See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2008 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 19 July 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Colonia Nova Praetorium
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items (or at least topical divisions)
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[2008/07/19 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in June it would be sardines... lol
[2008/07/19 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in November, roasted chestnuts...
[2008/07/19 9:09] You: mmmmm Big glass of papaya juice and .. um .. a handful of sardines ...
[2008/07/19 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie :D
[2008/07/19 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh in Neufreistadt, it would be chicken hats...
[2008/07/19 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In Colonia Nova, most likely... togas ;)
[2008/07/19 9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: :)
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we get our own traditions here too ;)
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: chicken hats. Man I hate the taste of those feathers.
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: well
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: shall we get started?
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL jamie!
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[2008/07/19 9:11] You: 1a
[2008/07/19 9:11] Jon Seattle: Hi Arria :)
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Arria, hello!
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: Please indicate your assent to our recording a transcript. I assent.
[2008/07/19 9:11] Arria Perreault: Hi everybody :-))
[2008/07/19 9:11] Justice Soothsayer: I assent.
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I assent.
[2008/07/19 9:11] ThePrincess Parisi: i assent
[2008/07/19 9:11] Arria Perreault: I assent
[2008/07/19 9:11] Jon Seattle: I ascent
[2008/07/19 9:12] Sudane Erato: i agree
[2008/07/19 9:12] Rose Springvale: assent
[2008/07/19 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Jon, nice typo :)
[2008/07/19 9:12] Bells Semyorka: i assent
[2008/07/19 9:12] Rose Springvale: its all part of the cloud thing right jon?
[2008/07/19 9:12] Jon Seattle: I ascend as well?
[2008/07/19 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We're on a transcendental mood today!
[2008/07/19 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ommmmm
[2008/07/19 9:12] Sonja Strom: I assent
[2008/07/19 9:12] You: :) Spoken like a skeptical buddhist - right down to the question mark
[2008/07/19 9:12] Jon Seattle laughs
[2008/07/19 9:12] Justice Soothsayer snorts
[2008/07/19 9:13] Rose Springvale: brb
[2008/07/19 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Very Zen indeed.
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: Right.
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[2008/07/19 9:13] You: 1b
[2008/07/19 9:13] Sonja Strom: Hi Sheen
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: agenda
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1973
[2008/07/19 9:13] Sheen Runo: Hi
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: All are welcome, but this is a formal meeting, so please have a seat & enjoy politely.
[2008/07/19 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: naffie!
[2008/07/19 9:13] Sonja Strom: hi Naftali
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: Any proposals for change to the posted agenda?
[2008/07/19 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello, Naftali!!
[2008/07/19 9:14] You: (I have one)
[2008/07/19 9:14] Jon Seattle: Hi Naftali, Sheen
[2008/07/19 9:14] ThePrincess Parisi: give me the link please
[2008/07/19 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1973 Prin
[2008/07/19 9:14] You: agenda > http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1973
[2008/07/19 9:14] You: I would like to move item 4 to before item 2.
[2008/07/19 9:14] Moon Adamant: hello all :))
[2008/07/19 9:15] Sonja Strom: Hi Moon
[2008/07/19 9:15] Jon Seattle hugs Moon
[2008/07/19 9:15] You: anything on the agenda, with that change?
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[2008/07/19 9:15] You: ok then
[2008/07/19 9:15] You: 1c
[2008/07/19 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, I'd wait until we're quorate
[2008/07/19 9:15] You: we are :)
[2008/07/19 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh!
[2008/07/19 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn counts
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: I see 4 of seven present
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: unless you're a Gwynbot
[2008/07/19 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah perfect then. Sorry.
[2008/07/19 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm a bot, yes :D
[2008/07/19 9:16] Jamie Palisades looks CAREFULLY at Gwyn's floating last name
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: Ya never know
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: 1c ...
[2008/07/19 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: Other than RA members, and Moon on the sim4 stuff, anyone else have a specific plan to talk to us today, so we can get you in the agenda?
[2008/07/19 9:17] Jamie Palisades looks around
[2008/07/19 9:17] Justice Soothsayer plans on being a quiet observer
[2008/07/19 9:17] Moon Adamant: i intend to speak
[2008/07/19 9:17] Sonja Strom: Is ThePrincess no longer here?
[2008/07/19 9:17] Moon Adamant: just in case :)
[2008/07/19 9:17] You: OK - on items other than sim4 Moon? Fine, just let us know when ... (citizens get a privileged place and we save time if they tell us now - that's why we have this agenda item)
[2008/07/19 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin looks pretty invisible to me.
