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RA Meeting 12 July 2008 - Transcript

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See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2007 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
Transcript of 12 July 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Neufreistadt Rathaus
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items

[2008/07/12 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont know where proust is even
[2008/07/12 9:16] Danton Sideways: You'll have to read the book :)
[2008/07/12 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: someone can read it to me
[2008/07/12 9:16] You: Folks, we are quorate, shall we get started? :)
[2008/07/12 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: may i have the link so i can sue you
[2008/07/12 9:16] Danton Sideways: Famous French novelist
[2008/07/12 9:16] Danton Sideways: I'll ask a 3d time - who's tried Lively?
[2008/07/12 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: yes sir jamie
[2008/07/12 9:16] ThePrincess Parisi: wtf is LIvely
[2008/07/12 9:16] Danton Sideways: Oops
[2008/07/12 9:17] Sonja Strom: I have tried Lively
[2008/07/12 9:17] You: agenda as proposed is here: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1951
[2008/07/12 9:17] MT Lundquist: is this like a knock knock joke
[2008/07/12 9:17] You: and it's a boring one, grin
[2008/07/12 9:17] Danton Sideways: who's there?
[2008/07/12 9:17] Sonja Strom: it is Google's new virtual world
[2008/07/12 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: me
[2008/07/12 9:17] You: thats for coming - this *might* be a short meeting
[2008/07/12 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: is it any good
[2008/07/12 9:17] Danton Sideways: laggy
[2008/07/12 9:17] Sonja Strom: I find it quite difficult to know how it works--
[2008/07/12 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: why will it be short.. we need to impeach the emporer
[2008/07/12 9:17] You: (there is a great blog review of Lively on Slashdot)
[2008/07/12 9:17] Sonja Strom: but it is very new
[2008/07/12 9:17] ThePrincess Parisi: mt has a bill
[2008/07/12 9:17] Danton Sideways: :D
[2008/07/12 9:18] You: Ah good :)
[2008/07/12 9:18] Sonja Strom: yes, let's tear down that Schloss!
[2008/07/12 9:18] MT Lundquist: news to me
[2008/07/12 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: he will discuss it for you...
[2008/07/12 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: mt the bill about investments
[2008/07/12 9:18] MT Lundquist: ok well not written but i can discuss
[2008/07/12 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: and i still want to impeach alexicon
[2008/07/12 9:18] You: OK then :) let's get the preliminarties out of the way
[2008/07/12 9:18] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you dear
[2008/07/12 9:19] You: 1a - please indicate your assent to the transcript by saying "I assent" (or leaving if you don't like being recorded :) ) . I assent.
[2008/07/12 9:19] Danton Sideways: I assent
[2008/07/12 9:19] MT Lundquist: i assent
[2008/07/12 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: i desent
[2008/07/12 9:19] ThePrincess Parisi: assend
[2008/07/12 9:19] You: 1b - agenda - I had just planned that we look at the pending commisions that have no delivered - and note the election schedule for the incoming RA. Prin you mentioned two other items: mor eon inpeachment? and something on investments?
[2008/07/12 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: what ever happened to the election reform committee
[2008/07/12 9:20] Bells Semyorka: i assent
[2008/07/12 9:20] ThePrincess Parisi: and where is the 4ths im
[2008/07/12 9:20] You: prin those are two godo Qs - and ON the agendaalready :) -- Is the "investment" thing something we can at least have a quick intro about MT?
[2008/07/12 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: tes
[2008/07/12 9:21] Sonja Strom: I assent
[2008/07/12 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: something nucare has been discussing for a while
[2008/07/12 9:21] MT Lundquist: yes just say when
[2008/07/12 9:21] Danton Sideways: Jamie's spelling is worse than usual
[2008/07/12 9:21] You: so we add "investment legislation proposal" as a brief discussion item after agenda item 2 maybe?
[2008/07/12 9:21] ThePrincess Parisi: dont upset him i dont wanna dress like a nun today
[2008/07/12 9:22] Danton Sideways: Hi Gwyn
[2008/07/12 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: gwennies here
[2008/07/12 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks Prin!
[2008/07/12 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: did you tell prok i said to f off
[2008/07/12 9:22] MT Lundquist: hi gwyn
[2008/07/12 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi all
[2008/07/12 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and no, prin lol
[2008/07/12 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: you never do anything i tell you
[2008/07/12 9:22] Jamie Palisades grins
[2008/07/12 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prok is a *friend*
[2008/07/12 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
[2008/07/12 9:22] You: OK, so, no other adds to the agenda, hmn?
[2008/07/12 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah so are we ::))
[2008/07/12 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: gwyen wants to probably
[2008/07/12 9:23] You: :)
[2008/07/12 9:23] You: 1c
[2008/07/12 9:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well not really...
[2008/07/12 9:23] You: Anyone else who plans to speak today other than RA members? Let uis know now and we'll reserve time.
[2008/07/12 9:23] Jamie Palisades looks around ... ?
[2008/07/12 9:24] You: Nope then :)
[2008/07/12 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: how do i look?
[2008/07/12 9:24] You: 1d
[2008/07/12 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: oh ok
[2008/07/12 9:24] You: wonderful :)
[2008/07/12 9:24] You: Routine notice: Please send me any corrections to the posted transcripts.
[2008/07/12 9:24] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you very much
[2008/07/12 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: i am already sad..i will miss harrassing you jamie
[2008/07/12 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: can i have your home no. rl?
[2008/07/12 9:25] You: And I like the new profile pic, Prin, but I *hope* you do not throw away that Garbo shot with the Jackie O shades
[2008/07/12 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/07/12 9:25] ThePrincess Parisi: ill send you your very own
[2008/07/12 9:25] You: that one was just "you" somehow, grin
[2008/07/12 9:25] You: cool
[2008/07/12 9:25] You: 1e
[2008/07/12 9:25] You: schedule
[2008/07/12 9:25] You: Note please the following:
[2008/07/12 9:26] You: 1. Scheduled RA meetings on 19 and 26 July, same time, 9 am SLT
[2008/07/12 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/07/12 9:26] You: 2. RA elections open today
[2008/07/12 9:26] You: 3. Ballot closes on the 19th
[2008/07/12 9:26] You: 4. As posted, Arria (who is PIO but a candidate) asked me to organize a debate
[2008/07/12 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: is jon running it?
[2008/07/12 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: and does he have a gag order if not we need to give him one
[2008/07/12 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: officially
[2008/07/12 9:27] You: (I think so yes Prin he made the machines again from what I hear)
[2008/07/12 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The voting booths? yes
[2008/07/12 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And he know his duty, Prin
[2008/07/12 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: hes seeing the votes come in
[2008/07/12 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: gwyen he didnt follow that laswt time.. dont make me go there
[2008/07/12 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll use duct tape this time :D
[2008/07/12 9:27] You: Debate will be either Thursday or Saturday - Not sure I get enough responses to be certain that all factions could attend, to do it this weekend
[2008/07/12 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: also on his mouth?
[2008/07/12 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn *chuckles*
[2008/07/12 9:28] You: (But no staring at Bells, she answered right away, as did several others)
[2008/07/12 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: bells is wonderful
[2008/07/12 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: What time did you suggest, jamie?
[2008/07/12 9:28] You: Duct tape? (Just remember the air holes - programmers who give us lots of free expert help need to breathe, too, hmn?)
[2008/07/12 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: do you know how many pictures of myself i have .. ?? still looking jamie
[2008/07/12 9:29] You: Gwyn, I suggested SLT morning time on Thurs or Saturday
[2008/07/12 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, like 10 or 11 am?
[2008/07/12 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok.
[2008/07/12 9:29] You: that too late for EU?
[2008/07/12 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: saturday i think is better
[2008/07/12 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No... too early! haha
[2008/07/12 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: and americans are at work on tursday
[2008/07/12 9:29] You: afrankly if it;s Satuday it;s the last poll day, a little futile
[2008/07/12 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Most Europeans should be as well :D
[2008/07/12 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, jamie
[2008/07/12 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: who needs debates the election is a joke
[2008/07/12 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It should have been today ;)
[2008/07/12 9:30] You: well I raised it here to get some more feedback, smile
[2008/07/12 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: three factions
[2008/07/12 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/07/12 9:30] You: do you think we should just go for tomorrow?
[2008/07/12 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: how about an informal one tomorrow
[2008/07/12 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah!
[2008/07/12 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie & Prin: yes!
[2008/07/12 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: catch and catch can
[2008/07/12 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd certainly love that!
[2008/07/12 9:30] You: Sonja, frankly, I did not get much of a reaction from DPU on times, unless I missed something
[2008/07/12 9:30] MT Lundquist: do tommorrow
[2008/07/12 9:31] You: we could indeed do tomorrow
[2008/07/12 9:31] You: I will put out some messages after this meeting, see if we can get bits - I know that Bells is rep'ing NuCare and can make it,.
[2008/07/12 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: we dont even have a citizen list
[2008/07/12 9:32] You: Hm. I think Justice is out tmrw - Gwyn I will contact you to see if we can confirm a CSDF participant, and Sonja, get your help with DPU, please
[2008/07/12 9:32] You: and Prin, I have seen one
[2008/07/12 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: can we have one that would help a little
[2008/07/12 9:33] You: (I starting asking, few day ago, to make sure SC was remembering to have voting booths setup, smile)
[2008/07/12 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: thanks
[2008/07/12 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: someone needs to care
[2008/07/12 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: i think CDS is at an all time apathetic high
[2008/07/12 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: or is it just me
[2008/07/12 9:33] You: Hm - can the voting roll be public? I don't know offhand but would *think* so. Will ask those who know.
[2008/07/12 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, ok
[2008/07/12 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: it should be public
[2008/07/12 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: sudane is supposed to be publishing it
[2008/07/12 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2008/07/12 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: monthly i think
[2008/07/12 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes...
