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RA Meeting 14 June 2008 Transcript (non-quorate)

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See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1922 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 14 June 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Neufreistadt Rathaus
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items
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Note this meeting was not quorate, but we conducted a useful informal discussion of the CDS budget anway.
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[informal transcript with permission]

[2008/06/14 8:55] You: Well, we are starting to see RA fatigue around the edges :) So we will see who shows up. I'll be mildly embarassed, but only mildly, if quorum fails :)
[2008/06/14 8:56] You: I am sending my TP reminders now
[2008/06/14 9:01] Jamie Palisades smiles mildly - I have send my IM reminder to each of the five, none of who appears online. Five because Gwyn sent regrets.
[2008/06/14 9:01] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/14 9:03] Sudane Erato: hi Danton :)
[2008/06/14 9:03] Danton Sideways: Hi Jamie and Sudane
[2008/06/14 9:03] You: Good morning Danton - we are just laying side bets on whether our threat to talk about money today drove everyone off :D
[2008/06/14 9:03] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2008/06/14 9:03] Danton Sideways: Jamie is (away) (lost in IM) judging from tags
[2008/06/14 9:04] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/14 9:04] You: done with that now :)
[2008/06/14 9:04] Danton Sideways: I would have thought that would bring them in droves
[2008/06/14 9:04] Sudane Erato: hehe... yeah right
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[2008/06/14 9:14] You: I see none of our esteemed coleagues online and have received no e-mail or IM answers, so with a few more minutes I will waive a scepter and declare this one a bust :) with apologies to Sudane and the citizenry ...
[2008/06/14 9:14] Sudane Erato: np here :)
[2008/06/14 9:15] Sudane Erato: hey FR :)
[2008/06/14 9:15] Danton Sideways: Hi FR
[2008/06/14 9:18] Sudane Erato: hi Jon :)
[2008/06/14 9:18] You: Nice of you folks to come - but I note as of 09h17 SLT that only two of the 7 RA members appear inworld. I have three suggestions. :)
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[2008/06/14 9:19] Jon Seattle: Hi Sudane, Jamie, Danton, Pat, Flying
[2008/06/14 9:19] You: :D
[2008/06/14 9:19] Danton Sideways: Hi Jon
[2008/06/14 9:19] Flyingroc Chung: hey jon
[2008/06/14 9:19] Sudane Erato: heavy duty discussion going on here :)
[2008/06/14 9:19] Patroklus Murakami threw his copy of 'Capital' away a long time ago...
[2008/06/14 9:19] Danton Sideways: well of course if we reach "the singularity" all problems dissappear
[2008/06/14 9:19] You: suggestion #1, we agree this is a bust at 09h20
[2008/06/14 9:19] You: :)
[2008/06/14 9:20] Patroklus Murakami: oh, and we're having such fun!
[2008/06/14 9:20] Sudane Erato: its 9:20
[2008/06/14 9:20] Jon Seattle: well, most of the deciders are not here :)
[2008/06/14 9:20] Patroklus Murakami: so... why are our esteemed RA members not here?
[2008/06/14 9:20] Flyingroc Chung: it's 9:20?
[2008/06/14 9:20] Jon Seattle: yes
[2008/06/14 9:20] Patroklus Murakami: 1) end of term blues?
[2008/06/14 9:20] Flyingroc Chung: I dont wake up this early for *real* work... sigh
[2008/06/14 9:20] Patroklus Murakami: 2) fear of electoral reform?
[2008/06/14 9:20] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2008/06/14 9:21] Patroklus Murakami: 3) technical difficulties?
[2008/06/14 9:21] Danton Sideways: lol
[2008/06/14 9:21] You: Ha ha - suggestion #2, we ask Sudane if she's willing to proceed - that being what most of us came to hear, and the presentation going into the record ANYWAY
[2008/06/14 9:21] Danton Sideways: do have the right?
