See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1955 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 28 June 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Neufreistadt Rathaus
(scheduled for Colonia Nova Praetorium, apologies for any confusion)
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items
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[2008/06/28 9:03] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/21/167/41
[2008/06/28 9:05] You: Good morning - and evening MT
[2008/06/28 9:05] Beathan Vale: oop
[2008/06/28 9:05] Beathan Vale: I was guessing
[2008/06/28 9:05] ThePrincess Parisi: there you are
[2008/06/28 9:05] Moon Adamant: Hi Jamie :)
[2008/06/28 9:05] Moon Adamant: hello MT
[2008/06/28 9:06] You: What a pleasant surprise. Good morning all.
[2008/06/28 9:06] ThePrincess Parisi: accesorizing sorry
[2008/06/28 9:06] You: I am afraid I was over in CN where the meeting notice said we would meet, but no matter.
[2008/06/28 9:06] Moon Adamant: hi Sonja :)
[2008/06/28 9:06] Sonja Strom: good morning
[2008/06/28 9:06] ThePrincess Parisi: i saw that
[2008/06/28 9:06] Jamie Palisades looks at the clock
[2008/06/28 9:06] ThePrincess Parisi: hi everyone
[2008/06/28 9:06] You: :)
[2008/06/28 9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie may i ask you a personal question
[2008/06/28 9:07] You: Prin, you are a fashion icon - the ancients said beauty never needs to apologize :)
[2008/06/28 9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: did you go to catholic school hon?
[2008/06/28 9:07] You: why? do I look like a nun today?
[2008/06/28 9:07] MT Lundquist: hi all
[2008/06/28 9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: you just are so darn particular.. please chill
[2008/06/28 9:07] You: nice to see you Beathan.
[2008/06/28 9:07] You: :) in my current role, Prin, I'm expected to try and facilitate progress. That does put a few constraints on me.
[2008/06/28 9:07] ThePrincess Parisi: actually I have found out that this is actually a computer video game after all
[2008/06/28 9:08] You: Really? Heh. What tipped you off?
[2008/06/28 9:08] MT Lundquist: what
[2008/06/28 9:08] MT Lundquist: it is!!!!!
[2008/06/28 9:08] MT Lundquist: wow
[2008/06/28 9:08] Jon Seattle: back. Hi everyone :)
[2008/06/28 9:08] ThePrincess Parisi: I see sir
[2008/06/28 9:08] ThePrincess Parisi: oh dont tell jon i said that
[2008/06/28 9:08] ThePrincess Parisi: he gets very upset
[2008/06/28 9:08] ThePrincess Parisi: please dont read back jon
[2008/06/28 9:08] ThePrincess Parisi: are you running for RA jon
[2008/06/28 9:09] Jon Seattle: I am not reading back :)
[2008/06/28 9:09] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you .. thats in your best interest
[2008/06/28 9:09] Moon Adamant: you'll know in a while Prin
[2008/06/28 9:09] Jon Seattle: not running for RA (of course)
[2008/06/28 9:09] ThePrincess Parisi: good thanks
[2008/06/28 9:10] You: Of course, the risk in thinking of it is a game is that one might be tempted to treat the real people in it like, well, little Mario Bros mushrooms or monsters, which one can shoot at will, or jump on :) - or make nasty remarks to -
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[2008/06/28 9:10] You: Shall we start? We are quorate.
[2008/06/28 9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: yes sir
[2008/06/28 9:10] Beathan Vale: you mean I'm not a mushroom? hmmmm
[2008/06/28 9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: waiting on the right earrings
[2008/06/28 9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: but im fine
[2008/06/28 9:10] You: The agenda's here as proposed: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1929
[2008/06/28 9:10] Sonja Strom: I assent
[2008/06/28 9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: i assent
[2008/06/28 9:11] Beathan Vale: assent
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[2008/06/28 9:11] You: :) 1a. Would all please assent to recording for the transacript. I assent.
[2008/06/28 9:11] Sonja Strom: I assent
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[2008/06/28 9:11] You: 1b. Any changes to the agenda? I do not see Alexi on line but we can deal with that when we get to item 2
[2008/06/28 9:12] Moon Adamant: i assent
[2008/06/28 9:12] MT Lundquist: assent
[2008/06/28 9:12] ThePrincess Parisi: i already assented
[2008/06/28 9:12] Jon Seattle: yes, since Moon is here it may be good to put the sim finance first - she has to run before long
[2008/06/28 9:12] Jamie Palisades nods and smiles
[2008/06/28 9:12] Moon Adamant: i am really not sure at all how much time i can stay
[2008/06/28 9:12] You: Well, Jon, as she is here and Alexicon is not, that makes sense to me
[2008/06/28 9:13] Jon Seattle: :) nods
[2008/06/28 9:13] You: any objections to that? reversing items 2 & 3?
[2008/06/28 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont mind reverals
[2008/06/28 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: reversals
[2008/06/28 9:13] You: :)
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[2008/06/28 9:13] You: 1c
[2008/06/28 9:14] You: Other than Moon on Sim 4. any nonRA memebrs planning to speak on a topic today?
[2008/06/28 9:14] ThePrincess Parisi: i have still not been paid for the guided tour
[2008/06/28 9:14] You: Not hearing any ...
[2008/06/28 9:15] Sonja Strom: really?
[2008/06/28 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: really
[2008/06/28 9:15] You: Hm - Prin let's handle that under 1.f. in a sec
[2008/06/28 9:15] Sonja Strom: wow, that's been a long time!
[2008/06/28 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/06/28 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: a long long long long time
[2008/06/28 9:15] You: so no 1.c. speakers, OK
[2008/06/28 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: I was not reimbursed for last years cheristmas party either
[2008/06/28 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: I also have a friendly issue with sudane
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[2008/06/28 9:15] You: 1d - routine notice, please send me any corrections to the posted transcripts :)
[2008/06/28 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: shes been harrassing citixzens
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[2008/06/28 9:15] You: 1e
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: in a political agenda way
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: where do we discuss that
[2008/06/28 9:16] Moon Adamant: that+s a serious accusation
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: i have chat
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: notecards
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: and witnesses
[2008/06/28 9:16] You: Any desire to talk about our plans? Prin, can the reimbursement thing and the Sudane thing wait about 90 seconds?
[2008/06/28 9:16] Beathan Vale: harrassing? or reminding that rent is due?