[2008/07/19 9:18] Rose Springvale: sigh
[2008/07/19 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn counts again
[2008/07/19 9:19] You: so noted. Usually at this point we wait a minute to see if it's a crash issue
[2008/07/19 9:19] You: I weill make some suggestions about how to proceed otherwise, smile
[2008/07/19 9:20] Jamie Palisades smiles placidly and checks a few things offline
[2008/07/19 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn places a clock behind Jamie
[2008/07/19 9:20] You: gwyn? Is that necessary, or do you have a point?
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: Hi FRC
[2008/07/19 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/07/19 9:21] You: aparently not :)
[2008/07/19 9:21] Sonja Strom: Hi FR
[2008/07/19 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (no I haven't)
[2008/07/19 9:21] Flyingroc Chung: hi
[2008/07/19 9:21] You: Er - I like you too Roc
[2008/07/19 9:21] Jon Seattle: yay FR!
[2008/07/19 9:21] Flyingroc Chung: huh?
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: smile
[2008/07/19 9:21] Flyingroc Chung: am I sitting on someone?
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: you are on his lap
[2008/07/19 9:21] Moon Adamant: hi FR :)
[2008/07/19 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're VERY welcome, FRC!
[2008/07/19 9:21] You: ahem, smile
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: seat next to him FRC
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: there we go - and welcome
[2008/07/19 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Once more, the primate saves the day!
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: this is a good meeting for us to have quorum
[2008/07/19 9:22] Sonja Strom: wb ThePrincess
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: :) even if all might not wish it
[2008/07/19 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 9:22] Rose Springvale: yay for all RA members who come to meetings!
[2008/07/19 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you
[2008/07/19 9:22] Flyingroc Chung: sorry about being absent last couple of ones
[2008/07/19 9:22] Flyingroc Chung: RL
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: ah. Prin. Roc has joined us, and I see you are back. I hope thelaptop's behaving OK for you.
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: no prob
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2008/07/19 9:23] You: we were on 1d
[2008/07/19 9:23] You: Routine notice - let me know if the RA transcripts need correcting please
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[2008/07/19 9:23] You: 1e
[2008/07/19 9:23] You: Future meetings :)
[2008/07/19 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: MT is on his way
[2008/07/19 9:23] You: We have one more scheduled
[2008/07/19 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: he asked to wait
[2008/07/19 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: please
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: OK Prin - n p if he's here soon - let's finish up the routine stuff
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: 1e
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: This RA meets next Saturday at 9 am SLT
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (no issues on the transcript, actually, rather the contrary ;) )
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: and that's out last scheduled meeting
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: Polls for the current election close today at noon LST
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Jamie. In NFS or CN?
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: NDS, we rotate :)
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or AM... we could do that for a change
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, right, ok.
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: and then I will if no one objects arrange for a tentative first meeting date for the newly seated RA on the next Saturday
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: let's see, what IS that?
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: 2 august
[2008/07/19 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: and they can get off and running
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: I will communicate this to the elected incoming members after they;re annoucned :)
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: If they have an LRA that person can do as they like
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: but we'll svae a tentative time for them for conveience, subject to change
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: thatg's it for schedule
[2008/07/19 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh. Well. They'll decide on their own, but ok.
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: where
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: let me just ask -- no big probs with meeting next wek? any big items lurking that we're supposed to get to by then?
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: we ususally do an announcement
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: I agree Gwyn - just making it easy for the handoff - new LRA can change it
[2008/07/19 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean when we are all together
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: anouncement of what prin?
[2008/07/19 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: the new RA
[2008/07/19 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: who will tell that
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: when
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: and where
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: ah
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: 1. SC will announce
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: 2. that SHOULD produce a new LRA
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: 3. that person will handle it
[2008/07/19 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah... usually it's supposed to be the SC making the announcement
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: 4. I am not going to POST that meeting date
[2008/07/19 9:27] Jon Seattle: yes
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: 5. but we'll just sav ethat saturday slto for them if they want it
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: ok? makes sense to all?
[2008/07/19 9:27] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2008/07/19 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1-3 surely
[2008/07/19 9:27] Connected
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: and this time I will make sure they get forum posting access immediately ? Right Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn *coughs*
[2008/07/19 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: riiight :)
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: what
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: heh heh do not worry too much about me influencing the poor, shrinking, terrified new LRA Gwyn
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean we arent meeting to find out who won?
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: now?
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: No Prin
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: she wont be terrified
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: 'polls close at noon
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: why
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: She? :)
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: so what when jon gives the info then the PIO announces
[2008/07/19 9:28] Flyingroc Chung: omg I havent voted.
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: Arria
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: I was staying gender neutral myself until the polls close
[2008/07/19 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR!!!!