[2008/07/12 9:34] You: I agree. There were some forum posts about this too. We rely on factions for CDS politcs, (small ironic smile) and many of them seem moribund :)
[2008/07/12 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: what does that mean?
[2008/07/12 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: dead
[2008/07/12 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: we arent!
[2008/07/12 9:35] You: I have not seen many platforms this time for example - but maybe that's partially because there are only 7 standing for 7 seats?
[2008/07/12 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: six
[2008/07/12 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: six for seven seats.. says a lot
[2008/07/12 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: bromo dropped
[2008/07/12 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that what was meant is that the factions were not always available for public debate (either on the forums or in-world)
[2008/07/12 9:36] ThePrincess Parisi: fewer candidates than seats
[2008/07/12 9:36] You: this is not really on agenda but seemed worth the chatt - maybe have exhausted it for now though
[2008/07/12 9:36] ThePrincess Parisi: now thats a fine statement
[2008/07/12 9:36] ThePrincess Parisi: we needed that sim .. but sudane didnt want it so she killed it
[2008/07/12 9:36] You: did he? Missed that pot - wellanyway : the way we work, factions still care about the vote bcause their relative ranking may determine who gets LRA, right?
[2008/07/12 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: he did in my opinion
[2008/07/12 9:37] You: (for now, smile)
[2008/07/12 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: moving on
[2008/07/12 9:37] You: I appreciate the input on the debates a LOT, and WILL try for tomorrow then
[2008/07/12 9:37] You: 1f
[2008/07/12 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: i have to go shopping then
[2008/07/12 9:38] You: any agenda consent items? I have none
[2008/07/12 9:39] You: then we have item 2 - quick survey of the outstanding commissions -- then added items 2 1/2 (investment bill) and 2 3/4 (any more motions by Prin on Alexi and reimbursements)
[2008/07/12 9:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (quick interruption: the citizen list is here: http://tospitimou.com/cds/list.php )
[2008/07/12 9:39] You: so
[2008/07/12 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you
[2008/07/12 9:39] You: let's do those commissions, see if our remaining work's going to be finished up well :)
[2008/07/12 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh* yes
[2008/07/12 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn blames herself again
[2008/07/12 9:40] You: Elections first. Let me note what I do know
[2008/07/12 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[2008/07/12 9:40] You: 1. We had one Beathan I *think* chaired it.
[2008/07/12 9:41] You: 2. It was going to report something out in time to affect this current election nad did not.
[2008/07/12 9:42] You: (We'd have needed to enact anything a month or so ago to have it govern this election, I thnk.)
[2008/07/12 9:42] You: 3. Finally, we also had a perfectly good citizen's bill from Patroklus Murakami on election reform
[2008/07/12 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi chokes
[2008/07/12 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: would you prefer fried chicken legs or wings for dinner?......100 percent of the pop likes fried chicken for dinner in a pp poll
[2008/07/12 9:44] You: we didn't bring it to a debate or vote here yet - I have no view on it really - but to be fair, RA' schedule and Pat's did not bring us together in time to consider it for THIS election
[2008/07/12 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: too bad
[2008/07/12 9:45] ThePrincess Parisi: and may i say that a fellow faction not represented here is campaigning on a platform that we move too quickly
[2008/07/12 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
[2008/07/12 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we do move too quickly?!
[2008/07/12 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ^^
[2008/07/12 9:46] ThePrincess Parisi: that the cds govt moves too fast
[2008/07/12 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In what universe might that be? :)
[2008/07/12 9:46] ThePrincess Parisi: we need to slow down , per my understanding of rubyiat but ask him
[2008/07/12 9:46] ThePrincess Parisi: he hasnt visited cds from what i can tell lately.. please ask hm what he means though... i might have misunderstood
[2008/07/12 9:47] You: hm :) I think Sonja and Rubaiyat are in the same faction, no?
[2008/07/12 9:47] ThePrincess Parisi: oh i forgot
[2008/07/12 9:47] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja do you know what he means that we are too fast. so should i say : slow govt is good govt
[2008/07/12 9:47] Sonja Strom: I do not know.
[2008/07/12 9:48] You: so as to the election commission, smile, I will ask Pat again i he wishes to bring it no, but my sense is that election reform likely will wait for the next RA
[2008/07/12 9:48] ThePrincess Parisi: he said that in his platform
[2008/07/12 9:48] You: Prin? Can we hold off on the campaign stuff and talk about the commissions for now?
[2008/07/12 9:48] ThePrincess Parisi: sure
[2008/07/12 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: hi fem.. assent
[2008/07/12 9:49] Feminist Expedition: i assent
[2008/07/12 9:49] You: OK. Anything else on elections ? Anyone want to suggest we press on with somethign in July? If not let's move on
[2008/07/12 9:50] You: (Hi Femi, thanks)
[2008/07/12 9:50] Feminist Expedition: :)
[2008/07/12 9:50] MT Lundquist: hi fem
[2008/07/12 9:50] You: Next commission
[2008/07/12 9:52] You: Gwyn? The unnamed "ethics & miscellany" group - I recall that some of us had bills :) but we sent it to you for a bit, which time has I think expired?
[2008/07/12 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye, I know :P
[2008/07/12 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's all my fault really
[2008/07/12 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I guess I'm too optimistic about having time during the week
[2008/07/12 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So either we can find some time for that on the weekend, or I'm afraid I won't be able to help on that
[2008/07/12 9:53] You: well let me ask a practical question
[2008/07/12 9:54] You: This RA will only have a few more chances to act
[2008/07/12 9:54] ThePrincess Parisi: when are we going to impeach alexicon
[2008/07/12 9:54] You: hm - well when you have the right number of votes and it's on the agenda :)
[2008/07/12 9:54] ThePrincess Parisi: shall we
[2008/07/12 9:55] You: staying with the agenda for the moment:)
[2008/07/12 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/07/12 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: ok its awfully slow
[2008/07/12 9:55] You: As to the 'ethics' commisson, it mostly was about conflicts of interest
[2008/07/12 9:56] ThePrincess Parisi: and did we ever vote on that bill?
[2008/07/12 9:56] You: so
[2008/07/12 9:56] You: does anyone plan to try to bring a bill on that to the RA BEFORE our term is up?
[2008/07/12 9:57] You: We did not, Prin, it was all referred to a commission which has not met
[2008/07/12 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed :P
[2008/07/12 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: as said, I do apologise
[2008/07/12 9:58] MT Lundquist: web love
[2008/07/12 9:59] You: for now, let's keep on the positive side -- it is my view that we are unlikely to get legislation about this to the table for action in the next 2 weeks
[2008/07/12 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh I agree
[2008/07/12 10:00] You: and while I regret that, I do NOT regard it as a urgent sort of issue :) unlike two others I will mention in a few moments
[2008/07/12 10:00] You: so next commission :)
[2008/07/12 10:01] You: Statutory revision
[2008/07/12 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Isn't that the same one? :D
[2008/07/12 10:01] You: here I am happy to say that they DID deliver
[2008/07/12 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah
[2008/07/12 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and what are the results?
[2008/07/12 10:01] You: No :) this is Brian's older project
[2008/07/12 10:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh ok
[2008/07/12 10:01] You: to weed out and identify expired statutes
[2008/07/12 10:02] You: and he has posted results
[2008/07/12 10:02] You: .. and I would very much like ...
[2008/07/12 10:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: to review them and move to approve? :D
[2008/07/12 10:02] You: .. us to turn over a nice, cleaner slate to the next RA. So ...
[2008/07/12 10:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be nice :D
[2008/07/12 10:03] You: I plan to add a few bits of enacting text to the already-posted material ...
[2008/07/12 10:03] You: .. and bring it for approval next week.
[2008/07/12 10:04] You: Frankly I do not think there is much of controversy tehre
[2008/07/12 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right.
[2008/07/12 10:04] You: it's just a big, long-overdue clean up job
[2008/07/12 10:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* and agrees
[2008/07/12 10:04] You: now - another commission
[2008/07/12 10:05] You: which the RA gave to me to chair 1 or 2 meetings ago, and has an August reporting date
[2008/07/12 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok....
[2008/07/12 10:05] You: is the question of corporate entities
[2008/07/12 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aha!
[2008/07/12 10:05] You: which Prin and Beathan and others have raised from time to time
[2008/07/12 10:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: According to the old CDS incorporation act?
[2008/07/12 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi is very interested
[2008/07/12 10:06] You: so I'm glad we can take in on finally :)
[2008/07/12 10:06] You: Gwyn we have a free hand to examine that as among the solutions grin
[2008/07/12 10:06] You: so be advised ...
[2008/07/12 10:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-)
[2008/07/12 10:07] You: I plan to hold afirst meeting next Saturday after RA
[2008/07/12 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah which is always hard for me
[2008/07/12 10:07] You: and will post some material for discussion before then, smile
[2008/07/12 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn cries
[2008/07/12 10:07] You: eh?
[2008/07/12 10:07] You: well :) we can meet more than once and shan't be done right away
[2008/07/12 10:07] You: now
[2008/07/12 10:08] You: finally
[2008/07/12 10:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (all right)
[2008/07/12 10:08] You: :) no chat about commissions would be complete in my mind without noting
[2008/07/12 10:08] You: that we had two very SUCCESSFUL ones
[2008/07/12 10:08] You: MT's commerce work and Beathan's PDP development work
[2008/07/12 10:09] ThePrincess Parisi: hear hear
[2008/07/12 10:09] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/07/12 10:09] MT Lundquist: thanks to all who took part
[2008/07/12 10:09] You: and I expect CDS will be significantly improved by the bills that we've adopted based on their good work
[2008/07/12 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn applauds as well
[2008/07/12 10:09] You: and thre's more to do there, too, so we should keep an eye on their implementation, smile
[2008/07/12 10:10] You: I do have on final comment about commissions
[2008/07/12 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: as well as the guided tour implementation
[2008/07/12 10:10] MT Lundquist: there is a cds chamber of commerce group now
[2008/07/12 10:10] MT Lundquist: i suggest we invite all cds traders to it
[2008/07/12 10:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good :)
[2008/07/12 10:10] ThePrincess Parisi: who is leading it? where do we go?