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: yep no worries or hurries
[2008/06/28 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: harrassing beathan
[2008/06/28 9:16] You: kk :) patience, all, please
[2008/06/28 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: she actually told me even that she didnt want a new sim
[2008/06/28 9:17] You: let's deal with that - in a minute :)
[2008/06/28 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: and I understand it all now
[2008/06/28 9:17] You: Prin? Can I run the meeting please?
[2008/06/28 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: you asked a question, sorry I answered
[2008/06/28 9:17] You: That would require waiting for a proper time for each item of business
[2008/06/28 9:17] You: we're briefly on 1e
[2008/06/28 9:17] You: which is schedule
[2008/06/28 9:18] You: and I expect to call a meeting on each of the remaining Saturdays in June & July
[2008/06/28 9:18] You: oops - this is last in June :) make that July
[2008/06/28 9:18] You: next week is July 5 - so - do we want to try to meet then, or not?
[2008/06/28 9:19] You: Big holiday weekend for some
[2008/06/28 9:19] Beathan Vale: I'm unavailable on the 5th
[2008/06/28 9:19] Sonja Strom: I might be unavailable then, not sure yet.
[2008/06/28 9:19] Beathan Vale: but -- I've been so buried lately my schedule is entirely unpredictable
[2008/06/28 9:19] You: unless someone tells me otherwise, I'd be inclined to call meetings for the 12, 19 and 26 of July then
[2008/06/28 9:20] Sonja Strom: Same for me Beathan
[2008/06/28 9:20] You: of course, if someone knows in advance they cannot come, they can ask their faction to replace them also :)
[2008/06/28 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: i never know either, .. but i am raising my hand
[2008/06/28 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie.. may i say something?
[2008/06/28 9:20] You: Please do, yes
[2008/06/28 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: please just call the meetings.. and hope we show and dont worry, cos you have had the most quorum meetings ever
[2008/06/28 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: you are trying too hard.. chill
[2008/06/28 9:21] Beathan Vale: brb
[2008/06/28 9:21] Sonja Strom: ok
[2008/06/28 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: you are doing a great job
[2008/06/28 9:21] You: :) I appreciate that Prin - but what about the 5th? I ask because we have people waiting for action from us, so want us to be a litle polite and predictable if we can
[2008/06/28 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: we all do the best we can jamie..
[2008/06/28 9:21] Sonja Strom: I think skipping the 5th would be better.
[2008/06/28 9:22] You: and yes :) I did go to catholic school by the way :D
[2008/06/28 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: i can do the fifth
[2008/06/28 9:22] You: and Prin? Also, I ask because I think the LRA should consult with the RA about stuff like this :) let's set a good precedent for the future, this term
[2008/06/28 9:22] Sonja Strom: I can ask for a 7-day vote.
[2008/06/28 9:22] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/06/28 9:23] You: so ? I suggest I uping the absent RA members, and if at least four think they can attend, I will call a meeting for the 5th
[2008/06/28 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: i think you misspelled a word sir
[2008/06/28 9:23] You: and in any case we will do 12 19 26 July, and 26th will be our last before the newely elected RA is seated, I think
[2008/06/28 9:23] MT Lundquist: its eith pung
[2008/06/28 9:24] MT Lundquist: or ping
[2008/06/28 9:24] You: :) I am sure I did Prin, I am a horrid typist "ping"
[2008/06/28 9:24] Moon Adamant sighs
[2008/06/28 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: poll
[2008/06/28 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: oh ping as in IM
[2008/06/28 9:24] Sonja Strom notices she tells him to lighten up and then corrects him in a misspelling
[2008/06/28 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: i was saying that tongue in cheek
[2008/06/28 9:24] You: mmm - I am not sure what "punging" them would mean, MT - hope that isn't AU slang for something ...
[2008/06/28 9:24] You: I think we are done with 1.e. :)
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[2008/06/28 9:24] You: 1f
[2008/06/28 9:24] You: consent items
[2008/06/28 9:25] You: I had none .. but :)
[2008/06/28 9:25] You: Apparently Prin is not still reimbursed!
[2008/06/28 9:25] You: after what, 3 months?
[2008/06/28 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: no not for any of the three things
[2008/06/28 9:25] MT Lundquist: from latex to a nun
[2008/06/28 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: no jamie this was approved last term, so more like four
[2008/06/28 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont know at least three
[2008/06/28 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont keep track
[2008/06/28 9:26] You: We had a great budget presentation from Sudane a few weeks ago at http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1921 . I encourage all to read it. .... one of the relevant things I learned ...
[2008/06/28 9:26] You: .. is that she pays almost nothing unless explicitly authorized by Chancellor, except tier and related land payments
[2008/06/28 9:26] You: .. so for example, stipends to some have stopped
[2008/06/28 9:27] You: .. as she has not got a list of who should be getting them
[2008/06/28 9:27] You: .. so I assume her hangup with paying you is that the Chancellor has not authorized it
[2008/06/28 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: yes well that is clear that its the chancellor i knew that from the beginning
[2008/06/28 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: why isnt it fixed
[2008/06/28 9:28] You: :) so I would like to move that the RA formally ask the chancellor to authorise Sudane to pay Prin for all of her reimbursement requests within 7 days.
[2008/06/28 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: that is seconded
[2008/06/28 9:28] You: Any discussion?
[2008/06/28 9:28] Sonja Strom: This might be off-topic,
[2008/06/28 9:28] You: I'd like us to return to tougher options next week if nothing happens, if this passes:)
[2008/06/28 9:29] Xcite! Ruler is placed firmly into ThePrincess's hand.
[2008/06/28 9:29] You: Sonja?
[2008/06/28 9:29] Sonja Strom: but how does the Chancellor know if the reimbursement requests are legitimate?
[2008/06/28 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: never stopped me
[2008/06/28 9:29] MT Lundquist looks nervous
[2008/06/28 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: thats his job i think
[2008/06/28 9:29] You: :) well Sonja entirely on topic - if he replies that he has considered and rejected it, I guess we will know
[2008/06/28 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: and if we think he is wrong we empeach it
[2008/06/28 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: him
[2008/06/28 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: or her
[2008/06/28 9:30] You: and frankly a lack of action is worse that a rejection
[2008/06/28 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: it is to me
[2008/06/28 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: im pissed
[2008/06/28 9:30] Arun Botha: heya !
