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RA Meeting 19 July 2008 Transcript

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See http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2008 for a non-normative (unofficial) index of the action items and main points from this meeting.
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Transcript of 19 July 2008 Representative Assembly Meeting
conducted at the Colonia Nova Praetorium
Recorded by Jamie Palisades (= "You", below)
Topic separators "----" inserted to separate agenda items (or at least topical divisions)
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[2008/07/19 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in June it would be sardines... lol
[2008/07/19 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: in November, roasted chestnuts...
[2008/07/19 9:09] You: mmmmm Big glass of papaya juice and .. um .. a handful of sardines ...
[2008/07/19 9:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Jamie :D
[2008/07/19 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh in Neufreistadt, it would be chicken hats...
[2008/07/19 9:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In Colonia Nova, most likely... togas ;)
[2008/07/19 9:10] ThePrincess Parisi: :)
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we get our own traditions here too ;)
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: chicken hats. Man I hate the taste of those feathers.
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: well
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: shall we get started?
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL jamie!
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[2008/07/19 9:11] You: 1a
[2008/07/19 9:11] Jon Seattle: Hi Arria :)
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Arria, hello!
[2008/07/19 9:11] You: Please indicate your assent to our recording a transcript. I assent.
[2008/07/19 9:11] Arria Perreault: Hi everybody :-))
[2008/07/19 9:11] Justice Soothsayer: I assent.
[2008/07/19 9:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I assent.
[2008/07/19 9:11] ThePrincess Parisi: i assent
[2008/07/19 9:11] Arria Perreault: I assent
[2008/07/19 9:11] Jon Seattle: I ascent
[2008/07/19 9:12] Sudane Erato: i agree
[2008/07/19 9:12] Rose Springvale: assent
[2008/07/19 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Jon, nice typo :)
[2008/07/19 9:12] Bells Semyorka: i assent
[2008/07/19 9:12] Rose Springvale: its all part of the cloud thing right jon?
[2008/07/19 9:12] Jon Seattle: I ascend as well?
[2008/07/19 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We're on a transcendental mood today!
[2008/07/19 9:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ommmmm
[2008/07/19 9:12] Sonja Strom: I assent
[2008/07/19 9:12] You: :) Spoken like a skeptical buddhist - right down to the question mark
[2008/07/19 9:12] Jon Seattle laughs
[2008/07/19 9:12] Justice Soothsayer snorts
[2008/07/19 9:13] Rose Springvale: brb
[2008/07/19 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Very Zen indeed.
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: Right.
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[2008/07/19 9:13] You: 1b
[2008/07/19 9:13] Sonja Strom: Hi Sheen
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: agenda
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1973
[2008/07/19 9:13] Sheen Runo: Hi
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: All are welcome, but this is a formal meeting, so please have a seat & enjoy politely.
[2008/07/19 9:13] ThePrincess Parisi: naffie!
[2008/07/19 9:13] Sonja Strom: hi Naftali
[2008/07/19 9:13] You: Any proposals for change to the posted agenda?
[2008/07/19 9:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hello, Naftali!!
[2008/07/19 9:14] You: (I have one)
[2008/07/19 9:14] Jon Seattle: Hi Naftali, Sheen
[2008/07/19 9:14] ThePrincess Parisi: give me the link please
[2008/07/19 9:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1973 Prin
[2008/07/19 9:14] You: agenda > http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1973
[2008/07/19 9:14] You: I would like to move item 4 to before item 2.
[2008/07/19 9:14] Moon Adamant: hello all :))
[2008/07/19 9:15] Sonja Strom: Hi Moon
[2008/07/19 9:15] Jon Seattle hugs Moon
[2008/07/19 9:15] You: anything on the agenda, with that change?
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[2008/07/19 9:15] You: ok then

[2008/07/19 9:15] You: 1c
[2008/07/19 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, I'd wait until we're quorate
[2008/07/19 9:15] You: we are :)
[2008/07/19 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh!
[2008/07/19 9:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn counts
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: I see 4 of seven present
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: unless you're a Gwynbot
[2008/07/19 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah perfect then. Sorry.
[2008/07/19 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm a bot, yes :D
[2008/07/19 9:16] Jamie Palisades looks CAREFULLY at Gwyn's floating last name
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: Ya never know
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: 1c ...
[2008/07/19 9:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
[2008/07/19 9:16] You: Other than RA members, and Moon on the sim4 stuff, anyone else have a specific plan to talk to us today, so we can get you in the agenda?
[2008/07/19 9:17] Jamie Palisades looks around
[2008/07/19 9:17] Justice Soothsayer plans on being a quiet observer
[2008/07/19 9:17] Moon Adamant: i intend to speak
[2008/07/19 9:17] Sonja Strom: Is ThePrincess no longer here?
[2008/07/19 9:17] Moon Adamant: just in case :)
[2008/07/19 9:17] You: OK - on items other than sim4 Moon? Fine, just let us know when ... (citizens get a privileged place and we save time if they tell us now - that's why we have this agenda item)
[2008/07/19 9:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Prin looks pretty invisible to me.
[2008/07/19 9:18] Rose Springvale: sigh
[2008/07/19 9:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn counts again
[2008/07/19 9:19] You: so noted. Usually at this point we wait a minute to see if it's a crash issue
[2008/07/19 9:19] You: I weill make some suggestions about how to proceed otherwise, smile
[2008/07/19 9:20] Jamie Palisades smiles placidly and checks a few things offline
[2008/07/19 9:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn places a clock behind Jamie
[2008/07/19 9:20] You: gwyn? Is that necessary, or do you have a point?
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: Hi FRC
[2008/07/19 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh
[2008/07/19 9:21] You: aparently not :)
[2008/07/19 9:21] Sonja Strom: Hi FR
[2008/07/19 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (no I haven't)
[2008/07/19 9:21] Flyingroc Chung: hi
[2008/07/19 9:21] You: Er - I like you too Roc
[2008/07/19 9:21] Jon Seattle: yay FR!
[2008/07/19 9:21] Flyingroc Chung: huh?
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: smile
[2008/07/19 9:21] Flyingroc Chung: am I sitting on someone?
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: you are on his lap
[2008/07/19 9:21] Moon Adamant: hi FR :)
[2008/07/19 9:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're VERY welcome, FRC!
[2008/07/19 9:21] You: ahem, smile
[2008/07/19 9:21] Rose Springvale: seat next to him FRC
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: there we go - and welcome
[2008/07/19 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Once more, the primate saves the day!
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: this is a good meeting for us to have quorum
[2008/07/19 9:22] Sonja Strom: wb ThePrincess
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: :) even if all might not wish it
[2008/07/19 9:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 9:22] Rose Springvale: yay for all RA members who come to meetings!
[2008/07/19 9:22] ThePrincess Parisi: thank you
[2008/07/19 9:22] Flyingroc Chung: sorry about being absent last couple of ones
[2008/07/19 9:22] Flyingroc Chung: RL
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: ah. Prin. Roc has joined us, and I see you are back. I hope thelaptop's behaving OK for you.
[2008/07/19 9:22] You: no prob
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2008/07/19 9:23] You: we were on 1d
[2008/07/19 9:23] You: Routine notice - let me know if the RA transcripts need correcting please
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[2008/07/19 9:23] You: 1e
[2008/07/19 9:23] You: Future meetings :)
[2008/07/19 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: MT is on his way
[2008/07/19 9:23] You: We have one more scheduled
[2008/07/19 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: he asked to wait
[2008/07/19 9:23] ThePrincess Parisi: please
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: OK Prin - n p if he's here soon - let's finish up the routine stuff
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: 1e
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: This RA meets next Saturday at 9 am SLT
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (no issues on the transcript, actually, rather the contrary ;) )
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: and that's out last scheduled meeting
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: Polls for the current election close today at noon LST
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Jamie. In NFS or CN?
[2008/07/19 9:24] You: NDS, we rotate :)
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or AM... we could do that for a change
[2008/07/19 9:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, right, ok.
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: and then I will if no one objects arrange for a tentative first meeting date for the newly seated RA on the next Saturday
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: let's see, what IS that?
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: 2 august
[2008/07/19 9:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: and they can get off and running
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: I will communicate this to the elected incoming members after they;re annoucned :)
[2008/07/19 9:25] You: If they have an LRA that person can do as they like
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: but we'll svae a tentative time for them for conveience, subject to change
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: thatg's it for schedule
[2008/07/19 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh. Well. They'll decide on their own, but ok.
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: where
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: let me just ask -- no big probs with meeting next wek? any big items lurking that we're supposed to get to by then?
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: we ususally do an announcement
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: I agree Gwyn - just making it easy for the handoff - new LRA can change it
[2008/07/19 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean when we are all together
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: anouncement of what prin?
[2008/07/19 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: the new RA
[2008/07/19 9:27] ThePrincess Parisi: who will tell that
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: when
[2008/07/19 9:26] ThePrincess Parisi: and where
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: ah
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: 1. SC will announce
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: 2. that SHOULD produce a new LRA
[2008/07/19 9:26] You: 3. that person will handle it
[2008/07/19 9:26] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah... usually it's supposed to be the SC making the announcement
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: 4. I am not going to POST that meeting date
[2008/07/19 9:27] Jon Seattle: yes
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: 5. but we'll just sav ethat saturday slto for them if they want it
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: ok? makes sense to all?
[2008/07/19 9:27] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2008/07/19 9:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1-3 surely
[2008/07/19 9:27] Connected
[2008/07/19 9:27] You: and this time I will make sure they get forum posting access immediately ? Right Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn *coughs*
[2008/07/19 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: riiight :)
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: what
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: heh heh do not worry too much about me influencing the poor, shrinking, terrified new LRA Gwyn
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: i mean we arent meeting to find out who won?
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: now?
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: No Prin
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: she wont be terrified
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: 'polls close at noon
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: why
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: She? :)
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: so what when jon gives the info then the PIO announces
[2008/07/19 9:28] Flyingroc Chung: omg I havent voted.
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: Arria
[2008/07/19 9:28] You: I was staying gender neutral myself until the polls close
[2008/07/19 9:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR!!!!
[2008/07/19 9:28] ThePrincess Parisi: go vote FR
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn strangles the ape slowly
[2008/07/19 9:29] Flyingroc Chung: brb
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Ahem :) polls are open for an hour AFTER this meeting concludes folks
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Roc
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: too late lol
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: roc go vote ffs
[2008/07/19 9:29] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles*
[2008/07/19 9:29] Jamie Palisades sighs
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: sighs
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Gwyn you and quorum seem to be an issue todaay ...
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have an idea!
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: what quaorom
[2008/07/19 9:29] Jon Seattle: Yes, the polls will close at noon SLT.
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: what is your idea gwyen
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll go away, and the quorum problems will disappear :)
[2008/07/19 9:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/19 9:29] Arria Perreault: the PIO must wait the conformation of the SC chair
[2008/07/19 9:29] ThePrincess Parisi: ok bye
[2008/07/19 9:29] You: Gwyn if you are done with correcting me on transition matters, or trying, can we continue?
[2008/07/19 9:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure thing, Mr LRA :)
[2008/07/19 9:30] Jamie Palisades pleasantly smiles and waits
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[2008/07/19 9:30] You: 1f
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: consent items?
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: I know of none
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: who bought the guided tour?
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: that would bring us to item 4 - which we moved to in front of item 2
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: since its six months old that issue
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: EXCUSE ME
[2008/07/19 9:30] ThePrincess Parisi: i have an issue of concsent
[2008/07/19 9:30] Moon Adamant: sighs
[2008/07/19 9:30] You: got it - tour :)
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi sticks her tongue out at moon
[2008/07/19 9:31] You: it's consent only if not controversial and easy to pass without objection :) have one of those?
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah thats not controversial
[2008/07/19 9:31] You: OK :) what?
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: we voted it in last term
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: who when and where is the tour
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: lets vote to get it
[2008/07/19 9:31] ThePrincess Parisi: no quorum
[2008/07/19 9:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR is back in... :)
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: oh good
[2008/07/19 9:32] Flyingroc Chung: hi
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: wheeew
[2008/07/19 9:32] Rose Springvale: wb FRC
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: i keep crashing today
[2008/07/19 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Excellent timing, Mr Chung!
[2008/07/19 9:32] Moon Adamant: wb FR
[2008/07/19 9:32] You: OK. Tour.
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: so can we vote to go ahead a buy a tour
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: see the thing about it being transfer has to do with the stuff like the things....
[2008/07/19 9:32] You: Prin - I do not know because the person who woudl tell us is the chancellor, who as you may recall was removed :)
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: like ......