[2008/07/12 10:10] MT Lundquist: thats for the chamber to decide at its first meeting i guess
[2008/07/12 10:10] Jamie Palisades holds up to listen
[2008/07/12 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: when do they meet?
[2008/07/12 10:11] You: MT who is organizing that?
[2008/07/12 10:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is that chamber already chartered?
[2008/07/12 10:11] MT Lundquist: well i can initially
[2008/07/12 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: no
[2008/07/12 10:11] You: Glad to hear it, but needs some kind of publuc notice etc.
[2008/07/12 10:11] MT Lundquist: then i guess it will have its own life
[2008/07/12 10:11] You: Gwyn we have approved it in the bill, but it need to get kicked off
[2008/07/12 10:12] You: hm
[2008/07/12 10:12] You: MT, let me confer with you this week informally to take a few small steps to make sure it has its proper first meeting, a notice, etc etc
[2008/07/12 10:12] You: (sorry typos galore)
[2008/07/12 10:13] ThePrincess Parisi: ty
[2008/07/12 10:13] MT Lundquist: ok jamie
[2008/07/12 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/12 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well yes, that sounds very reasonable
[2008/07/12 10:14] You: let's get it up and running before our term's over, grin - just in case anyone raises the issue, I assume the CofC will elect its own officers, but can we agree here to ask M T as the bill's author to act as its convenor?
[2008/07/12 10:14] MT Lundquist: happy to do that initially
[2008/07/12 10:14] Danton Sideways: Was it the obligation to have to some level of visitor count that was finally decided upon?
[2008/07/12 10:15] MT Lundquist: no
[2008/07/12 10:15] You: excellent :) any other members with thoughts about commissions? I have one more, but have been talking too much :D
[2008/07/12 10:15] MT Lundquist: or rather yes decided
[2008/07/12 10:15] MT Lundquist: no to count
[2008/07/12 10:15] Jamie Palisades nods
[2008/07/12 10:15] MT Lundquist: your place is safe danton
[2008/07/12 10:15] MT Lundquist: but it always was
[2008/07/12 10:15] Danton Sideways: :)
[2008/07/12 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/07/12 10:17] You: so :)
[2008/07/12 10:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its about helping ppl not stealing
[2008/07/12 10:18] You: No more comments on commissions then?
[2008/07/12 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: nope
[2008/07/12 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn can only add her congratulations on the good work done by some of the comissions, and blame herself for the bad work done on others :(
[2008/07/12 10:18] You: then one last word from me :) and thx for your patience
[2008/07/12 10:19] You: *if* I can deliver on time on the one I have now (corporate) ... it is my plan to ask the NEW RA to create a commission on CDS environmental concerns. We have a wealth of talent here, rally an unusual opportunity, and even there are some strong possible connections between geology and ecology and our sim development choices.
[2008/07/12 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/07/12 10:19] You: Just a notice of intent, no action needed at this time.
[2008/07/12 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you know, the CSDF will be happy to second that proposal any time :)
[2008/07/12 10:20] You: so much for agenda item 2 then:)
[2008/07/12 10:20] You: we added a 2.5:
[2008/07/12 10:21] You: MT's notice of ideas about an 'investments' bill?
[crash interruption]
[2008/07/12 10:29] MT Lundquist: as Jamies not back
[2008/07/12 10:29] MT Lundquist: what is the next agenda item
[2008/07/12 10:29] MT Lundquist: ah Jamie
[2008/07/12 10:29] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/07/12 10:30] MT Lundquist: wb
[2008/07/12 10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb :)
[2008/07/12 10:30] You: Sorry, bad crashies
[2008/07/12 10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye it happens :/
[2008/07/12 10:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the grid went through an upgrade and a downgrade in such a little time, no wonder it's unstable :D
[2008/07/12 10:31] You: did I miss anything I need to know, folks? :)
[2008/07/12 10:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we were just discussing MT's proposed bill
[2008/07/12 10:31] MT Lundquist: i agreed, Jamie, to write a bill for next week proposing to have CDS invest its reserves in a safe account to geneerate interest
[2008/07/12 10:31] You: Ah good
[2008/07/12 10:31] You: not much different than what any trustee would be required to do
[2008/07/12 10:32] MT Lundquist: exactly
[2008/07/12 10:32] You: so that cover's item "2 1/2"
[2008/07/12 10:33] You: hm - we were as item #3 going to talk briefly about sim 4 update, but also, Prin, did you have more on the Alexi/reimbursements business? I think we amended that into the agenda now, before #3.
[2008/07/12 10:34] MT Lundquist: you may need to come back to that, think shes on a phone call rl
[2008/07/12 10:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh... :)
[2008/07/12 10:34] You: Ok
[2008/07/12 10:34] You: Let's do 3 then, and come back
[2008/07/12 10:34] You: :) 3 may be brief
[2008/07/12 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/12 10:35] You: We noted in our last two meetings that the Chancellor is apparently empowered to authorize the sim purchase himself .. and we have done all the legislating needed to support it.
[2008/07/12 10:35] You: Final land prices for the sim also must be set - but ditto - he can if we do not.
[2008/07/12 10:36] You: SO where we left this was with the Guild plannig to sit down with Alexi and make it happen.
[2008/07/12 10:36] You: We did try to agree on prices ourselves, but ...
[2008/07/12 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2008/07/12 10:36] ThePrincess Parisi: humph..
[2008/07/12 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wasn't there an agreement?
[2008/07/12 10:36] You: there was significant opposition, as I recall, from FlyingRoc and Sonja to the propossed prices offered by the Guild report.
[2008/07/12 10:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: *sigh*
[2008/07/12 10:37] You: So we did not act.
[2008/07/12 10:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And what did the Chancellor decide?
[2008/07/12 10:38] Sonja Strom: I would like to make it clear I was not in opposition, but simply not ready to vote yes due to my colleagues' concerns not being answered.
[2008/07/12 10:38] ThePrincess Parisi: i see
[2008/07/12 10:38] You: Fair enough :) where we are now is this: we must either
[2008/07/12 10:38] You: (a) wait for the Chancellor to act or
[2008/07/12 10:38] You: (b) set prices ourselves
[2008/07/12 10:38] You: any views?
[2008/07/12 10:38] ThePrincess Parisi: when did they are will he buy the sim
[2008/07/12 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2008/07/12 10:39] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont think waiting for the chancelor to act is good.. lets impeach him instead
[2008/07/12 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I definitely was fine with the Guild prices...
[2008/07/12 10:39] MT Lundquist: does anyone have the link?
[2008/07/12 10:39] ThePrincess Parisi: another ever long list of reasons to cut him
[2008/07/12 10:39] You: let's do impeachment as an agenda item after the sim 4 chat :)
[2008/07/12 10:40] You: link to what MT?
[2008/07/12 10:40] MT Lundquist: the prices
[2008/07/12 10:40] MT Lundquist: or a notecard
[2008/07/12 10:40] You: ah hang on - looking at old minutes
[2008/07/12 10:42] You: OK here is the RA transcript ...
[2008/07/12 10:42] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1908
[2008/07/12 10:42] You: and ...
[2008/07/12 10:42] MT Lundquist: ty
[2008/07/12 10:43] You: here :)
[2008/07/12 10:43] You: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... =15#p11397
[2008/07/12 10:43] You: That was Sudane's pricing schedule which the Guild recommended, and we voted on but did not pass, at our meeting on the 7th June.
[2008/07/12 10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It did not pass?
[2008/07/12 10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2008/07/12 10:44] You: You can see from the transcript (first URI)
[2008/07/12 10:44] You: it was introduced at 11:29
[2008/07/12 10:44] You: and voted down . hm .
[2008/07/12 10:45] You: 2-2-0 at 11:57
[2008/07/12 10:45] You: there were some people eligible to cast a 7 day ballot but they did not.
[2008/07/12 10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn worries if she's guilty
[2008/07/12 10:45] You: hm. Not in that sense
[2008/07/12 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: you are
[2008/07/12 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: just assume you are always
[2008/07/12 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/12 10:46] You: On that motion, Gwyneth, you and I voted yes, Sonja and FR voted no, and BV, MT and TPP were absent.
[2008/07/12 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: you're right, I was just looking at it now
[2008/07/12 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So
[2008/07/12 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: i was never absent
[2008/07/12 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There is a constitutional issue here :)
[2008/07/12 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Is the RA allowed to approve prices (even assuming we did)
[2008/07/12 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or only the Chancellor can set them?
[2008/07/12 10:47] You: oh? How so Gwyn? (Noting that we have not acted)
[2008/07/12 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, so it's hypothetical anyway
[2008/07/12 10:48] You: Gwyn it's my take that we can constraint executive acts with legislation if we choose - unless the constitution makes some explicit pieces of chancellor's powers "hands off" to RA
[2008/07/12 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, the old "it's allowed if it's not explicitly forbidden" rule.
[2008/07/12 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, we have a common law system in the CDS; so, yes, you're right.
[2008/07/12 10:49] Jamie Palisades smiles
[2008/07/12 10:49] You: is there anything else to do about sim 4 right now, from the RA's perspecive?
[2008/07/12 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi: only i told you so
[2008/07/12 10:50] You: we have a few minutes left - I want us to get to Prin's other agenda item
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Whip the Chancellor until he orders it to be bought?
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've heard that it would only be bought on August 2,
[2008/07/12 10:50] ThePrincess Parisi: i think just impeach him works fine
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and the "launch party" would be on the last two weeks of AUgust
[2008/07/12 10:50] You: Whatever is August 2? The Ides of Caledon or something?