[2008/06/28 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: hi arun
[2008/06/28 9:30] MT Lundquist: hi arun
[2008/06/28 9:30] Moon Adamant: hello arun
[2008/06/28 9:30] You: Prin's right the only "ruler" the laws of CDS gives us, to swat a Chancellor, is to remove that person
[2008/06/28 9:30] Sonja Strom: ok, so maybe we can ask him to "Respond with a Reimbursement or Rejection of a reimbursement request within 7 days of it being made."
[2008/06/28 9:30] Arun Botha: i always feel ive been summoned to a dressing down at one of these
[2008/06/28 9:30] Arun Botha: lol
[2008/06/28 9:31] You: I accept that as a friendly amendment if no one objects
[2008/06/28 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: i accept
[2008/06/28 9:31] MT Lundquist: accepted
[2008/06/28 9:31] You: Oh I dunno Arun, I'm wearing sort of a foppy deal today, maybe its a "dressing up"
[2008/06/28 9:31] MT Lundquist: are we dressing up
[2008/06/28 9:31] Arun Botha: lol
[2008/06/28 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: im keeping jamie humble
[2008/06/28 9:31] MT Lundquist: or down
[2008/06/28 9:32] You: (and please assent to being transcripted if you speak, this is a recorded meeting)
[2008/06/28 9:32] Sonja Strom: are we in a vote?
[2008/06/28 9:32] You: Man, Prin, that's a tough job
[2008/06/28 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: no shit
[2008/06/28 9:32] You: :) we are now. Are you ready to vote on the amended motion?
[2008/06/28 9:32] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/06/28 9:32] Sonja Strom: yes
[2008/06/28 9:32] You: Members please state your vote. I vote yes
[2008/06/28 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/06/28 9:32] Beathan Vale: aye
[2008/06/28 9:32] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/06/28 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/06/28 9:32] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/06/28 9:33] You: Motion passes 4-0-0. I will notify Alexi and Sudane and post to the Forum board. Thanks
[2008/06/28 9:33] MT Lundquist: great
[2008/06/28 9:33] You: end of consent items
[2008/06/28 9:33] Sonja Strom: I do have one other question about this.
[2008/06/28 9:33] You: OK? Sonja?
[2008/06/28 9:33] Sonja Strom: How would it effect existing reimbursement requests.
[2008/06/28 9:34] You: ?
[2008/06/28 9:34] Sonja Strom: Like, if they were made 4 months ago.
[2008/06/28 9:34] Sonja Strom: Would they all be included, retroactively?
[2008/06/28 9:34] You: Sorry, do not understand. Are you saying that there other outstanding requests?
[2008/06/28 9:34] MT Lundquist: i would think that they now all have to be dealt with in 7 days
[2008/06/28 9:35] Sonja Strom: So we will view it as that all existing requests will have to be responded to within 7 days of when we tell him?
[2008/06/28 9:35] MT Lundquist: thats what i think
[2008/06/28 9:35] Sonja Strom: me too
[2008/06/28 9:35] You: hmmm - Sonja, we have not yet created such a rule generally
[2008/06/28 9:36] Sonja Strom: So, for it to be in effect for TP's requests, should she re-file them with the Chancellor?
[2008/06/28 9:36] You: the reason I asked Sudane to explain some of these rules - which is all transcripted - is so that we could better understand
[2008/06/28 9:36] You: but for now
[2008/06/28 9:37] You: I think we have, by an RA motion, asked the Chancellor to respond on Prin's long-overdue requests
[2008/06/28 9:37] Sonja Strom: ok
[2008/06/28 9:38] Sonja Strom: I just wanted to be sure.
[2008/06/28 9:38] You: If there are others, I hope someone will tell us ... and Alexicon
[2008/06/28 9:38] You: next item :)
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[2008/06/28 9:38] You: We agreed to switch items 3 and 2
[2008/06/28 9:38] You: so we are on 3
[2008/06/28 9:38] You: Sim 4 Locus Amoenus
[2008/06/28 9:38] Moon Adamant nods
[2008/06/28 9:38] You: Let me remind you that we DID approve map and stats
[2008/06/28 9:39] You: but NOT land prices or the Linden purchase
[2008/06/28 9:39] Moon Adamant: AND covenants
[2008/06/28 9:39] You: oo right we did covenants too :) thanks Moon
[2008/06/28 9:39] You: here is where all that can be found in our transcripts: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1908
[2008/06/28 9:40] You: so
[2008/06/28 9:40] You: RA has 3 options :)
[2008/06/28 9:40] You: 1. approve the pricing offered at the 7 June meeting, and the sim purchase
[2008/06/28 9:40] You: 2. approve something else
[2008/06/28 9:40] You: or :)
[2008/06/28 9:41] You: 3. Decline to act and thereby PERMIT the chancellor to proceed without us
[2008/06/28 9:41] You: I gave this some thought, and ...
[2008/06/28 9:42] You: it looks like, under our laws, the Chancellor may not be able to approve covenants for land without the RA...
[2008/06/28 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: agreed
[2008/06/28 9:42] You: but he CAN authorize the sim purchase
[2008/06/28 9:42] You: :)
[2008/06/28 9:42] Sonja Strom: Hi Alexicon
[2008/06/28 9:42] Alexicon Kurka: hi everyone
[2008/06/28 9:42] You: and may even have the power to set land prices if we do not :)
[2008/06/28 9:42] Moon Adamant: hi Alex :)
[2008/06/28 9:42] MT Lundquist: hi alex
[2008/06/28 9:43] Jon Seattle: Hi Alex :)
[2008/06/28 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: hello chancellor sir
[2008/06/28 9:43] Alexicon Kurka: I just mentioned you mentioning me
[2008/06/28 9:43] You: Hello Alexi. We moved on to land price issues in your absence
[2008/06/28 9:43] Alexicon Kurka: sure
[2008/06/28 9:44] You: :) if you are OK for a little while to stay, let's stay on the Sim 4 price issues
[2008/06/28 9:44] MT Lundquist: hi bj
[2008/06/28 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: im OK
[2008/06/28 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: hi bj
[2008/06/28 9:44] Moon Adamant: hi Bjerkel :)
[2008/06/28 9:44] Alexicon Kurka: yes I will stay
[2008/06/28 9:44] Bjerkel Eerie: hi all
[2008/06/28 9:44] Sonja Strom: Hi Bjerkel
[2008/06/28 9:44] Alexicon Kurka: hi Bjerkel
[2008/06/28 9:44] You: (hello all - newcomers please assent to being recorded if you speak)
[2008/06/28 9:44] Jon Seattle: Hi Bjerkel :)
[2008/06/28 9:45] You: SO
[2008/06/28 9:45] Bjerkel Eerie: hellow jon
[2008/06/28 9:45] Alexicon Kurka: was that just in chat Jamie?