[2008/07/19 9:32] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the last suggestion we had last week was that we'd get not one, but at least two "tour devices", so that a copy can be delivered to the Content Archivist
[2008/07/19 9:32] ThePrincess Parisi: well its not for him to say
[2008/07/19 9:32] Moon Adamant: really?
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: cos he misunderstood that the reason we need to have things in archives
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: that cant be resplaced
[2008/07/19 9:33] You: Do you have a motion to make regarding this that you would like to sugest is noncontroversial? If not let's create a new agenda item 5 at THE END of the agenda
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: replaced
[2008/07/19 9:33] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine in recommending that the Executive buys at least two devices...
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: yes i move that we go ahead and buy two guided tour vehicles
[2008/07/19 9:33] You: (the consent agenda is only for little, quick stuff) (anything else is out of order, and comes AFTER scheduled items)
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: cos he misunderstood
[2008/07/19 9:33] ThePrincess Parisi: that is pretty fast
[2008/07/19 9:33] You: OK that's a motion, basically directing the executive to act
[2008/07/19 9:34] You: is there a second?
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* well, a recommendation
[2008/07/19 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: no lets direct .. that we have it bought by someone else
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm fine in seconding it.
[2008/07/19 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: not the chancellor since h e has had six months and its not done
[2008/07/19 9:34] You: waiting for a second - if none I will suggest we take this BACK up near meeting end, when we can take more time with it
[2008/07/19 9:34] ThePrincess Parisi: someone besides the chancelor
[2008/07/19 9:34] Moon Adamant: er, it must the content archivist then
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Moon
[2008/07/19 9:34] You: ah good point :)
[2008/07/19 9:34] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie: [9:37] You: I'm fine in seconding it.
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: You being me... I mean...
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
[2008/07/19 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: who is you
[2008/07/19 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: am i you
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: hahah hang on
[2008/07/19 9:35] ThePrincess Parisi: no im bells
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: ah got it - gwyn seconded
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: OK then
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I'm also ok in discussing it under point 5, Mr LRA
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Your call really...
[2008/07/19 9:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
[2008/07/19 9:35] You: here's the deal :) are you two agreed on whether this is a direction or a recommendation? if so we have a motion
[2008/07/19 9:36] You: and second
[2008/07/19 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh I see your point. Well... it's a recommendation, since if it's not, well, it becomes a bill, and the Chancellor can veto it ;)
[2008/07/19 9:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A recommendation can be simply ignored ;)
[2008/07/19 9:36] You: so it's a motion to direct
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: OK :) any other RA members wish to speak? Any prob with just passing it wihtout objection?
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: yes to direct someone like moon to buy the guided tour.. someone unbiased
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: FRankly I think this needs more work and oprefer to do it as item 5
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: good point
[2008/07/19 9:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhh in that case I withdraw my second; I'm fine with a recommendation, not a direct order :P I think that's a bad precedent, and we had our shares of badly gone direct orders :S
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: we don't quite know who we're directing for example
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: what more work could it need it happened six months ag o
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: ahem :)
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: gimme a break
[2008/07/19 9:37] ThePrincess Parisi: its ten dollars
[2008/07/19 9:37] You: let's do it today and take it up - AFTER items 2 3 4
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: ive waited over six months
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: NO
[2008/07/19 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, I'm fine with that discussion under point 5.
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: Prin I think we can get it done, just needs a bit of sanding on the edges
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: im not
[2008/07/19 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, let's vote then :)
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: I rule it's not a consent item, though
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[2008/07/19 9:38] You: on to agenda item 4
[2008/07/19 9:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: (which we moved to before 2)
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: ok w/e
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: Chancellor removal items
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: first some announcements
[2008/07/19 9:38] ThePrincess Parisi: MT is on his way too
[2008/07/19 9:38] Moon Adamant listens
[2008/07/19 9:38] You: 1. Presumably you all know there's a lot of comment on the forums :)
[2008/07/19 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: and a lot of lies there
[2008/07/19 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: LOTS
[2008/07/19 9:39] You: 2. I already announced my own views, which I'm thinking you know too
[2008/07/19 9:39] You: 3. Please note there is a pending SC appeal
[2008/07/19 9:39] ThePrincess Parisi: you all call me a liar.. read the forum.. theres some pretty bad lies there that i didnt tell
[2008/07/19 9:39] You: (procedurally I do not think we have to do anything about that - as to the appeal - just noting, they have one, they will do their thing - if it goes forward, they'll announce a meeting for a hearing, I guess - but it does not ...
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: require any immediate action from us .. anyone see that differently?)
[2008/07/19 9:40] Jamie Palisades looks around
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: ok then, so much for appeal
[2008/07/19 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Procedurally, you're correct, Mr LRA.
[2008/07/19 9:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. technically our bill to remove the Chancellor is 'pending review' and not in effect.
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: and finally
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: 4. please be advised
[2008/07/19 9:40] You: Mr. Torok has resigned as replacement chancellor as of this morning.
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: He did so to make our burdens easier, not out of any issues with CDS
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: see here:
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: http://forums.slcds.info//viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1976
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: so
[2008/07/19 9:41] You: We need to elect a chancellor.
[2008/07/19 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmh
[2008/07/19 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tricky :)
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: That concludes my announcements. Hello MT - please assent to the transcript when you get a chance
[2008/07/19 9:42] MT Lundquist: i assent
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: not at all, Gwyn. There is a vacancy.
[2008/07/19 9:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn quotes from the Hitch-Hiker's Guide.
[2008/07/19 9:42] Moon Adamant: Mr LRA
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: We fill it.
[2008/07/19 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: MT is here
[2008/07/19 9:42] Moon Adamant: if Pip resigned
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: Moon? Perhaps better if RA members speak first
[2008/07/19 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: i move MT run for chancellor
[2008/07/19 9:42] Moon Adamant: and if if the motion that removed Alex is suspended
[2008/07/19 9:42] ThePrincess Parisi: and Rose
[2008/07/19 9:42] You: We should take nominations for chancellor next, Prin, yes.
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: and i move that Moon nominates for chancellor too
[2008/07/19 9:43] Moon Adamant: then Alex is still the Chancellor, correct?
[2008/07/19 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Procedurally, no — our vote to remove the Chancellor is a bill, and it's being reviewed by the SC, so it isn't in effect.
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: no hes not
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: is he?
[2008/07/19 9:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, if the SC does not veto the bill...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: I would like us to do three things
[2008/07/19 9:43] Moon Adamant: i'd prefer a qualified opinion, if you don't mind
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: all be still please
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: it wasnt legislation
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: ...
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: hush
[2008/07/19 9:43] MT Lundquist: how can the sc question a bill within the constitution?
[2008/07/19 9:43] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 9:43] You: let's get the queue of items clear, hm?
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[2008/07/19 9:43] You: here is what I think we need to do, in this order
[2008/07/19 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: please listen, then RA members only, please critique it
[2008/07/19 9:44] MT Lundquist: sorry i need an update please
[2008/07/19 9:44] MT Lundquist: as i missed the start due to rl issues
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: 1. Listen to any RA member objections to proceeding with opening nominations for a replacement. Gwyn may already have one
[2008/07/19 9:44] ThePrincess Parisi: chippies
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: :) chippies - I'm jealous - now that I know WHAT they are
[2008/07/19 9:44] You: 2...
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: 2. Hear any other relevant comments prior to nominations
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: 3. Take nominations - I know of two so far
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: 4. Vote
[2008/07/19 9:45] MT Lundquist: i'm afraid i'm not up to speed on this
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: now: can we do those 4 things in that order, RA members? SOund OK?
[2008/07/19 9:45] MT Lundquist: can i have an update please
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: MT: Pip resigned ... so vacancy ...
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: so first any rulemongering tricks :) then elections if we can
[2008/07/19 9:45] You: got it?
[2008/07/19 9:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for the order of discussion on 1.
[2008/07/19 9:46] You: on to rulemong - er - procedural ojections then :)
[2008/07/19 9:46] You: Gwyn you had something?
[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmpf.
[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, sure.
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[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: All things that the RA does is either a) legislation or b) constitutional amendments.
[2008/07/19 9:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In both cases, the SC has to review them before they officially are approved as such.
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, the SC has an internal procedure:
[2008/07/19 9:47] ThePrincess Parisi: ok i didnt know that
[2008/07/19 9:47] Jamie Palisades smiles and listens and will respond in due course
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (which to the best of my knowledge was never revoked)
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: If any but of legislation approved by the RA
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: is not flagged by any member of the SC in 48 hours after the transcript/journal/minutes of the RA are published
[2008/07/19 9:47] MT Lundquist: so can we even discuss this if the decision on the bill is under review
[2008/07/19 9:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: then the legislation gets approved automatically.
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Exactly, MT
[2008/07/19 9:48] You: let'sd let Gwyn finish first -- expeditiously, please
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's the objection.
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So...
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One member of the SC has indeed flagged the RA's decision to remove the Chancellor Alexicon Kurka from his office for review.
[2008/07/19 9:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now two things happen.
[2008/07/19 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) A SC meeting is called, and the SC can decide to veto the bill, or resubmit it to the RA again, or do nothing.
[2008/07/19 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) No SC meeting is called, but the Dean overrules the request for reviewing the bill
[2008/07/19 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: dont we have to wait then?
[2008/07/19 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: darn
[2008/07/19 9:49] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3) No SC meeting is called AND the Dean doesn't call a meeting. In that case, the bill NEVER becomes a law.
[2008/07/19 9:49] You: Gwyn.
[2008/07/19 9:49] You: Can we move from recitation of alleged SC procedure to what YOU believe the RA can or cannot do, please?
[2008/07/19 9:49] ThePrincess Parisi: tartie rose
[2008/07/19 9:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, the RA can ignore whatever they please, but they will need to face the SC's wrath afterwards ;)
[2008/07/19 9:50] MT Lundquist: what no sc meeting ever
[2008/07/19 9:50] MT Lundquist: ??
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: (prin, no ill-meant personal remarks please)
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: Gwyn :)
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: You have not objected to our proposed actions :)
[2008/07/19 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: well she looks quite different today, i meant it not bad jamie
[2008/07/19 9:50] You: I acknowledge your fear of the SC's wrath :)
[2008/07/19 9:50] MT Lundquist: i object
[2008/07/19 9:50] ThePrincess Parisi: i do too
[2008/07/19 9:51] MT Lundquist: on the basis that the last bill is before the SC
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So from the constitutional point of view, we never removed Alex as Chancellor, since the SC did not approve the bill... yet... and we shouldn't be electing a new one.
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: OK -- hang on :) MT let's get to you in a sec
[2008/07/19 9:51] MT Lundquist: for a decision as to its legality
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: i agree with gwyneth
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: heh heh
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: You two in cahoots two weeks in a row?
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: so we just have to wait jamie, you are so impatient
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles :)
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, exactly, I'd say we wait for the SC.
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: no we really love each other, but moon isnt keen
[2008/07/19 9:51] Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: Let's see if we can get a restatement for clarity
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: MT either
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: I am addressing Gwyn :)
[2008/07/19 9:51] You: I have some simple questions
[2008/07/19 9:51] ThePrincess Parisi: oh
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: I will ask for RA member comments after that :)
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I'm finished for now...
[2008/07/19 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: are we in cahoots gwyeniie
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No comments ;)
[2008/07/19 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: :(
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: Gwyn: it is your view that as soon as the SC flagged the appeal, Alexi was restored as chancellor?
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No,
[2008/07/19 9:52] ThePrincess Parisi: she didnt say that jamie
[2008/07/19 9:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: it's the other way round
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: :) and I didn't ask you, Prin
[2008/07/19 9:52] You: please explain Gwyn
[2008/07/19 9:53] You: in nice little nonlawyer words please
[2008/07/19 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The bills we pass don't get automatically approved, Jamie. We have always to wait 48 hours to see if any member of the SC flags them for review or not.
[2008/07/19 9:53] ThePrincess Parisi: ty cindy!
[2008/07/19 9:53] You: :) so it is your view as a former SC dean and all that, that no RA act has force for 48 hours?
[2008/07/19 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So a decision made today (assuming we'd publish the transcript today) would never enter in force before Monday
[2008/07/19 9:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that's how it works :)
[2008/07/19 9:54] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hey, much better than before... the RA used to wait weeks or months :D
[2008/07/19 9:54] You: :) I do not need to comment on that polar view as it may not affect us today :) I encourage the next RA to find out whether the SC in fact has the zen-like power claimed, and define it with some specificity :)
[2008/07/19 9:54] Flyingroc Chung: used to be the SC had to actively approve a bill before it became law
[2008/07/19 9:54] You: in the meantime
[2008/07/19 9:54] You: yes FR - and that CHANGED :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: FR, yes :) Now they can sleep in peace if nothing untoward happens :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] You: so - Gwyn - let's go with your theory :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 'theory' pfft
[2008/07/19 9:55] Sudane Erato: :)
[2008/07/19 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi raises her hand
[2008/07/19 9:55] You: if so, then what was the effect of our electing Pip at the behest of you and others?
