RA Meeting 07 June 2008 - transcript

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RA Meeting 07 June 2008 - transcript

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See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1909 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 07 June 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Neufreistadt Rathaus
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items
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[2008/06/07 8:56] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Avilion%20Grove/160/133/43
[2008/06/07 8:57] You: Good morning Danton. How are you?
[2008/06/07 8:57] Danton Sideways: Hi Jamie
[2008/06/07 8:58] Danton Sideways: Alright and you?
[2008/06/07 8:58] Danton Sideways: Hi Pat
[2008/06/07 8:58] Patroklus Murakami: hi :)
[2008/06/07 8:58] You: Good, thanks. Hi Pat. Retreating into IM for a moment :) 'scuse me
[2008/06/07 9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi all!
[2008/06/07 9:01] MT Lundquist: hi all
[2008/06/07 9:01] Patroklus Murakami: hi gwyn mt :)
[2008/06/07 9:01] Danton Sideways: Hi MT, hi Gwyn
[2008/06/07 9:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn *Waves*
[2008/06/07 9:01] MT Lundquist: hi gywn
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hiii MT
[2008/06/07 9:02] You: Good morning. I just sent off the obvious IMs and TP invites.
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, I know -- I should have been in touch with you, MT :( Sorry about that
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good morning, Jamie ;)
[2008/06/07 9:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wakie-wakie call? :)
[2008/06/07 9:02] You: quite a few actually
[2008/06/07 9:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Drag those lazy RA members into the meeting :D
[2008/06/07 9:03] You: Now let's see. Did we get any official regrets for today?
[2008/06/07 9:04] You: No, no, Gwyn, wiser heads have told me that all RA memebers are just the instruments of their factions :)
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes.
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn is just a 'bot of the CSDF
[2008/06/07 9:04] You: so If they dont show up presumably we talk to their estemeed faction leaders eh?
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh btw... I'm afraid I won't be able to make it next Saturday at this time :( At 8 AM I'll be doing a book signing event iRL *sighs*
[2008/06/07 9:04] Patroklus Murakami: book signing? ooh! do tell
[2008/06/07 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You should, Mr LRA
[2008/06/07 9:04] MT Lundquist: whats the book gwyn
[2008/06/07 9:05] You: hmmm a Gwynbot .. how ... disturbing :) yeah, what's the book?
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, pfft, I don't even want to discuss that lol
[2008/06/07 9:05] You: 1001 uses for smoking animations?
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm just one of several co-authors... the organiser of the anthology is a personal friend who *insisted* that I contributed to it
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: now, *that* would be something I'd much prefer to do!
[2008/06/07 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/06/07 9:06] Jamie Palisades smiles and notes we are not yet quorate.
[2008/06/07 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles back and patiently waits
[2008/06/07 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn tries to get some citizens here too...
[2008/06/07 9:07] Moon Adamant: hello everyone :)
[2008/06/07 9:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Moonie :)
[2008/06/07 9:07] MT Lundquist: hi moon
[2008/06/07 9:07] You: I'm not yet ready to panic if we miss one or two - so far since I joined and have been watching, RA members have been pretty good about quorum and attending.
[2008/06/07 9:07] You: Good day Madame Guild Secretary :D
[2008/06/07 9:07] Danton Sideways: Hi Moon
[2008/06/07 9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 9:08] You: You longtimers maybe can tell me - has CDS RA had many (SC-like, heh heh) dryspells where there are persistent quorum problems?
[2008/06/07 9:09] Patroklus Murakami: yes :0
[2008/06/07 9:09] Patroklus Murakami: almost every term
[2008/06/07 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes.
[2008/06/07 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What would a CDS institution be without a quorum problem? :D
[2008/06/07 9:09] Patroklus Murakami: it's been better recently, but I remember when most RA meetings were inquorate after about the third month
[2008/06/07 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Pat
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We've been quite lucky so far!
[2008/06/07 9:10] Patroklus Murakami: ppl losing interest is the usual problem
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or, well, not having time
[2008/06/07 9:10] You: have weekly (versus biweekly) meetings been the usual? I myself see a little fatigue setting in with this lot
[2008/06/07 9:10] Patroklus Murakami: the last two or three RAs have been unusual in meeting most weeks
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: December meetings, for instance, are usually very very hard
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, yes, weekly is best
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would even like more per week.... hehe
[2008/06/07 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or we won't ever get anything done!...
[2008/06/07 9:10] Patroklus Murakami: well, fortnightly meetings used to be the norm, but they tend to fall into inquoracy more quickly
[2008/06/07 9:11] You: ah
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Pat, you're also quite right on that
[2008/06/07 9:11] Patroklus Murakami: weekly is better for keeping everyone on board
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "is this the day we meet, or next week? oops"
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's what usually happens
[2008/06/07 9:11] You: more meetings = more shots at making quorum, so to speak?
[2008/06/07 9:11] You: :)
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, a trade-off, Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: once per week is ok for most people
[2008/06/07 9:11] Patroklus Murakami: it just becomes the rhythm so is easier to maintain
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, so we can plan ahead
[2008/06/07 9:12] You: I have FlyingRoc, Sonja, ThePrincess and Beathan as still offline
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: awee Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:12] Patroklus Murakami: gwyn's point is a good one, ppl become confused easily if meetings are fortnightly
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I wonder if they think we're meeting today at 10 AM, like last weekend?...
[2008/06/07 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pat, *I* get confused all the time -- lol
[2008/06/07 9:12] Moon Adamant: yup, that's why i hold the Guild meetings weekly
[2008/06/07 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn is just a silly blonde iRL
[2008/06/07 9:13] Moon Adamant: but try and IM them? if they're by their machines, they'll see the IMs arriving on their mail
[2008/06/07 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Moon, Jamie's been actively IMing everybody
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I love your robes, Jamie, btw :))
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should have a dress code for the RA meetings hehe
[2008/06/07 9:14] MT Lundquist: how many do we need for quorum
[2008/06/07 9:14] You: ah, well, :) Victorian sim party, thanks
[2008/06/07 9:14] You: four of seven
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay :D
[2008/06/07 9:14] You: I see Prin's online
[2008/06/07 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Great!!!
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: she keeps losing internet
[2008/06/07 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ack MT
[2008/06/07 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's too bad :(
[2008/06/07 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is SL one another bad day today?....
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: its her internet
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: it goes frequently
[2008/06/07 9:15] MT Lundquist: very annoying
[2008/06/07 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh... argh
[2008/06/07 9:16] MT Lundquist: its funny, skype usually goes first then she crashes sl
[2008/06/07 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that's VERY annoying :(((
[2008/06/07 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: SL is actually quite good at tolerating disconnections
[2008/06/07 9:16] You: that IS odd
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You can pull the cord out of your computer for half a minute or so, and SL won't crash... often it recovers!
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: Skype does seem to have a heavy - and *spiking* - proicessor load
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: true
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And SL doesn't???? heheheheheh
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: but you know Skype is one of those distributed processor deals like SETI
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It is? Hmm
[2008/06/07 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn uses Skype so little
[2008/06/07 9:17] You: so you can be, intermittently, a node .. amd get a LOT of throughput - whether or not you are yourself in a heavy session
[2008/06/07 9:18] MT Lundquist: prin says she is having problems logging in
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now is Skype also used to discover intelligent lifeforms on Earth? :)
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry, couldn't resist
[2008/06/07 9:18] You: me too, used to keep it on for presence, but now I use GTalk instead (Jabber compliant! Yay standards!)
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Jamie :)
[2008/06/07 9:18] MT Lundquist: she also says she doesnt have the money from Alex yet
[2008/06/07 9:18] You: and SKype client only comes on for cheap VoIP
[2008/06/07 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn had fun yesterday connecting SL to GTalk
[2008/06/07 9:18] You: well :) Alexi committed to join us here also
[2008/06/07 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, wasn't this the Day of the Chancellor?...
[2008/06/07 9:19] Jamie Palisades makes an odd facial gesture indicating slight doubt
[2008/06/07 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/06/07 9:19] You: Another phenom on our list of CDS issues
[2008/06/07 9:19] MT Lundquist: has justice got his new faction up and running yet
[2008/06/07 9:19] You: connection, how, Gwyn?
[2008/06/07 9:19] Moon Adamant: Justice?
[2008/06/07 9:20] You: (and MT, remind me to talk to you or her directly about the L$$$)
[2008/06/07 9:20] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, just having fun... you chat in SL, and it gets funneled to someone in GTalk, who can answer back
[2008/06/07 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll do a GTalk HUD some day :)
[2008/06/07 9:20] MT Lundquist: is that text or voice
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, text only
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although GTalk fully supports voice these days
[2008/06/07 9:21] You: ah. huh. Well my av has a GMail address, thus GTalk ID, so if the Gmail addr is my IM redirect, it all seems to flow fairly well
[2008/06/07 9:21] MT Lundquist: ok interesting
[2008/06/07 9:21] MT Lundquist: how do you set it up?
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have no idea, lol — it doesn't work well on my Mac!
[2008/06/07 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean GTalk with voice
[2008/06/07 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think you have to download a small application from Google...
[2008/06/07 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/06/07 9:22] You: yup
[2008/06/07 9:22] You: it does both a web based ssesion, and a sep client - which is nicely compact
[2008/06/07 9:22] MT Lundquist: right i'll look later
[2008/06/07 9:23] MT Lundquist: how long do we wait?
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: well, let's see :)
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: Do we know if Prin can join us? She'd make quorum
[2008/06/07 9:23] Moon Adamant: you should have a procedure
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: I do, dear
[2008/06/07 9:23] You: public revilement :)
[2008/06/07 9:24] Moon Adamant: like in the portuguese framework code for associations
[2008/06/07 9:24] You: but only with reasonable forbearance
[2008/06/07 9:24] Moon Adamant: that after 30 minutes, session is open with those present
[2008/06/07 9:24] You: huh = interesting, but that would not be very respectful of faction representation?
[2008/06/07 9:25] Moon Adamant: it's they who have clocks
[2008/06/07 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No... hehe
[2008/06/07 9:25] You: my preference would be an automnatic replacement of people who miss a few in a row without giving regrets or etc.
[2008/06/07 9:25] MT Lundquist: prin says she will come in if gwyn will tell us the name of her book
[2008/06/07 9:25] MT Lundquist: shes sick actually
[2008/06/07 9:25] Jamie Palisades smiles
[2008/06/07 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/06/07 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tell her it's in Portuguese anyway, and I'm just one of 13 co-authors...
[2008/06/07 9:26] Moon Adamant: haven't read it yet Gwyn, sorry .(
[2008/06/07 9:26] MT Lundquist: whats the topic
[2008/06/07 9:27] Moon Adamant: alternative history
[2008/06/07 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes hehe
[2008/06/07 9:27] Danton Sideways: Isn't that a branch of cyberpunk, like steampunk about how the 18th century COULD have been?
[2008/06/07 9:28] You: haha
[2008/06/07 9:28] Moon Adamant: yes, in a way steampunk is alternative history
[2008/06/07 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, sort of something like that
[2008/06/07 9:28] Moon Adamant: but generally AH picks a single moment in the past
[2008/06/07 9:28] MT Lundquist: her other alternative is to come in if we all do naked RA lol
[2008/06/07 9:28] Moon Adamant: and rewrites history from that moment
[2008/06/07 9:28] You: At 930 I will suggest we declare ourselves unable to meet and try again next week, colleagues
[2008/06/07 9:28] MT Lundquist: i'm just relaying messages
[2008/06/07 9:28] MT Lundquist: dont shoot me
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL MT :)
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: you have a very good book of alternative history about american secession war
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: called Pavane
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I second Jamie
[2008/06/07 9:29] You: well THAT really ought to be in CN, no?