[2008/06/14 9:21] Sudane Erato: thats fine with me too
[2008/06/14 9:21] Danton Sideways: you*
[2008/06/14 9:21] Patroklus Murakami: i'm always interested to hear what sudane has to say :)
[2008/06/14 9:21] You: (if she is willing, given that she was kind enough to show up, unlike some of our colleagues)
[2008/06/14 9:21] Jon Seattle: Fine with me :)
[2008/06/14 9:21] You: @ Danton - yes but not as the official RA :)
[2008/06/14 9:22] Danton Sideways: "on the record"?
[2008/06/14 9:22] You: suggestion #3, I am going to start scheduling meetings BIweekly as I threatened previously :)
[2008/06/14 9:22] Flyingroc Chung: Just means we'll post the transcript anyway
[2008/06/14 9:23] Danton Sideways: oops better watch what I say then :)
[2008/06/14 9:23] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/14 9:23] You: biweekly will have some other effects, about which I'll comment in the forums :) and my colleaguges can overrule me if they like ... if they show up
[2008/06/14 9:24] You: @danton again - yes, exactly :)
[2008/06/14 9:24] You: so
[2008/06/14 9:24] Flyingroc Chung: we could just overrule you by showing up once a week
[2008/06/14 9:24] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2008/06/14 9:24] Patroklus Murakami: well, you're only committed to having biweekly meetings in the constitution. will you be able to enact electoral reform in time for the elections tho if u go biweekly?
[2008/06/14 9:24] You: :) I declare this meeting failed for lack of quorum - and invite all to remain to hear Sudane's helpful informal presentation
[2008/06/14 9:25] Patroklus Murakami: clock is ticking, tick-tock tick-tock....
[2008/06/14 9:25] You: Pat I would say "no" offhand, but have not counted days
[2008/06/14 9:25] Sudane Erato: kk
[2008/06/14 9:25] You: :)
[2008/06/14 9:25] Sudane Erato: should we start?
[2008/06/14 9:25] Jon Seattle: Sure :)
[2008/06/14 9:25] Sudane Erato: ok.... well...
[2008/06/14 9:26] Sudane Erato: this presentation is really to do with what I'd call a budget framework
[2008/06/14 9:26] Jamie Palisades smiles and listens gratefully
[2008/06/14 9:26] Sudane Erato: setting the basic framework of what money we have... where the different parts go...
[2008/06/14 9:26] Sudane Erato: and how much we have available for "operational discretionary" budget
[2008/06/14 9:27] Sudane Erato: i don't really attempt to go to that
[2008/06/14 9:27] Sudane Erato: since the discretionary budget comes from priorities that the people have
[2008/06/14 9:27] Sudane Erato: I'm just the "money techie"
[2008/06/14 9:27] Sudane Erato: so...
[2008/06/14 9:28] Sudane Erato: we start at the obvious begginning... how much money do we have?
[2008/06/14 9:28] Sudane Erato: slide one

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[2008/06/14 9:28] Sudane Erato: i trust everyone can see?
[2008/06/14 9:28] Patroklus Murakami: yes
[2008/06/14 9:28] Sudane Erato: rezzed ok?
[2008/06/14 9:29] Sudane Erato: great
[2008/06/14 9:29] Jon Seattle: looks good.
[2008/06/14 9:29] You: (we will post the images too)
[2008/06/14 9:29] Sudane Erato: when we first started Neualtenburg...
[2008/06/14 9:29] Flyingroc Chung: not me, but I'm having technical difficultires
[2008/06/14 9:29] Sudane Erato: the budget was a total crap shoot
[2008/06/14 9:29] Sudane Erato: cause we had no experience
[2008/06/14 9:29] Sudane Erato: now we have the huge benefit of experience...
[2008/06/14 9:30] Sudane Erato: and I feel a primary value is that the revenue projection be based on experience...
[2008/06/14 9:30] Sudane Erato: rather than what a sim "MIGHT" bring in... such as what we've discussed for the LV fees
[2008/06/14 9:30] Sudane Erato: so
[2008/06/14 9:31] Sudane Erato: you can see, if you can see...