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Jamie
[2008/07/12 10:50] DivineLolita Demonia: heya :)
[2008/07/12 10:50] MT Lundquist: didnt know you were into BDSM Gwyn
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well I'm quoting dates on top of my head
[2008/07/12 10:50] Sonja Strom: hi Divine :-)
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (hi Divine!!!)
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, lol
[2008/07/12 10:52] You: so
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Re: RA Meeting 12 July 2008 - Transcript (part 2)

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[continued from prior post]

[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (hi Divine!!!)
[2008/07/12 10:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, lol
[2008/07/12 10:52] You: so
[2008/07/12 10:52] You: Prin: you asked us to return to the issue of Alexi and reimbursements
[2008/07/12 10:52] You: let;'s get to that item, hm?
[2008/07/12 10:52] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/12 10:52] You: What I recall is that, at last meeting, he was going to get the tour vehicle info from you and cause it to be purchased. Do I have that right?
[2008/07/12 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: that was my understanding of what he said
[2008/07/12 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: now ask me do i haev it and is it running
[2008/07/12 10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now.... the only thing *I* know,
[2008/07/12 10:53] ThePrincess Parisi: or does anyone have it
[2008/07/12 10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is that Alex does not want a non-transfer item to be given to any citizen
[2008/07/12 10:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So
[2008/07/12 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: This means that either we find a copyable or transferable item to act as tourist guide,
[2008/07/12 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or Alex will not allow that.
[2008/07/12 10:54] ThePrincess Parisi: he doesnt have that authority
[2008/07/12 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, he sustains his right to boycott that
[2008/07/12 10:54] ThePrincess Parisi: the RA approved it
[2008/07/12 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in two ways
[2008/07/12 10:54] ThePrincess Parisi: good then i sustain my right to impeach him
[2008/07/12 10:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One, the Chancellor can veto *anything* that comes from the RA
[2008/07/12 10:54] Jamie Palisades listens
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: well not totally gwyen
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Two, he has been given strict orders
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that ALL content bought by the CDS
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: he cannot veto a vote that was unanimous
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: you are wrong
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: zn and it was
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is to be delivered to the Content Archivist, one copy
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: gwyen you are wrong
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin, he can :)
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We *can* override the veto though!
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: no he cant he can only veto the
[2008/07/12 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi: not if the vote was unanimous
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: He can veto any bill that affects his
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but
[2008/07/12 10:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we can then move to override the veto.
[2008/07/12 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So it's a two step process. The number of original votes is irrelevant.
[2008/07/12 10:56] ThePrincess Parisi: the vote for the guided tour was unanimous by the last session of RA
[2008/07/12 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes.
[2008/07/12 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It was.
[2008/07/12 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now there is a process to get that done
[2008/07/12 10:57] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont think you are right though i dont think he can veto unanimous votes
[2008/07/12 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm personally unclear about the process, I *thought* the point of having a Chancellor is that *he* would figure out the details of getting a device and installing it, or whatever it takes
[2008/07/12 10:57] ThePrincess Parisi: but not change the vote of the RA
[2008/07/12 10:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That was my understanding, but the Executive does not quite agree....
[2008/07/12 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: well Prin...
[2008/07/12 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we passed a bill
[2008/07/12 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: he cannot veto a unanimous vote, only one that is not unanimous
[2008/07/12 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the number of votes is irrelevant really
[2008/07/12 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: we passed two
[2008/07/12 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: you are wrong
[2008/07/12 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That rule is not there!
[2008/07/12 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: i call for the constitution to be read not the authority of you my dear
[2008/07/12 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: you are NOT the authority of CDS
[2008/07/12 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: so dont spout off like you are
[2008/07/12 10:59] ThePrincess Parisi: i want to see the constitution
[2008/07/12 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: "The Chancellor shall have the power to veto any act of the Representative Assembly, except any bill to remove the Chancellor from office. The Representative Assembly may override a veto with a vote by at least a two-thirds majority."
[2008/07/12 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So he vetos, we override.... it's simple
[2008/07/12 10:59] ThePrincess Parisi: imma look myself
[2008/07/12 10:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure :D
[2008/07/12 11:00] ThePrincess Parisi: well do we have two thirds here?
[2008/07/12 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn counts
[2008/07/12 11:00] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/07/12 11:00] ThePrincess Parisi: this is absurd.. why would he stop this my god it costs 4k
[2008/07/12 11:00] ThePrincess Parisi: its a few dollars
[2008/07/12 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Because he has orders
[2008/07/12 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that all content
[2008/07/12 11:00] ThePrincess Parisi: orders from who?
[2008/07/12 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: has to be copied and given to the Content Archivist
[2008/07/12 11:00] ThePrincess Parisi: if it were something expensive i can see why
[2008/07/12 11:00] ThePrincess Parisi: so buy two ffs
[2008/07/12 11:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well I guess he could have TWO
[2008/07/12 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: its not even 4k its k
[2008/07/12 11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol yes
[2008/07/12 11:01] Danton Sideways: Gotta go everyone, bye
[2008/07/12 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: it is three K
[2008/07/12 11:01] MT Lundquist: bye danton
[2008/07/12 11:01] You: so, kids, where do we want to go with this? Let's talk action items. It's 11 am SLT
[2008/07/12 11:01] Sonja Strom: bye Danton
[2008/07/12 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: not even four.. but they authorized four to have extras... its three K lindens
[2008/07/12 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: do you know how much money that is and how much this has HURT CDS
[2008/07/12 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: why?
[2008/07/12 11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
[2008/07/12 11:01] ThePrincess Parisi: for him to make a point when he didnt do anything else this term
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: for 3k lindens
[2008/07/12 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin, what you suggest is *more than reasonable*
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: how many usd is that
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: ffs
[2008/07/12 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine with approving two copies
[2008/07/12 11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: or three, or whatever it takes
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: give me a break
[2008/07/12 11:02] MT Lundquist: $10 us
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: impeach his sorry ..........
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: for ten dollars us w ehave cost us so much enhancement of our community
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: people were excited
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: they wanted to do the tour
[2008/07/12 11:02] ThePrincess Parisi: symo made us a vehicle
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: we were bonded
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: for ten dollars!
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: we spend that on coffee!
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: ok coffe and a crousiant
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: croisannt
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: w/e
[2008/07/12 11:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I stand by my words of last week, I dont think that this "blocking" has been reasonable at all
[2008/07/12 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie is stalling
[2008/07/12 11:04] ThePrincess Parisi: i move we vote to IMPEACH NOW
[2008/07/12 11:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I understand and respect Alex's argumentation
[2008/07/12 11:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but
[2008/07/12 11:04] You: am I ? :) What would you like to do?
[2008/07/12 11:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I *personally* would expect a Chancellor to come up with solutions,
[2008/07/12 11:04] ThePrincess Parisi: IMPEACH FFS
[2008/07/12 11:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: not "roadblocks"
[2008/07/12 11:04] You: Ah a motion :) THAT I know how to handle, dear
[2008/07/12 11:04] ThePrincess Parisi: for a point
[2008/07/12 11:05] You: ahem we have a motion. So I will ask for a second, then as it's 11 am for a 15 minute time extention
[2008/07/12 11:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, can we add a "request to the Chancellor" before that?
[2008/07/12 11:05] You: does prin's motion have a second?
[2008/07/12 11:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's not even a bill
[2008/07/12 11:05] ThePrincess Parisi: NOOOO
[2008/07/12 11:05] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, lol
[2008/07/12 11:05] ThePrincess Parisi: its been now a mont since we asked him ffs
[2008/07/12 11:05] You: um and does prin's skirt have a color chart? (sorry)
[2008/07/12 11:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All right, I was *trying* to get a compromise
[2008/07/12 11:06] ThePrincess Parisi: we compromised too much already
[2008/07/12 11:06] You: so kids :) we are over time for today. We can continue IF there is a SECOND to the motion AND we agree to go on for 15 more minutes.
[2008/07/12 11:06] MT Lundquist: second
[2008/07/12 11:07] You: Ah there's half of what I need :) thanks
[2008/07/12 11:07] You: now
[2008/07/12 11:07] Sonja Strom: agree
[2008/07/12 11:07] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you very much
[2008/07/12 11:07] You: any objections until continuing until 1120 for now? SLT
[2008/07/12 11:07] ThePrincess Parisi: please not me
[2008/07/12 11:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine
[2008/07/12 11:07] MT Lundquist: i can do 10 mins
[2008/07/12 11:07] MT Lundquist: no more
[2008/07/12 11:07] ThePrincess Parisi: no longer than that but thats ok
[2008/07/12 11:08] You: Gwyn, do we have a web-accessible constitution at the moment?
[2008/07/12 11:08] You: I'm not seeing one
[2008/07/12 11:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: vaguely...
[2008/07/12 11:08] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie
[2008/07/12 11:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://neufreistadt.info/id25.html
[2008/07/12 11:08] ThePrincess Parisi: 1. vote to impeach
[2008/07/12 11:08] ThePrincess Parisi: and 2.
[2008/07/12 11:08] ThePrincess Parisi: count
[2008/07/12 11:09] ThePrincess Parisi: well....
[2008/07/12 11:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not impeach --” removal from office
[2008/07/12 11:09] ThePrincess Parisi: ok fine remove him from office .. as if he ever had one
[2008/07/12 11:09] Jamie Palisades looks at the constitution for a second
[2008/07/12 11:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: as per "7. The Chancellor may be removed from office prior to the expiration of the term of office by at least a two thirds vote of the Representative Assembly."
[2008/07/12 11:09] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you gwyen
[2008/07/12 11:10] You: yup
[2008/07/12 11:11] You: 2/3rds of 7 requires 5 votes
[2008/07/12 11:11] MT Lundquist: k
[2008/07/12 11:11] ThePrincess Parisi: i count five
[2008/07/12 11:12] You: I can tell you that personally I'm willing to consider this, after debate, IF we have the precise cause spelled out, and ...