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: called "Pavane"
[2008/06/07 9:29] Moon Adamant: i can't remember the author, sorry
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We could use the Thermae for that ;)
[2008/06/07 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh Moon...
[2008/06/07 9:29] You: I guess the book "ssgb" would fall in that class
[2008/06/07 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: if i could come to RA and see you lovely people i would but i have a headache and i really dont feel like it ok ??
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: from prin
[2008/06/07 9:30] You: I dunno Gwyn, didn't someone ban hot tubs, evil grin?
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: my name is theprincess it comes from the book theprincess and the pea [17:30:13] pennyp says: i am very sensitive
[2008/06/07 9:30] You: is there an, um, community thermae somewhwre too?
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: so please stop wishing
[2008/06/07 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Thermae is an 'approved' hot-tubby building
[2008/06/07 9:30] You: what I don't know about CN would fill volumes
[2008/06/07 9:30] MT Lundquist: i am on a little break
[2008/06/07 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and MT, my best wishes of a full recovery to Prin, I hope she gets rid of her headache soon
[2008/06/07 9:31] MT Lundquist: this is cut and paste
[2008/06/07 9:31] Moon Adamant: yes, best recovery
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose is also doing another attempt to join us...
[2008/06/07 9:32] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT hmm
[2008/06/07 9:32] You: Poor J[censored] and B[censored], they were so hoping CN was going to be Colonia Orgy-a
[2008/06/07 9:32] Moon Adamant: do you think they may have been confused by last saturday the RA was an hour later?
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: if the RA meeting is over,
[2008/06/07 9:32] You: ahem, smile
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry!
[2008/06/07 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn looks at the time
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: It's 09h30. May I declare thi a failed meeting and release our colleagues if they wis?
[2008/06/07 9:33] Moon Adamant makes a sad face
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was just going to suggest that we review the pending things for the Commission With The Long Name
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: so no naked RA then
[2008/06/07 9:33] Patroklus Murakami: :(
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: i guess
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: With apologies to Moon and the Guild & others who may have had business this week
[2008/06/07 9:33] MT Lundquist: i'll tell prin
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: rtight
[2008/06/07 9:33] You: and yes, love to stay and hear that, Gwyn, great idea
[2008/06/07 9:34] MT Lundquist: she says yes please to the orgy and she will log back in
[2008/06/07 9:34] MT Lundquist: but really she has a headache
[2008/06/07 9:34] You: although of course if that commisson is to meet it also must announce time :)
[2008/06/07 9:34] MT Lundquist: hi rose
[2008/06/07 9:34] You: Well our best wishes to Prin
[2008/06/07 9:34] Rose Springvale: hi everyone
[2008/06/07 9:34] Moon Adamant: MT, thank her for us
[2008/06/07 9:34] Moon Adamant: hi Rose
[2008/06/07 9:35] You: Good morning (such as it is) Rose :)
[2008/06/07 9:35] Rose Springvale: hi Jamie... sigh.. you guys look a little sparse
[2008/06/07 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi hi Rose :D
[2008/06/07 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, well, we are
[2008/06/07 9:36] Rose Springvale: sighs
[2008/06/07 9:36] You: We just concluded we're not having RA, and offered the rest of this time to Gwyn to help organize The Miscellaneous Good Intentions Commission
[2008/06/07 9:37] Rose Springvale: oh. i thought this was the chancellor meeting today
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe well
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, it *was*...
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so hmm
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, what time would be best for you?
[2008/06/07 9:37] You: So did I, he says in a deceptively mild tone
[2008/06/07 9:37] Rose Springvale: does he come later?
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, how much time should that be announced in advance?
[2008/06/07 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3 days? 1 day? 5 minutes? :D
[2008/06/07 9:37] You: oh he will come :)
[2008/06/07 9:37] MT Lundquist: best time?
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, for the Commission
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which ought to have met 2 weeks ago
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn blames herself
[2008/06/07 9:38] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the one to get all sorts of proposals on term limits, overlapping roles, and code of conduct
[2008/06/07 9:38] You: hm
[2008/06/07 9:38] MT Lundquist: just suggest sometime
[2008/06/07 9:38] MT Lundquist: times
[2008/06/07 9:38] Patroklus Murakami: aah, i see :)
[2008/06/07 9:39] You: The Commission of Good Intentions and Unspeakble Name :D
[2008/06/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's the one :D
[2008/06/07 9:39] Patroklus Murakami: "the path to hell....."
[2008/06/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let me see... Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday I'm usually unavailable from 2 PM to 5 PM SLT
[2008/06/07 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can meet either earlier or later...
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tomorrow, I have something at 2:30 PM
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i go to bed at 12pm slt weekdays
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, all right.
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: wait
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 12 PM SLT?
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: its so i'm adjusted to Prins day
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i work
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I go to sleep much earlier lol
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: she works
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i sleep
[2008/06/07 9:40] MT Lundquist: i get up at 4am in my morning
[2008/06/07 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow!
[2008/06/07 9:41] You: You are a saint MT
[2008/06/07 9:41] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: jamie, how much advance notice should we give then?
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd suggest mmh Tuesday at 2 PM perhaps?
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or Thursday, from noon onwards to 6 PM would be fine
[2008/06/07 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: same on Friday
[2008/06/07 9:42] MT Lundquist: noon thursday may be ok for an hour
[2008/06/07 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok!
[2008/06/07 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Works for me...
[2008/06/07 9:42] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/06/07 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it gives 5 days or so advance notice.
[2008/06/07 9:43] MT Lundquist: ok well i guess i may as well go if theres no meeting
[2008/06/07 9:44] You: Yup and thanks for trying MT
[2008/06/07 9:44] You: before you go
[2008/06/07 9:44] MT Lundquist: np
[2008/06/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, thanks so much for coming...
[2008/06/07 9:44] MT Lundquist: see you all again
[2008/06/07 9:44] Rose Springvale: that means you all can go make me an auction donation :)
[2008/06/07 9:44] You: is there a specific timing issue on the Commerce Commission output?
[2008/06/07 9:44] MT Lundquist: only when RA wants it
[2008/06/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/06/07 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and YES, Rosie dear!)
[2008/06/07 9:45] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/06/07 9:45] MT Lundquist: ok bye for now
[2008/06/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: See you soon, MT :)
[2008/06/07 9:45] Rose Springvale: thanks Gwyn!
[2008/06/07 9:45] Danton Sideways: When is the auction again?
[2008/06/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prepare to be spammed, Rose :D
[2008/06/07 9:45] Rose Springvale: tomorrow at 2 slt
[2008/06/07 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tomorrow?
[2008/06/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: in alpine meadows
[2008/06/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: now danton, i must insist
[2008/06/07 9:46] Rose Springvale: that you open your invitation
[2008/06/07 9:46] You: Anything you need from us infomally on The Nameless Commission, G?
[2008/06/07 9:46] Danton Sideways: I must have filed it
[2008/06/07 9:46] Patroklus Murakami: i must get going too, bye everyone :)
[2008/06/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bye bye! Pat!
[2008/06/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, not really
[2008/06/07 9:47] Rose Springvale: bye pat
[2008/06/07 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and let's call it "Comission on Term Limts, Overlapping Roles, and RA Code of Conduct" :D
[2008/06/07 9:48] You: the Cthulu Commi - never mind :)
[2008/06/07 9:48] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/06/07 9:49] Moon Adamant: The NG Secretary of the Board would like to make a statement
[2008/06/07 9:49] You: Feel free - though we're probably not ranscripting this, migh wan tto do a forum post too
[2008/06/07 9:50] You: I know your group's worked very hard to deliiver some key material today specificalky.
[2008/06/07 9:50] Moon Adamant: We are very sorry that this RA session failed to happen, as it could decide the immediate exapnsion to 47 new citizens
[2008/06/07 9:51] Moon Adamant: and also approve a very important tool for the NG - our new Charter
[2008/06/07 9:53] Danton Sideways: Everybody must be in IM :)
[2008/06/07 9:53] Rose Springvale: i'm just sitting here collecting donations Danton lol
[2008/06/07 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn is swamping Rose in donations
[2008/06/07 9:54] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 9:54] Moon Adamant: ok, i will remove the cubes from the wall
[2008/06/07 9:54] Danton Sideways: Nothing to donate so I'll try to show up to buy something
[2008/06/07 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Some of these outfits are actually very nice, Rose!.... just out of fashion hehe
[2008/06/07 9:54] You: Gwyn I think I promised to make a suggestion about something you personally could donate to the auction, grin
[2008/06/07 9:54] Rose Springvale: Vintage, Gwyn, Vintage
[2008/06/07 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn *coughs* riiiiight
[2008/06/07 9:54] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/06/07 9:54] Rose Springvale: danton, just come and support us :)
[2008/06/07 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie... let's hear it!
[2008/06/07 9:55] Danton Sideways: Hey FR!
[2008/06/07 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: hi, sorry for being late
[2008/06/07 9:55] Rose Springvale: hi FRC
[2008/06/07 9:55] Moon Adamant: hello FR
[2008/06/07 9:55] You: well well
[2008/06/07 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Welcome, FR :)
[2008/06/07 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: rezzig...
[2008/06/07 9:55] You: Good morning Roc
[2008/06/07 9:55] You: We declared inquorate at 09h30 but have been chatting informally
[2008/06/07 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Better late than never, FR!
[2008/06/07 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: ah
[2008/06/07 9:56] Flyingroc Chung: this is the portugese motto, no?
[2008/06/07 9:56] You: let's see who still is on line
[2008/06/07 9:56] Flyingroc Chung: ;-)
[2008/06/07 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe yes it is, FR ;)
[2008/06/07 9:56] Moon Adamant: MT is
[2008/06/07 9:58] Jamie Palisades is IM ing with MT
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, Master Roc
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: how have you been? :)
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Did you sleep well? :)
[2008/06/07 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2008/06/07 9:59] Rose Springvale: hmmmm
[2008/06/07 9:59] Flyingroc Chung: Lots of work
[2008/06/07 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ouchie.
[2008/06/07 9:59] Flyingroc Chung: I got home at 9:00 last night
[2008/06/07 9:59] Moon Adamant: Princess is logged too
[2008/06/07 9:59] Rose Springvale: yikes.
[2008/06/07 9:59] Rose Springvale: do you think we sent you out there to work all the time? oh no!
[2008/06/07 10:00] Flyingroc Chung: well, we were building this interesting spellchecker application that would take advantage of multicore processors
[2008/06/07 10:00] Flyingroc Chung: unfortunately, ours is not as good as Word's, which isn't all that good to begin with. :-)
[2008/06/07 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I thought it was because he enjoyed the rain, Rose... :D
[2008/06/07 10:01] Rose Springvale: nods like she understands multicore processors
[2008/06/07 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: omg it rained the whole week
[2008/06/07 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's *finally* sunny around here :D
[2008/06/07 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: I think seattle has more vampires than anywhere else, since the sun is never out here
[2008/06/07 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But we had to wait soooo long... lol
[2008/06/07 10:01] Rose Springvale: you are not used to that.. it will drive you crazy
[2008/06/07 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha FR
[2008/06/07 10:01] Rose Springvale: vampires in Seattle.. now THAT is a book
[2008/06/07 10:01] You: we're not getting MT back I think
[2008/06/07 10:01] You: Coffee Vampires!