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: go vote FR
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn strangles the ape slowly
[2008/07/19 9:29] Flyingroc Chung: brb
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Ahem :) polls are open for an hour AFTER this meeting concludes folks
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Roc
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: too late lol
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: roc go vote ffs
[2008/07/19 9:29] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2008/07/19 9:29] Jamie Palisades sighs
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: sighs
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Gwyn you and quorum seem to be an issue todaay ...
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have an idea!
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: what quaorom
[2008/07/19 9:29] Jon Seattle: Yes, the polls will close at noon SLT.
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: what is your idea gwyen
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll go away, and the quorum problems will disappear :)
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/19 9:29] Arria Perreault: the PIO must wait the conformation of the SC chair
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: ok bye
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Gwyn if you are done with correcting me on transition matters, or trying, can we continue?
[2008/07/19 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure thing, Mr LRA :)
[2008/07/19 9:30] Jamie Palisades pleasantly smiles and waits
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[2008/07/19 9:30] You: 1f
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: consent items?
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: I know of none
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: who bought the guided tour?
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: that would bring us to item 4 - which we moved to in front of item 2
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: since its six months old that issue
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: EXCUSE ME
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: i have an issue of concsent
[2008/07/19 9:30] Moon Adamant: sighs
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: got it - tour :)
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi sticks her tongue out at moon
[2008/07/19 9:31] You: it's consent only if not controversial and easy to pass without objection :) have one of those?
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah thats not controversial
[2008/07/19 9:31] You: OK :) what?
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: we voted it in last term
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: who when and where is the tour
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: lets vote to get it
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: no quorum
[2008/07/19 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR is back in... :)
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: oh good
[2008/07/19 9:32] Flyingroc Chung: hi
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: wheeew
[2008/07/19 9:32] Rose Springvale: wb FRC
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: i keep crashing today
[2008/07/19 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Excellent timing, Mr Chung!
[2008/07/19 9:32] Moon Adamant: wb FR
[2008/07/19 9:32] You: OK. Tour.
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: so can we vote to go ahead a buy a tour
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: see the thing about it being transfer has to do with the stuff like the things....
[2008/07/19 9:32] You: Prin - I do not know because the person who woudl tell us is the chancellor, who as you may recall was removed :)
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: like ......
[2008/07/19 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the last suggestion we had last week was that we'd get not one, but at least two "tour devices", so that a copy can be delivered to the Content Archivist
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: well its not for him to say
[2008/07/19 9:32] Moon Adamant: really?
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: cos he misunderstood that the reason we need to have things in archives
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: that cant be resplaced
[2008/07/19 9:33] You: Do you have a motion to make regarding this that you would like to sugest is noncontroversial? If not let's create a new agenda item 5 at THE END of the agenda
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: replaced
[2008/07/19 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine in recommending that the Executive buys at least two devices...
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: yes i move that we go ahead and buy two guided tour vehicles
[2008/07/19 9:33] You: (the consent agenda is only for little, quick stuff) (anything else is out of order, and comes AFTER scheduled items)
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: cos he misunderstood
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: that is pretty fast
[2008/07/19 9:33] You: OK that's a motion, basically directing the executive to act
[2008/07/19 9:34] You: is there a second?
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* well, a recommendation
[2008/07/19 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: no lets direct .. that we have it bought by someone else
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine in seconding it.
[2008/07/19 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: not the chancellor since h e has had six months and its not done
[2008/07/19 9:34] You: waiting for a second - if none I will suggest we take this BACK up near meeting end, when we can take more time with it
[2008/07/19 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: someone besides the chancelor
[2008/07/19 9:34] Moon Adamant: er, it must the content archivist then
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Moon
[2008/07/19 9:34] You: ah good point :)
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie: [9:37] You: I'm fine in seconding it.
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You being me... I mean...
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[2008/07/19 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: who is you
[2008/07/19 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: am i you
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: hahah hang on
[2008/07/19 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: no im bells
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: ah got it - gwyn seconded
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: OK then
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'm also ok in discussing it under point 5, Mr LRA
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Your call really...
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: here's the deal :) are you two agreed on whether this is a direction or a recommendation? if so we have a motion
[2008/07/19 9:36] You: and second
[2008/07/19 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh I see your point. Well... it's a recommendation, since if it's not, well, it becomes a bill, and the Chancellor can veto it ;)
[2008/07/19 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A recommendation can be simply ignored ;)
[2008/07/19 9:36] You: so it's a motion to direct
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: OK :) any other RA members wish to speak? Any prob with just passing it wihtout objection?