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The RA can approve whatever they please, Jamie
[2008/07/19 9:55] You: (All nonnormative descriptions of the legal rules are theory until proven, and people can disagree)
[2008/07/19 9:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean we can abolish the Constitution if we wish to vote on that
[2008/07/19 9:55] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: Sorry Prin, and thx, this IS taking some time, but I think we'd better get Gwyn's full view first, and understand if we wish to subscribe to it :)
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, if the SC flags any of our decisions for review before the 48 hour period is passed... well, the bill doesn't become a law
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, we COULD technically elect a new Chancellor today.
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: Gwyn. What was the effect in your view of our election of Pip?
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: last week
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Again, it would be up to the SC to see if that makes sense or not, and tell us before Monday
[2008/07/19 9:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The election of Pip wasn't validated
[2008/07/19 9:56] You: if flagged for appeal, and only if then :)
[2008/07/19 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: since the removal of Alex as Chancellor is pending review...
[2008/07/19 9:57] You: ah? our acts require positive validation, even if not appealed?
[2008/07/19 9:57] Gwyneth Llewelyn: No, I mean, we can't have two Chancellors ;)
[2008/07/19 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: seems we should wait then .. the citizens were not happy that we didnt let them have an opportunity to have ppl say they wanted to be running for chancellor
[2008/07/19 9:57] MT Lundquist: thats true
[2008/07/19 9:57] MT Lundquist: would be a mess
[2008/07/19 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: you know what i mean.. i think we need to give notice
[2008/07/19 9:57] ThePrincess Parisi: and let ppl say they are interested in running.. thats what they were mad about we didnt tell them we have ppl that can run if they want
[2008/07/19 9:57] You: :) here's my last question for RA member and rule-expert Gwyn: Who is chancellor right now in your view?
[2008/07/19 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right now? Alex, since the SC hasn't met yet
[2008/07/19 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: lets wait a week
[2008/07/19 9:58] ThePrincess Parisi: so he was in a huff over nothing!
[2008/07/19 9:58] Moon Adamant raises her hand
[2008/07/19 9:58] You: OK - so - would it be incorrect in your view, gwyn, to repeal an act that is pending appeal? Or are we free to moot a pending appeal?
[2008/07/19 9:58] You: (My chat with SOME current SC members *suggests* that mooting it might not be illegal)
[2008/07/19 9:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So either the SC passes our bill, and Pip becomes Chancellor (until this morning when he resigns); or the SC veto'es/resubmits the bill, and we might have a second chance to vote on a new Chancellor; or the SC does nothing and, well, the thing fades away in the Void of Unpassed Bills :)
[2008/07/19 9:59] ThePrincess Parisi: moon raised her hand jamie
[2008/07/19 9:59] Moon Adamant: i can wait
[2008/07/19 9:59] You: yes. And MT before her, and you afer that Prin
[2008/07/19 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In my view, Jamie, it's fine to repeal an act that is pending appeal.
[2008/07/19 9:59] You: Any more from you, Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 9:59] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We did that in the past actually.... so I see no problem with that. It becomes a political statement. :)
[2008/07/19 10:00] You: waiting for you to finish ... Then I have MT, the Prin, then Moon
[2008/07/19 10:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's all I guess...
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[2008/07/19 10:00] MT Lundquist: simply i object to playing with bills until they have gone through due process i.e. the SC
[2008/07/19 10:00] Jamie Palisades asks MT if he still wants to speak this time - noting we have no motion yet and are talking procedure
[2008/07/19 10:01] MT Lundquist: i therefore object to anything else at this stage
[2008/07/19 10:01] MT Lundquist: i want us to wait for the SC
[2008/07/19 10:01] MT Lundquist: if its needed I will make a motion that we wait for the sc decision
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: not yet :) chance for that in a sec
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: thanks
[2008/07/19 10:02] ThePrincess Parisi: I think its important that we let them rule on this
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: Prin? your turn?
[2008/07/19 10:02] You: (and then Moon)
[2008/07/19 10:03] You: anything from you for now Prin?
[2008/07/19 10:03] ThePrincess Parisi: i said i think its really important that .. we let the SC rule.. i mean
[2008/07/19 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: with all thts been said in the forums and all, its a shame to not let them do thier thing.. and let the checks and balances be in place
[2008/07/19 10:04] You: OK. Moon (thx for patience)
[2008/07/19 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: let democracy run its course .. also
[2008/07/19 10:04] You: oops - sorry Prin, let me know when done - 2 mins limit please
[2008/07/19 10:04] Rose Springvale raises hand quietly
[2008/07/19 10:04] Moon Adamant: oh, just a simple comment
[2008/07/19 10:04] ThePrincess Parisi: sok
[2008/07/19 10:04] You: Ok: moon, then rose
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: if as shown here, there is no de jure bill to remove Alex from offcie untill the SC decides
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: and there appears to be a will to wait the SC decision
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: then Alex should be reinstated in office
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: not only dde facto
[2008/07/19 10:05] Moon Adamant: as also de jure
[2008/07/19 10:05] MT Lundquist: see gwyns comments he never left
[2008/07/19 10:05] ThePrincess Parisi: how can he be reinstated if he indeed never was removed
[2008/07/19 10:06] You: let's let speakers finish please
[2008/07/19 10:06] Moon Adamant: thus invalidating any election for chancellor until the new RA is seated or the SC confirms the bill, whatever happens first
[2008/07/19 10:06] You: more, Moon?
[2008/07/19 10:06] Moon Adamant: any election*
[2008/07/19 10:06] Moon Adamant: no, finished, mr. LRA
[2008/07/19 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: but wont that depend on what the SC decides?
[2008/07/19 10:06] ThePrincess Parisi: if they indeed remove then .. well
[2008/07/19 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then it's back to the RA to find a replacement, I guess :)
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:07] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry.
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: Rose is next
[2008/07/19 10:07] Rose Springvale: ready?
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: go pls
[2008/07/19 10:07] You: (I'm in the queue after that and will ask for others when Rose is done)
[2008/07/19 10:07] Rose Springvale: It seems to me that we are looking to the SC to resolve an issue that appears to be a political question, and withing the purview of the RA
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: resolve or affirm
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: simply that the RA ahs the power to vote
[2008/07/19 10:08] Rose Springvale: and as a matter of policy, it seems to me that the RA is supposed to be representing the people
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry
[2008/07/19 10:08] ThePrincess Parisi: :((
[2008/07/19 10:08] You: (let us know when done please Rose)
[2008/07/19 10:08] Rose Springvale: So personally, i'd like to see the RA withdraw is motion to remove the chancellor
[2008/07/19 10:09] Rose Springvale: as both a representation of our community, and out of fairness. I'd rather the RA do its work than wait for the SC to slap its hands
[2008/07/19 10:09] Rose Springvale: done
[2008/07/19 10:09] Sonja Strom holds up her hand
[2008/07/19 10:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe :) good point, Rose :)
[2008/07/19 10:09] Sonja Strom: yes, that is a good point
[2008/07/19 10:09] MT Lundquist: i'd simply like to follow the procedure set down
[2008/07/19 10:09] MT Lundquist: ie let the SC do its job
[2008/07/19 10:10] MT Lundquist: it has a job
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: Thanks. I have myself - but will wait for those who haven't yet spoken - and Sonja - and then maybe MT and Gwyn again?
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: so
[2008/07/19 10:10] MT Lundquist: lets let it do it
[2008/07/19 10:10] Sonja Strom: It has been pointed out to me that so far as we can see, Alexicon has not requested that he be allowed to continue as Chancellor or be reinstated. Do we know that he in fact wants to be?
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: Sonja next please
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: :) yes Sonja
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: I talked to him after learning of Pip's resignation
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: he is willing to serve the remainder of his term and would like to do so.
[2008/07/19 10:10] You: I'd have to ask that, if I were planning to make that motion :) ...
[2008/07/19 10:10] Sonja Strom: ok, thanks
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: then i may respond to his slander about me and MT
[2008/07/19 10:11] Arria Perreault: don't forget that Alex's team has some tasks to achieve too
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: he has lied in the forums
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: Prin
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: so if you want to reinstate him for that ok
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: you may speak against him WHEN and IF it's pertinent :) not yet
[2008/07/19 10:11] ThePrincess Parisi: yes we will talk about alexicons team arria
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: sonja? done?
[2008/07/19 10:11] You: and did I adequately answer?
[2008/07/19 10:12] You: sonja?
[2008/07/19 10:12] You: I will assume you are done then
[2008/07/19 10:12] You: in which case I have myself queued, and then will see if other RA members have more ...
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: I was prepared to assume that we needed to fill Pip's vacancy ...
[2008/07/19 10:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm not quite sure if I might speak afterwards and propose a motion...
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: .. which means a new election ...
[2008/07/19 10:13] Sonja Strom: yes, my question was answered, thanks
[2008/07/19 10:13] MT Lundquist: and remember i have a motion pending to
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: (yes MT - trying to sort out what order we take 'em in and which all we have )
[2008/07/19 10:13] You: .. but Gwyn believes we cannot hold an election as it's premature ... so perhaps she has a suggestion about ...
[2008/07/19 10:14] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/07/19 10:14] You: ... what IS procedurally appropriate, smile. My own take is this:
[2008/07/19 10:14] You: We CAN act to do nothing (MT's motion) .. and ..
[2008/07/19 10:15] You: We CAN act to ratify the view that Alexi is still chancellor (by reason of appeal) until replaced ...
[2008/07/19 10:15] You: ... which would mean he's out if SC refuses appeal, as of that moment ...
[2008/07/19 10:15] You: .. and we CAN also vote if we wish to select someone now CONTINGENTLY if and when a vacancy takes effect
[2008/07/19 10:15] Gwyneth Llewelyn waits for her turn and asks for 2 minutes whenever that is appropriate.
[2008/07/19 10:16] MT Lundquist: can we do contingently?
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: .. the third seems safest to me, but let's talk about it. I suggest Gwyn talk next, then we let MT's motion come to the floor, than take one from Gwyn if MT's doesn't end the matter
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: sure MT
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok...
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: I just do not like the idea of it staying vacant
[2008/07/19 10:16] You: Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, a short introduction... :)
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: First... why did the RA vote to remove Alex from office?
[2008/07/19 10:16] Gwyneth Llewelyn: basically, because during the session of July 12,
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the RA could not validate that the Executive had any intention to follow its direct instructions to make payments
[2008/07/19 10:17] You: (me notes Gwyn's clock is gone, uses his own)
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We tried a lot to figure out if people were paid or not
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: We failed to find anyone who got a payment.
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But
[2008/07/19 10:17] MT Lundquist: and they weren't
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Executive DID make the payments.
[2008/07/19 10:17] Sonja Strom: Hi Alexicon
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: To the last cent.
[2008/07/19 10:17] Arria Perreault: Hi Alex :-)
[2008/07/19 10:17] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The RA didn't know that, until 4 minutes after having voted.
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: after the bill was passed
[2008/07/19 10:18] Alexicon Kurka: hi all
[2008/07/19 10:18] Moon Adamant: hi alex :)
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: In my view, it was a problem of bad communication —
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: no
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: only two days and after twisteing his arm and binging him in here over and over
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Chancellor DID request the payments; the Treasurer DID make them
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: the money was paid AFTER the bill passed
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: AFTER
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: no on THURSDAY
[2008/07/19 10:18] Arria Perreault: only the payment
[2008/07/19 10:18] Arria Perreault: not the order
[2008/07/19 10:18] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, the point, MT & Prin, is that the Executive DID follow the orders. They didn't refuse.
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: of the week after the final ulimatum
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: no
[2008/07/19 10:18] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:18] ThePrincess Parisi: he had refused for ages
[2008/07/19 10:18] MT Lundquist: they didnt make the payment
[2008/07/19 10:18] You: all sto please
[2008/07/19 10:19] ThePrincess Parisi: until he was threatened
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] MT Lundquist: the whole point is the payment
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: They got a week to do so, and did the transfers about 168 hours after we've requested, take an hour or two.
[2008/07/19 10:19] Moon Adamant: Gwyn has asked for time, i think
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes... well... my understanding is:
[2008/07/19 10:19] MT Lundquist: thats been pointed out to me by the EO about tier fees
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: I want Gwyn to be able to finish uninterrupted FOR the SHORT remainder of her time please
[2008/07/19 10:19] MT Lundquist: its the payment that matters
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: one thing is removing a Chancellor from office because he refuses to obey the RA's laws.
