Meeting on 2008-08-03
Justice Soothsayer is in the chair.
Claude Desmoulins: Now we enter a new chapter, the 9th RA and a fourth sim.
Claude Desmoulins: Since there's a full agenda.
Claude Desmoulins: Let's proceed directly with the affirmation.
Claude Desmoulins: We'll start with the new LRA.
Rose Springvale: sorry
Rose Springvale: oops
Claude Desmoulins: Justice, when you're ready.
Justice Soothsayer: I, Justice Soothsayer, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: Arria,
Arria Perreault: I, Arria Perreault, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: Bells,
Bells Semyorka: I, Bells Semyorka, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: FRC...
Flyingroc Chung: I, Flyingroc Chung, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: Gwyn...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I, Gwyneth Llewelyn, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, so help me God.
Claude Desmoulins: Rubaiyat...
Rubaiyat Shatner: I, Rubaiyat Shatner, having been elected as a Member of the Representative Assembly of the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully discharge my duties as such to the best of my ability, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Confederation of Democratic Simulators, and that I will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Confederation of Democratic Simulators.
Claude Desmoulins: And Pip isn't with us.
Claude Desmoulins: Congratulations to the new RA.
Justice Soothsayer: Yay!
Arria Perreault:
Claude Desmoulins: I now yield the floor to the LRA.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hooray to the CDS
Moon Adamant: congratulations all!
Bells Semyorka smiles and claps
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Claude!
Rose Springvale: applause!
Jon Seattle: yay!
Sudane Erato: )))
Patroklus Murakami claps
Rubaiyat Shatner has indicated consent to be recorded.
Ulysse Alexandre applauds
Justice Soothsayer: It has become traditional for the LRA to offer some remarks at the outset of the term in what started as a sort of ?State of the City? address, now expanded to the ?State of the CDS?.
Moon Adamant has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: But first, I have to extend great thanks to Jamie for his diligent work as the LRA. He has some big virtual shoes to fill.
Moon Adamant cheers
Justice Soothsayer: He has set a great example of patience and leadership.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Jamie!!!
Arria Perreault: / me agrees
Justice Soothsayer: Now, on to the State of the CDS.
Arria Perreault agrees
Justice Soothsayer: The state of the CDS is healthy!
Justice Soothsayer: We have just seen the peaceful transfer of authority to a new Representative Assembly ? for the EIGHTH time!
Justice Soothsayer: Factions established platforms, debates occurred in settings as formal as an amphitheater and as informal as a brewpub.
Justice Soothsayer: Candidates were selected, votes were cast and counted, and a new group of citizens was selected to help guide our collective efforts.
Justice Soothsayer: We have a balanced budget with ample reserves.
Justice Soothsayer: We continue to grow, with our fourth sim about to be ready for occupancy, as we saw on the parade!
Justice Soothsayer: The work is guided by a master plan, developed after broad community input.
Justice Soothsayer: But as our experiment in democracy continues, we continue to have our challenges.
Justice Soothsayer: We depend too much on a few dedicated individuals, and we don?t offer thanks nearly often enough.
Jamie Palisades smiles
Justice Soothsayer: Our beautiful streets and alleyways are too often empty.
Justice Soothsayer: Our beautiful streets and alleyways are too often empty.
Justice Soothsayer: Our debates often generate far more heat than light.
Justice Soothsayer: And although we continue to grow, we are not anywhere near keeping pace with the kind of growth we see in SL at large.
Justice Soothsayer: We must work together this term, avoiding rancor while respecting the rights of those who may disagree. We must keep our house in order. We must redouble our efforts to be a shining example of what is possible with online democracy.
Justice Soothsayer: And at the end of this term, the CDS we will leave to our successors will be have a vibrant civic discourse, a solid treasury, and be stronger and healthier.
Justice Soothsayer: Now, let us get to work.
Flyingroc Chung claps
Patroklus Murakami: hear, hear
Moon Adamant applauds
Jon Seattle: yay Justice!
Arria Perreault applauds
Bells Semyorka nods and claps, Well said Justice
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, all.
Claude Desmoulins claps
Justice Soothsayer: The agenda is at http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2006
Claude Desmoulins: Pardon me, but RL calls.
