RA Meeting 05 July 2008 - Transcript

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RA Meeting 05 July 2008 - Transcript

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See http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 567#p11567 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
Transcript of 5 July 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Colonia Nova Praetorium
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items
[2008/07/05 9:01] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Caledon%20R ... 111/132/22
[2008/07/05 9:02] MT Lundquist: hi jamie
[2008/07/05 9:02] You: Good morning Toga King
[2008/07/05 9:02] MT Lundquist: lol yes
[2008/07/05 9:02] MT Lundquist: hang on
[2008/07/05 9:02] You: I;m not really expecting a quorum by the way :) but Prin did ask me to try
[2008/07/05 9:03] MT Lundquist: yes she said to me
[2008/07/05 9:03] You: hah - don't strain anything inviting more people
[2008/07/05 9:03] You: I'll be real happy for 10 mins then logoff
[2008/07/05 9:03] You: also - most of the rest are not online
[2008/07/05 9:03] MT Lundquist: do you want prin to login
[2008/07/05 9:03] You: let's see
[2008/07/05 9:03] MT Lundquist: i'm on the phone to her
[2008/07/05 9:03] You: off = BV, Sonja, Gwyn ...
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: no need I think - but tell her thanks
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: we got nothign that HAS to move this week anyway
[2008/07/05 9:04] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: Roc's offline too
[2008/07/05 9:04] MT Lundquist: gwyn
[2008/07/05 9:04] MT Lundquist: ?
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: ah JUST arrived
[2008/07/05 9:04] MT Lundquist: on radar
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: but let's see :)
[2008/07/05 9:04] MT Lundquist: hi gwyn
[2008/07/05 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi, sorry!!
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: Hi social democrat
[2008/07/05 9:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Jamie
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: n p at all
[2008/07/05 9:04] You: in fact we're just discussing calling it a holiday
[2008/07/05 9:05] MT Lundquist: prins logging in
[2008/07/05 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we're just 5 minutes after the hour :D
[2008/07/05 9:05] You: sonja, FR and BV are offline
[2008/07/05 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: For now... :)
[2008/07/05 9:05] You: but yes we can do with four if there's business to conduct, smile
[2008/07/05 9:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You've got an agenda posted, so.... :)
[2008/07/05 9:05] You: hmnoutfit for you flower girl
[2008/07/05 9:06] You: new one
[2008/07/05 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh... no, that's an old one ;)
[2008/07/05 9:06] You: oh by the way speaking of your fashion victim rep, did you see that Soleil scooped all your oldies but goodies at the auction?
[2008/07/05 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: two and a half years old... i think the designer already left SL :D
[2008/07/05 9:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh!... No, I didn't notice that :-D
[2008/07/05 9:07] You: well I am always grateful on artistic principles to see any attempt at asymmetry in clothes
[2008/07/05 9:07] MT Lundquist: oh i do asymetry in togas
[2008/07/05 9:07] MT Lundquist: lol
[2008/07/05 9:07] MT Lundquist: sometimes intentionally
[2008/07/05 9:07] You: strike a blow for variety!
[2008/07/05 9:07] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/07/05 9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha well
[2008/07/05 9:08] MT Lundquist: strange the more skin pixels uncovered the better they sell
[2008/07/05 9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My fashion newsletter told me that this summer, assymetry is "in" again,
[2008/07/05 9:08] You: hm really? Maybe that's just a toga thing though
[2008/07/05 9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so I looked through my old outfits... :)
[2008/07/05 9:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe MT -- just like iRL!
[2008/07/05 9:08] You: ah well, i do not think I subscribe to those, grin
[2008/07/05 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The less fabric, the more expensive the outfit!!
[2008/07/05 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn never understood the logic of that one
[2008/07/05 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then again, why should it have any logic??
[2008/07/05 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/07/05 9:10] MT Lundquist: yes i guess thats the way
[2008/07/05 9:11] Jamie Palisades smiles placidly
[2008/07/05 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles as well and waits...
[2008/07/05 9:11] You: Nice of you both to come, but I think at 15 after the hour, I may go start my holiday BBQ preparations
[2008/07/05 9:11] You: by the way
[2008/07/05 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's fine for me, but...
[2008/07/05 9:12] You: Arria asked me to set up a RA election debate again, as she's running and I'm not
[2008/07/05 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... wasn't the holiday *yesterday*? :D
[2008/07/05 9:12] You: so I will get a message around to the factions & candidates
[2008/07/05 9:12] You: :)
[2008/07/05 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I've heard she got permissions from Alex to do the debate and all
[2008/07/05 9:12] MT Lundquist: hi bromo
[2008/07/05 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhh
[2008/07/05 9:12] MT Lundquist: hi lve
[2008/07/05 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin arrives at the same time as Bromo!
[2008/07/05 9:12] You: Hi Bromo
[2008/07/05 9:12] Bromo Ivory: Hi Guys
[2008/07/05 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi both :)
[2008/07/05 9:13] Bromo Ivory: Hi Gwyn - I suppose this dispells the rumors we are alts
[2008/07/05 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: is he my alt?
[2008/07/05 9:13] You: oh? Hi Prin
[2008/07/05 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bromo: indeed :)
[2008/07/05 9:13] You: Yikes not in all white I hope
[2008/07/05 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha I think not!...
[2008/07/05 9:13] MT Lundquist: whose alt am i then
[2008/07/05 9:13] You: Quick question you lot
[2008/07/05 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What do you have against white????
[2008/07/05 9:13] Bromo Ivory: LOL
[2008/07/05 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: see how can you tpqt the same time
[2008/07/05 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: the cape is the latest addition to the collection
[2008/07/05 9:13] You: :) MT you are special, you can be my alt too if you like
[2008/07/05 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: ill sell you one
[2008/07/05 9:13] You: "I am legion .. i contain multitudes"
[2008/07/05 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: where are all my alts
[2008/07/05 9:13] Bromo Ivory: No - everyone in this room is my alt
[2008/07/05 9:13] MT Lundquist: thanks jamie
[2008/07/05 9:13] MT Lundquist: oh yes i forgot i'm bromo
[2008/07/05 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I might be...
[2008/07/05 9:14] Bromo Ivory: And you better not forget it, Mister
[2008/07/05 9:14] You: that's a nice statement of the solipsist view, Bromo
[2008/07/05 9:14] ThePrincess Parisi: whewre the fuck is my throne
[2008/07/05 9:14] Bromo Ivory: Oh yes Gwyn, you are, too
[2008/07/05 9:14] Jamie Palisades grins and points to the chairs
[2008/07/05 9:14] Bromo Ivory: My alt would never say the f-word
[2008/07/05 9:14] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/05 9:14] ThePrincess Parisi: i was just kidding
[2008/07/05 9:14] MT Lundquist: so maybe we are all prins
[2008/07/05 9:14] You: so kids
[2008/07/05 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is a throne in NFS ;)
[2008/07/05 9:14] You: we got any actual business today?
[2008/07/05 9:15] DivineLolita Demonia: Heya
[2008/07/05 9:15] You: (I do not think I knew that, Gwyn) - where?
[2008/07/05 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: i still dont have the damn money for the guided tour
[2008/07/05 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine until 11:30 :D
[2008/07/05 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: and i want an audit
[2008/07/05 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: jamie, in the Schloss!
[2008/07/05 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: thats all i have
[2008/07/05 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: so bromo
[2008/07/05 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello, Divine!
[2008/07/05 9:15] ThePrincess Parisi: bromo did you plan to take my seat today
[2008/07/05 9:15] MT Lundquist: hi devine
[2008/07/05 9:15] DivineLolita Demonia: are you all governing today? giggles
[2008/07/05 9:16] Bromo Ivory: Why would I?
[2008/07/05 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We're looking for a quorum ;)
[2008/07/05 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: we have one
[2008/07/05 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think we have one :)
[2008/07/05 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :)
[2008/07/05 9:16] Bromo Ivory looks under seat for that little beast
[2008/07/05 9:16] MT Lundquist: although jamie seems quiet
[2008/07/05 9:16] DivineLolita Demonia: frowns.. a quorum? looks in her little hand bag.. Nope I dont have one sorry..
[2008/07/05 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: He's.... meditating
[2008/07/05 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "ommm"
[2008/07/05 9:16] Bromo Ivory eeps.
[2008/07/05 9:17] MT Lundquist: narcalepsy
[2008/07/05 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/05 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: poor Jamie
[2008/07/05 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry im texturing
[2008/07/05 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: narolepsy
[2008/07/05 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's too early for him I guess...