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: yes to direct someone like moon to buy the guided tour.. someone unbiased
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: FRankly I think this needs more work and oprefer to do it as item 5
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: good point
[2008/07/19 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhh in that case I withdraw my second; I'm fine with a recommendation, not a direct order :P I think that's a bad precedent, and we had our shares of badly gone direct orders :S
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: we don't quite know who we're directing for example
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: what more work could it need it happened six months ag o
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: ahem :)
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: gimme a break
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: its ten dollars
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: let's do it today and take it up - AFTER items 2 3 4
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: ive waited over six months
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: NO
[2008/07/19 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I'm fine with that discussion under point 5.
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: Prin I think we can get it done, just needs a bit of sanding on the edges
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: im not
[2008/07/19 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, let's vote then :)
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: I rule it's not a consent item, though
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[2008/07/19 9:38] You: on to agenda item 4
[2008/07/19 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: (which we moved to before 2)
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: ok w/e
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: Chancellor removal items
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: first some announcements
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: MT is on his way too
[2008/07/19 9:38] Moon Adamant listens
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: 1. Presumably you all know there's a lot of comment on the forums :)
[2008/07/19 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: and a lot of lies there
[2008/07/19 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: LOTS
[2008/07/19 9:39] You: 2. I already announced my own views, which I'm thinking you know too
[2008/07/19 9:39] You: 3. Please note there is a pending SC appeal
[2008/07/19 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: you all call me a liar.. read the forum.. theres some pretty bad lies there that i didnt tell
[2008/07/19 9:39] You: (procedurally I do not think we have to do anything about that - as to the appeal - just noting, they have one, they will do their thing - if it goes forward, they'll announce a meeting for a hearing, I guess - but it does not ...
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: require any immediate action from us .. anyone see that differently?)
[2008/07/19 9:40] Jamie Palisades looks around
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: ok then, so much for appeal
[2008/07/19 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Procedurally, you're correct, Mr LRA.
[2008/07/19 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. technically our bill to remove the Chancellor is 'pending review' and not in effect.
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: and finally
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: 4. please be advised
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: Mr. Torok has resigned as replacement chancellor as of this morning.
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: He did so to make our burdens easier, not out of any issues with CDS
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: see here:
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1976
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: so
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: We need to elect a chancellor.
[2008/07/19 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh
[2008/07/19 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tricky :)
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: That concludes my announcements. Hello MT - please assent to the transcript when you get a chance
[2008/07/19 9:42] MT Lundquist: i assent
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: not at all, Gwyn. There is a vacancy.
[2008/07/19 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn quotes from the Hitch-Hiker's Guide.
[2008/07/19 9:42] Moon Adamant: Mr LRA
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: We fill it.
[2008/07/19 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: MT is here
[2008/07/19 9:42] Moon Adamant: if Pip resigned
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: Moon? Perhaps better if RA members speak first
[2008/07/19 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: i move MT run for chancellor
[2008/07/19 9:42] Moon Adamant: and if if the motion that removed Alex is suspended
[2008/07/19 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: and Rose
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: We should take nominations for chancellor next, Prin, yes.
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: and i move that Moon nominates for chancellor too
[2008/07/19 9:43] Moon Adamant: then Alex is still the Chancellor, correct?
[2008/07/19 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Procedurally, no  our vote to remove the Chancellor is a bill, and it's being reviewed by the SC, so it isn't in effect.
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: no hes not
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: is he?
[2008/07/19 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, if the SC does not veto the bill...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: I would like us to do three things
[2008/07/19 9:43] Moon Adamant: i'd prefer a qualified opinion, if you don't mind
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: all be still please
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: it wasnt legislation
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: hush
[2008/07/19 9:43] MT Lundquist: how can the sc question a bill within the constitution?
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: let's get the queue of items clear, hm?
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[2008/07/19 9:43] You: here is what I think we need to do, in this order
[2008/07/19 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: please listen, then RA members only, please critique it
[2008/07/19 9:44] MT Lundquist: sorry i need an update please
[2008/07/19 9:44] MT Lundquist: as i missed the start due to rl issues
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: 1. Listen to any RA member objections to proceeding with opening nominations for a replacement. Gwyn may already have one
[2008/07/19 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: chippies
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: :) chippies - I'm jealous - now that I know WHAT they are
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: 2...
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: 2. Hear any other relevant comments prior to nominations
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: 3. Take nominations - I know of two so far
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: 4. Vote
[2008/07/19 9:45] MT Lundquist: i'm afraid i'm not up to speed on this
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: now: can we do those 4 things in that order, RA members? SOund OK?
[2008/07/19 9:45] MT Lundquist: can i have an update please
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: MT: Pip resigned ... so vacancy ...
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: so first any rulemongering tricks :) then elections if we can
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: got it?
[2008/07/19 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for the order of discussion on 1.