Jamie Palisades smiles and applauds
Rose Springvale claps
Sudane Erato: ty Claude!
Flyingroc Chung: cya claude
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks so much, Claude!
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Claude. Nice parade!
Jamie Palisades: And well done Claude, thank
Arria Perreault: thank you Clauda. You had a great idea with this procession
Justice Soothsayer: OK, first item on the agenda is consent to recording. Please touch the recording device on the table to indicate consent.
Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.
Brian Livingston has indicated consent to be recorded.
Patroklus Murakami has indicated consent to be recorded.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: indeed, what a lovely idea Although when we have 120 sims...
Arria Perreault has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: Are there any changes to the draf agenda?
Gwyneth Llewelyn has indicated consent to be recorded.
Sudane Erato: hehe
Bells Semyorka has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: *draft
Flyingroc Chung has indicated consent to be recorded.
Arria Perreault: is my proposal of budget for the ball in the agenda?
Jon Seattle has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: ah, good point, Arria. We'll do that under III.
Justice Soothsayer: d. Other.
Arria Perreault: thank you
Justice Soothsayer: anything else?
Rubaiyat Shatner: may I get a copy as well?
Justice Soothsayer: Is there anyone not in the RA who want to speak on any of the agenda items?
Moon Adamant: i would like to speak for the Guild, Mr. Lra
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon, we can include that under "Sim 4 update".
Rose Springvale has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: OK, moving on.
Moon Adamant nods
Jamie Palisades: I might speak to the commission I chair.
Arria Perreault: I would like to say some words about the use of portal
Justice Soothsayer: OK, noted, Jamie & Arria.
Justice Soothsayer: The first item of business is the Rules.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mmmh
Justice Soothsayer: I am perfectly willing to operate under the rules used by the last RA, but thought this should be the first item for us to consider.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I second that 'willingness'...
Justice Soothsayer: Does anyone have either an objection to operating under the lasdt RA rules, or have an amendment to offer?
Claude Desmoulins has indicated consent to be recorded.
Justice Soothsayer: Silence is golden!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think so
Sudane Erato:
Justice Soothsayer: Very well, the last RA rules will continue!
Justice Soothsayer: Any "consent agenda" items that we need to deal with?
Sudane Erato: what's a consent agenda?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Item without discussion, Sudane.
Sudane Erato: ahh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Where the RA basically approves something directly...
Justice Soothsayer: "items that require no debate"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (or not)
Justice Soothsayer: But at this point in the term, I haven't heard of any.
Justice Soothsayer: So, moving on...
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, could you give us an update as to the Commission on Corporate Structure?
Arria Perreault: sorry
Justice Soothsayer: wb Arria.
Jamie Palisades: Certainly,M r. LRA
Jamie Palisades: We met once as a commission, with results here: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1998
Jamie Palisades: I'm grateful for the good turn-out of participants. More meetings are expecte d ...
Jamie Palisades: Our original plan was to report to the new RA, though I think the consensus of those participating was that, if the RA finds this acceptable, we will report back in September or October.
Jamie Palisades: To summarize, we are examining what underlying needs or risks incorporation was raised to address ..
Justice Soothsayer: We should have one of the current RA members designated to ba part of the commission, I think.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Jamie Palisades: ... and *how* they might be handled, by corporate structure or otherwise. Al;l are welcome .. next meeting in about 2 weeks. Any questions?
Justice Soothsayer: Anyone want to volunteer?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jamie, are you planning to meet at 11 AM on Sundays?
Jamie Palisades: That would be great
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If so, I'd be more than glad to volunteer... as a Devil's Advocate lol
Jamie Palisades: um - "great" = RA member joining ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn *snickers*
Jamie Palisades: and of course we'd love to haveo ou, G
Justice Soothsayer: I'll try to come as well, but thanks for volunteering, Gwyn.
Jamie Palisades: Though we will need to consul the stakeholdrs about scheduling ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: probably not really "love" to have me, but, well, "get pestered"
Jamie Palisades: ... don;t want to collidew ith Guild, either
Justice Soothsayer: Any other questions for Jamie on this topic?
Jamie Palisades: love. No Q about it.