[2008/06/14 9:31] Sudane Erato: that I've looked at Nove thru April to see what we collect in tier
[2008/06/14 9:31] Sudane Erato: and base all our talk on monthly numbers... averages
[2008/06/14 9:32] Sudane Erato: turns out that during that time... we averaged US$930 collections per month
[2008/06/14 9:32] Sudane Erato: now... what is that time interesting?
[2008/06/14 9:32] Sudane Erato: well, the first month of tier collections for AM was Dec
[2008/06/14 9:33] Sudane Erato: meaning that 5 of th 6 months, we were collecting for 3 sims
[2008/06/14 9:33] Sudane Erato: thats almost exactly analygous to the situation now
[2008/06/14 9:33] Sudane Erato: where we're about to start collecting for 4 sims
[2008/06/14 9:33] Sudane Erato: so...
[2008/06/14 9:33] Sudane Erato: I think its a fair assumption to project revenues of 930 x 4/3
[2008/06/14 9:34] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/06/14 9:34] Sudane Erato: or US$1240/month
[2008/06/14 9:34] Jon Seattle: makes sense
[2008/06/14 9:34] Sudane Erato: all makes ense?
[2008/06/14 9:34] Sudane Erato: good
[2008/06/14 9:34] Sudane Erato: next

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[2008/06/14 9:35] Sudane Erato: absolute first thing to determine is our fixed costs... we don't exist if we don't pay tier
[2008/06/14 9:35] Sudane Erato: and thankfully, at this time its our only fixed cost
[2008/06/14 9:35] Sudane Erato: so I've listed the tier costs there
[2008/06/14 9:35] Sudane Erato: including LV, it will be US980... or 79%
[2008/06/14 9:36] Sudane Erato: 79% of revenues
[2008/06/14 9:36] Sudane Erato: that leaves 21% for the next step
[2008/06/14 9:37] Sudane Erato: kk... the first part of the next step is to establish a agreement... a community decision... that we want our reserves to grow
[2008/06/14 9:37] Sudane Erato: some might say... lets just keep our budget in the black
[2008/06/14 9:37] Sudane Erato: i propose that if we can, we plan to do better than that

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[2008/06/14 9:38] Sudane Erato: obviously, most communities in RL can't manage to do better
[2008/06/14 9:38] Sudane Erato: but I think that we can... and in fact, we have for our whole existence
[2008/06/14 9:38] Sudane Erato: only... without a budget policy
[2008/06/14 9:38] Sudane Erato: if we're looking at doing a real budget
[2008/06/14 9:39] Sudane Erato: I think that some conviction needs to be there to set aside for reserves
[2008/06/14 9:39] Sudane Erato: i've listed the justifications
[2008/06/14 9:39] Sudane Erato: can everyone read them?
[2008/06/14 9:39] Jon Seattle: is it appropriate also to count the value of assets?
[2008/06/14 9:39] Flyingroc Chung: how much reserves do we have currently?
[2008/06/14 9:39] Jon Seattle: yes
[2008/06/14 9:39] Sudane Erato: we have about US$5000
[2008/06/14 9:40] Jon Seattle: after the new island purchase?
[2008/06/14 9:40] Sudane Erato: assets... hmm... thats an interesting question in SL
[2008/06/14 9:40] Sudane Erato: no... briefly, the asset amount will dip
[2008/06/14 9:40] Sudane Erato: and then go back up as the land is sold
[2008/06/14 9:41] Sudane Erato: from experience we know that the land will get paid for in probably less than 2 months
[2008/06/14 9:41] Patroklus Murakami: can read em
[2008/06/14 9:41] You: hm
[2008/06/14 9:41] Sudane Erato: what they call "fixed" assets... alnd, buildings, software...
[2008/06/14 9:41] Sudane Erato: *land
[2008/06/14 9:41] Sudane Erato: thats much more a problem to value
[2008/06/14 9:42] Sudane Erato: sime could be resold
[2008/06/14 9:42] You: assuming, of course,that the 42-small-parcels lot sells *like* the 20-big-ones did
[2008/06/14 9:42] Sudane Erato: yes... but i predict it will, eventually
[2008/06/14 9:42] Jon Seattle: although I would assume that each island is worth at least $500, very conservatively
[2008/06/14 9:42] Sudane Erato: and i have not factored in the "profit" we gain by reselling abandoned land
[2008/06/14 9:42] Sudane Erato: yes... true Jon
[2008/06/14 9:43] Sudane Erato: but... its like your home...