[2008/07/12 11:12] ThePrincess Parisi: dont you read and watch what goes on
[2008/07/12 11:12] ThePrincess Parisi: you need a cause
[2008/07/12 11:12] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/12 11:13] You: .. if we've given him adequate notice that this is happening. I think an impeachment without a heads-up would be a bad idea - maybe even something the SC could undo.
[2008/07/12 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that there is no "precise cause" but an accumulated 6-months of inability to comply with the RA's requests, Jamie
[2008/07/12 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh no, it's just removal from office, not impeachment
[2008/07/12 11:13] You: Well, Gwyn, that might be your cause right there.
[2008/07/12 11:13] ThePrincess Parisi: the guided tour alone! do you know what that cost us as sims.
[2008/07/12 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: to vote for impeachment, this would need to be done at the SC level, but we can certainly do that as well
[2008/07/12 11:13] You: Hm, yes, OK, I see the nomenclature, it is a removal.
[2008/07/12 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in that case, the SC would hold an impeachment court
[2008/07/12 11:13] ThePrincess Parisi: removal
[2008/07/12 11:14] ThePrincess Parisi: we have waited too long!
[2008/07/12 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: An impeachment, in my view, would mean that Alex was maliciously trying to counter our requests and damaging/hurting the citizens directly
[2008/07/12 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I just see a certain hmmmm let's say "slowness" in compliance :)
[2008/07/12 11:14] ThePrincess Parisi: i can make a case for that too
[2008/07/12 11:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: More than enough to warrant a removal from office,
[2008/07/12 11:14] You: How would the rest of you feel about this alternative:
[2008/07/12 11:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: but I don't see it as being "malicious"
[2008/07/12 11:15] You: We adopt a resolution this week indicating that if by next Saturday we do not have (list of thigns) (will type that up next), we plan to remove him from office at that meeting?
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: he spent his first month trying to get PAID to be chancelloor
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: we already did that
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie we did that the past two weeks
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: get on the ball
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: im not ok with any more chances
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: how long have we been doing this? MONTHS
[2008/07/12 11:15] You: I agree that we threatened, somewhat, or at least individual RA members did.
[2008/07/12 11:15] Sonja Strom: Is this in discussion now?
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: i have been asking YOU for months
[2008/07/12 11:15] You: Sonja, I think we need to hear from you too here.
[2008/07/12 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: months ago you asked him about the reimbursements you told me
[2008/07/12 11:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sonja, yes, I understand this will be the last discussion. After all, the motion IS on the table and seconded.
[2008/07/12 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: i will be very upset if you delay this any more
[2008/07/12 11:16] You: (those would be hob-nailed, politician-stomping boots, Prin?)
[2008/07/12 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: the fact you ran against him dont worry jamie, no one will think bad of you
[2008/07/12 11:16] Sonja Strom: Oh, I thought the motion was to extend the meeting time.
[2008/07/12 11:16] Jamie Palisades waits to hear Sonja's take
[2008/07/12 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: i made a mistake
[2008/07/12 11:17] Sonja Strom: I have a couple of questions.
[2008/07/12 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: and yes
[2008/07/12 11:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That was the second motion1
[2008/07/12 11:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure!
[2008/07/12 11:17] You: No, Sonja, we have a motion and second to remove the chancellor from office for repeated delays to respond .
[2008/07/12 11:17] Sonja Strom: ok
[2008/07/12 11:17] Sonja Strom: How much longer would it be until the next RA takes office?
[2008/07/12 11:18] You: (Section 7 of Amendment 11 to constitution, at http://neufreistadt.info/id25.html)
[2008/07/12 11:18] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja don't do that .. we need tomake a point that CDS is a serious endeavor
[2008/07/12 11:18] You: Our last meeting is in 2 weeks.
[2008/07/12 11:18] ThePrincess Parisi: dont just let this slide
[2008/07/12 11:18] You: First week in August, new RA.
[2008/07/12 11:18] ThePrincess Parisi: if a person can't do the job then they needn't volunteer
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: why do you ask how much longer?
[2008/07/12 11:19] Sonja Strom: So, unless the next RA wants Symo to continue as Chancellor, he has 3 weeks remaining for his term?
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: Symo?
[2008/07/12 11:19] You: hm Alexicon is chancellor :)
[2008/07/12 11:19] Sonja Strom: Sorry, Alexicon I meant
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/12 11:19] You: Alexicon Kurka? You voted for him :)
[2008/07/12 11:19] Sonja Strom: one of the Kurka family ;-)
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: yes but we need action
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: true sonja
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: andhe didnt do his job sonja
[2008/07/12 11:19] Sonja Strom: I apologise to everybody for my mistake.
[2008/07/12 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: no worries
[2008/07/12 11:20] Sonja Strom: I was thinking of Alexicon Kurka, but spoke of Symo Kurka.
[2008/07/12 11:20] ThePrincess Parisi: ok no problem
[2008/07/12 11:20] You: and in direct answer to your question, Sonja; yes. 3 weeks or so.
[2008/07/12 11:20] You: and by the way I assume we have to replace him too, if we do that.
[2008/07/12 11:20] ThePrincess Parisi: we need to remove him from office, mainly to show that one cannot just take things for granted and make the rest of him suffer
[2008/07/12 11:21] Sonja Strom: Another question is, do we have others who want to be Chancellor for these last 2 weeks of this term?
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: we can do that
[2008/07/12 11:21] You: anyone got a chancellor in their pocket?
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: i can find one
[2008/07/12 11:21] Sonja Strom: hihi
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie
[2008/07/12 11:21] Sonja Strom: TP has one
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: gywen
[2008/07/12 11:21] You: I agree we have the legal power Prin, not a problem to just vote one in.
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: justice
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: how also ran
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: who ?
[2008/07/12 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: justice can do it
[2008/07/12 11:22] ThePrincess Parisi: anyone would do a better job in my opinion
[2008/07/12 11:22] Sonja Strom: If we wanted to appoint another Chancellor, should we hold debates again?
[2008/07/12 11:22] ThePrincess Parisi: how about PIO
[2008/07/12 11:22] ThePrincess Parisi: who is next in line
[2008/07/12 11:23] ThePrincess Parisi: would you do it jamie? the RA elects chancellor so its no big deal
[2008/07/12 11:23] Sonja Strom: Would the next Chancellor be able to accomplish much in one or two weeks of being in office?
[2008/07/12 11:23] You: as we're over the extended time, can I ask, are we going to act today? Sonja, are you prepared to vote?
[2008/07/12 11:23] ThePrincess Parisi: we dont need debates for that sonja we can just talk t o them
[2008/07/12 11:23] ThePrincess Parisi: its a message sonja
[2008/07/12 11:23] ThePrincess Parisi: we can get a chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:23] ThePrincess Parisi: i am ready
[2008/07/12 11:23] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/07/12 11:24] You: This really comes down to the issue Prin and Sonja are discussing: do we want to swat Alexi for nonresponsiveness, and have the bother of an interim? Or not?
[2008/07/12 11:24] ThePrincess Parisi: anyone would accomplish something
[2008/07/12 11:24] Sonja Strom: No, my questions have not been answered to a level where I am prepared to vote to remove the current Chancellor from office.
[2008/07/12 11:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (sorry for being away, since we're running late, I'm trying to get ready to go out lol )
[2008/07/12 11:24] You: np Gwyn
[2008/07/12 11:24] ThePrincess Parisi: what other questions do you have
[2008/07/12 11:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well I can only answer on procedural things: voting in on a new Chancellor can be done by the RA at any time
[2008/07/12 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it could even be done today, lol
[2008/07/12 11:25] You: Sonja, thanks for being clear that does help us make progress. Since we know we do not have 5 votes today, I suggest that we plan to continue it as the first item next week.
[2008/07/12 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: As if they could accomplish anything in two weeks...
[2008/07/12 11:25] Sonja Strom: If we wanted to appoint another Chancellor, should we hold debates again?
[2008/07/12 11:25] ThePrincess Parisi: we dont need debates
[2008/07/12 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My feeling is "No" but that certainly depends on who becomes a new Chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:25] ThePrincess Parisi: anyone can do more in two weeks than he did in six months
[2008/07/12 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, we don't need debates — candidates present themselves to the RA and get elected, that's all it takes.
[2008/07/12 11:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now... being reasonable,
[2008/07/12 11:26] Sonja Strom: Have we decided how we would select the next Chancellor/
[2008/07/12 11:26] Sonja Strom: ?
[2008/07/12 11:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: one thing is a "matter of principle"
[2008/07/12 11:26] You: Sonja, the procedural answer to that is that we can choose to, or not. Not sure I think it's needed - this would be a caretaker appointment -- There will be another chancellor election in the first week of August anyway.
[2008/07/12 11:26] ThePrincess Parisi: we always vote for him sonja
[2008/07/12 11:26] ThePrincess Parisi: the RA votes
[2008/07/12 11:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. removing Alex from office because, well, the RA voted so
[2008/07/12 11:26] ThePrincess Parisi: for chancellor every term
[2008/07/12 11:26] Sonja Strom: Do we know for certain that Justice wants to do it?
[2008/07/12 11:26] You: and as for "how"? The RA just votes, Sonja. no special rules required.
[2008/07/12 11:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The other thing is being pragmatic: I'd suggest that we'd go Chancellor-less for 2 weeks :)
[2008/07/12 11:26] ThePrincess Parisi: no .. i dont know how wants to do it
[2008/07/12 11:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and allow the next one to get voted in as usual
[2008/07/12 11:27] Sonja Strom: I mean, that he still wants to do it?
[2008/07/12 11:27] ThePrincess Parisi: i will do it and replace my seat.. jamie can do it.. gwyen you can do it and get someone to sit for csdf
[2008/07/12 11:27] ThePrincess Parisi: bells can do it
[2008/07/12 11:27] ThePrincess Parisi: anyone can be chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:27] You: Was Justice ever interested? I hadn't ever heard anyone other than MT and I discuss being interested, for this next term.