[2008/06/07 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: though it doesn't matter, I'm in a small windowless room most of the day anyway
[2008/06/07 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs* @ Jamie and is not surprised
[2008/06/07 10:02] Flyingroc Chung: basking in the glow of the monitor
[2008/06/07 10:02] Danton Sideways: At least it's a room
[2008/06/07 10:02] Danton Sideways: and not just a cubicle
[2008/06/07 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You'll get a nice UV tan, FR :)
[2008/06/07 10:02] Flyingroc Chung: Danton, I'm "doubled up" with somebody else
[2008/06/07 10:03] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: FRC, i could use a cute little gadget donation for the auction...
[2008/06/07 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, you've got a *Guild* Tshirt? How cool
[2008/06/07 10:03] Danton Sideways: better than being in just one giant room
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: hm
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: yes, and you too can have one tomorrow!
[2008/06/07 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: true, danton
[2008/06/07 10:03] You: So what's this I heard about DPU, Roc ? :)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I hope to be able to bid for one ;)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: all I have are gambling games
[2008/06/07 10:03] Rose Springvale: Cindy made them, any donation to the guild will get you one :)
[2008/06/07 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooooh gossip?!
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: you have coffee!
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: < has seen coffee
[2008/06/07 10:04] You: oh - right - Gwyn: donate a trans copy of your smoking anim
[2008/06/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders what the "coffee" thingy is :)
[2008/06/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah... sure
[2008/06/07 10:04] You: this is virtual Europe, dammit!
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol :D
[2008/06/07 10:04] Rose Springvale: she gave me a billion things
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, mostly old clothes
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but I can give some anims too
[2008/06/07 10:05] You: in fact Sudane's cafe should be posted as the smoking section!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: Vintage Gwyn!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: Vintage!!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Danton Sideways: cool
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: i will teach you to market yet :)
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, yes, all right, vintage!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
[2008/06/07 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd love to take classes!!
[2008/06/07 10:05] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/06/07 10:06] Danton Sideways: tell M
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: i have all the perms on these right? i hope to never uncheck another perm box again lol
[2008/06/07 10:07] Flyingroc Chung: I have hm a blackjack table
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: fun!
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You should, Rose
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope you do lol
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The clothes are ok
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: okay :)
[2008/06/07 10:07] Flyingroc Chung: those are illegal now
[2008/06/07 10:07] You: hm
[2008/06/07 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All designers before 2006 always made permissions no-copy but transfer
[2008/06/07 10:07] Rose Springvale: only if used to gamble with.. can you play without gambling?
[2008/06/07 10:07] Danton Sideways: vintage!
[2008/06/07 10:08] You: not if they are not fed wih money:)
[2008/06/07 10:08] Rose Springvale: lol danton!
[2008/06/07 10:08] Flyingroc Chung: nope
[2008/06/07 10:08] Rose Springvale: hmm
[2008/06/07 10:08] Rose Springvale: are charity casino nightst alllowed?
[2008/06/07 10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmmh
[2008/06/07 10:08] You: close call, grin, nose wrinkle
[2008/06/07 10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think not, UNLESS you can prove you're a RL charity and chartered to do gambling ;)
[2008/06/07 10:09] Rose Springvale: usually charity nights are exempt from charters...
[2008/06/07 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, I have been for long trying to worry LL's lawyers
[2008/06/07 10:09] Rose Springvale: unless they sell liquor...
[2008/06/07 10:09] Danton Sideways: at least put TM on it
[2008/06/07 10:09] You: oo
[2008/06/07 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Around here, *anyone* can create a game to win money IF you get a permission from the authorities (it's mostly bureaucracy, not really more than that)
[2008/06/07 10:09] You: let's auction off Robin L!
[2008/06/07 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So what would LL do,
[2008/06/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: if I'd send them a permit? :)
[2008/06/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: smile
[2008/06/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh jamie
[2008/06/07 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: she'd fetch zillions of L$!!
[2008/06/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: i'll send her ants..
[2008/06/07 10:10] Danton Sideways: how much on Facebook?
[2008/06/07 10:10] Rose Springvale: does facebook sell now??
[2008/06/07 10:11] Danton Sideways: they have an application where you "buy" other people's profiles
[2008/06/07 10:11] Flyingroc Chung: when's the auction, rose?
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: oh my
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: tomorrow
[2008/06/07 10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes hehe
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: :) 2-5
[2008/06/07 10:11] Flyingroc Chung: ah
[2008/06/07 10:11] Rose Springvale: no worries FRC
[2008/06/07 10:12] Flyingroc Chung: I'll go see if I can score some goodies from a few friends
[2008/06/07 10:12] Rose Springvale: oh great!
[2008/06/07 10:12] Rose Springvale: and invite them to come
[2008/06/07 10:12] Flyingroc Chung: I havent made a single thing in more than a year
[2008/06/07 10:12] Rose Springvale: ahhh
[2008/06/07 10:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh* @ FR and understands *perfectly*
[2008/06/07 10:12] Flyingroc Chung: and those were all gambling games
[2008/06/07 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose, are you going to auction things individually, or in batches?...
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we have Sonja here :D
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay Sonja!
[2008/06/07 10:14] You: well hello
[2008/06/07 10:14] Rose Springvale: i'm not sure.. i was going to do individual, but i've gotten a couple of large batches.. so maybe both
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Rose
[2008/06/07 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: good, so I don't need to send you more things?? hehe
[2008/06/07 10:14] Moon Adamant: hi Sonja! .)
[2008/06/07 10:14] Rose Springvale: you have done enough :) thanks :)
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[2008/06/07 10:14] Sonja Strom: Hi everybody.
[2008/06/07 10:14] Sonja Strom: Sorry I am late.
[2008/06/07 10:14] You: Not sure about proceeding, to be fair
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hi :)
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn is open to anything
[2008/06/07 10:15] You: on the one hand we adjounred
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: related to the RA ;)
[2008/06/07 10:15] You: can I quote you :D
[2008/06/07 10:15] Moon Adamant: Jamie, pass a motion between present if they want to have the session?
[2008/06/07 10:15] You: well that's what we are discussing Moon
[2008/06/07 10:15] Moon Adamant: the present RA members, of course
[2008/06/07 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh
[2008/06/07 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I sense "irregularity" here, however, the RA is sovereign
[2008/06/07 10:16] You: a point in favor of going fwd: all are online except BV, so can choose wheether to attend, and we're still within the original meeting time
[2008/06/07 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and if you inform MT, jamie...
[2008/06/07 10:16] You: yup
[2008/06/07 10:16] You: can I tell him and Prin that the four of us are inclined to convene?
[2008/06/07 10:16] Moon Adamant: yes, and RA is sovereign to pass motions
[2008/06/07 10:16] Rose Springvale: do you still have seven day voting?
[2008/06/07 10:16] Jamie Palisades hopes a tiara does not come with thie 'sovereignty' thing
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: let's constrain this a sec.
[2008/06/07 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn hands over a *sceptre*
[2008/06/07 10:17] Flyingroc Chung: is there anything pressing we need to discuss?
[2008/06/07 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR: yes, the NG charter
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: Sonja, Gwyn and Roc. Do you wish to convene?
[2008/06/07 10:17] Moon Adamant: new sim
[2008/06/07 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie: aye!
[2008/06/07 10:17] Moon Adamant: altenstadt redeployment....
[2008/06/07 10:17] Flyingroc Chung: sure
[2008/06/07 10:17] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: kk
[2008/06/07 10:17] You: doin it
[2008/06/07 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn will be right back, sorry
[2008/06/07 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and baaaack :D
[2008/06/07 10:21] You: OK
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: I have communicated w MT and Prin and never retracted the original call to BV
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: so
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: I believe that our best judgment is that we're free to convene, given that we are within the originl stated time commitment for the meeting
[2008/06/07 10:22] You: this is of course open to challenge :)
[2008/06/07 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: all righty :)
[2008/06/07 10:22] Rose Springvale: yay!
[2008/06/07 10:22] Rose Springvale: ;)
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: But I'm unaware of a rule, or fairness principle, that bars us convening late. Anyone else see a problem?
[2008/06/07 10:23] Sonja Strom: 3 of the 4 factions are present.
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: (and thanks for coming, Sonja and Roc)
[2008/06/07 10:23] Jamie Palisades looks around - sees no objections
[2008/06/07 10:23] Moon Adamant: and the 4th is not present out of their choice, as it seems
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[2008/06/07 10:23] You: OK, we're convened then, and thank you.
[2008/06/07 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: None from me... I might have objected if we were NOT within the announced time/day
[2008/06/07 10:23] Moon Adamant: agenda, please?
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: proposed agenda here -
[2008/06/07 10:23] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1892
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: and it needs work :)
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: take a look whle I run through the administrative trivia
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[2008/06/07 10:24] You: 1a - all please assent to recording. I assent
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: taking out of order slightly
[2008/06/07 10:24] Moon Adamant: assent
[2008/06/07 10:24] You: 1d - Please read the posted transcripts, advise me of any flaws
[2008/06/07 10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I definitely assent :)
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[2008/06/07 10:25] You: 1c - we DID have speakers for today
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: hm
[2008/06/07 10:25] Flyingroc Chung assents
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: Guild, and Pat on Elections stuff
[2008/06/07 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right... we did
[2008/06/07 10:25] Danton Sideways: I assent
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: Moon knows; I will IM Pat - but his plan can wait a week, he said
[2008/06/07 10:25] You: so arguably noi mission-critical
[2008/06/07 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pat had to go, yes... so we can start with the Guild first
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[2008/06/07 10:25] You: 1b
[2008/06/07 10:26] You: agenda :)
[2008/06/07 10:26] Sonja Strom: I assent to be recorded
[2008/06/07 10:26] Danton Sideways: Hi Nicolae have a seat
[2008/06/07 10:26] You: I suggest we move the guild items first
[2008/06/07 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: welcome, Nicolae!
[2008/06/07 10:26] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/06/07 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds the LRA's suggestion
[2008/06/07 10:26] You: any objections?
[2008/06/07 10:26] Nicolae Debevec: hi
[2008/06/07 10:26] Flyingroc Chung: nope
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: Hello Nico - you are welcome but this is a formal meeting., see some agenda and process rulkes here if you like -
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1892
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: OK
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[2008/06/07 10:27] You: 1e future meetings
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: next week same time
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: Sudane has committed to us for that meeting
[2008/06/07 10:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn will sadly not be around but ok
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: so I will inquire of Alexi about the meeting after that
[2008/06/07 10:27] You: and we will discuss where to go from there :)
[2008/06/07 10:28] You: also note a number of actions and commissions that will need to move fast if the opening of the next CDS election is a deadline
[2008/06/07 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn makes note to self to grumble at the missing Chancellor
[2008/06/07 10:28] Jamie Palisades smiles - skeptically
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[2008/06/07 10:28] You: 1f
[2008/06/07 10:28] You: consent items
[2008/06/07 10:28] You: I have none. Anyone else?
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[2008/06/07 10:29] You: :) OK then. Moon? Sim4 or Charter first?
[2008/06/07 10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh I think not... there was some thoughts of Pat pushing a vote on the election thingies without dicussion
[2008/06/07 10:29] Flyingroc Chung: what election thingies?
[2008/06/07 10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, he was here to present that himself, FR...
