 10:23] Moon Adamant: and the 4th is not present out of their choice, as it seems
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[2008/06/07 10:23] You: OK, we're convened then, and thank you.
[2008/06/07 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: None from me... I might have objected if we were NOT within the announced time/day
[2008/06/07 10:23] Moon Adamant: agenda, please?
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: proposed agenda here -
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1892
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: and it needs work :)
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: take a look whle I run through the administrative trivia
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[2008/06/07 10:24] You: 1a - all please assent to recording. I assent
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: taking out of order slightly
[2008/06/07 10:24] Moon Adamant: assent
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: 1d - Please read the posted transcripts, advise me of any flaws
[2008/06/07 10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I definitely assent :)
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[2008/06/07 10:25] You: 1c - we DID have speakers for today
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: hm
[2008/06/07 10:25] Flyingroc Chung assents
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: Guild, and Pat on Elections stuff
[2008/06/07 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right... we did
[2008/06/07 10:25] Danton Sideways: I assent
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: Moon knows; I will IM Pat - but his plan can wait a week, he said
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: so arguably noi mission-critical
[2008/06/07 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pat had to go, yes... so we can start with the Guild first
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[2008/06/07 10:25] You: 1b
[2008/06/07 10:26] You: agenda :)
[2008/06/07 10:26] Sonja Strom: I assent to be recorded
[2008/06/07 10:26] Danton Sideways: Hi Nicolae have a seat
[2008/06/07 10:26] You: I suggest we move the guild items first
[2008/06/07 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: welcome, Nicolae!
[2008/06/07 10:26] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/06/07 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds the LRA's suggestion
[2008/06/07 10:26] You: any objections?
[2008/06/07 10:26] Nicolae Debevec: hi
[2008/06/07 10:26] Flyingroc Chung: nope
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: Hello Nico - you are welcome but this is a formal meeting., see some agenda and process rulkes here if you like -
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1892
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: OK
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[2008/06/07 10:27] You: 1e future meetings
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: next week same time
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: Sudane has committed to us for that meeting
[2008/06/07 10:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn will sadly not be around but ok
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: so I will inquire of Alexi about the meeting after that
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: and we will discuss where to go from there :)
[2008/06/07 10:28] You: also note a number of actions and commissions that will need to move fast if the opening of the next CDS election is a deadline
[2008/06/07 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn makes note to self to grumble at the missing Chancellor
[2008/06/07 10:28] Jamie Palisades smiles - skeptically
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[2008/06/07 10:28] You: 1f
[2008/06/07 10:28] You: consent items
[2008/06/07 10:28] You: I have none. Anyone else?
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[2008/06/07 10:29] You: :) OK then. Moon? Sim4 or Charter first?
[2008/06/07 10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh I think not... there was some thoughts of Pat pushing a vote on the election thingies without dicussion
[2008/06/07 10:29] Flyingroc Chung: what election thingies?
[2008/06/07 10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, he was here to present that himself, FR...
[2008/06/07 10:29] Moon Adamant: Charter first I believe
[2008/06/07 10:30] Jamie Palisades smiles - Pat's alternative ideas re Election Commission thread - but Moon's items have the floor :)
[2008/06/07 10:30] Moon Adamant: since it really is a simple document
[2008/06/07 10:30] Moon Adamant: that organizes the Guild's structure in face of the new Private Sim Dev, not to mention some internal organization that was needeed, as we epanded our activities
[2008/06/07 10:30] Moon Adamant: it's the red cube on the wall :)
[2008/06/07 10:31] You: or, for the transcript - http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1875
[2008/06/07 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn does not have anything to add on that issue  I have read the charter quite often, and seen its development over the months, and I'm happy with it as it stands now
[2008/06/07 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean the new, proposed charter
[2008/06/07 10:32] You: Mooon, can I just confirm -
[2008/06/07 10:32] Moon Adamant: the charter, as usual, was the result of a collaborative document~
[2008/06/07 10:32] Moon Adamant: yes?
[2008/06/07 10:33] You: this text has been approved by Faculty and New Guild without change,right? As posted 25 May?
[2008/06/07 10:33] Moon Adamant: exactly
[2008/06/07 10:33] Flyingroc Chung: Does it sem like the secretary of the board is actually extremely difficlt to remove?
[2008/06/07 10:33] You: annnd it was avail for public comment? just a sec Roc please
[2008/06/07 10:33] Moon Adamant: it was voted unanimously at both Faculty and Board, if i am not mistaken
[2008/06/07 10:33] Moon Adamant: it was avaliable for public comment within the Faculty
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: well
[2008/06/07 10:34] Moon Adamant: then it was published for a wekk for omore public comment, there was none
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: by 'public' I mean, there it is, on the forums :)
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: right
[2008/06/07 10:34] Moon Adamant: then was voted at the board
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: so :) ready for us then
[2008/06/07 10:34] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (the post was up for public discussion to all interested parties on Sun May 25, 2008 8:51 am)
[2008/06/07 10:35] Moon Adamant: but was approved only last sunday
[2008/06/07 10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/06/07 10:35] Moon Adamant: 1st June
[2008/06/07 10:35] You: OK thx
[2008/06/07 10:35] You: Roc you had a Q?