[2008/07/19 10:19] You: MT you are out of order please wait your turn
[2008/07/19 10:19] Gwyneth Llewelyn: The other thing is to remove a Chancellor because of bad communication!
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, we voted on the removal because from RA's PoV the Executive did NOT act
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: or perhaps imcompetency
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: in*
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, the Executive just failed to inform us of their intentions... and did things *slightly* delayed.
[2008/07/19 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: he didnt for six months
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: slighlty
[2008/07/19 10:20] You: (your 4 minutes, twice what you asked for, is over in 30 secs)
[2008/07/19 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: oh come on .. slightly.. six months!
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: 6 months
[2008/07/19 10:20] You: excuse me
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alas, Prin, the bill we passed set a deadline: july 12
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: the past 6 months were a bit irrelevant
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: SO
[2008/07/19 10:20] MT Lundquist: and it was missed
[2008/07/19 10:20] ThePrincess Parisi: that was an ultimatum.. with LOTs of other things that he did wrong
[2008/07/19 10:20] You: are we carousing or governing?
[2008/07/19 10:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My motion is to do two things:
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: and may i reind you LLEWLY, miss.... that when i told you i got paid.. YOU SAID.. my vote remains...
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: (MT and Prin please make your comments WHEN we are debating the two motions we will have, and WHEN they are pertinent.)
[2008/07/19 10:21] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) Vote on a reprimand to the Executive to fail to communicate properly their intentions in such an urgent and important matter: the office of the Chancellor was at stake!
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: so what changed.. CSDF didnt like you voting your mind
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: Prin
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: you are out of order
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: ok im done
[2008/07/19 10:21] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:21] ThePrincess Parisi: well i want time to answer later then.. ok ?
[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) Repeal the removal from office voted last week, since the assumptions that we based it on to make a vote simply are not correct.
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: if there are no more rude interrutions I will wait for gwyn to finish typing her motion before anything else.
[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn is basically ignoring interruptions; I'm good at it ;)
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: Gwyn. Is that it?
[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Mr. LRA, it is :) ty verymuch!
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: thank you. Here is where we are
[2008/07/19 10:22] Sonja Strom: I'm sorry, what was number 1)?
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[2008/07/19 10:22] You: I plan to take up MT's motion now - it came first
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: THEN
[2008/07/19 10:23] You: We will restate Gwyn's motion anf take it up IF it has not been mooted by MTs
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Re: RA Meeting 19 July 2008 Transcript (part 2)

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[2008/07/19 10:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Mr. LRA, it is :) ty verymuch!
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: thank you. Here is where we are
[2008/07/19 10:22] Sonja Strom: I'm sorry, what was number 1)?
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[2008/07/19 10:22] You: I plan to take up MT's motion now - it came first
[2008/07/19 10:22] You: THEN
[2008/07/19 10:23] You: We will restate Gwyn's motion an take it up IF it has not been mooted by MTs
[2008/07/19 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sonja: 1) Vote on a reprimand to the Executive to fail to communicate properly their intentions in such an urgent and important matter: the office of the Chancellor was at stake!
[2008/07/19 10:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: A reprimand is not even a bill, it's a slap on their wrists saying: "you guys were naughty! tsk! forcing us to do bad decisions" :)
[2008/07/19 10:23] You: any RA member see a problem with doing those 2 things?
[2008/07/19 10:23] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: i do
[2008/07/19 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: LOTS
[2008/07/19 10:23] ThePrincess Parisi: cos i disagree totally with what gwyen said
[2008/07/19 10:24] You: OK but :) can we vote on MT's motion?
[2008/07/19 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: 1. i got my pay ment four minutes after we voted and i IMd gwyen and she said.. so what i would still vote to do this the same.. answer me why its different now gwyen
[2008/07/19 10:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Vote against it, then :)
[2008/07/19 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: im andswering
[2008/07/19 10:24] You: and thn you can speak AGAINST Gwyn's
[2008/07/19 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: i have a lot to say about what gwyen said
[2008/07/19 10:24] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:24] ThePrincess Parisi: ill wait
[2008/07/19 10:24] You: MT just for our record, can you restate your motion please?
[2008/07/19 10:24] MT Lundquist: i would like to hear prins augument
[2008/07/19 10:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Me too.
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: once it's made, yes
[2008/07/19 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: what is your motion. please?
[2008/07/19 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: i just asked gwyen a qustions first i wanna know that
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: and what I do not want
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: is rambling chat without a point
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: so
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: where
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: is
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: the
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: motion?
[2008/07/19 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: what am i supoosed to do
[2008/07/19 10:25] You: MT? do you or do you not have one?
[2008/07/19 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: he said he wanted me to talk first then give his motion
[2008/07/19 10:25] MT Lundquist: the motion is
[2008/07/19 10:25] Moon Adamant: wait a bit Princess
[2008/07/19 10:25] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 10:26] MT Lundquist: yes i do want to hear prin first
[2008/07/19 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: this is very important
[2008/07/19 10:26] Moon Adamant: sighs
[2008/07/19 10:26] You: OK :) no motion is on the table. Prin, 4 minutes :) only fair, Gwyn got that
[2008/07/19 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: when i got my payment four mins after the RA voted fro MANY other reasons than what she said btw
[2008/07/19 10:26] ThePrincess Parisi: and... i said to gwyen i got it
[2008/07/19 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: she said omg.. its still very late..a nd i would still vote to keep him out .. i would not change my vote
[2008/07/19 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: why gwyen?
[2008/07/19 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: why did you say that then
[2008/07/19 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: now you changed your mind?
[2008/07/19 10:27] ThePrincess Parisi: and if we are voting to repeal what we did, then there are MANY other reasons that he needed to be removed.. and he LIED on the forum about me and MT and that HAS to be fully explored i think before we repeal anything
[2008/07/19 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: gwyen can you answer me?
[2008/07/19 10:28] You: Prin? First: are you done?
[2008/07/19 10:28] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (I will, in two minutes :) )
[2008/07/19 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: why did you say i would vote that anyway.. even if you got your payment
[2008/07/19 10:28] ThePrincess Parisi: well ok .. lets go to the beginning.. alexicon .. has said in the forums he asked me months ago to find out about a transfer guided tour..
[2008/07/19 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: because he ahs misunderstood his directive about archives.. this is no transfer.. but its not a unique item
[2008/07/19 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: it can be purchansed at any time
[2008/07/19 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: unlike a unique building
[2008/07/19 10:29] You: (90 seconds remain.)
[2008/07/19 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: so one he didnt have any reason to do that .. and he only asked me when he was only confronted by us that he handt dont it
[2008/07/19 10:29] ThePrincess Parisi: also he was making decisions about the events person based on ARIAs lies
[2008/07/19 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: and he made a volutneer for CDS suffer publically because he had not done his job
[2008/07/19 10:30] ThePrincess Parisi: also he tried to get us to py a him for things he did for us.. and really made a mockery out of our budget
[2008/07/19 10:30] Moon Adamant: are we being transcripted?
[2008/07/19 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: he didnt come back with the answers we asked, he didnt get the report on the website to us... like he was supposed to .. there were tons of other things.. starting at the beginning .. when he had
[2008/07/19 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: toget note cards out in the LM givers.. he didnt do it for three months
[2008/07/19 10:31] You: (Moon - yes) (Prin - finish up please)
[2008/07/19 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: he didnt let the volunteers do their gjobs they wanted to do
[2008/07/19 10:31] StopAll Animations Red Rose: Stopping 2 animations
[2008/07/19 10:31] StopAll Animations Red Rose: Done
[2008/07/19 10:31] ThePrincess Parisi: i have tons more that i cannot just do off the cuff and i move that we wait til we get ALL the facts to do anything else please
[2008/07/19 10:32] MT Lundquist: the motion is to allow the SC to rule on the legitimacy of the bill to remove the Chancellor last week before taking any other action in that regard
[2008/07/19 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: sedcond
[2008/07/19 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: second MTs r motion
[2008/07/19 10:32] MT Lundquist: before the RA takes any other action
[2008/07/19 10:32] Arria Perreault: we will lose time ...
[2008/07/19 10:32] Arria Perreault: is it your goal?
[2008/07/19 10:32] You: MT - I think we're there
[2008/07/19 10:32] ThePrincess Parisi: well he had six months
[2008/07/19 10:32] You: Arria
[2008/07/19 10:33] MT Lundquist: we aready did
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: please
[2008/07/19 10:33] MT Lundquist: 6 months
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: LMAO that is the funniest thing i heeard ever arria
[2008/07/19 10:33] Arria Perreault: we have to achieve some tasks
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: yeah you had six months
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: MT:
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: ffs
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: we have a motion and a second - and you have restated it just now
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: so make lies about bells arria
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: youliar
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: CHILDREN
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: knock it off
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: all of you
[2008/07/19 10:33] StopAll Animations Red Rose: Stopping 0 animations
[2008/07/19 10:33] StopAll Animations Red Rose: Done
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: No more personal attacks please
[2008/07/19 10:33] Arria Perreault: your only problem is that we did not work for your projects ...
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: when she had a death in the family you lied about her to alexicon and he said " i expected that of bells"
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: how dare you
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: Arria
[2008/07/19 10:33] You: you too
[2008/07/19 10:33] ThePrincess Parisi: you liar
[2008/07/19 10:34] You: OK :)
[2008/07/19 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: she was asking you for months to have a meeting
[2008/07/19 10:34] Arria Perreault: we were servant of the CDS
[2008/07/19 10:34] You: I need to bring a liittle focus to this
[2008/07/19 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: go to IM arria
[2008/07/19 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: this is the crux jamie
[2008/07/19 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: he appointed bells and actually arria is the one that didnt do what alexicon said
[2008/07/19 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: and then makes a lie about bells
[2008/07/19 10:34] You: no, this is a government meeting, unless all of you insist on making it a circus :)
[2008/07/19 10:34] Moon Adamant: are we still being transcripted? :)
[2008/07/19 10:34] ThePrincess Parisi: i hope so moon
[2008/07/19 10:34] You: now
[2008/07/19 10:34] You: if I still have any ear from the RA members
[2008/07/19 10:34] You: here is what I would like to do
[2008/07/19 10:34] Arria Perreault: TP, I think you are expressing many things of the whole term and not only the problem of the payment ....
[2008/07/19 10:35] Gwyneth Llewelyn *waves*
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: its about it all arria
[2008/07/19 10:35] You: ... first see if any RA member who has NOT SPOKEN has any comment ON MTs MOTION
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: it si NOT just the payment issue
[2008/07/19 10:35] You: prin
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: that is NOT what the only reason was
[2008/07/19 10:35] Arria Perreault: the removal was only on this ...
[2008/07/19 10:35] You: just a sec while I change groups :)
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: i am sorry it boiled downt o that
[2008/07/19 10:35] Arria Perreault: you are making a package now
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: it is arria
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: its everything
[2008/07/19 10:35] ThePrincess Parisi: it was never just one thing
[2008/07/19 10:35] You: ok :)
[2008/07/19 10:35] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:35] You: ......
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: i WILL EJECT THE NEXT PERSON WHO SPEAKS OUT OF TURN
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: ..
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: any questions?
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: ...
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: thank you :)
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: now
[2008/07/19 10:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/07/19 10:36] You: FR you have not spoken on MT's motion. Do you wish to?
[2008/07/19 10:37] You: I will take that as a no.
[2008/07/19 10:37] You: Sonja: you have anythign to add?
[2008/07/19 10:37] You: I will take that as a no
[2008/07/19 10:37] Flyingroc Chung: w00t
[2008/07/19 10:38] You: We have MT's seconded motion, which if it passes should close debate for today..
[2008/07/19 10:38] You: it;s in the record above, go look.
[2008/07/19 10:38] You: Members please state your vote, I vote nay.
[2008/07/19 10:38] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/07/19 10:38] Sonja Strom: Sorry, was reading back in the chat.
[2008/07/19 10:38] You: np
[2008/07/19 10:38] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/07/19 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I abstain, but I'd like permission to make a short statement why.
[2008/07/19 10:39] You: after the vote - and short
[2008/07/19 10:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: (yes Mr LRA)
[2008/07/19 10:39] You: I need votes from FR and Sonja
[2008/07/19 10:40] Sonja Strom: I'm sorry, but I can't remember the exact wording of this motion -- that is why I was reading back in the chat.
[2008/07/19 10:41] You: [11:12] MT Lundquist: the motion is to allow the SC to rule on the legitimacy of the bill to remove the Chancellor last week before taking any other action in that regard
[2008/07/19 10:41] ThePrincess Parisi raises her hand
[2008/07/19 10:41] You: in other words, no act to replace, reinstate, whatever
[2008/07/19 10:41] You: may we please wait until FR and sonja have voted
[2008/07/19 10:41] Flyingroc Chung: I vote no.