[2008/06/07 10:29] Moon Adamant: Charter first I believe
[2008/06/07 10:30] Jamie Palisades smiles - Pat's alternative ideas re Election Commission thread - but Moon's items have the floor :)
[2008/06/07 10:30] Moon Adamant: since it really is a simple document
[2008/06/07 10:30] Moon Adamant: that organizes the Guild's structure in face of the new Private Sim Dev, not to mention some internal organization that was needeed, as we epanded our activities
[2008/06/07 10:30] Moon Adamant: it's the red cube on the wall :)
[2008/06/07 10:31] You: or, for the transcript - http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1875
[2008/06/07 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn does not have anything to add on that issue — I have read the charter quite often, and seen its development over the months, and I'm happy with it as it stands now
[2008/06/07 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean the new, proposed charter
[2008/06/07 10:32] You: Mooon, can I just confirm -
[2008/06/07 10:32] Moon Adamant: the charter, as usual, was the result of a collaborative document~
[2008/06/07 10:32] Moon Adamant: yes?
[2008/06/07 10:33] You: this text has been approved by Faculty and New Guild without change,right? As posted 25 May?
[2008/06/07 10:33] Moon Adamant: exactly
[2008/06/07 10:33] Flyingroc Chung: Does it sem like the secretary of the board is actually extremely difficlt to remove?
[2008/06/07 10:33] You: annnd it was avail for public comment? just a sec Roc please
[2008/06/07 10:33] Moon Adamant: it was voted unanimously at both Faculty and Board, if i am not mistaken
[2008/06/07 10:33] Moon Adamant: it was avaliable for public comment within the Faculty
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: well
[2008/06/07 10:34] Moon Adamant: then it was published for a wekk for omore public comment, there was none
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: by 'public' I mean, there it is, on the forums :)
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: right
[2008/06/07 10:34] Moon Adamant: then was voted at the board
[2008/06/07 10:34] You: so :) ready for us then
[2008/06/07 10:34] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (the post was up for public discussion to all interested parties on Sun May 25, 2008 8:51 am)
[2008/06/07 10:35] Moon Adamant: but was approved only last sunday
[2008/06/07 10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/06/07 10:35] Moon Adamant: 1st June
[2008/06/07 10:35] You: OK thx
[2008/06/07 10:35] You: Roc you had a Q?
[2008/06/07 10:35] Flyingroc Chung: yes, 4/5 majority to eject the chair and the secretary?
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: that was a point that was specially voted
[2008/06/07 10:36] You: hm
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: voted
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: since the board, as you can read, is an ad-hocracy
[2008/06/07 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR: also note: 9. The Board decides by ad-hoc democracy (all citizens present at a Board meeting can vote)
[2008/06/07 10:36] You: seems a little undemocratic to me frankly - I dislike entrenched leadership roles on principle
[2008/06/07 10:36] Moon Adamant: no, not at all
[2008/06/07 10:37] Moon Adamant: you see that all citizens can show up at the guild meeting and pass a motion to depose the Sec
[2008/06/07 10:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, honestly, it's actually not the RA's place to 'impose' models of work to NGOs -- we just have to validate if it follows our rules for incorporation/chartering, and that newer legislation (like the BAC; and the implications on restricting 'role overlap') have been taken care of.
[2008/06/07 10:38] You: hmm - so the argument isthat a supermajority is needed to deal with an unusually transient voting cohort. Moon, the basis for my assumption is that any leader whose removal requires 4/5tha will need only acquire 20% to be untouchable
[2008/06/07 10:38] Moon Adamant: well, Jamie, this point was highly debated
[2008/06/07 10:38] You: :) we respectfully may disagree Gwyn - but let's talk about the merits first
[2008/06/07 10:38] Moon Adamant: and as said, it required a special motion
[2008/06/07 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie
[2008/06/07 10:38] You: Moon, can you give us a little flavor of why the guild reached this solution?
[2008/06/07 10:39] Moon Adamant: well, first of all, the Sec and Chair will delegate much more power
[2008/06/07 10:39] Moon Adamant: in the departments
[2008/06/07 10:39] Moon Adamant: namely - financials
[2008/06/07 10:40] Moon Adamant: the main issue, i believe, was a generalized fear that an hostile take over in an ad-hocracy could unstabilize the Guild processes
[2008/06/07 10:41] Moon Adamant: processes and projects
[2008/06/07 10:41] Moon Adamant: we're there to work, after all
[2008/06/07 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Again, I insist that the Guild, as a NGO, is treated as such by the RA — so either the RA refuses to grant a charter, or it accepts it
[2008/06/07 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Interfering with how the Guild organises itself is, well, against our common practice
[2008/06/07 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The few legislation we have for incorporation and such just defines the terms of registration, which certainly allow each organisation to, well, organise itself as they wish
[2008/06/07 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What the RA *has* to validate are the bits that interconnect with Governmental work: in this case, the BAC and the non-overlap of some roles
[2008/06/07 10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I'd like to propose a motion for the RA to accept the New Guild Charter as it is.
[2008/06/07 10:44] You: I second it.
[2008/06/07 10:45] You: personally not sure I agree with GL that we can't kibitz on NGO governance - but Moon's substantive arguments here seem to support the decision
[2008/06/07 10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles
[2008/06/07 10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/06/07 10:45] You: Any other discussion on motion?
[2008/06/07 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for further discussion...
[2008/06/07 10:46] Flyingroc Chung: none here
[2008/06/07 10:47] You: Let me mention: Prin and MT have, understandably, requested 7 day vote on all action items today. This has the effects noted in our rules, but as I see it is NOT an obstacle to our proceeding -- we will just have to see if they later choose to register votes that would change any of these outcomes.
[2008/06/07 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right.
[2008/06/07 10:47] You: anyone have a problem with my take on that?
[2008/06/07 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: None whatsoever :D
[2008/06/07 10:47] Flyingroc Chung: nope
[2008/06/07 10:47] You: OK then. Ready to vote?
[2008/06/07 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready and votes 'aye'
[2008/06/07 10:48] You: Members please state your vote on the motion to approve Guild charter as submitted, which I assume *replaces* any old charters in total. I vote aye
[2008/06/07 10:48] You: Sonja? Roc?
[2008/06/07 10:48] Flyingroc Chung: aye
[2008/06/07 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, basically this supercedes NL 6-2)
[2008/06/07 10:49] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 10:49] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/06/07 10:49] Flyingroc Chung: are we keeping the wiki up to date?
[2008/06/07 10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No :)
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: thanks. I declare it passed 4-0-0- subjectto adjustment by the 7 day rule, at the request of MT and ThePrincess.
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: thank you :)
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: Roc :) let's do have that chat
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: but not on Moon's clock
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: lol
[2008/06/07 10:49] You: heh
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: ok, next
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[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: 4 th Sim
[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: on the wall behind sonja
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Re: RA Meeting 07 June 2008 - transcript (part 2)

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[2008/06/07 10:49] You: heh
[2008/06/07 10:49] Moon Adamant: ok, next
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[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: 4 th Sim
[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: on the wall behind sonja
[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: you have 2 cubes
[2008/06/07 10:50] Jamie Palisades and Gwyn exchange Dark Significant Looks about the archiving, and move on
[2008/06/07 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
[2008/06/07 10:50] Moon Adamant: orange is the covenant draft, again a collaborative document by an open WG
[2008/06/07 10:51] Moon Adamant: Yellow is Sudane's post about financials which adds to her previous post
[2008/06/07 10:51] Moon Adamant: i will start to present covenants
[2008/06/07 10:51] Moon Adamant: first of all, a note
[2008/06/07 10:52] Moon Adamant: the Guild has kept the CDS General covenants as they are stated for AM on this document
[2008/06/07 10:52] Moon Adamant: but will present this RA with a list of concerns expressed by several citizens about the General Covenants, and will ask a review
[2008/06/07 10:52] Moon Adamant: As for the rest of the covenants
[2008/06/07 10:53] Moon Adamant: and due to the fact that we often have complaints that our covenants are too long,
[2008/06/07 10:53] Moon Adamant: we tried to keep them as short and simple as possible.
[2008/06/07 10:53] Moon Adamant: done and ready for questions
[2008/06/07 10:53] You: :)
[2008/06/07 10:53] You: Moon
[2008/06/07 10:54] Moon Adamant: yes?
[2008/06/07 10:54] You: This also was subject to a review process, I think, can you briefly explain it?
[2008/06/07 10:54] Moon Adamant: the covenants?
[2008/06/07 10:54] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 10:54] You: yes - it's good for us to note in the record when things have been posted, subject to reviews etc.
[2008/06/07 10:54] You: just very briefly :)
[2008/06/07 10:55] Moon Adamant: the wg met on two consecutive nights to work upon a draft which was a mix from CN and AM covenants
[2008/06/07 10:55] Moon Adamant: due to the fact that this is a roman sim, so gets some elements from CN, and is a double sim, gets some elements from AM
[2008/06/07 10:56] Moon Adamant: double prim*
[2008/06/07 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn has no questions -- there is just a TINY thingy, on 2 h (a sentence is duplicated) but that's me just being pedant :P
[2008/06/07 10:56] Moon Adamant: the doc was posted immdediately after drafted
[2008/06/07 10:57] Moon Adamant: and to this moment, only has had some typos corrections
[2008/06/07 10:57] Rose Springvale: correction was posted moon, to two items
[2008/06/07 10:57] You: :) thanks.
[2008/06/07 10:57] Moon Adamant: all clauses have been voted unanimously, with exception of height clauses, in which there was one abstain
[2008/06/07 10:58] You: and for the transcript, the text is here - http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1898
[2008/06/07 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, if we approve the covenants, I'd like to add Rose's posted corrections & typos as friendlies, they definitely don't change anything.
[2008/06/07 10:58] Moon Adamant: yes, indeed
[2008/06/07 10:58] Moon Adamant: they're friendlies... we were just getting very very tired lol
[2008/06/07 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I can imagine
[2008/06/07 10:58] You: put a motion to approve out?
[2008/06/07 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My suggestion would be just the following, Mr LRA
[2008/06/07 10:58] Sonja Strom: I have a question.
[2008/06/07 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: let's approve the sim's name first, because the sim should be identified on the Covenants with its "proper name"
[2008/06/07 10:59] Moon Adamant: yes?
[2008/06/07 10:59] You: gwyn then sonja please
[2008/06/07 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I'm finished …
[2008/06/07 10:59] Moon Adamant: ah, yes, he sim's name will be a friendly too
[2008/06/07 10:59] You: can we have sonja's Q then ask for motions?
[2008/06/07 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/06/07 10:59] Moon Adamant listens to Sonja~
[2008/06/07 10:59] Sonja Strom: What would the proposed covenants say about allowing signage for shops?
[2008/06/07 11:00] Moon Adamant: general covenants, Sonja
[2008/06/07 11:00] Sonja Strom: like those in AM?
[2008/06/07 11:00] You: yes- to clarify
[2008/06/07 11:00] Moon Adamant: and also
[2008/06/07 11:00] Moon Adamant: clause 3.d
[2008/06/07 11:01] Moon Adamant: Commercial function is allowed if falling within the theme of the sim, or, failing that, be kept in interior spaces. Cultural, Social and Arts and Crafts organizations are exempt of this clause.
[2008/06/07 11:01] You: Sonja, that subject will be treated in the same way in all four sims, except there's a "period materials" issue that varies I believe
[2008/06/07 11:01] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 11:01] Moon Adamant: in this sim specifically
[2008/06/07 11:01] Sonja Strom: but the signage covenants vary by sim now, don't they?