[2008/07/05 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: how do i look
[2008/07/05 9:17] MT Lundquist: regal
[2008/07/05 9:17] MT Lundquist: lol
[2008/07/05 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you
[2008/07/05 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: the new cape is ok ?
[2008/07/05 9:17] DivineLolita Demonia: Slightly Irrevarant? giggles
[2008/07/05 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: who is she?
[2008/07/05 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi points to devine
[2008/07/05 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: like a princess in a fantasy movie :)
[2008/07/05 9:18] You: narco indeed :)
[2008/07/05 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, she was here before!
[2008/07/05 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: when
[2008/07/05 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh a month or so ago?
[2008/07/05 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont remember her
[2008/07/05 9:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't remember exactly, Divine
[2008/07/05 9:18] You: I didn't want a meeting myself - too much going on today - but our New Concept for LRAs is to be a servant leader :) so I am trying to model a set of behaviors here
[2008/07/05 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: what do you want us to do jamie
[2008/07/05 9:19] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/07/05 9:19] You: Hello again Loli!
[2008/07/05 9:19] DivineLolita Demonia: oh 'im just here to watch if u dont mind ... if i'm intruding i can go...
[2008/07/05 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're very welcome, Divine!
[2008/07/05 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: symo is our decorator
[2008/07/05 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: did we approve that
[2008/07/05 9:19] Bromo Ivory thinks Jamie introducing BDSM concepts to RA might be a little tough for some to adjust to
[2008/07/05 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Bromo
[2008/07/05 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: jamies a perv
[2008/07/05 9:19] You: well here's the Q :)
[2008/07/05 9:19] You: Prin, MT, Gwyn, do any of you have business you wish to conduct today? (If you say yes let's convene quickly and do it. If not let's not.)
[2008/07/05 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: i said i do
[2008/07/05 9:19] You: OK :)
[2008/07/05 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, I'd say, let's follow the agenda
[2008/07/05 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and I second prin's points too
[2008/07/05 9:19] MT Lundquist: well i wore latex last week
[2008/07/05 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha MT!
[2008/07/05 9:19] You: DLolita? No prob at all it's an open meeting
[2008/07/05 9:19] Bromo Ivory: But Gwyn - its hidden as usual
[2008/07/05 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn reminds herself to get some PVC next Saturday
[2008/07/05 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: you got that right jamie
[2008/07/05 9:20] You: next saturday?
[2008/07/05 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: what happens then?
[2008/07/05 9:20] You: what, are we having CDS latex week or something? siiiigh
[2008/07/05 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: naked nucare
[2008/07/05 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: i think thats their slogan
[2008/07/05 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/07/05 9:20] MT Lundquist: bare nucare
[2008/07/05 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: NuBare?
[2008/07/05 9:20] You: Quick run though the admin items then :)
[2008/07/05 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: texture my box
[2008/07/05 9:21] You: let's come to order
[2008/07/05 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: that sounds dirty
[2008/07/05 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: wait
[2008/07/05 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: dont make me be in order
[2008/07/05 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye aye cap'n Palisades!
[2008/07/05 9:21] You: Prin can make salacious offers later :)
[2008/07/05 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: i wanna show you
[2008/07/05 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: omg Prin
[2008/07/05 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/07/05 9:21] You: and MT can texture his box at his leisure
[2008/07/05 9:21] MT Lundquist: notice its me who gets to be naked
[2008/07/05 9:21] MT Lundquist: lol
[2008/07/05 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: they are reuining our faction
[2008/07/05 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha MT yes
[2008/07/05 9:21] You: so this is what? a new microtoga?
[2008/07/05 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nice tats ;)
[2008/07/05 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/05 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh
[2008/07/05 9:22] MT Lundquist: yes very small
[2008/07/05 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Microtoga, right...
[2008/07/05 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: then they have this
[2008/07/05 9:22] You: if it's infinitely small, MT, can you charge an infinite price??
[2008/07/05 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
[2008/07/05 9:22] MT Lundquist: true
[2008/07/05 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh that one is nice too, who took the picture?
[2008/07/05 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: its pathetic how they have made a mockery of all my work
[2008/07/05 9:22] MT Lundquist: of course i could attend ra dressed like that
[2008/07/05 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay :)
[2008/07/05 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn has no objection :)
[2008/07/05 9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/05 9:23] You: weqll it's good to know your platform :)
[2008/07/05 9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What rumours are true? ;)
[2008/07/05 9:23] You: can we lose it for now please?
[2008/07/05 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: look at her butt
[2008/07/05 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: ok ok
[2008/07/05 9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I did
[2008/07/05 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: rose thinks shes my alt
[2008/07/05 9:23] You: OK :)
[2008/07/05 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sure she thinks that ;)
[2008/07/05 9:23] You: Please assent to recording - I Assent
[2008/07/05 9:23] MT Lundquist: i assent
[2008/07/05 9:24] You: That's 1a :)
[2008/07/05 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I assent as well...
[2008/07/05 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: i assend
[2008/07/05 9:24] Bromo Ivory: I assent
[2008/07/05 9:24] You: 1b - any changes to agenda? it is short, an at :
[2008/07/05 9:24] You: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 530#p11530
[2008/07/05 9:24] MT Lundquist: do you have the link to the agenda please
[2008/07/05 9:24] You: while you are looking
[2008/07/05 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin has suggested a few points, and I've seconded those
[2008/07/05 9:24] You: 1c - I see no one else who plans to speak today other than RA members?
[2008/07/05 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you gyweneth llewellen
[2008/07/05 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Moon apologises, but she can't come in-world today to give any reports from the Guild; I don't know if there are any other Guild members available
[2008/07/05 9:25] You: hm - Prin could you restate those? what additions to agenda?
[2008/07/05 9:25] You: (No need Gwyn)
[2008/07/05 9:25] You: and while we are waiting, also, 1d:
[2008/07/05 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ThePrincess Parisi: i still donet have the damn money for the guided tour | and I want an audit
[2008/07/05 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 9:25] You: Please send me any corrections to the poted transcripts.
[2008/07/05 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/05 9:26] You: ah the reimb :) that's on the agenda as 1f
[2008/07/05 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Basically, verifying why the Executive is not paying for events that have been budgeted and approved for!
[2008/07/05 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah
[2008/07/05 9:26] You: and let's add audit after ite 2 hmn?
[2008/07/05 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry — you're so right
[2008/07/05 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok.
[2008/07/05 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: what else do we have left hanging
[2008/07/05 9:26] You: those two items only, then, Prin? Both added :)
[2008/07/05 9:26] You: added
[2008/07/05 9:27] You: 1e
[2008/07/05 9:27] You: we plan to meet on the 12th, 19th and 26th June
[2008/07/05 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *July
[2008/07/05 9:27] You: then new RA is seated
[2008/07/05 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: what else is on the agenda.. i am concerned the election rules committee didnt ever bring anything
[2008/07/05 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: whoops
[2008/07/05 9:27] You: ha ha quit right thanks Gwyn, 12-19-26 July
[2008/07/05 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles :)
[2008/07/05 9:27] You: that's on agenda under item 3 Prin
[2008/07/05 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 9:28] You: so 1f :)
[2008/07/05 9:28] You: consent
[2008/07/05 9:28] You: and I have a proposed item
[2008/07/05 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn wonders why the wall behind Bromo and MT is missing
[2008/07/05 9:28] You: Last week we asked our chancellor to act on the outstanding reimb requests to Prin
[2008/07/05 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: he said he would
[2008/07/05 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Jamie
[2008/07/05 9:28] MT Lundquist: its not
[2008/07/05 9:28] Bromo Ivory thinks its a plot by Michel
[2008/07/05 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (ah, good to know, MT)
[2008/07/05 9:28] You: and give us an answer within a week
[2008/07/05 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A week is now over.
[2008/07/05 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/07/05 9:29] You: (And Michel's my alt, just to be clear about that)
[2008/07/05 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: i have no clue but to make me look like a idiot
[2008/07/05 9:29] You: (however)
[2008/07/05 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: michels alt is my otheroalt
[2008/07/05 9:29] You: (I Will NOT tattoo his name on my butt. Sorry.)
[2008/07/05 9:29] You: so
[2008/07/05 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
[2008/07/05 9:30] You: would any RA member like to take further action regarding the lack of answer? I know of no response.
[2008/07/05 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: what do we do ?
[2008/07/05 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the only option we have is to kick out the Chancellor really...