[2008/07/19 10:41] Sonja Strom: I feel that the RA should make its own decisions, and so will vote against this motion.
[2008/07/19 10:41] You: then Gwyn and Prin indicated a desire to ... say ... more
[2008/07/19 10:41] Sonja Strom: I also vote no.
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: thanks. FR?
[2008/07/19 10:42] Sonja Strom: he voted no
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: ah just saw it. OK.
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: Now
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: Motion fails 2-3-0
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[2008/07/19 10:42] You: but note, that doesn't mean we will act
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: so next motion will be Gwyn's
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: AFTER a ONE MINUTE statemetrn which each of Gwyn and Prin have requsted
[2008/07/19 10:42] You: Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Basically, MT's motion would allow Alex to continue to be Chancellor (until the next term; or the SC meeting; whatever comes first), which is also what the CSDF wishes: having Alex finish his term. However, there would remain an unsolved issue: the RA would not admit politically that the decision made last week was based on incomplete information; and it would ignore the citizen's wishes, which is something the RA *should* do, before everything. It would push the political decision to the Scientific Council, which is not a political entity, to make that decision for us. Thus, although the end result might be the same (Alex remains Chancellor), politically, I'd still prefer to "take another action" (and not merely inactivity).
[2008/07/19 10:42] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1 second ;)
[2008/07/19 10:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thank you.
[2008/07/19 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: i move that we revote MTs motion
[2008/07/19 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont think fr and sonja totally understood
[2008/07/19 10:43] You: :) have have abother motion pending first
[2008/07/19 10:43] You: actually, based on my IMs I think everyone DOES understand
[2008/07/19 10:43] ThePrincess Parisi: well i move that we vote again
[2008/07/19 10:43] You: Gwy? you are done? Then Prin, if you wish to make a short statement BEFORE we bring Gwyn's motion back up, this is the time.
[2008/07/19 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: that lets alexicon stay chancellor
[2008/07/19 10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that Prin should not tell what other people are thinking; that applies to her comments to me as well.
[2008/07/19 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: well you never answered my question gwyen
[2008/07/19 10:44] Sonja Strom feels intimidated by the presence of a monarch waving a sword in the air
[2008/07/19 10:44] ThePrincess Parisi: sorry.. i was threatened by the LRA
[2008/07/19 10:44] You: Ahem
[2008/07/19 10:44] You: unfortunately
[2008/07/19 10:44] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, I asked the LRA for some time to answer that, but I guess there are more urgent things to discuss.
[2008/07/19 10:44] You: it is the job of a meeting presiding officer to keep order
[2008/07/19 10:44] Sonja Strom: Hi Pip
[2008/07/19 10:45] Moon Adamant: hi Pip :)
[2008/07/19 10:45] You: you lot do not always make this easy, sorry
[2008/07/19 10:45] You: now
[2008/07/19 10:45] You: Prin did you want to make a statement before we vote on Gwyn's motion?
[2008/07/19 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i have my time to asking again to please have gwyen answer my quetion
[2008/07/19 10:45] You: sounds good :)
[2008/07/19 10:45] ThePrincess Parisi: i want gwyn to answer my question
[2008/07/19 10:45] You: Over to you Gwyn
[2008/07/19 10:45] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure. I'm sorry, I haven't prepared the answer lol
[2008/07/19 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: just say the truth
[2008/07/19 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: that would be nice :_)))
[2008/07/19 10:46] You: (I will next ask for comments from anyone who has NOT spoken - then paste in Gwyn's motion - then call for the votes.)
[2008/07/19 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: But it's easy to understand. I have no problem in admitting that I voted on the removal of the Chancellor based on a lack of information that wasn't publicly available at the moment we voted.
[2008/07/19 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: no gwyen
[2008/07/19 10:46] ThePrincess Parisi: thats not the question
[2008/07/19 10:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So once it was clear that the vote was based on incomplete/incorrect assumptions, I changed my mind.
[2008/07/19 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: what exactly changed then
[2008/07/19 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I tend to change my mind when learning new things, Prin ;)
[2008/07/19 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: exactly in not a book
[2008/07/19 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: what changed you are not answering me
[2008/07/19 10:47] You: *sigh* Prin you can ask people quetsions, but you cannot MAKE them answer the way you want, so I will take that as the answer Gwyn chose to give, and consider THAT 2 minute thread at THIS meeting completed.
[2008/07/19 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: you knew then that he authorized it....... and you said i would have still voted to kick him out
[2008/07/19 10:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I learned that the Executive had no intention to ignore the RA's bill, as we assumed on July 12. They just never told us so.
[2008/07/19 10:47] ThePrincess Parisi: what do you mean by that
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: explain
[2008/07/19 10:48] You: Forgive the personal observation, but why don't you two go fight in the SC, if you must continue this, hm? This is the RA, we have business to conduct
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: you knew he had authorized payment cos i got paid
[2008/07/19 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: ONE payment.
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: i want to knwo my answer to my question
[2008/07/19 10:48] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: two
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: mine
[2008/07/19 10:48] You: this is not going to be a debate :)
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: bells
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: that was more than two
[2008/07/19 10:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Bells too?
[2008/07/19 10:48] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 10:48] ThePrincess Parisi: ok ill shut up
[2008/07/19 10:48] You: ..
[2008/07/19 10:48] You: last warning :) not kidding
[2008/07/19 10:49] You: were there any comments from people who have NOT speak who wish ONE minute to speak BEFORE we vote on Gwyn's motion?
[2008/07/19 10:49] ThePrincess Parisi raises her hand in sheer fright
[2008/07/19 10:49] Sonja Strom: I would like to say that I personally feel the same way about the current situation as Gwyneth.
[2008/07/19 10:50] You: thank you Sonja
[2008/07/19 10:50] You: any others who have not spoken yet?
[2008/07/19 10:50] MT Lundquist: i do wish to speak
[2008/07/19 10:50] You: if not, Prin, we are going to vote now. It is my view that you and Gwyn each have spoken - at length - and had plenty of time to debate.
[2008/07/19 10:50] You: so I suggest we hear MT and then vote
[2008/07/19 10:50] You: unless FR has something too
[2008/07/19 10:51] You: MT?
[2008/07/19 10:51] MT Lundquist: well i'm concerned that we are about to make a bad situation worse
[2008/07/19 10:52] MT Lundquist: its bad that Alexicon, someone I personally supported did not prove to be a good chancellor
[2008/07/19 10:52] MT Lundquist: that he failed to do his job
[2008/07/19 10:52] Moon Adamant: are we still being transcripted?
[2008/07/19 10:52] MT Lundquist: worse that he wanted to take money personally out of CDS which reminded me of the Ulrika history
[2008/07/19 10:52] You: (please let MT finish)
[2008/07/19 10:52] You: (it is in fact completely OK for legislators to criticise the executive on nonpersonal matters)
[2008/07/19 10:53] You: (even if others disagree)
[2008/07/19 10:53] MT Lundquist: I personally spoke in skype to him at length to persuade him to drop that
[2008/07/19 10:53] MT Lundquist: so i find myself disappointed and let down that he then didnt do his job
[2008/07/19 10:53] You: done?
[2008/07/19 10:53] MT Lundquist: and now dissembles
[2008/07/19 10:54] MT Lundquist: and tries to change history
[2008/07/19 10:54] MT Lundquist: there are mony facts that have not been aired
[2008/07/19 10:54] MT Lundquist: we
[2008/07/19 10:54] You: (30 seconds please)
[2008/07/19 10:54] MT Lundquist: I can do that given time
[2008/07/19 10:54] MT Lundquist: i just think that CDS is best served by not dragging all this through the mud
[2008/07/19 10:54] MT Lundquist: but if needs be then I will
[2008/07/19 10:55] MT Lundquist: if you insist to pressing this then i request more time to present the case properly
[2008/07/19 10:55] You: :)
[2008/07/19 10:55] MT Lundquist: otherwise if its presented after the fact any decision now could look foolish and premature
[2008/07/19 10:55] You: MT, we will have a motion, and before the vote, I think we shoud take your request as a motion to extend time for debate
[2008/07/19 10:55] ThePrincess Parisi raises her hand tooo
[2008/07/19 10:55] You: so to do this properly
[2008/07/19 10:56] You: hang on :)
[2008/07/19 10:56] Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds the motion to extend the debate
[2008/07/19 10:56] You: MT has moved to extend debvate in Gwyn's motion for 15 minutes before we vote. If you do not pass it, I will run the vote now. SO this will be about: vote now, or vote in 15 minutes. Got it?
[2008/07/19 10:56] You: And can I have a second for MT's procedural motion?
[2008/07/19 10:56] ThePrincess Parisi: you have one sir
[2008/07/19 10:56] You: ah good gwyn thatnks :)
[2008/07/19 10:56] ThePrincess Parisi: gwyn did it
[2008/07/19 10:57] You: Here's my view :)
[2008/07/19 10:57] You: I suppose that in a legislature I should not be surprised when people want to speak at length to describe, or spin, their own positions, but it DOES NOT make running a meeting easy. I would be very grateful if all would focus now on ACTION ITEMS not oration. If you want to make speeches, POST them. Of go attend the SC meeting and maybe THEY want to hear you :) For my part I think the Forums already are ...
[2008/07/19 10:57] You: CLOGGED with self serving speeches and rudeness and I am disappointed.
[2008/07/19 10:57] You: so I will vote no :)
[2008/07/19 10:57] You: any other discussion of MT's motion to extend debate?
[2008/07/19 10:57] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/07/19 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh lol
[2008/07/19 10:58] You: oops - OK we can go to vote too: Members please state their vote: I vote nay, got MT's aye
[2008/07/19 10:58] Sonja Strom: I will support the motion to extend time for MT to explain his position. aye
[2008/07/19 10:58] You: Prin? FR? Gywn?
[2008/07/19 10:58] Flyingroc Chung: aye
[2008/07/19 10:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that MT has explained himself properly already; so I vote nay on extending the debate.
[2008/07/19 10:58] You: Pirn?
[2008/07/19 10:58] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/07/19 10:59] You: motion passes 4-2-0
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[2008/07/19 10:59] You: so we will debate Gwyn's motion :)
[2008/07/19 10:59] ThePrincess Parisi: extend the debate .. but not to say bad things about alex.. to tal k about what WE did wrong and why we are doing this
[2008/07/19 10:59] You: we have rules for this sort of thing
[2008/07/19 10:59] ThePrincess Parisi: oh ok
[2008/07/19 10:59] You: :)
[2008/07/19 10:59] You: first just to be helpful, note this:
[2008/07/19 11:00] You: [11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) Vote on a reprimand to the Executive to fail to communicate properly their intentions in such an urgent and important matter: the office of the Chancellor was at stake! [11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) Repeal the removal from office voted last week, since the assumptions that we based it on to make a vote simply are not correct.
[2008/07/19 11:00] You: That's what we are debating
[2008/07/19 11:00] You: :)
[2008/07/19 11:00] You: Now
[2008/07/19 11:00] You: I suggest 2 minute limits, and noone gets to repeat until others are done - sop if someone has a 6 minute speech they can doe it in 3 parts
[2008/07/19 11:00] You: hm?
[2008/07/19 11:01] Sonja Strom: sounds good
[2008/07/19 11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd like to speak a bit, but I'll let someone speak first this time.
[2008/07/19 11:01] You: not hearing any obj'
[2008/07/19 11:01] You: I suggest MT speak first, if Gwyn as motion makes does not wish to, then let's take hands from RA members. After i round of the RA let's see if we have nonRA members
[2008/07/19 11:01] You: MT? 120 secs
[2008/07/19 11:01] MT Lundquist: ok
[2008/07/19 11:02] MT Lundquist: well as i said before i know there are other facts that have yet to be surfaced that raise concerns about Alexicons position as chancellor
[2008/07/19 11:03] MT Lundquist: that time needs to be given for those facts to be debated if we are intent on persuing this course of action in Gwyns motion
[2008/07/19 11:03] MT Lundquist: therefore I believe we should wait , not be hasty, then act when all facts are presented
[2008/07/19 11:04] MT Lundquist: I suggest therefore that we wait until next weeks meeting to have heard all the facts before deciding
[2008/07/19 11:04] You: (time - finish up for this round pls?)
[2008/07/19 11:04] MT Lundquist: the case needs to be made carefully not in a rushed manner at this meeting
[2008/07/19 11:05] MT Lundquist: i wish to amend Gwyns bill that we wait one week before voting
[2008/07/19 11:05] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/07/19 11:06] Gwyneth Llewelyn: It won't be a friendly, but we can vote on the amendment perhaps?
[2008/07/19 11:06] Flyingroc Chung: does this RA actually have another session?
