Finance Working Group Meeting 29 July 06

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Finance Working Group Meeting 29 July 06

Post by Patroklus Murakami »

Diderot, Jon, Sudane (and others interested in joining the Finance WG)

I've just been reading the transcript of the last Sim Planning Committee on 16 July. It looks like the next one is tomorrow Sun 30 July at 9am in the Rathaus.

There are several tasks we need to meet and discuss (draft agenda below). It would be great if we could do this before the next SPC. I could make today, Sat 29 July at noon SL time but, if that's too short notice, could we meet on Sunday after the SPC, say at 1pm? Please post your response here.

Draft Agenda

[list:3jrp4wvl]1. Assessment of current funds.
2. Assessment of possible investors
3. Building of economic plan, namely: investment policies (bonds, escrow, etc) budget
4. Assessment of possible models for RL ownership of sim
5. Evaluating costs of i) contiguous sims ii) non-contiguous sims (with the space to be filled with void sims in the future and iii) moving the CDS sims to a 'freer' space on the map[/list:u:3jrp4wvl]

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I'll be there at non SLT today... np. And I could also make tommorrow at 1 PM.... althou, if the SPC meeting is over by then, that would be a record! :)

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Post by Jon Seattle »

Noon today and or time tomorrow would work for me. And trying to keep in to an hour would be a great idea.

Thanks!

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Meeting Transcript 1/2

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Actions:

[list:1wkrixz7]Pat to draft bill for RA - RA to authorise raising funds for CN via loans
Sudane to prepare first rough draft of budget for CN for consideration at Sim Planning Committee tomorrow
Pat to approach Moon re: joint meeting of Building and Finance WGs to discuss 1) building costs for CN and 2) placement of CN relative to Nstadt
Pat to prepare some costings for scenarios involving expansion, movement of sims, use of void sims for SPC tomorrow
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[color=Black:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Object-Name: notetaker 2.0.1[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Sienna:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Region: Neufreistadt (246528, 249600)[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkOliveGreen:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Local-Position: (198, 184, 178)[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkGreen:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Meeting on 2006-07-29[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateBlue:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Those present[/b:1wkrixz7]: [/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: k, it's working. pls touch etc etc :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes... did[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: its a good agenda...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I should mention[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: it is![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: that I am working on a sketch idea concept[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: of a 16 sim future image[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: oh wow, i'd love to see that![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: it would include the issues of #5[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: wow! very neat[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: still mostly in my head... and in scribbles :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: 16 sims eh? reckon we can get there by, oh june of next year? :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: haha[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: no... more a future....[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle laughs[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: larger than we would ever get to :)_[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but the issue is..[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Oh, I would not go that far. We might.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: it would inclusde the reg sims and the void sims[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: true[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we might :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: are u both happy if i chair? and can we try to keep to one hour? jon and i already did three hours at the csdf meeting :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: sure!![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Yes, absolutly![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hehe... 3hrs![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: It was kind of long, but productive[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: good![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, i chair like genghis khan so u may regret it... first item. assessment of current funds. gues that's u sudane![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hehe... ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I estimate we have about US$500 in the bank that could be used for this...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: perhaps a bit lkess[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: less[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the rest would have to be financed[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: k. so we need to raise another 1500? or did the price go down?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: So about 1500 or so.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the only way the price will go down is to find a used sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: which I think we should look for[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we might save a few hundred[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: I think Gwyn mentioned a possible sim..[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: oh phione[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: takes us on to 2) assessment of possible investors. agreed on the second hand sim but let's plan for having to buy one brand new[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes, I agree[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: now... before possible investors[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: back[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: what system will we use to finance?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: loans are very simple[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: bonds are still being establsihed[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: bonds/loans are the obvious first choice[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, they are different[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle listens[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: i am very comfortable with loans[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I am sure we can find folks[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: several people have expressed an interest in financing this way. cd u explain the difference?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: who will accept a small return[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: for lending the $$[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle nods[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: it is not very much[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: and how would bonds work?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well... thats the good question[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: Ulrika spent a good deal of time explaining it[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: Pel could do so too[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: since he and Lee are setting them up[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but it is more complex to me[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: my head is only good for simple math :))[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: oh mine too![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hehe[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: and i'm all for keeping it simple[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: So in the case of a loan the investor would provide funds and be paied back after a set period[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: with a small amount of interest.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: do we see a problem with raising the initial money this way? my guess is we could lay our hands on the money pretty quickly[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Who would the loan be too?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I agree[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the loan would be to the owner of the CN sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: sorry to?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: since she has to buy it[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: I think it makes sense.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the real issue that you do not have here[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: or to the CDS govnt via the technical owner[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: is... who will be the new owner[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: bell, one moment[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: thats what I mean... the tech owner[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I am certyainly open to being that owner again[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but that must be decided[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: back.. no one there. odd.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I think...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: k, so what do we need to get teh ball rolling? someone needs to authorise someone to take in funds for the new sim. who would that be? (ican we do tech owner under 4?)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: if we suggest loans of $50, $100, and $200[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: so that people can feel therir way to a certain level[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and offer 6% interest[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: which is reasonable in RL[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i'm happy with all of that[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: The interest would be payed back as people bought plots?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ahh... we'd have to work out the repayment plan[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes, I think it makes sense[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: that should be calculated based on expected buy in[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes, we still need to raise all the money to pay them back thru rentals. events and sales in support of the project[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: or perhaps... actual buying in[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: one year to pay back?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: thats reasonable[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: for NStadt[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we paid back in about 4 months[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hi! :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we shd aim to do it sooner i feel[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: Hi :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: hi ranma :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: welcome! :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Hi Ranma[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: Hi Pat[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: Hi Jon[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: Hello Sudane :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: finance working group meeting for Colonia NOva. woudl u like an agenda?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: ty[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we're on 2/3[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we determined we have about 500 in the bank[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and that we need about 1500 more[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: so right now[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we're discussed financing[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: (and pls toucht the recorder, ranma :))[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: any ideals?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, loans seem to be the consensus[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: because the y are simple[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and... I feel... we'll easily get people to lend[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: with a small rate of interest[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: not most people...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but many[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: one question remains tho. how do we get teh ball rolling? does the RA need to pass a bill? i'm not clear on procedure[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: That sounds reasonable..[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: so, we need a bill for the first RA of the new session asking for authority to begin collecting loans? is that right?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ball rolling on borrowing money?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: does that work for u too sudane?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: a bill to the RA?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: sure... in this confusing time... it makes sense[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: what is the budget items[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: It does I think.. but some specific proposals will have to be cobbled together I think.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: k, well i can draft something quickly and submit it to claude/ post it on the forum[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: now. who does the money go to :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Sure.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: understand 1250 for the sim American[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes, unless we find one used[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we also need to budget for work to be done in building the sim as well[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: think the going rate is 900[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: it will all have to be paid for[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ahh... that I know less about[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: the question is how much will be done by the city and how much by residents[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we need some cross over discussion with the building group on this one don't we?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Ranma, it terms of paying back?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes and costs[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes... makes sense[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: my friend just bought a sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: I had been assumung that CN will be self-supporting.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hehe... it better be![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: that's my understanding too[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: eventually[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Yes, eventually.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: why don't we put a rough budget to the SPC tomorrow for discussion? then we can refine it later[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Sounds good.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: good[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: what is the 750 going to be used on?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i feel we need a ballpark figure for how much we need to raise[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, Ranma... mostly for the tier needed until the land income breaks even[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: prefab buildings, texture creations, public builidngs, sim layout, infrastructure etc[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: the kind of things we need to pay for[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and some 3 to 4 months of partial tier[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: until the sim achieves break even[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: sorry sudane, did u say 3-4 months of partial tier? sounds like a lot[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: any idea on how many people will buy in at first?