[2008/06/07 11:01] You: more discussion?
[2008/06/07 11:02] You: hmmmmmm
[2008/06/07 11:02] Moon Adamant: 2.d
[2008/06/07 11:02] Moon Adamant: d) All the buildings exteriors must be built in pre-industrial materials, namely: .Structural elements can be stone, brick or wood. .Roofing elements can be slate or terracotta shingles or tiles. .Exterior flooring elements can be brick, ceramics, stone, wood or mosaic. .Wall elements can be stone, brick, wood, stucco or fresco. .Door and window elements can be wood or metals, raw or painted. .Large panes of glass in any colour must be partitioned by appropriate framing.
[2008/06/07 11:02] Flyingroc Chung: so, if I were, say selling togas, that would be ok?
[2008/06/07 11:02] Moon Adamant: Sonja
[2008/06/07 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR: yes on the outside ;)
[2008/06/07 11:02] You: I do not think so Sonja:) the ENFORCEMENT may vary ...
[2008/06/07 11:02] Moon Adamant: yes, what Jamie said
[2008/06/07 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but it should then look like a 'real' Roman shop for selling togas ;)
[2008/06/07 11:02] Sonja Strom: hmm, I will try to look into that.
[2008/06/07 11:02] You: More?
[2008/06/07 11:03] You: Or any motions?
[2008/06/07 11:03] Sonja Strom: I believe the signage laws are different in AM than in Neufreistadt.
[2008/06/07 11:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn is not going to check :D
[2008/06/07 11:03] Moon Adamant: they shouldn't be
[2008/06/07 11:03] Moon Adamant: but in any case
[2008/06/07 11:04] Sonja Strom is feeling a little frustrated.
[2008/06/07 11:04] Moon Adamant: those belong to General Covenants, about which we will send you the note with comments and request for reviews
[2008/06/07 11:04] You: possibly - what Moon and I should have remembered to mention is this: ...
[2008/06/07 11:04] You: ... there is work that the Guild discussed on the GENERAL covenants also - but that's not proposed to be a task for today, or a barrier to Sim4 :)
[2008/06/07 11:04] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 11:04] Moon Adamant: The Guild felt
[2008/06/07 11:05] Moon Adamant: that it is not in the Guild's scope to decree THE general covenants that apply in all sims
[2008/06/07 11:05] Moon Adamant: but in RA's scope
[2008/06/07 11:05] You: so I think, Sonja, the right answer may be this: whatever is the degree of uneven-ness, this proposal will make it no worse, and will not stop it from being corrected across CDS.
[2008/06/07 11:05] Moon Adamant: i will try to make you have that note as soon as possible
[2008/06/07 11:05] Sonja Strom: Are there 2 levels of covenants?
[2008/06/07 11:06] Sonja Strom: CDS-wide, and sim-specific?
[2008/06/07 11:06] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 11:06] Sonja Strom: oh, ok
[2008/06/07 11:06] Moon Adamant: and sim specific can even be more subdivided
[2008/06/07 11:06] You: Is what I said to Sonja a fair assessment, Moon? And yes to 2-levels
[2008/06/07 11:06] Moon Adamant: to deal with zones, typologies, detail locations, etc
[2008/06/07 11:06] Sonja Strom: So what you were saying about it only having general covenants is, it would not have sim-specific ones, but only the CDS-wide ones.
[2008/06/07 11:07] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 11:07] Sonja Strom: ok, I understand that better now.
[2008/06/07 11:07] Moon Adamant: those are the ones we will ask you to review
[2008/06/07 11:07] You: so :)
[2008/06/07 11:07] Moon Adamant: the rest of the document only regulates this sim
[2008/06/07 11:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok... so my motion this time is to get the sim's name approved first,
[2008/06/07 11:08] You: May we have a motion to adopt the posted URL draft of the CN-West (Sim4) covenants, which includes applying the CDS-wide covenants as most recently included in AM?
[2008/06/07 11:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and accept the covenants with Rose's typo corrections
[2008/06/07 11:08] You: oops - I crossed with Gwyn
[2008/06/07 11:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe sorry jamie
[2008/06/07 11:09] Jamie Palisades looks at clock - by all means let's vote on *something*
[2008/06/07 11:09] You: Gwyn. taking your motion, is that one vote or two?
[2008/06/07 11:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Two votes
[2008/06/07 11:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: one on the name
[2008/06/07 11:09] You: And the proposed name is?
[2008/06/07 11:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: another on the covenant + rose's corrections + changing "CN-West" to the new name
[2008/06/07 11:10] Moon Adamant: checks to see if there are more proposals
[2008/06/07 11:10] You: uhhhhhhh
[2008/06/07 11:10] You: how odd, gywn
[2008/06/07 11:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why odd? :-)
[2008/06/07 11:10] You: why two votes touching the name?
[2008/06/07 11:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No I mean... the Covenants should reflect the new sim's name ;)
[2008/06/07 11:10] You: oh - ok got it
[2008/06/07 11:10] Flyingroc Chung: one for the name, one for approving the covenant
[2008/06/07 11:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So it's just a minor change (search & replace)
[2008/06/07 11:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, FR
[2008/06/07 11:11] Flyingroc Chung: So what's the name gonna be? Rocatorium?
[2008/06/07 11:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's just to be *clear*, I don't want to say "the RA approved a covenant with typos and incorrectly specified sim name" :D
[2008/06/07 11:11] Moon Adamant: lol~
[2008/06/07 11:11] You: OK so do we have a name? Moonus Patientam Maximus?
[2008/06/07 11:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: roflatorium, Roc
[2008/06/07 11:11] Moon Adamant: lol
[2008/06/07 11:11] You: Nullus Quoram?
[2008/06/07 11:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahahahahaha
[2008/06/07 11:11] Cindy Ecksol likes nullus quoram!
[2008/06/07 11:12] Moon Adamant: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1896
[2008/06/07 11:12] Moon Adamant: thread is here
[2008/06/07 11:12] Rose Springvale: ;;grumbles they turned down roseville again :::
[2008/06/07 11:12] You: help me out here guys
[2008/06/07 11:12] You: (Ccin please assent to recording, and hi)
[2008/06/07 11:12] Moon Adamant: i actually liked 'Nyah Nyah Des'
[2008/06/07 11:12] Moon Adamant: :)
[2008/06/07 11:12] Cindy Ecksol: assent
[2008/06/07 11:12] You: um yeah and if I didn't already have a copyright suit served on me I would too
[2008/06/07 11:13] You: Oddly Caledon serves lawsuits on saberpoint
[2008/06/07 11:12] Moon Adamant: to the end of the thread
[2008/06/07 11:12] Moon Adamant: Symo suggests Locus Amoenus
[2008/06/07 11:13] You: hm
[2008/06/07 11:13] Moon Adamant: and it has already some support
[2008/06/07 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that was the more realistic suggestion so far, Locus Amoenus
[2008/06/07 11:13] Jamie Palisades mumbles ... nice ... place?
[2008/06/07 11:13] Moon Adamant: Locus Amoenus = Pleasant Place
[2008/06/07 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wishful Thinking ;)
[2008/06/07 11:14] You: .. sort of like naming the truck stop cafe "Mom's", eh?
[2008/06/07 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
[2008/06/07 11:14] Danton Sideways: too much like Locus Amoebas
[2008/06/07 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
[2008/06/07 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[2008/06/07 11:14] Rose Springvale: the committee liked it :)
[2008/06/07 11:14] You: do we think there are other stakehoders who would've weighed in?
[2008/06/07 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, let's put it to the vote
[2008/06/07 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I propose on my first motion: naming the sim, that the RA accepts Locus Amoenus as the name for the sim.
[2008/06/07 11:14] You: You so move, Gwynners? OK
[2008/06/07 11:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/06/07 11:15] You: and note the spelling
[2008/06/07 11:15] Danton Sideways: Amoebas of CDS unite
[2008/06/07 11:15] You: (just becuse every character is signif)
[2008/06/07 11:15] Moon Adamant: see, we already have the name of the football team of that sim :)
[2008/06/07 11:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)))
[2008/06/07 11:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: any seconds to my motion?
[2008/06/07 11:15] You: hm go with it - and note:
[2008/06/07 11:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn looks at the clock and starts to worry hehe
[2008/06/07 11:16] Danton Sideways: Jamies gors with the amoebas
[2008/06/07 11:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/06/07 11:16] You: I second it.
[2008/06/07 11:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Goodie! Shall we vote? :-D
[2008/06/07 11:16] You: and note this -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_amoenus - as a favorable indication
[2008/06/07 11:17] Danton Sideways: ooh
[2008/06/07 11:17] You: any more discussion?
[2008/06/07 11:17] You: Members please state their vote. I vote aye.
[2008/06/07 11:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I vote aye, too :)
[2008/06/07 11:17] Flyingroc Chung: What's in a name? ;-)
[2008/06/07 11:18] Flyingroc Chung: aye
[2008/06/07 11:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 11:18] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 11:18] You: snickr
[2008/06/07 11:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: NExt sim's name: Rose? :)
[2008/06/07 11:18] Moon Adamant: hi Sudane :)
[2008/06/07 11:18] Rose Springvale: smile
[2008/06/07 11:18] Sudane Erato: hi :)
[2008/06/07 11:18] Danton Sideways: Hi Sudane
[2008/06/07 11:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hello Sudane :)
[2008/06/07 11:18] You: Motion pases 4-0-0, subj to 7 day rule as noted above. Hi Su
[2008/06/07 11:18] You: now
[2008/06/07 11:18] You: Moon
[2008/06/07 11:18] Moon Adamant: yes?
[2008/06/07 11:18] You: do we need a backup in case of LL reject, and can THAT waita wek?
[2008/06/07 11:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah
[2008/06/07 11:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good thinking, Jamie!...
[2008/06/07 11:19] Moon Adamant: easy to see
[2008/06/07 11:19] You: *wait a week
[2008/06/07 11:19] You: well they DO reject
[2008/06/07 11:19] Moon Adamant: found none
[2008/06/07 11:19] Sudane Erato: why should they reject it, unless its already taken?
[2008/06/07 11:19] Moon Adamant: well, in that case
[2008/06/07 11:19] Moon Adamant: i would suggest that we add the word 'Civitas' in front
[2008/06/07 11:19] You: :) OK, so , cross that bridge next week, if needed?
[2008/06/07 11:20] Moon Adamant: or something like that
[2008/06/07 11:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/06/07 11:20] Moon Adamant: yup
[2008/06/07 11:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let's see what LL says.
[2008/06/07 11:20] You: Time's short and I would love to get the Guild's fourth proposal on the table
[2008/06/07 11:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And now... motion on the covenant, with Rose's typo corrections, and replacing "CN-West" with "Locus Amoenus"
[2008/06/07 11:20] You: yes
[2008/06/07 11:20] Danton Sideways: afk
[2008/06/07 11:20] Flyingroc Chung: pleasantville
[2008/06/07 11:20] You: seconded
[2008/06/07 11:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, jamie :)
[2008/06/07 11:21] You: i loved that movie!
[2008/06/07 11:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think we have discussed it a lot already, so I suggest we move to vote on the covenant...
[2008/06/07 11:21] You: discussion on covenants, pointed in chat above, with minor mods as moted?
[2008/06/07 11:21] Jamie Palisades looks around and hears no typing
[2008/06/07 11:21] You: OK then
[2008/06/07 11:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn thinks we have discussed it enough
[2008/06/07 11:21] You: Members please state your vote. I vote aye.