[2008/07/12 11:27] Sonja Strom: I would prefer for us to let Alexicon's term expire with nothing done than to not have a Chancellor at all.
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: how pathetic
[2008/07/12 11:28] MT Lundquist: then we can elect a new one
[2008/07/12 11:28] MT Lundquist: immediately
[2008/07/12 11:28] You: Well, let be be clear about a couple of options - and this is just personal oopinion
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: let him stay in office??
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: why?
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: to be nice
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: he has HURT
[2008/07/12 11:28] Sonja Strom: Then, naturally, that is left up to the Chancellor to decide how much he will or will not do in this time he has.
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: CDS
[2008/07/12 11:28] Sonja Strom: We are talking about at most two weeks --
[2008/07/12 11:28] You: 1. if you want to remove him now - sort of as a warning to future chancellors about not being responsive - I think we SHOULD have a caretaker
[2008/07/12 11:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
[2008/07/12 11:28] MT Lundquist: i do believe people should do their jobs
[2008/07/12 11:28] You: 2. for one thing that land sale might happen!
[2008/07/12 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: so we let him off the hook
[2008/07/12 11:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: there isn't the figure of a "Caretaker" or Vice-Chancellor...
[2008/07/12 11:29] MT Lundquist: and Alex has been sadly lacking
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: pathetic sonja
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: we can elect jamie
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie i move you will be next chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: will you do it
[2008/07/12 11:29] You: 3. I can think of three people who can do it as a replacement who are in the room and can say yes now
[2008/07/12 11:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha no, Prin, since Jamie is LRA!
[2008/07/12 11:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: conflict of interests!
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: why?
[2008/07/12 11:29] Sonja Strom: Isn't Alexicon a member of NuCARE?
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: oh come on
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: he is
[2008/07/12 11:29] Sonja Strom: Why don't you talk with him?
[2008/07/12 11:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But point 3 is ok
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: thats irrelevant i think
[2008/07/12 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: who can ? is that person on jamie
[2008/07/12 11:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Sonja, we have talked and talked
[2008/07/12 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: is anyone on who will do it
[2008/07/12 11:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean mmmh
[2008/07/12 11:30] You: Sonja, if we had a satisfactory replacement right now, would that change your mind about the vote?
[2008/07/12 11:30] Sonja Strom: I mean, the NuCARE members of the RA -- can't they talk with him as a member of their faction?
[2008/07/12 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: we have tried
[2008/07/12 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: for the whole term
[2008/07/12 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: he is beligerant
[2008/07/12 11:30] You: Because I can easily imagine us all agreeing on me OR MT OR Gwyn ... and I could give you a good reason for each of those :)
[2008/07/12 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: its embarrasing to us
[2008/07/12 11:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And to be honest, it wasn't just NuCARE that talked to Alex...
[2008/07/12 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: he wont do what is best for CDS
[2008/07/12 11:31] ThePrincess Parisi: all of us have tried
[2008/07/12 11:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie
[2008/07/12 11:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Prin is right on that
[2008/07/12 11:31] ThePrincess Parisi: if one of us will do it, like MT , is that a problem that he will vote
[2008/07/12 11:31] Sonja Strom: So the motion on the table now is to vote on removal of the Chancellor next week?
[2008/07/12 11:31] ThePrincess Parisi: no to remove him now
[2008/07/12 11:31] MT Lundquist: i would do it if the RA wished that
[2008/07/12 11:31] ThePrincess Parisi: and vote someone in now
[2008/07/12 11:31] You: but really the threshold issue is irrelevant if we do not want to vote to remove today. I actually like Alexi. Great guy. creative. Just inattentive.
[2008/07/12 11:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: removal now, today
[2008/07/12 11:31] You: Um, no Sonja, the motion Prin made was, remove now.
[2008/07/12 11:32] You: and to answer Prin's procedural question
[2008/07/12 11:32] ThePrincess Parisi: id rather rose or arria.. bells ... gwyen ..
[2008/07/12 11:32] ThePrincess Parisi: mt
[2008/07/12 11:32] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja i would vote for you
[2008/07/12 11:32] ThePrincess Parisi: will you be chancellor for two weeks
[2008/07/12 11:32] You: we're all RA memebrs and all can vote even if one of us was appointed, yes.
[2008/07/12 11:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh sure, Jamie, for the record, I love Alex too as a person, he's very talent, enthusiastic, and a good friend. But that's just a personal thing!
[2008/07/12 11:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn is not available for Chancellor, sorry
[2008/07/12 11:32] ThePrincess Parisi: i do too... its not personal.. its not political.. it is for the best for CDS
[2008/07/12 11:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: just to make clear :)
[2008/07/12 11:32] Sonja Strom: ok - I don't think we should remove him immediately. If we want to vote on his removal, we should allow him to be present and say something about it beforehand if he would like.
[2008/07/12 11:32] You: It's 11:30.
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja we have been doing that
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: he has already two weeks ago
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: we did that last week
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: and last week
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes.
[2008/07/12 11:33] Sonja Strom: Then if we invite him, and he does not come, then that is his choice.
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: we did that gave him unlitmateums and he didnt respond
[2008/07/12 11:33] Sonja Strom: Then we can hold the vote.
[2008/07/12 11:33] MT Lundquist: he came last week sonja
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja we did that!
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: This would be the third time, Sonja. In that I have to side with Prin,
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: we have done all this already for months sonja
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alex *did* have plenty of opportunities
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: LOTs
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, just one question
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Did people get paid?
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: NOOOOO
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let's forget the tourist thingy no
[2008/07/12 11:33] Sonja Strom: Really? We invited him to come to a vote of his removal?
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No?
[2008/07/12 11:33] ThePrincess Parisi: no one got paid
[2008/07/12 11:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/07/12 11:34] ThePrincess Parisi: i got one
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Last week,
[2008/07/12 11:34] ThePrincess Parisi: yes we did sonja
[2008/07/12 11:34] You: Ladies and gentlemen :)
[2008/07/12 11:34] You: ...
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: he submitted 13 points on an email
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: to the Treasurer
[2008/07/12 11:34] You: this is all on record
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: for payment.
[2008/07/12 11:34] Sonja Strom: oh, ok, sorry, I didn't understand that.
[2008/07/12 11:34] Sonja Strom: ok, then I will vote now.
[2008/07/12 11:34] ThePrincess Parisi: i got one payment but no notice of why the other three were not paid.. that one that was paid fro was from 2007
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: There was ONLY one point where he was adamant: he refused to buy a non-transfer item for the tourist guide
[2008/07/12 11:34] ThePrincess Parisi: i was just paid for a december vote
[2008/07/12 11:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All the remaining ones were pending payments
[2008/07/12 11:35] ThePrincess Parisi: of 2007
[2008/07/12 11:35] MT Lundquist: lets vote
[2008/07/12 11:35] ThePrincess Parisi: its half through 2008
[2008/07/12 11:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. So what I was trying to say is...
[2008/07/12 11:35] ThePrincess Parisi: hear hear
[2008/07/12 11:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Why didn't people get paid,
[2008/07/12 11:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: if the Chancellor ordered the payments? :)
[2008/07/12 11:35] ThePrincess Parisi: no one knows!
[2008/07/12 11:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly...
[2008/07/12 11:35] ThePrincess Parisi: i got ONE payment from a december thing
[2008/07/12 11:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mind you, the mail was NOT lost
[2008/07/12 11:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: unlike the notecards
[2008/07/12 11:36] ThePrincess Parisi: well come on ... it was alexicon ....
[2008/07/12 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the Treasurer showed me the mail she'd received
[2008/07/12 11:36] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah
[2008/07/12 11:36] You: Let me just check -- so we're clear - you are confident that he's been warned, based on the Q&A and prior requests? because I think Sonja's concern is the same as mind: fair process.
[2008/07/12 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I know there was an Exec meeting last SUnday or so (I wasn't allowed to attend)
[2008/07/12 11:36] ThePrincess Parisi: i am confident that he has been warned many many many many times
[2008/07/12 11:36] MT Lundquist: and he was told at RA
[2008/07/12 11:36] ThePrincess Parisi: since the begining of the term
[2008/07/12 11:36] ThePrincess Parisi: bells worked for him
[2008/07/12 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm confident too, but I wonder what happened to that list of payments
[2008/07/12 11:36] ThePrincess Parisi: she can bring up a whole nother set of issues
[2008/07/12 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Were they just, uh, blowing dust in my eyes?...
[2008/07/12 11:37] You: Um - Gwyn - I am not quite getting the significance of your point about the e-mail and the Executive meeting?
[2008/07/12 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Jamie
[2008/07/12 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The issue here is that I got a strong impression,
[2008/07/12 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: want me to open the next can of worms about him ?
[2008/07/12 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: by seeing a mail requesting payments last week
[2008/07/12 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: and then the one about him trying to get money for him self?
[2008/07/12 11:37] You: (not yet - let's hear Gwyn's point)
[2008/07/12 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that there was an attempt to comply with the RA's demands.
[2008/07/12 11:37] You: ahh
[2008/07/12 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: feeble too little too late
[2008/07/12 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that was a tricky one, Prin
[2008/07/12 11:37] You: but Gwyn you support his removal anyway?
[2008/07/12 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean
[2008/07/12 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, he has enrolled himself as janitor and demanded payment for that.
[2008/07/12 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/07/12 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: no i mean the website snafu
[2008/07/12 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I surely dislike the way things are happening!!!
[2008/07/12 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, the website...
[2008/07/12 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: he wanted to get us a very expensive webiste portal and bee paid
[2008/07/12 11:38] Jamie Palisades mutters .. chancellor janitor? ... and shrugs a little
[2008/07/12 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: to run it
[2008/07/12 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's more my fault really, Prin
[2008/07/12 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: NO i dont think you were involved .. in the first weeks
[2008/07/12 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: it was him and mizou and arria
[2008/07/12 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, well, we talked a long time about that and agreed that the CDS would not pay him for that,
[2008/07/12 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: i kept it hush...........