[2008/07/19 11:06] You: next week :)
[2008/07/19 11:06] You: OK - MT - let;'s see hmm - checking motion
[2008/07/19 11:06] Rose Springvale raises hand to be added to queue if appropriate
[2008/07/19 11:06] You: so, MT, you move to amend Gwyn;s motion to delay it for one week, basically?
[2008/07/19 11:07] You: because procedurally, it;s easier to just vote it down and let her er-arise it
[2008/07/19 11:07] MT Lundquist: yes to allow the facts to be presented
[2008/07/19 11:07] MT Lundquist: all the facts
[2008/07/19 11:07] MT Lundquist: and i would also request that all parties be asked to agree that chat logs be approved for use and not be against TOS
[2008/07/19 11:08] You: Not trying to be dificult here, but I think the right way procedurally is just to vote it down and say you will consider next week. If you disagree, could you please type in her motion, as you wish to amend it, in the form you want it amendmed?
[2008/07/19 11:08] MT Lundquist: chat logs will prove interesting
[2008/07/19 11:08] You: :)
[2008/07/19 11:08] ThePrincess Parisi raises hand
[2008/07/19 11:09] MT Lundquist: basically add that the votes for 1 and 2 be next weeks date
[2008/07/19 11:09] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. that's a separate thing, though, and overruling LL's ToS might need some time to ask LL if that's possible or not anyway...
[2008/07/19 11:09] You: MT, I have indicated that I have procedurally rejected your amendment, since I can't frame it as an action. And suggest you either restate it or we just go on.
[2008/07/19 11:09] MT Lundquist: not overruling LLs tos
[2008/07/19 11:10] MT Lundquist: that alex arria etc alow us to use chat logs where appropriate in support of the case
[2008/07/19 11:10] You: Um - chat logs - interestuing - but IS that part of ANYONE's motion? Maybe I missed something?
[2008/07/19 11:10] MT Lundquist: everyone is asked to agree
[2008/07/19 11:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahhh sorry
[2008/07/19 11:10] MT Lundquist: if they dont well.......
[2008/07/19 11:10] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/07/19 11:11] Rose Springvale thinks all such logs should be approved by all parties after viewing them, as they are so easy to alter
[2008/07/19 11:11] Rose Springvale: if relevant at all
[2008/07/19 11:11] You: OK ... "you are here" ... I have rejected MT's proposed amendment as not well formed and suggest he just vote no on Gwyns. We are partway through the 15 minute period. Does anyother RA member wish to speak, before I look for other speakers?
[2008/07/19 11:11] ThePrincess Parisi: agreed rose
[2008/07/19 11:11] MT Lundquist: yes we could do that
[2008/07/19 11:11] MT Lundquist: but we need time to do that
[2008/07/19 11:11] Rose Springvale does not agree they are relevant
[2008/07/19 11:11] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have a prepared statement, it won't take 120 seconds ;)
[2008/07/19 11:11] You: ahem
[2008/07/19 11:11] Rose Springvale and is out of order, sorry
[2008/07/19 11:11] ThePrincess Parisi: me too
[2008/07/19 11:11] ThePrincess Parisi: eject
[2008/07/19 11:11] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/19 11:12] You: good. Go Gwyn - and others please afterwards indicate if you have comments
[2008/07/19 11:12] MT Lundquist: oh they are relevant inmy opinion and i'm sure when seen in others to
[2008/07/19 11:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: My motion is actually simple to understand. The RA *can* make mistakes; and often *will* make them; specially if they are done on incomplete/erroneous information. Prin claimed a bit ago that after all a few people had been paid before we voted last week (I was just aware of one payment, not several). Miscommunication — or withholding critical information — makes the RA do unpopular decisions. Now, in my mind, my vote last week was just because of ONE thing: the Executive's failure to address payments. We have, after a week, found out that it was not so: the Executive had followed their internal procedures to make payments, and made them as well, to the last cent. If it did "4 minutes late" or a few days before our vote, that's irrelevant: the point is, they *did* comply with the RA's demands. However, in my mind, they also were a bit careless in not informing us about their intent, thus forcing us to make a bad decision. I thus move to add a reprimand to the Executive — please don't withhold
[2008/07/19 11:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: critical information from the RA, when we need it to decide; but, naturally enough, the decision made last week was done on wrong assumptions made at that time, and I move that we void our decision, and not wait for the SC. As for discussing the Executive's performance this term, I'm perfectly all right to discuss it on a SEPARATE session and a different motion; the bill last week was just because for the lack of payment. We should separate both issues here. Thanks, that's all.
[2008/07/19 11:12] Jamie Palisades reads
[2008/07/19 11:12] You: any other RA members in queue?
[2008/07/19 11:12] Gwyneth Llewelyn: And for the record, I reject MT's amendment to my motion as 'friendly', but we can put it to the vote if the RA wishes.
[2008/07/19 11:12] You: not hearing any
[2008/07/19 11:13] You: and gwyn, I have ruled his motion is procedurally untenable, since the proper way to dispose of it is just to vote no to yours. (I can be overruled if the RA likes)
[2008/07/19 11:13] ThePrincess Parisi: i am
[2008/07/19 11:13] You: OK no other RA member comments yet - so -
[2008/07/19 11:13] Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
[2008/07/19 11:13] ThePrincess Parisi: now i need more time, cos she has lied again about me
[2008/07/19 11:13] You: I will make a quick one, or try, then ask for non RA members - and come back to you prin, got it
[2008/07/19 11:13] Sonja Strom holds up her hand
[2008/07/19 11:14] ThePrincess Parisi: i am sorry she says i told her that ppl got paid before i didnt say that.. i said we got paid four minutes after we removed alexicon and i gave her the notecard with things she coudl verify to prove it
[2008/07/19 11:14] You: ...
[2008/07/19 11:14] ThePrincess Parisi: then she said when i told her that
[2008/07/19 11:14] You: queue is:
[2008/07/19 11:14] ThePrincess Parisi: she would have voted that anyway
[2008/07/19 11:14] You: Prin wishes to finish (120 secs), then me, then Sonja, then we'll see
[2008/07/19 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont really care what happnes here. I made my point. BUT.. think we should remove ourselves some of us....
[2008/07/19 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: we do reprsent the public, but that doesnt mean we come in here.. unprepared.. vote and when they complain.......we go ok i reverse.. we need to do our homeweork better and stay on top of whats going on .. and if we had .. then six months in this wouldnt be happening.. let this be a lesson for future RAs to have more control and more preparation over what they are doing.. and MORE let the citizens also be more involved with their factions to let their reps KNOW how they feel ahead of time.. this is NOT ALEXICONS fault.. its everyones! RA .. and the citizens..those who yell after the fact and didnt get involved.. who helped alex? who helped us decide.. who offered him assistance.. i scrambled to get volunteers.. aside from arria that is... who else did that for him ? i hate that he is made a scape goat.. LORD knows i know more than anyone what that is like. but if we can learn from this .. all of us.. then we have a better CDS.. and i believe that is why every one of us is here.
[2008/07/19 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: . cos I am really amazed that RA members voted.. then when ppl complained they say oh i didnt knwo it all ... well.. this has been going on for weeks.. and months whith him .. and no one apparently read the mintues .. who said they didnt know and also ..........
[2008/07/19 11:15] ThePrincess Parisi: but i will say also again.. why does gwyen keep distorting facts with many words.. for people
[2008/07/19 11:15] Moon Adamant: my, you write fast
[2008/07/19 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: we got PAID AFTER THE VOTE
[2008/07/19 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: NOT BEFORE
[2008/07/19 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: why does she keep saying that
[2008/07/19 11:16] You: (hush Moon)
[2008/07/19 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: and when i told her we got paid after.. she said that ....
[2008/07/19 11:16] You: (30 secs prin)
[2008/07/19 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: i would have voted that way anyhow
[2008/07/19 11:16] ThePrincess Parisi: what changed? she never answered
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: she knew alex had submitted if i got paid
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: but my big speach stands
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its OUT fault
[2008/07/19 11:17] You: (time, prin, finish up please)
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: alex is a scape goqat
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its gwyens
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its sonja
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its me
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its MT
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its jamie
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: well brian
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: its our falutlt too and the citizens
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: for not getting more invovlved
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: faster
[2008/07/19 11:17] You: please stop.
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: and arria for holding out on bells
[2008/07/19 11:17] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 11:17] You: ...
[2008/07/19 11:18] You: Queue is me, Sonja and then who ever has not yet spoken.
[2008/07/19 11:18] You: as for me: I generally agree with the second half of Gwyn's reasoning, above. I respectfully disagree with MT's suggestion that we would be rushed, if we acted today. ...
[2008/07/19 11:18] You: some did not seem to feel we were rushed last week, and assured me that there had been plenty of time to investigate .. it's all on the record. I believe we ERRED and SHOULD be quick to correct errors. Anything else I have to say on that is posted; http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1970
[2008/07/19 11:18] You: that's it.
[2008/07/19 11:18] You: Sonja?
[2008/07/19 11:18] Sonja Strom: Jamie, what did you mean in saying "I have ruled his motion is procedurally untenatbel?" Should it be stated in another way that would be better?
[2008/07/19 11:19] You: :) Sonja let me try to answer
[2008/07/19 11:19] You: MT wanted to amend gwyn's motion to say this
[2008/07/19 11:19] ThePrincess Parisi: i need two weeks to read gwuens post alone
[2008/07/19 11:19] You: '..."Do gwyn's motion next week not now"
[2008/07/19 11:19] You: (hush all please)
[2008/07/19 11:19] You: and sonja, that does not "work" as a meeting procedure
[2008/07/19 11:19] You: the right way to delay a motion is to table it, or vote against it, not amend it
[2008/07/19 11:19] Sonja Strom: ah, ok, so you did not mean Gwyn's motion itself?
[2008/07/19 11:20] MT Lundquist: so i would argue jamie that voting no is not a proper way to handle my motion
[2008/07/19 11:20] You: correct sonja
[2008/07/19 11:20] Sonja Strom: ok
[2008/07/19 11:20] Sonja Strom: thanks, done.
[2008/07/19 11:20] You: well may I make a constructive suggestion?
[2008/07/19 11:20] MT Lundquist: becuase i am asking for one weeks delay
[2008/07/19 11:20] You: can we take MT's motion as a motion to close debate on this today, and bring it up next week?
[2008/07/19 11:20] You: that'd do it
[2008/07/19 11:20] You: hm?
[2008/07/19 11:20] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/07/19 11:20] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mmmh. Not as 'friendly', but we can vote on it.
[2008/07/19 11:21] You: k _ let's let Sonja finish first as she was in queue, then vote on THAT
[2008/07/19 11:21] Rose Springvale: grrr
[2008/07/19 11:21] Moon Adamant raises her hand
[2008/07/19 11:21] You: (hush rose)
[2008/07/19 11:21] Rose Springvale raised her hand hours ago!
[2008/07/19 11:21] You: Sonja first please
[2008/07/19 11:21] Sonja Strom: sure, we can vote on MT's motion to move this decision to next week.
[2008/07/19 11:21] Sonja Strom: I vote no.
[2008/07/19 11:21] You: (and Rose, a motion to close debate seems to me to be privileged - but if you were in queue already and I missed it, I apologize )
[2008/07/19 11:22] You: any objection to giving Rose 60 seconde first?
[2008/07/19 11:22] ThePrincess Parisi: no
[2008/07/19 11:22] Rose Springvale: never mind
[2008/07/19 11:22] Rose Springvale: i don't need it
[2008/07/19 11:22] You: kk
[2008/07/19 11:22] Gwyneth Llewelyn: None, I'd like to hear Rose too :D
[2008/07/19 11:22] You: then let's vote - to be specific - this is a vote to close debate and stop this item for a week
[2008/07/19 11:23] You: Members please state their vote. I vote nay. I note sonja votes nay.
[2008/07/19 11:23] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I vote nay.
[2008/07/19 11:23] Flyingroc Chung: I vote no
[2008/07/19 11:23] You: FR? Prin? MT?
[2008/07/19 11:23] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/07/19 11:23] ThePrincess Parisi: abstain
[2008/07/19 11:23] You: OK.
[2008/07/19 11:23] You: motion failes 1-4-1
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[2008/07/19 11:23] You: debate continues
[2008/07/19 11:24] ThePrincess Parisi: its two and a half hours now
[2008/07/19 11:24] You: I have only Rose in queue - others? WE are lmost out of the extended time
[2008/07/19 11:24] Rose Springvale withdraws.
[2008/07/19 11:24] You: OK :) Vote sounds good to me
[2008/07/19 11:24] You: any other urgent desires to speak from anyone?
[2008/07/19 11:24] Gwyneth Llewelyn remains silent for a change...