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Moon Adamant: Jamie, most probably the Guild will occupy this slot on saturdays instead... it's on discussion atm
Justice Soothsayer: Ah, Moon, thanks for reminding me.
Moon Adamant: yes?
Justice Soothsayer: I've polled the RA members, and Sundays @ 9 am SLT is the only time we all have in common.
Justice Soothsayer: I should have mentioned that earlier.
Justice Soothsayer: Under I. e. of the agenda.
Moon Adamant: ok, we will possibly try to pass it saturdays to the old slot
Moon Adamant: as said, in discussion atm
Justice Soothsayer: So I guess that frees up Saturdays for now.
Justice Soothsayer: Nice seque to the Guild report, though, Moon. You have the floor for an update on LA, etc.
Moon Adamant: thank you
Moon Adamant: as you have seen, LA is purchased and already adjoined to our territory
Moon Adamant: terraform is done and and roads are being done
Moon Adamant: during this week, a suggestion appeared that will change positively the overall appearance of the sim, without extra costs
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay for LA
Moon Adamant: i am going to rez a prim with the suggestion, which has been approved by Ulysee
Moon Adamant: who designed the plan
Moon Adamant: and would have been presented today at Guild
Moon Adamant: so... it's a premi?re
Moon Adamant:
Moon Adamant: bear with me a second
Moon Adamant: it's on teh wall behing Arria, Hwyn and Bells
Moon Adamant: behind*
Moon Adamant: and it's teh inclusion of a maritime theatre inspired on the Villa Adriana
Patroklus Murakami: wow!
Moon Adamant: the centre islet will keep the mundus, or foundation of the sim
Moon Adamant: btw, this is a suggestion by Symo Kurka
Ulysse Alexandre applauds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sounds *fantastic*
Jon Seattle: cool idea!
Justice Soothsayer: very nice.
Rose Springvale: i'm not sure what a maritime theater is
Arria Perreault: to show plays with boats
Sudane Erato: a theater underwater
Moon Adamant: it's just a scenic element
Brian Livingston: I imagine it involves a trained orca :p
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha
Sudane Erato: hehe
Jamie Palisades:
Rose Springvale: smiles
Bells Semyorka chuckles
Moon Adamant: you'll have a rounded island with an altar and columns,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: nooo... you see, Rose, on the Colosseum in Rome, you had naval battles!...
Rose Springvale: uh huh
Arria Perreault: in big amphitheaters, they have made spectacles with boats
Moon Adamant: and an exterior circumference lined with columns as well, that will unify both halves of the sim
Moon Adamant: Nothing else to report
Brian Livingston: Fascinating centerpiece for the sim
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon.
Patroklus Murakami: fabulous idea. it gives the new sim a 'heart'
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes that looks terrific
Justice Soothsayer: Any questions/comments for Moon?
Moon Adamant: thank you
Rose Springvale: is this decided or will it come to guild for more discussion?
Jon Seattle: Yes, it definitly provides a focus -- great work!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes... timings
Moon Adamant: well, i would have presented it today
Moon Adamant: this way, it will pass to saturday
Moon Adamant: but this will be built with no delay to the sim
Justice Soothsayer: And the sim will be ready for occupancy 1 September?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok... so the deadline for the sim to be delivered fully built is still the same?
Moon Adamant: as we are hmmm transforming the two piazettas or scenic views that were already planned
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Justice,..,.
Moon Adamant: yes, Sept the 1st
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Great
Justice Soothsayer: great minds think alike, Gwyn
Rose Springvale: my question concerns use of the space.. is it for public use for theatrical things or is it just a focal point?
Moon Adamant: it will be mainly a focal point
Moon Adamant: but i can tell you that the structure at the center
Moon Adamant: the altar
Arria Perreault: we could use it as information center of the sim
Moon Adamant: occupies the same space as the chair you're sitting in
Rose Springvale: okay
Justice Soothsayer: or to sacrifice RA members?
Rose Springvale: thanks
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Brian Livingston hides
Sudane Erato:
Moon Adamant: so the space can be used for other functions
Arria Perreault: any boats?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: we have one in CN... hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: made by Tony!
Justice Soothsayer: 1 min more on this topic, please.