[2008/07/19 9:46] You: on to rulemong - er - procedural ojections then :)
[2008/07/19 9:46] You: Gwyn you had something?
[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmpf.
[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, sure.
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[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All things that the RA does is either a) legislation or b) constitutional amendments.
[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In both cases, the SC has to review them before they officially are approved as such.
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, the SC has an internal procedure:
[2008/07/19 9:47] ThePrincess Parisi: ok i didnt know that
[2008/07/19 9:47] Jamie Palisades smiles and listens and will respond in due course
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (which to the best of my knowledge was never revoked)
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If any but of legislation approved by the RA
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is not flagged by any member of the SC in 48 hours after the transcript/journal/minutes of the RA are published
[2008/07/19 9:47] MT Lundquist: so can we even discuss this if the decision on the bill is under review
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: then the legislation gets approved automatically.
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, MT
[2008/07/19 9:48] You: let'sd let Gwyn finish first -- expeditiously, please
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's the objection.
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So...
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One member of the SC has indeed flagged the RA's decision to remove the Chancellor Alexicon Kurka from his office for review.
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now two things happen.
[2008/07/19 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) A SC meeting is called, and the SC can decide to veto the bill, or resubmit it to the RA again, or do nothing.
[2008/07/19 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) No SC meeting is called, but the Dean overrules the request for reviewing the bill
[2008/07/19 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: dont we have to wait then?
[2008/07/19 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: darn
[2008/07/19 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3) No SC meeting is called AND the Dean doesn't call a meeting. In that case, the bill NEVER becomes a law.
[2008/07/19 9:49] You: Gwyn.
[2008/07/19 9:49] You: Can we move from recitation of alleged SC procedure to what YOU believe the RA can or cannot do, please?
[2008/07/19 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: tartie rose
[2008/07/19 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, the RA can ignore whatever they please, but they will need to face the SC's wrath afterwards ;)
[2008/07/19 9:50] MT Lundquist: what no sc meeting ever
[2008/07/19 9:50] MT Lundquist: ??
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: (prin, no ill-meant personal remarks please)
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: Gwyn :)
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: You have not objected to our proposed actions :)
[2008/07/19 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: well she looks quite different today, i meant it not bad jamie
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: I acknowledge your fear of the SC's wrath :)
[2008/07/19 9:50] MT Lundquist: i object
[2008/07/19 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: i do too
[2008/07/19 9:51] MT Lundquist: on the basis that the last bill is before the SC
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So from the constitutional point of view, we never removed Alex as Chancellor, since the SC did not approve the bill... yet... and we shouldn't be electing a new one.
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: OK -- hang on :) MT let's get to you in a sec
[2008/07/19 9:51] MT Lundquist: for a decision as to its legality
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: i agree with gwyneth
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: heh heh
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: You two in cahoots two weeks in a row?
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: so we just have to wait jamie, you are so impatient
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles :)
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, exactly, I'd say we wait for the SC.
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: no we really love each other, but moon isnt keen
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: Let's see if we can get a restatement for clarity
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: MT either
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: I am addressing Gwyn :)
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: I have some simple questions
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: oh
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: I will ask for RA member comments after that :)
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I'm finished for now...
[2008/07/19 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: are we in cahoots gwyeniie
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No comments ;)
[2008/07/19 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: :(
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: Gwyn: it is your view that as soon as the SC flagged the appeal, Alexi was restored as chancellor?
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No,
[2008/07/19 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: she didnt say that jamie
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's the other way round
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: :) and I didn't ask you, Prin
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: please explain Gwyn
[2008/07/19 9:53] You: in nice little nonlawyer words please
[2008/07/19 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The bills we pass don't get automatically approved, Jamie. We have always to wait 48 hours to see if any member of the SC flags them for review or not.
[2008/07/19 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: ty cindy!
[2008/07/19 9:53] You: :) so it is your view as a former SC dean and all that, that no RA act has force for 48 hours?
[2008/07/19 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So a decision made today (assuming we'd publish the transcript today) would never enter in force before Monday
[2008/07/19 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that's how it works :)
[2008/07/19 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hey, much better than before... the RA used to wait weeks or months :D
[2008/07/19 9:54] You: :) I do not need to comment on that polar view as it may not affect us today :) I encourage the next RA to find out whether the SC in fact has the zen-like power claimed, and define it with some specificity :)
[2008/07/19 9:54] Flyingroc Chung: used to be the SC had to actively approve a bill before it became law
[2008/07/19 9:54] You: in the meantime
[2008/07/19 9:54] You: yes FR - and that CHANGED :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR, yes :) Now they can sleep in peace if nothing untoward happens :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] You: so - Gwyn - let's go with your theory :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 'theory' pfft
[2008/07/19 9:55] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi raises her hand
[2008/07/19 9:55] You: if so, then what was the effect of our electing Pip at the behest of you and others?