[2008/07/05 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: shall we call him and hang him by his toes
[2008/07/05 9:30] You: Per last week our options are - ask Sudane, Ask Alex again, impeach
[2008/07/05 9:30] DivineLolita Demonia: is he an alt too? gigggles
[2008/07/05 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope not :D
[2008/07/05 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: well.......... i think we should threaten empeachment.. one last chance and we go for it
[2008/07/05 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: stall the election
[2008/07/05 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well... this is serious actually
[2008/07/05 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Chancellor cannot ignore us...
[2008/07/05 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's a terrible precedent
[2008/07/05 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: it is, and its not about me.. but it is a pattern of mismanagement of funds in s CDS as whole
[2008/07/05 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, one thing at the time.One was a clear request
[2008/07/05 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: which was ignored
[2008/07/05 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: it should include an audit though....
[2008/07/05 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: and we need an explanation .. for all we know he asked sudane for money and he said no
[2008/07/05 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: As much as I love Alex personally, I'd give him a few days to fully explain why he didn't comply with our request, and then threaten removal from office (and yes, this is a motion!)
[2008/07/05 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/07/05 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Who said no, Sudane?
[2008/07/05 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: let him explain..
[2008/07/05 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: well, gwyeneth, maybe its sudane not alexicon quite possibly
[2008/07/05 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: who is the one stalling
[2008/07/05 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: i have reason to believe sudane has issues with money
[2008/07/05 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: so lets have alexicon explain
[2008/07/05 9:33] Bromo Ivory glares at Prin
[2008/07/05 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. So we have to figure that out, and I'd say that the first step is to ask the Chancellor, since he heads the Executive
[2008/07/05 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/07/05 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If he doesn't answer, we threaten with removal from office...
[2008/07/05 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: so where is he?
[2008/07/05 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If he answers but we don't like the answer :) ... then I'd say we'll discuss it on the next RA on the 12th
[2008/07/05 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: gywneth you told me that sudane takes a profit.. out of CDS.. how does that happen.. and where is it recorded?
[2008/07/05 9:35] You: hmmm
[2008/07/05 9:35] Bromo Ivory looks at Prin asking her to be quiet (in IM)
[2008/07/05 9:35] You: might not wan tto get into that just yet - let's deal with the chancelor issue first, hm?
[2008/07/05 9:35] You: Taking Gwyn's lead ...
[2008/07/05 9:35] MT Lundquist: its important to understand where the money goes though
[2008/07/05 9:36] You: anyone wish to move to remind the Chancellor of his promise to resolve the request within a week, and notify him that we will consider his removal at our next meeting if there is no reply?
[2008/07/05 9:36] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/07/05 9:36] You: I agree it's a strong move - but well :) if that's the ony option we have, you can do that
[2008/07/05 9:37] You: and I agre the rest is important too MT, just want to get this bit resolved first
[2008/07/05 9:37] Bromo Ivory: Given the term is over shortly ... and Alex won't be Chancellor ....
[2008/07/05 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: of course if he was from another faction it would be political
[2008/07/05 9:37] You: (Note if I can take that as Prin's motion it does NOT require him to PAY just to ANSWER)
[2008/07/05 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: so if sudane takes a profit from CDS like gwyen said, then all of CDS is a total joke and not what we areled to believe right?
[2008/07/05 9:37] You: (and if that was a motion I need a second)
[2008/07/05 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: agreed.. just to
[2008/07/05 9:39] You: hm I guess we could let it die for lack of a second? MT? Gwyn?
[2008/07/05 9:39] You: She's asleep :)
[2008/07/05 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: who?
[2008/07/05 9:39] You: this is your chance to sit in Gwyn's lap Prin
[2008/07/05 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: id rather puke
[2008/07/05 9:39] Bromo Ivory starts selling tickets
[2008/07/05 9:39] You: seee how often THAT occurs
[2008/07/05 9:40] MT Lundquist: lol
[2008/07/05 9:40] ThePrincess Parisi: dont you know she kinda makes me ill
[2008/07/05 9:40] You: tsk :) let's be polite in meetings, within reason
[2008/07/05 9:40] ThePrincess Parisi: polite?.. regurgitate is that better
[2008/07/05 9:40] MT Lundquist: alex is on
[2008/07/05 9:40] You: no second then?
[2008/07/05 9:40] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/07/05 9:40] ThePrincess Parisi: ill second it
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: :) uou made the motion
[2008/07/05 9:41] ThePrincess Parisi: well..
[2008/07/05 9:41] MT Lundquist: second
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: there we go
[2008/07/05 9:41] ThePrincess Parisi: ok i thought i had two votes
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: any disussion?
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: :)
[2008/07/05 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn apologises and is back again
[2008/07/05 9:41] ThePrincess Parisi: dont read back , its fine.
[2008/07/05 9:41] MT Lundquist: we quickly jump out of gwyns lap
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: motion in chat above, bascially a reminder and a hint of possible removal if there's no answer
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: *reminder
[2008/07/05 9:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure
[2008/07/05 9:41] You: any more discussion?
[2008/07/05 9:42] You: ready to vote? Seems so
[2008/07/05 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: no
[2008/07/05 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: alexicon turned up
[2008/07/05 9:42] You: All in favor of the motion plase say aye.
[2008/07/05 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye
[2008/07/05 9:42] You: oh - we shoud stop?
[2008/07/05 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: nay
[2008/07/05 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: well hes not answering IMs
[2008/07/05 9:42] You: it's your motion :)
[2008/07/05 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/05 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn sees Alex
[2008/07/05 9:42] MT Lundquist: nay
[2008/07/05 9:42] You: I suggest we withdraw the vote and start over
[2008/07/05 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: hes here!
[2008/07/05 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree, well, if Alex is here, he can answer directly :D
[2008/07/05 9:43] MT Lundquist: hi alex
[2008/07/05 9:43] You: Ahh Alex
[2008/07/05 9:43] Alexicon Kurka: hi all
[2008/07/05 9:43] DivineLolita Demonia: yey! another alt! giggles
[2008/07/05 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: for the sake of "defending my honour", Prin claims that I've said that: "ThePrincess Parisi: so if sudane takes a profit from CDS like gwyen said, then all of CDS is a total joke and not what we areled to believe right" — I actually said the total opposite, Sudane is NOT taking a 'profit' from the CDS :P
[2008/07/05 9:43] You: Thanks for dropping in, we were just considering asking you to answer our question last week or trying to remove you next week - which I suppose would be a favor to you ...
[2008/07/05 9:43] You: :)
[2008/07/05 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: oh excuse me
[2008/07/05 9:44] You: Alexi can you let us know if you approved or denied Prin's requests for reimbursement from last week?
[2008/07/05 9:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie, well put :)
[2008/07/05 9:44] MT Lundquist: m
[2008/07/05 9:44] MT Lundquist is seeing double
[2008/07/05 9:44] MT Lundquist: there are many prins
[2008/07/05 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: you wish
[2008/07/05 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: no one but you does
[2008/07/05 9:44] Bromo Ivory: Oh no not another one
[2008/07/05 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i didnt know you can do that
[2008/07/05 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: put your cursor on the chair and left click
[2008/07/05 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* it works if the chair is programmed that way
[2008/07/05 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Alex left?
[2008/07/05 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/05 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: why did he leave
[2008/07/05 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/07/05 9:46] Free Radar HUD v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets
[2008/07/05 9:46] ThePrincess Parisi: omg .. ok you said no one BUT sudane would do that for no profit thts right
[2008/07/05 9:46] ThePrincess Parisi: i stand corrected
[2008/07/05 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, I see his hair again!
[2008/07/05 9:46] Alexicon Kurka: sorry I crashed
[2008/07/05 9:46] ThePrincess Parisi: welcome back
[2008/07/05 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb :)
[2008/07/05 9:46] MT Lundquist: wb
[2008/07/05 9:46] Alexicon Kurka: :)
[2008/07/05 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: did you get the RA's question. Alex? :)
[2008/07/05 9:47] Alexicon Kurka: so you had a lot of questions for me
[2008/07/05 9:47] MT Lundquist: we were just finding the most comfy chair
[2008/07/05 9:47] Alexicon Kurka: you want me to give up the chaNCELORSHIP A FEW WEEKS EARLIER?
[2008/07/05 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: nooooo
[2008/07/05 9:47] ThePrincess Parisi: noooooooooooo
[2008/07/05 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/05 9:47] ThePrincess Parisi: just answer the question
[2008/07/05 9:48] Alexicon Kurka: what was the question?
[2008/07/05 9:48] Alexicon Kurka: about reimbushment for thePrincess?
[2008/07/05 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: [9:44] Jamie Palisades: Alexi can you let us know if you approved or denied Prin's requests for reimbursement from last week?