Moon Adamant: that's for the residents to get
Arria Perreault: ok
Rose Springvale: as we add sims to the east, we'll have more navigable space
Gwyneth Llewelyn likes the idea very much (just watching the new sim plan)
Justice Soothsayer is moving to the next topic, Chancellor selection.
Moon Adamant: thank you
Rose Springvale: thanks Moon
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aha
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Moon.
Justice Soothsayer: One of the first things the new RA must do is select a Chancellor.
Justice Soothsayer: One candidate has applied during the application period: Jamie Palisades.
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Moon Adamant cheers
Justice Soothsayer: Apparently his presidential video thing still leaves a little time for other activities.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ROFL
Arria Perreault: )
Sudane Erato: lol )
Bells Semyorka: lol
Justice Soothsayer: Are there any other nominations?
Jamie Palisades: Siiiigh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Justice Soothsayer: Any questions for Jamie from the RA members?
Gwyneth Llewelyn looks for more vict.... volunteers
Sudane Erato:
Sudane Erato: out of the frying pan... into the fire
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure, I have at least one ? Jamie, do you intend to present/announce a team that will work with you in the Executive?
Rose Springvale looks for salt...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or will it be a surprise?
Gwyneth Llewelyn smiles at Rose
Jamie Palisades: Gwyn, I have had multiple volunteers -- except hehfor the ...
Jamie Palisades: toughest jobs of all wich Sudane kindly holds ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, I have a question: how much time do you think the Chancellor job will take?
Jamie Palisades: ... and it is myhope w e will work our a role for everyone who wisses toserve
Arria Perreault: may we know the names or should wait the ball?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I would like to second Arria's question...
Jamie Palisades: .. so I may be back here looking to expand some jobs, too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, that's good, I think, so long as we have a budget for them all
Gwyneth Llewelyn turns irony mode off.
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, please respond to Arria's question ahead ofmine.
Jamie Palisades: well, I did not plan to put people o the spot,but rther, hope t with everyone's consent bring a slate that all will agree upon shortly ... and ...
Jamie Palisades: if you will give it a moment's thought ...
Jamie Palisades: Given that I learned 4 minutes ago that I am the only candidate, I wasn't really in the position to work out issues betwen competing applicants for the same post until now
Jamie Palisades: also
Justice Soothsayer: heh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: fair's fair, and you're right
Jamie Palisades: It's in the spirit of CDS that we POST jobs before filling them
Jamie Palisades: no?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Sudane Erato:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Touche!
Moon Adamant:
Jamie Palisades: Hey can you imagine - there nmight be someone who wishes to serve that i do NOT know about ....
Gwyneth Llewelyn is still giggling iRL
Sudane Erato: hehe
Justice Soothsayer: HI Justice. I would like to return to the RA Archivist job. I held it a year or so ago, and still have the login access to the wiki to update things. As we have talked about, my priorities would be to update the online constitution and to implement the recently passed code reorganiso, my question, on how much time is required?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's from Publius?
Justice Soothsayer: Oops, too many windows
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie, my question on how much time is required?
Rose Springvale is confused.
Brian Livingston is as well
Arria Perreault: well I must say that I have started to migrate the laws on the new portal
Justice Soothsayer: Sorry about that, Rose. I was pasting in an email from Publius into a notecard.
Rose Springvale: did i miss the election of the chancellor? lol lots of windows here too
Justice Soothsayer: While at the same time trying to ask Jamie how much time is required for the Chancellor job.
Jamie Palisades: ... OK - two threads
Jamie Palisades: 1. Justice, may I just say, with Arria to correct me, that it was our hope as the outgoing government that your new work would proceed on the official portal, not the old informal wiki. I have offered my help to Arria et al to decode what we did last term. And I will with her help if selected find appropriatre persons to continue that work.
Arria Perreault: Great idea
Jamie Palisades: 2. Man, would I like to have a good time estimate from any of our predecessor Chancellors but none are at hand and I am inclined to estimate what i think it shoud take - rather than derive it from history.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 20 hours a day?
Jamie Palisades: LRA probably got 6-8 formal hours a week from me, for what it is worth,
Sudane Erato: !
Jamie Palisades: There's the obvious 3 hours per meeting ...
Jamie Palisades: we met weekly ...