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The RA can approve whatever they please, Jamie
[2008/07/19 9:55] You: (All nonnormative descriptions of the legal rules are theory until proven, and people can disagree)
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean we can abolish the Constitution if we wish to vote on that
[2008/07/19 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: Sorry Prin, and thx, this IS taking some time, but I think we'd better get Gwyn's full view first, and understand if we wish to subscribe to it :)
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, if the SC flags any of our decisions for review before the 48 hour period is passed... well, the bill doesn't become a law
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, we COULD technically elect a new Chancellor today.
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: Gwyn. What was the effect in your view of our election of Pip?
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: last week
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Again, it would be up to the SC to see if that makes sense or not, and tell us before Monday
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The election of Pip wasn't validated
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: if flagged for appeal, and only if then :)
[2008/07/19 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: since the removal of Alex as Chancellor is pending review...
[2008/07/19 9:57] You: ah? our acts require positive validation, even if not appealed?
[2008/07/19 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, I mean, we can't have two Chancellors ;)
[2008/07/19 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: seems we should wait then .. the citizens were not happy that we didnt let them have an opportunity to have ppl say they wanted to be running for chancellor
[2008/07/19 9:57] MT Lundquist: thats true
[2008/07/19 9:57] MT Lundquist: would be a mess
[2008/07/19 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: you know what i mean.. i think we need to give notice
[2008/07/19 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: and let ppl say they are interested in running.. thats what they were mad about we didnt tell them we have ppl that can run if they want
[2008/07/19 9:57] You: :) here's my last question for RA member and rule-expert Gwyn: Who is chancellor right now in your view?
[2008/07/19 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right now? Alex, since the SC hasn't met yet
[2008/07/19 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: lets wait a week
[2008/07/19 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: so he was in a huff over nothing!
[2008/07/19 9:58] Moon Adamant raises her hand
[2008/07/19 9:58] You: OK - so - would it be incorrect in your view, gwyn, to repeal an act that is pending appeal? Or are we free to moot a pending appeal?
[2008/07/19 9:58] You: (My chat with SOME current SC members *suggests* that mooting it might not be illegal)
[2008/07/19 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So either the SC passes our bill, and Pip becomes Chancellor (until this morning when he resigns); or the SC veto'es/resubmits the bill, and we might have a second chance to vote on a new Chancellor; or the SC does nothing and, well, the thing fades away in the Void of Unpassed Bills :)
[2008/07/19 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: moon raised her hand jamie
[2008/07/19 9:59] Moon Adamant: i can wait
[2008/07/19 9:59] You: yes. And MT before her, and you afer that Prin
[2008/07/19 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In my view, Jamie, it's fine to repeal an act that is pending appeal.
[2008/07/19 9:59] You: Any more from you, Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We did that in the past actually.... so I see no problem with that. It becomes a political statement. :)
[2008/07/19 10:00] You: waiting for you to finish ... Then I have MT, the Prin, then Moon
[2008/07/19 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's all I guess...
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[2008/07/19 10:00] MT Lundquist: simply i object to playing with bills until they have gone through due process i.e. the SC
[2008/07/19 10:00] Jamie Palisades asks MT if he still wants to speak this time - noting we have no motion yet and are talking procedure
[2008/07/19 10:01] MT Lundquist: i therefore object to anything else at this stage
[2008/07/19 10:01] MT Lundquist: i want us to wait for the SC
[2008/07/19 10:01] MT Lundquist: if its needed I will make a motion that we wait for the sc decision
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: not yet :) chance for that in a sec
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: thanks
[2008/07/19 10:02] ThePrincess Parisi: I think its important that we let them rule on this
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: Prin? your turn?
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: (and then Moon)
[2008/07/19 10:03] You: anything from you for now Prin?
[2008/07/19 10:03] ThePrincess Parisi: i said i think its really important that .. we let the SC rule.. i mean
[2008/07/19 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: with all thts been said in the forums and all, its a shame to not let them do thier thing.. and let the checks and balances be in place
[2008/07/19 10:04] You: OK. Moon (thx for patience)
[2008/07/19 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: let democracy run its course .. also
[2008/07/19 10:04] You: oops - sorry Prin, let me know when done - 2 mins limit please
[2008/07/19 10:04] Rose Springvale raises hand quietly
[2008/07/19 10:04] Moon Adamant: oh, just a simple comment
[2008/07/19 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: sok
[2008/07/19 10:04] You: Ok: moon, then rose
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: if as shown here, there is no de jure bill to remove Alex from offcie untill the SC decides
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: and there appears to be a will to wait the SC decision
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: then Alex should be reinstated in office
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: not only dde facto
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: as also de jure
[2008/07/19 10:05] MT Lundquist: see gwyns comments he never left
[2008/07/19 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: how can he be reinstated if he indeed never was removed
[2008/07/19 10:06] You: let's let speakers finish please
[2008/07/19 10:06] Moon Adamant: thus invalidating any election for chancellor until the new RA is seated or the SC confirms the bill, whatever happens first
[2008/07/19 10:06] You: more, Moon?