[2008/07/05 9:48] ThePrincess Parisi holds out her right hand plalm up and points to the empty hand
[2008/07/05 9:48] Alexicon Kurka: I did talk with Sudane this week about it. She would discuss with Gwyn about the transfer problems.
[2008/07/05 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: GWYEN?
[2008/07/05 9:49] Alexicon Kurka: I asked thePrincess to still look for a tranferable gadget
[2008/07/05 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: she has to talk with gwyen?
[2008/07/05 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Transfer problems??
[2008/07/05 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[2008/07/05 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: you did NOT
[2008/07/05 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: when did you ask me that?
[2008/07/05 9:49] Alexicon Kurka: I IMed you
[2008/07/05 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) What transfer problems? and 2) What do *I* have to do with it? :)
[2008/07/05 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: my IMs are capped every day cos of my business
[2008/07/05 9:49] You: ?
[2008/07/05 9:49] Alexicon Kurka: the tour version thePrincess wants to buy is no transfer
[2008/07/05 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: my porofile said that
[2008/07/05 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah
[2008/07/05 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: profile.. and i have no clue if its transfer or not
[2008/07/05 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so? I'm not a Linden, I cannot change permissions on other people's objects :))
[2008/07/05 9:50] You: Alexi I thought she did buy it already - no Prin?
[2008/07/05 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: and I DONT WANNA BUY IT
[2008/07/05 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: this is not about me!
[2008/07/05 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: it was approved by the rA as a budget idtem
[2008/07/05 9:50] You: (ha ha Gwyn can they do that?)
[2008/07/05 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: exactly.
[2008/07/05 9:50] Alexicon Kurka: also the other idea of having Sudane buy it would not work after all
[2008/07/05 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes, Jamie)
[2008/07/05 9:50] You: prin dear - do you have one in your inventory that CDS can use, or not?
[2008/07/05 9:51] You: ithat data will resolve Alexi's issue i think
[2008/07/05 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: NOOOOO i refuse to buy one with MY money cos CDS NEVER reimburses
[2008/07/05 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: this is the whole issue of the thing!!!!!
[2008/07/05 9:51] You: OK :)
[2008/07/05 9:51] You: then there is no need to reimburse you yet, right?
[2008/07/05 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: doesnt anyone get it...............
[2008/07/05 9:51] You: you just want them to get on with it and buy the vehicle, I take it?
[2008/07/05 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: WE APPROVED A ITEM TO BUY
[2008/07/05 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: I NEED THE MONEY TO BUY IT WITH
[2008/07/05 9:51] You: OK :)
[2008/07/05 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: OR SOMEONE
[2008/07/05 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: WTF IS THE PROBLEM
[2008/07/05 9:52] Alexicon Kurka: tP the money is not the issue, that has been approved
[2008/07/05 9:52] Alexicon Kurka: the ownership is
[2008/07/05 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: WHY DO WE APPROVE A BUDGET ITEM
[2008/07/05 9:52] DivineLolita Demonia: blushes
[2008/07/05 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: WHO OWNS ANYTHIN G IN CDS.. HOW DO WE HAVE ANYTHING
[2008/07/05 9:52] You: Alexi has said -- correct me if I am wrong -- that he wants Sudane or the Guild or some neutral to own it, right Alexi?
[2008/07/05 9:52] Alexicon Kurka: yes
[2008/07/05 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[2008/07/05 9:52] Alexicon Kurka: thank you Jamie
[2008/07/05 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sorry, but I don't understand.
[2008/07/05 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, prin
[2008/07/05 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's the question
[2008/07/05 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The rest are silly details!
[2008/07/05 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: DO YOU THINK I WANT 4K LINDENS
[2008/07/05 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: SO I CAN RETIRE OR SOMETHING
[2008/07/05 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: FFFFFFS
[2008/07/05 9:53] Jamie Palisades grins -- Alexi, if Prin gets you the data on the precise item, can you get someone within the executive to buy it this next week, say within 7 days after she gives you the item information?
[2008/07/05 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have to agree with Prin wholeheartedly
[2008/07/05 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: its why is the process................so messed up
[2008/07/05 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's insane even, Jamie
[2008/07/05 9:53] Alexicon Kurka: yes I can Jamie
[2008/07/05 9:53] You: (Prin, I'd save more than L$4000 to retire, personally)
[2008/07/05 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 7 days to buy an *item*!?
[2008/07/05 9:53] You: OK :) propose a shorter time, Gwyn
[2008/07/05 9:54] Alexicon Kurka: np Gwyn
[2008/07/05 9:54] MT Lundquist: hi soro
[2008/07/05 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sorry, I don't get that
[2008/07/05 9:54] ThePrincess Parisi: ok i motion that gwyn owns the guided tour
[2008/07/05 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: really
[2008/07/05 9:54] You: I was told by a flower wearing friend once that we all are volunteers ultimately and such have to be reasonable :)
[2008/07/05 9:54] ThePrincess Parisi: so does sudane run this place or what?
[2008/07/05 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed...
[2008/07/05 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/07/05 9:54] ThePrincess Parisi: so lets let sudane decided who owns the guided tour
[2008/07/05 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least she's stalling it :D
[2008/07/05 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, ok
[2008/07/05 9:54] ThePrincess Parisi: oHHH NO its not sudanes stim?
[2008/07/05 9:55] You: OK :) Princess moved that the tour be owned by Gwyn. Any second or reactions to that?
[2008/07/05 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: NOOO i take it back
[2008/07/05 9:55] Alexicon Kurka: life would be much simpler if you buy a tranferrable version thePrincess
[2008/07/05 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that's plain stupid!
[2008/07/05 9:55] You: oopsie :) OK
[2008/07/05 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: I MOVE THAT SUDANE BE AUDITED
[2008/07/05 9:55] MT Lundquist: second
[2008/07/05 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: well
[2008/07/05 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: chickens
[2008/07/05 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, according to my bad memory,
[2008/07/05 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: ten foot pole again
[2008/07/05 9:55] You: I think we're all talking about a general topic here, so even though that's a bit off agenda, I think it's relevant
[2008/07/05 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the Treasurer has to give a monthly account on the finances
[2008/07/05 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: just like the forum we are so scared of sudane we are joke
[2008/07/05 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, yes, I haven't seen that in a while.
[2008/07/05 9:56] You: we do have a motion and second. I have some discussion. Maybe others do too? Gwyn?
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: well we dont have a proper audit ever
[2008/07/05 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I'd certainly second a motion to see that
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: i wanna see a bank statement
[2008/07/05 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: mark out the RL Name
[2008/07/05 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh!
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: yah@
[2008/07/05 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, that's against the LL ToS :)
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: where is the alleged 5k
[2008/07/05 9:56] You: hm I doubt there is one :) I suspect there only is an SL account
[2008/07/05 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm afraid I cannot agree with that :)
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: what!
[2008/07/05 9:56] MT Lundquist: whys it against tos
[2008/07/05 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: loll.. cds is a total complete joke!
[2008/07/05 9:56] You: Prin, as you know well, avatrs can run a positive balance in the LL acct
[2008/07/05 9:56] You: I assume that, if we have a reserve, that's where it sits
[2008/07/05 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean a rl bank account statement
[2008/07/05 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes they can, and we can't force people to reveal their RL data ;)
[2008/07/05 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: assume!
[2008/07/05 9:57] You: but we had a budget meeting with our treasurer to ask such questions :)
[2008/07/05 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: force?
[2008/07/05 9:57] You: sorry you weren't able to join us.
[2008/07/05 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I mean through a request in the RA, Prin)
[2008/07/05 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: if shes got or hes got a money of ours................
[2008/07/05 9:57] You: I suggest an amendment to your motion
[2008/07/05 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't think there is a bank account, just a running account with LL
[2008/07/05 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: then she needs to show us.. and take her name and mark out all rl datea but our money
[2008/07/05 9:57] You: ... for one thing an "audit" means an expert outside review at a certain level which costs singificant RL money.
[2008/07/05 9:57] MT Lundquist: so we have 5kus in linden labs?
[2008/07/05 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: well if shes keep ing 5k in lindens?
[2008/07/05 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, it's not *Sudane* that has the money, it's Rudeen
[2008/07/05 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: so the 5k is in lindens with LL
[2008/07/05 9:58] You: .. so I prefer "review" as a word
[2008/07/05 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: and we never let her withdraw
[2008/07/05 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, it's 5k US$ with LL (LL allows both L$ and US$)
[2008/07/05 9:58] MT Lundquist: so if linden go bust or change their rules
[2008/07/05 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: they are the same person..??? who ever it doesnt matter
[2008/07/05 9:58] You: .. for another there are in fact some ToS issues here
[2008/07/05 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah so does she take money out
[2008/07/05 9:58] MT Lundquist: cds loses $5kUS
[2008/07/05 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: its just we have no clue what this really really is ..