[2008/06/14 9:43] Sudane Erato: you're unlikely to sell it and retrieve your money
[2008/06/14 9:43] Jon Seattle: of course.. we would not like to sell :) just counting capital assets.
[2008/06/14 9:43] Sudane Erato: yeah... exactly
[2008/06/14 9:43] Sudane Erato: and some of that value surely does relate to my list there
[2008/06/14 9:44] Sudane Erato: in extremeity... we COULD sell a sim..
[2008/06/14 9:44] Sudane Erato: although that cuts our revenue base
[2008/06/14 9:44] Flyingroc Chung: can you explain what "surity for our commiments" mena?
[2008/06/14 9:44] You: hm - your list gives us some concepts - but does not much suggest a methodolgy for "how much ie enough"
[2008/06/14 9:44] Sudane Erato: anyway... I strongly invite additions to my list here
[2008/06/14 9:44] You: I will wait for FR's Q, I guess :)
[2008/06/14 9:44] Sudane Erato: "surity for our commitments"... hmm
[2008/06/14 9:44] You: then I'd like to get back to "amount"
[2008/06/14 9:45] Sudane Erato: i mean basically that with the money in hand, we can guarantee performance..
[2008/06/14 9:45] Sudane Erato: related to the other point
[2008/06/14 9:45] Sudane Erato: like things placed in escrow to gauarentee delivery of something
[2008/06/14 9:46] Sudane Erato: my over all point here is that we should have some policy to budget in such a way that this "reserve" grows
[2008/06/14 9:46] You: Su, I unberstand the surety and bank-ish idea, but no-one is pursuing that at present, nor even in prospect, correct?
[2008/06/14 9:46] Sudane Erato: if possible
[2008/06/14 9:46] Sudane Erato: pursuing that?
[2008/06/14 9:46] Sudane Erato: it simply "is"
[2008/06/14 9:47] Sudane Erato: and i'd like it to be existing through a conscious decision on the part of the community... rather than just by chance
[2008/06/14 9:47] Sudane Erato: hi MT :)
[2008/06/14 9:47] You: Sorry, Mrs. Clinton: what "is" the "is" there?
[2008/06/14 9:48] You: :D
[2008/06/14 9:48] Sudane Erato: anyway... like I said... these points can be discussed more... I'd love a finance committee to do this with
[2008/06/14 9:48] You: And hello MT -- we declared the meeting a loss but have been benefitting from Sudane's informal budget presentation anyway
[2008/06/14 9:48] Flyingroc Chung: so we currently have enough reserves to pay for several months of tier, or several additional sims
[2008/06/14 9:48] Sudane Erato: yes
[2008/06/14 9:48] Jon Seattle: Ah, Jamie was talking about potential public banking enterprise -- currently not allowed as I understand it
[2008/06/14 9:48] Sudane Erato: that's right
[2008/06/14 9:49] Sudane Erato: yes... potential banking sponsorship is one area that would benefit
[2008/06/14 9:49] Sudane Erato: and..
[2008/06/14 9:49] Sudane Erato: its banning is only temporary, i'd suggest
[2008/06/14 9:50] Sudane Erato: anyway... the justification for this is a on going topic
[2008/06/14 9:50] Sudane Erato: so let me move on
[2008/06/14 9:50] You: um Su?
[2008/06/14 9:50] Sudane Erato: yes?
[2008/06/14 9:50] You: One quick Q on reserves
[2008/06/14 9:50] Sudane Erato: sure
[2008/06/14 9:50] You: Just checking to be sure I did not miss a point ...
[2008/06/14 9:51] You: ... I do not see how your points, meritorious though they are, really point to a *methodology* for determing a"safe" minimum reserve *amount*. Did I miss something?