[2008/06/28 9:45] You: any RA members wish to make a motion, or shall we have a brief Sim 4 status report from Moon, as she's been able to join us briefly
[2008/06/28 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: lets hear from moon
[2008/06/28 9:46] You: ( yes, Alexi, just say "I assent' :) )
[2008/06/28 9:46] You: Moon? Update for us?
[2008/06/28 9:46] Alexicon Kurka: I assent
[2008/06/28 9:46] Moon Adamant: Well, update is that we are still waiting for this RA - or Chancellor, as you pointed out -
[2008/06/28 9:47] Moon Adamant: do discuss and define the pricing of land and the date of the buying of the sim
[2008/06/28 9:47] Moon Adamant: everything else has been approved by this RA
[2008/06/28 9:48] Moon Adamant: we are also preparing a budget for construction that we will present the Chancellor
[2008/06/28 9:50] You: Finished, Moon?
[2008/06/28 9:51] Moon Adamant: yes, done
[2008/06/28 9:51] Beathan Vale: Is the guild able to take land donations to create a sandbox to pre-build major buildings?
[2008/06/28 9:51] Moon Adamant: at the moment, we are not envisaging that
[2008/06/28 9:51] Moon Adamant: since we would have difficulty to pay the tier
[2008/06/28 9:51] You: hmmmm well BV they do a lot of aerial work
[2008/06/28 9:52] Beathan Vale: yes -- but I recall that the monastery was prebuilt (built before sim purchase) and it worked out well --
[2008/06/28 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: whats with the 5k usd in the bank?
[2008/06/28 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean where is the profit from CDS?
[2008/06/28 9:52] Moon Adamant: and generally, if a public building is needed, we build it on its parcel directly
[2008/06/28 9:52] You: Ah
[2008/06/28 9:53] You: let's finish BV's inqury then pursue Prin's point
[2008/06/28 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: i think we need an audit and a second set of eyes before we spend another dime
[2008/06/28 9:53] You: I guess Moon is saying, "not needed", Beathan
[2008/06/28 9:53] You: so I will deem your Q finished, hm?
[2008/06/28 9:53] Beathan Vale: I think that there are multiple choke points to expansion -- and if we remove any of them, we would have a better feeling of progress
[2008/06/28 9:53] You: Like what, Beathan?
[2008/06/28 9:54] Moon Adamant: well, Jamie, maybe in the future we can envisage that, as our financial dep manages our finances
[2008/06/28 9:54] Moon Adamant: atm, we prefer to gather some overhead
[2008/06/28 9:54] Beathan Vale: well -- the process is complicated - with multiple steps -- and it is interminable if those steps are taken linearly, but if we can have parallel (build on sandboxes while working out purchase and covenant details, for instance) I think that the process would be faster and better
[2008/06/28 9:55] Moon Adamant: well, Beathan
[2008/06/28 9:55] Beathan Vale: but the Guild's cash flow is the factor
[2008/06/28 9:55] Beathan Vale: so ...
[2008/06/28 9:55] Alexicon Kurka: but we are allowing skyboxes now to all new sims, don't we, that's a way to remove the building in place obstacles
[2008/06/28 9:55] Moon Adamant: Guild isn't infinteley elastic
[2008/06/28 9:55] Beathan Vale: Alex -- no -- I mean building before the sim is purchased
[2008/06/28 9:55] Moon Adamant: i mean, we only can have some dozen projects at each time
[2008/06/28 9:55] You: well, let's keep this moving along, hmn? Beathan, do you have an action or proposal about that to make at this time?
[2008/06/28 9:55] Beathan Vale: true
[2008/06/28 9:55] Beathan Vale: no -- just an inquiry
[2008/06/28 9:56] Beathan Vale: I am planning to cancel an alt with substantial ML holdings
[2008/06/28 9:56] You: "ML"?
[2008/06/28 9:56] Beathan Vale: mainland
[2008/06/28 9:56] You: ah OK let's tlk about that but postmeeting
[2008/06/28 9:57] You: so Prin - your turn - audit?
[2008/06/28 9:57] Beathan Vale: prob can't stay that long ... but OK
[2008/06/28 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we get an audit and account for the money before we go any further.. i am very concerned
[2008/06/28 9:57] Moon Adamant: what on?
[2008/06/28 9:57] You: Just for clarity, does that mean, RA action would prohibit sim purchase
[2008/06/28 9:57] Alexicon Kurka: audit whom, I think the main bottleneck is that we have no RL existance as organisation
[2008/06/28 9:57] You: ?
[2008/06/28 9:57] Moon Adamant: and what does it concern sim gfinances?
[2008/06/28 9:58] You: let's let her get her motion statd :)
[2008/06/28 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: that the money in cds is not being tracked properly .. it does mean we need to get the financial house in order before we ezpand more
[2008/06/28 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: i have been told by sudane there is concern about the process for collecting tier now
[2008/06/28 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: if we have a new sim, more residents
[2008/06/28 9:58] Moon Adamant: i think i heard that a substatntial report on budget had been made some RAs ago....
[2008/06/28 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: also i wanna know where the 5k is and get some accountability fior more than one purson
[2008/06/28 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: person
[2008/06/28 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: its in adequate
[2008/06/28 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: inadequate in my opinion
[2008/06/28 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: we need a full audit, where is the 5k
[2008/06/28 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: who has right to it
[2008/06/28 9:59] Moon Adamant: REALLY?
[2008/06/28 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: who know, and how is it invested
[2008/06/28 9:59] You: OK, so Prin I take that as a yes - a motion to require some third party audit or (similar outside review) to CDS finances as a condition to sim purchase? Just wanting to make sure we have it clear
[2008/06/28 10:00] You: can you confirm or correct that for me, Prin?