[2008/07/05 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: its a joke is what it is
[2008/07/05 9:59] Alexicon Kurka: so will you provide us with the exact data of the item you wish to buy thePrincess?
[2008/07/05 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: brb im hungry
[2008/07/05 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The difference is that the "Rudeen" account has a separate login and password than Sudane's ;) The point being that different people might need to have access to the Estate Owner, say, if an accident happens, or the Treasurer changes or steps down, etc
[2008/07/05 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, *all* dealing with LL has risks
[2008/07/05 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: its in the RA notes from ages ago.. six months ago..
[2008/07/05 9:59] You: Unfortunately Alex we have diverted at the members' request friom the tour device issue to an auditing issue
[2008/07/05 9:59] MT Lundquist: yes but the moneys not even working
[2008/07/05 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, first things first.
[2008/07/05 10:00] DivineLolita Demonia: me too.. thank you for letting me sit in.. au revoir....
[2008/07/05 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We have a budget, right?
[2008/07/05 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And the budget approved specifically that Prin was allowed to buy a guided tour thingy?
[2008/07/05 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm right so far?
[2008/07/05 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, it was not a "vague request" for "some money expenditure in the future"
[2008/07/05 10:01] You: .. so I move to amend Prin's motion to convey to Sudane as CDS treasurer three things: (a) thanks for the presentation last month, (b) confirmation that the alt Rudeen Edo only holds CDS assets, and (c) her suggestion for a neutral party who can have full access to Rudeen's LL acct US dollar and L$ transactions logs ... for purposes of a review for conformity to the posted monthly financials.
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but a specific request: Prin wants to buy a guided tour thingy
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and we've approved it
[2008/07/05 10:01] You: :)

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Re: RA Meeting 05 July 2008 - Transcript (part 2)

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[2008/07/05 10:01] You: .. so I move to amend Prin's motion to convey to Sudane as CDS treasurer three things: (a) thanks for the presentation last month, (b) confirmation that the alt Rudeen Edo only holds CDS assets, and (c) her suggestion for a neutral party who can have full access to Rudeen's LL acct US dollar and L$ transactions logs ... for purposes of a review for conformity to the posted monthly financials.
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but a specific request: Prin wants to buy a guided tour thingy
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and we've approved it
[2008/07/05 10:01] You: :)
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: now she needs the money
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it gets transferred to Prin. What's the problem?
[2008/07/05 10:01] You: but Alexi wishes it to be owned by someone who has CDS executive powers
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that's Alex's *wish*
[2008/07/05 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Alex
[2008/07/05 10:01] You: Gwyn, I think he has answered us by saying, I will not approve the money until I know who will own the device
[2008/07/05 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If we approved it would be Prin, it's prin!
[2008/07/05 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If Alex dislikes the idea,
[2008/07/05 10:02] You: speak up if I am getting this wrong please Alex :)
[2008/07/05 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm willing to consider approving that it goes to someone else, but...
[2008/07/05 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (since our words are not written in stone etc)
[2008/07/05 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But... that's not what we've approved, is it?
[2008/07/05 10:02] You: Hmmm Gwyn: would the RA's act specify ownership too? I guess it certainly can if we so act
[2008/07/05 10:02] You: This was before my time on RA :)
[2008/07/05 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well I don't remember the exact phrasing either
[2008/07/05 10:03] Alexicon Kurka: I want such gadgets to be owned or have a back up from the exec indeed
[2008/07/05 10:03] You: Prin? Did it say "Prin will own it?" or do we want to CYHANGE it to say that NOW?
[2008/07/05 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I *had* the idea that the RA had approved Prin's request
[2008/07/05 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well ok
[2008/07/05 10:03] You: Me too Gwyn - but not that ownership was specified
[2008/07/05 10:03] MT Lundquist: i dont either i was getting prices for it at the time
[2008/07/05 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine with allowing Alex to decide ownership
[2008/07/05 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seems like an executive act to me :)
[2008/07/05 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it makes our work simpler.
[2008/07/05 10:04] MT Lundquist: does the owner have to program it?
[2008/07/05 10:04] You: OK, then -- if that is the appropriate resolution, I see only two ways out. Either (a) Alexi approved Sudane to forwrad money to Prin, and she buys transferable .. or (b) Alexi approved someone else to go buy it now
[2008/07/05 10:04] Alexicon Kurka: so we all agree that Gwyn will own it? It is still much better if thePrincess can buy a tranferable version
[2008/07/05 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So... if there are no objections, Alex has to nominate someone to own the thingy, scrap money out of our dear treasurer, buy it, end of story
[2008/07/05 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why me??? lol
[2008/07/05 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: what is the issue
[2008/07/05 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second Jamie's suggestion anyway
[2008/07/05 10:04] You: um it only responds to commands from hair flowers?
[2008/07/05 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Jamie
[2008/07/05 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: no gwyns not going to own the damn guided tour
[2008/07/05 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: what the is that about.. i said that as a joke!
[2008/07/05 10:05] You: Alex, will you approve Su giving Prin the money to buy a transferable version and then transfer it to whoever you like?
[2008/07/05 10:05] You: (if you say yes i think we are done)
[2008/07/05 10:05] Alexicon Kurka: yes np Jamie that's the best
[2008/07/05 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: so jamie de....wait.. alexicon decideds who gets to put the tour out
[2008/07/05 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: when we had committees and it was approved by the RA already
[2008/07/05 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: the path everything was approved by the rA
[2008/07/05 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: this is absurd
[2008/07/05 10:06] Alexicon Kurka: thePrincess will you please anticipate and look for a transfer version?
[2008/07/05 10:07] Soro Dagostino: Hmmm, point of information?
[2008/07/05 10:07] Soro Dagostino: Are there minutes of that meeting?
[2008/07/05 10:07] MT Lundquist: when i looked they were non trasferable
[2008/07/05 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A bit, I agree, prin, but I'd say that approving the budget is the RA's problem; getting the item bought is the Exec's
[2008/07/05 10:07] MT Lundquist: and if they still are then we have a problem
[2008/07/05 10:07] You: um Prin? RA *CAN* legislate who owns it if we like - but I do not think we have done so
[2008/07/05 10:07] ThePrincess Parisi: we can ask the creator to sell us one that is transfer, but if he is smart it will cost a lot more
[2008/07/05 10:08] You: (Soro, yes, look here:)
[2008/07/05 10:08] You: http://forums.slcds.info/viewforum.php?f=2
[2008/07/05 10:08] Soro Dagostino: kk
[2008/07/05 10:08] Soro Dagostino: later.
[2008/07/05 10:08] You: soooo if prin finds it's nontransferable then Alexi needs to nominate someone to own it, yes?
[2008/07/05 10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/07/05 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: let alexicon find the darn thing i dont haeve the time
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: this is ridiculous.. i move empeach
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: six doarn munthis
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: six months
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: later
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: and hes saying a weird thing about who owns the thing are you nuts
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: its been six months
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: and he comes up with this.. defying what we passed
[2008/07/05 10:09] You: hm well we have three actions on the table :)
[2008/07/05 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: in teh LAST session
[2008/07/05 10:09] You: .. would evveryone give me a minute to untangle them please
[2008/07/05 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/07/05 10:10] Alexicon Kurka: dear tP you did not anticipate at all at my request to look for a transfer version months ago
[2008/07/05 10:10] You: 1. audit issue - motion and amendment pending - on the table (on hold) for a bit
[2008/07/05 10:10] You: (and I do want to get back to that)
[2008/07/05 10:10] You: 2.
[2008/07/05 10:10] You: this reimbursement -- which has turned out to be a tour vehicle purchase, not a reimbursement
[2008/07/05 10:10] You: and 3.
[2008/07/05 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i dont even know if its transfer or not! its 4k lindens
[2008/07/05 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: do you know how much money that is
[2008/07/05 10:10] You: Prin's motion to impeach
[2008/07/05 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: omg!
[2008/07/05 10:11] You: :)
[2008/07/05 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: 4k lindens
[2008/07/05 10:11] You: Prin can I finish?
[2008/07/05 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/07/05 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: its less than we spend on lunch
[2008/07/05 10:14] You: so
[2008/07/05 10:14] You: sigh
[2008/07/05 10:14] MT Lundquist: did i crash or did everyine stop talking
[2008/07/05 10:14] You: Can we finish the tour vehicle issue please first
[2008/07/05 10:14] Alexicon Kurka: I was wondering the same
[2008/07/05 10:14] You: a little quiet's probably good for the RA :)
[2008/07/05 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn was waiting for Jamie to finish
[2008/07/05 10:14] ThePrincess Parisi: me too
[2008/07/05 10:15] You: I believe Alexi has agreed to have a copy of the vehicle prin identified purchased, by an appropriate executive person, as soon as Prin identifies it.