[2008/07/12 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: just order a shared virtual server for US$10/month
[2008/07/12 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and he'd have access to it
[2008/07/12 11:39] ThePrincess Parisi: this was way before that
[2008/07/12 11:39] ThePrincess Parisi: he wanted a 100 a month one
[2008/07/12 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, he wanted an insane amount of money to run the website :(
[2008/07/12 11:39] MT Lundquist: yes i spoke to him about it to
[2008/07/12 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes!
[2008/07/12 11:39] ThePrincess Parisi: remember and he would also be paid to run it
[2008/07/12 11:39] You: Well, hmm. I do not think this additional chat is changing any minds, eh?
[2008/07/12 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/07/12 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's totally correct, Prin
[2008/07/12 11:39] MT Lundquist: can we vote?
[2008/07/12 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: shall i tell you he wanted to MAKE money of his own rl , for being chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: please lets vote
[2008/07/12 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: this is painful
[2008/07/12 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I wouldn't go on accusing him with that, not outside an impeachment court, Prin.
[2008/07/12 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: because that would be trying to determine malicious intent
[2008/07/12 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: as said, we talked him out of that particular idea
[2008/07/12 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: long ago.
[2008/07/12 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: ok well i am just saying .. that this is the tip of a huge iceberg what you see
[2008/07/12 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: He STILL enrolled himself as janitor and sent an email to request payment for THAT.
[2008/07/12 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: please dont let it slide.. and its my faction, yes.. can you imagine how i feel
[2008/07/12 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: i wanted him to BE chancellor .. i nominated him
[2008/07/12 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: but CDS is what i LOVE
[2008/07/12 11:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I wasn't in the RA, but I certainly was quite encouraging of having him as Chancellor,
[2008/07/12 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: and MT
[2008/07/12 11:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: and the first 2 or 3 weeks even went well in the planning stage :)
[2008/07/12 11:41] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/07/12 11:41] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :))
[2008/07/12 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: and bells
[2008/07/12 11:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn sees a lot of love floating around :D
[2008/07/12 11:42] You: heh I have not forgotten who suported him, Prin. Pragmatically, I would like to reserve the right to run for chancellor next term. To me it seems a bit odd to jump in now -- I still have a few things to complete as LRA. Can I ask if MT would (a) be willing to serve for three weeks, and (b) can be immediately replaced on RA for 3 weeks by SOMEONE from NuCARE? Because if we know we have a replacement, that's a factor. (Actually I'd love to elect Gwyn for 3 weeks in view of her long service to CDS, but if she says no, well, that's it.)
[2008/07/12 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: jamie please
[2008/07/12 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: yes ..
[2008/07/12 11:42] Mikelo Serevi: What REAL benefit, aside of making an example of Alex, would come of this removal?
[2008/07/12 11:42] You: Prin perhaps I should get that from a NuCARE member instead? (smile)
[2008/07/12 11:42] MT Lundquist: yes i would do that
[2008/07/12 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: yes i can get one
[2008/07/12 11:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mikelo, some things — like payments — might be settled once and for all.
[2008/07/12 11:43] MT Lundquist: at the request of the RA
[2008/07/12 11:43] ThePrincess Parisi: we have adequate volunteers to fill our seat
[2008/07/12 11:43] ThePrincess Parisi: please dont make it political though
[2008/07/12 11:44] ThePrincess Parisi: anyone who wants it i will suport.. csdf any faction if its a good citizen who will try
[2008/07/12 11:44] You: Prin, I am adequately confused about NuCARE right now that "we" is a tough term :) but NuCARE has 3 RA candidates for the next term, so it seems reaonsable to assume one can serve short time, right, MT?
[2008/07/12 11:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh well, I cannot ask anyone *right now* to act as a replacement :D
[2008/07/12 11:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean from the CSDF
[2008/07/12 11:44] ThePrincess Parisi: i am nucare today
[2008/07/12 11:44] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/07/12 11:44] ThePrincess Parisi: i am always CDS first though
[2008/07/12 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: believe it.. or not
[2008/07/12 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: MT would be a fine chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:45] You: I think we're ready to vote then. This is serious stuff.
[2008/07/12 11:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes it is, it'll set a precedent.
[2008/07/12 11:45] You: I don;t like it when we have to remove someone, let's take it with the tone it deserves.
[2008/07/12 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i think it matters this is really not a game.. it is serous
[2008/07/12 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: serious
[2008/07/12 11:46] ThePrincess Parisi: we are the only suriviving democracy in sl
[2008/07/12 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Namely, that a Chancellor cannot avoid to comply with the RA's reasonable requests without having very good excuses
[2008/07/12 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I'm afraid that I haven't seen any excuses :(
[2008/07/12 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not good, nor bad.
[2008/07/12 11:46] You: It has been moved and seconded that we remove Alexicon Kurka as Chancellor, for the reasons stated in the debate.
[2008/07/12 11:46] You: Members please state your vote.
[2008/07/12 11:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I vote aye on removal.
[2008/07/12 11:47] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/07/12 11:47] ThePrincess Parisi on behalf of nucare.. and sadly vote aye
[2008/07/12 11:47] Jamie Palisades patiently waits for Sonja.
[2008/07/12 11:47] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/07/12 11:48] ThePrincess Parisi cries
[2008/07/12 11:48] You: Alright then. I vote aye. I will inform Alexi. I move that we elect MT as Chancellor.
[2008/07/12 11:48] You: (and ask NuCare to fill his term for the next three weeks.)
[2008/07/12 11:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Are there more candidates here and now in this room?
[2008/07/12 11:48] ThePrincess Parisi: mkelo? bells?
[2008/07/12 11:48] ThePrincess Parisi: sonja do you wanna do it
[2008/07/12 11:49] Sonja Strom: no, thank you
[2008/07/12 11:49] Mikelo Serevi: At the last minute like this?
[2008/07/12 11:49] You: Let's see, but honestly, for a 3 week caretaker I do not believe we are obligated to seek them
[2008/07/12 11:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I tend to agree, Jamie
[2008/07/12 11:49] You: And It iwll only take 3 votes, but I have to say with apologies that I would not vote for someone who;s dead new to the government at this stage.
[2008/07/12 11:49] Sonja Strom: Well, it does not hurt to ask if anyone else here would like to do it.
[2008/07/12 11:50] ThePrincess Parisi: do you sonja
[2008/07/12 11:50] Sonja Strom: Maybe I misunderstood --
[2008/07/12 11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn requests one minute
[2008/07/12 11:51] Sonja Strom: I thought Jamie was saying it was not required of us to take into consideration others besides MT.
[2008/07/12 11:51] Mikelo Serevi: I may know someone. hang on.
[2008/07/12 11:51] You: We are heading into hour 3 here folks. I woud like us to have a replacement. That is correct Sonja - we are not *required* to do so.
[2008/07/12 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: jon lives with gyneth now i know
[2008/07/12 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: jon is here
[2008/07/12 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: PIP
[2008/07/12 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: oh they come out of the woodwork
[2008/07/12 11:51] Sonja Strom: Hi Pip
[2008/07/12 11:51] MT Lundquist: hi pip
[2008/07/12 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/12 11:51] You: but I am not too happy about a bunch of last minute candidate being dragged in. That's unseemly.
[2008/07/12 11:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin: lol
[2008/07/12 11:52] Mikelo Serevi: it really is, IMHO
[2008/07/12 11:52] ThePrincess Parisi: ok i move my MT is chancellor for the last few weeks
[2008/07/12 11:52] Sonja Strom: Second
[2008/07/12 11:52] You: Um I already did move that Prin - you want to second it? OK :) it got two seconds
[2008/07/12 11:52] Pip Torok: hallo can someone bring me up to speed?
[2008/07/12 11:52] MT Lundquist: i will obviously drop out of this vote
[2008/07/12 11:52] ThePrincess Parisi: we just removed alexicon from office
[2008/07/12 11:52] Sonja Strom: Pip, Alexicon Kurka has been removed as Chancellor.
[2008/07/12 11:53] Mikelo Serevi: They are looking for a 3-week replacement.
[2008/07/12 11:53] You: (In midmeeting, that's a tough request Pip. We have removed Alexi. We are discussing a replacaement. )
[2008/07/12 11:53] Sonja Strom: right
[2008/07/12 11:53] You: RA members, please: does anyone wish to nominate another candidate? We have one.
[2008/07/12 11:53] You: If not let's elect him and be done. If you have one, speak now please.
[2008/07/12 11:53] ThePrincess Parisi: no
[2008/07/12 11:53] Sonja Strom: Actually we are in mid-vote, right?
[2008/07/12 11:54] Pip Torok: who are the candidates?
[2008/07/12 11:54] ThePrincess Parisi: MT
[2008/07/12 11:54] Pip Torok: then I'd like to put myself forward as candidate
[2008/07/12 11:54] Sonja Strom: ok
[2008/07/12 11:54] You: We have a motion and second. I have asked for other candidates. none have been offered. I propose to CLOSE the nominations now -- unkess someone speaks up!
[2008/07/12 11:54] You: ah sorry Pip, OK, just saw that.
[2008/07/12 11:55] You: You understand this is for 3 weeks, yes?
[2008/07/12 11:55] Sonja Strom: Perhaps we could re-phrase the question?
[2008/07/12 11:55] Pip Torok: i do realise that jamie
[2008/07/12 11:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, thanks, Pip
[2008/07/12 11:55] You: Let me address RA members only for a moment.
[2008/07/12 11:55] Pip Torok: ok ...
[2008/07/12 11:55] You: I have one nominatied candiate.
[2008/07/12 11:55] You: MT
[2008/07/12 11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's really "on the spur of the moment", but the job is easy actually: making sure that in the next two weeks people get paid what teh CDS owns them for the past 6 months :)
[2008/07/12 11:56] You: Youc an add more if you want, including nominating Pip.