[2008/06/07 11:21] Flyingroc Chung: aye
[2008/06/07 11:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye from me too
[2008/06/07 11:23] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 11:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay :)
[2008/06/07 11:23] You: OK. Adopted 4-0-0, subj to 7 day rule as noted above.
[2008/06/07 11:23] You: Moon - the Guild has one more?
[2008/06/07 11:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
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[2008/06/07 11:23] Moon Adamant: ok, next
[2008/06/07 11:23] Moon Adamant: yup
[2008/06/07 11:23] Moon Adamant: on the yellow cube behind Sonja
[2008/06/07 11:23] Moon Adamant: you'll find Sudane's more detailed financial model for the new sim
[2008/06/07 11:24] Moon Adamant: and i also asked Sudane to stop by, which she has done - thanks you :)
[2008/06/07 11:24] You: For the record, here - http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... =15#p11397
[2008/06/07 11:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: To resume: cost of new parcels: US$0.05/square meter... 5 cents. This makes 512 parcels cost L$7552 and 1024 parcels L$15,104 (quoting Sudane)
[2008/06/07 11:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and
[2008/06/07 11:25] Sudane Erato: yes
[2008/06/07 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: L$ 4.35 per square meter for land in the new sim, per month (quoting Sudane again)
[2008/06/07 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's the essential thing for us to approve hehe
[2008/06/07 11:25] Sudane Erato: that is a suggestion for the average tier, should you wish to impose zoning
[2008/06/07 11:25] Sudane Erato: .
[2008/06/07 11:25] Moon Adamant: Sudane, the covenants don't have zones
[2008/06/07 11:26] Sudane Erato: ahh... makes things simpler :)
[2008/06/07 11:26] Moon Adamant: yes, we thought so
[2008/06/07 11:26] Flyingroc Chung: What do we plan to use the excess revenue for?
[2008/06/07 11:26] Moon Adamant: expansion?
[2008/06/07 11:26] Rose Springvale: coffee :)
[2008/06/07 11:27] Sudane Erato: well... I mention that at the end
[2008/06/07 11:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well we haven't paid for lots of things, lol
[2008/06/07 11:27] You: recommened levels of reserves, is my short version :)
[2008/06/07 11:27] Sudane Erato: yes...
[2008/06/07 11:27] Sudane Erato: and for future operating expenses
[2008/06/07 11:27] Sudane Erato: when we do have operating expenses...
[2008/06/07 11:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I'm proposing a new motion... since we have the covenants approved (no zoning), I suggest that the RA approves Sudane's proposal for the cost of new land + the monthly tier on LA.
[2008/06/07 11:28] Sudane Erato: it makes us much healthier to have a good reserve
[2008/06/07 11:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And that the *next* RA discusses the budget (ie. what to do with the extra revenue), since we have a budget for this term approved already anyway ;)
[2008/06/07 11:28] Sudane Erato: we do?
[2008/06/07 11:28] Flyingroc Chung: how well have we tracked to that budget?
[2008/06/07 11:29] You: :)
[2008/06/07 11:29] Sudane Erato: well, we've been positive each month
[2008/06/07 11:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: To recap: Motion on the floor: That the RA approves the pricing of the plots in Locus Amoenus as follows: cost of new parcels: US$0.05/square meter; L$ 4.35 per square meter for land in the new sim, per month
[2008/06/07 11:29] You: Happy to do this a bit, but we have a specific, longer, scheduled chat about budget *next* week
[2008/06/07 11:29] Sudane Erato: yes
[2008/06/07 11:30] You: second for Gwyn's motion?
[2008/06/07 11:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn points out that the discussion of the budget is NOT on today's agenda, and votes against any motion to propose to discuss it *today* ;)
[2008/06/07 11:30] You: well I will second it so we can discuss.
[2008/06/07 11:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The only thing that I might comment upon is to have a rough idea on how much the CDS's gross margin on the prices is.... 30% or so, right, Sudane?
[2008/06/07 11:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: This would mean roughly 70% sales to break even?
[2008/06/07 11:32] Sudane Erato: so
[2008/06/07 11:32] Flyingroc Chung: Hm, I'm having difficulty finding sudanes earlier post on the pricing?
[2008/06/07 11:32] Sudane Erato: hmmm... I did that calc...
[2008/06/07 11:32] Sudane Erato: i'd have to retrieve it... but that sounds about right
[2008/06/07 11:32] Moon Adamant: FR, same thread, first page
[2008/06/07 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... =15#p11397 for Sudane's detailed comments on her proposal
[2008/06/07 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I haven't got a calculator handy, but it looks about right, Sudane :)
[2008/06/07 11:33] Sudane Erato: yes, thats it
[2008/06/07 11:33] Sudane Erato: yes :)
[2008/06/07 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that aiming for a 70% occupancy is pretty reasonable
[2008/06/07 11:33] You: I have two comments seeking confirmation. First, I read this, I read the underlying earlier one, and I note our detailed land price chats last RA meeting. It's my impression that these proposals are generaly consiste with our rough consensus expressed last week - and that there's no dispute on the numbers or prudence of the recommended reserve levels. Is that a fair summary?
[2008/06/07 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, I subscribe to your words... it's my understanding as well :D
[2008/06/07 11:34] Flyingroc Chung: what is the recommended reserve level?
[2008/06/07 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2 months of tier, FR
[2008/06/07 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: unless there was new legislation passed
[2008/06/07 11:34] Sudane Erato: well... yes
[2008/06/07 11:34] Sudane Erato: but we are way beyond that
[2008/06/07 11:35] Flyingroc Chung: we are currently above that level...
[2008/06/07 11:35] Sudane Erato: yes...
[2008/06/07 11:35] Moon Adamant: yes, because we need to expand as well
[2008/06/07 11:35] Sudane Erato: my intent is that there be a "margin" each month...
[2008/06/07 11:35] Sudane Erato: rather than the concept of adding to reserves
[2008/06/07 11:35] Sudane Erato: simply because revenues each month may fall short
[2008/06/07 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My apologies.... just 1 month of tier actually: http://www.aliasi.us/nburgwiki/tiki-ind ... age=NL+4-6
[2008/06/07 11:36] Sudane Erato: for example, not all parcels may be sold
[2008/06/07 11:36] Cindy Ecksol raises hand
[2008/06/07 11:36] You: Roc, done with your question? If so, Cindy next
[2008/06/07 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So legally the Treasurer has to have 4 * US$295 in funds :D
[2008/06/07 11:36] Sudane Erato: yes
[2008/06/07 11:36] Sudane Erato: well...
[2008/06/07 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: US $1180
[2008/06/07 11:36] Sudane Erato: 2x 195 + 1x 295
[2008/06/07 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry! yes!
[2008/06/07 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn *slaps her forehead*
[2008/06/07 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, we have 5 times that in reserve :D
[2008/06/07 11:37] Sudane Erato: yes, which i am very pleased about
[2008/06/07 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm quite happy with the pricing as presented, and definitely will vote yes on Sudane's recommended prices for LA :)
[2008/06/07 11:37] Jamie Palisades mutters ... rah solvency, rah rah
[2008/06/07 11:37] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/07 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2008/06/07 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Cindy had a question...
[2008/06/07 11:37] Rose Springvale thinks of ways to spend money...
[2008/06/07 11:37] Cindy Ecksol: I'd just comment first that the "reserve" is a minimum, not a maximum. And second that having a margin allows us to allocate funds for stuff like publicity, parties, special events....something that we have not been doing much of this term.
[2008/06/07 11:37] You: OK I will take Roc's Q as answered then. Cindy?
[2008/06/07 11:37] Sudane Erato: we are buying this sim without borrowing
[2008/06/07 11:37] Moon Adamant: exactly Cindy!
[2008/06/07 11:37] Rose Springvale: yayyy!!!
[2008/06/07 11:38] Sudane Erato: yes, I agree completely Cindy
[2008/06/07 11:38] Moon Adamant: and paying Guild work ;)
[2008/06/07 11:38] Cindy Ecksol: yes, of course. so please approve a tier that will take those things into account!
[2008/06/07 11:38] Sudane Erato: i think we will evolve to a much larger part of our budget being other than tier
[2008/06/07 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn most definitely agrees. MT has expressed the same issue earlier before: people are still paying events out of their pocket
[2008/06/07 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway
[2008/06/07 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's for the budget discussion next week? .... ;)
[2008/06/07 11:38] Sudane Erato: yes
[2008/06/07 11:39] You: :)
[2008/06/07 11:39] Flyingroc Chung: seems to me we have beenhaving budget surpluses and not spending it
[2008/06/07 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn quotes herself: Motion on the floor: That the RA approves the pricing of the plots in Locus Amoenus as follows: cost of new parcels: US$0.05/square meter; L$ 4.35 per square meter for land in the new sim, per month
[2008/06/07 11:40] Flyingroc Chung: so why not have chepaer tier to allowa broader range of people to beable to live in the CDS?
[2008/06/07 11:40] Rose Springvale raises hand
[2008/06/07 11:40] Sonja Strom: That was one of our goals with this sim.
[2008/06/07 11:40] Moon Adamant: sorry guys
[2008/06/07 11:41] Sudane Erato: 4.35 is pretty cheap
[2008/06/07 11:41] Moon Adamant: this is a double prim sim
[2008/06/07 11:41] Cindy Ecksol thinks $10 per month is not eliminating anyone who can afford an internet connection
[2008/06/07 11:41] You: Rosee?
[2008/06/07 11:41] Flyingroc Chung: one of the reasons that allowed me to join nburg when I was a poor grad studaent was the dirt cheap rates :-)
[2008/06/07 11:41] Moon Adamant: 512 m2 costs L$2.227
[2008/06/07 11:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn notices her own words last week on FR's issue: "we should compete in services, not in prices" — and adds Sudane's comment: "2. L$4.35 is a VERY reasonable price. Back to SLNE, our monthly tier is L$5.90, and will probably rise soon. AND, again, SLNE is single primmed. The rates in the CDS are a bargain.... very much a "peoples' rate"."
[2008/06/07 11:41] Moon Adamant: and 1024 m2 the double: 4.454 per month
[2008/06/07 11:41] You: ahem :)
[2008/06/07 11:41] Rose Springvale: if you are going to consider lower tier, my request is that you do it across the board.. no reason for old timers to subsidize new people with more prims!
[2008/06/07 11:42] Sudane Erato: yes... i really would emphasize that
[2008/06/07 11:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn definitely agrees with Rose
[2008/06/07 11:42] You: done, rose?
[2008/06/07 11:42] Sudane Erato: hehe... yes Rose, I agree :)..
[2008/06/07 11:42] Rose Springvale: done
[2008/06/07 11:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I think that Sudane's post pretty much addressed our issue last week: we ARE proposing lower rates than usual SL-wide
[2008/06/07 11:42] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 11:42] Sudane Erato: yes
[2008/06/07 11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: About 30% lower!
[2008/06/07 11:43] You: Frankly I think one's view depensd on whether one wants each SIM to foot & balance, or one might be willing to spend down some reserves from 1-2-3 to subsidize #4
[2008/06/07 11:43] Moon Adamant: for a land which has covenants, public infrastructure, self-governation...
[2008/06/07 11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, exactly, Moon
[2008/06/07 11:43] Moon Adamant: and double prims
[2008/06/07 11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: AND double prims, indeed!