Jamie Palisades: and I DID hang out a lot in CD but NOT always in an official capacity
Jamie Palisades: *cds
Justice Soothsayer: Fair enough.
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Justice Soothsayer: We are nearly out of time on this topic. Is there a motion to confirm Jamie Palisades as Chancellor?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd like to propose a motion to confirm Jamie Palisades as Chancellor.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (now we have one!)
Arria Perreault: I second
Justice Soothsayer: Are you ready to vote?
Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready!
Flyingroc Chung: yeah
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes
Bells Semyorka: yeppers
Justice Soothsayer votes Aye.
Arria Perreault is ready
Jamie Palisades: So when I think about the agenda-creating, guild meeting attending, chatting with people about legislation? Er .. smoothing feathers? (grin) probably another 3-5 hours on the average. And I will just say to be responsive - I think this will take more.
Arria Perreault: /votes aye (with great pleasure )
Jamie Palisades: done lag
Gwyneth Llewelyn enthusiastically votes aye on the motion to confirm Jamie Palisades as Chancellor
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: I vote yes as well.
Flyingroc Chung: aye
Justice Soothsayer: Jamie is the new Chancellor!
Rose Springvale applauds
Rubaiyat Shatner: w00t
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, congratulations, Jamie!...
Patroklus Murakami: congratulations
Justice Soothsayer: Sudane, could you please arrange for the white smoke to emit from the building?
Bells Semyorka claps, Congrats Jamie
Moon Adamant: Congratulations!! )))
Arria Perreault applauds
Sudane Erato: hehe
Rose Springvale: Congratulations RA!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn *giggles* @ Justice
Jamie Palisades: Thank you all.
Sudane Erato: good luck Jamie!!
Jon Seattle: yay Jamie!
Sudane Erato: you'll need it!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Good luck indeed... hehe
Justice Soothsayer: Next topic: RA Archivist.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes!
Moon Adamant: lol sudane
Jamie Palisades: Su
Justice Soothsayer: I have had one applicant, and I'll paste the email in a moment:
Justice Soothsayer: HI Justice. I would like to return to the RA Archivist job. I held it a year or so ago, and still have the login access to the wiki to update things. As we have talked about, my priorities would be to update the online constitution and to implement the recently passed code reorganization bill. I would also like to add a listing of our statutes by topic.
I can't make most weekend RA meetings since I have small children and am usually in charge of them during the weekends, but if you email me the chat logs I will be sure to post them on the forums as soon as possible.
It will be good to once again perform a valuable service.
Sincerely,
Publius Crabgrass
Justice Soothsayer: Are there any other nominations for RA Archivist?
Justice Soothsayer: And Arria, I agree tht we should instruct the archivist to use the portal, not the wiki.
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Arria & Justice too
Sudane Erato: i'd like to note that the compilation book on the table is by Publius
Arria Perreault: yes, I am ready to introduce him
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, a short word of praise to Publius... last year, he was awesome in figuring out all the amendments that applied to the COnstitution or not, and he made several annotations on 'old' laws
Justice Soothsayer: That's a motion, right, Gwyn?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I mean, if it weren't for his work last year, we'd be way more in the dark than we are!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I'd like to propose a motion to nominate Publius as RA Archivist, since he is willing to have his job again!
Arria Perreault: I second the motion
Rubaiyat Shatner: what happened to him? why did he leave the position?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I believe he had RL work to deal with...
Justice Soothsayer: I believe he left that job to take a position with our short-lived judiciary as well.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, temporarily... he did, yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Then the whole wiki collapsed anyway...
Justice Soothsayer: just for the record, he's a friend of mine in RL
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah I had no idea, Justice
Justice Soothsayer: and i'll endorse his candidacy too.
Jamie Palisades: Even better - "we know where you live"
Rubaiyat Shatner: If he feels like he has the time, it seems as thought his work is most excelent
Brian Livingston: hehe
Bells Semyorka: lol
Justice Soothsayer: Ready for a vote?
Rubaiyat Shatner: ready
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure!
Arria Perreault: I think that thee are ways to help CDS, also not being in-world
Justice Soothsayer: Please state your votes for the record?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Arria, I agree... and God knows how vital (and hard!) this job is!