[2008/06/14 9:51] You: Because ultimately any decision wll be ... a number :)
[2008/06/14 9:52] Sudane Erato: thats correct... I have no proposal for a methodolgy
[2008/06/14 9:52] Flyingroc Chung: what is step 3b then?
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[2008/06/14 9:52] Sudane Erato: only a concept that they exist and grow
[2008/06/14 9:52] Sudane Erato: the methodolgy is simply my gut feeling... which is a frail excuse, i know
[2008/06/14 9:53] Sudane Erato: but... that's my limitation... i use my instincts in much of my money management
[2008/06/14 9:53] Sudane Erato: and often can't explain it
[2008/06/14 9:53] Sudane Erato: its something that should be done collectively
[2008/06/14 9:53] Sudane Erato: hence one of my motives for a finance committee
[2008/06/14 9:54] Sudane Erato: so that said

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[2008/06/14 9:54] Sudane Erato: i suggest 25% of available cash
[2008/06/14 9:54] Sudane Erato: be set aside for reserves
[2008/06/14 9:54] Sudane Erato: available cash being that money still left after the fixed costs are covered
[2008/06/14 9:54] Sudane Erato: tier is paid
[2008/06/14 9:55] Sudane Erato: again... just my sense... it's something we *can* do, and we should
[2008/06/14 9:55] Flyingroc Chung: currently we put almost 100% then?
[2008/06/14 9:55] Sudane Erato: that 25% equals 5% of the total revenue
[2008/06/14 9:55] Sudane Erato: yes, exactly FR
[2008/06/14 9:56] Sudane Erato: we don't really spend anything
[2008/06/14 9:56] You: :)
[2008/06/14 9:56] Sudane Erato: and thats why we have such a healthy reserve
[2008/06/14 9:56] You: Indeed
[2008/06/14 9:56] Sudane Erato: but... quite honestly... our process sucks
[2008/06/14 9:56] Sudane Erato: there is no examination of these issues..
[2008/06/14 9:56] You: Most of our events are self-supporting .. most of or work is volunteer
[2008/06/14 9:57] Sudane Erato: and there must be... if we are responsible with the communities money
[2008/06/14 9:57] Sudane Erato: yes... and thats fine
[2008/06/14 9:57] You: and we are darn lucky Su is utterly honesty and personally solvent :)
[2008/06/14 9:57] Sudane Erato: but this all should be active decision...
[2008/06/14 9:57] You: because we have NONE of what auditors call "governance" in our budget process
[2008/06/14 9:57] Sudane Erato: rather than passive... "oh... thats whats happened"
[2008/06/14 9:58] You: and not bloody much in the way of "internal controls" either :)
[2008/06/14 9:58] Sudane Erato: yeah... well, we had staff salaries..
[2008/06/14 9:58] Sudane Erato: but i found i couldn't administer them the way we were doing them
[2008/06/14 9:58] Sudane Erato: and they fell by the wayside
[2008/06/14 9:58] Sudane Erato: hehe... including my own :)
[2008/06/14 9:59] Sudane Erato: anyway... the last step is obvious...

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[2008/06/14 9:59] Flyingroc Chung: Sudane, what was the problem with salaries?
[2008/06/14 9:59] Sudane Erato: decide what to do with the rest
[2008/06/14 9:59] You: Let me put it this way :) if this were a corporate board of directors.... I'd resign to flee the personal risk of being party to so lax a system ... as I said, Thank God Sudane is a benevolent volunteer
[2008/06/14 9:59] Sudane Erato: FR... the personnel changed so often...
[2008/06/14 10:00] Flyingroc Chung: but surely you've been treasurer since time immemorial
[2008/06/14 10:00] Sudane Erato: that I hardly knew if someone was actively on duty
[2008/06/14 10:01] Sudane Erato: yes, i have been ... but there's no "system" ... nobody says, in writing ... Sudane, pay this person ...