[2008/06/28 10:00] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we have a full financial audit before we go any further, yes jamie
[2008/06/28 10:00] ThePrincess Parisi: yes you are correct
[2008/06/28 10:00] MT Lundquist: second
[2008/06/28 10:00] You: (Hi Symo, welcome, please say "I assent" if you speak, as we are recording)
[2008/06/28 10:01] Moon Adamant: hi Symo :)
[2008/06/28 10:01] Symo Kurka: ok i assent
[2008/06/28 10:01] ThePrincess Parisi: as salzie wanted .... months ago, we dont have the structure in cds to grow now, we need to get that set up .. like jon said.............we need to be a organization, not owned by one person
[2008/06/28 10:01] You: OK. Moved and seconded. Discussion? RA members first please?
[2008/06/28 10:01] Jon Seattle: Hi Symo :)
[2008/06/28 10:01] ThePrincess Parisi: hi symo
[2008/06/28 10:01] Beathan Vale: I don't like the idea of holding up projects pending an audit, but I think that we should direct the chancellor to audit or arrange for an audit, to address concerns, highlight areas where Sudane could use assistance, and put this to rest
[2008/06/28 10:01] MT Lundquist: hi symo
[2008/06/28 10:01] Sonja Strom: As I understand it, the CDS is not owned by one person.
[2008/06/28 10:01] ThePrincess Parisi: the chancellor audit...hahaha
[2008/06/28 10:01] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja you are wrong
[2008/06/28 10:01] ThePrincess Parisi: we have all been told that but we have been lied to
[2008/06/28 10:02] Sonja Strom: It is "owned" by one avatar because Linden Lab requires one owner.
[2008/06/28 10:02] Moon Adamant raises one hand
[2008/06/28 10:02] Sonja Strom: But that avatar is accessed by different people, and is not Sudane.
[2008/06/28 10:02] Alexicon Kurka: I really think the main point is to first establish an RL entity for the CDS
[2008/06/28 10:02] ThePrincess Parisi: rudeen?
[2008/06/28 10:02] Sonja Strom: Of course I am talking about Rudeen, to be clear.
[2008/06/28 10:02] Sonja Strom: yes
[2008/06/28 10:03] ThePrincess Parisi: we need to be an entity not owned by a person.. well sudane / rudeen who ever.. they dont give me the info necessary to know that we are viable beyond a person's whim and we are irresponsible to continue to grow this way on myth
[2008/06/28 10:03] ThePrincess Parisi: we need more transparency
[2008/06/28 10:03] ThePrincess Parisi: who are those ppl sonja? do you know
[2008/06/28 10:03] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont
[2008/06/28 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: i have reasons to doubt .... many many
[2008/06/28 10:04] Beathan Vale: we get good monthly financials -- I would be happy to see them third-party checked biyearly or something -- but I don't think there is a problem with communication
[2008/06/28 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: thats a move in the right direction
[2008/06/28 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: what about being a legal entity on top of it
[2008/06/28 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: we got a bunch of self proclaimed lawyers
[2008/06/28 10:05] Moon Adamant raises her hand again
[2008/06/28 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: and being a non profit is a issue
[2008/06/28 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: ???
[2008/06/28 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: gimme a break?
[2008/06/28 10:05] Beathan Vale: I think we could easily draft and file the paperwork to be a nonprofit
[2008/06/28 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah so why dont we do it
[2008/06/28 10:05] Moon Adamant: i think we were discussing sim finances....
[2008/06/28 10:05] You: I am hearing some agreement in the room about more outside review. Can we get comments from others please?
[2008/06/28 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: its all the same issue
[2008/06/28 10:05] Moon Adamant: please?
[2008/06/28 10:06] You: Moon? Alexi? anyone else?
[2008/06/28 10:06] Moon Adamant: may I?
[2008/06/28 10:06] Beathan Vale: well -- there have been concerns about choice of location, choice of law, whether it would make us "American"
[2008/06/28 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: yes moon
[2008/06/28 10:06] MT Lundquist: i would support a non profit
[2008/06/28 10:06] Moon Adamant: the
[2008/06/28 10:06] Moon Adamant: IM HERE TO DISCUSSIS SIM FINANCES
[2008/06/28 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: yes ... and i made a motion moon
[2008/06/28 10:06] Moon Adamant: sorry, laptop keyboard
[2008/06/28 10:06] Moon Adamant: i am sorry, i am speaking
[2008/06/28 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: that we need to get the finances fixed before we move on
[2008/06/28 10:06] Jon Seattle: Sorry, folks I must run. Thanks!
[2008/06/28 10:06] You: MT, BV, Prin. Creating an entity is not in the motion before us. Can we discuss audit first? and whether it should be a condition to sim purchse?
[2008/06/28 10:07] Moon Adamant: what i would like to point out is
[2008/06/28 10:07] Beathan Vale: again -- I would rather address the audit as a separate issue - -not as a rider on sim financing
[2008/06/28 10:07] Moon Adamant: from our legislation, we have several times the money needed to expand
[2008/06/28 10:07] ThePrincess Parisi: supposedly
[2008/06/28 10:07] Moon Adamant: the RA is of course sovereign to ASK FOR THE AUDITS IT WANTS
[2008/06/28 10:08] Beathan Vale: (we have too many lawyers -- we need an accountant -- but do accountants bother with SL?)
[2008/06/28 10:08] Moon Adamant: but it should not delay the buying of a sim when there's money enough by our own laws to do it
[2008/06/28 10:08] Beathan Vale: I agree with Moon
[2008/06/28 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: mt and i both have degrees in accounting
[2008/06/28 10:08] Moon Adamant: really sorry for my typos, everyone
[2008/06/28 10:09] MT Lundquist: thats given it away
[2008/06/28 10:09] You: ...
[2008/06/28 10:09] You: May I ask all to speak only to the motion for now
[2008/06/28 10:09] You: Prin and MT have spoken for it, Beathan against
[2008/06/28 10:09] Beathan Vale: OK -- then we should set up a special RA committee -- of MT and TP -- to audit the accounts, they should be given full access to do so and full cooperation from the Executive, and report back findings at last session
[2008/06/28 10:09] You: Personally
[2008/06/28 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: no i dont wanna audit anything
[2008/06/28 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: not personally
[2008/06/28 10:10] Moon Adamant: dunno why.... if after all you're a specialist...
[2008/06/28 10:10] Sonja Strom: Are we worried that not enough money is in the accounts?