[2008/06/07 11:43] Moon Adamant: so, i don't see what are you complaining at
[2008/06/07 11:43] Sonja Strom: and is, at least hopefully, high-quality in appearance.
[2008/06/07 11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sonja: yes!!
[2008/06/07 11:44] Sudane Erato: we really must understand that prims, not square footage, are what you pay for in SL
[2008/06/07 11:44] You: Roc I think your take *would* lead us to a subsidize-and-spend-down-reserve type plan.
[2008/06/07 11:44] You: And I think that option's been rejected in this recommndation.
[2008/06/07 11:44] Moon Adamant has tons of textures already to prepare for packs
[2008/06/07 11:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Sudane
[2008/06/07 11:44] Rose Springvale whispers.... and a real community
[2008/06/07 11:44] Moon Adamant looks wistfully at the green cube for altenstadt redeployment
[2008/06/07 11:44] You: More from FR?
[2008/06/07 11:44] Flyingroc Chung: not spend down the reserve... but I'd rather a smaller margin
[2008/06/07 11:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Rose: with real drama, too :)
[2008/06/07 11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well FR
[2008/06/07 11:45] You: (Wistful is the word alright)
[2008/06/07 11:45] Sonja Strom: LOL Gwyn
[2008/06/07 11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: a smaller margin means that we have to go for a higher occupancy
[2008/06/07 11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 70% is pretty reasonable
[2008/06/07 11:45] Sudane Erato: yes... we will not always be collecting all this
[2008/06/07 11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, there IS some rotation in the CDS
[2008/06/07 11:45] Sudane Erato: and yet our tier *will* always be 295 US$
[2008/06/07 11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly....
[2008/06/07 11:45] Flyingroc Chung: I'm concerned that we are a building a gated community
[2008/06/07 11:46] Jamie Palisades whispers to Gwyn nooooooooo - Nullus Dramatis Politae Crappus!
[2008/06/07 11:46] Moon Adamant: FR
[2008/06/07 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ROFL Jamie
[2008/06/07 11:46] Moon Adamant: how can you say that with NFS with 144m2 plots?!
[2008/06/07 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: True... nobody sells those any more on private islands
[2008/06/07 11:46] You: we're still debating Roc's point? any more words on this one?
[2008/06/07 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And haven't for ages
[2008/06/07 11:46] Sudane Erato: which remain unsold
[2008/06/07 11:46] Flyingroc Chung: 144m2 plots?
[2008/06/07 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, FR
[2008/06/07 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have one!
[2008/06/07 11:46] Moon Adamant: yes,FR
[2008/06/07 11:47] Moon Adamant: the proletarians live in NFS
[2008/06/07 11:47] Sudane Erato: yay! :)
[2008/06/07 11:47] Moon Adamant: where plots have 144 m2 and 35 prims
[2008/06/07 11:47] Jamie Palisades snikers
[2008/06/07 11:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's hard to get 1024 m2 plots on private islands even.... and we're launching a whole sim with lots of 512 m2
[2008/06/07 11:47] Sonja Strom: I would like to bring up something Gwyneth said earlier, which seems true to me: "... we ARE proposing lower rates than usual SL-wide."
[2008/06/07 11:47] Naftali Torok: grins
[2008/06/07 11:47] Naftali Torok: thannks cindy
[2008/06/07 11:47] Moon Adamant: hi Naftali
[2008/06/07 11:47] Naftali Torok: its foggy as usual
[2008/06/07 11:47] Naftali Torok: hello all
[2008/06/07 11:48] You: (Hi Naf. Please assent to being recorded, if you speak.)
[2008/06/07 11:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye, Sonja, we are. We're really "old fashioned" here: small plots, very low tiers — and a whole lot of package of services which nobody else in SL gives!
[2008/06/07 11:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (hi Naf!!)
[2008/06/07 11:48] Sonja Strom: hi Naftali :-) alt-ctrl-shift-minus
[2008/06/07 11:48] You: ahem - OK you lot we are going incircles a little, nd it i late. Any more divussion of Roc's question?
[2008/06/07 11:48] Naftali Torok: yes i did already smiles
[2008/06/07 11:48] Naftali Torok: thanksks
[2008/06/07 11:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I really don't think we're a "gated community" but really one that has a bit for everybody
[2008/06/07 11:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I agree, we're beating around the bush lol
[2008/06/07 11:50] You: ready to vote n Gwyn' motion to accept the financials? Which I note is land pricing, NOT approval to buyt he sim from LL now
[2008/06/07 11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The only way to go even further down on the prices would be to have 'older citizens' in the more expensive sims to subsidise the new plots. But as Rose pointed out, that's hardly fair...
[2008/06/07 11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes... I vote aye
[2008/06/07 11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and the next motion will be to buy the sim hehe -- tahnks, Jamie, for pointing that out ;) )
[2008/06/07 11:50] You: members please state their vote. I vote aye.
[2008/06/07 11:51] Jamie Palisades looks towards Roc and Sonja
[2008/06/07 11:51] Flyingroc Chung: can I take my 7-day vote?
[2008/06/07 11:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmpf :)
[2008/06/07 11:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: chicken!!! lol
[2008/06/07 11:51] Sonja Strom: lol
[2008/06/07 11:51] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/07 11:51] You: huh dunno actually :) is that available to persons not absent?
[2008/06/07 11:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't think so, but let me check
[2008/06/07 11:52] You: all you political hacks have been here longer than me :)
[2008/06/07 11:52] Sonja Strom: says Gwyn, who is chicken of participating in the Forum...
[2008/06/07 11:52] Flyingroc Chung: our official mascot is a chicken, after all...
[2008/06/07 11:52] Sudane Erato: hehe... yes
[2008/06/07 11:52] Sonja Strom: hahaa
[2008/06/07 11:53] Moon Adamant: Mr. LRA, may i ask a few more minutes in the session to finally present the altenstadt redeployment plan too?
[2008/06/07 11:53] You: Moon, we need to do this - then a possible motion to approve sim purchase - then if people remain, we can ask them to do that.
[2008/06/07 11:53] Moon Adamant: ok
[2008/06/07 11:53] You: Do we have an take on the 7 day rule, as applied to people presen?
[2008/06/07 11:54] Sonja Strom: My understanding was that we had that right at all times...
[2008/06/07 11:54] Cindy Ecksol seems so silly to allow 7-day vote when someone is present....
[2008/06/07 11:54] Moon Adamant: i only remember it being used when people were absent
[2008/06/07 11:54] Moon Adamant: from my term
[2008/06/07 11:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR, you can always abstain now.
[2008/06/07 11:54] Rose Springvale: there was an amendment by beathan and discussion, but i don't know what happened with it
[2008/06/07 11:55] Sonja Strom: but Cindy, not allowing that would give an advantage to those who did not come to the RA meetings...
[2008/06/07 11:55] Sonja Strom: it would encourage non-attendance.
[2008/06/07 11:55] Rose Springvale sighs at RA members...
[2008/06/07 11:55] You: May I have a pointer to the rule text, or we will sit here while I dig, smile
[2008/06/07 11:55] Cindy Ecksol sighs too....
[2008/06/07 11:55] Rose Springvale: i'll look
[2008/06/07 11:55] You: sigh all you like: Roc asked for it
[2008/06/07 11:56] Flyingroc Chung: alright, so we get unblocked here
[2008/06/07 11:56] Flyingroc Chung: I vote nay
[2008/06/07 11:56] Sonja Strom: any constitutional experts here?
[2008/06/07 11:56] You: OK simpler.
[2008/06/07 11:56] Sonja Strom: OK, nevermind.
[2008/06/07 11:56] You: Sonja you going to put us through the same thing?
[2008/06/07 11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (Sonja, it would be easy if that information were all in the same place)
[2008/06/07 11:56] You: :) and ye s- TOO many :)
[2008/06/07 11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn votes aye
[2008/06/07 11:57] Sonja Strom: In general I trust those who have spoken, but I also see no need to rush this through before we feel good about it.
[2008/06/07 11:57] Sonja Strom: I will support my colleague and vote no for the time being.
[2008/06/07 11:57] Sonja Strom: "nay"
[2008/06/07 11:57] You: OK then :)
[2008/06/07 11:57] You: here is where we are
[2008/06/07 11:57] You: Motion fails 2-2-0 but
[2008/06/07 11:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3 votes go on 7-day
[2008/06/07 11:58] You: 2 votes are on 7 day rule.
[2008/06/07 11:58] You: 3?
[2008/06/07 11:58] You: BV did not request.
[2008/06/07 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry
[2008/06/07 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[2008/06/07 11:58] Flyingroc Chung: Hm, he should still get to vote, no?
[2008/06/07 11:58] You: OK then :) Can I safaly assume that a vote to buy the sim is premature given the disposition of this motion?
[2008/06/07 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In that case, I withdraw the motion to allow the Treasurer to buy the new sim today :)
[2008/06/07 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Postponed to next week
[2008/06/07 11:59] Cindy Ecksol sighs
[2008/06/07 11:59] You: FR, sigh, I do not think EVERY vote that someone misses in unannounced absence AUTOMATICALLY gives them a second bite. I think they have to request it.
[2008/06/07 11:59] You: BUT
[2008/06/07 11:59] Sudane Erato: well, I would object to buying, not only if these things were not decided...
[2008/06/07 11:59] You: None of you long time RA jockeys can point me to the 7 day rule :)
[2008/06/07 11:59] Sudane Erato: but also if an occupaytion date was not set
[2008/06/07 11:59] Flyingroc Chung: it's in the really old rules
[2008/06/07 11:59] You: so I am going to do my own research - expect more on this next week :D
[2008/06/07 11:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, no, FR, it was added later
[2008/06/07 11:59] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2008/06/07 12:00] Moon Adamant: ok, may i kindly request then a few minutes more to present altenstradt redeployment Plan (ARP)?
[2008/06/07 12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, let's see if we can approve that at least...
[2008/06/07 12:00] Jamie Palisades does not believe in the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, intangible unwritten constitutional principles, or unlocatable laws :)
[2008/06/07 12:00] Sudane Erato: not Christmas???
[2008/06/07 12:01] Sudane Erato:
[2008/06/07 12:01] Moon Adamant waits
[2008/06/07 12:01] You: ..not the Santa art susu
[2008/06/07 12:01] Flyingroc Chung: "1. Is the topic ready for a vote?
If Yes, the topic is referred to the members. If all present concur, the vote may occur at the in-world meeting. Otherwise, or if one of the members not present has made a public request to do so prior to the meeting, the members vote before the next in world meeting. The results are published in the forum, along with how each member voted."
[2008/06/07 12:01] You: Members, we are over time.
[2008/06/07 12:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn points to FR that Altenstadt will have sub-512m2 plots for sale
[2008/06/07 12:01] Flyingroc Chung: http://www.aliasi.us/nburgwiki/tiki-ind ... Procedures
[2008/06/07 12:02] You: Moon has asked us on behalf of the Gild to hear the Altenstadt plan. Are you willing to extend 15 mins?
[2008/06/07 12:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure, I agree, Jamie
[2008/06/07 12:02] You: *guild - sorry, tired
[2008/06/07 12:02] Naftali Torok: np, :)
[2008/06/07 12:02] You: I hear no objections.
[2008/06/07 12:02] Moon Adamant: ok
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[2008/06/07 12:03] You: Before we do though
[2008/06/07 12:03] You: :)
[2008/06/07 12:03] You: I note our Chancellor has joined us
[2008/06/07 12:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... :)
[2008/06/07 12:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay!!!!