[2008/07/05 10:15] You: Gwyn did I hear you say that's unaccceptable?
[2008/07/05 10:15] Alexicon Kurka: yes
[2008/07/05 10:15] ThePrincess Parisi: this is absurd... this was said six months ago in the last RA session
[2008/07/05 10:15] ThePrincess Parisi: this is totally unacceptable
[2008/07/05 10:15] You: well we will get to yotu motion to impeach in a sec :)
[2008/07/05 10:15] ThePrincess Parisi: my move to empeach stands
[2008/07/05 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Jamie
[2008/07/05 10:15] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/07/05 10:16] You: Gwyn's got the floor
[2008/07/05 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You know, I tend to agree with Prin on this
[2008/07/05 10:16] ThePrincess Parisi: this happened six months ago, and he should not have to ask now what the thing is even
[2008/07/05 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: WHY did we take SIX months for that?!
[2008/07/05 10:16] ThePrincess Parisi: great move for you politically gwyen
[2008/07/05 10:16] You: Alex? question for you
[2008/07/05 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, sorry, Alex, but... can you provide us with a reasonable explanation why this wasn't done months ago?
[2008/07/05 10:16] You: (Gwyn's, not mine)
[2008/07/05 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's also the RA's duty to figure out why things are not working, so my question stands.
[2008/07/05 10:17] You: ...
[2008/07/05 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And depending on the answer I might second Prin's motion as well :)
[2008/07/05 10:17] Alexicon Kurka: because the Princess did not react sevral times to my request for a transfearable version and nobody could think of a better solution for the ownership/use
[2008/07/05 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: AH.
[2008/07/05 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, we're getting somewhere :D
[2008/07/05 10:17] ThePrincess Parisi: that is LIE
[2008/07/05 10:17] You: So there's disdagreement. Noted.
[2008/07/05 10:17] ThePrincess Parisi: when six months ago was i not in world allt he time
[2008/07/05 10:18] You: Aleix is there any obstacle *now* to that probelm of who owns?
[2008/07/05 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: read the debates ..r ead my commsiion meetings on teh guided tour
[2008/07/05 10:18] Alexicon Kurka: did you even take contact with the creator asking him/her for a version suited for us?
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: no one told me it wasnt suited til five months after the fact
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: you didnt mention that til we called you infront of the RA
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: about it
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: this is a red herring you have made up
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: and its a new issue
[2008/07/05 10:19] Alexicon Kurka: we used to have long talks six months ago thePrincess
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: and the RA approved it ffs..
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: yes and you never gave me the meony then too
[2008/07/05 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, there is a slight detail here... I'm not sure it's Prin's 'duty' to track down these details anyway... that's why we have an executive
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: i asked and asked
[2008/07/05 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you gwyeneth
[2008/07/05 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I'm just trying to *understand* the root of the problem
[2008/07/05 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: sudane maybe
[2008/07/05 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: if she wont give him the money
[2008/07/05 10:20] Alexicon Kurka: I do not have any details of the gadget anyway
[2008/07/05 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: why do YOU ?
[2008/07/05 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: it was passed by the RA and approved as a budget item
[2008/07/05 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: its NOT up to you
[2008/07/05 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean hmm let me give another silly example. Suppose that we decided today to move all of the CDS into There.com or Kaneva. It's not up to the RA members to deal with the change, we might not be technical enough for that; that's why we have an Executive who will handle those things
[2008/07/05 10:21] Alexicon Kurka: I was asked to start the IP contracts and a consistend policie on CDS assets
[2008/07/05 10:21] You: .. while we're wandering a bit on this agenda, budget control is a *key* issue for the RA, so I think we're using our time entirely properly ... ah good point Alex. What came of that?
[2008/07/05 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, that's a reasonable request to get, Alex, but how does it interfere with the issue we're discussing?
[2008/07/05 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: and lets bring up the christmas party too
[2008/07/05 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes)
[2008/07/05 10:22] ThePrincess Parisi: and the other event i was to be reimbursed for
[2008/07/05 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/07/05 10:22] ThePrincess Parisi: what is that crhistmas party not transfer?
[2008/07/05 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/07/05 10:22] ThePrincess Parisi: was the band supposed be transfer
[2008/07/05 10:22] ThePrincess Parisi: wheres the montey for that.. OH YOU wanted money from CDS
[2008/07/05 10:22] Alexicon Kurka: there has been a lot of chat about assets bought in the past and not been availablke to cds
[2008/07/05 10:22] ThePrincess Parisi: but you didnt want anyone else to get any.. like we are taking them
[2008/07/05 10:22] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah and you wanted to PAID to be chancellor
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: so you are pod that didnt happen and taking it out on all of us
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: pod
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: means.. pissed off
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: 'd
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: angry
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean pod means angry
[2008/07/05 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I'm not very happy either!
[2008/07/05 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's *July*
[2008/07/05 10:23] Alexicon Kurka: it was not clear to me that I should check the details, but in this case I should have the details of the gadget anyway
[2008/07/05 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Christmas party was... December, usually they are in December?
[2008/07/05 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: and what on earth is your reson fro me not getting reimbursed for the crhirsmas party and the snow melt
[2008/07/05 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: tell me these too
[2008/07/05 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: snow melt was transfer
[2008/07/05 10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn actually seconds Prin's question
[2008/07/05 10:24] Alexicon Kurka: there was no reimbushment agreement about the christmas party
[2008/07/05 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: you tried to finagle a way to get paid to be chancellor
[2008/07/05 10:24] Alexicon Kurka: it was your initiative
[2008/07/05 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: there was TOO
[2008/07/05 10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm pretty sure it was a RA-sponsored event...
[2008/07/05 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: and so the snow melt
[2008/07/05 10:24] You: so hm - at some point I would like this to resolve as a proposal for action from someone - but as Alexi is here and available for questions, that seems to be helpful
[2008/07/05 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in the sense that we've approved a budget for it, right?
[2008/07/05 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Jamie
[2008/07/05 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: yes we have events approved.. like 400k its measley but i didnt even get that
[2008/07/05 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Something is clearly wrong in the whole process
[2008/07/05 10:25] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/07/05 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We need to figure out what's wrong and move a motion to fix it
[2008/07/05 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: and ROSE asked me to pay for the christmas party.. it was 10k of OUR money
[2008/07/05 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye. And that's not correct.
[2008/07/05 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: we did it per the PIO
[2008/07/05 10:25] Alexicon Kurka: Rose is not a part of the exec
[2008/07/05 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: but we only wanted the 400l
[2008/07/05 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: well it was approved by the RA
[2008/07/05 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It was indeed.
[2008/07/05 10:26] Alexicon Kurka: long after your party that was approved by the RA
[2008/07/05 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree that Rose might NOT have had the right to interfere or make comments,
[2008/07/05 10:26] Alexicon Kurka: we cannot pay back
[2008/07/05 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: you werent even in office
[2008/07/05 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: lol.........!!!!
[2008/07/05 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but that doesn't change anything.
[2008/07/05 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: its NOT YOUR MONEY
[2008/07/05 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, the "we" is the CDs.
[2008/07/05 10:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's OUR money
[2008/07/05 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: you are mad we wouldnt pay you for your precious time to be chancellor
[2008/07/05 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: thats what you wanted
[2008/07/05 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we empeach
[2008/07/05 10:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I don't know if that's right, Prin, that's just a wild accusation. The facts are, however, that nobody is being reimbursed for approved expenses, which is not correct.
[2008/07/05 10:27] Soro Dagostino: Excuse me? Aren't there three motions on the floor now?
[2008/07/05 10:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And new things get approved, but 'technicalities' prevent them to be bought.
[2008/07/05 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: has ANYTHING been paid for or reimbursed other that your own things alexicon.. yours and arrias?
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: BELLS has not been reimbursed or paid either
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: she spent a lot on the ball.. NOTHING
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: she was paid back nothing yet
[2008/07/05 10:28] Alexicon Kurka: I have got 0L from the cds since I am chancellor
[2008/07/05 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So the RA's work is being questioned: we approve budgets, we approve events, we approve reimbursements... but nobody gets paid
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: her own money
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: NO ONE
[2008/07/05 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alex, the Chancellor is an unpaid position
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: but he wanted his money for what he does.
[2008/07/05 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (as is the RA!)