[2008/06/28 10:10] You: hmmm
[2008/06/28 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: we are concerned that there is no one "watching"
[2008/06/28 10:10] Moon Adamant: thus i say
[2008/06/28 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: we are trusting one person, though a saint, with too much
[2008/06/28 10:10] Moon Adamant: watch what you want
[2008/06/28 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: we are a farce
[2008/06/28 10:11] Bjerkel Eerie: "WE" who is "WE" princess?
[2008/06/28 10:11] Moon Adamant: but don't delay the spending of money when our laws permit the spending
[2008/06/28 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: we is .. CDS
[2008/06/28 10:11] You: I plan to vote against this motion, and if it fails, to make a new one AFTER FINISHING THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS about an audit
[2008/06/28 10:11] Symo Kurka: we get regular financial reports... how many of you read them???
[2008/06/28 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: symo these are never verified by outside parties
[2008/06/28 10:11] Sonja Strom: I used to, but they always seemed very accurate and honest to me.
[2008/06/28 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: who has seen the bank statement
[2008/06/28 10:12] You: and yes, Prin, if the RA fails to act in a careful civil manner to give oversight it is not doing its job :)
[2008/06/28 10:12] ThePrincess Parisi: vote
[2008/06/28 10:12] You: Is there any more discussion needed on Prin's motion? or are you ready to vote? (I am)
[2008/06/28 10:12] MT Lundquist: me too
[2008/06/28 10:12] Jamie Palisades looks around ..?
[2008/06/28 10:12] Beathan Vale: rdy
[2008/06/28 10:13] Sonja Strom: k
[2008/06/28 10:13] You: Motion is, as set out above, audit before sim purchase and other new expenses
[2008/06/28 10:13] You: Members please state your vote. I vote no
[2008/06/28 10:13] Beathan Vale: no
[2008/06/28 10:13] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/06/28 10:13] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/06/28 10:13] Sonja Strom: nay
[2008/06/28 10:14] You: Before jumping to conclusions - did Gwyn request a 7 day for this?
[2008/06/28 10:14] ThePrincess Parisi: she didnt ask me
[2008/06/28 10:14] Beathan Vale: I have to run -- problematic dogs ...
[2008/06/28 10:14] ThePrincess Parisi: bye bv
[2008/06/28 10:14] Beathan Vale: sorry
[2008/06/28 10:14] MT Lundquist: bye
[2008/06/28 10:14] Sonja Strom: ok, bye Beathan
[2008/06/28 10:14] Alexicon Kurka: bye beathan
[2008/06/28 10:15] You: Let's say, Motion fails 2-3-0 but *possible* subject to 7 day if Gwyneth requested it - have to check her posts.
[2008/06/28 10:15] Moon Adamant: bye Beathan :)
[2008/06/28 10:15] You: Ta BV
[2008/06/28 10:15] You: Are there are other motions about the sim purchase? or pricing
[2008/06/28 10:15] You: if not we can move on to item 2, Chancellor Q&A
[2008/06/28 10:15] Jamie Palisades looks around ...?
[2008/06/28 10:16] Moon Adamant: Jamie, sorry
[2008/06/28 10:16] You: ?
[2008/06/28 10:16] Moon Adamant: what is then decided about the issue?
[2008/06/28 10:16] You: yes Moon?
[2008/06/28 10:17] Moon Adamant: since I'll have to report too before the Guild tomorrow
[2008/06/28 10:17] You: RA has not acted. I have expressed my view that the Chancellor is free to act without us.
[2008/06/28 10:17] Moon Adamant: ok
[2008/06/28 10:17] You: Any more comments we want to pass along to Guild?
[2008/06/28 10:17] Symo Kurka: i kindly remind the RA that we've been under strong pressure on planning timing
[2008/06/28 10:17] Moon Adamant: then I will get in contact later with chancellor
[2008/06/28 10:17] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/06/28 10:17] Symo Kurka: and fully respected that
[2008/06/28 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: pressure to finish so no new citizens can be in before the election?
[2008/06/28 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/06/28 10:18] Symo Kurka: lol???
[2008/06/28 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: by csdf and sudane herself
[2008/06/28 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi has a conspiracy theory
[2008/06/28 10:18] Symo Kurka: ui move
[2008/06/28 10:18] Moon Adamant: that you have a conspiracy theory it's clear
[2008/06/28 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: we were stalled until it was too late now yu push us
[2008/06/28 10:19] Symo Kurka: we do not push anybody
[2008/06/28 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: k
[2008/06/28 10:19] Moon Adamant: the transcripts of RA and Guild do tell quite another story Princess
[2008/06/28 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/06/28 10:19] Moon Adamant: but of course, believe in what you want
[2008/06/28 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: the transcripts of three meetings to make a logo while the sims sat
[2008/06/28 10:19] Symo Kurka: and SAY what you want, we are used to it
[2008/06/28 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: or another one?
[2008/06/28 10:20] You: um for what it is worth, I do not believe any Sim 4 citizen could in any way vote in the next election -- and that this has been true for at least 3 weeks -- the RA's last reasonable chance to move Sim4 along in "time for" the elections was its 7 June meeting, at which some of us rejected the approval proposals :)
[2008/06/28 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: yes of course you are correct jamie
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[2008/06/28 10:20] You: agenda item 2 then
[2008/06/28 10:20] You: :)
[2008/06/28 10:21] You: Chancellor Question Time - and thanks for coming, Alexi
[2008/06/28 10:21] Moon Adamant: ok, thnk you all
[2008/06/28 10:21] Moon Adamant bows before the RA
[2008/06/28 10:21] You: Alexi, any comments you wish to make first?
[2008/06/28 10:21] You: (Thank you for coming Moon)
[2008/06/28 10:21] Alexicon Kurka: Well I can give you a short update on the webportal if you want
[2008/06/28 10:22] You: love to hear it
[2008/06/28 10:22] Alexicon Kurka: we have a main structure setup made by Arria and a first draft design made by Mizou
[2008/06/28 10:22] Alexicon Kurka: we started with the technical implementation as well
[2008/06/28 10:22] Alexicon Kurka: I do the tech work myself
[2008/06/28 10:23] Alexicon Kurka: there is still no definite hosting account as (the bottlneck) there is no RL person to sign an RL contract on behalf of the CDS
[2008/06/28 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: that is another reason we need to be an entity
[2008/06/28 10:24] Alexicon Kurka: to remove this obstacle and be able to deliver in my term I have provided a temporarily available account so that the results are visible soon
[2008/06/28 10:24] Alexicon Kurka: as soon as the hosting is arranged we can move everything there
[2008/06/28 10:25] Alexicon Kurka: I provide you here with the url
[2008/06/28 10:25] Alexicon Kurka: http://81.26.215.133/index.php?id=31
[2008/06/28 10:25] Alexicon Kurka: so you can check our status
[2008/06/28 10:25] Alexicon Kurka: content will be entered by Arria in July
[2008/06/28 10:26] Alexicon Kurka: design and templating will be finalised the coming two weeks
[2008/06/28 10:26] You: sounds good. Alex, I have two Qs about that.