[2008/06/07 10:35] Flyingroc Chung: yes, 4/5 majority to eject the chair and the secretary?
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: that was a point that was specially voted
[2008/06/07 10:36] You: hm
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: voted
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: since the board, as you can read, is an ad-hocracy
[2008/06/07 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR: also note: 9. The Board decides by ad-hoc democracy (all citizens present at a Board meeting can vote)
[2008/06/07 10:36] You: seems a little undemocratic to me frankly - I dislike entrenched leadership roles on principle
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: no, not at all
[2008/06/07 10:37] Moon Adamant: you see that all citizens can show up at the guild meeting and pass a motion to depose the Sec
[2008/06/07 10:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, honestly, it's actually not the RA's place to 'impose' models of work to NGOs -- we just have to validate if it follows our rules for incorporation/chartering, and that newer legislation (like the BAC; and the implications on restricting 'role overlap') have been taken care of.
[2008/06/07 10:38] You: hmm - so the argument isthat a supermajority is needed to deal with an unusually transient voting cohort. Moon, the basis for my assumption is that any leader whose removal requires 4/5tha will need only acquire 20% to be untouchable
[2008/06/07 10:38] Moon Adamant: well, Jamie, this point was highly debated
[2008/06/07 10:38] You: :) we respectfully may disagree Gwyn - but let's talk about the merits first
[2008/06/07 10:38] Moon Adamant: and as said, it required a special motion
[2008/06/07 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie
[2008/06/07 10:38] You: Moon, can you give us a little flavor of why the guild reached this solution?
[2008/06/07 10:39] Moon Adamant: well, first of all, the Sec and Chair will delegate much more power
[2008/06/07 10:39] Moon Adamant: in the departments
[2008/06/07 10:39] Moon Adamant: namely - financials
[2008/06/07 10:40] Moon Adamant: the main issue, i believe, was a generalized fear that an hostile take over in an ad-hocracy could unstabilize the Guild processes
[2008/06/07 10:41] Moon Adamant: processes and projects
[2008/06/07 10:41] Moon Adamant: we're there to work, after all
[2008/06/07 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Again, I insist that the Guild, as a NGO, is treated as such by the RA  so either the RA refuses to grant a charter, or it accepts it
[2008/06/07 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Interfering with how the Guild organises itself is, well, against our common practice
[2008/06/07 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The few legislation we have for incorporation and such just defines the terms of registration, which certainly allow each organisation to, well, organise itself as they wish
[2008/06/07 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What the RA *has* to validate are the bits that interconnect with Governmental work: in this case, the BAC and the non-overlap of some roles
[2008/06/07 10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I'd like to propose a motion for the RA to accept the New Guild Charter as it is.
[2008/06/07 10:44] You: I second it.
[2008/06/07 10:45] You: personally not sure I agree with GL that we can't kibitz on NGO governance - but Moon's substantive arguments here seem to support the decision
[2008/06/07 10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles
[2008/06/07 10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/06/07 10:45] You: Any other discussion on motion?
[2008/06/07 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for further discussion...
[2008/06/07 10:46] Flyingroc Chung: none here
[2008/06/07 10:47] You: Let me mention: Prin and MT have, understandably, requested 7 day vote on all action items today. This has the effects noted in our rules, but as I see it is NOT an obstacle to our proceeding -- we will just have to see if they later choose to register votes that would change any of these outcomes.
[2008/06/07 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right.
[2008/06/07 10:47] You: anyone have a problem with my take on that?
[2008/06/07 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: None whatsoever :D
[2008/06/07 10:47] Flyingroc Chung: nope
[2008/06/07 10:47] You: OK then. Ready to vote?
[2008/06/07 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready and votes 'aye'
[2008/06/07 10:48] You: Members please state your vote on the motion to approve Guild charter as submitted, which I assume *replaces* any old charters in total. I vote aye
[2008/06/07 10:48] You: Sonja? Roc?
[2008/06/07 10:48] Flyingroc Chung: aye
[2008/06/07 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, basically this supercedes NL 6-2)
[2008/06/07 10:49] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 10:49] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/06/07 10:49] Flyingroc Chung: are we keeping the wiki up to date?
[2008/06/07 10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No :)
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: thanks. I declare it passed 4-0-0- subjectto adjustment by the 7 day rule, at the request of MT and ThePrincess.
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: thank you :)
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: Roc :) let's do have that chat
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: but not on Moon's clock
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: lol
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: heh
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: ok, next
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[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: 4 th Sim
[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: on the wall behind sonja
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