[2008/07/05 10:28] Alexicon Kurka: I find it extremely inappropriate the way you express yourself tP
[2008/07/05 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: so what?
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont care what you find inappropriate thats how i express myself
[2008/07/05 10:29] Alexicon Kurka: [10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: has ANYTHING been paid for or reimbursed other that your own things alexicon.. yours and arrias?
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: red herring
[2008/07/05 10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, prin, I'd also request that you stopped claiming things about Alex that you don't know if they're right or not :) It becomes just personal attacks and nothing more
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: wella nswer this then
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: i asked a question
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: has ANTYING been reimbursed
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: Bells hasnt been
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: mine hasnt
[2008/07/05 10:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, I wish to know an answer to that too.
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: is it personal against us ..
[2008/07/05 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: or universal
[2008/07/05 10:30] Alexicon Kurka: there has been little expenses
[2008/07/05 10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: what?
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: what does that mean
[2008/07/05 10:30] Alexicon Kurka: it's all in the reports of Sudane
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: bells wasnt little
[2008/07/05 10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't know if that doesn't make things worse :)
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: what did you reimburse bells ?
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: she sent you notecards with epxpenses
[2008/07/05 10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, what is the criteria then to pay some people, and not others?
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: did you pay her back
[2008/07/05 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: who have you chosen to reimburse
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we impeach
[2008/07/05 10:31] MT Lundquist: Alex has anyone been reembursed?
[2008/07/05 10:31] Alexicon Kurka: I never recieved expenses statements from Bells
[2008/07/05 10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm.
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont belive that
[2008/07/05 10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And from Prin?
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: i have asked on the forum even cos you didnt answer me
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: and in RA
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: and in public
[2008/07/05 10:31] Alexicon Kurka: we have been discussing the tour thing with the Princess for at least a month
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: and notecard
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: SIX MONTHS
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: SIX MONTHS
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: SIX MONTHS
[2008/07/05 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: SIX
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: 2 4
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: 5 6
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: one month .. my ass
[2008/07/05 10:32] Alexicon Kurka: did you either IMed the creator yourself, or did you provide me with his/her data so that I can look for a solution?
[2008/07/05 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, point taken :)
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: ok im gonna get mouthy.. i cant take this anymore
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: there is no provblem.. six months or more ago the RA approved an item to be boought with MONEY
[2008/07/05 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right,
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: its not up to you to make more points on it
[2008/07/05 10:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's our understanding too.
[2008/07/05 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: impeach
[2008/07/05 10:33] You: so? on the TOUR is there an act we wish to take as RA? (Other than impeach - that's NEXT on the agenda) Or do we want to see if Alexi is able to make progress this week, and come back to it?
[2008/07/05 10:33] Alexicon Kurka: I was asked to have a consistent policy on CDS assets
[2008/07/05 10:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I imagine that was a request from the RA; right?
[2008/07/05 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: another week!!!!!!
[2008/07/05 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: why would you beat your head against the wall with this man
[2008/07/05 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: get it over with
[2008/07/05 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: he wont do anything
[2008/07/05 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: we gave him a week last week
[2008/07/05 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I'd like to know the reasons why, Prin
[2008/07/05 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: i should have voted for jamie.
[2008/07/05 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that's a point. So...
[2008/07/05 10:34] MT Lundquist: i'll ask again has anyone been reembursed alex?
[2008/07/05 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, apparently yes, and it's on Sudane's report, which I don't have a link to
[2008/07/05 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: so has alexicon reimbursed himself for anything?
[2008/07/05 10:35] Alexicon Kurka: no
[2008/07/05 10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I understand the reason for reimbursing some and not others was that the Executive didn't receive a notecard with the expenses.
[2008/07/05 10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is that right?
[2008/07/05 10:35] You: I think Su told us there have been virutaly NO payments this term other than tier, Prin
[2008/07/05 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: i agree jamie
[2008/07/05 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: and i know of four requests
[2008/07/05 10:35] Alexicon Kurka: I have on the contrary invested for several objects and services
[2008/07/05 10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 'virtually' is too vague
[2008/07/05 10:35] Alexicon Kurka: without asking for reimbushment
[2008/07/05 10:36] Alexicon Kurka: like the gadget used for the survey
[2008/07/05 10:36] ThePrincess Parisi: we do all the time!
[2008/07/05 10:36] ThePrincess Parisi: this is a point of process.. i dont need 15 dollars
[2008/07/05 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Alex, that's your privilege and prerrogative; also, you have had items on the budget too which haven't been bought yet
[2008/07/05 10:36] You: hm gwyn to some extent THAT concern should go to the AUDIT issue I think
[2008/07/05 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin, yes, exactly
[2008/07/05 10:36] You: sooo ...
[2008/07/05 10:37] ThePrincess Parisi: ive made 4k since we have been sitting here ffs
[2008/07/05 10:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, my point here is to try to understand WHAT is wrong, and if the RA can pass a motion to fix it.
[2008/07/05 10:37] ThePrincess Parisi: its the POINT
[2008/07/05 10:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But so far I haven't understood everything. In some cases, it's process (people not sending notecards with expenses, or those notecards never arriving)
[2008/07/05 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In other cases, it seems conflicting demands: on one hand the RA approves things to be bought; on the other it requires that these things are checked and controlled for correct permissions or something
[2008/07/05 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And in some cases I haven't figured out yet what failed.
[2008/07/05 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, for point one... notecards with expenses not arriving... we need to change the procedures somehow
[2008/07/05 10:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: so that the RA can make an audit too
[2008/07/05 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: On the "conflicting demands" issue I have way more problems, since we don't know ALL demands that have been contardictory!... we're just finding out some cases
[2008/07/05 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And others I don't understand anything :(
[2008/07/05 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/07/05 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn is not so clever
[2008/07/05 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So perhaps we can review all cases we know about?...
[2008/07/05 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let's start with the Christmas party.
[2008/07/05 10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So allegedly Bells never sent a notecard with expenses, is taht so, Alex?
[2008/07/05 10:40] Alexicon Kurka: hehe
[2008/07/05 10:40] Alexicon Kurka: no
[2008/07/05 10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, let's request Bells to send it again.
[2008/07/05 10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And see if it arrives.
[2008/07/05 10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And what happens afterwards ;)
[2008/07/05 10:40] You: I want us to deal with Prin's audit motion and impeach motion but so far -- first -- we're having Q&A time, which I assume all members wish to continue for a bit.
[2008/07/05 10:40] Alexicon Kurka: and I have talked to her from time to time, she didnt say anything about it
[2008/07/05 10:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Next... Prin, were there more expenses for teh Christmas party?
[2008/07/05 10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry for taking time, jamie, but I feel that if we can figure it *all* out, this might never happen again!
[2008/07/05 10:41] Alexicon Kurka: but there was no budget for the christmas party
[2008/07/05 10:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2008/07/05 10:41] ThePrincess Parisi: there are vent bugets
[2008/07/05 10:41] ThePrincess Parisi: event
[2008/07/05 10:41] MT Lundquist: brb
[2008/07/05 10:41] ThePrincess Parisi: it was budgetted
[2008/07/05 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I understand that there are event budgets indeed, eg L$5k/month or so
[2008/07/05 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: thats new
[2008/07/05 10:42] Alexicon Kurka: this was decided after the Christmas party
[2008/07/05 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: then it was only 400l
[2008/07/05 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 400! oh
[2008/07/05 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, well
[2008/07/05 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: but it was bugetd before
[2008/07/05 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: and then we raised it after
[2008/07/05 10:42] ThePrincess Parisi: but i should have gotten my 400l
[2008/07/05 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: since i spent 10k..
[2008/07/05 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
[2008/07/05 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, you sent a note of expenses to the Chancellor too, Prin?
[2008/07/05 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/07/05 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: i asked for 400l and told him the band etc.. was 10k
[2008/07/05 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And you did receive the notecard, Alex?
[2008/07/05 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: live music ...
[2008/07/05 10:43] Alexicon Kurka: no notecrd
[2008/07/05 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: and the snow melt.. well, i was there
[2008/07/05 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: does the constitution say a notecard is due
[2008/07/05 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: or some rules.. or do you just make that up
[2008/07/05 10:44] MT Lundquist: back
[2008/07/05 10:44] Alexicon Kurka: I also made expenses for the snow melt, as Naftali did too thePrincess
[2008/07/05 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: right! and i padi the band 7k for the first one
[2008/07/05 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: so if you refuse me the 400l ok .. the first noe you didnt do anything
[2008/07/05 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: the first snow melt i did it all alexicon
[2008/07/05 10:45] You: sooo?