[2008/07/19 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/07/19 11:25] Sonja Strom: Hi Gonta
[2008/07/19 11:25] You: right then - again -
[2008/07/19 11:25] You: [11:01] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) Vote on a reprimand to the Executive to fail to communicate properly their intentions in such an urgent and important matter: the office of the Chancellor was at stake! [11:02] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) Repeal the removal from office voted last week, since the assumptions that we based it on to make a vote simply are not correct.
[2008/07/19 11:25] You: Members please state their vote. I vote aye.
[2008/07/19 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye.
[2008/07/19 11:25] Sonja Strom: aye
[2008/07/19 11:25] MT Lundquist: is there two votes
[2008/07/19 11:25] MT Lundquist: or one
[2008/07/19 11:25] Gwyneth Llewelyn: One motion with two points, MT.
[2008/07/19 11:25] MT Lundquist: i want it clear
[2008/07/19 11:26] You: no - all as one, was the motion, i think
[2008/07/19 11:26] You: need votes from FR, Prin, MT
[2008/07/19 11:26] Flyingroc Chung: that facts have arisen since last week's vote and claims that more are yet to be aired shows that we have been too hasty last week.
[2008/07/19 11:26] Flyingroc Chung: I vote aye
[2008/07/19 11:26] You: need two more votes please
[2008/07/19 11:27] Flyingroc Chung: we can take up removal again next week if we need to.
[2008/07/19 11:27] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed we can...
[2008/07/19 11:27] You: (correct, FR)
[2008/07/19 11:27] You: but we are still voting.
[2008/07/19 11:27] ThePrincess Parisi: abstain
[2008/07/19 11:27] MT Lundquist: abstain
[2008/07/19 11:27] You: OK. Motion passes 4-0-2.
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[2008/07/19 11:27] Moon Adamant raises her hand
[2008/07/19 11:27] You: Just a sec please :)
[2008/07/19 11:27] You: a few procedural notes.
[2008/07/19 11:28] You: 1. I will notify SC and post it to forums
[2008/07/19 11:28] You: 2. Whether that moots their curent appeal is up to them, not us.
[2008/07/19 11:28] You: 3. I note Aleixcon is here. I confirm that you are chancellor and remain so, Alexi.
[2008/07/19 11:28] Moon Adamant applauds
[2008/07/19 11:28] You: 4. We're way over time so may have to push other items to next week.
[2008/07/19 11:28] You: and finally
[2008/07/19 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: assuming
[2008/07/19 11:28] Alexicon Kurka: thanks all
[2008/07/19 11:28] ThePrincess Parisi: now what if?
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: no no
[2008/07/19 11:29] You: 5. No gloating, please.
[2008/07/19 11:29] MT Lundquist: assuming the sc doesnt appeal this vote
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: no i have a guestion
[2008/07/19 11:29] You: exactly so MT, correct
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: lol
[2008/07/19 11:29] You: I have Moon, then Prin, OK?
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: its not true til the SC doesnt flag it
[2008/07/19 11:29] Gwyneth Llewelyn: that's their prerrogative, yes.
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: so actually hes not chancellor now
[2008/07/19 11:29] You: can Moon speak first? she asked first
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: cos ...well .. wait
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: hmm
[2008/07/19 11:29] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 11:29] You: I will respond to Prin after she speaks in turn :)
[2008/07/19 11:29] You: moon?
[2008/07/19 11:30] Moon Adamant: i actually was going to ask only, that after the vote, which was very clear, that the good names of the Executive branch would be cleared by a formal re-instament. Thank you.
[2008/07/19 11:30] You: OK. Prin?
[2008/07/19 11:30] You: (then me ) (and then anybody else should speak up, we're almost done.)
[2008/07/19 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont know i am thinking that if what we did last week doesnt stand til the SC is done
[2008/07/19 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: then how can this stand til the SC is done
[2008/07/19 11:30] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/07/19 11:30] ThePrincess Parisi: so is he? or isnt he?
[2008/07/19 11:30] MT Lundquist: cleared now thats a whole new point Moon
[2008/07/19 11:30] MT Lundquist: they were just censured
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: Prin when you are done I will try an answer
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: :)
[2008/07/19 11:31] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: and Gwyn will tell me why I am wrong :)
[2008/07/19 11:31] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 11:31] Sonja Strom raises her hand.
[2008/07/19 11:31] ThePrincess Parisi: gywns also wrong a lot
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: sonja, after Prin and me
[2008/07/19 11:31] Sonja Strom: ok
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: prin done?
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: kk then
[2008/07/19 11:31] You: here's my take - good to spell it out, so thank you for asking Prin
[2008/07/19 11:32] You: 1. the act which was appeal was last week's removal
[2008/07/19 11:32] You: 2. the replacement by Pip necessarily went with that, but is sort of irrelevant now
[2008/07/19 11:32] You: 3. The SC appeal did SOMETHING (on which Gwyn and I might not agree) to put it on hold or make it reversible
[2008/07/19 11:32] You: 4. But we have now REPEALED the removal by a vote here
[2008/07/19 11:33] You: 5. So it's my guess the SC will decide it's moot - but that's their decision not ours - and people can go give them their own views
[2008/07/19 11:33] You: 6. This act TODAY
[2008/07/19 11:33] You: - a censure and a reinstatement -
[2008/07/19 11:33] You: can be appealed too
[2008/07/19 11:34] You: in which case
[2008/07/19 11:34] You: 1. its effectiveness can be thrown in to question - same deal as last week pretty much
[2008/07/19 11:34] You: but also
[2008/07/19 11:34] You: 2. That wouldn't remove Alexi
[2008/07/19 11:34] You: because as of the SC acceptance of the last appeal he's still in, until the SC acts
[2008/07/19 11:34] You: OK ...
[2008/07/19 11:35] MT Lundquist: i disagree slightly alex
[2008/07/19 11:35] You: anyone have comments, or questions, or that, for now?
[2008/07/19 11:35] MT Lundquist: jamie sorry
[2008/07/19 11:35] You: np go for it
[2008/07/19 11:35] You: I welcome correctioms to the above
[2008/07/19 11:35] You: but I want us all to leave here with a common understanding (grin) if possible
[2008/07/19 11:35] MT Lundquist: if the SC uphold last weeks bill then casts down this weeks then we would have no chancellor
[2008/07/19 11:35] You: ah YES
[2008/07/19 11:35] ThePrincess Parisi: what if its flagged
[2008/07/19 11:35] You: I agree MT
[2008/07/19 11:36] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I actually don't, but I'll let MT finish his argument first.
[2008/07/19 11:36] MT Lundquist: thats it
[2008/07/19 11:36] You: MT, if they act dispositively, that could happen - basically they would need to reject appeal 1 and accept theoretical appeal 2
[2008/07/19 11:36] MT Lundquist: yes
[2008/07/19 11:36] MT Lundquist: in theory
[2008/07/19 11:36] You: Gwyn is welcome to disagree though :)
[2008/07/19 11:37] You: (and Prin, flagging alone doesn't perturb Alexi's holding office at this stage)
[2008/07/19 11:37] You: Gywn? anyone else?
[2008/07/19 11:37] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well. Even the all-powerful SC cannot put in force a bill that was repealed by the RA ;)
[2008/07/19 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: ok
[2008/07/19 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: does he plan to implement the bill we passed early in the term
[2008/07/19 11:37] You: Gwyn heh heh to me that sounds like a question the SC would have to debate
[2008/07/19 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: about the inagural
[2008/07/19 11:37] You: .. forever ...
[2008/07/19 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: and the volunteers ?
[2008/07/19 11:37] ThePrincess Parisi: and the hall of fame.. or defy me personally on that too
[2008/07/19 11:38] You: hang on please :)
[2008/07/19 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: so if i touched it, he's gonna just not do it
[2008/07/19 11:38] You: I have a constructive suggestion about that
[2008/07/19 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: as a personal vendetta on roses behalf
[2008/07/19 11:38] Rose Springvale blinks
[2008/07/19 11:38] You: oopsie - personal comments
[2008/07/19 11:38] You: please stop
[2008/07/19 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: he has a lot to do in the week, things he could have done in six months
[2008/07/19 11:38] You: "or else" :)
[2008/07/19 11:38] ThePrincess Parisi: this is about his perfomance
[2008/07/19 11:38] You: not the part where you mentioned vendettas :)
[2008/07/19 11:38] Flyingroc Chung: gwyn, every act of the RA is legislation that the SC can repeal.
[2008/07/19 11:38] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, but I still claim that the SC cannot approve bills that don't exist any more :) By doing so, they'd be doing legislative action, which they are not allowed to. However, they can certainly suspend things like the reprimand...
[2008/07/19 11:39] Flyingroc Chung: including, our actions today
[2008/07/19 11:39] You: Gywn you can take that argument to the SC and have fun at leisure with it -- smile, shrug -- I have no idea at the moment
[2008/07/19 11:39] ThePrincess Parisi: well he is the one who posted lies about me personally on the forum
[2008/07/19 11:39] Moon Adamant: are we transcripting?
[2008/07/19 11:39] ThePrincess Parisi: so .. how is that addressed .. i sure hope so moon
[2008/07/19 11:39] You: always, Moon :) until adjoruned
[2008/07/19 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I most certainly will enjoy that.
[2008/07/19 11:39] You: Siiigh I know you will
[2008/07/19 11:39] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
[2008/07/19 11:39] You: :( CDS signal to noise ratio
[2008/07/19 11:39] You: ladies and gentlemen
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: thanks for your patience. I believe we are done with this agenda item
[2008/07/19 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, in the past, the RA used this quite often — ie. repealing its own laws before the SC veto'ed them — so there is a strong precedent.
[2008/07/19 11:40] Moon Adamant: brb
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[2008/07/19 11:40] MT Lundquist: i move that the chancellor be requested to complete ALL required actions by next week and that the RA will review that performance next week
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: I believe that as we are 80 minutes over our usual time, we should adjourn soon ..
[2008/07/19 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: second
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Re: RA Meeting 19 July 2008 Transcript (part 3)

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[2008/07/19 11:39] You: ladies and gentlemen
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: thanks for your patience. I believe we are done with this agenda item
[2008/07/19 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually, in the past, the RA used this quite often — ie. repealing its own laws before the SC veto'ed them — so there is a strong precedent.
[2008/07/19 11:40] Moon Adamant: brb
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[2008/07/19 11:40] MT Lundquist: i move that the chancellor be requested to complete ALL required actions by next week and that the RA will review that performance next week
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: I believe that as we are 80 minutes over our usual time, we should adjourn soon ..
[2008/07/19 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: second
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: but MT raised a valid request
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: MT, can we have a list, or a reference to one?
[2008/07/19 11:40] Flyingroc Chung: There may be an argument to make that once the RA votes to remove a person, it cannot take the vote back.
[2008/07/19 11:40] You: and I will ask alexi to comment once you have one
[2008/07/19 11:40] ThePrincess Parisi: i agree FR
[2008/07/19 11:40] Gwyneth Llewelyn: He certainly does. Mmmh. We should first list what those required actions are.
[2008/07/19 11:41] You: FR :) That's for the SC now I think
[2008/07/19 11:41] MT Lundquist listens to FR
[2008/07/19 11:41] Flyingroc Chung: but the SC should decide that.
[2008/07/19 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: well another bill was passed unanimously early in the term that affects the next two weeks
[2008/07/19 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: and i doublt if our chancellor ieven has a copy
[2008/07/19 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: he has not made one move toward implementing that either
[2008/07/19 11:41] You: And I encourage you to appeal it there if there's somewhere to go with it, because for the life of me I do not see how it becomes an RA action item
[2008/07/19 11:41] You: ...
[2008/07/19 11:41] You: ahem :)
[2008/07/19 11:41] ThePrincess Parisi: and a budget was approved for that too
[2008/07/19 11:41] MT Lundquist: i suggest that the chancellor be asked to review ALL the ra transcripts for actions pertaining to him
[2008/07/19 11:42] You: ... FR says that one can go to SC. Fine.
[2008/07/19 11:42] You: Let's do MT's motion
[2008/07/19 11:42] MT Lundquist: thats where the list will come from to start
[2008/07/19 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: well .. who is doing the bill we passed alexicon
[2008/07/19 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: do you even have it?
[2008/07/19 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: or do we have to call you in to make you do it
[2008/07/19 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: and give you an ultimatium
[2008/07/19 11:42] ThePrincess Parisi: then we get paid back in six months
[2008/07/19 11:43] You: so to restate it, MT - just want to get these spelled out - you move that we instruct the chancellor to finish all actions that he has been validly directed by us to complete, as evidenced by RA transcripts, by next week, and that you plan to ask for his removal if he does not?