Gwyneth Llewelyn votes aye to have Publius as RA Archivist again.-
Arria Perreault: I vote aye
Justice Soothsayer votes aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: I vote yes.
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Flyingroc Chung: aye
Justice Soothsayer: We have an Archivist.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay
Justice Soothsayer: Next topic: Borda counts.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: another job/role I really don't envy, but Publius deserves a medal too
Justice Soothsayer: FRC, could you please introduce the topic. I'll be back in 1 minute.
Patroklus Murakami: congrats to publius, and a weight of justice's shoulders too an archivist is a great help
Flyingroc Chung: yes, so borda rankings have been a fundamental part of our election system
Flyingroc Chung: since time immemorial
Flyingroc Chung: or at least, since we had our first ever elections
Flyingroc Chung: So basically we have traditionally given the worst-ranked factions a borda count of 0
Flyingroc Chung: But given that we've had some confusion in the last elections, I'm proposing to make it explicit in th constitution
Flyingroc Chung: let me find the link to the exat amendment..
Flyingroc Chung: http://forums.slcds.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2018
Justice Soothsayer: yes, FRC, and if you could paste it into the chat it would be helpful for the record.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd appreciate that too.
Flyingroc Chung: change the fist paragraph of Article 1 section 2 to
Representative seats are chosen by means of the Sainte-Lagu? method using scores generated by Borda-count ranked votes cast by citizens. The last place rank in the Borda-count shall have a score of 0; and each successively higher rank shall shall have a score of 1 more than the next lower rank. The citizens will also rank the list of candidates from their first-pick faction to serve on the RA.
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks.
Justice Soothsayer: Is there a second?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *raises hand*
Justice Soothsayer: As a second, Gwyn, or to recognized? Or both?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, to be recognised ?
Justice Soothsayer: Ah, well, we need a second first.
Bells Semyorka: I second
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Bells
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Bells. Gwynnie, you have the floor.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Mr LRA
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, hmm, trying to be short here...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: As a democracy, it's *crucial* and *critical* that everything related to the elections
Gwyneth Llewelyn: is crystal-clear, without any doubts in the minds of the citizens.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: To that regard, the CSDF feels that there is quite a lot that has to be done ? it's not just the 0-based Borda count that requires a change in the Constitution.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, we also feel that we should, as a measure of goodwill, to make *at least* this change on the COnstitution,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: since it was so often raised publicly as being 'in doubt' (when it actually never was!)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So teh CSDF will support this amendment,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but also propose a motion to form a new Electoral COmmittee for further reforms & clarifications
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Meaning: it's not only this point, folks! We have more to do!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But, ok, let's do this first step.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thanks, that's all.
Justice Soothsayer: Thanks, Gwyn. Anyeone else?
Rubaiyat Shatner: I hope that with the update and the new archivist it will be easier to see that Gwyn
Justice Soothsayer notes there is still an extant Electoral Commission
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Rubaiyat ? but there is more work to do
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Justice, however hmm its status is unclear, since it's former head (Beathan) is very likely too busy iRl right now, and has not made a full report
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So the suggestion would be either to a) get a new head for the current Electoral Committe or b) make the current one extanct and vote on a new one.
Justice Soothsayer: as with the corporate structure group, it wil probably need a new RA member to head it. But first things, first. Any other discussion on FRC's proposed amendment?
Justice Soothsayer: Hearing none (and seeing no typing movements) please vote.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Seems to be a peaceful one... after all, the SC sort of hinted that it's their interpretation anyway
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sure, I vote aye on FRC's amendment.
Justice Soothsayer votes Aye on FRC's proposed amendment.
Flyingroc Chung: I vote aye
Rubaiyat Shatner: I vote yes.