[2008/06/14 10:01] Flyingroc Chung: ah
[2008/06/14 10:01] Sudane Erato: and then I mark off that they are paid, so the initiator knows
[2008/06/14 10:01] Sudane Erato: so, without that, I've been reluctant to guess
[2008/06/14 10:01] You: I look at the salary problem this way: Su's not going to pay anyone without a request/authority (duh). Who's going to give it to her? And do we expect her to spend time chasing those answers if they do not come?
[2008/06/14 10:02] Sudane Erato: yes... exactly
[2008/06/14 10:02] Jon Seattle: Shouldn't such internal procedures be a task of the executive?
[2008/06/14 10:02] Sudane Erato: Jon, I think so
[2008/06/14 10:02] Flyingroc Chung: I think so too
[2008/06/14 10:02] You: um - who is incentivized to perform, how, exactly?
[2008/06/14 10:02] Sudane Erato: of which, yes, i am a member
[2008/06/14 10:02] Flyingroc Chung: Maybe if we also paid the chancellor :-)
[2008/06/14 10:03] Sudane Erato: i have proposed a document... by which payment requests are made
[2008/06/14 10:03] Sudane Erato: hehe... perhaps
[2008/06/14 10:03] Flyingroc Chung: we could set up a paymaster position that is also a paid position
[2008/06/14 10:04] Sudane Erato: well... FR, that may be overkill at this moment..
[2008/06/14 10:04] Sudane Erato: we just need a "tracking"
[2008/06/14 10:04] Sudane Erato: someone verifies that a payment must be made
[2008/06/14 10:04] Sudane Erato: then I make it
[2008/06/14 10:05] Sudane Erato: and I verify that it has been paid ... it can be quite simple
[2008/06/14 10:05] Jon Seattle: /sorry have to run, thanks much Sudane!
[2008/06/14 10:05] Sudane Erato: anyway ... that concludes what I can offer ...
[2008/06/14 10:05] Sudane Erato: yw :)
[2008/06/14 10:05] You: As for *pay*, :) can we flag it as a known problem and move on? As for "tracking", Su, can you post your GoogleDocs link here, for people to see?
[2008/06/14 10:05] Sudane Erato: sure...
[2008/06/14 10:05] Sudane Erato: it will take a sec...
[2008/06/14 10:06] You: and hm -- do we need to take any action to make that the official request method? I do NOT think so, but you tell me. Seems like properly it's a unilateral Executive act.
[2008/06/14 10:07] Sudane Erato: yes... it should be an executive process thing... we just haven't gotten it high enough on the agenda
[2008/06/14 10:08] You: While Sudane looks for the URI, and perhaps messes around with its permissions a bit, let me mention this. I think the next step here, after this helpful presentation, is for anyone inclined to do so to propose legislation around budget planning.
[2008/06/14 10:09] Sudane Erato: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... T-dTmDzBWA
[2008/06/14 10:09] Sudane Erato: i hope that works
[2008/06/14 10:09] You: And maybe we should put a notice in the forum or something? ALL YE WHO HOPE FOR PAYMENT, ENTER HERE OR ABANDON HOPE? :)
[2008/06/14 10:10] Flyingroc Chung: hm, so it will be up to the person who is supposed to be paid to ask for payment?
[2008/06/14 10:10] Sudane Erato: well. it was not at all my concept that *anyone* could place an entry there
[2008/06/14 10:10] Sudane Erato: no... not at all
[2008/06/14 10:10] Sudane Erato: IMO
[2008/06/14 10:10] Sudane Erato: it should be whoever has the responsibility to spend money
[2008/06/14 10:11] Sudane Erato: i think if it was open, we'd have a disaster
[2008/06/14 10:11] Flyingroc Chung: the chancellor, then
[2008/06/14 10:11] Jamie Palisades smiles and notes Sonja's recent presence and waives
[2008/06/14 10:11] Sudane Erato: yes... and perhaps the LRA
[2008/06/14 10:11] Sonja Strom smiles
[2008/06/14 10:12] You: hm - Sudane, there would need to be some widely accessible way to log a *request* for payment, no?