[2008/07/19 10:06] Moon Adamant: any election*
[2008/07/19 10:06] Moon Adamant: no, finished, mr. LRA
[2008/07/19 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: but wont that depend on what the SC decides?
[2008/07/19 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: if they indeed remove then .. well
[2008/07/19 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then it's back to the RA to find a replacement, I guess :)
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry.
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: Rose is next
[2008/07/19 10:07] Rose Springvale: ready?
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: go pls
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: (I'm in the queue after that and will ask for others when Rose is done)
[2008/07/19 10:07] Rose Springvale: It seems to me that we are looking to the SC to resolve an issue that appears to be a political question, and withing the purview of the RA
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: resolve or affirm
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: simply that the RA ahs the power to vote
[2008/07/19 10:08] Rose Springvale: and as a matter of policy, it seems to me that the RA is supposed to be representing the people
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: :((
[2008/07/19 10:08] You: (let us know when done please Rose)
[2008/07/19 10:08] Rose Springvale: So personally, i'd like to see the RA withdraw is motion to remove the chancellor
[2008/07/19 10:09] Rose Springvale: as both a representation of our community, and out of fairness. I'd rather the RA do its work than wait for the SC to slap its hands
[2008/07/19 10:09] Rose Springvale: done
[2008/07/19 10:09] Sonja Strom holds up her hand
[2008/07/19 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe :) good point, Rose :)
[2008/07/19 10:09] Sonja Strom: yes, that is a good point
[2008/07/19 10:09] MT Lundquist: i'd simply like to follow the procedure set down
[2008/07/19 10:09] MT Lundquist: ie let the SC do its job
[2008/07/19 10:10] MT Lundquist: it has a job
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: Thanks. I have myself - but will wait for those who haven't yet spoken - and Sonja - and then maybe MT and Gwyn again?
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: so
[2008/07/19 10:10] MT Lundquist: lets let it do it
[2008/07/19 10:10] Sonja Strom: It has been pointed out to me that so far as we can see, Alexicon has not requested that he be allowed to continue as Chancellor or be reinstated. Do we know that he in fact wants to be?
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: Sonja next please
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: :) yes Sonja
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: I talked to him after learning of Pip's resignation
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: he is willing to serve the remainder of his term and would like to do so.
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: I'd have to ask that, if I were planning to make that motion :) ...
[2008/07/19 10:10] Sonja Strom: ok, thanks
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: then i may respond to his slander about me and MT
[2008/07/19 10:11] Arria Perreault: don't forget that Alex's team has some tasks to achieve too
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: he has lied in the forums
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: Prin
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: so if you want to reinstate him for that ok
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: you may speak against him WHEN and IF it's pertinent :) not yet
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: yes we will talk about alexicons team arria
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: sonja? done?
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: and did I adequately answer?
[2008/07/19 10:12] You: sonja?
[2008/07/19 10:12] You: I will assume you are done then
[2008/07/19 10:12] You: in which case I have myself queued, and then will see if other RA members have more ...
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: I was prepared to assume that we needed to fill Pip's vacancy ...
[2008/07/19 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not quite sure if I might speak afterwards and propose a motion...
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: .. which means a new election ...
[2008/07/19 10:13] Sonja Strom: yes, my question was answered, thanks
[2008/07/19 10:13] MT Lundquist: and remember i have a motion pending to
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: (yes MT - trying to sort out what order we take 'em in and which all we have )
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: .. but Gwyn believes we cannot hold an election as it's premature ... so perhaps she has a suggestion about ...
[2008/07/19 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/07/19 10:14] You: ... what IS procedurally appropriate, smile. My own take is this:
[2008/07/19 10:14] You: We CAN act to do nothing (MT's motion) .. and ..
[2008/07/19 10:15] You: We CAN act to ratify the view that Alexi is still chancellor (by reason of appeal) until replaced ...
[2008/07/19 10:15] You: ... which would mean he's out if SC refuses appeal, as of that moment ...
[2008/07/19 10:15] You: .. and we CAN also vote if we wish to select someone now CONTINGENTLY if and when a vacancy takes effect
[2008/07/19 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for her turn and asks for 2 minutes whenever that is appropriate.