[2008/06/28 10:26] Alexicon Kurka: yes plz
[2008/06/28 10:26] You: One is, will this be a replacement for all of the slcds.info ? or part of it?
[2008/06/28 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: its pretty
[2008/06/28 10:27] Alexicon Kurka: it is our understanding that as soon as the content is been transfered to the new environment the old sites will become obsolute
[2008/06/28 10:27] Alexicon Kurka: but that will be done in fases
[2008/06/28 10:27] Alexicon Kurka: so the forum and the wiki will be last
[2008/06/28 10:27] Alexicon Kurka: while general info first
[2008/06/28 10:27] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/06/28 10:28] You: hmm - there is a LOT of content on the forum bulletin boards
[2008/06/28 10:28] Alexicon Kurka: the portal provides sub-sites to each sim as well as a central information structure
[2008/06/28 10:28] Alexicon Kurka: We are looking for automatic parsing to fetch the forums
[2008/06/28 10:28] Alexicon Kurka: no retyping off course
[2008/06/28 10:29] Alexicon Kurka: but there is not a real reason to cease with the forum as it works well
[2008/06/28 10:29] You: do we have agreement from SC (who moderates) and Beta Technologies (who owns that domain), or is that needed?
[2008/06/28 10:29] Alexicon Kurka: it is the general information that is messy
[2008/06/28 10:29] Alexicon Kurka: no agreements with SC, I am in close contact with Gwyn (Beta)
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[2008/06/28 10:31] You: OK. Thanks. Second Q. You said "no person can be the
contract signer or domain owner" for CDS. Hmmm.
[2008/06/28 10:31] You: Does this mean you agree with Prin that we need to make a corporation or something like it?
[2008/06/28 10:31] Alexicon Kurka: yes it is a really bottleneck on more fronts
[2008/06/28 10:31] Alexicon Kurka: I think we are more a non profit
[2008/06/28 10:32] Alexicon Kurka: but I agree we need an RL entity
[2008/06/28 10:32] MT Lundquist: i agree
[2008/06/28 10:32] You: hm - ok that is helpful to know
[2008/06/28 10:32] You: any more chat on that point maybe? For now?
[2008/06/28 10:33] Bjerkel Eerie: is anyone going to be wiling to meet in the legally required manner to do the legal business of a NFP or a Corporation???
[2008/06/28 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: i hope.. boards and such
[2008/06/28 10:33] Alexicon Kurka: do you mean meeting physically rl?
[2008/06/28 10:34] Bjerkel Eerie: who is going to pay the travel expenses of meeting
[2008/06/28 10:34] You: How do we move forward on exploring this?
[2008/06/28 10:34] Sonja Strom: TP, are you hosting us in RL?
[2008/06/28 10:34] Alexicon Kurka: I do a lot of legal business all around the world without seeing the persons at all
[2008/06/28 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: its not required, many sl things are
[2008/06/28 10:34] Alexicon Kurka: and I am a tiny organisation
[2008/06/28 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: exactly alexicon
[2008/06/28 10:34] You: Bj, there are some structures that require phys meetings, and some do not :)
[2008/06/28 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: we need a commission or somthing
[2008/06/28 10:34] Bjerkel Eerie: how many boards do you serve on
[2008/06/28 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: bj are you saying its not possible?
[2008/06/28 10:36] You: Prin, I think you are right. If Alex has no objection, maybe we can do a quick motion to create a commission of say 2 months duration? I'd be happy to chair that
[2008/06/28 10:36] Alexicon Kurka: no objections
[2008/06/28 10:36] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/06/28 10:36] You: :) what do the RA members think?
[2008/06/28 10:36] Bjerkel Eerie: nope just that the cost of creating a rl corporation for profit or NFP will in the end be move time consuming and costly than buying a new sim
[2008/06/28 10:37] Bjerkel Eerie: more time...
[2008/06/28 10:37] You: Fair point BJ - so we will need to confirm that
[2008/06/28 10:37] ThePrincess Parisi: we have to look at long term
[2008/06/28 10:37] You: *may* be worth the bother, or not.
[2008/06/28 10:37] ThePrincess Parisi: and what is good for the future not just immediate needs
[2008/06/28 10:37] You: So we'll see.
[2008/06/28 10:38] Alexicon Kurka: I agree BJ, I intend to approve moving on with the next sim, by the way just as we are now :) But we have to look at the future indeed
[2008/06/28 10:38] ThePrincess Parisi: i hope you will be on the committee
[2008/06/28 10:38] ThePrincess Parisi: we need you
[2008/06/28 10:38] You: Motion and second to create a commission to report to RA by, let's say, Sept 1, with me as chair, and usual open membership rules, on "CDS need for corporate structuire if any"
[2008/06/28 10:38] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/06/28 10:38] You: I'd like to see Bjerkel there too :)
[2008/06/28 10:38] You: Ready for a vote? I suspect so and vote yes
[2008/06/28 10:39] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/06/28 10:39] You: MT? Sonja? Vote on 'possible corporation' commission?
[2008/06/28 10:39] Sonja Strom: nay
[2008/06/28 10:39] ThePrincess Parisi: mt votes aye
[2008/06/28 10:39] ThePrincess Parisi: hes afk
[2008/06/28 10:39] ThePrincess Parisi: why sonja?
[2008/06/28 10:39] Sonja Strom: I don't think it is needed.
[2008/06/28 10:40] Bjerkel Eerie: you cant vote for MT PP!
[2008/06/28 10:40] ThePrincess Parisi: i know
[2008/06/28 10:40] You: DPU have any views they wish to express? As you've been silent
[2008/06/28 10:40] You: I will wait a moment for MT. Will give Sonja a chance to comment if she wishes, before he votes :)
[2008/06/28 10:40] ThePrincess Parisi: i have talked to fr and dnate and they are for it
[2008/06/28 10:40] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/06/28 10:41] Sonja Strom: I am not in a position to speak for the faction really, but my personal view, and as a member of the RA, is that this conversation is a bit out of place, and getting ahead of the actual situation at hand.