[2008/07/05 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i got a tip from someone... one
[2008/07/05 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont care, its the POINT
[2008/07/05 10:45] You: Given the time I would like to see if in 2 minutes we want to come to a proposed action, hm?
[2008/07/05 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i have money its the point
[2008/07/05 10:46] Soro Dagostino: It has been interesting, RL calls.
[2008/07/05 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: lucky dog
[2008/07/05 10:46] Jamie Palisades looks over to the empty seat with a Llewelyn shaped imprint on it
[2008/07/05 10:46] You: Ta Soro
[2008/07/05 10:46] MT Lundquist: did she crash or leave
[2008/07/05 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: she said she had to go at 1030
[2008/07/05 10:47] You: OK - I have heard no proposals for an action by the RA on the reimb generally - but I have heard Alexi say he'd get the tour purchased as soon as Prin identifies it
[2008/07/05 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: no quorum
[2008/07/05 10:47] You: and yes I think she timed out
[2008/07/05 10:47] You: agrred Prin
[2008/07/05 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: SEARCH GUIDED TOUR
[2008/07/05 10:47] You: May I suggest we pick up the pending motions next week?
[2008/07/05 10:47] You: I know you did. None of us are happy about the poor communictaion and lack of resolution here
[2008/07/05 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: I MOVE WE EMPEACH ALEXICON NEXT WEEK
[2008/07/05 10:47] Alexicon Kurka: I have all the LMs of the tours we have visited thePrincess
[2008/07/05 10:48] Alexicon Kurka: but not hte one you have chosen
[2008/07/05 10:48] You: I need to go look amd see what that takes, and will imnform all partuies.
[2008/07/05 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: THE RA APPROVED ONE
[2008/07/05 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: I DIDNT CHOOSE IT... THE RA DID
[2008/07/05 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: IT SNOT MINE..I ONLY LED THE COMMITTEEE
[2008/07/05 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: if you own it im sure it will all be fine
[2008/07/05 10:49] MT Lundquist: wb gwyn
[2008/07/05 10:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry!
[2008/07/05 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: to impeach we just vote
[2008/07/05 10:49] You: and I apoligize to you all for a sort of "free form" meeting but I think this issue was in fact the most impoprtant one. What I plan to do is talk to each of Su, Alex and Prin about BOTH the tour AND the other motions and see if we can get to some kind of orderly resolution.
[2008/07/05 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: cos it takes a majority
[2008/07/05 10:49] You: not sure about that prin
[2008/07/05 10:49] You: there's a special law for impeachment
[2008/07/05 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: i am
[2008/07/05 10:49] You: Gwyn you are our constitution expert :)
[2008/07/05 10:50] You: and I myself must leave in 10 mins
[2008/07/05 10:50] You: I suggest if Prin wants to pursue impeachment we do that next week, not try it now
[2008/07/05 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, there is a "removal from office" and an impeachment
[2008/07/05 10:50] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/07/05 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have to check up on the difference
[2008/07/05 10:50] ThePrincess Parisi: i guess i can just leave
[2008/07/05 10:50] ThePrincess Parisi: maybe thats easier
[2008/07/05 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I have 10 minutes for that? hehe
[2008/07/05 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: me too
[2008/07/05 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we impeach or remove from office which ever is faster
[2008/07/05 10:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Probably removal, impeachment goes through the SC
[2008/07/05 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: remove
[2008/07/05 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we remove
[2008/07/05 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: for being totally and completely incompetent
[2008/07/05 10:51] ThePrincess Parisi: not to mention wanted to get paid
[2008/07/05 10:51] You: :) ..I note we have closed the reimbusements/tour issue for now, and have a motion on audit pending.
[2008/07/05 10:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/07/05 10:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I definitely want an audit
[2008/07/05 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: not me.. he wanted to get paid to be chancellor
[2008/07/05 10:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since we might figure out from it,
[2008/07/05 10:52] You: Prin wants to take up her impeachment motion - this is an agenda amendment. Any objection to her request that we do so?
[2008/07/05 10:52] MT Lundquist: none
[2008/07/05 10:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, no objections, but I wish just to check up on the procedures
[2008/07/05 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: hes got secondary gain
[2008/07/05 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: mt does
[2008/07/05 10:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sadly the wiki seems to be down :(
[2008/07/05 10:52] MT Lundquist: what?
[2008/07/05 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/05 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: ok just vote to remove from office
[2008/07/05 10:53] You: :) the constitution is unavailable, says gwyn
[2008/07/05 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: let the SC tell us we did it wrong
[2008/07/05 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: vote
[2008/07/05 10:53] You: I am not confident we can do this so quickly, so personally would vote against it today
[2008/07/05 10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, well, I would also not vote it today, for one reason only —
[2008/07/05 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: we can too
[2008/07/05 10:53] Alexicon Kurka: is the version on neufreistd nit correct?
[2008/07/05 10:53] You: I agree you can
[2008/07/05 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it might be that Alex's 'inaction' comes simply from unexisting/conflicting procedures
[2008/07/05 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alex, well not quite
[2008/07/05 10:54] ThePrincess Parisi: sigh.. dnate didnt have a problem
[2008/07/05 10:54] You: Prin has moved to remove Alexi from office. I note we're a little short of being certain about the procedure, but the intent seems clear enough. Is there a second?
[2008/07/05 10:55] Jamie Palisades listens for a second - or not
[2008/07/05 10:55] You: Motion dies for lack of second then
[2008/07/05 10:56] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "7. The Chancellor may be removed from office prior to the expiration of the term of office by at least a two thirds vote of the Representative Assembly. "
[2008/07/05 10:56] You: I think we should take up the audit motion - which ahas been amended - but I think we should do this as our first item next week
[2008/07/05 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we don't have a quorum for that vote to pass anyway
[2008/07/05 10:56] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/05 10:56] You: ah thx Gwyn - what I was concerend about - requires 5
[2008/07/05 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes it does
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll set the Chancellor a challenge :)
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: To take a look at all requests for money that have been made and never paid,
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and for each one,
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: list why it wasn't paid
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eg: Bells & prin — no notecard received
[2008/07/05 10:57] ThePrincess Parisi: mizou too i think
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tourist guide, conflicting requests regarding ownership
[2008/07/05 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, good one
[2008/07/05 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And we'll check this out with the audit to be done on the Treasury,
[2008/07/05 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: ownership? lol who is he to make an issue of that
[2008/07/05 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and see if the reasons for not paying have any plausible excuse
[2008/07/05 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't know, Prin, so I wish to ask :)
[2008/07/05 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Chancellor is, indeed, the manager (on behalf of the CDS) of land and content
[2008/07/05 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But there are obviously rules for that
[2008/07/05 10:59] You: Mindful of the time, if Gwyn's done, I suggest we adjourn for today, and plan to do some one on one followup
[2008/07/05 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (b) to expend monies held by the Office of the Chancellor of Neufreistadt-CDS for the administration and management of public facilities (including, but not limited to, roadways, signage, public buildings, public events and similar), and to discharge any other duties or powers of the Office of the Chancellor conferred by this Act or any other Act of the Representative Assembly;
[2008/07/05 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (one of the powers of the Chancellor)
[2008/07/05 11:01] You: Let me excuse myself with apologies :) and thanks everyoine for working to sort out this long tangle of tough issues
[2008/07/05 11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, it seems to be a critical one, jamie
[2008/07/05 11:01] MT Lundquist: bye jamie
[2008/07/05 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: slkdjf;waste f ime
[2008/07/05 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: a waste of time
[2008/07/05 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: again
[2008/07/05 11:01] You: perhaps Prin - we'll see. Thank you for coming, Alexi
[2008/07/05 11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, it wasn't a waste, Prin, I think we never addressed this "properly". We just make demands and get furious because the demands are never complied with,
[2008/07/05 11:01] Alexicon Kurka: yes I have top leave too, have a nice weekend. Please tP provide me or Jammie with the details of the tour.
[2008/07/05 11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but we never understand *why*
[2008/07/05 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And let's ask Mizou, Bells, and Prin to send the notecards again
[2008/07/05 11:02] MT Lundquist: bye alex
[2008/07/05 11:02] Alexicon Kurka: thanks for the constructuive thought Gwyn
[2008/07/05 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's clear that a notecard-based system is NOT going to work
[2008/07/05 11:02] You: on the other hand gwyn - we have given no law that constraints the turn around time either - smile
[2008/07/05 11:02] You: ta for now
[2008/07/05 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie
[2008/07/05 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: see you :)
[2008/07/05 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: have a lovely weekend!
[2008/07/05 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: and you
[2008/07/05 11:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks :)) you too


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