[2008/06/14 10:12] Sudane Erato: could be any number of authorized people... so long as there was accountability
[2008/06/14 10:12] Danton Sideways: This brings to mind recent repeated requests for payment by a certain citizen
[2008/06/14 10:13] Sudane Erato: well... the first question is... who spends money?... who makes the decisions... and who is answerable for what they spend?
[2008/06/14 10:13] Sudane Erato: obviously the Chancellor
[2008/06/14 10:13] Sudane Erato: but perhaps the Chancellor could delegate that as well ... like to an events person
[2008/06/14 10:14] Sudane Erato: the certain person has been hounding me for months ... for payment
[2008/06/14 10:14] Sudane Erato: but I have no idea where that decision came from
[2008/06/14 10:14] Sudane Erato: any person could ask me for payment
[2008/06/14 10:15] Sudane Erato: and then *I* would be answerable to justify why I spent the money
[2008/06/14 10:15] Danton Sideways: we seem to be breaking new ground here :)
[2008/06/14 10:15] Sudane Erato: and I have no idea
[2008/06/14 10:15] You: indeed, Danton
[2008/06/14 10:15] You: but
[2008/06/14 10:15] You: if Treasurer always requires an authorization to pay
[2008/06/14 10:15] You: (which seems sound!)
[2008/06/14 10:16] You: Then if those who are empowered to authorize never do so
[2008/06/14 10:16] You: (which seems to be the case, and has long been, apparently)
[2008/06/14 10:16] Flyingroc Chung: then perhaps impeachment is in order
[2008/06/14 10:16] Danton Sideways: so the certain citizen at least has the merit posing the question
[2008/06/14 10:17] You: I do not see it FR: ha ha this crowd?
[2008/06/14 10:17] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/14 10:17] Flyingroc Chung: well some sort of big stick :-)
[2008/06/14 10:17] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2008/06/14 10:17] You: As we are not in an official meeting, let me just point out that there's VERY little will to require ANYTHING from ANYONE in my observation
[2008/06/14 10:17] Sudane Erato: yes :(
[2008/06/14 10:18] Sudane Erato: well... you require me to pay the LL tier... can we assume that?
[2008/06/14 10:18] You: FR, my own view comes from RL -- infinite slack generates infinite slackers :)
[2008/06/14 10:18] Sudane Erato: hehe
[2008/06/14 10:18] Flyingroc Chung: sounds like my kind of town!
[2008/06/14 10:19] Sudane Erato: lol
[2008/06/14 10:19] You: Before I leave RA I will make a few suggestions about that
[2008/06/14 10:19] You: :) but yes - and for EXACTLY that reason FR -- factions may kill them :)
[2008/06/14 10:19] Patroklus Murakami: i must get going. ty for your presentation sudane, that was very thought-provoking
[2008/06/14 10:19] Sudane Erato: thx Pat :)
[2008/06/14 10:19] You: Indeed! Thanks very much Sudane
[2008/06/14 10:19] Patroklus Murakami: hope to see you all at a quorate RA meeting soon :)
[2008/06/14 10:20] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/06/14 10:20] You: Heh
[2008/06/14 10:20] You: Thanks for coming Pat
[2008/06/14 10:20] Sudane Erato: I should depart as well... but i am always available for questions
[2008/06/14 10:20] You: Thanks again so much
[2008/06/14 10:21] Sudane Erato: and ... also in need of guidance in many areas here
[2008/06/14 10:21] Sudane Erato: so ... we assume this is an ongoing discussion
[2008/06/14 10:21] You: Ha that IS my hope, anyway
[2008/06/14 10:21] Sonja Strom: I would think so.
[2008/06/14 10:21] Sudane Erato: bye all :)
[2008/06/14 10:21] Sonja Strom: bye bye Sudane!
[2008/06/14 10:21] You: And thanks to everyone who came
[2008/06/14 10:22] You: No need for adjournment, as we did not meet as the RA. Anything to discuss before we go?
[2008/06/14 10:22] Danton Sideways: Bye Sudane!