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Arria Perreault: I vote aye
Justice Soothsayer: The motion carries. Our new Archivist has some more constitution altering to do.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Justice Soothsayer: Anyone care to propose a new RA head to the electoral commission?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Do we have volunteers? I'd certainly like to nominate Flyingroc...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (sorry, FRC, but you're *good* at those electoral thingies!9
Flyingroc Chung: sadly rl commitments will not allow me to head such a commission
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww FRC
Gwyneth Llewelyn is so disappointed
Flyingroc Chung: I'm afraid I'd be peresent in 10% of my own commissions meetings
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww
Arria Perreault: oh! too bad. you seem to be the more comfortable with this matter
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, exactly, Arria
Justice Soothsayer: I'm going to nominate Gwyn.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: omg
Rose Springvale: lol
Justice Soothsayer: revenge from FRC.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So I see mmmh
Moon Adamant: ahahaha
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Gwyneth Llewelyn is not good at playing this game!
Moon Adamant: ehehehe
Arria Perreault: you're probably the second person who is comfortable with this question
Gwyneth Llewelyn: all right, I'll accept ? since yes, I *do* believe this issue is really crucial
Justice Soothsayer: Hearing no other nominees/volunteers/victims...
Justice Soothsayer: let's move on to other topics. Arria, you wanted to mention the portal?
Arria Perreault: yes
Justice Soothsayer: 2 minutes.
Arria Perreault: I think that the RA will have to deal with this question and I will come with proposals
Jamie Palisades: afk
Arria Perreault: now I would like to know how the RA would like to use the portal
Arria Perreault: we usually publish everything in the forum
Arria Perreault: which is not really usable when we have to find again an information
Arria Perreault: I have set a page for the RA, with subpages
Arria Perreault: with members, calender
Justice Soothsayer: I would like the portal to be the official repository of all documents. I'd also like to se an RSS fee incorporated from the forums.
Justice Soothsayer: *feed
Patroklus Murakami: point of information - we used to publish material on the wiki, which is much better for storing transcripts, code of laws, constitution
Arria Perreault: and my intention would be to create a page for every meeting, with agenda and transcript
Arria Perreault: I would like to know if the members agree with that idea
Arria Perreault: I am volunteer to work as a "secretary" of the LRA to maintain these pages
Arria Perreault: for this term
Arria Perreault: I am talking only of the pages of the RA (not the laws)
Justice Soothsayer: Arria, that's sort of what we have the Archivist for.
Arria Perreault: can the Archivist also publish the agenda and the transcript?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, although I imagine Publius will welcome Arria's help to figure out the interface to do the postings
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, Arria, he'll do that too.
Arria Perreault: ok. I can introduce slowly
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And create a new entry for each of the approved laws/amendments.
Arria Perreault: yes
Rubaiyat Shatner: would it be possible to have a place for proposed legislation too? and can I see what it looks like sometime?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pat, I think that the Wiki had a big advantage: it was quite accessible in a sense, but it lacked a crucial tool: automatic tagging and cross-referencing.
Arria Perreault: of course
Justice Soothsayer is curious why Pat thinks the wiki is a better place for documents.
Rubaiyat Shatner: updating and correcting most likely
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What that means is that we couldn't approve a law and click on a button and see 'related' laws easily, to see which ones would be superceded
Patroklus Murakami: not *the* wiki but *a* wiki is better for documents than the forums
Arria Perreault: I really think that a wiki is not a good tool for laws
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anything is better than forums! lol
Patroklus Murakami: tagging and cross-referencing woudl be very handy
Arria Perreault: the portal has a structure
Patroklus Murakami agrees the new portal is the best place for all this information to be stored
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with Arria ? a wiki lacks a lot of functionality and organisation, which has to be created from scratch; the current portal will have that all built-in, so it will be way easier to navigate, update, and cross-reference.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 'current' as in: the portal in development hehe
Arria Perreault: If you agree to use the portal as the main support for infirmation, we will have to inform quickly the citizen
Rubaiyat Shatner: so I am in favor of the transition, but want to point out that a wiki can be very quick to respond to new requirements, I don't want to see lock in here, but am willing to put aside my concerns at this moment
Rubaiyat Shatner: I am also willing to help where I can
Justice Soothsayer: Excellent, Ruba!
Arria Perreault: thank you
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe I think the major problem with the current wiki was a technological one
Justice Soothsayer: Anything else on portal?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We should establish timelines...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ie. what is more important first
Sudane Erato: aren't these administrative functions?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: namely, I remember that Arria & Alex are still working on their own server
Gwyneth Llewelyn winks at Sudane and blames herself for that too
Arria Perreault: I will make a proposal to solve this situation
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks, Arria!...