[2008/07/19 11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, from a procedural point of view, I'm not comfortable in voting for a motion that has no clear list of actions to vote on... so "all that was requested" is too vague for my conscience. On the other hand, certainly it's the RA's duty to validate and discuss what the Executive did or didn't.
[2008/07/19 11:43] You: Gywn you can speak against it after we have it captured, please
[2008/07/19 11:43] Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry.
[2008/07/19 11:43] You: MT, how did I do?
[2008/07/19 11:43] Arria Perreault: May I, Jamie?
[2008/07/19 11:43] ThePrincess Parisi: he has bills that affect the inagural that if he hasnt started working on a month ago , he wont get done
[2008/07/19 11:44] You: first MT clarifies motion, then speakers - and I have Gwyn, Arria and Prin
[2008/07/19 11:44] Flyingroc Chung: folks, I need to leave in about 4 minutes.
[2008/07/19 11:44] You: (noted FR, no hard feelings, we're way over)
[2008/07/19 11:44] MT Lundquist: that he reports back to the ra personally next week on all actions being complete
[2008/07/19 11:44] Arria Perreault: I suggest the next RA to introduce a controlling system for the executif. Currently no such tool is available.
[2008/07/19 11:44] MT Lundquist: if they are not the RA decides its course of action
[2008/07/19 11:44] ThePrincess Parisi: good do a bill arria
[2008/07/19 11:44] You: Arria :) out of order, sorry, wait please all
[2008/07/19 11:44] MT Lundquist: which could of course include removal if thats appropriate
[2008/07/19 11:45] You: OK - I think that's a sufficient statement of the motion
[2008/07/19 11:45] You: and I assume prin's second applies to the slightly corrected version
[2008/07/19 11:45] You: so
[2008/07/19 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: yes thats fine.
[2008/07/19 11:45] You: PLEASE keep it to TWO LINES OF TEXT EACH
[2008/07/19 11:45] You: Gwyn?
[2008/07/19 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: yes that
[2008/07/19 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: is fine
[2008/07/19 11:45] ThePrincess Parisi: two
[2008/07/19 11:45] You: (then Arria, Prin, me)
[2008/07/19 11:46] Jamie Palisades waits - but not long as FR has to GO
[2008/07/19 11:46] You: OK Gwyn's still writing, let's go to Arria while we wait?
[2008/07/19 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: So if I understand correctly, the Chancellor will be requested to do a status report: list all things that he could find on the RA transcripts that were requested of him, and, one by one, tell the RA if they were completed or not, and why not. Is that the idea of this motion?
[2008/07/19 11:46] You: oops :)
[2008/07/19 11:46] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
[2008/07/19 11:46] MT Lundquist: that they are completed
[2008/07/19 11:46] You: MT? Is Gwyn's summary essentially correct?
[2008/07/19 11:46] MT Lundquist: that the job is done
[2008/07/19 11:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Isn't this the case: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 964#p11589
[2008/07/19 11:47] You: kk sounds like a yes
[2008/07/19 11:47] ThePrincess Parisi: or just let the citizens vote and let them worry about the fricken chancellor, it should be that way anyhow
[2008/07/19 11:47] Moon Adamant: was this ever requested from another chancellor before?
[2008/07/19 11:47] You: um gywn - I wil not read any forum pages today before adjounrment, sorry, outa time :)
[2008/07/19 11:47] You: Moon you are out of order
[2008/07/19 11:47] You: Arria do you wish to spesk BRIEFLY?
[2008/07/19 11:47] Moon Adamant: apologies
[2008/07/19 11:47] MT Lundquist: did another chancellor not do their job?
[2008/07/19 11:47] You: (hush please)
[2008/07/19 11:47] ThePrincess Parisi: u yes
[2008/07/19 11:47] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, sorry. To be brief: that's a list of all things the Chancellor did this term.
[2008/07/19 11:47] You: sigh
[2008/07/19 11:48] ThePrincess Parisi: so
[2008/07/19 11:48] You: I assume no comments from Arria.
[2008/07/19 11:48] Flyingroc Chung: sorry folks
[2008/07/19 11:48] Flyingroc Chung: time flies like an arrow
[2008/07/19 11:48] ThePrincess Parisi: bye FR monkey hugs
[2008/07/19 11:48] Rose Springvale: thanks frc!
[2008/07/19 11:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye, FR :)
[2008/07/19 11:48] Flyingroc Chung: and so do chimps
[2008/07/19 11:48] You: See ya FR - any take on this you want to share? Thanks for staying for overtime
[2008/07/19 11:48] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 11:48] Alexicon Kurka: bye frc
[2008/07/19 11:48] You: OK then :)
[2008/07/19 11:49] You: Here's my take in two lines. I think the spirit of this motion is good, but it's coming too fast for me to evaluate carefully, so I will abstain.
[2008/07/19 11:49] You: Any other RA member comments?
[2008/07/19 11:49] You: can we vote?
[2008/07/19 11:49] MT Lundquist: aye
[2008/07/19 11:49] You: Members please state their vote on MT's motion. I abstain.
[2008/07/19 11:50] You: I need votes from Gwyn, Prin, Sonja
[2008/07/19 11:50] ThePrincess Parisi: aye
[2008/07/19 11:50] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well. I have some qualms myself: on one hand, getting a status report from the Chancellor on his job is a good idea. http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 964#p11589 is perhaps just what we want. On the other hand, I don't want more witch hunting. So I abstain.
[2008/07/19 11:50] ThePrincess Parisi: pansies
[2008/07/19 11:50] Sonja Strom: abstain
[2008/07/19 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: pass
[2008/07/19 11:51] You: well
[2008/07/19 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: it passes then
[2008/07/19 11:51] You: that's a failure. 2-0-3
[2008/07/19 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: why
[2008/07/19 11:51] MT Lundquist: 2 for 3 abstain
[2008/07/19 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: we have to have a majority
[2008/07/19 11:51] MT Lundquist: thats 2 to 0
[2008/07/19 11:51] You: acts need a simple maority, defined as >50% of those voting
[2008/07/19 11:51] ThePrincess Parisi: does anyone have seven day votes
[2008/07/19 11:51] MT Lundquist: sounds like a pass to me
[2008/07/19 11:52] You: Supreme Empress of All Branches Gwyn? Feel free to comment :) I rule it fails
[2008/07/19 11:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh lol
[2008/07/19 11:52] You: and my ruling can be appealed :)
[2008/07/19 11:52] You: but I think a 2-0-3 vote in a room with 5 RA members is a fail, technically
[2008/07/19 11:52] MT Lundquist: #ok so we have Jamie, sonja and gwyn not interested in the chancellors performance
[2008/07/19 11:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2 out of 5 votes is not a majority in my book...
[2008/07/19 11:52] MT Lundquist: following a major debate on his performance
[2008/07/19 11:52] You: I didn't see that one coming
[2008/07/19 11:52] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, we have it here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 964#p11589
[2008/07/19 11:52] MT Lundquist: that is bizare
[2008/07/19 11:52] You: MT, no, we have (a) reprimaded him and (b) indicated a willignness to discuss it next week but that this was premature
[2008/07/19 11:53] MT Lundquist: and speaks perhaps to the motivations behind this whole debate
[2008/07/19 11:53] You: and I suggest we adjourn for the day, at, what, hour 3
[2008/07/19 11:53] ThePrincess Parisi: for ppl to like them
[2008/07/19 11:53] Rose Springvale: polls are closed in 4 minutes
[2008/07/19 11:53] You: and I also note that the CDS polls are about to close :)
[2008/07/19 11:53] You: thx rose
[2008/07/19 11:53] Rose Springvale: :)
[2008/07/19 11:53] ThePrincess Parisi: whooot
[2008/07/19 11:53] Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second the adjournment
[2008/07/19 11:53] MT Lundquist: its still intersting that three of us didnt find it necesary to expect a report on performance
[2008/07/19 11:53] Rose Springvale: i have an announcement
[2008/07/19 11:54] You: Thank you all for significant attempts to handle these difficult issues with some degree of politeness
[2008/07/19 11:54] You: we are adjourned. Informal announcements? go for it
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[2008/07/19 11:55] Sonja Strom: What I would like to say is in response to a request made earlier by Moon.
[2008/07/19 11:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: MT, I feel that http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php? ... 964#p11589 was a reasonable attempt at describing the Exec's performance this term, and at this point, I'm not sure we need more. That's why I abstained.
[2008/07/19 11:55] ThePrincess Parisi: when are the results going to be given on the election
[2008/07/19 11:55] Rose Springvale: Metanomics has advised that they will be highlighint CN as an event partner tomorrow
[2008/07/19 11:55] ThePrincess Parisi: I'M GONNA BE A MONKEY!!!
[2008/07/19 11:55] Gwyneth Llewelyn: oooh wow Rose!!!
[2008/07/19 11:55] MT Lundquist: we need to know that the job is complete next week
[2008/07/19 11:55] Sonja Strom: really Rose? That's GREAT!
[2008/07/19 11:55] Rose Springvale: they want to include congratulations to our new RA
[2008/07/19 11:55] Justice Soothsayer: Great news!
[2008/07/19 11:55] MT Lundquist: and we should have asked for that gwyn
[2008/07/19 11:55] ThePrincess Parisi: neat!
[2008/07/19 11:55] Brian Livingston: Cool
[2008/07/19 11:55] Rose Springvale: so will be forwarding that info to them, and also
[2008/07/19 11:55] MT Lundquist: the RA just failed in its duty in my oppion
[2008/07/19 11:55] Rose Springvale: they will plug the new sim for us
[2008/07/19 11:55] MT Lundquist: opinion
[2008/07/19 11:55] Rose Springvale: in case anyone is interested in new positive things :)
[2008/07/19 11:56] Sonja Strom: Earlier Moon said:
[2008/07/19 11:56] Sonja Strom: [11:32] Moon Adamant: i actually was going to ask only, that after the vote, which was very clear, that the good names of the Executive branch would be cleared by a formal re-instament.
[2008/07/19 11:56] Alexicon Kurka: great news Rose
[2008/07/19 11:56] Sonja Strom: I feel that since our original decision has been reconsidered and withdrawn before it came into effect, a formal reinstatement would be a redundant and inaccurate action.
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[2008/07/19 11:56] Moon Adamant: yes Sonja
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[2008/07/19 11:56] Moon Adamant: but since the LRA will make a public post and inform the SC
[2008/07/19 11:56] Moon Adamant: i think that's quite enough
[2008/07/19 11:56] Sonja Strom: ok, thanks
[2008/07/19 11:57] Moon Adamant: what i don't think it would be appropriate would be to reinstate Alex and his team silently
[2008/07/19 11:57] Sonja Strom: sure
[2008/07/19 11:57] Alexicon Kurka: when will the results of the election be known?
[2008/07/19 11:58] Brian Livingston: The SC needs to validate the results before the announcement, correct?
[2008/07/19 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: Alas, that's for the SC to say, Alex :)
[2008/07/19 11:58] ThePrincess Parisi: yes
[2008/07/19 11:58] You: Sorry, all - I had to go vote :)
[2008/07/19 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: JAMIE!
[2008/07/19 11:58] Arria Perreault: yes
[2008/07/19 11:58] Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
[2008/07/19 11:58] Brian Livingston: Slacker
[2008/07/19 11:58] Rose Springvale: lol
[2008/07/19 11:59] Rose Springvale: well done jamie!
[2008/07/19 11:59] Moon Adamant: ok, thank you all for a good session
[2008/07/19 11:59] You: Gwynie. I hold factions responsible for their RA members. I wanted to see how this meeting went first. :)
[2008/07/19 11:59] Brian Livingston: I finally pulled the trigger and voted last night
[2008/07/19 11:59] ThePrincess Parisi: k jamie i want you to look at my butt
[2008/07/19 11:59] Rose Springvale: you gave it every moment possible for input
[2008/07/19 11:59] Moon Adamant: and have fun everyone
[2008/07/19 11:59] Alexicon Kurka: yes me too, thanks everybody that kept an open eye and ear
[2008/07/19 11:59] ThePrincess Parisi: can we do it here
[2008/07/19 11:59] Moon Adamant waves
[2008/07/19 12:00] ThePrincess Parisi: i dont wnna offeceify anyone
[2008/07/19 12:00] Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-)
[2008/07/19 12:00] You: that's a hell of a helmet Prin - you guys sell that?
[2008/07/19 12:00] ThePrincess Parisi: yes its a man's
[2008/07/19 12:00] MT Lundquist: yes have one jamie
[2008/07/19 12:00] ThePrincess Parisi: i have a thing on my butt i want you to see jamie
[2008/07/19 12:00] ThePrincess Parisi: tell me when you are cammed and ill drop my pants fast
[2008/07/19 12:01] You: oh dear

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