[2008/06/07 12:03] You: Welcome Alexi
[2008/06/07 12:03] Moon Adamant: yay
[2008/06/07 12:03] Moon Adamant: hi Alex
[2008/06/07 12:03] Alexicon Kurka: hello everyone, I had motherboard problems
[2008/06/07 12:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and hi Pip as well :)
[2008/06/07 12:03] Moon Adamant: hi Pip :)
[2008/06/07 12:03] Alexicon Kurka: but managed to make it
[2008/06/07 12:03] Naftali Torok: hello pip, alex
[2008/06/07 12:03] You: We did not see you in the first few hours of the meeting, so need to reschedule your report.
[2008/06/07 12:03] Moon Adamant: Mr LRA: may i start?
[2008/06/07 12:04] Pip Torok: hi everyone
[2008/06/07 12:04] You: Hey, it's SL. Can you commit to the 21st Jun, Alexi?
[2008/06/07 12:04] Alexicon Kurka: 21st I am afraid not
[2008/06/07 12:04] You: we have Sudane next week :) Budget stuff. You'd be most welcome then too
[2008/06/07 12:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :(
[2008/06/07 12:04] You: so on the 28th we should get ...
[2008/06/07 12:04] You: your reports for the last, what, 3 months?
[2008/06/07 12:04] Alexicon Kurka: sure 28th it'll be
[2008/06/07 12:04] Alexicon Kurka: ;)
[2008/06/07 12:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
[2008/06/07 12:05] You: OK good. 09h00 SLT, and thanks, I will ask that we put you first.
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[2008/06/07 12:05] You: Moon, Altenstadt?
[2008/06/07 12:05] Moon Adamant waits
[2008/06/07 12:05] Moon Adamant: ok
[2008/06/07 12:05] Moon Adamant: if you touch the green cube behind FR~
[2008/06/07 12:05] Moon Adamant: you will see Sleazy's plan
[2008/06/07 12:05] Moon Adamant: which was the result of a long thread in the forums
[2008/06/07 12:06] Naftali Torok: great i see it
[2008/06/07 12:06] Moon Adamant: mind that our proposal - the Guild's - is just to parcel these plots - their use or not as embassy row is for you RA to discuss
[2008/06/07 12:06] Moon Adamant: if you pull the drawing down
[2008/06/07 12:06] Moon Adamant: you will have a table showing area of plots and prims
[2008/06/07 12:06] Moon Adamant: and totals
[2008/06/07 12:07] Moon Adamant: we need more or less 433 prims
[2008/06/07 12:07] Moon Adamant: now
[2008/06/07 12:07] Jamie Palisades notes for the record - URL is: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddg6kg6c_121db9xkrgt
[2008/06/07 12:07] Moon Adamant: today i looked at NFS prim bank
[2008/06/07 12:07] Moon Adamant: and it has 556 prims left
[2008/06/07 12:08] Moon Adamant: BUT
[2008/06/07 12:08] No room to sit here, try another spot.
[2008/06/07 12:08] Moon Adamant: the new design of the are will not need the mistake bridge, which occupies 104 prims
[2008/06/07 12:08] Moon Adamant: and also
[2008/06/07 12:08] Moon Adamant: a new version of biergarten is made and has been see and approved by our chancellor
[2008/06/07 12:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay :)
[2008/06/07 12:09] Moon Adamant: which will reduce the current occupation of that plot of 519 prims to about 250
[2008/06/07 12:09] Moon Adamant: to sum up
[2008/06/07 12:09] Moon Adamant: by removing the Mistake Bridge and replacing biergarten
[2008/06/07 12:10] Moon Adamant: we achive a prim bank of 860 prims
[2008/06/07 12:10] Naftali Torok: not bad
[2008/06/07 12:10] Moon Adamant: which, when the 433 prims of the altenstadt are used
[2008/06/07 12:10] Moon Adamant: does not differ significantly from our current prim bank
[2008/06/07 12:10] You: Q: "mistake bridge"? Is that the bridge over the Phsyically Impossible Pond?
[2008/06/07 12:10] Moon Adamant: sothe Guild's request
[2008/06/07 12:11] Sudane Erato: yes :)
[2008/06/07 12:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Jamie!
[2008/06/07 12:11] Jamie Palisades nods, grinning
[2008/06/07 12:11] Moon Adamant: yes, i built it by mistake :)
[2008/06/07 12:11] Cindy Ecksol thinks bjerkel will be very pleased :-)
[2008/06/07 12:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oops did we lose Sonja?...
[2008/06/07 12:11] Moon Adamant: NFS looked a no-man's land that day!
[2008/06/07 12:11] You: well then, I have a suggestion which I wil make to you afetr the meeting, Moon, grin
[2008/06/07 12:11] Moon Adamant: so my request to the RA
[2008/06/07 12:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn points out that we're not quorate any more :/
[2008/06/07 12:12] Moon Adamant: is that you approve the plan
[2008/06/07 12:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah wb Sonja!!!
[2008/06/07 12:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: whew
[2008/06/07 12:12] Moon Adamant: while Chancellor here present as well approves the removal of the bridge and the replacement of the bierhaus
[2008/06/07 12:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, the motion for now is: to approve the plan for Altenstadt
[2008/06/07 12:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and the parcel sizes as proposed
[2008/06/07 12:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and request the Guild to build it as per their own specs :)
[2008/06/07 12:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (pricing and covenants as per NFS' Inner City covenants)
[2008/06/07 12:13] You: motion made. I will second it so we can discuss. Discussion?
[2008/06/07 12:14] Moon Adamant: Guild will build infrastructure and garden and pond
[2008/06/07 12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok... some questions...
[2008/06/07 12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Moon, I meant: the public spaces
[2008/06/07 12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now we have an issue in NFS,
[2008/06/07 12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which is that inner city plots cannot be 'vacant'
[2008/06/07 12:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: they should have a standard Fachwerk
[2008/06/07 12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My question is... do we (I mean the Content Archivist) has a Fachwerk ready for each plot?
[2008/06/07 12:15] Moon Adamant: Sudane has fachwerks for that case
[2008/06/07 12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I'm happy with that, if Sudane is fine with it :)
[2008/06/07 12:15] Sudane Erato: yes, i've just been filling empty parcels with placeholder builds...Moon's
[2008/06/07 12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 12:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok, question answered
[2008/06/07 12:15] Moon Adamant: don't you have Dianne's too?
[2008/06/07 12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, IP on Dianne's work might be.... mmmh 'tricky'
[2008/06/07 12:16] Sudane Erato: no, Dianne never made hers copiable
[2008/06/07 12:16] Moon Adamant: ok
[2008/06/07 12:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, so long as we DO have A standard Fachwerk, and we can comply with the covenants... I have no objections
[2008/06/07 12:16] Sudane Erato: I only have Dianne's walls
[2008/06/07 12:16] Moon Adamant: and there's Guild's builders to build fachwerks if necessary
[2008/06/07 12:16] Moon Adamant: on demand
[2008/06/07 12:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I'm ready to vote on approving the Altenstadt plan as proposed :D
[2008/06/07 12:17] You: alrighty
[2008/06/07 12:17] You: other comments or questions?
[2008/06/07 12:18] You: Moon, briefly, my same standard 'public access' uestion again - about how long was this shown to who, to get feedback?
[2008/06/07 12:18] Moon Adamant: the public plan?
[2008/06/07 12:18] Moon Adamant: about a year
[2008/06/07 12:18] Sonja Strom: I am glad this work is being done, especially since we seem to be a bit lacking in space for new citizens.
[2008/06/07 12:18] You: the thing you want us to approve today
[2008/06/07 12:19] Sudane Erato: no... there are a number of parcels available
[2008/06/07 12:19] Moon Adamant: there were even public meetings on this at Trostki's
[2008/06/07 12:19] Moon Adamant: Jamie, that thread has a year
[2008/06/07 12:19] Moon Adamant: let me try and find the exact date of the post
[2008/06/07 12:19] Sudane Erato: yes, there were multiple plans presented and discussed
[2008/06/07 12:20] Sudane Erato: .
[2008/06/07 12:20] Sudane Erato: only, the discussion has been stale for some months now
[2008/06/07 12:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :(
[2008/06/07 12:20] You: Ok - but it has been "out there" for citizens to opine on, yes?
[2008/06/07 12:20] Sudane Erato: but its also been continuously on the agenda of the NG
[2008/06/07 12:21] Jamie Palisades waits
[2008/06/07 12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But since some of our fellow RA members have been complaining about the lack of small, cheap plots in the CDS... I propose that we definitely approve this once and for all, to have our esteemed colleagues happy about cheap plots :)
[2008/06/07 12:21] Moon Adamant: the post of the plan was made
[2008/06/07 12:21] Moon Adamant: by Sleazy_Writer on Mon May 21, 2007 6:21 am
[2008/06/07 12:21] You: Good :) thx
[2008/06/07 12:21] You: ready to vote?
[2008/06/07 12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
[2008/06/07 12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn votes "aye" on immediate re-development of Altenstadt :)
[2008/06/07 12:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/06/07 12:22] You: Members please state their vote on the Altstadt plan as pointed and described above
[2008/06/07 12:22] Flyingroc Chung: aye
[2008/06/07 12:22] You: :) I vote aye
[2008/06/07 12:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[2008/06/07 12:22] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 12:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay :)
[2008/06/07 12:22] Moon Adamant: thank you :)
[2008/06/07 12:22] You: OK. Motion passes 4-0-0, subj to 7 day adjustsment
[2008/06/07 12:22] Sudane Erato: finally!! :))
[2008/06/07 12:22] You: AND
[2008/06/07 12:22] Sudane Erato: isn't 4 a majority?
[2008/06/07 12:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Sudane
[2008/06/07 12:22] Moon Adamant: yes
[2008/06/07 12:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so it won't interfere
[2008/06/07 12:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: just for the record, we'll have to add those votes later on the report
[2008/06/07 12:23] You: thank you on behalf of ALL of us, RA and CDS, to Moon, Symo and the Guild team for all of this productive consructive design work d
[2008/06/07 12:23] Moon Adamant: but of course the votes of the absent members must be duly registered :)
[2008/06/07 12:23] You: (I know Gwyn, and yes, it won't change the outcome.)
[2008/06/07 12:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But the Guild can start to hack & slash at those stale, old prims, with the Chancellor's blessing, of course :)
[2008/06/07 12:23] You: Now
[2008/06/07 12:23] Sudane Erato: request to be excused :)
[2008/06/07 12:24] You: Thank you all for your patience today :)
[2008/06/07 12:24] Sudane Erato: ty all :)
[2008/06/07 12:24] You: you bet
[2008/06/07 12:24] You: By the way I have two brief important informal announcements when we close.
[2008/06/07 12:24] Alexicon Kurka agrees with the removal of the bridge and the replacement of the bierhaus
[2008/06/07 12:24] You: immediately after adjoruning :)
[2008/06/07 12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Mr Chancellor :)
[2008/06/07 12:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds the motion to adjourn
[2008/06/07 12:24] You: Members, may we adjourn (but give me 2 mins for announcements please)>
[2008/06/07 12:24] Moon Adamant: Thank you Mr. Chancellor :)
[2008/06/07 12:25] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/07 12:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[2008/06/07 12:25] Alexicon Kurka: congrats the NG for this step
[2008/06/07 12:25] Flyingroc Chung: sure
[2008/06/07 12:25] You: OK - adjourned
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