Jamie Palisades grins
Justice Soothsayer: Arria, you also wanted to mention the ball, I believe.
Jamie Palisades: I will look forward to hearing that transition plan too, Arria
Gwyneth Llewelyn is ready for the ball! lol
Arria Perreault: yes, Jamie
Jamie Palisades: (so is Justice -- all duded up)
Arria Perreault: about the ball. I think that it is an event of the new term
Arria Perreault: we need to vote a budget to organize it, if you agree
Arria Perreault: all the work has been done
Arria Perreault: Many thanks to Rose and Sudane
Justice Soothsayer: And we need to thank Rose,Sudane & Arria for that!
Rose Springvale smiles...
Gwyneth Llewelyn thanks the whole organisation
Jamie Palisades: Is there anything out of the ordinary? or an expense that should be mentioned here?
Arria Perreault: we need a budget of 3500 L$ for the DJ
Moon Adamant: thanks!
Rose Springvale: your job is to finish this meeting in time to go
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Rose!
Justice Soothsayer chuckes @ Rose
Arria Perreault:
Sudane Erato: i think its perfectly reasonable for this expense to be rolled into the upcoming budget... to be approved
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What else is needed budget-wise, Arria?
Jamie Palisades: Madame Treasurer .. we cna afford it, no?
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "barely", Jamie
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Arria Perreault: if the Chancellor and the Treasurer can solve this question, I would appreciate
Justice Soothsayer: Very well. Let's leave it for the treasurer to sort into the right category.
Sudane Erato: yes... np
Justice Soothsayer: Any other business?
Gwyneth Llewelyn second Arria's proposed budget.
Jamie Palisades: Unnecessary as i;s beenapproved Gwyn, but as you like to say
Jamie Palisades: .. the RA can do what it wants
Justice Soothsayer: I'll note we are a little over time here.
Jamie Palisades: ...
Jamie Palisades: ... not to make light of it .. Sudane and I had some preliminary chats last term, including with the RA, to begin bringing some rigour to budgeting. The RA should expect that work, and the amount of information and planning, to continue to increase
Justice Soothsayer wants to keep Rose happy.
Rose Springvale smiles and notes she has yet to change...
Justice Soothsayer: It seems that the Treasurer and Chancellor are prepared to handle this as part of the regular budget expenses.
Justice Soothsayer: So let us move on to the final item on the agenda. Our rules call for a period of open discussion.
Justice Soothsayer: Anyone -- RA members or not -- have anything they would like to contribute?
Rose Springvale: i'd like to commend the landscapers of LA
Rose Springvale:
Justice Soothsayer: hear, hear.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yay
Jamie Palisades claps
Sudane Erato blushes
Patroklus Murakami: indeed, thanks to everyone who's helped to make it a reality (virtuality?)
Jon Seattle: yay! it does look good.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: now we're the "inverted L" sim cluster
Gwyneth Llewelyn wants a Greek sim next... then an Egyptian one...
Jon Seattle laughs --
Gwyneth Llewelyn suggests a motion to adjourn...
Rose Springvale: oh gwyn, have we got a deal for you....
Jon Seattle: the iota cluster? almost ..
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-oh.... Rose?
Rose Springvale: smiles
Rose Springvale: later
Justice Soothsayer: I'll second the motion to adjourn.
Justice Soothsayer: All in favor?
Justice Soothsayer votes aye.
Rubaiyat Shatner: yes adjourn
Flyingroc Chung: yes
Bells Semyorka: Aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye
Justice Soothsayer: We are adjourned. Arria, where do we assemble for the ball?
Brian Livingston needs to figure otu what he's goign to wear.. hmm
Arria Perreault: aye
Ulysse Alexandre applauds
Jamie Palisades: see you in 15, all
Rose Springvale:
Flyingroc Chung: sorry, wont be able to go
Brian Livingston: Hehe
Flyingroc Chung: rl calls
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww FR
Rose Springvale: FRC
Flyingroc Chung: bye!
Justice Soothsayer: Thank you everyone for an excellent start of term!
Rose Springvale: thanks Justice!
Bells Semyorka: Bye FRC
The meeting closed at 10:49 Linden time.