[2008/06/28 10:41] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja doesnt understand the motion
[2008/06/28 10:41] Sonja Strom: thanks
[2008/06/28 10:41] You: I note the motion passed 3-1-0, but let's hear Sonja's comments if she has more, hm?
[2008/06/28 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: it is simply to have a commission to discuss the need for CDS to become a legal entity at some point
[2008/06/28 10:42] You: (and Sonja we only are voting to research it, not to do it yet)
[2008/06/28 10:42] Sonja Strom: I think we can do that, but this is not the time for it.
[2008/06/28 10:42] Sonja Strom: We have other things that we are working on (or should be) that are unfinished.
[2008/06/28 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: like what
[2008/06/28 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: im worried
[2008/06/28 10:43] You: ah :) Sonja, I suggested a time rule that will bring it to the next RA for them to handle it as they see fit :)
[2008/06/28 10:43] Sonja Strom: ok, you can do what you want, but you asked what my view was.
[2008/06/28 10:44] Sonja Strom: I think a new commission for this subject is not necessary at this point.
[2008/06/28 10:44] Sonja Strom: If we want information, we can just have someone look into it and make a report.
[2008/06/28 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: thats what a commission is
[2008/06/28 10:45] Jamie Palisades nods - we have too many, I agree :) I will see if I can make this one work a little better than some of the others I have seen. But I appreciate your constructive criticism, Sonja.
[2008/06/28 10:45] Alexicon Kurka: so what else do you want to know from the chancellor?
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[2008/06/28 10:41] You: I note the motion passed 3-1-0, but let's hear Sonja's comments if she has more, hm?
[2008/06/28 10:45] You: Q&A for Alexicon?
[2008/06/28 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: wheres my money for the guided tour
[2008/06/28 10:45] MT Lundquist: perhaps you could be more direct prin
[2008/06/28 10:46] Alexicon Kurka: last time we talked we agreed that it would be better to let it bought directly by Sudane or Aleasi (
[2008/06/28 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/06/28 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: thats insane
[2008/06/28 10:46] Alexicon Kurka: as I didn't hear anything from you I supposed it was fixed
[2008/06/28 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/06/28 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: what ever
[2008/06/28 10:46] Alexicon Kurka: please
[2008/06/28 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: you didnt hear anything from me? or anyone else about this
[2008/06/28 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: and why in gods name would sudane, who is supposed to be only a puppet or something, own our tour
[2008/06/28 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: but your decision not to give me the money the RA authorized stands i suppose
[2008/06/28 10:47] Alexicon Kurka: as it concerns collective property, we agreed that it is better to treat it like that, and let either the archivist or the estate manager to own it
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: did you give them the money?
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: and direct them to buy it
[2008/06/28 10:48] Bjerkel Eerie: how much money is at issue here?
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: or what i was supposed to do that?
[2008/06/28 10:48] Alexicon Kurka: yes
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: a measly 7k that i make in half the day
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: i
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: i was supposed to tell aliasi to buy something
[2008/06/28 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: and how was i supposed to get the money to them?
[2008/06/28 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: the RA directed me to purchase it
[2008/06/28 10:49] Alexicon Kurka: it's your project I only facilitate you, I am really sorry it not done yet. Sudane HAS the money
[2008/06/28 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: it was in the budget, fine if i dont do it,
[2008/06/28 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: but if you change the RAs vote
[2008/06/28 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: which you did
[2008/06/28 10:49] You: OK, Sister Prin, let's stay polite - but I have to agree, as I thought this request was made a loooooong time ago. Alexicon, I was told by Sudane that she never heard that you authorized Prin's reimbursement. So we have passed a motion here to ask you to officially approve or reject it by next Saturday. (This was before you came, this morning.)
[2008/06/28 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: then you need to fix it
[2008/06/28 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: it was jamie, i am just so fricken confused
[2008/06/28 10:50] You: agreed Prin
[2008/06/28 10:50] ThePrincess Parisi: I don't really care it's just a total joke
[2008/06/28 10:50] You: Alex, to be specfic: have you been asked to reimburse this?
[2008/06/28 10:50] ThePrincess Parisi: so the RA approved a budget item, i am told aliasi should buy it not who the RA said, and then its up to me to direct a person to money
[2008/06/28 10:50] Alexicon Kurka: OK to be clear: I will ask Sudane to buy whatever TP ask her, right?
[2008/06/28 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: Alexicon Kurka: last time we talked we agreed that it would be better to let it bought directly by Sudane or Aliasi
[2008/06/28 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: the point is simply we have no process that anyone seems to understand who needs to
[2008/06/28 10:51] You: Hmm, well, if she already has bought it -- I guess you have to buy it ... from Prin, yes?
[2008/06/28 10:51] Alexicon Kurka: I did mention the subject to Sudane, though I never gave her any explicit orders
[2008/06/28 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: who has to buy it?
[2008/06/28 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: and how does he override our vote?
[2008/06/28 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: can he do that
[2008/06/28 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont care if he can?
[2008/06/28 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: i am just curious
[2008/06/28 10:52] You: well that's a good Q prin
[2008/06/28 10:52] You: here is what I think is the case
[2008/06/28 10:53] You: CDS law gives the chancellor a heck of a lot of power
[2008/06/28 10:53] You: and the RA has not chosen to constrain it much
[2008/06/28 10:53] You: and this includes any process for approving expenditures :)
[2008/06/28 10:54] You: that's why I asked for a presentation from Sudane a few weeks ago on how expenses actualy work: [see] http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1921
[2008/06/28 10:54] You: any other questions on this item?
[2008/06/28 10:54] ThePrincess Parisi: well the process is either really bad, or not circulated
[2008/06/28 10:54] You: :) I entirely agree
[2008/06/28 10:54] Alexicon Kurka: ;)
[2008/06/28 10:54] MT Lundquist: bj you dont have to stand in the corner
[2008/06/28 10:55] You: Other Qs?
[2008/06/28 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: in my face and ill eject you
[2008/06/28 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi tickles bj
[2008/06/28 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: what are you doing?
[2008/06/28 10:56] ThePrincess Parisi: get in
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[2008/06/28 10:57] Alexicon Kurka: I have a question myself: what is the status of the commerce committee?
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