[2008/06/14 10:23] Flyingroc Chung: I dont have anything
[2008/06/14 10:23] Sonja Strom: Me either
[2008/06/14 10:23] Flyingroc Chung: except that if we dont know what to spend that money on
[2008/06/14 10:23] Flyingroc Chung: we probably shouldn't be collecting it
[2008/06/14 10:24] Danton Sideways: Sudane's whole argument was about why we should be saving it
[2008/06/14 10:24] You: :) a good chat for the future FR
[2008/06/14 10:24] You: and of course ... RA always can legislate if it wants
[2008/06/14 10:24] Flyingroc Chung: well, she's saying we keep 25% of our "profit"
[2008/06/14 10:24] Flyingroc Chung: and spend 75%
[2008/06/14 10:24] Danton Sideways: but she admits maybe be only have to save some, yes
[2008/06/14 10:24] Flyingroc Chung: but we dont spend that
[2008/06/14 10:25] Danton Sideways: So CDS has to learn to spend money
[2008/06/14 10:25] You: I think, to be fair, she has been socking up dough primarily because no .. one .. is .. giving .. her ... instructions .. to ... do ... otherwise. (Mild smile, shrug)
[2008/06/14 10:25] Danton Sideways: something it has never done before :)
[2008/06/14 10:26] Sonja Strom: Maybe we could have mountains!
[2008/06/14 10:26] Danton Sideways: except on tier and sims of course
[2008/06/14 10:26] Flyingroc Chung: we could start paying the guild
[2008/06/14 10:26] You: hm do Mountains cost money, Sonja?
[2008/06/14 10:26] Danton Sideways: that's the can of worms
[2008/06/14 10:26] Danton Sideways: when you start paying anyone, where do you stop?
[2008/06/14 10:26] You: FR, is that needed? When we have sufficient volunteers at all times?
[2008/06/14 10:27] Flyingroc Chung: when we run out of that 75%
[2008/06/14 10:27] Sonja Strom: Jamie, the cost of tier has been one of the major reasons citizens have given for opposing our having mountains.
[2008/06/14 10:27] Flyingroc Chung: Well, when I came into neualtenburg, it was assumed that some day, we would be making enough money to pay for our hard working workers
[2008/06/14 10:27] Sonja Strom: I offered to help pay for them, but did not want to pay for all of it just on my own.
[2008/06/14 10:27] Danton Sideways: unproductive land
[2008/06/14 10:28] Flyingroc Chung: this was when the guild was still part of government
[2008/06/14 10:28] Sonja Strom: For about a year I offered to pay 1/4 of all costs for the mountains.
[2008/06/14 10:28] Sonja Strom: Now I'm kind of rethinking that offer.
[2008/06/14 10:28] Danton Sideways: that IS a possibility, more open land, or more sandboxes
[2008/06/14 10:29] Sonja Strom: I think they would make our community more interesting, too.
[2008/06/14 10:29] Danton Sideways: I think we should open a colony in one of the OpenSim grids
[2008/06/14 10:30] Sonja Strom: That
[2008/06/14 10:30] Sonja Strom: is a good idea, Danton!
[2008/06/14 10:30] You: hmmm
[2008/06/14 10:30] Sonja Strom: Maybe a Franchulate?
[2008/06/14 10:30] Sonja Strom: Or can that only be on the mainland?
[2008/06/14 10:30] Danton Sideways: maybe, tho I never understood that term :)
[2008/06/14 10:31] Sonja Strom: I can't say I have completely either.
[2008/06/14 10:31] You: well personally I think we *should* do voids for mountains, and many other successul colonies allow this -- and would welcome ... legislation ....
[2008/06/14 10:31] Danton Sideways: sounds like Franchise, that I understand
[2008/06/14 10:31] Sonja Strom: My understanding is that they would be extensions of the CDS into non-contiguous areas.
[2008/06/14 10:31] You: as for franchulates -- great idea -- but -- :) no one has done the work to make it a plausible proposal.
[2008/06/14 10:32] Sonja Strom: I believe that's true, Jamie.
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