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, it took NStadt about 4 months[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and hopefully, this will be quicker[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but... you must be conservative![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes the mainland has gone wild[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hehe[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, the esperantists alone could fill the sim :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well... perhaps for awhile[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: but agreed, we need to factor in the time it takes to fill up[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: its the building costs[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: that I have no sense of[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the rest I could beudget easily[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: have we asked for bids?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: well a guesstimate is good enough, the builders can refine it[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: thats the building comm thing[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: do we have a volunteer to produce a draft budget for tomorrow :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and, no, they haven't yet[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: The tier is about US$ 190 / month?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: we need that before we can budget[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I'll do the budget, if you'd like[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but I need a number for the building[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes... tier is 195[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: ty sudane :) we can make it clear that the building work needs quantifying[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: wonder if we get a diccount on the second sim?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: discount[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hehe... in your dreams![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: thought as much[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: can we move on to 4?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ahh...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: explain?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: LL imposes a very specific model[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i guess this means "are we going to use the same system as we did for Nstadt, and who is to be the victim?"[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Individual or corporation with credit card model?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: oh... I see[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: even a corp credit card[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: is really an individual[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes, there are several options here. perhaps we should try to identify them all first[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I have several for my RL company[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and they are all on me, really[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Oh, of course. Some day it may make sense to have NF and co incorporate, but probubly not in time for this.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: that will require some discussions with LL :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: incorporation is good for liability[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we must deal with LL policy[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: not as much of an issue as rl land[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and that is... one RL individual owns a sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes and I assumed it would be the same as neu[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: How do a number of eduational orgs own them? For example NMC?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well... i am very clear,... I am hapy to continue this responsibility....[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: good qn jon, i'm afraid i don't know the answer[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: it will be MUCH simpler... technically[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: that's helpful sudane. do u think we need to consider sharing the risk more widely tho?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but.. there are many impacts having a lot to do with more than CN[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the whole issue of federation vs other models is involved here[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but there could be benefits to having separate RL ppl for each sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: thats true[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but it comes down to governance[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: its not just whose credit card its on[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkOrange:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:1wkrixz7]: is this private?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Hi Rubai[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: could u explain further, i'm not following u[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: hi Rubaiyat![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: so true[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: no[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: hi rubiyat[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: welcome :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: A CN planning group - finance[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkOrange:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:1wkrixz7]: oh cool, I shall listen in then[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: here\s an agenda rubai. we're on 4[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: if I'm the traesurer of CN as well as here...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkOrange:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Rubaiyat Shatner[/b:1wkrixz7]: thank you Pat[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: pls touch the recorder for the transcript[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: that leads to an evolution towards a stronger federal government, i believe[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkOrange:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Rubaiyat Shatner has indicated consent to be recorded.[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: if someone else is treasurer[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: that leads more to a confederation of independent states[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: it just seems to me that these are issues here[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i'm not sure i agree that that necessarily follows[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I'm open[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I just don't want this to be overlooked[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i think the political organisation can be separated from teh legalistic means by which we deal with LL[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: I am not sure that technical ownership really gives one that much power in this case.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: never say that Jon[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: if I am correct the one person who "owns" the sim controls it in all aspects acording to LL[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: there is huge "power" in being able to reclaim land[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Ah, yes.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i'm conscious of time. perhaps we should table this for further discussion at our next meeting?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: Pat, yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: its a very big issue[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Also does the person who has that role also serve and the liason with LL?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: thus 5 "owners" could lead to a complete spilt up[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: Jon, that could be more an open question...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: while recognising that the default option would be a continuation of the current arrangements to a second sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: LL understand Rudeen to be the OWNER of NStadt[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: indeed.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: thats fine[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Sure[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: (i told u i chair like genghis khan!)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: haha[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: onto item 5[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: good![/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: evaluating costs of differnet sim options[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, I feel strongly that we should go non-contiguous right now[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: seems like someone needs to go work it out on a sheet of paper[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and when an overall plan is determined... with several sims[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and void sims[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: How much do voids cost? What are the prim limits?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: then we move them all together[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: voids are 4 for the same price as one regular[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: 4 void sims have the same cost as one[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but you must buy 4[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: I see[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: what is the cost of moving?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: and the total prim limit = total for one sim[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: everything about them is 4 to 1[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: interesting.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ahh.... moving[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: there is a one time charge[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: but there's a question of timing and sequence here. surely it's cheaper to move now than do it when we have four or more sims to move[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: i don't feel a one toime charge is significant to our planning[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: no, I disagree[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: since right now we don't know how we will expand beyond 2[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: when we have a master plan...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: then we cvan start moving them together[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: I feel[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: it would be better for a sense of unity if we were toughter[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: perhaps[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami opens the map[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: thats one down side to separation[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: the Building Coimmittee cannot see how we will join the two sims[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: it is quite simple[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we can put CN to the west of nstadt with a gap in between[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we could[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but... eventually we will move[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: it we are apart it would be so easy for the 2 sims to spilt[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we can then fil the gap with a void sim (and put four more in diffeent places)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: *three more[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, these are the Building Comm agenda[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: and still add in two or more 'city' sims like CN and NFS[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we should include Moon in this discussion[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: so we have a few items to discus with the Buildign group[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: :)[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: we should organise a joint meeting. i'll talk to moon about it[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: At what point, that is how many sims would we need before we considered a void package.[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: can we provide costings to the Sim Planning Committee tomorow?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, each additinal sim we own spreads the cost of a void sim pak more easily[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkRed:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Ranma Tardis[/b:1wkrixz7]: Caledon has 6 and they still dont have any[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: yes[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: but i think we will have some before too long[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: makes more sense to put in 4/5 regular sims and then fill in the gaps with void sims. but u need a master plan first[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: maybe... after we have 4 sims...[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: adding a void sim pak would make sense[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: and yes, if there is a master plan[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: i want to wrap up within five mins[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami[/b:1wkrixz7]: is there a volunteer to produce some costings for SPC tomorrow?[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle would not know where to start really..[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: well, I can do the transition budgetr... if I get building estaimates[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=DarkSlateGray:1wkrixz7][i:1wkrixz7]Patroklus Murakami can do it at a pinch[/i:1wkrixz7][/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Navy:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Jon Seattle[/b:1wkrixz7]: Moon may be back online late.. not sure[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: ok[/color:1wkrixz7]
[color=Indigo:1wkrixz7][b:1wkrixz7]Sudane Erato[/b:1wkrixz7]: we'll leave that open[/color:1wkrixz7]