[2008/07/19 10:16] MT Lundquist: can we do contingently?
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: .. the third seems safest to me, but let's talk about it. I suggest Gwyn talk next, then we let MT's motion come to the floor, than take one from Gwyn if MT's doesn't end the matter
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: sure MT
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok...
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: I just do not like the idea of it staying vacant
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, a short introduction... :)
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: First... why did the RA vote to remove Alex from office?
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: basically, because during the session of July 12,
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the RA could not validate that the Executive had any intention to follow its direct instructions to make payments
[2008/07/19 10:17] You: (me notes Gwyn's clock is gone, uses his own)
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We tried a lot to figure out if people were paid or not
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We failed to find anyone who got a payment.
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But
[2008/07/19 10:17] MT Lundquist: and they weren't
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Executive DID make the payments.
[2008/07/19 10:17] Sonja Strom: Hi Alexicon
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: To the last cent.
[2008/07/19 10:17] Arria Perreault: Hi Alex :-)
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The RA didn't know that, until 4 minutes after having voted.
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: after the bill was passed
[2008/07/19 10:18] Alexicon Kurka: hi all
[2008/07/19 10:18] Moon Adamant: hi alex :)
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In my view, it was a problem of bad communication â€â€
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: no
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: only two days and after twisteing his arm and binging him in here over and over
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Chancellor DID request the payments; the Treasurer DID make them
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: the money was paid AFTER the bill passed
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: AFTER
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: no on THURSDAY
[2008/07/19 10:18] Arria Perreault: only the payment
[2008/07/19 10:18] Arria Perreault: not the order
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the point, MT & Prin, is that the Executive DID follow the orders. They didn't refuse.
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: of the week after the final ulimatum
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: no
[2008/07/19 10:18] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: he had refused for ages
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: they didnt make the payment
[2008/07/19 10:18] You: all sto please
[2008/07/19 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: until he was threatened
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] MT Lundquist: the whole point is the payment
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: They got a week to do so, and did the transfers about 168 hours after we've requested, take an hour or two.
[2008/07/19 10:19] Moon Adamant: Gwyn has asked for time, i think
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes... well... my understanding is:
[2008/07/19 10:19] MT Lundquist: thats been pointed out to me by the EO about tier fees
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: I want Gwyn to be able to finish uninterrupted FOR the SHORT remainder of her time please
[2008/07/19 10:19] MT Lundquist: its the payment that matters
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: one thing is removing a Chancellor from office because he refuses to obey the RA's laws.
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: MT you are out of order please wait your turn
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The other thing is to remove a Chancellor because of bad communication!
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, we voted on the removal because from RA's PoV the Executive did NOT act
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: or perhaps imcompetency
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: in*
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, the Executive just failed to inform us of their intentions... and did things *slightly* delayed.
[2008/07/19 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: he didnt for six months
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: slighlty
[2008/07/19 10:20] You: (your 4 minutes, twice what you asked for, is over in 30 secs)
[2008/07/19 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: oh come on .. slightly.. six months!
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: 6 months
[2008/07/19 10:20] You: excuse me
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alas, Prin, the bill we passed set a deadline: july 12
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the past 6 months were a bit irrelevant
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: SO
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: and it was missed
[2008/07/19 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: that was an ultimatum.. with LOTs of other things that he did wrong
[2008/07/19 10:20] You: are we carousing or governing?
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My motion is to do two things:
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: and may i reind you LLEWLY, miss.... that when i told you i got paid.. YOU SAID.. my vote remains...
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: (MT and Prin please make your comments WHEN we are debating the two motions we will have, and WHEN they are pertinent.)
[2008/07/19 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) Vote on a reprimand to the Executive to fail to communicate properly their intentions in such an urgent and important matter: the office of the Chancellor was at stake!
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: so what changed.. CSDF didnt like you voting your mind
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: Prin
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: you are out of order
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: ok im done
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: well i want time to answer later then.. ok ?
[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) Repeal the removal from office voted last week, since the assumptions that we based it on to make a vote simply are not correct.
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: if there are no more rude interrutions I will wait for gwyn to finish typing her motion before anything else.
[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn is basically ignoring interruptions; I'm good at it ;)
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: Gwyn. Is that it?
[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Mr. LRA, it is :) ty verymuch!
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: thank you. Here is where we are
[2008/07/19 10:22] Sonja Strom: I'm sorry, what was number 1)?
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[2008/07/19 10:22] You: I plan to take up MT's motion now - it came first
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: THEN
[2008/07/19 10:23] You: We will restate Gwyn's motion anf take it up IF it has not been mooted by MTs
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