[2008/07/12 11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, Jamie, yes, of course
[2008/07/12 11:56] ThePrincess Parisi: and buy a sim
[2008/07/12 11:56] You: which no member has yet done.
[2008/07/12 11:56] Sonja Strom: I nominate Pip.
[2008/07/12 11:56] You: ah there :) thanks
[2008/07/12 11:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: since Pip is willing, I also nominate him as a candidate — gladly so
[2008/07/12 11:56] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/07/12 11:56] You: Last call. Any others?
[2008/07/12 11:56] Pip Torok: then i'd like to add one ... myself
[2008/07/12 11:56] Sonja Strom: Pip, RA members only in this vote please.
[2008/07/12 11:57] Pip Torok: (sorry that was redundant)
[2008/07/12 11:57] You: Pip. You are not an RA member so you cannot make motions or nominations here, but you are welcome to offer yourself as a candidate, and I will ask you to speak in favor of yourself in a few minutes.
[2008/07/12 11:57] You: RA members: May I close nominations?
[2008/07/12 11:57] ThePrincess Parisi: yes isr
[2008/07/12 11:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, we have two candidates only, right?
[2008/07/12 11:57] Sonja Strom: yes
[2008/07/12 11:58] You: We are ONE HOUR over time.
[2008/07/12 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn will sadly only be able to vote on the replacement Chancellor and then has to go out in a hurry
[2008/07/12 11:58] ThePrincess Parisi: wait
[2008/07/12 11:58] You: do we require debate? Would a short statement from each candidate suffice?
[2008/07/12 11:58] MT Lundquist: as PIp has shown a willingness to be chancellor
[2008/07/12 11:59] MT Lundquist: I'm prepared to withdraw
[2008/07/12 11:59] MT Lundquist: from the nomination
[2008/07/12 11:59] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/12 11:59] ThePrincess Parisi: so pip is the only candidate
[2008/07/12 12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/07/12 12:00] Sonja Strom: Thanks, MT - that might be better for the operation of the government, as you are a member of the Representative Assembly.
[2008/07/12 12:00] You: Indeed. May I ask? Pip I just do not have the data, so (a) are you a member of a CDS faction? and (b) have you had any experience administering organizations?
[2008/07/12 12:00] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/07/12 12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (b) most certainly :D
[2008/07/12 12:00] You: but I was asking Pip, Gwyn, sorry
[2008/07/12 12:00] ThePrincess Parisi: and will you treat me with the respect Your Highness deserves
[2008/07/12 12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oops sorry
[2008/07/12 12:00] ThePrincess Parisi: and no more
[2008/07/12 12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn *covers her mouth*
[2008/07/12 12:00] Sonja Strom: lol
[2008/07/12 12:01] MT Lundquist: yes pip i have to
[2008/07/12 12:01] Pip Torok: yes i am a member of a cds faction the DPU and yes i do have extensive _liaison_ experience in my job
[2008/07/12 12:01] ThePrincess Parisi: im just kidding :) sorry
[2008/07/12 12:01] Pip Torok: and later at a London Medical College
[2008/07/12 12:02] ThePrincess Parisi: i recommend pip highly fellow ra members
[2008/07/12 12:02] You: I just haven't met Pip for very long, so apologize that this turn of events leaving me with no data as you all strive to pull candidates out of a hat :) Has someone on the RA worked with Pip, perhaps, and can say a few words?
[2008/07/12 12:02] ThePrincess Parisi: if he puts his mind to it , i know he can do a good job.. he has done some nice things for CDS and i know he feels strongly about our community
[2008/07/12 12:02] Pip Torok: did you get those words?
[2008/07/12 12:02] Sonja Strom: Pip has taken part in coordinating the DPU platform.
[2008/07/12 12:03] ThePrincess Parisi: and though he feigns mislike of me personally .. i do believe he will do well for CDS
[2008/07/12 12:03] Sonja Strom: He has been helpful in the faction, and good to work with.
[2008/07/12 12:03] Pip Torok: hallo i put a speech out but i was in mouse-mode
[2008/07/12 12:03] You: Pip, I note you did not have the time or inclination to run for RA' do you at least have some short-term time available for this next month? We're likely to have some needs that require focus.
[2008/07/12 12:03] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I can only vouch for Pip's talent in organising some good, interesting events in the CDS, which are of highly entertaining cultural value
[2008/07/12 12:04] ThePrincess Parisi: he can read great poems aloud
[2008/07/12 12:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: he can indeed, Prin!!!
[2008/07/12 12:04] Sonja Strom: He is a good dancer.
[2008/07/12 12:04] Pip Torok: well i have a problem with bad eyes .. but can offer consistency
[2008/07/12 12:04] MT Lundquist: i to have heard that
[2008/07/12 12:04] You: Oh I have attended those readings :) No doubt about his oratory skills
[2008/07/12 12:04] MT Lundquist: :)
[2008/07/12 12:04] ThePrincess Parisi: and his enlish accent is not quite but almost as great as MTs
[2008/07/12 12:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :))))
[2008/07/12 12:04] You: How are you for, ahem, time, Pip? :)
[2008/07/12 12:04] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol prin!
[2008/07/12 12:04] ThePrincess Parisi: no i think he will do a great job.. i know he is devoted to CDS
[2008/07/12 12:04] ThePrincess Parisi: .
[2008/07/12 12:05] MT Lundquist: that i believe too
[2008/07/12 12:05] Pip Torok: well i can be available until about 3 or 4pm slt on most days
[2008/07/12 12:05] Pip Torok: (you need to add 8 hrs onto slt to get my time)
[2008/07/12 12:05] ThePrincess Parisi: he's inworld a lot.. i think he will get more done in the past three weeks.. than in the last six months.. pip.. will you have an election event?
[2008/07/12 12:06] Pip Torok: an election event?
[2008/07/12 12:06] ThePrincess Parisi: and then the inaugural?
[2008/07/12 12:06] You: Coming in on the heels of a removal for nonresponsiveness, Pip, I hope you can understand that my concern is whether you can give the short term tasks a bit of focus in the next three weeks
[2008/07/12 12:06] ThePrincess Parisi: hells was more like it for me
[2008/07/12 12:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Honestly, for the next 2-3 weeks, there is just one major issue to get solved: the payments. Minor issues are: helping the coordination of the debate; organising the election ball next week. And, well, then it's time to pick a new Chancellor anyway...
[2008/07/12 12:06] ThePrincess Parisi: have you read the chancellor job description pip?
[2008/07/12 12:06] You: Luckily you *would* have the benefit of a lot of people willing to help -- CDS is good that way
[2008/07/12 12:06] MT Lundquist: yes i wasnt phased by hells
[2008/07/12 12:07] Pip Torok: well jamie i will do what i can tho there will be a limit that my eyes can impose
[2008/07/12 12:07] You: :)
[2008/07/12 12:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's more than reasonable for me, Pip :)))
[2008/07/12 12:07] MT Lundquist: i'm happy
[2008/07/12 12:07] You: Any other questions? We seem to have one nominee. Are you ready to vote?
[2008/07/12 12:07] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/07/12 12:07] ThePrincess Parisi: ready
[2008/07/12 12:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready.
[2008/07/12 12:08] Sonja Strom: I move that we elect Pip Torok as Chancellor for the remainder of this term.
[2008/07/12 12:08] You: Members please state your vote on electing Pip Torok. I vote aye.
[2008/07/12 12:08] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/07/12 12:08] ThePrincess Parisi: hear hear.. aye
[2008/07/12 12:08] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/07/12 12:08] Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
[2008/07/12 12:08] You: It's unanininmous then. Congratulations.
[2008/07/12 12:08] You: Pip, I'd suggest you talk to Sudane and Moon straightaway :)
[2008/07/12 12:09] Pip Torok: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen
[2008/07/12 12:09] MT Lundquist: congrats
[2008/07/12 12:09] ThePrincess Parisi: now get to work
[2008/07/12 12:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd like to thnk you very much for doing this, Pip
[2008/07/12 12:09] ThePrincess Parisi: i know you will do a great job!
[2008/07/12 12:09] Sonja Strom: congratulations, and thanks, to you Pip
[2008/07/12 12:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's terrible hard to drop in the middle of a situation like that, unprepared and all
[2008/07/12 12:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: my warmest congratulations!
[2008/07/12 12:09] You: Indeed
[2008/07/12 12:09] ThePrincess Parisi: meet with sudane
[2008/07/12 12:09] Pip Torok: thank you gwyneth
[2008/07/12 12:09] ThePrincess Parisi: is my suggestion
[2008/07/12 12:09] ThePrincess Parisi: and aliasi
[2008/07/12 12:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that will be a priority :)
[2008/07/12 12:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sudane is online, but she was in a meeting.
[2008/07/12 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: or we will kick your butt out too
[2008/07/12 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: hehe
[2008/07/12 12:10] Sonja Strom: The Chancellor before Alexicon was Dnate.
[2008/07/12 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: oh right and he was DPU
[2008/07/12 12:10] Sonja Strom: He might be good to talk with also.
[2008/07/12 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: Dnate would help a lot, hes inworld a lot when you are pip
[2008/07/12 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: ok love you all i am outta here
[2008/07/12 12:10] Sonja Strom: Bye bye
[2008/07/12 12:10] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you jamie
[2008/07/12 12:10] Pip Torok: thank you like other chancellors i'll need all the help i can get!
[2008/07/12 12:11] Sonja Strom: :-) probably...
[2008/07/12 12:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And we need a ceremony :)))))))
[2008/07/12 12:11] Sonja Strom: lol
[2008/07/12 12:11] Sonja Strom: Right!
[2008/07/12 12:11] MT Lundquist: ok i need to go eat
[2008/07/12 12:11] MT Lundquist: bye for now
[2008/07/12 12:11] You: May we adjourn then? Next week same time - and RA debate TOMORROW
[2008/07/12 12:11] Sonja Strom: Bye MT.


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