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[color=DarkSlateGray:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2kjquc3x]: the kind of thing i think is needed is - options on adding sims, moving etc. just those raw costs. shall i do that?[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Indigo:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Sudane Erato[/b:2kjquc3x]: really, Claude's budget... offered some months ago..[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Indigo:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Sudane Erato[/b:2kjquc3x]: sure![/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2kjquc3x]: k, we're done[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Indigo:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Sudane Erato[/b:2kjquc3x]: :))[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Indigo:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Sudane Erato[/b:2kjquc3x]: bravo![/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=DarkRed:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Ranma Tardis[/b:2kjquc3x]: :)[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2kjquc3x]: i'll post a transcript later[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Navy:2kjquc3x][i:2kjquc3x]Jon Seattle smiles[/i:2kjquc3x][/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Indigo:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Sudane Erato[/b:2kjquc3x]: only 5 min late :)[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2kjquc3x]: hehe[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=DarkSlateGray:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Patroklus Murakami[/b:2kjquc3x]: see most of u tomorrow then :)[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Indigo:2kjquc3x][b:2kjquc3x]Sudane Erato[/b:2kjquc3x]: yes :)[/color:2kjquc3x]
[color=Olive:2kjquc3x][i:2kjquc3x]The meeting closed at 13:6 Linden time.[/i:2kjquc3x][/color:2kjquc3x]

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